Do you personally prefer JRPGs or WRPGs, and why?
>>738439413Jrpgs cause modern wrpgs are trash
>>738439413I grew up playing JRPGs but I tried getting into WRPGs recently. I think the reliance on savescumming is an absolute filter if you played Final Fantasy Tactics growing up.
WRPG because i like to play more than 1 type of game
>>738439413WRPGs, they're better written and less linear. I don't dislike JRPGs but they're clearly written for children.
>>738439413both but I prefer JRPG for action combat (Tales, Star Ocean, Nier Automata, Mana series), and WRPG for turn based (Divinity OS, BG3, and even some RTWP games like Dragon Age Origins, where it really paid off to play the game tactically.)I know, kind of the opposite of what they're known for and do more of. JRPG's are more known for turn based systems but I find turn based JRPG's too simple and boring.Turn based WRPG's are far more tactical when it comes to combat, it takes a certain level of combat nuance and depth and utilizing terrain and positioning to make it WORTH slowing down gameplay to be turn based.but with action RPG's, WRPG's are often clunky and basic for combat, mostly using a first person or 3rd person shooter style, or a rougelite diablo clone top down view. JRPGs with action combat systems are more fluid to play.
>>738439413The worst WRPG >>>>>>>> The best JRPG
>>738439413WRPGs because thats what I mostly played growing up.
>>738439413JRPGs. WRPGs often try to emulate tabletop games, JRPGs just say fuck it and make games where you go around killing shit.
>>738439413This is like asking if you prefer Berserk over Boruto
>>738439413JRPGs. Even outside of gameplay and aesthetics, WRPGs are all about telling "your story", which I don't find interesting approach at all. It's more about sidequests along the way and fucking around, it feels unfocused. I feel like I'm playing in a sandbox and I never actually feel like I'm experiencing a story. Just doesn't do it for me.
>>738439718WRPGs I played this year:Xcom 2 War of the ChosenJagged Alliance 3Diablo 2 ResurrectedGrim DawnTitan Quest 2They were all very good yes. The ARPGs are like bloody musous which I enjoy more than a musou, and the tactics games are way complex and require savescumming.I'm pretty much like this poster though >>738439967 I love the Mana series and Elden Ring way more than Diablotl;dr - holy shit two cakes, or something
My favorite RPG series is a JRPG so that. On the other hand WRPGs are still fun, I just wish they'd be less bogged down with text. Icewind Dale was nice in which you jumped into the hub and then delved into a long dungeon and repeat. I want to build my characters, explore, and battle as well, and too much reading throws off the balance.
>>738440391boruto is better. berserk is cringy misery porn
>>738439413What's the JRPG equivalent of OP's Image?
>>738440558>berserk is cringy misery pornt. didn't read it past Millennium Falcon Arc
>>738440539yeah I still like Diablo and other Rougelites for just kinda mindless click frenzies but if given a choice between that and trials of mana remake, I'm going with trials.
>>738439413JRPGs when I just want to turn off my brainWRPGs when I want to use my brain
>>738440672>it gets good 100000 pages in
>>738439413Wrpgs only because Fallout 1/2/NV are some of my favorite games of all time
I really dislike wrpgs. I think it's the people that make them.
>>738439413I like the freedom of WRPGs but I like the aesthetics of JRPGs. If only we could have both. Sigh...
>>738440761>it gets good 100000 pages inAll if it's good, I'm just pointing out that it's not all "misery porn"
>>738440856>it stops being misery porn after 200 pages of abuse and torture
>>738439413wrpgs. They have more gameplay and setting variety.
>>738440904The misery porn serves to make the happy moments all the more sweeter, normies wouldn't get it.
I'd say that WRPGs and JRPGs are great examples in how western game dev had different values from japanese game dev. Like others have said ITT WRPGs (really CRPGs) tend to have much greater depth in their mechanics and player choice, which I think is because western game development used to be synonymous with PC game development. These were games for enthusiasts first who could handle the complexity. JRPGs were always console games first and foremost. They had to be simpler by necessity, though there are advantages to this. The best JRPGs tend to have very elegant game mechanics that are easy to intuit. They're accessible in a good way, where the simple act of playing them is enjoyable (whereas CRPGs can at times feel more like you're *operating* them). All that to say that I generally prefer the top end of CRPGs to JRPGs, but the average JRPG is better than the average CRPG.
>>738441149smash your balls with a hammer so that you enjoy reading this post more
>>738439413WRPGs.>why?You can't do picrel in JRPGs
>>738441523I should really play this game
>>738441523>supposed to sneak something into a locker>owner of locker catches you>you kill himi don't get why you posted this
>>738441523This exactly. The only Jrpg that comes close to this is Black Souls, a game made for pedo trannies
>>738441659>I should really play this gameYou should. I recommend going Tremere for a first playthrough.>>738441872>i don't get why you posted thisTry reading, though I realize that's difficult for JRPGfags, lol>>738441921>Black SoulsNever played it but I saw a few webms. It just looks like any other Fear&Hunger-like you'd see on F95
>>738439413>do you prefer VNs where you play retard-chess>or actual RPGsgee dunno man, hard question to answer
>>738439413I like CRPGs until the late 90s where they became homoerotic point n clicks with less gameplay
>>738442791>do you prefer VNs where you play retard-chess>or actual RPGsWRPG fags btfo
>>738443176>I like CRPGs until the late 90s where they became homoerotic point n clicksDidn't happen
>>738443264Fallout and Baldurs Gate
>>738442791Which is which?
>>738439413The median WRPG shits on the median JRPG but really good jrpgs contend with the best wrpgs
WRPGs have UI that looks like reading ancient texts, even the modern ones.Not every JRPGs have good UI though.And I'd consider play a WRPG than Sea of Stars/Octopath Traveller
>>738439413Western rpgs usually had better build autism but worse waifus, so there was balance and a reason to play both.But since the JRPGS now suck wokie cock and ruin their LIs with it too, why bother with them anymore? Chink or korean RPGs when?
>>738439413Not a single good game was ever made in Asia. Ping pongs are incapable of writing or designing gameplay
>>738439413
>>738445041E33 saved JRPGs
>>738445271JRPGfags never recovered from this image
>>738439413>most posts that prefer JRPGs, at minimum, do not trying to say WRPGs as a whole are trash>posts in the middle communicate their preferences and pros and cons of each genre in a satisfying manner>most posts that prefer WRPGs focus more on how much they hate JRPGs than about the genre they supposedly likestrange
>>738439413I hate all rpgs
>>738445754>most posts that prefer WRPGs focus more on how much they hate JRPGs than about the genre they supposedly likeliterally the fp >>738439662 is shitting on WRPGs, dishonest weeb faggot
>>738439413Both are terrible at the moment, assuming all games across time are included WRPGs. It’s fun to build your own character. The flat same face anime slop art style most JRPGs have and childish character mannerisms and writing do not engage me as an adult.
>>738446351>wrpgbro derangement syndrome that has gone on for two decades in a row vs 1 "wrpgs suck" post nowYou can count that and it wouldn't be dishonest.
>>738439413Both, I just like RPGs in general.
>>738439413WRPG if you only count the games made up to 2010
>>738439413JRPG's tend to have better paced combat which is truly shocking to say. WRPG's are even more slow and cumbersome.
Is this...an East vs West thread?! It is, isn't it. This isn't good OP, you made a thread that will inevitably give way to shitflinging and reductive arguments.
>>738443341>FalloutRetard. There's zero homosexuality in the original Fallout. They didn't become point and clicks either.
>>738439413I prefer jrpgs because WRPGs are ugly and they are pretty much all gay sex simulators.
>>738439413>j"""rpg""""lmao nice joke
jrpgs are just unmatched. it's delusional to even compare the two. it's like asking which do you prefer, comic books or manga. there's just too big of a gulf in terms of conveying a particular vision with one vs. the other. WRPGs are just shallow toys to kill time with. JRPGs are a true investment of your mind and soul.
>>738439413I play both and prefers CRPGs. JRPGs are fun, but they are pretty monotonous at times. I appreciate those that try to vary things up a bit though.
>>738439413CRPGs
>>738448898It's a casual point n click for brain dead retards that think Monkey Island is too arcadey
Baldur's Gate 2 is a JRPG. There I said it.
>>738439413Used to prefer WRPGs but barely any get made nowadays.
>>738439413This >>738449169 but technically crpgs are wrpgs so I choose that
>>738449234uh oh the biowarexissies are not gonna like this one......
>>738439413I prefer dungeon crawlers.It's a combination of the first-person method, which makes walking around an area more immersive and interesting to explore than a top-down view, and the tile-based movement helped keep direction and orientation sensible. Someone might say that a 3D free movement would be more immersive, but honestly it feels more like senselessly flopping around most of the time and that's more immersive-breaking in my case. At least with the tile based movement, I can have a sense of properly retracing my steps in an area and being sure if one particular square is where I need to be or not.The party management tends to be better in dungeon crawlers as well, since it typically involves a larger party of more specialized roles. The last of character personality probably helps a bit, ironically. When you bring a thief along to open treasure chests or bring a wizard along to nuke enemies and they don't do anything 90% of the time in combat, it's fine. But when you have a cast of characters and some characters just never do anything in a fight, in part because there are none of those specialized roles, everybody just turns into different flavors of dealing damage.Not every DRPG has a large party, but they tend to handle larger parties a lot better than other genres.As for W vs J, western DRPGs tend to focus more on the environment and difficult fights, making exploring more interesting. Japanese DRPGs tend to focus more on characters and the ongoing plot, turning the map navigation a lot more trivial and the fights into standard grinding. It makes the WRPGs a lot more interesting to play, so WDRPG > JDRPG. There are exceptions, but that's pretty typical.
>>738439662meanwhile ALL jrpg are trash
>>738439413"Liking WRPGs" as an option implies WRPGs still exist beyond glorified WEGs.This assumption is incorrect.
>>738450626No.
