Fuck this game. We need to stop putting things on pedestals. Star Fox is dead because it is NEVER allowed to do anything but rehash this overrated piece of shit over and over.
>>738458893Better than your favorite game, FAG.
It's not like they haven't tried. You have games like Assault, Adventure, and Command. 64 is just way better than all of them.
shut up eric
>>738458893What is so hard about keeping the core design and expanding on it for a sequel?Nintendo has done this COUNTLESS TIMES in its other IPs but for Star Fox its impossible?
>>738459241My favorite games blow this shit out of the park.
>>738458893How come games like Bayonetta, Kingdom Hearts and Ratchet and Clank can casually slip in spaceship rail shooters as a side game but Nintendo is incapable of doing anything but Star Fox 64?
who gives a shit? what would change if starfox 2026 wasnt a remake? absolutely nothing, you stilll go in your arwing and shoot at thingsIf you care about the story lol and lmao get out of my hobby
>>738458893>StarFox is deadThe amount of publicity and attention the IP has gotten in the last month indicates otherwise.
>>738459345Nah.
>>738458893Name a single time Starfox did something else and was successful.
>>738458893The few times they tried to do something new people hated it
use the boost to get through the dogshit thread
>>738459427>>738459406Because they fucked up
What's the meltdown gonna look like when this new StarFox game becomes THE StarFox game everyone plays and identifies the series with?
>>738459365You get to shoot new things instead of the same things I can shoot on my 3DS
>>738459278THIS
>>738459241My favorite game is Metroid Prime 1. A franchise entry that takes the core formula and actually advances it. Something Star Fox is apparently incapable of doing. >>738459278Both Adventure and Assault were loudly and violently rejected for not being exactly like 64. This is one of those cases where the fanbase absolutely harbors some blame.
>>738459538who cares its not about what things you shoot but how you shoot them and this game has new challenge modes and stuff and SF64 and 3DS have pretty shit controls sometimes with the maneuvers so hopefully this fixes it
>>738459527There is no meltdown. Every generation gets its own "huh that was just fine, I guess" reaction to Star Fox 64
>>738459527Hopefully fuckin glorious. They can either play or original 64 or this and everyone else can just get wrecked.
>>738458893No one under 35 has played SF64Do you realize that?If you want to reboot the IP you MUST make a 64 remake, it looks like this time it might actually stick and we will get a sequel next
>>738458893just make a fucking third person bullet hell thats on par or better than this. I dont understand why its so fucking hard to copy a winning formula. No, every game does not need to innovate, innovation when its unneeded is shit retard tranny nonsense for faggots who want to be original and not make something that actually good.
A little while ago, there was this expose on Blizzard, and how it turns out the reason they struggle to get new games out is because every time they try, someone goes "Okay, but is it as good as Brood War?", and the project is cancelled.
>>738459678No one under 35 played Kid Icarus when Kid Icarus Uprising came out yet that game did just fine. What is this retarded cope.
>>738459807Uprising is a remake of the NES game you stupid motherfucker eric
>>738459608>>738459624No one is running back to play the 64 or the SNES versions after this drops uncs.
>>738459776i wish they would have asked this question when they made starcraft 2: women strong faggotry and shit balance.
They only do this with Star Fox. It's fucking weird.
>>738459872No its not
>>738458893I agree that it needs to move on, but that doesn't absolve 64 from being a good game. None of its rehashes have a real reason to exist because it still holds up perfectly well.
>>738459875You wont get anone with thatIm an unc that loves all SF games And you are also 40 so stop this unc shit
>>738459932Yes it fucking is you didnt even fucking play itYou beat medusa and then the game continues, its a remake with added content like zero mission
>>738459913If they did this shit with all the IPs they made 10/10 games from in the snes and n64 era, nintendo would still be in the golden age.
>>738459807I'm still baffled Kid Icarus got revived, became a must buy system seller for a previously failed handheld and was so big that it got a title card in the Smash 4 trailer... And then Nintendo abandoned it. How often does a litwho NES game with zero fans get successfully revived? I get Sakurai does whatever he wants but there is no reason why whoever's in charge of Nintendo can't give Kid Icarus Upper Rising: Rise Higher to a promising intern
>>738459551Prime is fucking trash, it's a disgrace to Super (which is also overrated)>one-stick first person movement feels terrible >extremely cramped 60° FOV especially bad since you must lock in place to be able to even turn your head slightly>for some reason manually aiming up and down is some herculean effort and you must jam the stick for like 5+ seconds just to slowly crawl your arm up>numerous areas are near pitch black dark with no flashlight (or even suit glow)>constant backtracking and ping-ponging to opposite ends of the world>new power-up paths all result in dead-ends aside from the one prescribed critical path (the game even recognizes its progression and navigation are terrible which is why it blatantly signposts everything with a literal quest marker)>bosses are dull Simon Says dogshit>no consistent way to farm missiles back if you waste them aside from backtracking all the way back to the ship or one of the few rare missile refill stations>scanning shit constantly is incredibly tedious and boring>enemies offer no incentive to bother with them and you can just run right past 90% of them barely taking a scratch>environments are extremely bland and generic (hot zone, cold zone, grass zone, rock zone)>environments are very visually flat and hard to read (especially in conjunction with the narrow FOV and restricted camera movement)>first-person platforming sections with a 60° FOV unsurprisingly feel terrible>map system is mostly fine except transitions between areas require you to completely exit that area, scroll over to the other area map, and then manually line up where the two meet >movement is incredibly underwhelming compared to Super Metroid and you are constantly starting and stopping>last third of the game becomes a shitty cover shooter in a game with some of the absolute worst combat and first person controls out there>cockblocks you at the end with massive long backtracking fetch quest for all the remaining chozo artifacts
>>738459991>You beat medusa and then the game continues...so its not a remake, its a sequel that uses the original game as a preamble
>>738458893No.The problem is that they never did a proper rehash sequel.It needs to be mainly on rails missions. That's the core of Star Fox.All sequels fucked things up.Adventure was just a Zelda clone and reskinned as a Star Fox game.Assault had poor gameplay (on ground sections).Command had shitty all range mode everywhere.Zero fucked up hard by introducing shitty gimmicks and shitty vehicles.
Imagine if they stopped making 3D Marios just because 64 exist. They only act this way with Star Fox.
>>738460184So in other words, the other games aren't exactly like Star Fox 64, and are therefore bad.
>>738459913>>738460257Seriously, why is it only Star Fox that gets this? Even fucking Animal Crossing goes out of its way to properly iterate. The fucking farming sim is more of a proper franchise. That's fucked up.
Assault hate is overblown. It's fine. The on-rail sections are incredible and the multi-player was cool for the time period. Ground sections weren't good but it's at least 50% a good game and 50% meh. You'd think it's a miserable experience from reputation though. Nothing like the slogfest of Command. >>738460083It's basically a Sakurai franchise now. It has the same design philosophy as Smash Bros and Air Ride, both of which Nintendo would rather "hold" than let another director do and upset Sakurai. Also the amount of content and obsession is something only really Sakurai has the passion for at Nintendo anyway.
>>738459551If those games were of exceptional quality then they'd be hailed on the same level if not higher than 64. Reality is they're not good games and nintendo knows it. You secretly know it too.
Star Fox 64 is a fun and timeless classic that has stood the test of time, which can be said about very few Nintendo games. It's right up there with ALTTP, Super Metroid, DKC2, Animal Crossing, Pikmin 1+2, Super Mario Galaxy, and Paper Mario 64
>>738459551>My favorite game is Metroid Prime 1.metroid prime 1 is insanely overrated, star fox 64 mogs it to death
>>738460910They were good games. But because they weren't the exact same as 64, Star Fox fans hated them. You people don't deserve anything.
>>738460569Assault is what needed to be rebooted the most though. Now that nintendo is willing to bring back the chicken walker from star fox 2 rebooting assault would mean the ground sections can be redone into something better without being on-foot.
>we have to call this good game bad because the company who made it keeps remaking itHow about no and also you're a retard? How about that?
>>738461515Why are Star Fox fans so pissy about the idea of the on-foot sections? The titualar protagonists are mercenaries. They fucking shoot people for a living. The actual issue with Assault's on-foot sections is the repetitive objectives. Moron. >>738461586Ho about you fucking kill yourself, catposting twat.
>>738458893i prefer Lylat wars as the title
>>738461978>Ho about
>>738459551Yeah I'm sure everyone was asking for 64 again and not just keeping and iterating on its gameplay style along with new content.
>>738459872It's a direct sequel and not shy about mentioning that multiple times in dialogue.
>it's impossible to expand on a game, you MUST make each new game totally radically different than the lastretard
>>738458893there's literally nothing stopping them from making a different game, they just recognize star fox 64 is the best game of all time.
>>738460569Assault is the best post-64 entry and I really don't think that should be a point of contention.
>>738461978>Why are Star Fox fans so pissy about the idea of the on-foot sections?Because they're not what makes Star Fox fun. Would you defend somebody taking Gradius and adding sidescrolling platformer missions ala Contra? Let me know if you need more recent examples.
>>738462292Who's contending that? Seems to me more like people are talking about the quality of the game itself.
>>738462292Sure but its a 7/10 follow up to a 10/10 game. We have the right to criticize it
>>738461978You really don't need on-foot missions anyway. There's now TWO if not even more land vehicles that can be used and the repetitive objectives problem is just namco retooling the coop adventure mode into a single player campaign and still half-assing it.
Star Fox will ALWAYS be a rail shooter game.
>Star Fox should never be on fo-
>>738462414Personally I always wished we got one of those Sector X mechs to pilot
>>738462464-otStar Fox should never be on foot
>>738459551Adventure was literally an entirely different game that was produced for the 64 and changed at the last minute to include the Starfox team. I think it's also the title that soured Nintendo and Rare's relationship irreparably. It was very sloppy. Assault was ass, it's just not good. Command was decent, that was a fun iteration on the main formula, but most of the maps were just All-Range Mode and set up like that one Independence Day parody mission in 64. If they just made a game that played like 64 and SNES they'd be fine. Think of like Mega Man X. X2 and X3 were really good iterations on the first and essentially they were just rehashes with different content, but they're generally good games. Nintendo doesn't know what the fuck to do with Starfox, so they play the safe bet over and over because so far it's made them lots of money (Super Mario RPG Remaster, for example, did extremely well)
>>738460569Assault if anything is underhated due to how people shilling it constantly praise it as being the best title on the series and creates false narratives like nintendo deliberately sabotaging it due to jealousy towards Namco making a better game or how its multiplayer is on par with other shooters at the time.
