https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJKJl-7dNtAA year after release, Firaxis walks back Civilization VII's most loathed mechanic>Time-Tested Civs: By far the most-requested addition, you'll be able to play as one civ throughout an entire campaign when the Test of Time update goes live. While you'll still have the option to evolve your empire into a different civilization during Age Transitions, the ability to play as one civ across the span of history is something many players hold dear as a core component of the Civ experience. And a bunch of other stuff too but that's the biggest change.Can it save this entry or is it too little too late?
Intercourse with Catherine the Great
>game has now reached version 1.0
>>738475273Why did they ever think it was a good idea in the first place
>>738475273Why the FUCK was it not optional from the start?
>>738475273We never needed a game past V. Should have kept giving us dlc for that. 6 was bad, 7 was worse.
>>738475273only good thing to come from 7
>>738475273>oops!
>>738475273>because people doesn't matter, it's all culture and ideologyThat's the current thing, isn't it?
>>738475273The die is cast.
>>738475273>one race, the human race globohomo mode wasn't popularWow, shocking.
>>738475864Well, someone make her strip off the dress with AI already
>>738475273Call me when they delete Harriet Tubman
>>738475273>>738475864she cute
>>738475273well DUHfuckin idiots
>>738475273It was a dumb idea, nobody cares that the ancient civ they picked technically didn't exist in a later era. Most players have never finished a civ game or seen the end game. Fixing problems that don't exist.
>>738475273>>738475864Man how can mouth-animations still be this bad when it was practically solved by Half Life 2 some 20 years ago.
>>738475635They saw humankind do it and thought people would like it for some baffling reason
That's a shame. I've been forced to not play Civ 7 for the past 8 months because of this shit - Why try to get better at a game that will cease to exist? But I love Civ 7 and really hope that nu-Civ 7 isn't too shit.
>>738477203>technically didn't exist in a later era.like, that's the whole appeal, "what if this civilization survived to modern times", they literally had leaders with modern interpretations of outfits in Civ 3it's a video game
>>738475864>>738475273Sophie
>>738475273It's quite literally not enough if it still does garbage like assigning any leader to any country.
>>738477418Swapping civs is a core mechanic in many other games, like EU4. It's fun too. Nothing drops endorphins harder than turning your no-name silly one province indian minor into the fucking Mughal empire.
>>738475273except civ switching isn't it's core mechanicit's core mechanic is the era system which is still in the game and is still retarded
Couldn't give a fuck it's an ugly shitheap of a game. I'll stick to I'll stick to Civ III and the odd game of Civ VI until Firaxis gets their head out of their ass
>>738475273>still no Theodora
>>738475273It's too little and also too late. Civ 7 has a ton of other problems. Nobody plays this game, and this isn't going to change it.
>>738475864FUCK RUSSIANS
>>738477560except in EUIV it (mostly) makes senseThe nations you need to play as to form a nation are hypothetical predecessors you actually have to go out of your way to say, turn yourself into Mali as Egypt
>>738477560That's different because nations DO change as they grow larger and encompass more regions, like "Great Britain" didn't start as Great Britain.This is a firmly "civilization" based game.
>>738477560That's not swapping, that's just growing.
>>738477680tranny
>>738475273>take a shit in the middle of the room>tell everyone that you baked a fresh cake>present the pile of shit as a cake>be absolutely baffled of why everyone is disgusted with you and considers you a complete degeneratebravo, Sid "the civ" Firaxisman.
>>738475273Civ 6 was so shit that I never bought civ 7. Civ peaked with either 4 or 5.
Is CIV 6 good yet?I remember people giving it a lot of hate. I guess 7 was so bad it made 6 look good by comparison?
>>738479000>Is CIV 6 good yet?No
>>738479000depends. what was your issue with 6? it hasn't changed since the gathering storm expansion, it's just had a shit load of new leaders since then
>>738479000Hate like what? "Wah cartoony"?
Whoever started this trend of minimalist UI design in video games needs to hang
>>738479000Gathering Storm + Rise & Fall makes it playable
>>738479301Feels like it might have been Assassin's Creed or Call of Duty that did it, somewhere in the early 2010s
>>738475273Whoever came up with that dogshit mechanic needs to fired
Benjamin Franklin of the ancient Assryians, I mean, Indians, I mean, French
>>738479000Civ VI was good on release dumbass. It got even better with Rise and Fall expansion then got too messy with Gathering Storm and whatever the last one was called. I don't know why they made diplomatic favor such a weird faux currency tradeeble asset especially early game it makes no sense. Also hated how they changed how resources worked and that you stockpile them but if you play base game or base game+Rise and Fall it's arguably one of the best Civ gamest. been playing the series since i was 5 years old and started with Civ II
>>738479301This shit already looks so souless you might as well replace all designers with AI. No one will even notice.