>>738439413Too many WRPGs are poisoned with irony, edginess and insincerity, while too many JRPGs are poisoned with twee anime bullshit.
>>738451361Last 5 RPGs you've played. NOW.
>>738439413For me its krpgs but I like old jrpgs too
>>738448785It's not east v west, it's nerds v geeks.
>>738451361You could've just said "I don't like either" instead of spewing that pretentious bullshit.
>>738439413I recently beat Fallout 1 for the first time and I really liked it so maybe wrpgs, but I don't play rpgs that much.
>>738439413JRPGs because good JRPGs are all about the application of mechanics versus WRPGs which are about availability and variety of mechanics. The number of WRPGs with good application are countable on one hand. I.e., JRPGs can have good boss fights, WRPGs almost never have good boss fights.
I can’t think of many acclaimed wrpgs besides bethesda shit
>>738452380Bethesda makes the worst wrpgs
>>738439413Final bosses in alone make prefer JRPGs.
>>738452380I don't even need to ask, you don't play RPGs of any kind.>>738452337Last 5 RPGs you've played. NOW.
>>738439413WRPG because I like character creation/builds autism
>>738452637Quit gatekeeping so hard you autistic fucking retard holy shit bro this is why you don't have any friends
>>738452924Do you just speak out of your ass and seriously expect people to just blindly agree? Post the last 5 RPGs you've played or FUCK OFF little RAT.
>>738453059Kek
>>738439413i have a hard time actually finishing wrpgs i am more likely to beat a jrpg
>>738441358This is very accurate
>>738439413WRPG > JRPGSJRPGS are so uninspired and just release the exact same shit for 40 years. I'm so sick of the same plotlines about how you are the chosen one and have amnesia and a plot about the ending of the world. As well as the same shitty uninspired generic medieval fantasy world with characters which are all just generic anime tropes that are easily forgetable. And the same turn your brain off hack and slash or turn based combat in every game is so repetitive especially when the same series does it over and over again. There are a few JRPG gems that stand out from the rest but no where as many as WRPG gems.
>>738439413There're a whole lot of crpgs in your wrpg image. I like where wrpgs have come to now with the souls games on one hand and the more exploration focused open world rpgs as another route for the subgenre but I also like a good tightly focused 4 nigga in a row game like persona 4 and other jrpgs.
>>738445271>morrowind>complex
>>738453818Last 5 JRPGs you've played. NOW. >>738453919There's literally zero point or sense in seperating CRPG from WRPG
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>>738451361This, I was enjoying WOTR but holy shit that fox bitch was beyond cringe. Jrpgs are morr sincere but at the cost of natural cringe
>>738454239dragons dogma 2tales of beseriadrakenguardcatherineyakuza 0I liked catherine and dragons dogma 2 and disliked the rest
>>738448695Codexers have more autism then anyone on this site could ever hope to
>>738451361people think that cringe in WRPGS is a new thing but don't realize how much cringe is in older WRPG's like fallout 2
I just want you guys to know, that the Lilura discord server is just ass kissing.>can't even post external links other than Lilura's bloglamao
>>738448695he is right doe
>>738454239>There's literally zero point or sense in seperating CRPG from WRPGIf someone told you they really liked Skyrim and wanted to play a game that's just like it would you actually be comfortable recommending baldur's gate 2 or Wizardry 3 to them? If someone said to you they loved Elden Ring and wanted something in the same subgenre would you poin them at Tactics Ogre or Ray Gigant?There is no value in grouping games based on where they are developed. There is value in coming up with a subgenre name that points at what devs from the same region are all doing at the time you name the subgenre, like jrpgs are 4 niggas in a row and wrpgs are third person rpgs where if you press a button you watch your character swing their weapon or cast a spell and if it hits your enemy it damages them, like gothic and TES and, nowadays, Dark Souls.
>>738439413I think wrpg design is capable of being better than the formulaic jrpg formula.But westoid devs are incapable of making a decent one or tell a compelling story, so jrpg it is.
>>738439413JRPG combat appeals to me more. Tales of, Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profile, Xenogears, etc.WRPG like Dark Souls, Fallout, Witcher, Baldur's Gate, Elder's Scrolls are all mind hazardly boring, slow and easy. You could argue that BG3 on hard is hard but that is not because of player skill or even enemy intelligence.
>>738439413WRPGs are better for permadeath runs.
>>738439413I like both, but I prefer JRPGs on the whole. Some WRPGs are extremely good, but I find the mid tier of WRPG to be worse than the mid tier of JRPGs by a solid order of magnitude
CRPGs because I don't care about story, I just want to do autistic minmaxed builds in systems with a lot of freedom to do that. JRPGs tend to make their story far less skippable and to have less depth to their systems on average.
>>738451361Getting really exhausted with zoomshits whining about sincerity when their entire existence is based on layers of meta and irony.
>>738439413West cant make good gameplay but has cool settingJaps has boring setting but make good gameplay i prefer western rpgs made by Japs
>>738441006>Bitch basic combat system with bazillion dialogue checksNice gameplay
>>738439413WRPGs when they're good.JRPGs have been bad for a very long time. There's only so many anime girls-destroy-the-evil-empire one can stand. They have no individuality, no story, no point most of the time. They're products, like cheeseburgers, made to be consumed. WRPGs, more often than not, are experiences. You play a WRPG and you remember it, one way or another, because they're all unique.
>>738454576>But westoid devs are incapable of making a decent one or tell a compelling story,Western devs are very good at crafting worlds. They just have this awful tendency to put too many cooks in the kitchen when it comes to the story. You can hire a room full of writers, but for fuck sake ONE PERSON needs to be in charge of the entire plot. It needs to follow their vision, and the other writers hired on need to help fulfill that vision. Not supplant it with ideas of their own.This was the big problem with BG3. Act One and Act Two were written with laser precision. Then Act Three began and you can immediately tell where whoever was in charge lost control of the kittens. The story went everywhere and contradicted itself.
>>738454360>Catherine, Yakuza 0>rpglolwut?As for the others, none of them are anything like how you described in your first post; I don't see how you could walk away from Drakenguard or Beseria and think of them as generic or uninspired fantasy worlds or think that their plots are generic. Dragon's Dogma leans on more classical fantasy tropes because the series is directly inspired by Dungeons and Dragons it's plot and mythos isn't similar to anything else however, especially in regards to how it treats the concept of a chosen hero. >>738454560See, your point is reasonable up until you posted>There is value in coming up with a subgenre name that points at what devs from the same region are all doing at the time you name the subgenreFirstly, we don't live in disconnected bubbles especially not in the internet age where we can play and recieve news of games in foreign countries. This is even more noticeable because developers are open about being influenced by and playing games from different countries like how many Jap devs were inspired by Ultima 3 or how many european devs are inspired by Final Fantasy.Secondly, using a regional descriptor to name a very specific style of gameplay that isn't unique to or created in said reigion is weird especially with how you're using it to call Dark Souls a wrpg just because it has action combat even though the earliest action rpgs are from Japan(i.e. Xanadu) and the earliest turn based 4 niggas in a row games is American.
>>738454331Zoomies are NPCs that think themselves individuals. It's bizarre. Don't even deny it zoomers. The moment anything happens in the world, you run to your favorite streamer and adopt what they say about it. You're afraid to have opinions of your own because you're afraid of scrutiny and being criticized.
>>738439413WRPGs because they're actual ROLE PLAYING GAMES while JRPGs are all perfectly linear in their plot and their characters and you are just along for the ride. Which isn't even a bad thing, but JRPGs are just pure action games, not RPGs. They're also almost all absolute dogshit due to being written even worse than bad anime and typically having pisspoor gameplay that is either turnslop menucringe or trying to perfunctorily check WAY too many boxes instead of doing anything particularly well.
>>738439413I prefer the aesthetics of WRPGS to anime aesthetics and tropes but modern WRPGs tend to suck pretty hard. All modern CRPGs seem to be written by massive faggots who can't write compelling plots or have dull characters.
>>738439967>Nier AutomataNot a JRPG.
all troon weeb shit should be perma ban
>>738455486> and typically having pisspoor gameplay trails games have better combat than pretty much any modern CRPG.
>>738455486Most wrpgs are very limited and only give you few choices via dialogue but jrpgs(not those turnbased slop) give a lot of role play option via gameplay
>>738455651>jrpgs(not those turnbased slop) give a lot of role play option via gameplayAny game recommendations for this?
>>738448695That's lilura isn't it
>>738455486>due to being written even worse than bad anime most WRPG writing these days is so dull that if it was an anime nobody would watch it. Pillars of Eternity is just a giant snoozefest. At least JRPGs generally succeed in investing me in the characters and what's going on even if there's cringe weeb shit mixed in.
>>738455536WRPGs have dull character plots because female writers think personal problems are super compelling rather than speedbump bullshit.>I just want to be ACCEPTED BAWWWWWWWW^This isn't a good story idea. This is high school-tier, which is where most female writers remain their whole careers. The funny thing is you could easily fix this to make it compelling, but women writers don't want to go that extra step. They just want their sad scene, and a hug with tears, and then happy resolution afterward. Veilguard is a prime example of this.If you want to write a compelling "I just want to be accepted" character, do it with this one simple trick: Don't ever make them fucking accepted. You don't want a resolution in the world, you want a resolution with your audience. Guts from Berserk is a prime example of this. You are sympathetic because you just know he's not going to win in the end.
>>738439413Definitely WRPGs.Better combat system and story.JRPGs are cool if you're a high schooler I guess.
>>738455080>jrpg>the advanced combat system of having the same flashy anime attack that can 2-shot god after you grind evil mushrooms for 1 million hours at mount turnip>no dialogue check except hour long cutscenes with anime tier twists and quips
>>738439413Maybe JRPGs because WRPGs have been mid-bad for quite a while now but my all time favorite RPGs overall are WRPGs.
