ITT: moments you uninstalled a game.
The idea of "criminals" has only ever been a tool against those who commit crime.
>>738450368No innocent has ever been accused of a crime, true.
>>738450368Bigot
when i finished the game and then uninstalled it to make space for the next game i want to play
>>738450271Ni No Kuni II was pretty woke.
>>738450368Literally, yes. The idea of "crime" is socially constructed, and the idea that a "criminal" is a separate class of people is used to maintain inequal power structures
>>738450271Im sure the native Americans and colonised Africans thought the same.
>>738450675It's not the fact that Europeans were "foreign" that was the issue there
>>738450643society constructed the idea that murdering people is bad? damn maybe society should construct more things
>>738450749Based.
>>738450749>society constructed the idea that murdering people is bad?lolActually society constructed the idea that murdering people is only sometimes badJust like taking someone's money is only sometimes badAnd possessing a drawing is sometimes bad
>>738450271that line is kinda rich considering the fact that the writer lives in a nationalist ethnostate
>>738450643The idea of power is socially constructed.
>>738450271
>>738450783>And possessing a drawing is sometimes bad
every "melting pot (jewish)" countries economy has collapsed and their crime rates have increased
>>738450643where do you live? i want to go to your house and bash your face in with a hammer, because, hey, that action is part of a purely social construct after all.
>>738450643We WANT the criminals to have less power though. Murderers and such should have as little power as possible
>>738450368FpbpLeftists won't stop until society collapses, they will manifest the worst elements of every dystopian story ever told.
>>738450271I cant prove it but the game really reeked of trannyslator shenanigans. Like the terminology "diversity" "equality" etc being constantly shoehorned into the text. I've played too many jrpgs. Most of them would just say "wow there's so many different people here, so thats the big city huh?" instead of shit like "wow look at the diversity! the city really is a cultirally enriched place!" or something. I reckon that the lolcowlizers just smelled opportunity here.
>>738450675I'm also sure Iberians, Levantines, Numidians or people from the Balkans though the same about Arabs/Turks
>>738450271Apart from the psyop crap, this game finally took me off of Atlus forever. Took me a while to realize but the writing in their games is just garbage. Whether its SMT, persona, or this crap. Its all as one dimensional as it possibly can be. There's never anything to it. Atlus games really are style over substance.
>>738450820maybe you haven't considered that it might be *gasp* criticism towards the prevailing attitudes in the writer's own country?
>>738450740Yes it was. They were foreign to that land like inviting a foreign animal into an ecosystem. Their being foreign is exactly the issue and why there was conflict of interest.People in different places value different things, and have different cultures and ways, no, they do not all want to just have peace and get along, some peoples "peace" are that they drink the blood of infants before marriage and do not value life before the age of 5, and some cultures say "no, you cant do that now that were here, thats terrible, were going to stop that" and then you have conflict where the foreigner is now demanding change based on their own values that the natives dont hold. Not all culture is beautiful, and culture is the divider when it comes to foreigner interaction, and some cultures should not be allowed to thrive just because they landed somewhere else.
>>738450820Japs always write this kind of stuff and the idea is basically always "racism is wrong...if it's against Japanese people."
>>738451035Unlikely. No reason to give the benefit of a doubt
>>738451035yeah but its kinda tone deaf. its like writing a work criticizing urban flight while you've lived in a gated community your entire life. hard to see your opinion on the issue as anything serious or practical.
Foreigners bad. Simple as.
>>738451056Yes its normal for people to care more about bad being done to them over anyone else. Only whites ever get different ideas there
>>738450829In many ways, yes>>738450868Yeah, I had to find some way to make it relevant to /v/irgins>>738450874Threatening people is a crime, you belong to the criminal class>>738450879Right, so you see exactly how that can be used to disenfranchise people by declaring whatever they do a crime>>738451054The conflict of interest was over limited resources, again, "foreignness" is not directly relevant to any of your examples. This is precisely how rightoids keep saying they need to "protect women from foreigners" whilst themselves being a bunch of abusive rapists. It's not better because a native does it.
