i shouted KINO
I sharted
It's up.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gD04Hif4gc
>>738475887I just stared at the screen with a blank expression. Whole scene felt a little silly
>>738475887i wish we got at least one week to stew on ch3 by itself can you imagine the condensed schizophrenia?
>>738476664IMAGINE if we had to WAIT a year or 3 after the ending of chapter 3 before playing chapter 4The kind of pure schizo that the fanbase would be consumed by
>>738476664I don't think it would have changed muchProbably more focus on "what the fuck were Undyne and The Knight doing for 5 hours" and people bitching about Firegrave not happeningDess Knight might not have gotten such a stranglehold if people were given more time to get behind Mayor Knight before she showed up
>>738475887
mike = mike stoklasathink about it....
THERE IS NO GASTERTHERE IS NO THIRD ENTITYAND THERE IS NO MIKE
>>738479560mike gaster is the third entity
>>738476205saar
me while i WAIT
>>738476524this is good autism
>>738475887I literally couldn't wait and had to boot up Chapter 4 after that. Strongest cliffhanger that ended up not going anywhere in 4 lol. Ended up playing it for nothing.>>738476664People would probably deny Kris was working on the Knight and people would genuinely think the shelter is the next Dark World. Also the Knight would've broken people's minds even more.>>738476524Halfbreadchaos is my favorite theorist, started watching it and it's funny he's being autistic about the names.>>738477242I think the bat would've still made people believe in Dess Knight, but Mayor Knight would've an actual following, yeah.
>>738475887release chapter 5 ya hack
>>738476205That's a way of saying that you don't care in some countries.
>>738476664Chapter 3 is not very good though , it's literal filler and the entire premise of the chapter is specifically to waste your time
what if the man behind the tree is also the man behind the slaughter
>>738481807that's why the idea WAIT would only be a weekch4 would be complete, it would just be a staggered release for the maximum amount of oc
>>738481896Gaster isn't the child murderer, that's Asgore. He's also green.
>>738482087it's still not clear if the man and gaster are one and the same
>>738482186I still think he is because it's funny, at least him being Deltarune Gaster
>>738481896
>>738482772Alphys is Eggman and Gaster is Gerald
Asriel is the Knight
>>738475887>deltarune newfag>I shouted FILM while playing my video game!LOL
>>738481807>Chapter 3 is not very good though , it's literal filler
>>738483165Asriel was the Knight in 2012rune, Dess is the Knight now.
>>738483621did asriel even exist in 2012rune? afaik the only defined characters were kris, susie, lancer, and jevil
>>738483716Kris most likely had a big brother and that was the Knight in that version, not literally Asriel from Undertale.
>>738480995We LOVE WAITing here.
>>738483165Good, now tell me WHY Asriel, who's supposed to be in college, is running around creating fountains, beating the shit out of his adopted brother and his friends, summoning titans and attempting to start the roaring?
>>738484527Deer pussy changes a man.
>>738484658He's canonically a scalie
>>738484767Asriel might like dragons the most but he has never dated one ironically enough.
>>738483165Chapter 1 era ass theory
Heres a challenge, find a Deltarune theory video that doesnt mention Gaster
>>738476524"Ramb is 'ERAM'" pros>Explains why ERAM has special knowledge and interest in Kris>Explains the game being tampered with and the weird stuff happening backstage>don't need to invoke unknown characters>clear parallels with other secret bosses"Ramb is 'ERAM'" cons>fails the defining "secret boss" criteria, actually having and giving you a Shadow Crystal>doesn't explain everything that ERAM knows (Ramb wouldn't know anything about Snowgrave)>ERAM doesn't talk like Ramb>ERAM is openly malicious toward Kris while Ramb treats Kris with nothing but reverence and goodwill>theories that hinge on "this character's whole personality and motivation was a lie" are bad>unclear how Ramb is supposed to do anything in the third stage when he's already half-stone and can't even move on his own>doesn't explain what happened to Ramb, ERAM simply leaves and we have a witness that implies they saw something happen to Ramb, presumably caused by the same malicious actor that tampered with the game>doesn't address additional context (pink-and-yellow and FRIEND connections between ERAM and the game but not Ramb, the SMILE in the vending machine that disappears after ERAM is defeated)I would like to say it's overall a good video that doesn't really prove anything because it completely focuses on the "secret boss parallels" framework designed to justify the conclusion, but the whole "what if Baby Kris stuck their knife into the electrical socket and caused a fire that caused the divorce" is such insane Jaru-tier pulling shit out of your ass that it kind of soured the whole thing for meThe section pointing out the parallels between the Mantle fight and the Knight fight was interesting, at least
>>738476664People be pissed though because Chapter 3 by itself would been a direct downgrade after Chapter 2
is the new chapter out or something?
>>738485089He did give the alligator crackhead chick his first kiss. Odd how attention is put on mauve(purple), curious.
>>738485413No
>>738484527Why does everyone take the Asriel college thing at face value, how can people not tell it's obviously a fake cover story for Asriel having disappeared recently? When sans says "maybe you'll see my brother when Asriel comes home" he's CLEARLY being sly. What sans is actually saying is that he KNOWS the Asriel college thing is bullshit.The ONLY way Toriel (and by extension everyone else) knows Asriel is "at college" is because she talks to him via email, which would be very easy for Kris to fake. Especially since Toriel is an older woman who could fall for internet hoaxes like this easily. Why do you think Hometown's internet is out? Kris sabotaged it cuz Toriel kept pestering "Asriel" asking when he was coming home. I don't think Asriel is dead but he's clearly NOT at college and this is a coverup. And Kris is running out of time to do whatever desperate shit they're trying to do before Toriel finds out Asriel is not at college.
>>738484767This is subtle foreshadowing that Asriel is gonna try grooming Susie btw
>>738484767He also fucked CattyIt kind of sounds like Asriel's just a whore
>>738485347I really dislike that he just forgot pixel Seam, too when talking about the possibility of Eram being Seam.
>>738485587wouldn't she just call him on the phone
It's been a year now and I still have not heard even ONE theory that would explain why Toriel waking up in Ch.3 would apparently be a very, very, very bad thing. They really hammer it home that some terrible shit would happen if she woke up, and I still have no idea why
>>738485592Finally, a good ship
>>738485816I forgot where the game says it but Asriel's phone is conveniently "broken" at the moment
>>738485587Except Kris googles ''summer vacation college when''.
>>738485528The Bratty stuff was more her fault than his, too. He lost the truth and dare and thus got kissed by her. Stuff in 4 also implies Dess was involved in the book with the naughty music video and the drawings in her room iirc.
>>738485587>how can people not tell it's obviously a fake cover story for Asriel having disappeared recently?Because that doesn't make any fucking senseWe've litigated this since Chapter 1 and it only makes less sense over timeAsriel didn't just disappear recently, he's been at college for some time, everyone in town knows thisAnd the idea that Kris somehow fooled everyone and even his own mother isn't in on this is beyond retarded, even more than the usual angle for this shit. You think Asriel just didn't come home one day and Kris told Toriel "yeah he just decided to go to college suddenly right now" and she fucking bought it? Are you fucking for real?