>>738441921>Black Soulswait, I'm a fan of itwhat does that mean
>>738455821Dragon's dogma 1 and 2Monster hunterVanillaware games
>>738455920>because female writers think personal problems are super compelling rather than speedbump bullshit.it's way more than that. When you have modern SJW writers they just seem incapable of making something actually cool instead of lame and gay, even when it's a dude writing. If they're a shitlib you know it will be the most dull shit imaginable with characters you are either indifferent to or hate when the devs clearly want you to like them.
I preffered WRPG before they became extremely influenced by JRPGs (specifically FF).If you notice they are all character and party focused. Before that, you basically had to create the party by scratch and they didn't have any specific quests. This is also when they started adding romance.After that wrpgs evolved into basically multiple choice tests giving an illusion of choice but often just making the dialog nonoptional and a chore to experience.I'll admit I do like JRPGs and was at first very accepting of these changes to WRPGs, but now I find WRPGs just dreadful or play.So, I prefer older WRPGs before FF7, but would generally say I'm more interested in playing JRPG if it's something more modern.I'll admit I mostly avoid both anymore in favor of ARPGs.
>>738455965>>738455921Jrpgs=/=4 niggas in rowThose are called turn based rpgs
>jrpg>Wrpg>Arpg>Crpg>Gayrpg
>>738439413>Likes WRPGHow to identify the anime boobs hating troon
JRPGs are like playing a fantasy anime that spins its wheels and has some filler arcs while WRPGs are like going along with a self-congratulatory dungeon master whos so impressed with himself and the campaign with campy lore he designed that its hard to get into the role
>>738439413I really like RPGs. Jrpgs are good for an occasional game or two but a lot of them are just too similar.
Name 5 good wrpgsHardmode: no dialogue check simulator
>>738456740Wizardry 1 to 5
>>738439413>WRPGssometimes good combat>JRPGsnever good combat
any wrpg recommendations for a jrpig? Preferably turn based and open-ended
why are all wrpgs ugly
This is easily the worst and laziest thread template ever spammed on /v/
>>738456225The key to writing anything is self-awareness. If you aren't aware of your own failings and virtues, you're not going to be able to write a character with real failings and virtues. SJWs think they're perfect, so this is going to be a problem for them. Hence why they just manifest themselves on a page. Le Quirky Guy and GirlBoss are repulsive archetypes in real life, and likewise repulsive in games. But that's what they are, and so that's what they'll write. The stoic and capable man with a dash of humor to him will always be a vastly more effective character than some quip-spewing fag fighting for modern globalist neoliberal politics in an out-of-place setting. Why? Because you can always tell the latter is the writer self-inserting. The reason James Bond is an effective character is because the author who came up with James Bond was not, in any way, James Bond. The reason modern Star Wars shows suck ass (I can't even think of a character name) is because they're all self-inserts.Homeworld 3 was utterly ruined by a woman doing female empowerment slop writing, because that's her world, that's all she's capable of understanding, and stepping outside of herself to make a compelling scifi was beyond her ability to do. That requires self-awareness, and the realization/acceptance no one else would be interested in those ideas. Especially with an established property. So she just shoved herself into the game and gave you a lecture. Then HW3 bombed and killed the franchise.tl;dr Western writing in games is easily fixable. It just requires fewer writers in the writing room and people without pink hair.
>>738457275Arcanum if you can handle the jank
>>738456229>I'll admit I mostly avoid both anymore in favor of ARPGs.This is probably why they are all chasing action combat, but to me ARPGs are solo affairs like Diablo-likes and Souls."rpg" has too many sub-genres that are completely incompatible and the genre makes no sense anymore.
>>738456740Colony ShipFalloutExpeditions: ConquistadorAvernum 3System Shock 2
>>738457908RPG barely makes sense as a genre, so it's not too surprising that all the subgenres are pretty vague and blend together. This is especially true when people take a vague term like "action" and only a specific understanding of what a RPG is, and put them together in their own definition of ARPG.
>>738457275GeneforgeAvernum 1DOS2Crystal ProjectWartalesBard's Tale 4Voidspire TacticsHorizon's GateEve of Calamity
WRPG because i don't care for teenagers in storiesOnly JRPG i like is like a dragon because it's 40 year old Uncs looking for job
>>738439413>tfw played the majority of the games in picrelfinally a thread on /v/ i can actually relate to
What are some good W/J/CRPGs with a good and/or satisfying evil path? NWN2 MOTB has to be my top pick so far but I need more to scratch that specific itch.
>>738439413Isn't it obvious?
>>738460175WOTR(demon, lich mythic path)TyrannySoul Nomad
>posted it again in the same thread award
>>738460175Fallout 3
>>738460175Arcanum and Temple of Elemental Evil have well-made Evil paths. Expeditions: Conquistador allows you to slaughter natives and backstab people for fun and profit. The original Fallout doesn't really have an explicitly evil route, but you can be a real selfish bastard in that game and be rewarded for it, same with The Age of Decadence and Colony Ship. I've only played a bit of it, but Lands of Lore 2 has some pretty great evil choices; not sure if there's actually a full blown evil path or not though. On the J side, Der Langrisser is great, and Legend of Cao Cao has a "Hero" and "Villain" route, though I wouldn't really call the Villain route evil to be honest.
I only support jrpgs if i can turn around and beat the stuffing out of ant obnoxious npc or character in my party. Like if i was playing xenoblade 2 and i was allowed to bash mythras face in with a pipe wrench.
>>738455554it's an action RPG.the kind Japan is actually good at.they suck ass at turn based.
>>738439413WRPG cause I'm a sucker for great CRPGs
>>738456740HitmanXcomCivilization 5Expedition 33God of war
>>738439413I like both of them for different reasons
>>738456740Divinity Original Sin (and its sequel)the Baldur's Gate seriesthe Mass Effect TrilogyKnights of the Old RepublicDeus Ex and HRDiablo and Diablo 2, even Diablo 3 was okay once its expansion came in and fixed the shit that was wrong with the base game.the Elder Scrolls 3, 4, and 5the Witcher seriesSome people may claim some of these are not RPG's but all of them feature character skills separated from player skill which is what is the basis of an RPG, that your character is has its own skillset that you can develop, whether that's attribute points or skill trees that you have to invest in, and all of them have progressing levels through experience.
>>738464170well I guess Deus Ex isn't really levels
>>738456798You seem to have accidentally included 4 in your list.
JRPGs, because they actually have gameplay.
>>738464170Why exclude Kotor 2?
>>738455382>Firstly, we don't live in disconnected bubbles especially not in the internet age where we can play and recieve news of games in foreign countries.You do live in a world where jrpg was created to describe rpgs like FF and DQ though. Just because you weren't around at the time doesn't mean that jrpg doesn't mean what it means. All someone who wasn't involved has to do is learn what the term was intended to mean and things the devs in that region or devs in other regions have done since doesn't go back in time and change how shit was in the 80s.
>>738460470>>738460470So much of this. Gooks suicide rates should highlight they are not mentally sane so everything they make also isn't mentally sane and doesn't bring much to the table intelectually since only pathetic whinny losers kill themselves while western culture has produced nothing but intellectual discussions and ideas which makes you think constantly about life and it's meaning. You have literal mortal gods on earth as devs right now in wrpg
>>738464629cause it was fanfic tier wankery.>muh wound in the force>I-I'm gonna KILL the force!>muh grey Jedi are simultaneously using light side and dark side headcanon wankJolee was a real grey Jedi. a good Jedi who disagreed with Jedi law and went his own way, but was never using the Dark Side.Revan in 1 was a Jedi who fell to the Dark Side and then got redeemed. different from "I use both light and dark side without being corrupted because I'm a Mary Sue"
>>738456740Oblivion Witcher Dark Souls Dark Souls 2Gothic 2
>>738465005Dark Souls isn't western at all. It's Japanese.
>>738461441Then pick CRPG as your answer, they're not the same thing.
>>738460470But enough about every RPG with romance discussions
>>738464629A game can't be great if it literally doesn't have an ending. Endings are important parts of a game and completely lacking one takes some points off.
>>738465052So what? WRPGs are not RPGs made in the West. They are RPGs in the style of those made by Western devs whose games were different enough from CRPGs which had long been a RPG subgenre in that they were third-person RPGs usually with large maps or open worlds in which when you pressed a button your character swung their weapon or cast a spell and enemies would be damaged if you struck them. Anyone can make a game like this, it simply happens that they originated with Western developers.
>>738465120technically any RPG played over a computer is a CRPG.
>>738465459action RPG's aren't exclusive to the west as turn based RPG's aren't exclusive to Japan.I hate that definition because Japan makes some of the best real time combat RPG's and the west makes the best turn based combat RPG's.
>>738465503No, stop taking genre names literally. CRPG refers to a specific type of computer roleplaying game. Genres and subgenres are used to group similar games together for talking about and finding them. Being on a computer is too broad to have any meaning in grouping something, being a usually isometric rpg in which combat is determined by giving your character or party commands which plays out usually in real time is specific enough that any two games that do this will feel like each other to an extent that you could compare them apples to apples or recommend one to someone who liked the other.
>>738465612Did you read the part of my post in which I said >in the style of those made by Western devsand>anyone can make a game like thisand come to the conclusion that these games must be exclusive to the West for real?
>>738465612my bad, I'm retarded.
>>738465871well the only real differences that are consistent is where they're made reallyOtherwise people will say Tales of Symphonia is a JRPG, Persona 3 is a JRPG, Final Fantasy VII is a JRPG, Final Fantasy XV is a JRPG and the only thing in common between those is they're made in Japan.when I see a question like OP's I don't read "which style of RPG is better" but rather "which region makes the best RPG's"
>>738459748Very based
there's no real distinction between JRPG and WRPG anymore. WRPGs basically completely adopted the JRPG. Todd Howard even talked about why he likes wrpgs like 15 years ago and you can see from that talk how wrpgs adopted jrpgs in all but name. they're super out their now in the fantasy
>>738466751yeah, basically.Japan based many of their early RPG's on Wizardry and Ultima. Western RPG's. People stereotype JRPG's as being only the ultima and wizardry clones, but even in the late 80's and early 90's Japan was making action RPG's too.even Zelda 2 could be considered an action RPG.