>>738451035>lives in a great place with low crime, high life expectency, good wages, and a strong culture, as well as a strong public bond regarding their culture>what if diversity!? aren't I a good person to think of this??a tale as old as timehave fun being fucked up the ass by niggers takeshi
>>738451142a bit weird comparison. I'm pretty sure even if a person lives in JP they can be against xenophobia
>>738451180/v/ is full of incel rapists
Pirating video games is a crime btw
>>738451180'the concept of declaring people bad for their actions is wrong because someone who didn't commit bad actions could be declared bad' is a ridiculous angle bro, obviously we do need terms for dealing with people who commit terrible deeds, we're not going to do away with the concept of murderers just because some times people are accused of doing it when they didn't
>>738451269how can you even write meaningfully on the topic of xenophobia or even just immigration when 99.99% of interactions in your life have been with people of the same race as you?
>>738451372>'the concept of declaring people bad for their actions is wrong because someone who didn't commit bad actions could be declared bad' is a ridiculous angle broYeah, why are you bringing it up?
>>738450271When you recruit the fugly elf in DA:I. Also that part where everyone starts singing.
>>738451257Just because someone isn't being xenophobic doesn't mean they suddenly are calling for complete unrestricted immigration and millions of refugees. C'mon anon, not even you can be this retarded.
>>738450643I'm assuming what you're trying to say, (but you're too retarded to articulate correctly) is that the elites or those in power can declare what you do as criminal and therefore disenfranchise you, effectively and legally removing potential enemies in the easiest and most cost effective way.If so - I partially agree, but in the end, we don't have a proper solution to this otherwise. The idea of protecting the criminal class to partially stop this type of reactionary action by those in power can also be abused to protect truly evil individuals or those who commit heinous crimes. America has a problem with activist Judges releasing criminals with long lists of violent crimes who then only commit yet another horrific act. It's unfortunate, but we need to start treating criminals worse.
>>738450425This is not speaking out against the falsely accused but the very concept of a criminal itself.
>>738451440It is implied that is your angle by way of taking issue with the concept of criminals in the first place by the complaint that it is used to disempower people because it can be used to label someone a criminal without them having done anything wrong. How do you suggest avoiding that as even a theoretical possibility without doing away with the concept of criminality in the first place?
>>738450556What? Did we play the same game?
>>738451180Yea limited resources, and I would rather thave them for my people than yours. My being foreign is that I dont have to kill and accost my people for wealth. In regards to modern day, a lot of these foreigners come from places where women are property, so when they come here they see the women the same way, and that is why there is issue with them around women. And in regards to "whilest themselves being a bunch of abusive rapists" you fell into the winning argument people make against people like you;That sort of thing may happen here, but inviting more of it in is not the answer, and I can solve foreign rape by not letting it inYou dont have to accept people who think women owe them sex anon, you beat it into your natives, and now you invite hordes of people who are told "your culture is beautiful, you dont have to be like us" and so they are being like themselves. The same way we did when we were the foreigners in their land. Third worlders are the new colonists anon, colonization isnt a fucking skin color, and noone has to tolerate being culturally enriched by things their culture does not like just because someone convinced them the foreign occupier just wants a better life, without asking what it would take from you for them to get that for themselves.
>>738451409aren't you projecting a little? Do you know the writer so well on a personal level? That aside, implying that you need to have personal experience in something to have an opinion about it is a bit cring. I don't think a person needs to get stoned for not wearing a burkha in public first before they can say it's kinda sick to do something like that.
>>738450271>Open Character creator>black curly haired female is the default>swap to the also black curly haired male default>sigh>Turn off Baldur's Gate 3
>>738451475That exact mindset is how muttmerica, UK, france, and germany became a shitskin dumpster fire and will likely continue to spread to the rest of Europe.
>>738451475They generally seem to go hand in hand and at this point the problem is getting so bad we just don't feel there is much room or need for giving the benefit of a doubt
>>738451702nah those shitters just didn't know where to draw the line lol(bee thee dubs, expecting immigrants to adapt to the culture of the country they are moving to live in is not xenophobia.)
>>738451682I'm just saying its a bit ironic. Maybe if the writer had lived in South Africa for 15 years or something I'd be more willing to think he actually knows what he's talking about. If you want another example it would be like someone from America criticizing European healthcare policies without having ever been able to use them.
>>738451173Japs are like kikes. Instead of viewing racism as normal when anyone does it in their own countries, they think that it's fine if they're the ones being racist but not if they're on the receiving end of it. They also have a tendency to refuse to frame their own racism as racism.