>>738485587Asrielknight is such a bad theory but it's impressive how it's still standing despite having no evidence whatsoever
>>738485830She's strong and would BTFO the Knight and ruin the plan if awake.
>>738485962Yeah, to tell Toriel. If Asriel is actually at college he would have emailed Kris and told them when he's coming home. Or Kris would have asked him. Kris has to look under the college dates online because he's not actually at college and they needed something to tell Toriel
>>738486027Not him and I don't believe it but Asriel could've planned it with Kris and "left" Hometown to secretly return.
>>738485731Someone said it feels like a theory that would have come out a month after release instead of almost a year and I agree (he even says something like that in the video, minor recent edit aside)The whole "the Mantle is a bunt fire blanket" nonsense is even more annoying because it's completely unnecessary justification, the character in the game doesn't HAVE to look like the person controlling it, you can just use a different controller! That's a whole thing in Chapter 3!
What IS the original Mantle game in the Light World? Tenna actively had to edit it out to make the boars, so what's the object or thing that Kris has been playing with for years that represents the original game?
>>738486480dragon blazers 2 iirc noelle explicitly mentions the glaceir maze in one of her blog posts
>>738486480Romhack of Dragon Blazers made by Asriel.
>>738486593We don't know if Kris and Asriel have that.We do know they have the Cat Petters RPG (which Noelle calls a Dragon Blazers rip off) and they have Asriel's Undertale-reference RPG and there's also an old drawing of the Cyber City with Seam that Kris and Asriel drew as kids (which is how the City appears in the game)I think it's more like Tenna's Game/MANTLE is just drawing from everything it can grab, it's not just one thing in particular.
>>738486187Yeah, I haven't finished watching it but it annoyed me how he said there was nothing connecting Seam to the house when there literally is. So far not his strongest video.
>>738486616How do you think Toby feels about the groomer Dess meme? Repulsed by it or the #1 commission client
>>738487218toby has been on the internet for years, he loves touhou and he's friends and collaborated with known shota enjoyer omocathe probably finds it amusing
>>738487218He's friends with Omocat, he probably finds it amuzing internet degenerates already managed to pervert Dess in that way.
Doing unspeakable things to Miss Mizzle
>>738487218legitimately i would not be surprised of he makes a cheeky reference to it
>>738487912* You looked through the drawer and found...* An old photo of Dess cutting your hair.
the ending of chapter 2 and whatever kris and the knights plan is with the tv darkworld makes no sense.
>>738487912Dess will win the pet grooming contest in Hometown
>>738488279Very convoluted isn't it. Good thing Toriel just sat there and feel asleep WHILE SOMEONE WITH A KNIFE was snooping around her house slashing her tires, good thing she remained asleep through out the whole ordeal, good thing it took Undyne (who was itching for shit to pop off in hometown) 3-5 business days to arrive.
>>738475887I've never played Undertale. Should I?
>>738488857Yes, it's a fun game with good music
>>738488361I actually could totally see him doing this.
>>738488817The whole sequence with Kris makes 0 sense. Why does they have to slash the tires so Toriel calls the police? Why doesn't Kris just call the police themselves? Just make up a reason! Even if they are known for being a prankster, I really doubt they would ignore an emergency call from them. Or even the knight or whoever was on the phone with Kris in chapter 4, could make a call in the light world and say theres something going on at Toriels house.Toriel falling asleep also makes no sense. So she notices the tires are slashed, calls the police and then falls asleep? Is she a narcoleptic or something, who calls the police and then doesn't even wait for them to arrive before dozing off?
>>738488279I mean, it's not super complicated. The plan was just to open a Dark World at night so the Knight can kidnap a sleeping Toriel. Everything else Kris does is a bit convoluted though.
>>738490005>Why doesn't Kris just call the police themselves? Just make up a reason! Even if they are known for being a prankster, I really doubt they would ignore an emergency call from them. Or even the knight or whoever was on the phone with Kris in chapter 4, could make a call in the light world and say theres something going on at Toriels house.This would implicate both of them and directly connect them to the last time Undyne showed up, especially if it's a lie. The way it's done in canon makes them completely unrelated to Undyne’s disappearance.
>>738490116How isn't Toriel implicated since she is the one who called the police station? I'll admit it's been a while since I played chapter 4, but I don't remember anyone questioning Toriel about Undynes disappearance or Toriel even making any mention of calling the police last night and not seeing anyone show up.
>>738490270Toriel’s tires where actually slashed so she has actual motivation to call the cops, unlike Kris or anyone else just blatantly lying about it.
>>738490010toriel was bait undyne was the real target, why else would the knight use the slow ass tractor beam on toriel when it could just swoop in and snatch her like it did with undyne?
>>738476664i do wish we had more time to tennapost before the plot showed up and the threads devolved into /utg/
>>738485830Both in-story and from the writer's perspective, Toriel waking up and becoming aware of what's going on would be an enormous complication that has to be addressedIf you want a straightforward justification, we know that the entire plot of Chapter 3 follows the premise that Kris made a "deal" with Tenna. Tenna was instructed to locate and capture Toriel, keep her safe and securely asleep, and to stall the Heroes for as long as possible, waiting for The Knight to come and collect her.It is very likely that Kris made it clear to Tenna that Toriel had to be kept sleeping, because if she was awake she would resist being taken by The Knight and have to be subdued by force, endangering her.>* WHAT!? She ROLLED OVER in her SLEEP!?>* You know she'll be in GRAVE DANGER if she's AWAKE for this, right!?It is also extremely likely that Kris did not want their mother to be taken, and the actions they took before creating the Fountain were deliberately setting up Undyne to be taken instead.Assuming that they are both operating on the orders of the "mastermind" who talks to Kris on the phone in Chapter 4 (Carol), it is likely that The Knight was sympathetic to Kris's own plan to set up Undyne instead, and was willing to wait as long as they could for her to show up — but they WOULD have taken Toriel as ordered if Kris's plan failed, if Undyne failed to arrive or if Toriel woke up.TL;DR without invoking any fanfiction about the Dark World working differently for adults for some reason, it makes sense that Toriel was being kept asleep for her own safety, because The Knight was coming to take her
Can somebody explain to me why this Deltatroon shit is allowed on /v/?
>>738486480The parallels with The Prophecy mean it's almost certainly meant to be some version of Dragon Blazers, even if the blacked-out title seems to spell "MANTLE"
>>738490369To not wake her up. Undyne was just the backup.
>>738490494trash has a containment threas
>>738490606i understand why kris and tenna by proxy would be scared of waking up toriel, but why would the knight?we see undyne is strong enough to bench press cars, if the knight can swooce her away surely toriel would be much the same
>>738490814Toriel is Asgore tier and thus much stronger than Undyne, she's at a different tier.
>>738490369>Using your own mother as baitAs if I needed any more reason to hate Kris. Bitch boy is in for the raping of a lifetime.Also, people keep saying Kris and the Knight are working together yet Toriel needed to be used as bait? Clearly the two are not on the same page if Kris needed to use the cops to avoid Toriel being taken.