>>738439413WRPGs don't have better writing at all. They have better prose and dialogue because it wasn't made in the east, but their plotbeats and themes aren't as good nor as multilayered as JRPGs. It is just the hero's journey played entirely straight with you doing fetch quests.
>>738464701it was used to describe japanese role-playing games in general regardless of whether or not they were turn-based or action because their presentation was different to the western games, especially in terms of setting and stories. That's literally it.
>>738439413JRPGS with turn-based combat >>>>> WRPG with real-time with pause >>>>> toaster pc MMORPG >>>>> action slop (any)Fuck you action gamers! I will never be gay!
>>738439413WRPGs, but only because I have barely played any jrpgs. And the ones I used were okay, but I feel like they lack depth. games like ff7 or chrono trigger had phenomenal art and music design, but the gameplay allows for very little customisation and constantly feels like it was designed with 8-10 year olds in mind.
>>738469171>what anon didn't realize at this moment is that he was, in fact, already gay
>for gameplayAction JRPGs>for actual role-playing mechanicsWRPGs>for when I want to play a visual novel with extra stepsTurn-based JRPGs
jrpgs because I'm not a tourist
>>738439413WRPGs because they have better roleplaying and more character build stuff
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>>738439662So true, xister!
I never played any JRPGs before and I kinda don't like the combat in them from the look of it despite loving turn based tactic games in general am I missing anything?also I'm currently playing kotor for the first, not a star wars fan but it's really fun, but I wish the aliens spoke English instead, it's kinda annoying
>>738467828Nigga it was used to differentiate DW and FF from Wizardry.
>>738439413Jrpgs easily. Wrpgs can be okay sometimes as well though. I find it funny for all of the praise “deep dark mature” wrpgs rated M are like the E-T rated content of JRPGs
>>738470120I dunno what you should play for your first jrpg after you finish kotor. I would say Persona 4 Golden because that got me back into the genre after over a decade not paying attention but it's an 80 hour game and I'm not sure of good options for entry level games that aren't 40 years old.
>>738469171but you already said menuslop japanese games are the best when western games do better turn basedthat already indicates taking dudes up the ass rawdog
>>738469434Same
>>738470120Depends on what you're looking for to be desu with you, if you want actual tactical games try out titles like Final Fantasy Tactics, Tactics Ogre, the Disgaea series(ignore 6 and 7) or Triangle Strategy(or Unicorn Overlord if you have a switch)If you don't mind simple dungeon crawlers/exploration focused stuff with a narrative that's more in your face play games like Dragon Quest, Persona 3-5, Octopath 1. For Action games, play stuff like Nier Automata, .//Hack or the Tales of Series. Final Fantasy Origin: Stranger of Paradise if you want something genuine but cheesyIf you want more gameplay focused dungeon crawlers play games like Etrian Odyssesy, SMT, Elminage series, Labyrinth of Refrain, Undernauts. >>738470441No it wasn't especially not in DQ's case since the game is directly influenced by Wizardry, this is the reason why the earlier DQ games had first person combat. The overworld of DQ was inspired by Ultima 3
>>738467132>hrrrmmgmg roach lets review the quest >help the sassy mouthy wench>or the vile rapist who beat her after their exchange>morally gray gotta be>swaaaaaaaHYAAAA>toucan Sam
>>738471237Bravo Avellone
I like the aesthetics of Western fantasy in media like films, paintings, books, etc. but for some reason Western RPGs dont attract me like Japanese RPGs game wise. I don't know why. I don't want to hate on them, it's just not quite what I want in a game maybe? Maybe it's a bit too off in art or janky in the style or gameplay? Again, I don't know what it is.
>>738469171Why do jRPGfaggots pretend that their turn based combat is somehow good? It's absurdly dumbed down and casual, devoid of any actual positioning, level design and tactics in general. It's utterly embarrassing to read. It's on the level of mobile games or Darkest Dungeon
>>738467132>better prose and dialogue Not really. I myself skipping through the generic dialogue and cutscenes in western games way more often than the times in rewatching the jrpg interactions and cutscenes which are more entertaining and engaging. But that’s just western games in general. Like recently replaying through the Arkham games I just wanted Bruce to shut the fuck up with his stupid nonsense so I could go back to flying around the city
>JRPGnot that interested in teens killing god with a linear story of character drama and general melodrama>WRPGroam in an open world where Gay McFuckFace has a gay romance with Body Type 1 / A (my pronouns are gay/fag) with character drama in the party and general dumb story.You see JRPGs are adopting the disgusting WRPG approach now, which I find hilarious.Needless to say, these genres are terrible and I wish I never poked my nose in either.
>here's a multiple choice test for you through out the game and we'll grade you with ending slides based on how you did
>>738472000>not that interested in teens killing god with a linear story of character drama and general melodramaname 5 games
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>>738472000>roam in an open world where Gay McFuckFace has a gay romance with Body Type 1 / A (my pronouns are gay/fag) with character drama in the party and general dumb storyName 5 games.
>>738439413Hard to say. I find mechanics in wrpgs more important, but characters more important in jrpgs. My enjoyment of wrpgs can also vary more so while I'm more consistently going to like jrpgs there are more wrpgs that I really like as well as ones I really dislike. Wrpgs tend to be more tedious with subgenres like crpgs which can be really good, but also laborious with inventory management and fights that take too long.
>>738472000It's okay, we can't all have the correct opinions all of the time. You'll elevate yourself one day.
>>738472000Where did this killing god meme come from?
>>738475595final bosses of JRPG's tend to be some God like being.especially earlier on, in FF6 and FF7 they're humans who attain God like power and status is where it really took off in people's minds though.but like, Lufia, that series the enemies are evil gods. Breath of Fire, same. In fact the first game I can remember having the trope that the Church is Evil and God is the main enemy is Breath of Fire 2. Which has an evil death God sealed beneath the surface by the Dragon Clans and the Evil God basically telepathically convinces people on the surface to make a Church for him and pray to him to give him strength.
>>738475595>>738475882asked AI and they said the first Shin Megami Tensei is the first game to explicitly have "God" as the source of all the world's evils but it stems out of an earlier cultural thing in Japan where the Japanese considered foreign religions as a source of problems, thinking Buddhism and Christianity threatened the control of the government.
>>738439413I used to prefer WRPGs because the Japanese are devils that live on Earth and all of their works are for the destruction of human society and decency, but the last few years I decided fuck society and I've been playing old JRPGs I missed over the decades and they've been pretty alright. I do still prefer WRPGs since I have more fun in sandboxes or at least non-linear stories, but JRPGs scratch the itch of bashing monsters and managing my party better than most modern WRPGs now so it's nice to flip back and forth between the two
>>738476596It’s a shame because I believe that only games where deicide is a fundamental theme of the plot like the Xeno series should have a final boss like that, instead in many JRPGs it has become a somewhat lazy cliché to give a sense of epicness where maybe god just becomes synonymous with "big final boss with choral music"
>>738470682Such as?
>>738476987I think BoF did it fairly well, the Goddess Tyr basically promised to grant the wish of anyone worthy of her so people fought wars for her amusement seeking her favor. You defeat her, and part of her malice is left behind and becomes Deathevan who's the evil God of 2, which is 500 years later, sealed up but then gaining strength from the prayers of the St Eva church to try to break out of the seal. It's not bad but when you repeat that story a lot it loses its impact.FF6's story with Kefka impacted me but when I played VII and saw it as a retread of VI's story in a more futuristic setting it failed to have the impact on me that it did for people even a few years younger than me that didn't play VI.
>>738477449Divinity Original Sin games. BG3.Larian does good turn based.Your character's movement and position matters vs JRPG "formations"/rowsspell interactions with the environment. Like using a telekinesis spell to pick up 1 enemy and drop it off a cliff onto the head of another below, doing falling and crushing damage to both., or zapping a puddle of water with a lightning spell stunning every enemy in the puddle, or freezing that puddle so that the enemy has a chance to slip and fall on their ass when they try to move.
>>738439413But this pic is all WRPG's except for Dark Souls. Why is Dark Souls on here? This is bait.To me JRPG's are much more easily accessible but WRPG tend to do more interesting things with their plot, characters and even mechanics. I'd go with JRPG's anyways.
>>738478454the graphic is from rpgcodex. they're uber pseuds. just ignore it.
>>738477449>>738478110basically what I'm getting at is that in some western RPG's the "turn" is not just pick fight from the menu and mash confirm or scroll down your list of spells to the most powerful damage spell and hit confirm because for some reason JRPG's love to give you a lot of useless status effect and debuffing spells that aren't worth using on trash packs but bosses are all immune to, so you just hit attack on your fighters and most powerful nuke spell on your casters and heal.that's it.there's no depth to the combat so the turn based nature is kind of a waste.the 3 games I listed, you have to stop and think about what you're going to do, because moving around the field is part of your turn. In BG3 a turn involves moving up to a certain distance/perhaps even using jump to cross a gap or avoid an environmental hazard, then a main action, like attacking with a weapon or using a spell, + a bonus action like dipping your arrows in a puddle of burning oil to set that arrow on fire.So a turn with an archer might be getting close enough to a burning oil puddle to dip your arrows in fire, shooting your flaming arrow at an enemy, or perhaps oil underneath their feet to set it on fire, or a "red barrel" which you know, blows up, or say, a rope holding up an object in the air that would drop on top of an enemy and crush them, and then use the rest of your movement to get to a place of cover/concealment so they can't retaliate before ending your turn.It's far more tactical and you actually have to think about every move you make.vs a Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest game I just mash fight. It's menuslop.
>>738456229>Before that, you basically had to create the party by scratchthis always sucked. The point was to emulate tabletop where everyone created their own characters but in a video game you don't have the option for fleshing out custom characters that you do in tabletop. Instead of having an adventure with actual characters you just have cardboard cutouts. Also there were plenty of WRPGS with non-custom party members even before any JRPG influence.