>>738451480No, sorry, you're too retarded to grasp my point actually. It was articulated clearly. My point was, firstly, that the idea of a "criminal class" is constructed, and who belongs to the criminal class is therefore determined by who write the laws. Disenfranchising people is an obvious way to weaponise the concept of crime against people, but certainly not the only one. Consider:If you download a game illegally, that's considered theft (or "copyright infringement", which is itself already a great example of criminalising a victimless act).If a giant corporation takes all your artwork and trains an AI model on it whilst not giving you a dime, they're in the clear.If they stiff their programmers on their paycheck, the programmer will have to file a civil suit to get his unpaid wages.If the programmer takes the money he is owed out of his boss's wallet, the boss can get the police involved. And that's without even getting into biases in policing and sentencing. >>738451578It is more than a theoretical possibility now, it is reality, and it's just important to be aware of that.>>738451662>Yea limited resources, and I would rather thave them for my people than yours.Then you think your criminals are more deserving than even the most innocent among my people. Thus we see that "foreignness" abstracts and simplifies a complex moral reality.
>>738451924I wouldn't be surprised if they've seen a case of xenophobia towards foreigners in their own country since it is so commonplace. You'd be surprised how much ppl need to interact with non-natives over there these days. When I visited, I had to go pretty far into the sticks to find places that didn't have tourists- and even there I bumped into a german lady who had been living in the country for the past 30 years or so lol
>>738450904It's okay to hate other tribes for petty reasons, you don't have to resort to worst-case-scenario hyperbole to justify yourself.
>>738450271Fantasy racism =/= real life racism because the fantasy races are always sympathetic and capable of behaving normally unlike real life races.
>>738452092>It was articulated clearly.Oh, okay then. I guess I put too much thought into it. You are just retarded. I had assumed no one could be this fucking stupid. But you are. I'd be insanely embarassed if I was you, but I guess you're too retarded for that to even be a thing, so maybe not.Incredible.
>>738452092Sorry, "retarded" is a made up term you are using to disenfranchise people, so your argument can be thrown out safely and your concession is accepted.
>>738452092Right, so you agree that someone killing you and taking all your stuff is fine as long as they dont get called a criminal for doing it
>>738452092The thing is I hear people talk about this in regards to things like police brutality, and then extend it to the concept of "police" in general. But then when you ask for practical solutions that would solve the problems brought up without creating many more worse problems, they are unable to say any solutions that are even slightly realistic
>>738450863based & thisfellow
>>738451475>Just because someone isn't being xenophobic doesn't mean they suddenly are calling for complete unrestricted immigration and millions of refugees.Except, the game literally is.
>>738452264>I guess I put too much thought into it.Really? You put out a simplistic, reductionist brainfart that failed to touch upon the implications and nuances of my argument, and you think your problem is that you put TOO MUCH thought into things? M8, you're just grasping for excuses because you've given up on grasping the point.
>>738452273>>738452293You are not serious people.>>738452315We can try to think of solutions, but most people ITT aren't even capable of acknowledging the problem in the first place, and seem to misconstrue me on purpose to avoid that.
>>738452478>You are not serious peopleNo, I am just using your argument. Everything is made up. You have declared yourself as genius of the world so you have power over that other anon and disenfranchised him by labeling him a retard. I look forward to your midwit rage.
>>738452478No its just pattern recognitionLet's hear your solution then
>>738452092Literally yes. You are not part of this culture so are not expected to know its customs and rules so we cannot punish you for breaking it like you shouldve known, we have to treat you as a foreigner always, so you get a slap on the wrist when others would get a beating, you get to act like a wretch and its excused by "he just doesnt know better". Its already like this. YOU are making it more coplicated than it is; If it comes down to it and I have to pick a side, I side with my people and my ways, its not difficult or abstract. If a foreign entity threatens that then they are the problem, not me and my people. If you come to foreign land and dont integrate you are a problem. These are peoples homes your coming to, they are not just economic zones where you just rinse and move on, its not hard, its not morally complex, if you expect that you can go to another place and act like a foreigner you are going to get treated like one. A successful foreigner is someone who you dont even realize is foreign. Funny isnt it.
>>738452092Let's start by removing leaders who push propaganda against in-group preference.
>>738452478Serious is a societal construct it’s not real, none of this matter why do you care?