>>738475864Genuinely how did such a waifu make it into this game alongside Harriet Tubman and "Obscure unsuccessful rebel who died at age 30 having accomplished little #4"?
>>738479301>ayyo Aksum lemmeAksum
>be Egypt>forced to become BugandaBeing kings is suffering
>>738479391Almost sure it's asscreed. Ubisoft and its consequences have been a disaster for the industry.
>>738478757The last Civ game Sid Meier had any direction on is 4
It's good that they are addressing this, but it feels like a band-aid on a gaping wound and I'm not sure it's going to be enough since the whole game is designed around Civ SwitchingFurthermore, there's still a mismatch of leaders and the civs they represent since any civ can use any leader, and some civs have no leader from their own culture>>738475864The unit graphics that the Maya use are also good, they did a nice job creating a set of assets that is based on actual military garb and armor from a variety of different Mesoamerican civilizations without it feeling generic.Sadly the way they are implemented (as just the Antiquity Era variation of a combined Central/Meso-South American set, wheras the Exploration era variation of that same asset group is Andean themed, because currently the Maya are the only Prehispanic Antiquity era civ and the Inca are the only Prehispanic Exploration era civ) might create problems down the line, if they add Mesoamerican exploration era civs or Antiquity Era Andean ones
>>738475273Those whole theatre kid diplomacy screens are so fucking awful, absolutely devoid of soul.
Are there more or less wonders than in VI? Obviously wonders had to be nerfed from V but having so many you couldn't possibly build all of them even in dominant games was not a good way to go about it, they felt so unimportant.
>>738480616>instead of approaching a leader and interacting with them as the player you are in the cuck chair and watching them theatre kid each otherIt's comically bad.
>>738475635they wanted forced resets to hamper snowballing
>>738478278It's clearly swapping. Iranians turning Indian.
>>738475273it does not ditch the woke historical revionsim like having a billion black woman as important leaders and warriors so fuck em
Can they just fire all the fags, women and indians so it can finally be a game made by white men for white men? Holy fuck, how is this still a discussion.Just press the fix-everything-button. It's that easy.
>>738480147There's clearly still parts of the dev team that are on point, there's small details like Napoleon speaking with a Corsican accent, or Isabella with a Castilian accent, that add a sense of authenticity, but it's totally let down by the screwed up gameplay systems. Like Simon Bolivar as a leader, but no Gran Columbia or anything close as a civ to play, so no matter who you pick he's mismatched, and only gets more so switching around, and he's not alone. If you're gonna detach leaders from civilizations, you should still have their home civ available.
>>738479000I don't know what firaxis did, but it keeps on creasing when I try to play it now and I don't give enough of a shit to investigate and fix it
>>738481779>a billion>two
>>738475864>>738479527I have a feeling she's somewhat influenced in this game by her depiction in "The Great" comedy tv show with Elle Fanning that had her as a young woman. Which might explain why she's a cutesy waifu in the same entry that has so many ultra tryhard "progressive" leader choices.
>>738475273https://civilization.2k.com/civ-vii/game-guide/gameplay/time-tested-civs/
Alexander being added for free.
>>738475273>So we spent a good long while analyzing and taking to heart all of the critiques we received, eventually boiling it down to a few basics:>1. The core tradition of Civ, for the entirety of its 30+ years of existence, has centered exclusively on playing as a single civilization from beginning to end. To upend that essential piece so suddenly, without even the option to continue telling that same meta-historical tale, felt like too far a break.>2. The critical fantasy of Civ is one that empowers through agency. Less of a sim and more of a sandbox, taking the Mayans to the moon, or engaging in nuclear armageddon as Gandhi are these incredibly cathartic, supremely Civ-ish experiences, because you could choose to engage in these reality-defiant histories. By removing a key part of that agency, the ability to produce that familiar fantasy felt missing.>3. The consistency of play and historicity wasn’t always there, as we asked players to go from leading those once moon-bound Mayans to… the Incans? To… Mexico? Some “historical” pathways felt more than a little off, and not all had a great way to feel “complete." Couple that with the mechanical mental load of learning new identities and capabilities not just for your new civ but new competing civs on each Age Transition, and it began to feel like an overburdening that broke many out of the strategic flow state that Civ is known for.No shit?
