What is the best shot type?
>>738471024I don't particularly care for Axelay, but the ship is unreal, almost as hot as my wife.If I have to choose one type of shot only then I like when it spreads a little, enough that if you stay a bit above the bottom you can cover 2/3rds of the top, and not enough that you can't get close to bosses and have most of your shots hit.
>>738471024ReimuB
>>738471024Sonic Frontiers
>>738471024Spread.
>>738471024I wanna fuck Pastel
>>738471024>shmupsHow do I get gud?
>>738471997more hus need 2psand 3ps, and 4ps
>>738473590play ze gayme
Any good star fox 64 recommends? I tried one with cats but it's early access and just ok
>>738473906silly chatbot
Bomb
sexy parodius
>>738471024What would a fully 3D with Y + X axis movement shmup look like? Ace Combat I guess?
>>738471024DFK and SDOJ Type B ship is so awesome
>>738474849Duuh what da fuck?
https://youtu.be/k58SJoTVnhU
Reposting pleb question for the good shmup players here: when you're grinding for a 1cc or some such how much do you play each day?I'm going for EoSD 1CC (I was asking about it last thread) and it's hard for me to play more than an hour or more before I feel like I'm wasting my time and should just sleep on it to practice more the next day. But that seems obviously wrong. I feel like I should try to play 6-12 hours a day or something. Is that what you guys do? Again, pleb question, I just want, I guess, confirmation that it's retarded to only play an hour a day.
>>738471024it should be spread, but it's always straight power shots or homing missiles.
>>738478819Huh? Just play until you learn something. You want to learn the game, right? Just play until you are satisfied with what you learned. I want to get this pattern consistent. I want to do this stage without dying today. I want to do this stage 5x in a row without messing up. I want to do stages 1-3 without messing up. I want to find a better way to address this bottleneck I'm struggling with.It's for your own personal satisfaction, the 1cc is just evidence of that conclusion. I usually just practice some areas where I'm struggling then run through the stages I learned for consistency and polish. I feel bad if I dont play at all but if all I have time for is to just straight up play the game without any practice I'll do that for an hour or so and practice when I have time.Part of the reason I say to post gameplay is because it's a way to set tangible goals for yourself.
>>738471024Laser with narrow beam but high damage. Any other choice is for scrubs
>>738479582> the 1cc is just evidence of that conclusion.I wish. I kind of reach my practice goals easily, but actually putting it together in a run is nightmarish. I do a stage 3x times in a row without messing up, then mess it up in a real run. That's why I end up not wanting to play for long.
Reminder that just playing more shmups improves your abilities in all shmups. It's almost like fighting games in that way. If you're mad because you're bad you're just not playing enough.
>been playing Manic Mushi all afternoon>play one game of TH5 normal before bed>get my 1cc because everything feels like moving in slow motionTime for 6 and 7.
>>738480135There is a hump with shmups where you have to get over nerves, that's normal. But also if it's touhou just bomb everything. Like how far do you think youd get if you just burned resources every time you got nervous? Pretty far I'd reckon. Like just bomb spots where you usually die and see how far you get. If you come up short just optimize the bombs out later, plus if you run out of resources you can just play on that life and not worry about losing anything. It's not the right way to play but it's fine for starting.
schizo is talking to himself again
>>738480657I don't mean this as like an argument, in that you're totally right, but the problem for me is mostly dying to unexpected stage mishaps. Like in EOSD: The aggro fairies in stage 2, red walls in stage 3, post-midboss stage 5 random shit, random shit at the start of stage 6, etc. If I bomb all of those I definitely won't have resources for Remilia but they require such raw natural dodging talent that a slight adjustment error is instant death.
i prefer the old threadno schizos and avatarniggies allowed
>>738479582She asked for good shmup players.
>>738481303Now I have to ask you for your EoSD LNN babe
>>738480993>If I bomb all of those I definitely won't have resources for RemiliaDon't you get like 35 resources total between lives and bombs in eosd?
>>738473749but I don't wanna
>>738481303EOSD, boring slop? But it was made to celebrate the pure and simple joy of dodging! I've only played a few shmups (Kamui, Mushihimesama, EOSD) so I'm not really in tune with arcade vs touhou shitposting. I'm merely playing Touhou since someone I know is. The bombing seems kind of anti-game design (saving up bombs in stage 1/2/3 to nuke the 4/5/6 bosses feels a bit antigame) but I like the aesthetics and feel of the danmaku. >>738481467My understanding is 30 though I may be wrong.