>>738452478You said that criminality as a concept is bad. We provided examples of what would happen if you removed criminalityYour response to it was to say we dont exist and the problem your approach would cause doesnt exist.Proven once more, the core of a lefty is pretending to not understand things
>>738452537>No, I am just using your argument.See, I'm being generous by assuming you're not actually this dumb, but rather just dishonest. >>738452551Well, I gave a couple of concrete examples and I think that equalising those would help.But I should add that "crime" being a social construct is a neutral, factual observation and not in itself a call to action. >>738452579>If it comes down to it and I have to pick a side, I side with my people and my ways, its not difficult or abstract.This is pretty abstract, actually. Nationality, culture, race, ethnicity; whatever your dividing line, these are all abstract concepts. >>738452658Whoever gave you the impression that you were intelligent enough to discuss higher concepts did you a great wrong.
>>738452235ThisIf you agree with elfs being raped and killed just for fun because they are hecking long eared you are a retard.This doesnt mean you are against real life pattern recognition
>>738450271Civ is the only game I can think of that instills me with a violent, seething rage when I lose. >>738450643"Violence is an artifical construction" - Zohran 'You Don't Mess with the Zohan' Mamdani
>>738452883define 'abstract'
>>738452856>You said that criminality as a concept is bad.Could you quote me on that?>Your response to it was to say we dont exist and the problem your approach would cause doesnt exist.No, seriously, could you quote the actual words back to me? >Proven once more, the core of a lefty is pretending to not understand thingsI'm not pretending anything; the problem is rather that you genuinely don't understand things.
>>738452883>See, I'm being generous by assuming you're not actually this dumb, but rather just dishonest.So is the only tool in your belt saying "ur dumb"? If you are trying to find an out by pretending to be retarded, just say so.
>>738450271but chuds told me japan anti-woke?
>>738452919its weird seeing actually educated people acting like hippies about violence being a social construct when humans literally evolved to bash each other's skulls in with clubs. if anything, nonviolence would be the social construct.
>>738451054To me it seems alot of cultures are the way they are because of where they landed.
>>738452883>Nationality, culture, race, ethnicity; whatever your dividing line, these are all abstract concepts.>nationality>abstract>racism>abstractAgain, pretending to not understand things. These things are only "complicated" because tards like you cant accept>niggers are badBeing a true statement
>>738452883Intelligence is a social construct, it’s utterly meaningless. None of this matters and you’re insane if you think otherwise.
>>738450368The idea of "pedophile" has only been a tool against MAPs.
>>738452958>anti-wokeOnly wokefags say anti-woke.
>>738450271After I beat the game.
>>738450643>The idea of "crime" is socially constructedTaxes are a social construct thats why you should never pay them.
>>738452932>>738452932>My point was, firstly, that the idea of a "criminal class" is constructed, and who belongs to the criminal class is therefore determined by who write the lawsSo going by the playbook you will either pretend that that wasnt you or pretend you dont understand how that is related to what you saidThats your only argument, pretending to be retarded, the lowest of all forms of internet trolling is the towering height your intellect can reach
>what if I just transcribe something everyone is aware of and understands in a lofty fart sniffer speak aren't I hecking smartEvery time.
>>738450643>hang the drug dealers>your country stops having a drug problemthanks lee kuan yew!
Wait a minute... This anon's argument... And his style of arguing...Could it be...
>>738453035They can understand it they just pretend not to because it makes arguing a pain in the ass. And since they cannot defend their bullshit it allows them to not immediately get btfo.
>>738450643And that's a good thing, unironically.
>>738452919>"Violence is an artifical construction"This too, actually. The same act can be considered violent depending on context. >>738452954Anon, if you'd read the entire post, you'd see that I'm still engaging the people (well, person) who show the least bit of good faith. I'm also not the one acting retarded, here. >>738452995>if anything, nonviolence would be the social construct.This shows a misunderstanding of the nature of social constructs. If violence exists independent of society, then so does non-violence. Yes, animals kill each other in nature; but they frequently also do not. But within the context of our society, we decide where the line between violence and non-violence lies. Is complicity in a violent act itself violence? Are words violence? Is spanking a child violence? Is rape violence? >>738453035Anon, please, I know you like the tweet but just because I said something you disagree with that does not mean I am "pretending to not understand things". We are disagreeing. You are pretending not to understand me more than the other way around.>>738453039Well, in your case and with your understanding of the concept, I would agree.
this thread is hilarious when you know how skin deep the commentary on racism is in this game. it's just about as milquetoast a view on the affair can be. sure, you can argue that you don't need to have experience with racism or whatever to comment on it, and i'd agree, but this is a really fucking bad example for that argument, lol.
