How did she become the mythical protector of England, the Once and Future King, if her legend started with her being a savior figure for the Welsh in their wars against the saxons during the Dark Ages?
>>738459098I swear to god if you people do not start putting titles in the fucking subject line, I am going to start committing acts of terrorism. Just put the fucking name of the thing in your thread, you rancid cunt. Your mother should've swallowed you.
>>738459098>WelshWe only talk about everything that came after.
>>738459098Wales functionally wasn't an independent country between 1283 and 1542 and literally wasn't a country from 1542 to 1948. It was incorporated into England and England took all their stuff, heroes who would've historically fought against them included.
>>738459098the legend of king arthur is actually like 3 or 4 myths stalped together by different writers/historians across the centuries.
>>738460164I get the political background, it's just that I can't think of another mythological hero who got appropriated entirely by the group their legend centered around fighting originally. Not just integrated, like the Vanir or the Kunitsukami, or demoted to villainy like demons in christianity, but completely rewritten to be contrary to their original selves.
>>738459098What you're essentially asking is how did King Arthur go from a Welsh Nationalist figure to an English nationalist figure, and that's complicated but the short answer is 'the French'For a very long time, Britain was just an extension of France. Its kings were all the Kings of France, or directly subservient to them. Early writers of the British Isle were writing about Arthur as a form of national identity free of invaders. Arthur was a symbol of resistance, because despite the legends, what actually happened was the Saxons more or less won. They came pouring into Britain and intermingled with the local tribes where, while the Irish did the same to the Picts in the north.At the same time, there were strong links between Wales and Brittany thanks to a sea trade route, this is even referenced in Monmouth's Historia Reggium in which he tries to establish Britain as a successor state to the Classical Era via a mythological link to Troy, similar to what the Romans did. They were trying to legitimize Britain as a country, not just a tax farm for continental powers.At the same time, French authors were borrowing from these myths passed on through Brittany and using them to create romances, divorced from any politics relating to Britain's general rule. These romances were basically the soap opera's of their day crossed with marvel comics, they were concerned with affairs and knightly quests and fighting heathens. Lancelot as a character exists exclusively because courtly romance/affairs were the fetish of the authors (of Knight of the Cart) patroness (aka the noble woman paying for all his books).Later, when Britain began to try and assert independence from France and the Norman lines, Arthur was seized on as a symbol and rather than suppress the figure the monarchy adopted him.If you're interested in a broad overview of the legends themselves I recommend King Arthur: History and Legend By Dorsey Armstrong, The Great Courses (audio-book/lecture)
>>738459098Ever heard of the Tutors sweetie? The ancient Welsh bloodlines were merged into the English/Scottish/British crown.
>>738460764Thanks, that was very informative, but that Saber looks horrible. There's no need to go beyond what athletic women look like IRL.
>>738461173there's very little inbetween with seiba art, she's either jacked or a petite lil muffin. I blame the Japanese.
>>738461107>Guildford DudleyOld anglo names are funny as fuck sometimes.
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I watched and liked Fate/Zero but after reading a little bit about the other animes/games I'm glad I avoided it all
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>>738461230Ah, much better. You know, I like women who are in shape a lot too, but as you said, artists don't really know how to draw realistically fit women. Shame because I think female athletes have the highest tier feminine aesthetics.
>>738461107The Welsh noble Owen Tutor married deceased King Henry V's widow, Catherine of Valois, and the rest is history. Every King and Queen since Henry VI is Welsh and a direct heir of Arthur and the prophecies of Merlin.
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>>738459098I voted for her.
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What's the best modern take on the Arthurian mythos? Modern as in from the last century or so.
>>738461424>Every King and Queen since Henry VI is WelshTechnically true, but it's kind of a moot point when the Stuarts were culturally and ethnically Scottish and the Hanoverians and Saxe-Coburgs were German. I don't think George I even spoke much English, much less Welsh.
why is my king so fucking perfect
>>738459098The legend of King Arthur is older than even that, with many attributing it to earlier than the Roman invasion; the figure of Arthur has been heavily co-opted by multiple groups everybody from Mallory and canonised mostly by Geoffrey of Monmouth in his "the Matter of Britain".Even the Danes used Arthur to name themselves his legitimate successors by way of "picking up where he left off" to gain the support of the locals and establish Danelaw.Its a very complicated matter.>>738461843The Warlord Chronicles starting with The Winter King are attempts to "de-fictionalise" the legend a bit. Its pretty good.If you just want straight-up Arthurian stuff from start to end then I suggest Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon wherein you go on a road trip with Arthur's ghost in your head through a dark fantasy Camelot.