>>738461978Correct. That, and the slightly awkward control scheme. With a little bit of elbow grease, Assault could've been a great game, and as it stands it remains a strong concept. I'd like to see Nintendo try it again.
>>738459331Because the timeline set by the games after 64 just isn't good>Andross is dead for good so we've lost our iconic villain no attempt to one-up has successfully replaced>Except that one time he brought himself back from the dead somehow>Peppy's retired>And all the clusterfucks that happened with Command that no one in their right mind wants to ever dare touchIf the new game is good and well received, you can figure out something from there
>>738459241My favorite is xcom ufo defense. STILL considered lightning in a bottle, getting attempts at spiritual successors, and filters out retards.
>>738462554>and creates false narrativesA shitpost ceases to work if you call your own actions out in the middle of it.
>>738459527>when this new StarFox game becomes THE StarFox game everyone playsYeah, that's not gonna happen. It will mostly be nostalgic millenials buying this game. Star Fox memes aren't gonna come back and be a big part of the current gen's memes 10 years from now the way stuff like "do a barrel roll" was. That ship has sailed.
>>738461321>They were good games.Adventures maybe but definitely not the case with Assault.
>>738462523>Star Fox should never be on footItcould work, but they would have to redesign the way it works and actually create engaging on foot mechanics. Mobility options, weapon types, level design need to be addressed. I don't think people would mind Assault of it played like KI:U
>>738461978They break up the flow of the Arwing sections. The best Star Fox games give you a full challenge run from one Arwing level to the last. Having on-foot sections means your Arwing sections are interrupted, and those are kind of what the game is best at and most people want.The Blue Marine and Landmaster are well received, but imagine a SF64 where you HAD to play in them all the time, they'd not be as divisive as on-foot sections but they'd be a sore spot in discussion. Now imagine if every route in SF64 had no choice but to go into the same on-foot level that no one liked before you could get back to a branching arcade run
>>738462745Oh I completely agree, I just wanted to spite someone for doing le funny didn't finish the sentence meme
>>738462595Assault is fundamentally a flawed game with mediocre mechanics. It would need a substantial rehauling to be better which at that point would may as well be a brand new game. Nothing about it holds up by genre standards.
>>738462607>Timeline is fuckedNah, just pull an XCOM2 and say that the canon ending was the Easy path, so Andross is still out there. Instafix'd. Put Krystal in there in place of Peppy (gooner bait), add one of the girls from the SNES game that never made it in (the dog or the cat, again, gooner bait) and you're golden. Game does booku billions, you kick back on a villa in Argentina and blow your brains out when Interpol closes in on your position. Absolute success.
>>738462532>I think it's also the title that soured Nintendo and Rare's relationship irreparably.That is not true at all. Nintendo people involved with making adventures had a positive experience with rare even at that time. They didnt purchase rare due to the price being too high for them and a lot of rare stuff leaving which left a company with less talent compared to their golden era in the 90s. Also rare's best selling titles were licensed games like James Bond or nintendo own IPs so rare themselves didnt seem like a crown jewel out of a bunch of other game studios nintendo could and would contract to make games for them.
>>738460396Because every game after 64 ranged from trash from mediocre, so they're just repeating what they know works
>>738462464>Optional barebones bonus mode 99% of players don't unlock
>>738459551Assault would be a perfect evolution of the series if it had branching paths and if on-foot gameplay wasn't so clunky.
>>738462818Which is why you polish up the mechanics and design better missions, which was the general suggestion.
>>738462607>>Except that one time he brought himself back from the dead somehowTo be fair andross returning is far from a new concept even back then. He returned several more times outside of adventures as well.
how do you evolve the on-rails shooter genre?
>>738462607>>738463063>Somehow...
>>738463073I dunno but Ace Combat is on their 8th game and it seems to be doing swimmingly and I imagine it's not just endless remakes of Ace Combat 2
>>738463073More diverging paths and optional objectives and stuff. That's what made SF64 fun in the first place.
>>738459872>Dialogue references the events of the first game>A third person/rail shooter is somehow a remake of a 2D platformerAre you blind and deaf? Or just retarded?
>>738463073With the power of generative AI we'll create an off-rails shooter sirs
>>738462989Oh. I thought Nintendo was sore about Adventures since they really hate putting Krystal anywhere; she's like the Waluigi of the Mario series but for the Starfox series.
>>738463073There are plenty of ways. Star Fox hadn't even gotten to the 4 way on rails gameplay the Panzer Dragoon introduced. They could have added new weapons two, like maybe close range weapons that allow you to turn aerial maneuvers into attacks, like offensive barrel rolls or something. There is a shit ton of things they could do, but they never even try.
>>738463073You're asking a damn good question. Nintendo is always trying to throw something new in the mix when it comes to sequels so this is something they're going to have to figure out if they have a follow-up planned for this.I wouldn't be surprised if they end up deciding to make something that's not a rail shooter at all. Like maybe something more open with lush built out planets and a variety of interesting encounters.
>>738462709Anon, with this polish, feel, content, and online multiplayer, this will be the way everyone wants to play and experience StarFox. I'm not claiming that it will make the series massive and start getting sequels, but I am saying when someone says "I wanna play StarFox" this will be what they play.
>>738463142Ace Combat has it's own weird thing going on where BAMCO doesn't want to advance the timeline both out of shame from AC3's flop and because they don't want to put in the effort to make a game set in the future
>>738458893Ok.
>>738463252I think Nintendo is painfully aware of Krystal's status as certain type of icon and it rubs them the wrong way.
>>738463391Krystal rubs them the wrong way but Splatoon sluts are free to walk with their tummies out????
>>738463073like some have already said, have diverging paths, or limited movements.2 Spicy is a light gun game so it's not really 1:1 with Star Fox, but it's still on-rails like Starfox and so could implement some elements of limited movement from 2 Spicy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YEm59vdLsk
>>738463073Maybe do something like Armored Core, like make it so you can customize your ship in appreciable ways. Faster engines, different weapon types, higher tiers of blasters, super nuclear bombs, could go wild there. If you really wanna do something nuts, make it a roguelite so that you earn parts and pieces by doing side missions or other merc work since Starfox is a mercenary unit
>>738463446it's the underage squid cunnie. Nintendo cant goon to krystal because shes an adult
>>738458893If anything, 64 is what really killed Star Fox. Not becuase it is bad, but the opposite. It's too good. And I think Nintendo at this point is fully aware of it, hence why they will never make a true follow up to it. It would be endlessly compared to 64, and unfairly judged for that, even is said follow up was another fantastic game. 64 just peaked the franchise and the genre way too early, to the point of barely any room for improvement.
>>738458893>star fox>sacred cowin what worldnobody really gives a shit about a glorified rail shooter in this day and age
>>738463452Also, have multiple playable characters. Introduce a Star Wolf campaign. Let us play as Bill, Katt, Miyu, Fay. There are a fuck ton of way to iterate on 64 and they have never made an honest attempt.
>>738463073YAS DUDE I WANT A ON-RAIL SHOOTER TO NOT PLAY LIKE AN ON-RAIL SHOOTERYAS DUDE JOURNALISM INVESTORS HERE WE GO YAS YAS QUEEN SLAY
>>738462607The Aparoids were a cool replacement for Andross. It's sci-fi, you can take inspiration from a million different sources for settings & villains that aren't the Lylat Wars & Andross. Just treat Command as non-canon
>>738463665>Star Wolf Campaign>Team B Campaign/Playable Side Characters>Squadmate swaps (switch out Slippy for any of the other characters)>Each ship has slightly different stats so they are actually unique (as long as its balanced, cool)>Customizable ship systems and weapons>Rogue-lite replayability and upgrade systemYeah desu this sounds like it'd be amazing. Why doesn't Nintendo let /v/ make their games, this shit sounds awesome
>>738463734https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5AIE8Zbxoo
>>738458893I think even the most diehard fan would say it's time to move on.Surely they can just keep the engine and make new levels. It shouldn't be too hard.
The more I interact with Star Fox subhumans, the more I'm glad the rail shooter genre is fucking dead. This shit should only ever be a subsection of real video games.
>>738463073Just look at Panzer Dragoon or Sin and Punishment. Those games have eclipsed Star Fox for a long time. Star Fox rests on its goodwill from its first 2 games and people recognizing Fox & Falco from Smash
>>738463850>IdolRetro channel>It's SF64
>>738462464please put this in the remake, it was kino and only the cool kids ever unlocked it
>>738458893They need to break the cycle soonSince they're rebooting with the standalone StarFox title, I'm hoping for a reimagined StarFox 2 as a sequelThere's no way they can reboot it again, this has to be the final iteration
>>738463897Should I know what that means? I just used the search bar and clicked the first relevant video
>>738459372Other than the movie cameo it feels like Zero all over again, except Zero wasn't met with such backlash before release.
>>738458893>rumble pakgod it was a better time
>>738459750So saros?
>>738463746Aparoids were cool, basically the Star Fox equivalent of Tyranids.
>>738464012Zero didn't have another failed reboot attempt preceding it
>"Star Fox 64 is da bestest game evar!!!"
>>738463987
For the last ten years since the previous “Lylat Wars again” game the fandom has pretty much been in agreement that Assault was a logical progression, that just needed more love put into the single player. All they needed to do was Assault 2 with a bigger branching campaign and online multiplayer. Krystal sexy posing in a plugsuit while cradling a machine gun added for emphasis.
>>738459551Star fox is such a boring, stupid game. People only liked it because of the polygonal graphics gimmick which was rare at the time. The first in the history of SNES but not the first polygonal 3d game though. There were a few released in the 80s.
>>738458893This "new" one is literally the fifth remake of Star Fox SNESNintendo has lost their fucking minds
>>738460910Adventures is better than half the Zelda franchise, people only don't like it because it has the star fox name slapped on it.