>>738478110Trails has a very good turn-based system. It doesn't have the environmental interactivity of Larian stuff but it makes up for it in other ways.
>>738479094I'm okay with creating your own main character but it does feel like it loses something when it's your entire partycreating your own MC that you either self insert as or at the very least you see "this is the character I'm role playing" where you kind of fashion up a backstory and decide their personality and stuff .... and then interact with established characters that's fine I'm all good with thatBut when you have to do that with 4+ characters you end up not roleplaying at all, it's just cutouts, because in the "design your own MC, but the rest of the party is established characters" there's dialogue between those characters that's scripted, it allows them to push you into making decisions in how to respond. When every character is unscripted, no roleplaying actually takes place. and what you get is cardboard cutouts.
>>738478454Yeah that's pretty much why I like wrpgs more
>>738471770>comparing a military tactics RPG to a fantasy adventure RPG
>>738479836but you can see how that also redirects some focus from the adventure to character drama within the party?
>>738480012>but you can see how that also redirects some focus from the adventure to character drama within the party?character drama within your party is a pretty central part of adventure stories.
>>738457275I've been a JRPG faggot for 3 decades and Might and Magic 3 - 8 was always my jam. Open worlds, lightning fast straightforward gameplay, endearing campy graphics, FUCKING amazing music
>>738480012no because I enjoy both those things. I like the camp encounters that flesh out character relationships whether friendly, rivalry, romance.I people will either love romance in their RPG's or hate it I guess I like them because it's more character development, more quests etc.I can enjoy a dungeon crawler/blobber with 4 cardboard cutouts and no actual roleplaying but I also like character driven drama and interactions.
>>738480210ergo why rpgs are now like trashy romance novels.
>>738439662FBPB
>>738480393>claims to like RPG's>doesn't like character interactions>just wants gameplay with dice rolling
>>738439413Wrpgs because I haven't played much jrpgs
>>738439413I've been very picky about both in the last few years. WRPGs have a wokeness problem, JRPGs are too slow and juvenile.
>>738480817>juvenile Agreed about WRPGs. I can't take the lackluster characters and stories seriously.
>>738480637I could just throw this back in your face saying you're more interested in interpersonal drama than you are adventuring.
>>738439413JRPGS have always been vastly superior to me. On every metric. Outside of a handful of wrpgs they are one and dones that have no replay value or entertainment factor. I can always go back to a bravely default or final fantasy or xenogame and have the same premium experience several times a year.
>>738439413CRPGs and some JRPGs
wrpgs tend to be vastly superior, mainly because they tend to be actual RPGs.jrpgs are essentially just RPGS only in name
>>738480936no because I just said I enjoy both.for me the character drama adds depth and reason to the adventure rather than just "hey here's a big dungeon there's treasure in there"
>>738480393imagine any fantasy novel but none of the party members had any conflicts with eachother or emotional connections or personality. I'm not saying you need to make it a borderline dating sim with romance options and stuff but the party members need to have some kind of character and dynamic for the adventure to really feel meaningful and JRPGS tend to be far better at that than most WRPGs with a few exceptions.
>>738481641why must games fit in a novel (or movie) mold?
>>738481724>why must games fit in a novel (or movie) mold?The entire point of RPGs to begin with was to experience your own fantasy adventure story via the character you're role-playing as with the custom characters of your friends being the other members of the party. What is the point in a fantasy adventure where you literally don't give a fuck about any of the characters because they're just human-shaped soulless husks who happen to accompany you?
>>738479941This changes nothing, cRPG and tactics games are sister genres. cRPG turn based systems still retain proper level design and actual tactics. Ching chong ping pongs are incapable of designing a good combat system, be it turn based or real time, no matter the genre. The sorry excuse of a turn based combat in jRPGs being hyped up as some hardcore thing is pathetic and makes true turn based games look bad by association.
>>738481641I'd disagree and think that both have good examples of interpersonal drama whether they have romance or not.Even if you romance nobody, it's worthwhile doing other character's personal quests and whatnot, it often rewards new skills or equipment for those characters for a mechanical reason to do them, brings in closure for loose ends that character had, and might even make a mid tier character relevant again.or sometimes it's just nice to shoot targets with Garrus as maleshep and affirming that this is your bro.
>>738482562You're literally just agreeing with me now and saying you disagree. The argument was about pre-made NPC companions vs fully custom companions. Not romance vs no romance.
>>738482747I'm disagreeing with your assertion that JRPG's are better at character drama than WRPG's.I think there's a lot of good character drama in both.
>>738482218>This changes nothing, cRPG and tactics games are sister genres. cRPG turn based systems still retain proper level design and actual tactics. the vast majority really don't, especially D&D fantasy ones.
>>738439413I prefer WRPGs but most of them are garbage, i only like them when they are well made.WRPGs can be made via 2 different ways.Common (Quests, choices, larp, dialogue)Rare (Gameplay, combat, level design, rpg mechanics)Most of these Crpgs in your chart are garbage games, buggy, ugly looking crap with shallow combat system, shallow level design and mediocre story and writing.On the other hand JRPGs are more consistent, they are more by the book, but they are well made from a game making persepctive, they are not buggy pieces of shit, they usually have functional gameplay and the story is usually better.JRPGs tend to have better characters, better stories and more functional gameplay.However when the WRPGs are well made then they beat the JRPG no matter how good it is.Take Chrono Trigger for example, a well made JRPG with solid story and gameplay, its great isn't it? sureBut then i compare it to something like Bg3 and yeah, i can't say with a straight face that its better, its just not. So in the end it depends on the game, WRPG and JRPG are retarded terms anyway, its only RPG and Action RPG.I will say however that WRPG larpers are low iq retards for the most part, the JRPG fanbase is much cooler imo.
>>738482930they do, including real time ones, like bioware games
>>738482218>dude muh difficulty muh challenge Not a real qualifier of quality of game
wrpg’s but they have to be at least 30ish years old or they probably suck.
>>738482981Growlanser is probably more tactical than any Bioware game and Trails combat is more engaging than D&D bre-buff slop where melee gets no options.
>>738483473If you're playing pre-buff D&D then melee/phys range is already strong as shit, especially in 3e where you gain feats that turn you into a beyblade of destruction
>>738439413Are there any JRPGs that are real time with pause, or just not turn-based? I don't like turn-based, find it too boring. But RTwP is my bread and butter.
>>738483473Not possible. Lower races cannot create video games
>>738483701FFXIIDiofield ChroniclesThere are plenty of action jrpgs but not sure if that's what you want.
>>738483671i didn't say melee is weak. I mean it basically gets no actual strategic options in most D&D shit. Yeah you can build a character to be OP but the combat itself for the melee characters often just comes down to attack and that's it. No interesting abilities or resource management or anything which ends up being kind of unengaging.
Intelligence is curiosity and wanting to know and learn something different from you, or already having done so and having a wider range of appreciation. People who play Japanese games, not just western focused JP games like souls or resident evil, still play western oriented JP games and western games. People who exclusively play western games and only JP games that cater to their westernness (souls, reddit evil, etc) are incapable and/or unwilling to ever go outside their immediate circle of comfort and familiarity. They are simply less intelligent beings.They make up stupid terms like weaboo becausr they cant understand and fear/hate people who have more intellectual ability to venture outside their safe zone.They also tend to have an unhealthy obsession with horror/gore genres, and tend to lean left politically.Anyone who says they hate japanese games or call people weaboos, or say their favorite games are dark sousl, residrnt evil, silent hill, uncharted, last of us, warcraft, diablo, baldurs gate, control, witcher, returnal, etc i just go "ah right, youre one of the less intelligent ones"its no offense, its just how the world works
>>738482954Chrono Trigger is great in a lot of ways and I was actually thinking of it as a counter to the accusation that interpersonal character arcs are all just "dating sim" shit.FF6 and CT kind of established the entire idea of each party member having a sidequest that tied up personal loose ends, developed the character and sometimes provided ultimate gear.FF6 mostly had it in order to recruit the characters back in your party>Locke trying to resurrect Rachel>Cyan trapped in a dream>Shadow looking for a specific weapon at the arena>Needing to rescue Relm in order to snap Strago out of his cultist trancebut a few were post recruiting that gave the characters something special>Sabin finding his master is still alive and teaching him his ultimate move>Locke picking the lock to find the cursed shield and Ragnarok Sword/Esper>Mog helping you recruit UmaroBut Chrono Trigger really refined them and I think really made them into a distinct element of video game RPG's>Frog visiting Cyrus' grave and having a cathartic moment that moved even the spirits of the Masamune and inspired them to power up the sword to truly be the sword of legend it was meant to be>Robo opposing his own maker and original programming, to become something on his own, giving him his ultimate weapons>Marle finding evidence to clear her Father's name in a Kangaroo Court trial, resulting in her ultimate armor>Lucca getting her ultimate gun from recharging the dead sunstone.>Magus taking out his former lieutenents and getting his ultimate gearChrono Trigger was just a really well made game all around. Really impressive for its time and I think it still holds up.
The choice is easy
>>738483970Leftist brainrot
>>738484031>posting kibblesAbelard, bring me his balls.
>>738484031/threadThere is no way you can refute this, the past 10 years have been clear as the sun.Wrpgs are total crap, yes every 10 years or so you get a good one, but holy shit look at that amount of slop, each one was hyped and failed miserably.When Cdpr and Larian retire this genre will be buried forever
>>738483843Oh, I forgot about FF12. Yeah I played and really enjoyed it. I've been looking for RPGs in general and after my searchings, I think I figured out what i do and don't like. Turn-based to me is really boring, because i can take as long as I want and I don't ever worry about what's going on or what's going to happen. I don't know how to describe it. But RTwP seems fun because i still have to think about whats going on and the pressure is still there, no flashy shit. I'll check out Diofeld, thanks fren!