>>738475887Why did Toby cut Kris laughing during this scene?
>>738490338You don't need a deep motivation to just call the cops, especially if it's just for a wellness check. They could have easily come up with a reason for Undyne to go to the house without having to do something like slash tires. Just say they heard some unusual noise coming from the house or something, Undyne complains in chapter 1 there's nothing to do in town, I doubt she would ignore a simple call like that.
>>738490369Correct. The reason why the knight was taking so long was because she was waiting for Undyne to arrive. The knight only showed herself at the very last second, because otherwise Toriel would have been freed. Even then it kept stalling as much as possible. I don't understand how people don't realize this. Undyne was very clearly the target.
>>738491036Undyne knows Kris is a troublemaker and wouldn't come. If Kris lied he would also get in trouble afterwards.
>>738490927cops probably wouldn't take kris seriously if he called, toriel is well respected so if she calls it will be taken as legitimate the real question is why did it take so long for undyne to show up
>>738491035toby probably remembered the reaction to chara laughing when she accidentally poisoned asgore and didn't want another round of 'chara/ kris is le crazy psycho'
>Kris will betray Susie for THIShttps://files.catbox.moe/eyfcbk.PNG
>>738491036Undyne laughs at Kris when he talks about the Dark World, I don't think she would take him seriously to show up in the middle of the night. At best she would wait until tomorrow. >>738491035Would make him to blatantly evil. Both that and Kris's eye lightning up where removed in 3 and 4.
>>738481645maybe in india can understand.
I love reading posts. Especially the posts.
Can someone give me a QRD on friend? I don't know why he's associated with Gaster or why he's considered evil.
>>738491578he has a spooky smile and shows up in dark places, occasionally appears to assist antagonists, sorta that's it, there is no gaster relation at the present time
>>738491578He looks spooky and his eye color scheme is referenced everywhere. That's it. It's just theory-bait that shizos fall for.
>>738491578hes inside you
>>738491578He's Ralsei
Seriously why did he do this
>>738491578Spooky cat that shows up sometimes with pink and yellow eyes. Sprite is named like Gaster stuff so people think he's Gaster related. People think he's the tail of hell in the prophecy because of Sweepstakes pages and thus kidnapped Dess to the shelter.
>>738491865chara did that
>>738491865Kris is a very edgy chuuni boy.
>>738491865Alluding to the soulless pacifist ending to throw you off. In-universe Kris is just being his prankster self.
>>738492093I wish Deltarune was the game Toby always wanted to make since the fever dream and not this Chapter per chapter inconsistent experience full of references to remind you it's Not!Undertale while making callbacks to Undertale just to troll
>>738491578People claim he's related to Gaster, which he might be, but the truth is he's pic related.>(Don't let your guard down. That chair is going to kick your ass!)
>>738491578>I don't know why he's associated with GasterWhen FRIEND first appeared in Chapter 2, the associated files for him are IMAGE_FRIEND and DEVICE_FRIEND, which stand out among the usual filenames used in Deltarune but do fit alongside all the filenames used during the "Goner Maker" intro sequence the game has, like IMAGE_DEPTHS and AUDIO_DRONE. As it is generally assumed that the Goner Maker sequence is Gaster introducing you to Deltarune, that anything with these filenames are associated with him and his involvement, which has then been used to connect FRIEND to Gaster.>or why he's considered evil.FRIEND is a cat and has appeared in minigames that are associated with the in-universe game Cat Petterz, which is a riff on the late 90's PC game Catz where pet cats are represented as a series of spheresIn Chapter 4 a part of the prophecy has "the tail of hell" which is a tail represented by circles and a triangular point.Later one of the NPCs in Chapter 4 has a jumbled line that read "Lost where the forest would grow, the poor children followed the pointed tail. The poor children!".This is all taken to suggest an event in which FRIEND with "the tail of hell" managed to convince Kris and Dess to enter the Shelter, which is out where the forest would've grown.FRIEND also uses the reoccurring pink and yellow motif which connects it to Spamton, the Odd Controller used for the Sword Route (which FRIEND directly appears in), Gerson (hair and eye colour) and "The Field of Pink and Gold" due to appear in Chapter 5.
>>738491865To fuck with us. They know we can see them and where we watch them from.
I can't wait anymore. WHERE'S CHAPTER 5?!?!??WHERE IS IT????
>>738486616Sauce?
>>738491937Fuck yeahIt's been a while since she's had pie, she just had to have a taste. Even if it was via someone else's taste buds
>>738491385sauce?
>>738492507It's under there.
>>738490005>Why does they have to slash the tires so Toriel calls the police? Why doesn't Kris just call the police themselves?Toriel had to get spooked so she would stop Susie from leaving>So she notices the tires are slashed, calls the police and then falls asleep? Is she a narcoleptic or somethingThere's a fade indicating time passing between her sitting down and falling asleep, she doesn't just zonk out like Susie.The only real outstanding question is what the fuck was holding up Undyne for so long. And Toriel saying "I finally go through" like something else was holding up the cops, but there's no explanation in Chapter 4
>>738492507Finished at least a month ago, all that's left is to wait for the japanese translators:)
>>738492507TOBY!! I NEED CH5, TOBY!!!
>>738492335Chapter 1 was always supposed to be separated from all others as a demo so that reference would've been there no matter what.
>>738492507WHAT WILL YOU BE WAITING FOR AFTER 500 YEARS?
>dude cliffhangers and mystery boxeshack writing
>>738492719What the hell is this show? I see it everywhere but it looks too edgy to be a Cartoon Network style Teen Titans/capeshit affair.
>>738492776what if superman were evil, had a mustache and had a good guy son and was written by a cuck
>>738492618Chara had to suffer because she couldn't eat her regular chocolate and had to settle for pies.
>>738492776invincible, made by the guy who did the walking dead comics i've heard it's edgy libshit trite, but i've never watched it so take that with a grain of salt
>>738492748Fanfiction... I will still have fanfiction...
>>738492776Entertaining cape adventures, which mostly centers around the tragic life of Invincible. I enjoy it
>>738492859>what if Superman were evilWasn't there some alternative universe thing with him landing in Russia and being Super Soviet Man or something?>>738492871Edgy libshit trite is a hell of a description, and for some reason my first thought was 'Like Dispatch?'>>738492968Thanks
>>738492715That's done, the problem is that Toby is hiding because of spics.
>>738492750>dude why can't I figure out the story that's halfway finished
I like to hang around ???? at the start of Chapter 1. Such a cool place.
Invincible is an evil superman story written by a leftist authoritarian. Imagine Dragon Ball ending with Goku becoming king of all saiyans ruling over Freeza's empire, and that being portrayed as a good thing.
>>738493028We're over halfway through and we still have no idea what the bad guys are even trying to accomplish. That's bad.
>>738493198>we still have no idea what the bad guys are even trying to accomplish
>>738493296Well, what is it they're pursuing? It can't be the roaring, since they had plenty of chances to do it and didn't bother.