>>738481492post someone else's clear and pretend it's yours
>>738481603>EOSD, boring slopTo be honest yeah it kinda is
>>738481414What is this weird obsession with getting me tl play Touhou about? Do you want me to validate you that bad? It's not happening. Give it up. In fact, I'm not sure I'll ever play a non-shmup again, and mostly arcade ones at that.
>>738481763>I'm not sure I'll ever play a non-shmup againI played vintage story yesterday.
>>738471024Shmups/rail shooters died for a reason. Let it go.
>>738481981Nah only rail slop died
>>738471024Love star fox but I wouldn't put it on there. 1. R-Type (specifically third lightning followed by Final)2. Ikaruga3. Radiant Silvergun4. Einhander5. Thunderforce (specifically 4)6: Twinbee7. Axelay = Darius = Gradius = RaidenHaven't played the rest. If I had to put star fox on the same list, it would go before Einhander because I have more fun playing it than everything else from Einhander on.
>>738481414wowa real eosd LNN would be like 41-42 on the chart easy
>>738471024R-type. Thought I do like the majority of upgrading/transforming weapon shmups like macross, graduis/parodius, etc.
>>738482101Also shot type would go to R-Type III third lightning because I love the cyclone force more than everything on the list.
3 headed dragon breath
>>738482454Dragon Spirit was kino but I was too stupid to beat it as a kid. Was it supposed to be a hard game or was I just bad at shmups back then?
>>738480635it's all downhill after 6 unfortunately.
>>738477272Will download and play right now if I am playing as that stick figure on the surfboard
>>738481414>MarisaByou didn't beat the game
>>738483173he is pretty based, parodius is, well, a parody of konami and shmup games
>>738482101Star Fox is a very mediocre rail shooter. Practically every Sega Super Scaler game like Space Harrier, After Burner 2 and Galaxy Force 2 mog it. Panorama Cotton mogs it. Despite SF64 being closer to aforementioned 16 bit games, by the time of the N64 there were already better, more modern rail shooters out like Panzer Dragoon and despite the complete lack of shooters on the N64 it still got outdone by Treasure's Sin and Punishment that absolutely rapes its ass. After the 64 games like Orta and S&P2 just hammered home that Star Fox (64) was always better as a tech demo and any attempt to re-release it without it pushing some technical boundaries was only inviting apathy from normalfags and scorn from people that actually played shooters.
>>738482114I saw a comment from an MoF LNN clearer say that Mushi Ultra (42) was slightly harder, but MoF isn't as hard to LNN. EoSD has way more choke points, basically several more PWG checks.
>>738471024
>>738471024RVR-02B Brigandine
>>738482870It's kind of tedious, the levels can be long with samey patterns. Gold dragon mode is more fun but that was the easy mode
>>738483441None of what you've said changes the fact that I have a ridiculous amount of fun playing it. It's not that the games I listed following it are not fun, they are. They are a lot of fucking fun, but I have more fun playing star fox and star fox 64.
>>738483746>Still no game where you play as the old guy with the banjo
>>738483505picrel is SOC's opinion, left/right order doesn't matterimo each category is only as difficult as the hardest attack. so i think that's why hsifs spring is near the top and autumn near the bottomfw non-Y2 would be a tier above everything else de su
>>738471024all of the types
>>738484067Don't care. Always mashing Z on boot, always using Reimu A.
>>738483505>playing an arbitrary challenge is almost as hard as a survival clearWhat a silly post
>>738484067DDC being at the very top and very bottom is funny
I will ask.What's the sudden influx of shmup threads? All I know is that we are getting a remake(?) of DFK apparently, but it's not like we are talking about that here.
>>738484345Beat Sans yet?
>>738484512How much did you pay to advertise the Korean discord?
>>738484560Still no?
>>738484484schizosthe last threads they weren't samefagging and they died naturally
>>738484694I'm just curious why there's ads for the Korean discord again and the weird Korean astroturfing has kicked back up. What's next, solo leveling shilling?
>>738484345Hi guys, I'm an intellectual philosopher so I can step in here and point out that what this anon is doing is enforcing a language game where by his rules an LNN is an "arbitrary challenge" and clearing Mush Ultra is a "survival clear." If this ruleset/language game offends you, you can simply not play. There is no truth or objectivity here, just language and philosophical framing, so you can simply decline to play by the language game and not respond. Trying to argue (or, really, being mad at someone for their admittedly ignorant POV) is a fruitless effort. Like trying to argue someone out of racism with facts and logic. Just let it sit.
>>738484872We know, it's just the resident post clears schizo trying to bait like usual.