>>738439413CRPGs >>> JRPGs >>>>>>>>>> WRPGs
>>738483843Growlanser series Legend of heroes Gagharv games (except not the psp version of tear of vermillion.) Cross Hermit. Star Ocean is also kind of like that. If you want turn-based JRPG combat that doesn't suck go for trails, especially the later ones.>>738483843FFXII has cool vibes but the combat is terrible. Diofield is so bad it legit feels like a money laundering scheme.
>>738483701There is Final Fantasy 12 and Xenoblade Chronicles, unironically their combat easily beats the likes of Bioware slop like Dragon Age and Baldur Gate 2, two of the most overrated games ever by wrpg fags.But when you compare them with RTS they become shallow trash games, i mean they are just about story so its understandable. Bioware slop has no good story and no good gameplay either, same goes for Owlcat slop like Pathfinder, after years of shilling by redditors i decided to bite and as expected, game is pure trash.I'll never take recommendation from a Crpg/Wrpg fag ever again.
JRPGs combat is just pressing a to attack or pressing down and then a to do a spell
>>738484547This is Wrpg combat btw
Whats the best RPGs that give you the "traveling the world" adventure feeling?
>>738484661Superior to any jarpig
>>738484547>Wrpg combat
This is Wrpg combat btw
>>738484547This is the game Wrpg fags consider the GOAT rpg btw, look at this crap lol
>>738439413WRPGs because JRPGs feel like they're more focused on the numbers and the combat rather than the roleplaying which I what I like about the genre.
>>738484096This. Fantasy is almost inherently right-wing at its core as it's based in a love of the old world. When mainstream leftists weren't so cucked out of their minds they could still make cool shit but then they became so ideological that making genuine cool fantasy became impossible.>>738484275Fuck Larian. I bought BG3 in EA and it was cool. It was only the first act and despite being a bit too whimsical there was no woke shit in sght, then they pulled out the rug in the later acts and filled it with fag shitI might pirate divinity but JRPGs are my refuge from this shit. If there's any gay shit it's usually played for laughs instead of being taken seriously and there's usually no actual gay romances.
This is the game Wrpg fags consider the GOAT rpg btw, look at this crap lol
WRPG's are at their peak when they're basically trying to be a single party variant of a turn based strategy gameJRPG's are at their peak when they're basically trying to have DMC combat with combos, but with a party.
>>738484547HOLY FUCKING KINO>>738484661HOLY FUCKING KINOWish I could fuck Linzi>>738484681DRPGs of any variety since dungeon exploration is a lot more meticulous, there's no better feeling than remembering all the bullshit you got through to finally clear all floors of a dungeon/levelOtherwise try playing non-linear or exploration focused games like Crystal Project, Avernum, Wartales, Elona or Horizon's Gate, Seventh Stand User
>>738484547This is considered top 10 Wrpgs btw
>>738484491>FFXII beats BG2>the game where the game plays itself for you and is piss-easy the entire way beats BG2nice joke. FFXII is literally one of the worst RTWP combat systems i've ever seen in a game.
>>738485016>HOLY FUCKING KINOCopeI know you are seething watching your garbage piece of shit game exposed like that.Seethe and kill yourself bitch
>>738485127HOLY FUCKING KINOdo you have the roguelike mode webms too? The one where the guy uses enlarge person and invisibility
>>738485041And yet it still requires more brain power, thought processing, reaction time, and engagement then>X>X>X>X>X>Victory ScreenAlso, literally no one gives a flying fuck about an RPG's "Combat". Its' not what games an RPG an RPG you retard
>>738484491Well, I thought Dragon Age Origins was amazing. Doesn't look to good, but I loved it all the way through and got a few playthroughs out of it. 2 was okay, Inquisition wasn't okay. Didn't even bother with Veilguard. >>738484417I suppose this was meant for me. Thanks for reecommendations. There's a lot of Star Oceans and Legend of Heroes, so I'll have to comb through it to find what speaks to me.
>>738485291WRPGs have the best combat of any genre that's why I play them
>>738485291>Also, literally no one gives a flying fuck about an RPG's "Combat". Its' not what games an RPG an RPG you retard
>>738439413I'm leaning towards WRPGs but my favourite RPG is a JRPG.
I love JRPGs Final Fantasy IX is my favorite, how could you tell?
>>738485291>X>X>X>Victory Screenyou're playing the wrong JRPGs then.
>people discussing games>election tourists start doing the political football chimpout
All you have to do to realize how bad Wrpgs are is just look at the Rpgs that came each year and how superior Jrpgs usually are, granted its not every single year but most years they easily take out the Wrpg junk trash>1994FF6 > Ultima 8>1995 Chrono Trigger>1996Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War > Diablo>1997Final Fantasy 7 > Fallout>1998Xenogears and Suikoden > Baldurs Gate 1>1999Grandia > Planescape Torment>2000Final Fantasy 9 & Grandia 2 > Baldurs Gate 2>2001Final Fantasy X easily takes crap disfunctional junk like Arcanum>2002Golden Sun gives Morrowind a run for its money>2003SMT: Nocturne easily takes out Kotor>2004Dragon Quest 8 easily beats the buggy unfinished trash flop VTMB>2005Tales of Abyss and KH2 i dont even know what crap Wrpg cucks made>2006Valkyrie Profile, Persona 3 and FF12 and they made Oblivion lol>2007Lost Odyssey a hidden gem > Fable>2008Even Pokemon Platinum is more relevant today than Fallout 3 >2009Demon's Souls easily stumps and destroys the crappy dating sim Dragon Age>2010The first year in history that Wrpg fags take a W>2011Dark Souls > Skyrim>2012Dragons Dogma with the dunk on games like Diablo 3 and Ass effect 3 (killed the series)I dont need to continue but its obvious
JRPGs are based WRPGs are cringe
>>738439413Personally, I prefer WRPGs. I think the difference is WRPG is usually about creating your character and roleplaying, while JRPG is typically about pre-defined characters and their specific stories. I'm not saying that's bad, but I just don't enjoy it as much if I have no real control over the story or who my character is. At that point, I'd rather play something with more exciting combat. There hasn't been a good WRPG in quite some time, though. Can't speak on JRPG as I've stopped playing them entirely.
>>738485423n'idiota, you're meant to either say XIV or Persona 5
JRPGs are basedWRPGs are crin-ack
>>738485296>Dragon Age Origins was amazingUhh yes the game with mmo light combat system is amazing.the game with linear corridor maps and fetch quests is amazingIt came out the same year as Demon's SoulsI literally replayed Demon's Souls recently, it takes a massive shit on this "amazing" game that aged like milk and people only remember for morrigan tits.Wrpg cucks have extremely low standards, they just want to larp and pick choices, even the stories are mediocre shit. L fans
>>738485690>anon talks about games he hasn't played.
>>738439413JRPGs, but this is kind of unfair since I only like Soulsbornering.I will say this though. WRPGs are not video games. Prompting NPCs for exposition does not constitute gameplay. They are glorified novels with some rudimentary gameplay to justify their existence in the medium.
>>738439413WRPGS.The reason is aesthetics and storytelling. JRPGs have the most obnoxious way of storytelling ever. Also I like creatures inspired by European and Middle Eastern myths, rather than goofy Japanese "heres a parrot with a cats head, wearing a propeller hat, as an enemy".
>>738485916If you think so. I also love Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1, and 2. All fun, played the hell of them. Got the platinum for each of these multiple times because I made other accounts on PSN to make my own party in Dragon's Dogma. Any recommendations for WRPG or JRPG games?
>>738448695>storyfagWhen they don't like it>reactivityWhen they do like it
I hecking love Earbound and Earbound inspired indie games
>>738439413I prefer the aesthetics of WRPGs and the RPG elements mattering outside of pure combat. I like the greater degree of exploration that most WRPGs tend to offer while most JRPGs have really simplistic level design and dungeons. That being said JRPGs tend to have more interesting words and aren't enwokified and filled with gay shit. Maybe i have to suffer through some cringe anime tropes and harem nonsense but at least it isn't the same (We have tolkien at home) crap for the millionth time. WRPGs just need to ditch the classic fantasy races altogether IMO. At this point if a world has elves and dwarves and shit i just kind of tune out.
>>738454414Codextards have the worst taste on the internet, imagine the kind of loser that listens to them.
JRPGs be like God is le evil let's kill him
>>738486208>WRPGs just need to ditch the classic fantasy races altogether IMO.No Wrpgs need to make good gameplay and ditch their larp fantasy crap. Woke is the least of their problems, woke just made their games uglier and more of a laughingstock, it just highlighted the obvious, that they were always garbage but now even their retarded fans started to see it.
The last good JRPG came out never, because JRPGs are all bad
JRPGs have awesome stories about using ancient mechs to fight Gods and Monsters full of character drama and melancholy and everything in between. WRPGs are like juvenile nonsense like Star Wars. They are just more fun and entertaining and engaging.
>>738485916>>738486321>larp>live action role-playingStop using this phrase
>>738486280>kefka is godyou can be 10 and still realize this isn't the case, you must be severely mentally challenged
>>738485916>actual tactical game being worse to actionsloplol
JRPGtards think that character who dies but 20 minutes later magically comes back is drama or fun and not just retarded
>>738486540Goatka is unironically the only interesting jrpg character
>>738485690>Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War > Diablo>Final Fantasy 7 > FalloutDebatable>Grandia > Planescape Torment>Final Fantasy 9 & Grandia 2 > Baldurs Gate 2No>Final Fantasy X easily takes crap disfunctional junk like Arcanum>Dragon Quest 8 easily beats the buggy unfinished trash flop VTMBTrying to shittalk the better game doesn't change the fact that it's better>Golden Sun gives Morrowind a run for its moneyAnd Gothic II beats them both>Even Pokemon Platinum is more relevant today than Fallout 3Because Pokefags are a particularly aggresive type of cancer.I agree witht the rest.
>>738486614they really like melodrama. it also sells, or wrpgs wouldn't have adopted it.