>>738493156There should've been an ending where Frisk becomes ruler of the underground, Toby dropped the ball there to appeal to the current age zoomers that like edgy shows.
>>738475887der toten
>>738493028>mind palace once again, tobias blatantly rips off the superior game
How can I become a Goner IRL
>>738493871Make a copy of yourself and have it kill you.
>>738493428The Roaring is the plan. The Knight is called "The Roaring Knight" for a reason. The Roaring is part of The Prophecy, the world's fated truth.We have plenty of information to hypothesize about why and how The Roaring will come about and what it would accomplish. There's an almost universal consensus about what the goal of the conspiracy is based on this information.I'm sure you're aware of this, but you want to dismiss it as "speculation," even though you're also speculating that The Roaring "can't be" the goal based on your own information.Not being told the endgame of a story when you're only halfway through it is not a "mystery box" plot. This is not serious criticism.
>>738494329If the knight's goal was the roaring they would have done it already (it's very easy). It has to be more than that.
>>738494329To be fair we knew very clearly Asgore wanted to open the barrier with the power of seven souls to free his kind. Meanwhile we don't even know how the Roaring is done and what the Knight gets from it.
We have no reason to believe the Roaring is bad just because some nerd homosexual goat told you so
>>738494908I don't even think the roaring is real
>>738494908Bro, the prophecy outright tells us the roaring will end the world.
>>738495067That's like saying the Bible is your source
>>738494908This is advanced contrarianism. We needs news ASAP.
>>738493871masturbate every day
>>738495067>the prophecythe prophecy told to us with VERY IMPORTANT DETAILS missed?the prophecy actively being censored by the guy who sends (You) into a cutscene to fuck off and scheme yah, okay
>>738495154Both of them are the immutable truth btw
>>738495416The entire plot of this game relies on Susie having an IQ of 85 and not asking enough questions like a good RPG protagonist would
>>738494797>To be fair we knew very clearly Asgore wanted to open the barrier with the power of seven souls to free his kindYou don't learn this in Undertale until Undyne infodumps it at you before her fight halfway through the gameYou don't learn that YOUR OWN goal is to kill Asgore and take his SOUL so you can leave because nobody tells you you need to do that until you beat MettatonAnd you don't learn until you defeat Asgore at the very end of the game that the REAL bad guy was Flowey all along, and that his goal is to use the human SOULs to become GOD, except he actually just wants to reset the timeline forever to keep playing with You because he's actually Asgore's dead kid and you are his brother except you're actually not you were a different kid all along>Meanwhile we don't even know how the Roaring is doneThe Knight summons a Titan by opening a fountain within a Dark World, which many people had already reasoned was how it would work, because this isn't a mystery box random events plot and we have been given a pretty good understanding of the setting and all the moving parts here>and what the Knight gets from it.We have a pretty good idea!I doubt it's something that we're going to have to go to the Scary Lore Basement and watch the Lore Tapes to even begin to figure out right before the final boss!>>738495067No, The Prophecy says that the Heroes will win and both the worlds will be savedAnd we know that everything is still following along with what The Prophecy says will happen!
>>738494908That's true, but we have no reason to believe it's good either.
>>738495672>>and what the Knight gets from it.>We have a pretty good idea!No we don't. Are you talking about the Evangelion theory? That's a guess based on nothing.
>>738495562How is Susie supposed to guess that Kris set up The Knight invading their home and attempting to abduct their own mother and that The Knight is actually Noelle's long-lost missing sister who she's barely even heard of?
>>738495786It's been the consensus since Chapter 2 that the most likely motivation behind The Knight conspiracy is to find or save Dess, and everything we've learned in Chapters 3 and 4 has only pointed to that harder.
>>738495823Susie could question how a fountain showed up in Kris's house if the Knight only showed up much later.
>>738495823Susie doesn't even suspect who the Knight might be despite her assuming it's some dude wearing a helmet she could beat up in the Light World. Looking for the culprit should be a logical step to follow
>>738495786>Are you talking about the Evangelion theory?Literally never heard of it. Explain.
>>738487218Closer to the latter.
>>738496074Bro, all the evidence for the knight's identity comes from symbolism. There's zero hard proof for Susie to use.
>>738496106The roaring causes human instrumentality, bringing Dess back to life. The knight conspiracy is following Gendo's plan from Evangelion.
>>738495672>You don't learn this in Undertale until Undyne infodumps it at you before her fight halfway through the gameWhich would mean we should know that already in Deltarune, which we don't. Also Papyrus is the one who tells us Asgore wants to open the barrier with soul power.>The Knight summons a Titan by opening a fountain within a Dark World, which many people had already reasoned was how it would work,This isn't true, the main theory is that would make a Neo Dark World. The truth of the matter is that we don't know the villains goal compared to Undertale.
>>738496187Never watched it. I am a fake weeb...
>>738493198>he thinks the story is half overToby's gonna have you going through the time loop several times, each with tons more content, to get the true ending. That's why it's taking so damn long. Each chapter is basically gonna be 7 chapters by the end.
>>738496187Does that mean we will see a moment of instrumentality where Kris is naked in the primordial soup with Dess also naked riding him with their bodies fused together and Kris
>>738496297Neither have I, but that doesn't stop me from shitposting. So far, nobody has ever called me out on it.
>>738496074>Susie doesn't even suspect who the Knight might be>Looking for the culprit should be a logical step to followcome on man
>>738496545
>>738496545Susie was thinking about leads to find the codes, not who the Knight is.
>>738496204>Which would mean we should know that already in Deltarune, which we don't."King ASGORE wants to take your SOUL to break the barrier and wipe out humanity""The Knight wants to start The Roaring to end the world"These are equivalent statements of the villain's intentUndertale's endgame ended up playing out with completely different circumstances, and there will undoubtedly be more complications and developments in Deltarune's plotYou're just arbitrarily asking more "how?" and "why?" from Deltarune
>>738496187been saying it for years
>>738496729WRONG>* Maybe... Maybe that's why the Knight captured Undyne?>* They wanted to take their code so they could get in...>* ... But in that case...>* They'd have to know the other two codes, too.>* Someone who goes to church... who knows the mayor...>* Who also has something to do with the cops?>* ... Who the hell could that be?
>>738496545>>738496627asgore fits the best ex cop, goes to church when no one else is around, is the mayors housekeeper on the sidethe as of now susie only knows about asgore's side gig, but surely she'll ask if she learns he was a cop, too
>>738492690>The only real outstanding question is what the fuck was holding up Undyne for so long.She let the dogs out and was busy catching them.
>>738496439We can be frauds... together.
>>738496978The main difference is that we knew how Asgore would do his goal and his endgame while we don't for the Knight. How exactly the Roaring happens and what the Knight gets from it is currently unknown.
>>738496627RudyGODS...
>>738497126That's optional, though.