>>738484872By what measurable quantity is LNN not arbitrary? What's harder, a world record in fantasy zone, or an LNN EoSD clear? Does this mean Fantasy Zone is harder than EoSD? It's an absolutely retarded system of measurement and it's absurd this was ever conceived as a way to play the games in the first place when it's something that should be entirely secondary to scoring, but the scoring is also bad, so people just lnn and call it.
>>738471024Okay, I wanna play a shmup as I've never really played any, and when I did, I'd just beat the first stage and delete the gameWhich one should I try and do you play with a controller or kb+m?
>>738484872don't worry anon, I don't even konw what he means by that. I only "play" 2 shmups.
>>738484067Surprised UFO ReimuB is in the same tier as MarisaA and SanaeB. ReimuB is turbo ass cheeks
>>738471932Nice look. Is she from that Dentetsu Sapphire game?
>>738485038The question is not whether an LNN is arbitrary or not (in terms of that post the use of arbitrary was likely intended to be insulting however), the question is whether it is pointless to compare it to something perceived as less arbitrary. It doesn't really matter if one is arbitrary and the other isn't, it's something people like to do, and when they do it they gauge its difficulty, and then people consider these arbitrary difficulty assessments in discussions. People do LNNs not because it's like super meaningful but because they find it a fun and interesting way to play the game. If it wasn't fun or interesting people wouldn't do it.
>>738485304The presence of LNN as a method of playing the games, a popular one at that, places touhou closer to something like IWBTG than a traditional shmup. Like "I dodged all these disjointed spell cards in a row without resources". It's just silly.
>>738485230The small hitbox makes up for the shitty damage a bit. MarisaA has severe visibility issues and SanaeB's boss damage is not great either unless you're shotgunning.
>>738485230small hitbox helps a lot
>>738485451It's only meaningful to you to say something like "places Touhou closer to IWBTG than a traditional shmup." OK. I don't think people are that concerned with your personal taxonomy for genres. It's all semantic and doesn't mean anything broadly.
>>738485451arcadefags do no bomb runs tooyou just sound mad because 2hufags are talking about the games
There is a quiet nihilism I associate with mastering a title in this genre. All that effort is for nothing. It's hard to describe but for me that feeling is freedom.
>>738484428ZUN was drunk when he balanced DDC
>>738471024Oh my god FINALLY a fucking video game thread I care about.I liked the wave shot in G-Darius but the empowered twin lasers in Star Fox were good too.
>touhou and rail shootersOkay shmup thread over, see you tomorrow
>>738483820Playing it now, how come sometimes the princesses at the end of the levels are in shadow and sometimes you see their full portraits? Is there an unlock mechanic each stage I'm not seeing?
>>738485812I hope you get ran over by a car.
>>738484067why is th11 so low?
>>738486089SA has very dense patterns but it's all very learnable except Catwalk, which is skippable.
>>738486089sa being hard is a normal player meme
>>738486157what does learnable mean? like the patterns are the same?
>>738486327Like you can route most of the game and turn your brain off while dealing with minimal RNG. The hardest mandatory attack is Peta Flare and it's not that crazy.
>>738486089Gave me a subterranean aneurysm
>>738486446unironically how long do you wait until you watch a clear? For me it's almost never. And yes, I'm fine with practicing with stage select, but you shouldn't do that until you can no miss stages 1-3.
>>738486551Straight flush
>>738486649For Touhou 1ccs I can usually figure them out on my own. I don't restart runs if I die early because the games give you enough resources as long as you actually use them.
>>738486649>unironically how long do you wait until you watch a clear?You can just watch a single spell card yknow.>struggling with stage 5 boss in TH5, especially one spell card I can't figure out how to dodge>watch youtube video of someone playing it, skip to the spell card I'm struggling with>he just bomb spams through it
>>738487080Well yeah. Of course. Bombs are extremely powerful and there's no auto bomb. Use em or lose em.
>>738487080Happened to me during the first days of 20Saw people bombing more against Toyohime than the final boss>>738487362>He doesn't know about death bombing
>>738487512>8/60 frames = .133 secondsdeathbombing is not autobomb unless you're using border team, a human can't react to it
>>738483149I'm playing until 12 and deciding then if I want to play the rest. I am obviously skipping all non-shmups.
>>738487757I was so turned off by 7 that I dropped it after like an hour. The rest I took a look at the wiki and they just don't interest me at all. 6 is the only simple shmup without hour long boss fights afaik.