>>738475273Can you stop with this thread already? Hope you die, lazy shill.
>>738482915seems like the sort of thing that should come up in the earliest part of development
>>738485060>STOP TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES ON MY TWITTER POLITICS BOARD
>>738475273Are they gonna give me George Washington too?
>>738475635Because "people play the beginning parts of civ more." Which is completely retarded since to reach the endgame you have to go through the start and any sort of attrition will always skew the average towards the beginning
crack for this shit game when\
so do you just not get napoleon if you dont make an account? Thats a bit scummy >>738486350no you only have ben franklin.
>>738486560Civ isn't historical. It was always anachronisticThe autism fits people have on civ switching as an arbitrary line in the sand about ruining their immersion is retarded
>>738475864>>738475273>>738482696They always seem to nail it with Catherine.
>>738486707Did you reply to the wrong person?
>>738486707Because nobody wants to fucking play as England and then be forced to pick from Kenya, Pakistan and Bolivia.
So how is this game bow? I haven't played Civ since IV.
>>738484642>The consistency of play and historicity wasn’t always thereIt never was. It's a game about you playing a civilization so powerful it was able to exist from the beginning of recorded history that never collapsed via its own internal problems or become subject to another one which is next to impossible. People can bring up China and Egypt, but their histories show a lot of changing hands in leadership through internal struggles as well as being under the rule of other foreign powers, so not the idea of what Civ pushes which is "a civilization that stands the test of time."
>>738475273Fuck no...unless they release Civ8.
>>738487039No one said it wasn't a fantasy, but interrupting the fantasy forcibly is dumb.
>>738486460crack for this fucking shit game when fucking jews fucking faggot fucking jews cant wait to stealy our fucaggot fucking game
>>738483890Looks fine.
How rich do I have to be to pay some AI and Indians to make me a nu version of Civ 4? That's all I want.
>>738487206I'm agreeing that it shouldn't have been interrupted because it's not following the core idea of Civ.
>>738486876its cartoon trash, civ V with vox poppuli mod will absolutely rock your world if you enjoyed civ IV
>>738487365>some AI and IndiansYeah real quality game you're gonna get there
>>738477465sovl
>>738487365already exists see >>738487492vox populi is what you want, go try it now
>>738486779For me it's still V
>>738479301>tribal society tenuously ruled by chiefs superficially assuming the style and customs of their ancient semitic Egyptian and Arab neighbors.>civilizationWhat? Are the Australian aboriginals a civilization too? They are really charitable with the word civilization when it comes to certain races.
>>738487926in civ it's totally fine to include non high functioning advanced civilizations
>>738487710Is that areola tease modded? Been a while since I played V.
>>738488567It's straight from the Civ wiki
>>738487710
>>738477613based.
>>738475273>Can it save this entry or is it too little too late?This was just the most obvious and glaring issue. The game still has way too much shit to point out in a single post with a 2k character limit
>>738489637like?
Wokeness destroyed another game company.
>>738491596It's a gameplay mechanic
>>738489337>>738487710>>738475864>>738486779alright someone at Firaxis has a thing for this particular monarch
>>738491939Everything flows from their wokeness. It's to push for multiculturalism, the idea that everyone is the same etc.
>>7384790006 was always good it just has a shitty artstyle and there were too many female leaders7 is a shitty structure built on a shitty foundation and no amount of overhauling will ever make it good
I like the new map algorithms they have for VII at least. I feel like I could never get too immersed in the maps of VI, maybe it was too board game looking
>>738477560You don't swap wildly to some random unrelated civ in EU4 unless you're cheesing the game and it is definitely not a core part of gameplay
>>738477560Claiming the de jure territory and name of a preexisting or yet-to-exist larger kingdom or empire in your region is reasonable, like the Franks taking the Roman name and it eventually sticking as the HRE. You're also distinctly forming a regional power in that region once you have control over enough of it. You're not just leaping to a totally different civilization
>>738475864That's my wife.
>>738475864How about they add an option to have all the leader interactions address the camera like this instead of the Mortal Kombat vs screen?
>>738492302You're a retard seeing patterns in clouds.
>>738479000It was good, the only thing people complained about Civ6 was the shitty art style. The systems in place were pretty solid
>>738475273>Age Transitionsthe game still comes to a screeching halt twice when the age changes. they didn't fix anything, they just gave you another minor option
>>738483890Reminds me of an actor but I'm not sure who.