>>738497060Susie suspecting Asgore would be interesting and seems possible if she witnesses or suspects that he made the Fountain in his shop, and it could lead to her becoming more suspicious of Kris and Noelle. But I think that would probably be preempted by seeing him in the Dark World not as The Knight, and learning the backstory about whatever happened with Dess.Susie's reasoning in Chapter 4 is flawed because she's assuming The Knight kidnapped Undyne to take her code, when it's obvious to us that The Knight and Kris were already using the Shelter as their base of operations and therefore must have already known the codes and have access to the Shelter.
>>738481807I still wanted to play the next board, though
What I dislike the most about this game is that it takes so fucking long for new chapters to come out that I end up having to replay all the chapters one by one to remember what the fuck is happening, this already ontop of having to replay again for secrets I missed
>>738497402that's the problem with a lot of seemingly important events it's entirely optional to view them, this goes for a lot of characters, toopeople speculate a lot about the side characters, but iirc the only mandatory townspeople are alphys, the class, and toriel in ch1, undyne in ch3, and rudy, alvin(?) asgore, carol, and sans in ch4everyone else is entirely optional
>>738497996I think Rudy and Alvin are optional, too. It's mainly the Undertale cast, Carol, Berdly and Noelle that have non-optional interactions.
>>738498173don't you have to talk to them in the church to progress? or can you get away with snowy/ mk, alphys, and noelle?
>>738497316>How exactly the Roaring happens and what the Knight gets from it is currently unknown.What do you mean "we don't know how The Roaring happens?"We're told 10 minutes into the game in Chapter 1 that opening too many Dark Fountains will end the world. Ralsei explicitly identifies this in Chapter 2 as "The Roaring" that will cause Titans to emerge from the Fountains and destroy the world. We literally watch The Knight summon a Titan by opening a Dark Fountain within a Dark World, which is what prompted Ralsei's panicked explanation in Chapter 2 when Berdly was about to do the same thing.>but why hasn't The Knight done The Roaring yetWhy isn't Asgore coming to kill you himself instead of waiting for you to come to him?Why doesn't Asgore just use one human SOUL to cross the barrier himself and get the rest of the SOULs he needs?How does getting human SOULs even allow Asgore to break the barrier? When did the other humans come before you, what were they like? I though humans were supposed to be way stronger than monsters, how has he killed some? What makes a monster that's taken a human SOUL so powerful, what do they look like? What was the deal with that flower?Once again, you and others are just treating Deltarune with much more scrutiny because you've had to stop reading halfway through the story and spent years overanalyzing every single detail you've been given.And the point was not even to compare Deltarune to Undertale, it was some retard claiming that we have NO IDEA where Deltarune's story is going which is just a lie, and saying if a story has a cliffhanger that's "hack writing" like every story should wrap up each segment with a little bow so you never have any mystery or dramatic tension to worry about. It's bullshit, you don't have to defend it.
>>738498423>we have NO IDEA where Deltarune's storyWe don't, though. We don't know what the villain team is doing nor what Kris is doing. The only one we understand is Susie.
>>738498297I think you only need to talk to Noelle and Alphys. Rudy is only required on the Weird Route.
>>738498423>It's bullshit, you don't have to defend it.I mean, yeah it is bullshit but I was just genuinely thinking about these things. Like, the Roaring is caused by too many fountains but we don't know how many fountains do it and if they all need to be opened inside a Dark World. I guess Deltarune being a longer game than Undertale makes it's mysteries more complex than Undertale.
>>738498538>We don't, thoughYou've been told two versions of a goddamn Prophecy that is literally objective metaphysical TRUTH outlining future events in the story. If you know how to read, you do not have "no idea" about what's going to happen. Shut the fuck up.
>>738476524>disregards seam because the reasoning is supposedly "they're both orange, catlike, and talk about similar topics, if you squint"Is Asriel's wallpaper containing an old drawing of Seam really such esoteric fandom knowledge?
>>738498774and before you reply to this "duh the Prophecy could change we just don't know what's going to happen until it happens!" you're doing retarded narrative solipsism that renders all discussion and speculation about the story meaningless until it's finished, making your entire argument dishonest and worthless. Shut the fuck up.
Why am I so obsessed with Friend?What is it about designs like this like are so cool
>still have to finish chapter 3 and 4>don't want to because i know i would forget most of the plot by the time 5 is out, like it happened to 1 and 2
>>738498423>We're told 10 minutes into the game in Chapter 1 that opening too many Dark Fountains will end the worldBack then, "opening" was an assumption. It was equally possible that fountains were emerging spontaneously and needed to be suppressed before they spiraled out of control and caused the roaring. Both places we had seen a fountain had been dark on the long term and presumably didn't have many visitors. Confirmation that fountains open due to the interference of Lightners acting upon the Light World came only in chapter 2.
>>738498731It's probably the Dark World within a Dark World (darker yet darker) that's immediately dangerous, maybe that's how you access "The Depths" where the Titans reside (and The Knight came from)Chapter 4 also has Titan Spawn just appearing from ordinary darkness within Dark Worlds though, so maybe it would be a problem if you simply opened too many separate fountains all over the placeEither way what Ralsei was saying is basically true
https://youtu.be/7f1RK1m7qvc?si=owPECENI454oG3NW&t=196
>>738498937>Why am I so obsessed with Friend?Because there is still mystery around him as no one can really tell what he is and what his role is
>>738492776It's a show about race mixing with occasional fight scenes.
you have to be 18 to post here, undertale fans should get banned outright.
>>738499207sovlvdokino
>>738499207>mizzels appear to chant the chorus up the stairs ch4 was kinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQQq1T06lYg
>>738485962And? It's the middle of fucking Autumn.
>>738491865he was hungry
>>738499207https://youtu.be/_A8SQAQ_yRo?t=63this part of ruder buster doesn't get enough love from peopleit's god tier
>>738500223It's like sex
>>738500223ruder buster is great and i wish it was the default ch3 fight song instead of being just for the mini bosses
>>738476524wait a minute that dog...
I don't care for Friend, and never will. I want to know more about Normal NPC.
>>738500549DISCOMBOBULATE.
What would have to happen in ch5 to make you react like this?
>>738501278If one of those fan videos where they play with the sprites as if it's the real game actually ends up being correct about something.
>>738501278the festival being disappointing
>>738501278The mandatory 10 minute Suselle scene. I'm already prepping for it.
>>738475887You know remember "a dark place" song/moment
>>738501278I could spend all night listing all the things, but my number one is Asgore being further humiliated by the story.
>>738501769Asgore will continue being humiliated until he has his big moment, that's part of his arc.
>>738501820This I don't get why /v/ has such a hard time understanding that Asgore's position in the story is supposed to make you empathize with him and isn't just Toby torturing his characters for fun.
>>738501862I've thought about it before and I think it's just because having a good writer is so rare in popular media that people don't trust anyone to tell a proper story, even someone who has already proven themselves like Toby.
>>738499792kys cumbarggling faggot, they won't do shit.
>>738499792someone who was 8 when undertale came out is 18 now, possibly 19 depending on the month of birth
>>738501820My whole point here is that I wish his neutral route depiction was everything about him. No "big moment" will ever undo the eggs-husbandry.