Just make 64 but with a new plot and levels?A regular sequel?
>>738461148Pikmin 2 blows, the average indie roguelike is better than it.
>>738464282Did you see what they did to Katt, a talking head that shows up briefly in like 2 levels? They're never going back to this Krystal
>>738461256They're both overrated
>>73846428664 was more popular and onrail shooters are kino doelabeit n u just a faggot>sin n punishment> house of the dead>time crisis>umbrella chronicles >panzer dragoonhow much of a nigger do you even have to be to hate video games that are 100% gameplay
>>738464175>unlimited torpedos>better controls than the LandmasterThe Blue Marine was awesome.
>>738464367No I didn't like it because Prince Tricky is a FAGGOT but Krystal was pretty hot so I kept going
>>7384642821) Literally why isn't this game Assault 2? That's all I fucking wanted. Like, Assault came out before the standard third person control scheme that we're all used to was codified, so all a follow up would need is to just do that. 2) I don't think there has even been a character more vindicated than Krystal. No one is ever allowed to claim that she somehow ruined the franchise ever again. Notice how even Boco has kept his bitch ass mouth shut. Krystal literally did nothing wrong.
>>738464450Real talk, we dodged a bullet on this one.
>>738464367bullshiiiiiii...maybe post WWi dunno, been 20 years since i played it, hell the only thing i remember not liking was having to feed tricky all the time
>>738462709I genuinely wonder, Metroid had more broad appeal with human characters and a less revolting artstyle and it still failed to break a million
>>738464367Dinosaur Planet/Adventures is just Banjo without a jump button.
>>738463970Will be uncanny with the new legs, imagine if they make them run on all fours like wild assault
>>738459241My favorite game has the same problem. I still don't like that it's a problem.
>>738462709DO AN AILERON ROLL
>>738464635They hate Krystal because they're all gay and it interferes with their ships. That's it. That's the only reason. They have a persecution complex, and by making Fox straight, that's somehow "erasing" them from existence, and invalidating their gayness.
You should have bought Assault.
>>738464723Not committed to the uncanny hyper realism enough, she should have 4 bras>>738464743>post WWExactly, that's like half the franchise
>>738465169Assault should have been a better game.
>>738465058That's the same thing that happened to Relena Peacecraft. Shippers really are the fucking worst.
>>738464723Just make her tits bigger and she's fuckable
>>738465058Makes no sense since they like Fara, Katt, Miyu and Fay, this was always a retarded argument
Does Krystal have human feet or animal feet?
>>738465289We actually saw her feet in adventures and she had 3 toes, so...
I don't knowI know the presentation they said the game is based on the N64 gameBut maybe there will be something new?I just think with current hardware and rehash of the war, there shouldn't any reason they couldn't pull off something like AC3. Having a general plot but multiple pathway in terms of story and missions. And maybe even multiple endings?Like if you follow the same action as you did with SF64, you will get the same ending as the old 64 game. But if you fail some mission objectives or even late in decision making, it would take you to another mission. It would be a rather interest new take on the old NES/64 plot. But then again AC3's story structure is very ambitious even by modern standard.
>>738465223Shippers ruin everything, from comic books to video games>>738465260None of those characters directly interferes with their ship/pose any kind of immediate threat, whereas Krystal was more or less made so Fox could have a girlfriend/wife
>>738465037You know the IP is stale because at no point have ANY of the games made a joke about how Peppy, a veteran pilot, misidentified that maneuver. >Peppy: Do a barrel roll!>Krystal: Um, Peppy. Is that not an aileron roll? >everyone stares>Krystal: It's just, I've been studying, and I just noticed that... >everyone stares at her to shut the fuck up>Krystal: N-never mind.
>>738458893I would have agreed with your subject but then you proceeded to call this masterpiece of a game overrated so no fuck you. It is not overrated. Its the best railshooter of all time. I don't agree with them remaking it 3 times over but to say this game is overrated is just blind hatred.
>>738465548>Its the best railshooter of all time.The bar's that low, huh? How grim.
>>738459551my frens and i liked Assault quite a lot when we were kids, the multiplayer was fun
>>738465438UM ACKSHUALLY is usually not a funny joke, however, so you'd have to do something else. Aileron is also just not fun to say even if it's more correct.
>>738465169I was 5 when it came out and I wanted to play Smash & Pokemon instead
>>738463391Miyamoto was the one who told Rare to sex her up.
>>738465260Only true doom murderheads know about Fara, Miyu and Fay and they ain't even canon. Katt is not apart of the team.
>>738465625What exactly is bad about the game? Which shooter is better than it?
>>738458893It's rail shooter. It can't even be called an arcadey flight sim. It's mind-boggling that they tried every trick in the book with this franchise other than trying to make it reach at least Rogue Squadron's level of complexity.
>>738465864What are you talking about? Its presentation was seen as revolutionary at the time. Nintendo used to be on the cutting edge
>>738464282Krystal's actual ingame model/art is fucking disgusting and I'm surprised by the amount of fanart she gets. Obviously the fans fix her ugly face but still.
>>738464282Assault 2 would get mogged hard by the other online shooters on switch 1 and 2. Br grateful you present these as hypothetical and they never actually get implemented.
How hard is Treehouse going to localize the game?
>>738466025>presentationvisual gimmicks, yeah
>>738458893Daily reminder, if you didnt support adventures, assault and command back in the day because they were not like 64, you dont have any rights to compaint about it. You got exactly what you deserved
>>738465910The fact that Miyamoto tapped Rare for a Star Fox game but not Factor 5 is proof that he is not the genius people claim he is.
>>738459750>third person bullet hell thats on par or better than thisENTER
>>738465657I would add some interpersonal banter to the levels. It wouldn't be 'set in stone' per se, but instead you could get a new/different conversation every playthrough. Make tons of these so that players have some fun as they replay the levels over and over. The team can make just casual banter during calmer parts of missions, talk about life, etc. And for the more homosexual tryhards that don't like fun, they could limit this so they don't talk as much. I think it'd be fun tho, just hearing Falco and Slippy going off about something stupid and Peppy trying to rope them back into the task at hand, would at least freshen up each run instead of the same exact dialogue every single time.
>>738465864you are brown
>>738464421The caves and combat/bossfights are a ton of fun and more than make up for the downgraded overworld compared to 1
>compaint
>>738466048Witcher 3 and skyrim mog BotW and yet zelda sold way better than them on the switch, it's all about the brand name
>>738466208FUCK that shit
>>738466357>Witcher 3 and skyrim mog BotWthese are three different game genres anon
I hear star fox assault was good, how come we never get more of that game
>>738459750>No, every game does not need to innovate investor herelol lmao even
>>738465438>You know the IP is stale because there is no millennial writinggo back
>>738466551Because it wasn't good.
>>738459278ok but if doing a different genre is the problem why can't they just make a new story and levels that aren't just rehashing the exact same shit they've done 5 timeslike this entire controversy would be non-existent if they didn't explicitly show that the game is doing nothing new at all
>>738466551Stuck on a console no one bought
>>73846655164 purists hated it because it was way too complex for them
>>738466551I love how good of bait this is
>>738466614They were unironically filtered by the tank controls
>>738466503holy filtered
>>738464723>krystal if she frieren
Starfox 64, Sin and Punishment and the two umbrella chronicles games are goated pew pew games.house of the dead, gay man with wings for the 3ds and time crisis are cringe and gay
>>738458893Not even the best arcade flight game on n64.Nintendo should've copied Factor 5s homework and made starfox into a Rogue Squadron/Battle for Naboo clone the series would be infinitely better for it. "On rails" shooters belong in arcades from 30 years ago and have no place in the modern gaming landscape outside of low budget indie projects.
Why do people say star fox 64 is so good?It's a mediocre arcade style game. I'm 40 years old, I had it on the N64 when it came out and I don't even think I ever beat it because every time I would play I'd get bored with it a few planets into the playthrough. My friend Max liked it though I guess.I even bought Star Fox Adventure on the gamecube, never beat that either, and I have Star Fox Assault on the gamecube though, played a bit of that too but again I don't think I ever beat it. Star Fox seems like a pretty mediocre franchise at least to me.
>>738466551It's called Kid Icarus Uprising and it was one of the best games on the 3DS
>>738466551Never trust anyone that says Assault was good. It's a 4/10 at best and that is being insanely generous.
>>738465425Fara does, and so does Katt to a lesser extent with Falco, it's only Miyu and Fay that don't canonically have a crush on any of the male characters, Lucy doesn't either but most of the fandom pretends she doesn't exist.
>>738459406Command was actually good, and so was assault.
>>738466135That anon was saying it was boring because of its "primitive 3D" when it was just about as amazing as a game could look and sound for its time on top of being a well made rail shooter
>>738458893People who love star fox 64 the most know it’s near perfect and are the biggest complainers of its constant rehashing because it’s never going to reach that high no matter what.
>>738466939rare gamepilled pepeso gamepilled his head turned into an xbox controllerwhat a sight to behold
>>738467086SF64 is like a two hour game, you must have turbo zoomer attention span
>>738466027Newsflash, anon. Older 3D models are rough, and people used promo art and renders plus their imagination to fill in the gaps. Krystal is beloved for the same reason characters like Malon, Lara Croft, and Tifa Lockheart are beloved.
Command gave me an NTR fetish
>>738467402big boobs?
>>738466027To me it’s her massive bobblehead that makes her look bad.
>>738467443I can't believe Krystal got black'dpanther'd
>>738467086>A few planets into the playthroughA level in Star Fox 64 lasts like 5-6 minutes
>>738467223>as amazing as a game could look and sound for its timewhich ages like milk
>>738467086A 64 playthrough is less than an hour. How’d you get bored that fast
Do an Sonic Mania and hire the fans for the new game
>>738467535It's the neck being impossibly skinny with the giant head that does it. She should have a thick neck like Tigress or something, then just lots of fluff up top. Give her big knockers and a bikini, let her show off and be the sexy one of the group, that's cool. Hell, I hope she gets one of those new lumbering monster beast forms the other guys got for the new one, I'd like to see what the team actually does with that.