>>738486350George Washington was a slave-owning chud
>>738497303They have several brutes and warmongers in the game
>>738475273Don't care still playing 6Suck my cock Firaxis
>no Gandhi
>>738477203Most Shit Take in the Universe Award goes to (You), lmfao
>>738475273Does she speak German or French with German accent as she did irl or do they still pretend that she's russian?
>>738487542>>738477465This was one of the best things and part of the reason why 3 is still my favorite.
>>738486779she's very tsundere in this one
>>738497903civ 7 sucks you lost
Yeah yeah but Civ has never had good AI plus on top of that the multiplayer is desync as fuck lol how is it even possible this series is so popular when you just vs brain-dead bots who the only semblance of challenge is beatikg their jacked up yields and when you try to play with a friend it's nothing but crashes and corrupted saves
>>738497981Russian, but given they already have several French speaking leaders I can see why they wanted the sound of Russian instead. She did learn Russian in real life, even if she spoke French at court. I don't know if her Russian in the game has an accent or not since I don't speak Russian OR French, but they have Napoleon accurately speaking with a Corsican accent (according to players anyway, again, me speaky no Frenchy) compared to Lafayette so maybe they did for her too.
>>738499160>if her Russian in the game has an accentIt doesn'tThen again them dei fag nazi niggas got away with using music from a shitty burgeroid movie about a nuke sub written by jews and there is no anti-defamation league for slavs
>>738497981Russian. Their reasoning given was>We know Catherine's home language, and the court language, but the levels of confusion and annoyance that we'd getting her to speak French or German would be high.and that representing her speaking Russian with a thick German accent could come off in-game as making fun of her
>>738497303So was basically every ruler up until the end of the early modern period.
I have no issue with civ 4 graphics. Just make another game with that.
>>738475273>evolve your empire into a different civilizationthis makes zero sense, stupidest shit everand i already hate civilization because it makes no sense. they made it make even less sense.
>>738477560>Swapping civs is a core mechanic in many other games, like EU4. It's fun too.It's pretty stupidly done in paradox games though. Like in your image, the Mughal Empire was founded under very specific circumstances. A more generic "make super state" decision would make much more sense.
>>738501986It's more evil when yt people own slaves
>>738475471When I was a younger lad I really liked her defeat cutscene in civ 5I had a save just before conquering Russia's last cityI would load it up and beat it to see the cutscene, then beat itBut in my defense, they HAD to have known what they were doing
>>738503732Of course, they've made Catherine a flirt since IV
>>738503509But many of the leaders in the game ARE white
>>738475273so, why did they capitulate to chuds? it's literally just a vocal minority complaining.it sends a very bad messaging to comunity, basically telling they can be intimidated by harassment.
>>738505024It's the single most recurring criticism of the game. Guess they figured that making it an optional mechanic rather than a mandatory one wouldn't cost them anything, and would win over some of the dissenting opinions.
>>738475635It's obviously them wanting to force diversity politics onto gamers though in a subtle way. It's no different than the forced integration of schools through bussing.
>>738505024>>so, why did they capitulate to chuds
>>738505169No, it was an attempt to simplify it for more players, it just backfired both in gameplay and in immersion.
>>738475864how'd they manage to slip this minx past the "consultants"?
>>738479000the movement rules are horrible garbage and make moving anything clunky as shit because you cant use your last movement point to cross rivers for example
go back to squares
aww hheEEeelll naw
What if the civilization remained the same... but the historical characters were the ones that changed from era to era, and each era would be embodied by like the Spirit of Alexander and then the Spirit of Joan of Arc and then the Spirit of Napoleon and they would do different stuff
>>738509064That would have made way more sense than what they did.
Playing as one civ throughout an entire campaign is literally leftist historical revisionism. As a history buff, the idea of Aztecs launching nuclear missiles or dealing with Amerimutts during the Roman era is disgusting and immersion-breaking
>>738475471
>>738479631>"advance through the ages">it's backwards
>>738487710Did Catherine really look like thatI thought she was fat
>>738475635On its face it’s not a terrible idea, civilizations rise and fall, and using them as an excuse to let you mix up the gameplay or swap out special units is a major improvement over>hurrr you had Quechuas in the stone age? No more special shit the entire gameThey were surprised people actually liked the more static experience.
>>738509064Leaders require more animation assets than civs and so are harder to just shit out for dlc, please understand
>>738505169thisits meant to be humiliation ritual for chuds, as in "civilizations fall constantly, its nothing weird in being replaced in your own country"
>>738477560>disingenuous jeet being disingenuousI'm shocked
Can you pirate it yet
>>738512460later in life she got fat
>>738475273You know someone came up with that mechanics cos they saw it on human kind. Just imagine that guys face when they decided to remove the feature lol
>>738515281Now imagine that guy's face when they saw the player count compared to V and VI
>>738475273me on the left
>>738515281I don't even think it's a bad mechanic but how fucking retarded to you have to be to force civ switching onto everyone, it should have been something optional from the very startThe only reason they did that shit was so that they could nickle and dime DLCs better
>>738475767>6 was badWhy?