>>738486614You're write Gandolf coming back to life 20 minutes later in lord of the rings was retarded, even though tolkien did write one of my favorite anime sagas.
>>738486668he's barely a character and shallow as a puddle
>>738486735>>738486741It's retarded when it happens all the time and you know no one is going to die because the game is rated for children and it literally happends EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!!
>>738486614Yeah who would like a story about someone dying and resurrecting a short time later, that'd never convince anyone, how ridiculousJesus Christ what a stupid trope.
>>738485916I played this not too long ago for the first time and i was baffled by how bad it was! for me its crazy how people sell this game as one of the best games of all time!! All i was doing was clicking 1,2,3 on my keyboard as cooldown ends over and over watching the game play itself, you may chug a potion or 2 if you need but thats where it all ends, game plays itself and enemies dont do anything but stand there auto attacking you and you auto attacking them. The only part where i had to pay attention to was to people i needed to rescue, apparently the A.I in the game is so terrible they go suicide themselves in fire, so you need to pay attention to click on them and make them stand in their place.Game was a cakewalk and it was boring, honestly coming from The Witcher and Cyberpunk to this game was disappointing to me, it had worse characters, quests and story and the choices didn't feel interesting. I also played Inquisition when i got my PS4 and it put me to sleep, just when you reach the open world you get showered with boring quests, the UI is terrible and the combat is like you are playing some cheap korean MMORPG. People give Bethesda the heat for Skyrim and Fallout 4 but sue me, i think they are better games than whatever this low tier slop is. At least the quests are fun and the world feels dynamic and responsive.
>>738486614>JRPGtards think that character who dies but 20 minutes later magically comes back is drama or fun and not just retardedI can't really think of many instances of this happening aside from maybe FF4. If anything JRPGs are a bit too squeamish about killing off characters and they just get "seriously injured" but then recover in basically no time at all.
>>738486880He poisons water like a jew
>>738486905>rated for childen It's so interesting how E-T JRPGS have the same level of "mature" content as M rated WRPGS. and Western games in general.
>>738486907JRPGs would kill him because he is God
>>738486950same thing really
>>738487017already tried, it didn't take
>>738439413why are all the JRPG enjoyers on the offensive, belittling and shitposting, but the WRPGs are being honest and trying to invite discussion?
>>738439413Here's what you can do as a THIEF in your average WRPG:>hide in shadows>back-stab>pickpocket NPCs>detect illusions>detect/set/disarm traps>scout ahead using stealth>concoct poisonsExamples of WRPGs that allow the above: Arcanum, Baldur's Gate Series, Icewind Dale Series, Neverwinter Nights Series, Pathfinder SeriesHere's what a THIEF can do in your average JRPG:>use debuffs, same as any other class
>>738439662Wrpgs are almost always trash, if not DEI/woke to the max it's written by some faggot dnd obsessed boomer.
>>738486984M rated RPGs have nudity and gore, jap games don't without significant censorsing which is why RPGs are often E or T rated and why games look different when they're imported to or out of japan.
>>738486714lol Imagine claiming that Arcanum is better than Final Fantasy X This is next level delusionAnd Grandia 2 makes Baldur Gate 2 look like a piece of shit. FF9 literally has better story, soundtrack and characters than baldur gate2
>>738487162there's no need to hide when you can build the thief to stack their evasion to 100% so they literally can't be killed and auto-counter everything.
>>738487148I dunno, why are there so few that see merit in both?It's always tribalism one side or the other.
>>738487162You can play better as a thief in elder scrolls than any of those Crpgs
>>738487162don't forget the JRPG thief can also use steal on enemies even monsters for some reasonwha do you get from this, just potions which cost like 10g and some op weapon on some random enemy only at this specific point in the game
>>738487320That's not a thief, anon, but a prostitute from a cosplaying convention.
>>738487248Off of top of my head, XB2 has on screen baby smothering and Bravely Default has gear and items that directly state are satiated by the blood of your enemies as you kill them in combat. That's more grisly than the nonsense that gets praised in pop media like the last of us or God or War or any other silly nonsense.
>>738439413JRPGs. Goes without saying that there are certainly a lot of bum ones that just ape simple turn based systems and call it a day.. I love turned based games, but not all turn based games are good.>variety in combat systems>turn based combat, when it isn't cookie cutter RPG Maker dogshit>some JRPGs won't require you to exploit all systems, but will encourage you to and reward you accordingly (super bosses)>excellent music>generally very good art direction that ages well, e.g. Valkyrie Profile>story is a mixed bag, sometimes it can be awesome, other times it's just like my japanese animays>older JRPGs were good at selling their worlds. They felt lived in, cohesive, memorable, sincere, and taking inspiration from both east and western ideas.I still play JRPGs now, however the quality doesn't feel as up to par. The last JRPG I actually played was DQIII, and I'm currently playing DQV (SNES) for the first time. Great, although simple, games. I'd be interested in playing something newer, but right now I'm not aware of what else is out there.
>>738487329>tribalismindeed. but the tribe that uplifts their people has more merit than the tribe that attacks
>Bravely Default has gear and items that directly state are satiated by the blood of your enemies as you kill them in combat.
>>738487409You forgot rape and murder etc is in both of those games. Again, I just find it interesting that shitposters always fall back on this disingenous argument that JRPGS are juvenile, but that's only ever the case for like 0.01% of them.
>>738439413Jrpgs but they were all kino.
>>738487329White people are so devoid of tribalism that they seek it out via other means; games, sports, political parties, transgendeism..etc etc.Its human nature to be tribal and seek out a collective group.
>>738487525You used the wrong reaction image. You should have posted this in a shitpost thread for discussion over kiddie garbage like E33 or Mass Effect or Divinity.
I like jrpgs because they try to be good games but fail because the devs made bad decisions and only sell because jrpg fans have low standards. this is in contrast to wrpg devs who aren't even trying to make good games and manage to sell anyway because wrpg fans don't care at all about playing good games.
>>738487162I get your point but even in the most basic bitch JRPG's thief gets a pickpocket skill that they use in combat, steal, or sometimes upgraded to a command that "mugs" an enemy to do damage while stealing, they also can pick locks and at times are specialists in throwing weapons, they have a bonus to being able to flee encounters, and can find hidden passages in walls, and they're usually the first to take turns because of high speed/agility.
>>738487525Case in point, shitposter who has immediately invalidated their worth
>>738487409Last of Us and Classic GoW is infinitely more gorey, not to mention exposed tits and sex in GoW.
>You used the wrong reaction image. You should have posted this in a shitpost thread for discussion over kiddie garbage like E33 or Mass Effect or Divinity.
>>738487148Try being a jrpg fan whos had sex. Weird people. EVERY franchise thread evolves into a pissing contest between other games for no reason at all.
>>738487253>And Grandia 2 makes Baldur Gate 2 look like a piece of shit.>no classes>no interesting loot>no interesting side quests>no crime system>no rpg elements outside of combat>can't make an evil party.> FF9 literally has better story, soundtrack and characters than baldur gate2okay but what about gameplay?
>>738487728You have to be 18+ to post here bud
>>738487753>had sex That’s not a good thing fringe outlier visitor
>>738487597why can't the collective group be "Average RPG enjoyers"?
>>738487728Those are like the oldest fan bases on this board?
>>738487764>okay but what about gameplay?Anon let's be serious here, nobody plays JRPGs for the gameplay. Or mechanics. Or choices. Or character customization.They'll deny it to Hell and back, but JRPGs are essentially VNs with some pointless grinding thrown in.
>>738439413I like the focus on characters and stories for role playing games, so WRPGs is it for me.Not to say JRPGs are bad, I like them too, but a lot of them are written like a shounen manga, which isn't all that interesting after the billionth time.
>You have to be 18+ to post here bud
>>738487835You need borders to make countries, so groups need other groups to oppose them.
>>738487823Hey, Ive been here since 2007 so unless you get this picture please lower your voice when talking to me. If you do get the picture than Im so sorry. I never got why you oldfags never embraced our cancer until gamergate occurred. Than I understood how awful it was to get flooded by much lower IQ posters who changed the flavor of the website.
>>738487934man I forgot how much better in quality shounen stories were than the typical bare bones western fantasy for 10 year olds were. Japs just know best when it comes to quality.
>>738487934>I like the focus on characters and stories for role playing games, so WRPGs is it for me.Oxymoron
>>738488021>changed the flavor of the website Let's be honest. Just because some people like to be loud, doesn't mean they have real say power. Something like the 3 noisiest tenants thinking they have the run of the neighborhood. Most of the time I still see anons mocking, shitting on them or ignoring them.
>>738487764Grandia 2 has far superior combat and its dungeons make baldurs gate 2 dungeons look like shit and you are talking about crime system and loot? lol>okay but what about gameplay?FF9 gameplay is mid, but is it a high bar? i mean we are comparing it with baldur gate 2 lets be real the gameplay in baldur gate 2 is below average even for the year 2000, i mean diablo 2 easily beats it, marvel vs capcom 2, counter strike, red alert 2, majoras mask, deus ex, perfect dark, quake 3 arena. like what are we even doing here? you ok? baldur gate 2 gameplay is 4/10 at best
jrpg almost exclusively, except for the rare cases were a wrpg isn't the most absurdly generic tolkien bullshit setting.And even then I don't consider Deus Ex or Mass Effect to be wrpgs...wait, is that fucking dark souls? Well memed.>>738439662also FPBP.