>>738467393>>738467585>>738467630because back then if you didn't like something you just took the cartridge out and put something else in since you were often playing with friendsI mean I remember the first planet in the game pretty well because I probably played through it many times before taking the game out and putting something else in to play
>>738467485Short answer? Yes. They all have big tits and fit a personality type that men find desirable.
>>738466685They weren't good by any standards
>>738467630He's a lying faggot that never played any of the Starfox games, he's just in here to stir the pot
>>738465905>What exactly is bad about the game?Looks like shit, has a bad framerate, annoying voice acting, the characters are all one note, hit detection is iffy, the Blue Marine is shit, the Landmaster is shit, and the controls are sluggish. Fuck you, your childhood is fake. >Which shooter is better than it?>"You're only allowed to like something if it's the bestest thing ever!"We as a society need to kill this attitude.
>>738458893Starfox is a railshooter, cope.
>>738466596My sentiments exactly. Make an on-rail shooter just like SF64 except with brand new levels and story. You’d also have to somehow tap into meme magic and make EVERY line of dialogue insanely quotable, but it’s possible.
>>738467587>One of the most quotable games of all time aged like milk>The Arwing, Great Fox, and classic Star Fox team aged like milkYou are lying
>>738467634Mania is trash and Sonic was never good. Kill yourself.
>>7384678931/10 ragebait
>>738467778Maybe railshooters are just a bad genre and people should just stop making them.
>>738467953It's weird how adamant people are that out of all the franchises, Star Fox is the one that just isn't allowed to change. Railshooters are mobile game tier and always have been.
>>738468000Nintendo is the one that's adamant about that.
>>738467848most jap games are quotable because of how wonky asian dialogue is but only a few of them go viral and turn into memes like "do a barrel roll" and "all your base are belong to us" from zero wing
>>738468035Miyamoto is, not Nintendo. Miyamoto's been hands-on involved with Star Fox since 64 3D.
>>738459603challenge mode already existed in the form of high scores/medals. what they're adding is the equivalent of achievements.
>>738465058>They hate Krystal because they're all gay and it interferes with their ships. That's it. That's the only reason. They have a persecution complex, and by making Fox straight, that's somehow "erasing" them from existence, and invalidating their gayness.Lol that might be it. Reminds of the meltdowns that pic related caused.
>>738468105Not to be rude but can he fucking retire already.
>>738467934>objective fact is considered baitUh huh. Fuck off back to your containment thread. >>738468000It's not allowed to change because... um... it's just not, okay?! Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Donkey Kong, Splatoon, Animal Crossing, even fucking Pokemon, etc? ALL of the others are allowed to try new things, but not Star Fox, because fuck you.
>>738468000Biggest issue for non rail shooter star fox is surprisingly lack of choice. That’s probably the biggest selling point of Star fox. Playing differently should lead to an increasingly changing playthrough. I think something like Assault could have worked if it was refined and way less linear
>people seething this hard because they unironically think Starfox Adventures is the correct direction for the franchiseYou know that wasn't even supposed to be a Starfox game, right?I wouldn't even mind if they made Adventures 2, but this is like getting mad that Mario Galaxy isn't a Mario RPG sequel. You aren't an actual fan of this franchise...What Starfox needs is a new game *like* 64, not something else entirely. The closest we ever got to that was Zero, and Zero was still packed with stupid bullshit like gyro copter stages that weren't very fun.
>>738468000It's a more or less dead franchise I enjoy. Obviously I want more of them.Obviously the world does not need more third person shooters or action adventure games.If you're pining over Starfox Adventures and Assault, just play the Star Wars Jedi games, or literally Zelda or Metroid, and get over it.You already have like 50 cakes that you aren't eating.
>>738467402>it was rough back then mayneNah. Malon and Tifa had cute models even for low-poly, and they also had good official 2D art. Are you telling me pen and pencil is outdated?Krystal has always looked ayylmao in official art, and this is gamecube gen. There is no excuse for her to be this derpy when Fox looks better than her in the same game. Her head is bigger, her eyes are twice as big affixed with a permanent vacant stare, and her snout is weirdly pinched. That's just her official design, not because of tech limitations. Even Sakurai kept the same look in Smash Ultimate as an assist trophy.
>>738468184This was worse because Luka was always part of the Bayonetta series, and the first game leaned pretty heavily into Bayonetta and him being hot for another. At least with Star Fox, prior to Adventures, you could extrapolate a sort of “navy gay” fantasy out of a bunch of dudes in spaceships with women being few in number and very infrequent.
>>738468497she looks like shit but furfags are mentally ill and worship the grotesque
>>738468497i'm starting think you are just gay
>>738468192I wouldn't call it rude, it's a fact that Miyamoto has always been the George Lucas of Nintendo. He's an idea's guy first and foremost, but he really struggles with originality. I also would not be surprised in the slightest if he has some weird petty gripe over story in... well, anything. Just look at the Mario movies. The Mario Galaxy movie may as well just be a bunch of flashing colors on screen and constant key jangling. Not to mention Sticker Star, as if anyone could forget how fucking bad that game was. He wants everything to be as safe and uniform as humanly possible, to the point of making it completely sterile.>>738468351>>738468476You say shit like this, and yet you never actually support the franchise in any meaningful way aside from emulating 64. I quite literally do not care about your opinion in the slightest. If you don't put up, then just shut up. Don't even kid yourselves with the excuse that you'll totally buy this game, because I already know that you won't.
>>738468497Krystal looks fine here. It's falco that looks weird here with his long nead.
>>738468184Yeah, fucking faggots are the absolute worst. I would want them to give the rest of the Starfox team girlfriends too just to make the shipping queers kill themselves in real time, HD. It would make sense if Starfox team was gay if they were in the Navy, but they're space mercenaries. Those are usually bisexual at worst.
>>738468645I bought Starfox Command and Zero, because I was hoping they were like 64, which they largely weren't. I don't know what else you want me to do to support the franchise.Post on "fandom" sites about how I want to fuck Panther?
>>738468667*head, sorry
>>738468297You got non-linearity in Command and it was horrible.
>>738468559True, but Platinum also walked it back and basically wrote Luka out of the story in 2.
>>738468740Let's not pretend that anything about Command was well executed
>>738459551>My favorite game is Metroid Prime 1. A franchise entry that takes the core formula and actually advances it. No it does not. There's a reason Speed boosting was removed from Prime 1 and removing features is far from advancing anything
I don't see any of you explaining why you can't just play the Star Wars Jedi games, or like Halo or Ratchet and Clank or something.Your tastes are literally being catered to. You just want MORE shit.
>>738468740Good idea, very poor execution. Team that handled it were like a bunch of poos that didn't know English or how to program, barely sentient barely humans.
>>738468852Shut up, fag
>>738468852It's almost like people like the characters or something, crazy thought, I know. Especially to zoomers that only watch other people play video games. Not every game needs to be Function vs. Function where all of the characters are squares and triangles.
>>738468945>>738468949>dude, I just want to look at fox asses. This is the only reason I play video gamesAt least you admit it.
>>738468964Everyone already stopped talking about Silksong a month after it released
>>738468740well you have to make the game good too. Also that game had way too much focus on personal story. I think Star fox’s personal stories overall don’t matter. It should be about the worlds, cultures, new characters you get to see and interact with. I don’t give a shit about Fox getting cucked by Krystal. Something like star fox adventure being on mainly one planet is lame
>>738468712>Those are usually bisexual at worst.Sounds good to me. Would Krystal and would Fox.
>>738469019>Why would a furry choose to play one of the very few games with anthropomorphic characters in it?Show me another space opera game with furries that isn't some shitty indie game, go ahead
>>738460184Take splatoon tier shooting for assault ground shooting.Add branching paths.Add blue marine.Keep on rails missions for arwing,landmaster, and blue marine.There ya go.Perfect sequel.Assault was de facto the way to keep the IP going,it just needed refinement.>>738460257Because you niggers shit and puss yiyrself with rage the second yiu see it isn't 100% just starfox64 again.Ffs zero wasn't even starfox64 but you never even played it just repeat shit posting.
>>738469051>muh worldbuildingIn Starfox?The series where you play as a fox called Fox?
>>738459241fpbp
>Yet another remake on Switch 2>Ugly as fuck character redesignsYeah, nothing sacred here. Nindendo is clearly profit-maxing with the laziest releases I've ever seen from a studio, it's just endless low-effort nostalgia bait at this point. As they say "you'll buy it anyway"
>>738469131I don't think furries should get to claim video game franchises, just because they get hard to animals. You people are a fucking blight.Starfox is about shooting things in space, and characters saying silly lines.
>>738468852>Star Wars JediYou mean Republic Commando or Battlefront? >HaloNot a space shooter. Reach(?) has that ONE segment where you pilot a fighter.>Ratchet and ClankHasn't had vehicle segments since 3.
>>738458893No, it's not our fault. They are the ones who made a mess of Star Fox, and they've been living in the mess for so long they forgot what it was supposed to be and how to clean it up.
>>738469284>it needs equal parts running around on the ground and piloting ships!Play Star Citizen then.
>>738469283>characters saying silly lines.MCUtards need to be purged.
>>738469376>game from 1997
>>738469358>just play the scam "game" that STILL isn't out of early access...
>>738459278Even if it is so much better (I personally like Assault, Adventures and Command better) that still doesn't justify remaking the same game over and over again. SF64 itself was already an unoriginal rehash that replaced a sequel.Star Fox might actually be the most mishandled IP in gaming.
>>738469162Yea the world building in star fox is cool. I want to see more of the creative concepts they can make for this universe. Sure it can have some personal stuff but it should be background material. End of the day you’re a galaxy trotting mercenary.
>>738469423You heard me. Quip slop is quip slop regardless of what generation it's from.
>>738459372All thanks to the movie, and it's already evaporating now that people have seen this shitty demake.
>>738462745You already had weapon types. Chargable bladter. Smg. Rocket launcher. Sniper. Etc.Mocement options yes.Only other thing it needs it branching paths/alternate objectives, and more varied objectives.Which would be the point of a sequel,to expand and refine. It'd really not by that much different at all.
>>738469443>Nooooo! It's early accessPlay No Man's Sky. Play Lego Star Wars.