>>738483149>It's all downhill after 6Ah, a fellow PC98 fan I seeI like those games too, but the others are (mostly) not badLike, the last one we got last year is pretty nice imo
>>738471024For me, it's laser.
>>738483441>SF64>levels auto-scroll, have to route movement and plan smart bombs for optimal scoring, expert mode is locked behind medals >S&P >level doesn't advance until you kill everything, aimbot cursor, all that matters is survival
>>738471024The fast moving, high damage narrow shot-type.
>>738490072>ctc spritesovl
>>738490072for me, it's Sakuya B
>>738490382DDC right? Same
post your fav arrangementshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5gsRX70Jlw&list=PLVeakdT8BwtmBdsMGdGdcKk4y_DgHXrGG&index=9
>>738484694>when I shitpost all discussion down not revolving around disgusting touhou shit the threads die "naturally"sure pal
>>738471024Dont see thunderforce represented there so your pic is fucking garbage.Also from a design standpoint i like the bugs from biohazard battle, too bad the game fucking sucks
>>738491214what 2hufag is telling you not to discuss arcadeshit fag
"The Treasure game history is a rich tapestry. But, since we're all gonna die, there's one more secret I feel I have to share with you: I did not care for Radiant Silvergun.""What?""Did not care for Radiant Silvergun.""How can you even say that, Anon?""Didn't like it.""Anon, it's like the perfect game!""This is what everyone always said. Whenever they say...""Hiroshi Iuchi, Hitoshi Sakimoto, I mean, you never see, Studio Gonzo!""Fine. Fine. Fine team, did not like the game.""Why not?""Did not... Couldn't get into it.""What didn't you like about it?""It insists upon itself.""What?""It insists upon itself.""What does that even mean?""Because it has a valid point to make, it's insisted!""It takes forever memorizing the scoring route; you spend like six and a half hours on Stage 3... You know, I can't get through, I've never even finished the game. I've never seen the ending.""You've never seen the ending?!""How can you say you don't like it if you haven't even given it a chance?""I agree. It's not really fair.""It's outrageous.""I have tried on three separate occasions to get through it, and I get to Stage 5.""Yeah, it's a great stage. I love that stage.""I have no idea what they're talking about. It's like they're speaking a different lang... You know, that's where I lose interest in it.""You know what, Anon...""They're speaking Japanese!""The language they're speaking is a language of subtlety; something you don't understand.""I love Cotton Boomerang. That is my answer to that statement.""Exactly.""Well, there you go.""Whatever.""I like that game too."
>>738491465I saw that :)
>>738491279>Dont see thunderforce represented thereamazing, how do you manage to play shmups while blind
>>738491487It fucked up somehow and didn't post the image. The copypasta is nothing without the image.
>>738491279Lower right corner, you stupid idiot.
>>738491370Every time there's actually discussion or gameplay discussion it's met with a wall of schizophrenic screeching and spam. Touhou being posted = thread over. These threads had no problem hitting bump limit before touhou entered.
>>738491694these threads were the same autistic schizo baiting retards and screeching about posting clears until bump limit for yearsif you're that much of a faggot snowflake consider using twitter or discord
>>738491814You're talking to that schizo retard
>>738491814Yeah anon, every single person who plays anything other than touhou is one person. Only one person posts clears. Expecting gameplay to be posted is also totally unreasonable.Your vision for these threads is shit and they keep dying because you stink real bad.
>>738492020Nice ban evasion false flagging retard, you can't help but out yourself every time. You're the one who's been throwing tantrums and ruining every single thread.
>>738491920>Yeah anon, every single person who plays anything other than touhou is one person. Only one person posts clears. Expecting gameplay to be posted is also totally unreasonable.That is completely believable considering the current traffic levels of /v/. Shmup threads are some of the fastest on this board, do you think that's organic?
>>738492101guess who's derailing the thread now!
>>738492164What's left to derail? Last reply.
>>738491694>A thread quality is measured by how fast it reaches bump limit>Let's ignore how I post bait every 20 minutes and avatarfag the worst takes ever for ez repliesGenuinely kill yourself.
i like touhou post your favorite touhous
>>738492378I wanna kill your doll bitch
I don't use auto-fire in older games because I think it's fun to slap buttons.
>>738493048I get it if you're a purist, but my old man hands need a break.
>>738478268descent
>>738493048>>738493227i remember we used coins in arcades to button mash. wore the buttons down a lot
>>738493048it's wierd because it usually does feel like obvious cheating but I also don't care.
shmups peaked with touhou
>>738493534ISC if it were a "regular" shmup
>>738493534mods please make this the captcha and it lasts for 1 month.