>>738475273Is this the biggest walkback by a dev since WoW Classic?
>>738488567>>738489181No it's not. But if that's on the wiki that's fucking great.
>>738505169>modern age buganda from egypt>tubman>negro mongol ada bit too much for plausible deniability
>>738487926Shitlibs love pretending that brown literally-who tribes were on equal footing with Whites and Asians, even if those tribes were bloodthirsty psychopaths like Dahomey.
>>738516805>>negro mongol ad?
>>738517482https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZx9XHdD5m4
It is I, Alfred the Great, of Korea. I mean, Mali.
Where's my girl?
>>738475273Ingenious. Truly.
>>738475273Gamers: I wish devs would try new thingsDevs: Okay, here's a new thingGamers: I hate this and I hate you! DELETE THIS NOWWhy are gamers like this?
>>738520568New things can be bad.
>>738520568A new thing they tried was hexagonal tiles. People liked them just fine once they got used to it.
What Civ should I play if I never played any of them before?Its one of the few franchises I've never played
>>738521310Alpha Centauri
>>738479000Yes, it's good. It's different from 5 but it's good as an alternative. There's plenty of mods to make it better too. I don't like the global warming mecahnics because it's not fun/effective, I do like the natural disasters.
>>738520568>I wish devs would try new thingsSaid no Civ fan ever.Nobody asked for era resets, civ switching, civ independent leaders, forced AI managed cities, etc.Also making the UI absolute shit isn't trying new things.The only thing in Civ 7 that people asked for is navigable rivers.
>>738475864built exclusively for shaka zulu and his impi
>>738477613Do you really have enough time to play Civ III/IV with so many hot chicks begging you for sex, Civchad?
>>7385213105 then 6.Make sure to have all the expansions.
>>738521517>hot chicks begging you for sexI mean, it really doesn't take a long time to say "no, fuck off".
>>738479430>Civ VI was good on release dumbass.I too love it when rome rushes ironworking, builds 2-3 legion Unique Units, uses them to chop an armory because legions can chop woods, and rush great general projects for stacking +5 bonuses on each legion, giving them more melee combat power than a ww2 tank except its still turn 30 and you maybe have a horse and two archers
>>738521310V
>>738521310IV is easily the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOF9v-W6kdcThey failed Christopher, they must make amends.
>>738475273Are the maps still ridiculously small? After playing Paradox games Civilization just feels claustrophobic asf
>>738475273Honestly, they shoulda left this in the dumpster just all-in’d on civ 8 with the main marketing pitch as a ‘return to tradition’ and ‘giving the fans what they want’.Vidya, especially nowadays, live and die on first impressions, and civ 7 had an atrocious first impression.Not to mention, as another anon wrote in so other thread, civ 7 is now some bastard hybrid as they up-ended the core engine to plug the old square peg in a now round hole. The game wasn’t built around it at the conceptual level, and a ‘large update’ can only do so much.Also XCOM died so they can choke on this.
>>738522568These games take a long time to make, a Civ 8 would be 4-5 years off at least if not more. That's a long time to go without your bread and butter franchise being on top, better to try to salvage this one from the botch.
>>7385213104 if you want the ai to actually threaten you
>>738497229Lucas Marinelli or something the like, the dude that played not snake in death stranding 2
>>7384790006 was better than 5 as a single player experience because it felt like you were fighting separate computer opponents rather than mine super-AI with multiple puppets working together to specifically turbofuck you.
>>738522961one super-AI*But 5 was the better multiplayer experience because it was the last time Firaxis cared about balance
>>738521994Also killed it for VIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQYN2P3E06s
>>738497229Bradley Cooper?
>>738481992Problems are hard to fix when you don't realize what the problem actually is.
>>738495736
>>738516136Really funny to go from animated leaders with full backgrounds, to animated leaders and concept art backgrounds, and finally clumsily animated leaders with no background, just a clipart banner. And the price just increases each time.
>>738495736>Elizabeth is disappointedI have failed her majesty.
>>738523774Part of their detaching leaders from civilizations. can't have Theodora with Constantinople behind her if she's leading the Incas. Not that Theodora is in VII.
>>738524957Genius