>>738469162Fun fact, localization neglected alot of details that were left in the JP version that never made it over to us.
>>738460083>And then Nintendo abandoned it.Because they forced Sakurai to slave away on more Smash trash for a decade instead of making actual games.
>>738458893Every single Starfox that's not a direct rehash of this one flat out sucks. No exceptions.
>unironically mogs the shit out of every Star Fox game combined>retards performatively shat on it because "NOT MUH"... Sigh.
>>738469471It's paper thin. Every character is just a stupid joke.>what if there was a fat pig called Pigma, lmao!>>738469507It's not quip slop. It's embraced camp, like 1980's Flash Gordon, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, or Gerry Anderson TV shows.You wouldn't get it. You're uncultured.
>>738469283said the normalnigger pretending like he isn't a blight
Nobody is ignoring the other games because they are not like 64. Adventures is a mediocre action game, Assault is straight up garbage, Command is shovelware and Zero managed to be less inviting to play than the SNES 3 fps polygon barf (which is good but is a 3 fps polygon barf).I wish there was a timeline with a normal Zero. Some of the levels are OK, and it has some nice set pieces. But they ruined the whole experience with the helicopter, the 50 1v1 or 1v2 Star Wolf fights, the all-range mode bosses, and the horrible to control bipedal sections. In fact, Zero becomes a much better game after you finish it and unlock arcade mode and specifically ignore most shit levels. That still doesn't let you skip shit like the Giant Monkey Mech boss or the shitty meteor belt roomba attack.
>>738461978Every minute of development time put into on foot sections is a minute that could be spent on refining something else, I’m not against it entirely but would you rather have on foot or a couple extra challenge levels or customizable arwing upgrades or Wolfin mode?
>>738469638its honestly impressive that the localization managed to convey a lot of this stuff in the dialogue though. I didn't need to look up the fact that Bill and Fox went to flight academy together, that was apparent by the way they spoke to each other.
>>738463305The flaw in this logic is that nobody new will want to play Star Fox in the first place since Nintendo treats it like a zombie IP. The only audience for rehash #80 of this 30-year-old game is the dwindling number of people who played it back then and aren't sick of it yet.
64fags should unironically be purged to /vr/
>>738469763>It's not quip slop. It's embraced camp,So quip slop. Glad you agree. If it has quips in it, it is quip slop. Period.
>>738469051What if Krystal was a cuckqueen and she watched Wolf fuck Fox in the ass and then she cried afterwards because she regretted it, what then huh? Yeah, that's what I thought.Oh yeah but I agree with all your other points, Starfox is about the universe it is set in and all the different worlds you go to. The other shit is secondary
>>738469905Every minute spent making shitty computer toys could be spent doing something that actually matters. Fuck off.
>>738469763You’re misreading this to mean I want like books to be written about this and not a means to have varied locals, designs, and scenarios, because of the transient nature of the Star fox crew. Star fox 64 would be way fucking lamer if it took place on one planet
>>738469928And I feel like everybody in this demographic knows how to emulate. Only people who are looking forward to it are content whores AKA streamers
I get the feeling that this could be the launch pad for new Star Fox stories taking place directly after the Lylat Wars. The realistic animal designs and the emphasis on dialgoue-heavy cutscenes and detailed mission briefings, i feel like they're laying the foundation for narrative continuation.Now that may all come crashing down because i had the same hope for the REmakes, that they would launch a new continuity with the major RE characters and come to a new new conclusion, but...
>>738469283>I don't think furries should get to claim video game franchises, just because they get hard to animals. Too bad. Any game/franchise with anthro animal characters will inevitably attract furries no matter what. Same logic with weebs to anime artsyled games.>and characters saying silly lines.So basically millennial writing. But your nostalgia will say it doesn't count because you grew up with it.
>>738469946You don't understand the distinction, because you're uncultured.
>>738462806>The Blue Marine and Landmaster are well received, but imagine a SF64 where you HAD to play in them all the time, they'd not be as divisive as on-foot sections but they'd be a sore spot in discussionBold idea.Fuck you. Go to Hell.This is WHY Starfox is dead.A vast majority of its '''fans''' are gigantic cry bitch babies that LITERALLY can not tolerate anything but an arwing on rails.So again.Fuck.You.The Landmaster and Bluemarine are great, I wish they had at minimum two more missions each.Then like a nigger you try to imply on-foot means it can't lead to branching paths/options. Which is retarded as fuck and shows how uncreative you are.Faggots like you quite literalky keep the IP from evolving because you throw tantrums everytime it makes an attempt.
>>738470045>I get the feeling that this could be the launch pad for new Star Fox stories taking place directly after the Lylat Wars.We've been repeating this cope for the past decade, can we just let it go? This game is not going to sell well.
>>738469907The localization did a lot of good don't get me wrong, but it did leave out shit like Pigma being the reason Star Wolf got together, that they probably want to course correct
>>738458893Don't look at me, I like assault
>>738469638>Wolf had a rivalry with James>Pigma worked with Andross on Corneria and became sympathetic to him>Leon being an intergalactic alien (Leon being a wordplay on alien?)>Star Wolf tolerates Andrew because he provides them with nepobaby moneyFascinating
>>738469862yiff in hell
>>738458893MY BEAUTIFUL REMAKE, AHAHAHAAAAAARGH!
>>738470119There is no distinction. Camp is cringe.
>>738469158I rather just not have anything from assault and just have the ground and shooting controls and gameplay from a better title like splatoon. Kid icarus uprising or metroid prime hunters
>>738464175Slippy is so based....love this li'l guy.
>>738458893Shut up, it's a masterpiece and new generations have the right to play it fucking grandpa
Starfox should have become a ratchet and clank clone
>>738470204kill yourself, parasite
>>738470297>Assault hater pretending to like HuntersNow I know you're trolling. Fuck off.
>>738470327They can play it on NSO. I want this fake ass franchise to move fucking forward with a new game for once in its miserable existence.
>>738470045>I get the feeling that this could be the launch pad for new Star Fox stories taking place directly after the Lylat Wars.that is exactly what is happening here. if this does well this will be the new baseline continuity for the series going forwardsemi-related, but this arwing formation is weird and its shown a lot throughout the Direct. non-zero chance they're hiding another pilot or two in a post-game or challenge mode?
>>738470327It worked for Super Mario RPG Remastered. My niece plays the shit out of it and even played the original afterwards, saying it was harder (which was a good thing). Remasters can introduce a new gen to fantastic games, I agree. I just hope this new Starfox has new planets or new secrets.
On foot sections should canonize Melee FAox moves and make him insanely fast, able to reflect projectiles and have the ability to seamlessly transition between melee and ranged attacks
>>738470425Then BUY the remake nd stop crying
>>738458893I think the continuity of the series got fucked by Command anyway so an actual reboot in a narrative sense isn't the worst thing.And in the off chance they undo Adventures too, even better.
>>738470328You. Keep talking. >>738470467You. Kill yourself.
>>738459875>SNES>versionIt's an entirely different game
>>738461978Look man, there's plenty of ways to make on-foot missions.You could cheat by making it Sin and Punishment.You can probably do like Kid Icarus Uprising and make all levels half on rails, half on foot.But you can't just randomly make the game a third person shooter for 20 minutes at a time inbetween arwing sections because you just fucking destroy the damn pacing of the game.Yeah the missions in assault fucking suck, but you know what sucks even more? Forgetting I'm even playing a Starfox game because I spent the last 30 minutes playing a shitty TPS that is objectively worse than any other standalone TPS ever made.
>>738470373Metroid prime Hunters is a good multiplayer shooter. It was a decent quake clone on the nintendo DS with online gameplay.
>>738470523I am not buying regurgitated trash. They can either make a new game or put Star Fox back in the fucking ground. If 64 every time forever is what this IP is now, then it should stay dead.
>>738470057No, not "Millennial writing", because it was written in the mid 90's, by crusty ass Japanese people, who were trying to recreate TV from their childhoods.Stuff like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGXl7qSvHnUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueGLTzyDvgwI'm telling you, you're uncultured. You don't get it.You cannot conceive of a pre MCU world.
>>738470463i hope the mario RPG remake is quietly leading to a direct sequeli want johnny and jinx as party members
>>738470545>MUH RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIILS!FUCK OFF WITH YOUR STUPID CUNTING RAILS. Railshooters are a dead shit genre for good reason. Shut the fuck UP already.
>>738461978>Why are Star Fox fans so pissy about the idea of the on-foot sections?You misunderstanding were not against the idea of on-foot sections. It is just the attempts already made were shit and any suggestions to bring those back will be shot down. I dont know what on-foot ideas for star fox will work but I do know it wont be anything from adventures or assault.
>>738470612It's still quippy, and thus it's still shit. You are not bullshitting your way out of this. Shove your double standard back up your ass.
>>738470252Camp is embraced cringe. That's the point. It's stepping beyond the threshold of embarrassment, and saying "actually, I like this. I like this thing that I consciously know is stupid. And I'm not going to try to change it or make any apologies for what it is".The MCU is the opposite of that. It casts away the genuine camp of old 20th century comics. It darkens the colours, the costumes have to be made less silly, and everyone has to adopt an above it all attitude.
>>738470747The arena shooting genre has declined considerably too.
James died of pigma, unironically.
>>738470816>I want Starfox without the charm of StarfoxSo you want to do to Starfox what Disney did to Marvel?
>>738470850>Camp is embraced cringe.It's still cringe. Doesn't matter if you embrace it, that just means you're being shit on purpose.
>>738470816do you know what a quip is anon, you keep crying muh quips but the only witty remarks I can think of in Starfox 64 is the "sorry to jet" line from Fox he only uses once
>>738470938Who the fuck is Steve Jobs?
Damn it seems like nobody actually liked Star Fox all along.
>>738461978I think on-foot stuff should be solemnly used just like the land master and blue mariner are. So the situation feels special, warranted, and give the game some spicy. If you put an on-foot segment and an all-range arwing segment together in isolation. The arwing segment with always be preferred
>>738470941>Star Fox>charmAnyone who uses the word "charm" unironically needs to be stabbed. >>738470993a: a clever usually taunting remark : gibeb: a witty or funny observation or response usually made on the spur of the momenthttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quipFuck you and die.