>>738501278the shadow crystal holder is yet another deconstruction of Jevil/Spamton
>>738502995This. I want patternfagging to be vindicated for once.
>>738499097>Back then, "opening" was an assumption. It was equally possible that fountains were emerging spontaneously>Begone! We have found fresh purpose.>For the KNIGHT has appeared.>The KNIGHT that pulls the Fountains from the Earth.>Holy Fountains, whose shadows are creating a new world...
>>738502995None of them were deconstructions. They only seem that way because you're an idiot who doesn't know what words mean.
>>738502995Jevil and Spamton are themselves based on something we have not seen yet.
>>738503379>LightbringerLOOK THERE HE IS!
>>738503379>>738503828linkara is the knight
>>738496545Asriel>goes to church>dated carol's daughter>police chief is his dad
>>738504237The only reason that people don't immediately clock Asriel as the Knight is because he was last seen at college weeks ago lolIf they suspected him for a second it would all begin to click, it's a very nicely made mystery that the best suspect avoids almost any suspicion with such little effort.
>>738503296Beware of the monkey's paw, we might get something really tongue-in-cheek and shitty like an out of place self aware cowboy schizo instead of a schizo that blends within his dark world.>>738503717Jevil was an extra boss that was retconned to have a shadow crystal. Chapter 2's secret boss was just going to be Mettaton NEO's body before Spamton took over, and he might be just a joke about a character that mimics a bunch of other characters for the game.
>>738503296it's not a pattern if it only happens twice it's simply fagging at this point
I need images of Asriel's soles.For research.
>>7385045212/7 is ~29% of the game, those two chapters repeat the same beats in many ways other than the schizos, and all that was riding the coattails of a game that repeated the same structure for 4/5 of it's sections.
>>738481807this, I felt fucking awful coming off of chapter threei was genuinely thinking>I waited four years for this shit?but chapter 4 got me back on board REALLY quick
>>738491865the boy was excited for his butterscotch pie
>* This time for sure... Tori will finally see.>* ... see what really happened.>* ... that I just wanted to... protect everyone...>* And this time, she'll have to believe me.>* ... they all will.Everyone's picked up on Asgore's downfall having something to do with Dess disappearing, but it doesn't seem like people have looked carefully at what he's actually saying here."see what really happened," "I just wanted to protect everyone," "this time, they'll have to believe me"Asgore isn't purely a victim of circumstance here, with the mayor's daughter disappearing on his watch as police chief. He did SOMETHING, to "protect everyone." Whatever he did, he fucked up BIG TIME, and nobody believed his justification for doing it.This is what I think happened>Dess and Kris stole the codes to the Shelter from their parents and opened it>Dess leads Kris into the pitch darkness, not realizing it's a Dark World>At some point, Asgore and maybe some others realize something's wrong and head to the Shelter>Dess and Kris are in danger, Dess is imperiled somehow, gets separated from Kris>Asgore runs in, sees the fucking demons menacing Kris, grabs Kris and gets the fuck out of there>Asgore closes the Shelter door, sealing it behind them, because there's fucking demons inside that were chasing him and his kid>Only now do they realize Dess is still in there>By the time they can get the door open again to look for her, the Dark World is gone>They search inside, but they can't find her anywhere, Dess is just fucking gone>Asgore is telling people it was like another world in there with magic and evil creatures, he had to protect Kris, he had to protect everyone>Kris is too young and traumatized to say anything useful>Dess is still fucking goneThis parallels entering the Dark World in Chapter 1, going into the dark space, the door slamming shut and falling into the Dark World. Except Dess got left alone and never came back. Until now
>>738504826This feeling is exactly why I agree with the idea that Chapter 4 should have come out earlier, there was no time to digest the important parts of Chapter 3 which would have taken a second playthrough to appreciate. Instead, everything in it is immediately overshadowed by Chapter 4, even though Chapter 3 contains important story elements which are not repeated or advanced by 4.
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>>738504826>this, I felt fucking awful coming off of chapter threesame>but chapter 4 got me back on board REALLY quicknah, 1st sanctuary got me back a little bit but the 3rd sanctuary destroyed the last remain of good will I had
>>738499792most of us were in high school/early college when UT dropped and it has been eleven fucking years
>>738505050come out later*
>>738499792Undertale came out when I was 19. I just turned 30.
>>738505039Extremely relevant here, I would even say the smoking gun: the UNUSED text from Chapter 3, the chapter that ends with Kris back in front of the Shelter, describing this exact scenario from Dess's POVThe same thing that she does to Kris and Susie in Chapter 1The reason that The Knight's own theme is based around the same motif as "THE DOOR"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWi1-9eLO_o&t=13shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Us0DZgexw&t=25sAlso, it would be incredibly ironic for Asgore's big life-ruining mistake in this timeline to be sealing a monster Underground
>>738505039aka it was his fault and asgore is a bitch
>>738486593>>738486480You know I'm glad you brought this up because the first time you go down the sword route ramb mentions that the game that they played in the beginning wasn't exactly the original. And dragon Blazers was based off of lord of the hammer right? What is the original prophecy? What's altered
>>738505872iirc it's the prophecy in the dark world > the church's version > lord of the hammer > dragon blazers > cat petterzi think someone mentioned that it's partially lost to time so whatever version they're reciting is the most accurate one they have, but it's not the whole thing
>>738481807I liked how it endedBasically for me ch3 was good at first, got tedious and then ended on a good note from doing ERAM -> Tenna -> knight
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>>738503379Huh, okay. I had forgotten that dialogue. Did anyone think the knight was a lightner at the time, actually?
>>738506181
>>738491865Nobody appreciates how subtle Toby is, even after the Undertale 10th Anniversary. Kris is doing much more behind the scenes than anyone suspects, and has been from the beginning.People are so caught in narrative inertia that they do not consider the implications of the things being shown to them. Kris is revealed to be a direct accomplice to the Knight, with foreknowledge of their plans, plans set in motion before the game even starts, and yet the fandom at large does not even stop to consider what that means for the things we see Kris doing before this information is revealed. It is as if people believe that Kris was not the Knight's accomplice until AFTER we found out about it, and only the actions he takes NOW are suspect.Every characterization and theory regarding Kris which does not take into account that they have been prepared for the events of the game since before the game started was proven to be wrong almost a year ago, but the fandom acts as if that is not the case to this very day.
>>738501278We get Berdley anal vore POV instead of the promised Susie unbirth POV we were promised.
>>738484767iirc there's something in Dess's room implying that he borrowed the book for her to use and will never return it because it's one of his last mementos of her.
>>738506663yeah you can find a drawing asriel made in her room
>>738476524I like Halfbreadchaos in the chapter 2 days because he put real effort into digging the game, but this video makes me feel he is still stuck in that mindset despite the game almost begging to stop thinking about it that way. I honestly couldn't even watch the whole thing.It feels like I'm the only patternfag that realized the game is telling me to stop seeking patterns.