>>738453295I highly doubt he has ever even read a book. Destiny popularized this gay style of arguing where you just consistently call stuff a social construct while pretending to be intelligent. It is very popular with teens.
>>738453372Concepts are just social constructs, utterly fabricated by man. You’re delusional.
>>738453115Plenty of people argue this yeah>>738453193Anon, it is you who doesn't understand. Read the words I actually write, not whatever your fancy whispers to you. Nowhere in those words you quoted does it say criminality is a concept is bad.And that's not even getting into "we don't exist" which I honestly don't even see where you could've gotten it from or what it's supposed to mean, like what the actual fuck are you reading? Putting words in my mouth and then accusing me of dishonesty, scum. >>738453207Well, that's just kind of sidestepping the issue, now we're talking pragmatically>>738453346Those who benefit from inequal power structures would naturally say so
>>738450643>>738450368>>738450271>and then the peasant NPCs all clapped and gave a hearty "hear hear!" to each other
>>738453372>who show the least bit of good faithYou have not shown an ounce of good faith this entire thread. Jesus christ, are you actually a teen?
>>738453372And still no actual counterargument. Lets try this again shall weIf the concept of criminality is bad because it can be abused, what do you propose as an alternative?
>>738453397they would know that if they played the game, but /v/ doesn't play video games. hell, they don't even watch playthroughs of video games. so why would they know that :^)
>>738453372>But within the context of our society, we decide where the line between violence and non-violence lies. Is complicity in a violent act itself violence? Are words violence? Is spanking a child violence? Is rape violence?the problem is that this all sounds very profound and great to put in an academic thesis but if you follow these ideas to their logical conclusions thats how you get the modern epidemic of people thinking drawings are real
*walks into thread and takes a big shit*
>>738452927"Difficult to understand; abstruse." Boom.You won't tell me that most people are able to explicate on any of these:>Nationality, culture, race, ethnicityunless they're some hardcore chuddies. Your average person may be racist, but they could hardly define what race is or what are the reasons for being against some of them. They may be patriotic, but they probably won't add anything but -ality to the nation- when you try to interrogate their fervour.Is that a bad thing? No, but it shows that most evil attitudes of the masses have no basis outside of the vibes.
>>738453467>Nowhere in those words you quoted does it say criminality is a concept is bad.Then what was the point you were failing to make?The law determins what is or isnt legal? Abuse of any given system is possible? Water is wet?
>>738453590>"Difficult to understand; abstruse." Boom.>You won't tell me that most people are able to explicate on any of these:You have way too high an opinion of yourself. It is actually fucking pathetic.
>>738453590> No, but it shows that most evil attitudes of the masses have no basis outside of the vibesEven normgroids have excellent pattern recognition skills as our species evolved that way. That doesn’t mean they have to be able to articulate why they believe something to be the case and it doesn’t make it any less true, I hope that helps, you fedora-tipping redditor.
>>738453467>Those who benefit from inequal power structures would naturally say soWhich is everyone but criminals
>yeah so it turns out the royal family who are supposed to be bloodline descendants of the ancient powerful Valkyrur master race are actually secretly (((Darcsens))) who in ancient times betrayed their own people and allied with the Valkyrur invaders then tricked the public into believing they themselves were actually Valkyrur>all the while (((Darcsen))) people are a hated minority in the west and being thrown into slave camps in the eastwow that's crazy huh?
>>738453414>Concepts are just social constructsYes. How do you think that's delusional? It's pretty obviously true.>>738453474I'm literally calmly explaining the nature of social constructivism to you rubes and all you've shown me in return is SO I CAN COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND BASH YOUR HEAD IN BECAUSE CRIME NOT BAD????!??!>>738453520I did not say that the concept of criminality is bad so I do not feel obliged to answer you. I said that the concept of criminality is a social construct and who is deemed a criminal is determined by the dominant power structure. At most I have advocated for redefining individual crimes, not abolishing the concept of criminality. >>738453638>Then what was the point you were failing to make?The one that I did put into words, as opposed to the one you imagined.>>738453759That's a tautology.
>>738453413>Destiny popularized this gay style of arguing where you just consistently call stuff a social constructDid anyone do the uno reverse card where homophobia was just the social construct?
>>738453397>>7384535261. Samefag2. The idea of foreigner being made exclusively to oppress people is laughable especially when said by the Japanese.
>>738450749murdering people isn't bad, waging war is bad. one is trimming, the other is bureaucracy.