>>738470732>GAAAAAAH DEAD GENRE DEAD GENRE STARFOX SHOULD APPEAL TO A BROADER DEMOGRAPHIC ADD MORE NIGGERS
I don't think Starfox 64 has been discussed on this board like.. ever.
>>738471149good you know how searching words work, so where are the Starfox 64 quips aside from the one I mentioned
>>738470732>I HATE THE GOOD GAMES IN THIS FRANCHISE I CLAIM TO BE A FAN OF! RAAAAAAGGHHH!
>>738470982you're right. It'd cringe that woodland animals would fly space ships. They should turn them all into humans.
>>738458893it was pretty fun from what i remember (i was only 11 when it came out)more remake-slop to try and extract more money from the millennial gen
>>738471236Why would it? It's a rail shooter from 30 years ago.
>>738471516Said dialogue is more memorable than damn near anything else that's come after.
>>738470993>Hey Einstein, I'm on your side!is technically a quip, and few others like that. But I agree it's not "millennial writing." That is shit like Borderlands. Being witty or having quips does not make it millennial.
>>738470612>cheesey line delivery>memes born from how bad the voice acting is>Nintendo themselves dedicating said memes into levels themed solely around it for ZeroSo yeah, it is millenial writing. The only difference is it came out in 97, but SF64 is probably the very first example of it in games. And becuase it was considered 'funny and cool' backwards then, the fanbase has a strong bias for it.
>>738471610For real,Quick, someone quote their favorite line from Adventures or Assault!
>BWEEEEEEEEEEEH BWEEEEEEEEEH BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH
>>738459551Yeah, because Mario 64 was so great they decided to make a GTA clone after its success, thats what Adventures is to SF64. A massive gameplay change whiplash is not normal nor smart because causes rifts in fanbases. What people want is EXACTLY what Megaman did. Just add new locations and EXPAND on the current 64 formula. People bitching about an arcade game with minimal story are seriously just looking for something to bitch about. This is not a JRPG story-driven series.
>>738470179It's not from "ChameLEON"?
>>738471387There are no good Star Fox games. >>738471445>They should turn them all into humans.Yes. It bothers me to no end that all these desperate Star Fox clones ALWAYS use anthros. >>738471610Only because it's memorably terrible.
>>738471516How can we even know if people like them, when we haven't had one of any real importance since Sin and Punishment 2? (which is one of the best Wii games. no contest)The kids today haven't even been given a chance to see if they like on rails shooters or not. It's either play a game from 20+ years ago, or don't play anything, and most kids aren't going to go looking for old copies of Starfox 64 or Time Crisis cabinets.
>>738471712> its not a quip but if I word it like this I can lie and say it isanon Falco says that as a response to you shooting him not some le ebin own to an argument
>>738471713It's not "millennial writing". Even "millennial writing" isn't millennial writing, because Joss Whedon is like 60.
>>738471763>"They should make Star Fox into Mega Man!"... I need to you to look at the sentiment you just typed out and think about it again. Think about what happened to Mega Man, and then stop being fucking stupid.
>>738471858So you like no part of Star Fox, and inexplicably consider yourself a fan?Can we end this conversation now?
>>738471738>No! That's too low!Wait, is that cringe Millennial dialogue too? Or is it okay when it's a based and redpilled Gamecube game?
>>738471713>Nintendo themselves dedicating said memes into levels themed solely around it for Zero????????
>>738471861>How can we even know if people like them,Because there's literally no demand for them, dumbass.
>>738471978I think he means that Megaman had a lot good "megaman" games that played like megaman and not that it was run to the ground and milked to death... I hope.
>>738458893this game has a PC port btw
>>738471861I don’t know they could have ported the 3ds remake into the switch and switch 2 instead of wasting money remaking it again
>>738471983I consider myself an ex-fan. God, it's like a sequel to what I went through with Sonic. Why the FUCK did I ever like this trash? I don't need this shit.
>>738458893this pasta is already old
>>738472038The genre was taken away from us, because full freedom of movement was considered "the future" in like 1998, and games reviewers were getting pissy about arcade genres.People were never polled on this. There was never any vote where gamers unanimously decided they all hate Time Crisis now. This was a manufactured consensus.
>>738472035https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OwxuzftFLrE&pp=ygUfc3RhciBmb3ggemVybyBwZXBweSBiYXJyZWwgcm9sbA%3D%3D
>>738472060>Megaman had a lot good "megaman" gamesDid it though? Did it really?
>>738458893I'm glad that Starfox is treated as a traditional franchise by Nintendo. I do not want any gay shit like Adventures.
>>738472154I can't believe rail shooter fans of all people have a goddamn victim complex. Wow.
>>738472101I don't want them to remake it again. I want them to finally make another one.
>>738471738I just played Assault the other day.Uuuuuhm."Aparoid Aparoid Aparoid""Aparoid?"I have nothing else. Actually thinking of the voice of the aparoid made me think of "I must be complete" and "Where is the creator" and "Whathesayin?" "He's craaazy" "Destroy Destroy" "Let me handle this" "SLIPPYYYYYYY"
nobody is going to play because who the fuck is paying $500 for a switch 2 and $70 for a 1 hour arcade shooter? Starfox 64 is free.
I'm just going to ask grok to make me a star fox lorebook so my bull OC can breed every single star fox character in silly tavern
>>738459278Hello, I would like to play a new game like Star Fox 64. So long as it is not a complete rehash of Star Fox 64.I want off Mr. Andross' wild rides, and no Zero gimmicks. Thank you.
>>738471858>Only because it's memorably terrible.And yet the bar wasn't passed in Assault nor Adventures.
;-;
Andross did nothing wrong. He was trying to unite the Lylat System about the Aparoids and the (((Anglars))).
>>738472308we meed more arcade games desu
>>738472351o7
>>738471738>Don’t hesitate. When the time comes, just act!
>>738459875you said that about the Wii U version
>>738472165I mean, percentage-wise maybe not, and I'm not the most experienced with the genre, but people like at least more than 1 classic MM, 1 X, 1 Zero and 1 ZX.
>>738459678Maybe zoomers should actually play the game how it was originally intended instead of a watered down demake, stop being allergic to bad graphics
>>738472351A modern AAA game would make Fox constantly bring up how he misses his dad and have him show up in all the endings instead of the true one, and have a pre release poster of James McCloud voiced by Troy Baker
I feel like an AI script could write a better Star Fox 64 sequel, than whatever Nintendo would flounders with.
>>738471738“Keep your advice to yourself and your eyes front, PUP.”
>>738459875Man I'd rather download a rom and configure an emulator and play with whatever I want than open my 3DS and pop in the 643D cart.
>>738471978Twelve main series games and six different spin off series. How terrible!
>>738472351>What's wrong Fox?>Nothing. Nothing's wrong.
>>738472346>"Waaah, Adventures and Assault didn't have shit writing, so they're bad!"The absolute STATE of 64 worshipers. >>738472351James was a naive retard who somehow failed to realize that one of his employees is a transparently evil scumbag.
>>738471978Yeah, what did happen to it fuckface? You know, I can go to a megaman steam remaster thread and you know what I see? Everyone getting along because they got more of a game they enjoyed. And people still today ask for more Megaman, and they're getting a new one. A quality complaint is *Suprise!* outsiders looking in!
>>738472447There isn't a Wii U version of Starfox 64. You people need to actually play games.
>>738471738You wanna ride on my wing, Krystal?
Is Starfox64 really a remake of the original SNES Starfox? I never played the first one because the graphics are so bad.
>>738458893Like what a few other people have said, it's the fans own fault it's like this. They *have* tried to do different stuff. Assault was basically the perfect starting point for a new direction but NOOOOOO IT HAS ONFOOT SECTIONS THAT ARE ACTUALLY PRETTY FUN AND BEING ABLE TO SEAMLESSLY JUMP OUT OF A TANK AND INTO AN ARWING IS COOL BUT NOOOOOOO ITS CALLED STAR FOX HE CANT LEAVE THE SHIP NOOOOO. Ok here's Zero for Wii U if you guys like this one maybe we'll make anot-NOOOOOOOO IT HAS MOTION CONTROLS NOOOOOOOOOOOO I HATE THIS ITS ACTUALLY PRETTY FUN AND INTUITIVE AND PEOPLE PRAISE OTHER GAMES FOR HAVING THIS CONTROL SCHEME BUT NOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE RAPED MY BELOVED PRECIOUS STAR FOX WHAT HAVE YOU DONE JUST MAKE 64 AGAIN AND STOP THIS SHIT. Every time they did literally fucking anything besides Star Fox 64 3D everyone acted like the game gave their dad AIDs and then their dad raped them and passed it along. I actually think Assault is better than 64 but nobody is ready for that conversation.
>>738471713Campy dialogue =/= millenial writing, retard>>738471738"Nobody ever brings me gifts anymore."
>>738472642No, not really. Only in the sense that Castlevania 4 is a remake of Castlevania, or Alone in the Dark 2024 is a remake of Alone in the Dark.
>>738472758So it is a remake.
>>738472648Zero literally has "on foot" sections too, and they're better than the ones in Assault. You people are mad that you can't look at Fox ass. That's all that this is about.
>>7384605691) The on-rails segments are pretty and flashy but don't play that good. The controls are not there and the level design is lacking compared to 64.2) It is NOT a 50/50. On-foot missions take easily 70 to 80% of the playTIME.3) a good chunk of the air gameplay is the filler on-foot segments that are just hoping in, downing a couple of baddies in all range mode and going back on foot.How many bosses even are there? Andrew/aparoid, pigma, Aparoid queen and the weird mech that you beat in a turret section like S&P
>>738472642No. It's a completely different game.
>>738472607If they had GOOD writing then maybe anything from it would have been quotable.
>>738472465>ZXListen, much as I love Ashe, I would not call her games good. >>738472586And all of them trash.
>>738472813No, it's a different video game, that broadly uses the same premise. I don't think any of Starfox SNES' level design is present in 64.
>>738471738Slippy to Falco on the Sauria level in Assault>Give it a rest Falco. Seriously, shut your beak for once.The only time in Star Fox history where Slippy said something based.