>>738506663Found it:* (It's Dess's bed. Underneath are army rations, guitar picks, paintball gear, ice skates...)* (... and a badly traced drawing of a dragon.)Not clear who drew it, could've been Asriel who then gave it to her, or Dess could've drawn it herself.
>>738506794What do you mean when you say patterns? Are you referring to hypothetical patterns that reflect some abstract concept, like Chess Theory, or are you saying that it is wrong to believe that there is literally any meaningful pattern within the game at all?
>>738476524where did he go for so long
>>738506241That wasn't really clear until Chapter 2.King categorically hates Lightners, so it wouldn't really make sense for him to be reverently serving one (this came up with Kris Knight after Chapter 2, which led to people reasoning that King probably never actually interacted with The Knight before that was confirmed in Chapter 4).The Dark World being a fantasy version of the Light World was made pretty obvious after you seal the fountain and end up in the abandoned classroom with the obvious Light World counterparts, but it was unclear (and kind of still is) if the Dark World still existed as some other layer of reality whether there's a Dark Fountain to impose it on the Light World or not.Incidentally, the term "Light World" isn't used at all until Chapter 2, and "Dark World" is only used a few times in Chapter 1, namely when Kris is telling Undyne about it and it being mentioned by Ralsei if you refuse to listen to The Legend.
>>738507010From his video, I mean the "forgotten objects" thing that was common back in the day.
>>738499792Fucking underage get the fuck out of these threads. Time didn't start 16 years ago. Dumbass child who has no perception of time
>>738507239>King categorically hates Lightners, so it wouldn't really make sense for him to be reverently serving oneHe never met the Knight, and even if he had, he wouldn't necessarily be able to tell whether or not it's a lightner just from meeting them.
>>738506794I haven't watched his stuff that regularly so I don't want to judge too much, but it feels like he has a compulsion to connect dots in ways that lead to him going off into wild tangents, even when he's covering stuff that should be pretty objective like datamining>It feels like I'm the only patternfag that realized the game is telling me to stop seeking patterns.I don't exactly agree with that sentiment, Deltarune definitely relies on you connecting the dots sometimes. There are a lot of recurring significant phrases and themes and ideas (that's what a "motif" is), and plenty of deliberate callbacks and iteration on existing ideas.Chapter 4 frames Deltarune itself as a layered recurrence of ideas. The Prophecy is the root, repeated by Lord of the Hammer, repeated by Dragon Blazers, which recursively fulfills The Prophecy when the Heroes act it out in reality. Even beyond the game, Deltarune echoes many ideas from Undertale, and at the same time their occurrence in Undertale might have first been inspired by Deltarune. And Deltarune was inspired by even older ideas from Toby ("The edge of shadow, where reality and dream meet.").But to effectively look for patterns and motifs, and apply them to useful analysis, you need to be judicious about it. You have to be able to identify intent and significance, ideas need to mean something, and if you spread an idea too thin it loses all meaning. Gaster is associated with phones, but not every instance of characters using a phone has to be related back to Gaster. Gaster is associated with the number 666, does the number 66 being used signify something Gaster-y? Maybe, depending on the context.Is the fact that the ThornRing reducing Noelle's HP by 2/3rds leaves her with 55 HP in Snowgrave significant, given that 55 is "LV" in Roman numerals? No, that's just a coincidence. What if I use numerology to reduce character names and other ideas to numbers and compare them? No, that's how you develop schizophrenia.
>>738506242Is that real?
>>738501278If the chapter ends and we only have more dumbass mystery boxes to contend with and little to no answers for the existing ones
>>738507239Ah yeah, that's right.I don't remember what made me so sure, but I was dead certain King had not met or even seen the Knight, even back in chapter 1. Something happened, past tense, that gave him enough independence to go after the people he already held a grudge against. Talking about the good of the dark world or what the knight wanted was him justifying himself.So from that angle, I guess I might have dismissed the weight of anything King said to do with the Knight.>but it was unclear (and kind of still is) if the Dark World still existed as some other layer of reality whether there's a Dark Fountain to impose it on the Light World or not.Only "kind of" is, yeah. Some stuff Darkners know still doesn't quite make sense even through the lens of them being based partly on the memories of the lightner(s) responsible for their form, and instead still requires them to be dubiously aware of what happens to their light world body. I think the possibility chapter 1 floated about the dark world that chapter 2 tried hardest to clear up was literalism; some stuff in chapter 2 just outright cannot be correlated to anything physical, or has a nonsensical physical existence. A mouse wheel isn't a wheel made of computer mice, but a Mauswheel is just three Maice. Virovirokun and Poppup are programs, they don't have physical objects to "transform".Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure every Darkner in chapter 1 at least tried to imply itself to be a discrete and countable physical object.
>>738511097i would hope toby knows that ch5 is the one where he has to fess up with some of the shit he's been building up to since ch1, especially since this has always been the 'last' chapter when toby spoke of releases, with 6 and 7 only just recently ever being mentioned outside of the chapter select
>Susie recognizes a drawing of Seam on Kris's PC>She specifically has to bring up Seam being a cat (implying that his cat features are absent from the picture)>The picture isn't of Seam
>>738510107yep
The more and more time that passes the more I'm starting to believe that Deltarune as a setting was artificially generated than being plucked out of a living, breathing world. Everyone says that either The Knight or the Wing did a Ding and closed off HomeTown from the outside. But what if there never was an outside? What if every citizen there has false memories implanted of times and places that never really happened, and they show up when necessary for the story? The prophecy, the religious way of life for the entire town, is focused on this town specifically. Somehow only 4-ish people are confirmed to know wtf Dark Worlds even are. How did anyone else know to strike the earth with a blade or pointy object to create a world of magic and wonder? Why haven't the school staff (or just Alphys) ever checked the supply closet? Is the religion about the prophecy ever practiced anywhere else? Where was the inspiration for the Delta Rune religion if nobody knows what a Dark World is? How come there's no noteworthy news of anything that happens "out there"? What college did Asriel even go to, and why can't he be called? I don't think anyone in Hometown is real, not just because they're in a videogame.
>>738501278Suselle.
>>738514097from what little we've gotten, there's some implication that the 'discovery' of dark worlds is a more recent thing if you remember, kris already had a save way back at the start of ch1, he's been there beforeand given that we know kris, and presumably noelle, went to therapy as kids due to some kind of incident, chances are they were pulled into a dark world way back in the dayi believe that the owner of the pointed tail is what brought them there, perhaps it created a fountain in front of kris/ noelle/ dess/ asriel and whatever happened inside was responsible for the trauma, and the reason for dess' disappearance also the internet cable was cut according to alphys in ch1 iirc, presumably it's why the west road is blocked off, it's being repaired
>>738476524>penumbra phantasmHearing that this song was confirmed to never be used in Deltarune is one of the greatest media gut punches I’ve ever received. I understand the reasoning but it’s still maddening that one of his greatest works is relegated to the demos and rarities bin.
The knight is a darkner based on Kris's knife.
>>738514720then how did susie see the knight running across hometown?how was the knight absent in the ch1 & 2 fountains when it was on kris' person?