>>738450874kwab you've never thrown a punch in your gayass life
>>738453808>I'm literally calmly explaining the nature of social constructivismBe honest, how much have you donated to destiny over the years?
>>738453808Delusion is a social construct, you’re banking on things that don’t exist and show you lack any true cognitive functionality of reasoning skills. Seek psychiatric help. >It's pretty obviously trueTruth does not exist, everything is subjective
>>738453808Lmao you actually unironically think that>wooow duud, its, like, the law isnt perfect maaaanIs in any way shape or form an original thought or deep in any way.
>>738453881Extermination is just lots of murder. Which is not war. And you agree murder is good , extermination is good.
>>738452995>when humans literally evolved to bash each other's skulls in with clubsI think it's the opposite. A while ago, researchers were able to figure out that people are born with an innate sense of right and wrong. From an evolutionary perspective, it makes sense for humans to be born with morals when you realize that all of our development and progress as a species has been the result of collaboration with each other.
>>738453808Oh I get it, you're one of those debate trolls who make short statements and then argue the technicality of language while completely evading the responsibility to fully explain whatever point you allegedly hold in honesty.
>>738453890$0>>738453901Look in the mirror>>738453926That's not my argument>>738453980I was effortposting in detail and look what I got in return, I'm not going to keep repeating myself
>>738454025Lying online isn't a good look.
>>738451180would the little girls who labour let get raped by paki pedophile rapists been raped for 15+ years in rotheram if the pakis weren't in the country in the first place?
>>738452883>nationalitywhat flag you find yourself under first and foremost. Its why whenever abroad nationality is a broad catch all for everything else, if not an accurate indicator>culturewhat behaviours you have>raceskin color>ethnicityrace but less on appearance and amount of midichlorians or some shit. Sub groups of race.Its always how I saw it. I dont care so much about race as I care about culture and nationality, race doesnt have a bearing on culture and nationality, it is only a general approach as people from certain races tend to come from certain places with certain cultures. Again, you wont know a foreigner if they dont act foreign. A measure of any nations merit is that people actually want to become part of the culture that the flag represents even if they cant become part of the race and ethnicity of that place. I hate this modern shite of everywhere just being an economic zone, and the flags are just like different businesses to work under, its so fucking lame, these things are suppose to mean something. Why even fight for a place and its culture if you can just move to the next place where you also dont have to integrate.
>>738453959ESLs and always pretending "synonym" means "exactly the same."Pop quiz, can you name difference between "bite," "munch," and "chomp?"
>>738454025Mirrors are irrelevant what I see will differ from what others see, therefore no answer can be truly accepted.
Did you guys know knives are a human construct and can be used for cutting a cake, sure, but can also be used to stab other people? The power lies with the knife holder, this is so deep.You can thank me later for educating you.
>>738453967humans are inherently social, but also inherently tribal. if you want to view this through a nihilistic lens, you could say that evolutionary morals are just a genetic way for humans to define who is in the group and who is out of the group.
>>738450643TRVKE too big for /v/ to hearThat said crime was actually necessary
>>738452883>Nationality, culture, race, ethnicity; whatever your dividing line, these are all abstract concepts.Yeah not really when animals of the same species flock together and make their own borders. Wanting to be with our own people is fundamental to our biology.
I AI generate Flareon cock pictures
>>738453967>. A while ago, researchers were able to figure out that people are born with an innate sense of right and wrong.Researchers finally catching onto something you can prove by litterally taking candy from a baby and acting aa if this is new knowledge? Shocking.Jokes aside this isnt an actual counter to the point raised, people having innate morals and views of right and wrong is in no way going to stop a person from bashing another persons head in if they think what the other person did is wrong. You might even argue that innate morality drives conflic because different people have different hair colors, so logically they would also have different morality, that different morality will then lead to conflicts with other people.
>>738454025>I was effortposting in detail and look what I got in return, I'm not going to keep repeating myselfIf you think your original statement about pointing out the obvious of crime and criminality being social constructs without any kind of justification or further explanation as to why you felt the need to make that statement and what meaning that has on our lives in a society, then you're not really making any kind of effort either. Any lazy troll can come in and say "property is theft" or some other such crap and pretend they hold some kind of intellectual high ground by being evasive and not forthcoming with the reasons that they think that way.
>>738454195>me when I'm being intentionally obtuseHow am I so much more intelligent than this entire board?