>>738472814>Zero literally has "on foot" sections too, and they're better than the ones in Assault.They are equally as bad.
>>738472878>I don't think any of Starfox SNES' level design is present in 64.Do you really think for a second that the SNES would be capapable of producing anything the 64 did. It's the same game with technical limitations removed.
>>738472916they're snappier, and waste less of your time. You can literally just be a ship within seconds, instead of having to walk over to a ship. It's a better system.
>>738472976The level design? Yes.Maybe fitting all of the extra vehicles and elaborate bosses on the cartridge would be a challenge. I don't know. All the more of a reason that 64 isn't a remake. It is not the same game.
>>738458893I like this game.I would had liked a sequel that is basically a level pack rather than see it remade two times though. I'm not asking for Super Mario Odyssey, just Galaxy 2 for Star Fox.
>>738472848>meme slop equals good writing...
>>738472642Remake? No. More a reboot if anything.
>>738472814A shame motion controls had go be ass. Zero was perfect otherwise.
>>738459278And Kid Icarus Uprising mogs the everliving FUCK out of 64, which was already mogged by SF2 before it even came out. 64 isn't that good.
How's the 3DS remake, is it Majora's Mask-bad?
>>738473238It has more going for it than people think.The Gyro levels were stupid, and the controls were needlessly cumbersome though.
>>738472976The story being told is too unobtrusive to be put into the conversation. Levels at most share a theme, like starting in corneria, ending at venom and having an asteroid field. Other than that, it's more than just hardware limitations. It's for all intents and purposes, a sequel.
64 isn't getting brought back repeatedly just because it's good, even though it is good. It's because of the context of the series as a whole.95% of the entire franchises legacy is 64 and it's iconic and considered to be one of the greatest games in its genre. Everything after it has AT BEST a good legacy among fans (Assault) or is remembered for how much of a fucking mess it was (Adventures, Command, Zero), and they sold less and less to the point the last actual NEW new game (Command) sold less than 0.5 million The series peaked absurdly high with 64 then dropped so far in both legacy and sales that its entire identity is now 64.Then you have to consider that Nintendo does not want to make new "budget" games which means they feel they need to turn Star Fox 64 into a full price modern game and there is ZERO proven audience for a modern day rail shooter in the AAA space. The genre solely exists in AAA as a side game or funny one off mission in action games. And there's no way to stay true to Star Foxs core design tenets of short playthroughs and replayable arcade style gameplay without it being a few hours long and that likely means it will sell like dogshit because of bad word of mouth.The only thing they can consider a safe bet is anything they can attach to 64s legacy, and this will continue to be the case until they simply actually try something new.
>>738473341SF2 looks like the most boring game ever conceived. It's for someone, but that person isn't me. Also, that person would probably be better served playing Mech Warrior and Armored Core.
>>738473371Nah, it's more like OoT 3D. You might disagree with some kinda minor visual tweaks or the rerecorded voice lines (same cast) but it's about as accurate as you could reasonably get.
Don't give the absolutist faggot any of your precious (You)'s. He doesn't deserve them.
>>738473420It absolutely is not a sequel. Star Fox 2 is a sequel. 64 is Star Fox done over.
>>738473453>SF2 looks like the most boring game ever conceivedSo you haven't played it, cool. Why bother saying anything when you have nothing to add to the conversation?
>>738458893Star Fox 64 would be a 10/10 game if it had a proper save system
>>738473502You're confusing it (broadly) using the same plot, with it being in any sense the same game.The SNES game doesn't even have James or Star Wolf.
>>738461978>The titualar protagonists are mercenaries.This is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read. The context of the story doesn't fucking matter. The series is about rail shooting you gigantic fucking faggot.
>>738473559>he actually dies in this easy ass game
I like how there's always some retard in these threads trying to argue that 64 isn't a SNES remake as if 4 remakes isn't just as retarded as 5
>>738473538I think I booted it up for five seconds on an emulator, years ago.That kind of stuff does not appeal to me. I want well paced, fun levels, with memorable bossfights and set pieces. Not sandboxes.I gave Command a go, and more or less hated it.
>>738473371Meh, I like it. I like the graphic style. Gameplay-wise is identical (though I think the 3DS game fires more lasers per button press so that you don't shake the 3DS all over the place while mashing). Other than that there's no difference to the feel of the game, 1:1.Honestly I wish there was a decomp of the game to unlock the framerate and maybe touch up some color correction (game is super bright to compensate the tiny and shitty 3DS screen)Audio is completely new, so that's the most divisive part.The little title screens that appear on bossfights give me a little boner.
>>738473473They also censor the most badass line in the game.
>>738458893the literal easy answer is to just make a SEQUEL to this game where it is in a similar vein of gameplay but evolves with innovation and intrigue. rather than literally doing remaking the game again for the second time. thats the actual problem that people refuse to just acknowledge.
>>738473597I'm not saying about dying. I'm saying about stopping and starting. It could delete your save on death for all I care, I don't like that I have to fully commit the hour anytime I want to play with progress saved. Just saving between planets would be nice
>>738473371Majora's Mask is the superior one.
>>738469905the problem is that assault started development as a multiplayer-only title and the on-rails segments were added on in the last months of development. They were quite literally an afterthought
>>738472351https://youtu.be/ItiB1kuDlI0?&t=4508Don't mind me just posting some kino.
>>738473538I mean, it's not hard to imagine. I played it and his fears are justified. Shit has so many short "shoot 2 targets" missions and slow walker segments that are completely unnecessary and break the pacing of the original.
>>738473578>the context of the story doesn't matter>even though the characters and the setting elements are what make people care about this IP... This is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.
>>738473706I liked assault. The arwing sections leave a lot to be desired, but I liked it. I would rather a Star Fox 3, or 64-2 over assault 2. But I'd also be happy enough with Assault 2.
>>738473382It was constantly having to recalibrate the corsshair, it made me butthurt a few times with andross.
I'm not strictly opposed to Starfox ever being on foot, but I still want the series to be fun, non stop, arcade style action. This can be done. It's called Sin and Punishment, or Time Crisis. Put those kinds of levels in a Starfox, and I wont complain about it. I don't want to run around in little arenas doing busywork. It's boring. Plus, there are other third person shooters I can play, that are better. If I want that out of Nintendo, I can play Splatoon.
>>738472195This, people praise shit like Assault but all it had going for it was the music. I remember seeing those graphics and thinking the same shit everyone is saying about Starfox 26.
I want an Adventures style structure with Assault's gameplay.
>>738473743I grew up on SNES, so don't take this as me being a zoomzoom, I never had star fox SNES, I had 64. Playing 1 and 2 for the first time, the FPS is downright unacceptable, any time you hit a target outside of cockpit view feels almost like an accident at the 12-16CHOPPYfps the games give you
>>738473803Literal skill issue, you should get it down that you press the reset button before you do some precision.
>>738473827>"Waaah I want muh rails!"There's a reason on-rails gameplay styles died. Because it fucking sucks. Also, stop bringing up Sin and Punishment. None of you cunts ever played those games.
>>738473885silky smooth 2 frames per second whenever you blow up a core...kino absolute cinema
>>738473873>I want an Adventures stylegross
>>738473873You should just play other games, then. Time Splitters is probably everything you want and more
>>738473382I'm a Zero shill (as much as someone can shill that piece of shit), but last time I replayed it I lost all lives to the Mecha Gorilla boss because I couldn't get used to the controls and honestly, might paint my face white and start a Joker phase.
>>738473827>I'm not strictly opposed to Starfox ever being on footI am. Starfox has to be about flying through space and blasting down space ships for it to be good. Anything else is relegated to the trash.
The on foot sections weren't even that bad in Assault, they were only bad for people not playing with dual stick controls
>>738472648The on foot sections are not fun. They are clunky and tedious. And plagued by short enemy draw distance.Being able to seamlessly jump in a tank doesn't matter if the tank has grievously regressed from its previous iteration in 64. It went from fast and fun to clunky and tedious.Being able to seamlessly jump in an Arwing doesn't matter when its speed has been gimped to keep it from smashing into the tight boundaries imposed by map design that must accommodate traversal by both foot and air. Rendering the Arwing, again, clunky and tedious.Thank you for leading me to the perfect words for describing Assault.
>>738473973Isnt there a regular controller mode mod? I'd love to give that a shot. Shit on Cemu it might be sick just to have the wiiu gamepad screen on the same monitor as the game proper with a gyro controller.
>>738473885It's funny because if you play the game sped up to how it should have played on release, it is very, very hard. The game was actually balanced around the lag, which becomes readily apparent when trying to fight a few of the bosses on the SNES version.
>>738473973Zero was literally the best game in the franchise until they announced Starfox.
>>738473885I mean, yeah, that's an objective problem of the SNES games. And it's not a zoomer take. Nobody plays a 3D garbled mess of polygon game at 12 fps and thinks "woah this is awesome".Still, there's a pretty good game under all that in the first one. But don't expect to sit on an emulator for 10 minutes, or even 1 course, and "get" it.
>>738473954It died because "muh progress". Same reason 2D platformers and turn based RPGS and strategy games kind of died for ten years.All it takes is one well made and properly marketed game to remind people how much fun this shit actually is. >dude, I think everything should be a third person shooter, because it is the "solved form" of video gamesPlay Fortnite then. Knock yourself out. Play Splatoon. Your tastes are literally being catered to.
>>738474017If were anti on-foot, I'd also like to also keep landmaster to a minimum. Blue marine is kino, landmaster is gay, just do a low altitude arwing
>>738472648>actually think Assault is better than 64I think you're a retard
>>738473962You just said 'ew' to Zelda style games. What 64 shills are so in deep that even other genres are heresy? Fuck off. >>738473967>"hurr hurr, Time Splitters is a Zelda-like with guns!"No. No it isn't. Moron.
>>738473803Fighter jets tend not to control like the Power Wheels toys you're used to.
>>738474116I beat both games and came away thinking "these are cool prototypes but I have starfox 0 desire to ever play these again." I really like the 2d portraits and the "byedehbyedehbyehbyehbyeh" thoughever
>>738474050All you would be doing is removing precision from the game. You can play it with a pro controller already on the console itself. You just can't get clean shots off in a similar way to 64, the times where you just barely fly past something and you fail to destroy it in time. Zero is a great railshooter because you can use gyro to aim independently of the ship position, so you can destroy enemies while flying past them.