>>738493787They should make Rensenware but for posting on /v/
>>738494072rensenware is just a ufo lunatic 1cc. make it force you to overflow instead
>>738494268>forcing anons to score UFOthe only ones posting would be a nigger (literal) and some troons
>>738494370so nothing changes
>>738494370real. but 2.15b isn't even that high anymore tbdesu. just execute a decent route and do the easier supergrazes like kogasa spell 1 and ichirin opener
>>738478819I can't really play shmups if im not in the mood. When I'm in the mood it will be one game for like 4 hours. I don't go much longer than that, these games are too intense to play all day.
>>738471024You don't seem to understand. It ain’t about how hard ya hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. The war is never over, the sirens will sound the warning forever!
Can these threads really survive without Touhou?
>>738497179Pretty easily yeah
>>738471024Cyclone Force, baby.
>>738490952The remix soundtrack for DOJ is so fucking kino, they somehow crammed all my favorite electro artists into a single game.
>>738497179Yes. They need to be more spread out tho. Give a nigga some time to play the games.
>>738497179>Can this thread really survive without the 2 main schizosMaybe. I don't see why you think "surviving" until bump limit is obligatory though.
Well there were like 3 old schizos and then 2 new ones at least but then idk if that one oldfag left or not and then the avatarfag just can't help himself so yeah hey what ya gonna do
It's ironic that the only game that made me want to get an ultra wide monitor is a fucking retro game. Even using two monitors in Darius feels novel in 2026. I wish there were more games that took advantage of this but the industry has to cater to the lowest common denominator with faggots playing on their gaming craptop's single screen.
>>738471024I just got my first 1cc in Devil Blade Reboot. It was so fun. Thinking about Mushihime-sama, Zero Ranger or Blue Revolver next.
>>738495716I found this game on an old backup CD I made decades ago. It's probably small enough to fit on a floppy. Brings back memories. Shooting game will never die!
>>738492378I could only beat TH7 on SakuyaA
>>738497667The original is still great. Manabu Namiki is the GOAT of all time
For me, it's Mushihimesama, Crimzon Clover and ZeroRanger
>>738471024As nice as the Arwing is it doesn't belong in this image. The Gauntlet is unconventionally cool.>>738471932Our wife>>738485274Blazing Star
R9-Sk2 my beloved
>>738478650>>738478650>armed lice with trident >Aiobahnhttps://youtu.be/9mpO9nh2l-AI haven't forgotten the body snatchers anon...
>>738471024>No Super Fighter>No X-LAYSad.Tell me there's an updated version of this image.
>>738478819EoSD is the first shmup I've actually seriously tried to 1CC, I would play for an hour or two each day after work, sometimes longer if I felt like I was on the verge of a breakthrough, especially when it came to the Extra Stage. I ended up getting a Normal 1CC for each shot type and 1 Extra clear over the course of a month and a half, and obviously the other 1CC's will happen pretty easily after the first. I was also putting in an at least an hour every day, but I wasn't forcing it for the sake of practice, I was just having fun with it.
Is Star Fox a shmup?
I like to connect my arcade strick to the steam deck through the dock just to play thee games, real fun.
>>738501375rail shooter, not a shmup
>>738501668Best use of an arcade stick IMO. That and beat-em-ups.
>>738502524I played streets of rage 4 recently with a fight stick, really cool.
>>738501332cool, what do you play now
Look at this red-white!
>>738500782Nice track. I will now watch this movie.
>>738504012NOT VIDE- wait. This is video games.
>>738504012Where's that tanuki's balls
>>738483173Literally yes. Their names translate to "this guy", "that guy", "the guy over there", and "the guy way out there". I suggest starting with "Sexy Parodius".
>>738478268Planet Harriers. See also Super Sega Star Wars arcade.
>>738492378
>>738478819It is a GAME. You are supposed to have FUN.>I feel like I should try to play 6-12 hours a day or something.Fuck no. > I guess, confirmation that it's retarded to only play an hour a day.LOL. You're a dumbass for even considering it. Consider how people used to play it back in the day. Hell, here's a thought. Try playing it like a poorfag kid. Crank the difficulty to max on dips, and give yourself one credit a day. Just one. And think more about what went right or wrong on your run. It's a very different mindset than whacking the save state reload button like you're feeding credits.
>>738504791I don't find games fun.
The shmups wiki is back yay
>>738503014well, i haven't played many shmups lately, ikaruga reamed my asshole and i still haven't done mokou in IN
lol...