>>738452883>This is pretty abstract, actually. Nationality, culture, race, ethnicity; whatever your dividing line, these are all abstract concepts.Abstract concepts are just social constructs.
>>738451409That 0.01% is already too much. 1 foreigner I have to interact with is 1 too much.
>>738454025But that is your point, you even spelled it out here >>738453808>At most I have advocated for redefining individual crimes, not abolishing the concept of criminality.>woooow man, the law, its, like, not perfect maaaan
>>738450271UwU
modern Xenoblade tendies would lose their shit over Saga. Just as well there will never ever be a remaster.
>>738454274>pointing out the obvious of crime and criminality being social constructsIf you scroll up you'll see that I was literally responding to someone mocking that "obvious" idea, and many people took issue with it or failed to understand what it meant. You're also ignoring my many replies afterwards in which I explained my position in detail.
>>738454267Isn't innate morality inherently selfish simply "what's good for me" but we're taught by our elders to instead be selfless and think "what's good for the tribe"
>>738454074https://youtu.be/ilY91QOkEds?t=260Enjoy.
>>738454349My point is that there are specfic ways in which the law is imperfect due to a particular reason, not something inherent in the concept of law. This is like reducing Newton to "woooow so when you drop an apple it falls maaaaan"
>>738454449>what's good for meIt would be more accurate to say that innate morality is "what I like", but I agree with the point and thats what society is, a balacing act of doing things you like/want to do countered by what everyone else considers as acceptable to do
>>738454570But you did not raise any specific points, you were just vauge, ergo the woow man simplification.The newton example is actually extremely apt, but instead of stopping at>wooow an apple fallsHe calculated out how hars it falls and what causes it.You just said>wooow duud, laws are not, like perfect maaaanRight here>>738453808>t most I have advocated for redefining individual crimes, not abolishing the concept of criminality.In case you forgot or are trying to pretend you didnt say what you said.
>>738454098>Pop quiz, can you name difference between "bite," "munch," and "chomp?"If murder is good but killing is bad, you would kill (but not murder) to be good and do good?
>>738454846Yes, that was in response to people pressing me for solutions, to which I referred them back to the specific examples I gave. But that was all tangential to the point in the first place, which I'm not going to repeat because you can just scroll up. I fucking swear saying anything the least bit insightful on /v/ will first have an army of complete idiots mocking strawmen of it for a couple dozen posts, only for someone after five rounds of explaining extremely basic and obviously true concepts to come in and go "well DUH anyone can see that obviously"
>>738454267>people having innate morals and views of right and wrong is in no way going to stop a person from bashing another persons head in if they think what the other person did is wrongWell, of course, but my point wasn't that humans aren't able to experience conflict.My point was that evidence seems to show humanity evolved so that we could work together instead of just constantly murdering each other on sight like other animals.
>>738455057Saying crime is a social construct is not insightful.
>>738455057Ah so when pressed for a solution you were forced to be vauge? Instead of providing an actual counterargument or expanding on the point?Sure man, sure. Water is wet and you are an intelligence juggernaut for figuring this out.Fucking DSP of philosphy here.
>>738455164Oh yeah? Watch this.Insightfulness is a social construct.Checkmate.
>>738455105>just constantly murdering each other on sight like other animals.Thats not what animals doAlso still not an actual counter because feeling as if you are doing the right thing (a moral stance) is the main reason for almost all conflict in human history
>>738455164You're doing the exact thing right now that I described. >>738455204A solution to what, Anon? Something being a social construct is an observation. I humoured you by giving specific solutions to specific examples I had given of the concept I was explaining but a "social construct" is not inherently a problem to be solved. At no point was I vague. All of you going "yeah water is wet lol" have just spent dozens of posts going "EYOOOO DIS NIGGA THINKS WATER IS WET LOL, WTF, MAN THAT'S INSANE". And you still don't actually grasp the concept as well as you think you do.
>>738450643Just because a concept or term is a social construct that doesn't make said concept or term invalid
>>738455404Oh, I'm sorry, what was the insightful bit, exactly?
>>738455502I am the one person ITT that you don't have to explain that to.
>>738455572Look, Anon, you can't first pretend that I'm dumb for saying something you don't understand, and then when you finally get it, act like you got it all along and I was actually dumb for thinking people didn't get that. Sure, I don't think it's a brillaint insight - it's honestly pretty basic. Which made it all the more baffling that you all needed me to explain it to you, repeatedly, before you started acting like it was all so obvious.