>>738474116it is awesome. it's just awesome in spite of the terrible framerate.
>>738465548This will technically be the 4th remade.
>>738474050You can't just do "normal controls". The game is 100% designed to be played like that. Enemies have really annoying weakpoints that can only be hit with gamepad aim, and it even forces your camera on the TV. But yeah, I guess you can add motion controls to cemu and have the gamepad side by side and it might even be better than moving your head. Honestly never tried.
>>738474125Rail shooters are not fun. You only think that because you have fake nostalgia for arcades.
>>738474134Landmaster is fine, on foot is terrible.
>>738474168Isn't that what you wanted? What's Adventures or Assault doing that Time Splitters or like 30 other games do far better than either of those titles? I get it if you're just jonesing for the anthro asses, that's fair, but what about those two games do you hold on an ivory tower here? Not being facetious, just curious
>>738472562Remember to dono to my patreon, gofundme and kofi
>>738474275>a genre of nonstop action isn't funHave you actually played any of these games?
>>7384737010/10
>>738474168>You just said 'ew' to Zelda style games.I said ew to Starfox Adventures, a horrifically shitty game. I will not lower my standards to enjoy that piece of shit.
>>738472562Nintendo is so retarded they don't understand that Andrew surviving and taking the throne, or "somehow andross returned" or "this guy who isnt andross is like, also pissed" with 7-10 new planets would be perfectly sufficient
>>738474134How can you say that when Macbeth and Titania are the coolest shit ever?
>>738474168Darksiders is straight up a Zelda-like with guns. Totally underrated series actually. Jedi Survivor also has blaster combat.
>>738474427You're crazy. Water planet and under water planet are the best
>>738473895Probably, I didn't need to do it much with the Zelda SS port though so it has me thinking...
>>738474427He's literally just talking in circles to get (you)s, dude has no idea what he even wants and probably hasn't actually played SF64. More than likely he watches speedruns about the game rather than just play it.
>>738474267https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMfPaxTBvNw?t=242
>>738474345The list of improvements is a mile long, keep coping retard.
>>738474502Blue Marine was novel, that gave it cool points on SF64, but playing it on actual hardware blows my dude. Aquas lags the entire time, all through the boss fight... fucking sucks. Playing the PC version, though, it fucking rocks. Whole game feels better on the PC release, really, so I get it if you've only done the emulator version
>>738474284... Are you just pretending to be illiterate so you can feign having an argument? I explained exactly what I fucking want, retard.
>>738474483Only Darksiders 1 is a Zelda like, and only darksiders 1 has the actual full aesthetic nailed down.
>>738474502Both are really good. Zoness is my fav next to area 6, but there's something about starting Macbeth next to the giant train and taking it part by part. Super cool concept too, nothing like other games like S&P and KIU or even other starfoxes
>>738474621Play these>>738474483Also play Metroid Prime.
>>738458893The Japs not comprehending that they simply haven't made another good game. They think that means people want the exact same game that was actually good over and over again. Why are they so autistic?
>>738474674I will fully concede trainkino is rad. I just didn't like landmaster controls
>>738474383But every time Mario does that, you bitch about how it's repetitive. This is why Nintendo is so fucking weird and just does whatever the fuck. They're catering to unpleaseable retards.
>>738474621Zelda with guns? And yes, I retardmaxx every single time I come to this gay fucking website, thank you very much. Zelda with guns would be like... Fallout 3? I mean, is that what you want? RPG with FPS elements? Is it that you want that alongside anthro people set in the Starfox universe? Do you want Zelda dungeons but with guns? It's hard to tell what you really want man. Talk slowly, boy, I am retarded and can't understand a fucking thing you're talking about. Dumb it down a notch.
>>738474609And the whole list is invalidated by the swimming fuck up alone
>>738474857>Zelda with guns would be like... Fallout 3?Not even mad, F3 was my Ocarina of Time.
>>738474674Blowing apart the train and also switching the tracks is the coolest shit ever.
>>738458893>Starfox >In a post Kid Icarus: Uprising worldYuck
>>738474691>Also play Metroid Prime.>he says, as if Metroid Prime 1 isn't my favorite video game ever ... I've played it. It's pretty good, yeah.
>>738474905>more precise swimming is le bad actuallyNo? fuckin tard>I want to flop around the ocean like a dolphin for 2 hours for no raisinbecause you're tarded
>>738474779The difference is that Nintendo never even did enough to let us get tired of the formula before they started doing weird shit
>>738472907Slippy was a BAMF in Assault
>>738474921F3 is a good game, especially with mods. I just don't know what this guy wants
>>738474961NO! HIT THE BRAKES!I CANT STOP IIIIIIITTTTT!!!(Big Nasty Ass Explosion)Hypest shit man, I fucking loved that so much
>>738474857>Do you want Zelda dungeons but with guns?Wha-YES! That's what I fucking said, dude. I want a Zelda-like structure but with third-person shooter gameplay. How was that remotely confusing to you? The fuck. Also, Fallout 3 is structured like a Zelda game? If so, I question it's negative reputation.
>>738472642Star Fox 64 is a ground up remake of Star Fox SNES. It's a retelling of the same story with a few similar levels and bosses but also has a lot of new content. By that same notion though, Star Fox Zero and Star Fox Switch are also ground up remakes of the original SNES game.The term remake is kind of ambiguous since Star Fox 64 3D is often called a remake even though it's more of an enhanced port.
>>738474550I think this guy is forgetting a very important detail about the controls. The gamepad view is the ONLY view that gives you an accurate crosshair. You can like it, but most people, myself included (again, saying this as someone who still likes the game a lot), don't really like having to look up and down all the time.He mentions people not having fun because they go in a line and aim only on the gamepad, as if that isn't the most natural response to the control scheme. It's really hard NOT to play like that. You either look at the TV and miss all your shots because your crosshair is LYING to you, or you look down. Doing both is really fucking annoying and takes more than 1 full playthrough to even get "ok" at and not ram into everything.
>>738475090He seems to want a shitty Starfox Adventures.
>>738475253If you press (-) minus it puts cockpit on the TV
>>738459278>it's not like they haven't triedThey haven't, but unironically. We have massively improved tech, and all the people want is >Cinematic rail shooter with voice actors that can bring aura and fun scifi slapstickwith multiplayer dogfightingSo what did they make?>weird ground mission slop fest>rareware spin off adventure game>weird turn based RTS with pause DS thingIt's a fundamental misundererstanding of the assignment
>>738475169Zelda-like can mean so many fucking things, man. If you specified you wanted it to be like the dungeons, I'd been on board from the start. I told you I'm retarded bro, you knew this was gonna happen...............................That said, I guess Metroid Prime is the go-to there. Jet Force Gemini tried that too I think. Ratchet and Clank? I never played those games but they looks sorta like what you want. Put Krystal in a bikini and have her crawl around through little tunnels underground and shoot aliens, I'm game.
>>738475253I think if you press ZR it will give you gyro outside of cockpit.
>>738474779This has been thoroughly debunked already. Aonuma started subverting the series the moment Koizumi got promoted
>>738475169>you want Zelda dungeons with gunsI don't know why people dislike this really
>>738475354Changing your entire screen to another view doesn't really fix anything.>>738475421wdym? Gyro is always on, on both screens.
>>738475450>Coy Zoomie
>>738460569You can't sell a game on being 50% ass and 50% a noticably worse 64
Not enough of the complaints about Zero in this thread are about the controls.
The voice delivery made SF64. No other game has matched that quality.
>>738475516
>>738475634Maybe not everyone gets filtered
>>738475708Its kind of crazy how terrible the voice acting is in all the other games compared to 64. I have no idea how they managed it, but they really did nail every line.
>>738475708voices in 64 are bad, nostalgia is hard carrying you to the fairy
>>738475407>Put Krystal in a bikini and have her crawl around through little tunnels underground and shoot aliens, I'm game.See, now you get it. I would prefer the skintight bodysuit, but still.
>>738475708That's a big problem with the remakes, too. Instead of trying to do something new, they try to emulate what was already perfectly fine. It makes you realize how much better the old actors were instead of appreciating the work the new actors did.
>>738475779I don't understand what you're trying to say.Gyro is on all the time, that's not the problem. The problem is the cockpit view is the only accurate view, and the cockpit view is limited. The cockpit view doesn't see what's in front of you, but only what you aim, moves erratically all over the place like you're playing a first person sonic game, and swapping from third person to first person is as jarring as trying to play a fast paced third person shooter where holding the aim button goes immediately into a sniper scope.I have a better time playing hopscotch on VR.
>>738475708[[Good Luck]]
>>738475924NOW we're on the same page, fuck yes. Multiple outfits, tribal one included. Give all the characters some fun clothes/costumes/outfits that fit for sections of the story (or make a Krystal focused game since Fox hijacked hers in Adventures), I'd buy it if it had a bunch of zelda dungeons scattered around different planets in the lylat system. Give us some good voice work, fun story and memorable characters and it'd be a hit, even if it's something completely different than you'd expect from Starfox as a series.
>>738475287No. He wants to look at animals ass>>738472648This guy really wants to see animal ass.
>>738472351damn those invisible ninjas cutting onions near me
>>738474550This video is delusional. It has to be autism."This control scheme is better, everyone is dumb but me" "Just play in this completely unconventional manner"
>>738476359I like how his gameplay goes from really good to crashing on everything and missinputing so seamlessly. Almost as if the controls are shit and he's fighting them even after mastering them.
>>738476119I can remember it so clearly. The deep, reverb, muffled way he says it. The rising inflection as he says 'luck' instead of how someone would normally say 'good luck'. So iconic.
>>738475849Honestly, I think Slippy's voice is way better in Assault. It's the only half decent performance in that game and beats the SF64 voice out by a country mile.>>738475634Honestly, if they hadn't forced you to look at the gamepad all the fucking time, Gyro controls wouldn't been an upgrade.
>>738476056Disagree considering the facts.
>>738476359>This control scheme is better, everyone is dumb but meI genuinely believe this