>>738461843Depends on your tolerances.T.H. White's 'The Once and Future King' is basically a modernized retelling of L'morte d'Artur, which is itself a (then) modernized retelling of the Lancelot-Grail Vulgate. The problem is White doesn't go into a lot of detail because he wrote for an audience he expected to know the legends inside and out.The Bright Sword is a post-Arthurian fan work that's basically full of references to shit from the old myths that fans will recognize, but it's also got gays and trans in it.Just avoid Mists of Avalon.
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>>738459098>Welsh.No one cares about the Welsh, that's why. Anyone who thinks Britain, UK, etc always thinks England, Ireland, Scotland. No one thinks Wales.And why would you? The Welsh language is so shite the majority chose to convert to just using English than trying to speak that eldritch tongue. Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch reads like some lovecraftian text or the sound you make when you gurgle with your mouth wash.
>>738461837You know, I used to think that my tastes in women were far too refined for something as basic as tanned blondes with big boobs, but over time I learned the error of my ways.
>>738462142>under no circumstances will i wear any underwear that hasn't been chosen by shirou.webm
>>738462154I'm a celtaboo and I think I like the Welsh and the Irish more than I do the English.
>>738460764>Lancelot as a character exists exclusively because courtly romance/affairs were the fetish of the authors (of Knight of the Cart) patroness (aka the noble woman paying for all his books).Kind of based.
>>738462265>>738462118there's nothing inherently wrong with it, even if it's 'basic'. People like pumpkin spice because pumpkin spice tastes good. It's only cringe when it's your whole goddamn personality, like anything else.
>>738461843Fate Stay/Night
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>>738461173But consider
>>738462461Anyway, out of muscle images. Switching to ass.
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>>738462358AI fags have an opportunity to do something real funny here
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>>738462678annnd i'm out of ass
>>738462528The glutes are one of the biggest and strongest muscles of the human body.
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>>738459098Let's do this, King of Knights. Do you have enough resolve stored up?
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>>738463205https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8vspPIIaIk
>>738463261Almost out, not gonna post all 50 images of which I have exactly 50 for... reasons. Most of them are her in armor.Done all I could Op rip your thread.
Why did Nasu let a Greek woman sexually assault the King of Knights?
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>>738459098>dark agesdont exist, not real, not a thing, only a fucking mongoloid uses the term.
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my FUARKING king
>>738463336The thread will probably leave for Avalon soon, yeah, but thanks. The art you posted weren't half bad.>>738463340Medea is technically not Greek since Colchis wasn't founded by Greeks, it was a parallel culture.
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>>738463625I like this artist a lot.
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>>738463696This is my final message:Fuck anglo-saxons - T. King Arthur
>>738460764Didn't read. I hope a bus runs you over, muscletranny.
>>738463908>And his queen.Can't believe my fraukin hero was buried with a hoe that cheated on him.
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>>738464010>>738463908>>738463625Also I think I heard from other anons that Ayako Kawasumi also visited Glastonbury Abbey once to pay her respects.
>>738461843I like Excalibur. I also like the Guy Ritchie movie, but its missing all the completely insane stuff and is too much of a robber movie for most of its runtime. By thus point there is also Tainted Grail if you want a Skyrim clone.FSN is also up there, because it really wants to sell you on the tragedy of the Round Table. The once and future king is DOOMED, in a significantly more graspable way than with Odin vs Ragnarok.
>>738464010youtube.com/watch?v=wdRnNHDrxe8
Welsh Bump.
The Red Dragon will rise again
>>738467579Nobody outside of England cares about Powys.Waugh on the other hand seems to have a rather universal appeal despite being so aggressively English.
Any Arthurian lorefag please tell me where was Morgan's hometown?Or Uther's?
>>738464213The VN's soundtrack is so underrated. Even the adaptations are afraid to use it for some reason.
Why does she have such ludicrous magic resistance? Tohsaka detonated a gem inches away from her face but it didn't even pierce her resistance despite the VN saying that the explosion was powerful enough to blow away an entire house.