>>738488492>marvel vs capcom 2, counter strike, red alert 2, perfect dark, Quake III arena
>>738488492wrpg players don't care about how the game actually plays. they just have a checklist of things they think a rpg should have and if the game checks the boxes that makes it a good rpg as far as they're concerned.>does it let you create your character?>does it have dialogue options?>does it have quests with different endings?>can you steal from npcs?>can you kill npcs?it doesn't matter if the game is complete jank and the different endings for quests only change a card at the end and nothing else, as long as the game is checking the boxes they will say it's good for "trying to be a real rpg."
should i play system shock 1 or ultima:underworld
>>738439413Western RPGs are either great or shit no inbetween, in fact its very rare for a Western RPG to be middling.Japanese RPGs are most of the time mediocre, forgettable generic games, in rare instances they are shit or great.What matters to me as a player is the amount of top tier games i can play, i disregard the bad stuff, therefore the only deciding factor for me is comparing Top 10 Western RPGs vs Top 20 Japanese RPGs and the answer couldn't be more clear.Western RPGs
>>738489041system shock 1 if you want a shooter, underworld if you want classic real time dungeon crawler
>>738489041Nintendo should have hired this man instead of George Porgey or whoever they got the remake. The game would actually have good graphics.
>wrpg players don't care about how the game actually plays. they just have a checklist of things they think a rpg should have and if the game checks the boxes that makes it a good rpg as >>far as they're concerned.>>does it let you create your character?>>does it have dialogue options?>>does it have quests with different endings?>>can you steal from npcs?>>can you kill npcs?>>it doesn't matter if the game is complete jank and the different endings for quests only change a card at the end and nothing else, as long as the game is checking the boxes they will say >it's good for "trying to be a real rpg."
>>738489041Both games are good, but just as anon said, if you want a shooter with some melee, then System Shock. If you want melee, the Ultima.Make sure to get Unity Underworld.
Since wrpgchads won this thread, what is the best wrpg?
>>738439413Don't worry bros, I've erased the games that are bad and placed yellow question marks over the games no one has ever heard of so that no one wastes their time on bullshit.
>>738489485I have heard of Darklands, so this list is incorrect.
Wrpgs, because Jrpgs are for TRANNIES
>>738488010we can oppose MOBAutists and Gachafags
>>738489469Clair Obscur: Expedition 33
>>738490094is a JRPG thoughever
>>738490168It was made by frogs so it can't be a JRPG.
>>738490290spiritually a JRPG
>Yes I like both Chrono Trigger, and Mass Effect, how can you tell?
>>738471223>No it wasn't especially not in DQ's caseThe devs knew Wizardry and Ultima existed but that doesn't mean they made a game that's close to those.
chrono trigger is the only good JRPG
>>738477449penis in butthole
>>738478454>Why is Dark Souls on here?Because Dark Souls is a third person action-oriented rpg where you directly control your character instead of giving them commands and watching them play them out, which is what a WRPG is.
>>738478993>basically what I'm getting at is that in some western RPG's the "turn" is not just pick fight from the menuthose western rpgs are the ones which are actually wrpgs. Devs in the west also make crpgs.
>>738490962So the W stands for >where you directly control your character instead of giving them commands and watching them play them outI didn't know that.
>>738439413WRPGsThey tend to have actual roleplaying for starters, so the name makes senseI don't necessarily hate JRPGs, but they are extremely shallow. If the story and characters are ok you can endure a JRPG, but I am yet to find a single one that surprises me, excites me, makes me feel like I'm exploring or even interacting with the world at all.I'm not into action games either, so the fact that some jrpgs try to do flashy action is completely meaningless to me.
>>738439413JRPGs, mostly because I haven't really ever played WRPGs. Surely I will eventually, but I've never felt that drawn to one to the point I stopped everything to play it asap so for the moment they're just off to the side in my backlog. I'm sure I would enjoy a few but just hasn't happened yet.
Dark souls is good therefore it is a WRPG.Any RPG that is good is a WRPG and every RPG that is bad is a JRPG.
>>738485041Nobody looks to CDPR for good combat, anon.
last chance for JRPGbros name 5 good JRPGs now!
>>738491534Why should they? When WRPGs have yet to post even one franchise that even measures up to acceptable?
>>738489469Dark Souls.
>>738491631based
>>738491075No it stands for the kind of RPGs these Western devs are making which aren't cRPGs or dungeon crawlers, like Gothic. Much like the J in jrpg meant of the style rpgs those nip devs are making which aren't like the grid-based first person dungeon crawlers devs in the west are making, like Final Fantasy. It was about what specific devs in these regions all making similar games around the same time were doing, not their postal addresses.
>>738491863>Much like the J in jrpg meant of the style rpgs those nip devs are makingThe style you're referring to is called 4 niggas in a row and J stands for made in Japan.
>>738484681unironically any elder scroll games: each delivered a different experience, from skyrim's viking vibe to morrowind's alien feel>dragon's dogma was VERY realistic. too much for my taste (no fast travel)>The witcher 2 and 3 were a nice middlepoint flotsam is more memorable than a lot of skyrim towns, but not as immersive and you only get one town>pathfinder is kinda good the first exciting 2-3 hours. then you realize how underwhelming your character is, but some people may prefer that kind of balance>baldur's gate10/10 no notes. any of them.>neverwinter nights 1 & 2I actually preferred nwn to baldur's gate on feeling/exploration/combat. except BG3, of course>expedition 33bretty gud
>>738492269Sure, when you start pathfinder you are weak, but you end up becoming overpowered and killing a demigod, I wouldn't call that underwhelming
>>738492265>J stands for made in Japan.No it doesn't. Genres and subgenres are meant to inform you about what to expect in a game, not where they devs who made it were born. If someone told you they loved dark souls, would you recommend dungeon travelers 2 to them because they're in the same genre? No, you fucking wouldn't, because they're not in the same genre.
>>738493065I wouldn't recommend them a bethesda rpg either.
>>738493173Sorry nips make western rpgs better than western devs, anon.
>>738439413>unironic "thing Japan" posters ITTCringe
>>738441006>setting variety.lol no
>>738439413I like good RPGs. Sometimes they're WRPGs, sometimes they're JRPGs. Feels nice not being a retarded monkey who arbitrarily hates genres.
>>738445372E33 is a wrpg
>>738493892how is your first week on the website going champ?
>>738448695>pretending Fallout1in2 isn't objectively betterThe fact that you can move item stacks easier and push companions makes it infinitely better to play. Fuck this retard.
>Brown, Red and BlackWow, that sure looks exciting. Helps that 90% of those games are generic DnD fantasy too.
>>738448695it's a really good thing this guy will not breed.that level of autism needs to go extinct
>>738439413I would love to say WRPGs because they actually try to be real RPGs, but they're just awful. You can tell why just by looking at your picture. Where's the color? Where's the fantasy? It doesn't exist. WRPGs are all brown and gray and they're obsessed with "realism" which is not a good trait in video games. Realism is what smoothbrained normalfags like because they can't imagine an apple.WRPG developers also love to think outside the box - and by that, I mean they love to make anything that doesn't feel like a stereotypical RPG. I want to play a medieval fantasy game, but ask anyone what the best WRPGs are and they hit you with some stealth-FPS-sci-fi shit. I love that something like that is an option, but can you guys make a good fantasy game first? The answer is no. Two of those games people only play for cringey-ass sex scenes.There's also a lot more top-down WRPGs than JRPGs, because Westerners are mentally ill. Why the fuck would I want to play a digital board game? Top-down games are for absolute bugmen. The point of an RPG is to take on the role of the character; I should feel like my character. I should not feel like I'm moving a mini around a board. Yes, TTRPGs are like that. Because they're RPGs? No, because they're fucking tabletop games. You're making a VIDEO game and you're not using the strengths of the medium by making it a piss-ugly board game. This would be like calling a PowerPoint presentation that flips through comic book panels in sequence a "movie".JRPGs tend to be turn-based which is the same problem, so I want to say the action-WRPGs have the right idea, but time after time, without fail, their gameplay is fucking atrocious. You just wander around clicking wildly hoping to hit the enemy and win through attrition. Wow, what riveting gameplay. I guess it's a point better than none, though.But JRPGs are beautiful. I watched someone play FFVII recently and the story and music and everything still got to me. A WRPG could never.
>>738448695>>738454414 >>738454553 >>738455834 >>738486154 >>738494469 >>738496091It's a tranny
rpgs, jrpgs are boring cliche trash that feel like they are specifically designed to waste my time they make up for this with presentation
>>738439413I know a weeb that don't play a single Japanese game not named Touhou, even though all of his tastes revolve around Japan and he even learned to read the language. He even pretends to like baseball because it's popular in Japan. That spoke volumes to me about the quality of Japanese games.
>>738496426Name 3 good non-indie games to come out of the West in the past 10 years.
>>738496261oh good then it's guaranteed they won't breed even if they rape someone they're chemically castrated already.
>>738439413WRPGsJRPGs are basically proto moviegames
WRPGs are gay and reddit while JRPGs are sex and kino
For me, it'sArcanumPlanescapeJagged Alliance 2Colony Ship
>JRPGs>nothing but remakes and demakes as far as the eye can see>combat went from simple yet deceivingly complex to actual unironic mashing attack key jingling shit>only new thing worth looking forward to is fire emblem>WRPGs>BG3, E:33, Rogue Trader, Dark Heresy, KC:D2>multiple ambitious rising star studios with projects coming down the pipelineYeah I hate to say it but I think Japan fell off. I don't know if gacha just destroyed their brains or their demographic crisis finally caught up to them but it just feels like that whole era we grew up in is over.
>Dozens of JRPGs with a WRPG art style>not one WRPG with a JRPG art style
>>738471770Game?
>>738439413JRPGs, simply because I like big anime adventures and don't like micromanaging stats/abilities/inventory.
I feel like those old style crpgs don't really translate well into video games. Throwing 20 menus with numbers everywhere and making the story into a visual novel is just not fun to play (as a video game, not a simulator or book), really just wide as an ocean shallow as a puddle. Also the control schemes, I get that they were made for pcs but I feel like direct character control is superior to clicking around, especially for precision. 4 niggas in a row isn't necessarily great either because it takes the simplification to the extreme most of the time. If we're talking about the video game format, the ideal RPG should be a synthesis of the east and west where it's still fun to play but also has more than spamming one button on a railroad
>>738484873They're more focused on the preparation up to that point and everything else in the game than the combat itself wheres jrpgs have combat as a primary feature and little else
>>738439662fpbp