>>738455404All those words and they stil boil down to>wooow duud, its, like, complicated, maaaaan, like society as a whole isMost stoner can manage deeper thought than this, you are not nearly as insightful as you think you are.Also probably like 14 so get off the site, enjoy the last free (You)
>>738455685I didn't read that, could you please quote the insightful but? Then we can move on.
>>738450271If one throwaway line causes you to uninstall the game then I think you need to touch grass mate
>>738455725>>738455750You've accused me several times of pretending not to understand things, but you're pretending to understand things.
>>738455824I skipped your reply because are talking to multiple people and it can be hard to keep track but none of this matters.Can you quote the insightful bit you provided us with?
>>738455895"The idea of "crime" is socially constructed, and the idea that a "criminal" is a separate class of people is used to maintain inequal power structures."
>>738455974How is the fact that justice system is performing it's function insightful?
foreigners are based and racists are retarded
>>738451056japan is used by american jews as a huge money printer and they got hit pretty hard by american propaganda. They think it's impossible for people to be racist to whites and the only racism that can exist is against browns, blacks, reds and yellows so of course they reject racism.
>>738456208>foreigners are based and racists are retardedExactly. The Indian racists that attacked the British foreigners for immigrating there are retarded.
>>738455808>he posts after screeching about seeing an attractive woman in a video gamewho you fooling retard
>>738456201You're adding another insight to it, in factAnyway, at least ten people took issue with my statement, or what they thought they understood of it anyway, so to pretend now, at the end of it all, that it was so obvious as to go without saying is exceedingly asinine.
>>738452995Or society is full of useful idiots and you can say whatever they want to hear to get elected.Talk is cheap, especially for a politician, and words don't necessarily betray intent.
>>738456208>learing center babbleYour time will soon be up
>>738456208why does this image keep getting posted in every thread?
>>738450271>just let people take all your shit bro
>>738456384I'd say the only reason why this sparked such a hubbub is because what you said is in fact, blatantly obvious and a good thing to boot. Only the inane midwit vernacular was the problem that triggered people.
>>738450425Foreigners are very easy to accuse of being foreign.
>>738453835i just said the game is a shallow commentary wtf are you on about retard
>>738455370>Thats not what animals doDude, are you retarded? Animals murder each other all the time. A female praying mantis will eat her mate the moment they're done fucking, ants wage wars against each other with casualties in the trillions, gators eat their own babies if they're hungry.>Also still not an actual counter because feeling as if you are doing the right thing (a moral stance) is the main reason for almost all conflict in human historyThat doesn't disprove my point that people are born inherently good. Morality is something that is shaped by a bunch of external factors and is changed depending on stuff like your upbringing. Most normal people wouldn't be willing to blow themselves up on a school bus full of people, but Muhammad who was born and raised in Tajikistan doesn't give a shit about that because, to him, he's just sending everyone he kills to Allah. So what's the issue?
>>738458836>That doesn't disprove my point that people are born inherently good.a basic understanding of human history disproves this
>>738457736>gets btfo and called out>plays dumb to cope>4chanXThis is why you faggots always fail. You can never back up your own bullshit.
>>738458928Tell me how niggas were doing stuff like this if humans are just a bunch of dumb apes that only think about ways to kill each other.
>>738452092None of your “people” are innocent
>>738459215simple: humans are very, very, very smart apes. they have a hierarchy of needs that they must fulfill. they will kill or cooperate to fulfill these needs. humans have a genetic drive to fit in socially as being in a group is a better way to achieve these needs.
>>738451180>The conflict of interest was over limited resources, again, "foreignness" is not directly relevant to any of your examples.With you so far>This is precisely how rightoids keep saying they need to "protect women from foreigners" whilst themselves being a bunch of abusive rapists. It's not better because a native does it.Oh its just another retard that doesn't understand per capita
>>738450643>>738450749>>738453881None of these are bad. A desire to murder is simply chemical reactions in the brain, therefor, there is nothing inherently tying it to our preconceived notions of morality. It is simply a part of nature.
>>738462369Psueds will type shit like this as if they wouldn't be crying like a bitch for the government to come save them the second someone commits a crime against themfucking embarrassing
>>738462763I'm 6'4. Nobody is doing anything to me.
>>738462369Europeans historically executed about 1% of its male population every generation. The wages of sinning against your fellow man should be death.