>>738514582That would imply that the tail's owner is a Lightner.
>>738515231is there any reason why it couldn't be?the children followed the pointed tail in the forest, and noelle mentions that the four of them used to go out exploring it a lot back in the daypeople are too hung up on friend being the owner of the tail, when we have no evidence for that, and that friend is a darkner for that matter
>>738490469the simplest answers really are the best ones huh
>>738508903>Is the fact that the ThornRing reducing Noelle's HP by 2/3rds leaves her with 55 HP in Snowgrave significant, given that 55 is "LV" in Roman numerals? No, that's just a coincidence.nice try tobyalmost had me there
>On Saturday, I let it cool by the windowsill
>>738499792Undertale is over ten years old, buddy. Time is merciless.
>>738496545>>738497050>fixates on the shelter instead of how the fountain appearedSo close, dinosaur girl.
>>738501278THAT theory being canon. you know the one
>>738498937You love theorybait.
>>738501278Suselle being unambiguous canon, Carol being portrayed as the evil parent that disapproves of their relationship being BTFO, and the Dark World is just focused on Asgore being an OOC dick wanting to kill Kris instead of his flowers.
>>738506241In the Chapter 1 era the Knight was either portrayed as his own character or as Gaster. The idea that it was a Lightner living in the town only surged with Chapter 2.
"The Middle" is a major thematic element in Deltarune.Noelle older sister is the Roaring Knight, but not Dess, Dess is dead.The Roaring Knight is the forgotten middle child - shortly after giving birth to Dess Carol met a strange man called Gaster and cheated on her husband with him.The combination of a human skeleton and a deer? A skeleton with flesh, a human.Kris is Carol's son, who she gave away to Toriel and Asgore out of shame
>>738520427Hold on, why can't Susie be Noelle's secret older sister?
>>738520485Incestrune....
>>738504454>we might get something really tongue-in-cheek and shitty like an out of place self aware cowboy schizo instead of a schizo that blends within his dark world.Woodyshit happening right now would genuinely be terrible and I don't get why people still cling to it. The time for it was Chapter 3, the last shadow crystal can't just be a joke. The cowboy will be the yellow flower.
>>738505039I really do think Chapter 5 will not be the "vindication" Asgore fans think will be and will instead show that he really did fuck up. Man, I really just want ANSWERS.
>>738498897you failed to predict chapters 3+4
>>738486480The game is implied to be Cat Petterz RPG which is a ripoff of Dragon Blazers also iirc it was Ramb who edited the game for Tenna
>>738505872The game you play is altered by Tenna to not have any choices and follow his story, unlike the original game. It's a parallel to how we are forced to follow Gaster's story in Deltarune versus Undertale.
>>738521628>unlike the original gamewhich has less choices than tenna's game
I LOVE DELTARUNE I JUST WANT MORE DELTARUNE
>>738501278If we still end up with more questions than answers
>>738521753Technically but it's your own story, not someone's else. You move forward because you want to.
>>738522574>but it's your own story, not someone's else[citation needed]
I LOVE to WAIT without any NEWS whatsoever
>>738522278That is guaranteed to happen. Answers will start rolling in with ch6/7
>>738522786The citation is the game bro. You can just stop playing Mantle if you want to unlike Tenna’s game.
>>738506285It's more so that this fanbase is very autistic and thus can't understand morally gray characters. Either Kris is a pure innocent bean or completely evil. A lot of people don't like the idea that Kris is willingly working with the Knight so they try to paint Kris as being a complete victim being emotionally blackmailed into compliance by Carol so they willingly ignore everything Kris did before the game began and only focuses on the actions we can definitely blame on him. This is a fandom issue that dates back all the way to Undertale and I don't see it changing.
>>738508283That's literally what that post is saying, but before 3 and 4 it wasn't fully confirmed so you had people thinking otherwise.
>>738506794He even acknowledges Gerson doesn't fit most of his patterns but he kinda ignores it. The only pattern of secret bosses is that they have a shadow crystal and are associated with freedom. I wish people focused on real patterns like the reverse Undertale theory.
>>738505110Lol I was in 7th grade. And now I've graduated college and I'm a certified teacher.
>>738512190Susie brings up Seam being a cat because she doesn't know his name. If his cat features weren't there she wouldn’t have recognized him.
Post your rare homegrown theories. Big or small, I don't care.>"intended" path of the prophecy is violent neutral since you neither care enough to want to save anyone nor are you curious enough to want to break the limits>TRUE MIKE belonged to Dess and is either gathering dust in her closet after her disappearance or got yoinked away for knowing too much like Ramb and Onion>Weird Route isn't a "secret good ending", it's showing Gaster you're his strongest soldier and giving him impressive results at the cost of others' wellbeing>Completing Undertale and fucking with fun values is the in-universe reason you're in Deltarune>>738501278I have enough faith that the only thing I'm really afraid of is getting hit with more "come back tomorrow!" bullshit. Even just 1 year again would hurt so bad.
>>738523835Asriel is the Knight
>>738522057cute sooz
My crack house theory is that everyone's giving Toby too much credit and he is not as "tricky" as everyone believes
>>738523920He is pretty tricky but I think the wait has also cooked everyone's brains. People are hallucinating patterns or entire story beats.
>>738524058we haven't learned our lesson from 3+4 and it's likely Chapter 5 will BTFO everyone againif the fucking puppet cowboy shows up even without a shadow crystal, I'll shit.
>>738515429FRIEND shows up in Ralsei’s explanation of the Dark World. It's clearly a darkner, probably based on Susie’s chair.
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>>738523920Unironically I think a lot of "Tricky Tony" people are former FNaF fans that think Scott's schizophrenic writing is just how stories work
how much longer now? my ntrrune.
>>738491529Dumb gorilla nigger or something. Go dilate in the corner.
>>738523835There's a lot of random ones that I may or may not believe.>Reverse Undertale theory is real>Chapter 5's boss is the golden flower>Kris is Chara in Frisk's role, Vessel is Frisk in Chara's role>Weird Route is the only route with a different "ending">The ending is the same but what happens afterwards is up to (you)>Mike will appear in Chapter 5 as he's an item Asgore took in the divorce>5's schizo will be even more relevant than Gerson was. It's very likely 5's Shadow Crystal is "required" to beat it and it will be how a blind player is supposed to be introduced to their existence
>>738523920Yeah, Deltarune can be very straightforward. I think Tricky Tony comes from theorists that got BTFO'D before.
genuinely the kris parts are the worst aspect of the game so far.I dont think that aspect will end well.
>>738524157The Floral Cowboy will show up in 5.
>>738525792Chapter 5 will be Undertale Yellow but done right, mark my worms
>>738490469Toriel was exclusively bait to put Undyne out of the picture for seemingly having the bunker code. We already know Kris and Carol and the Knight are all in cahoots with not having (You) gain knowledge of the codes.Also Toriel's not to be waken since it's just make her ultra mad at Asgore and Carol for dragging her precious Kris into their delusional mess.
>>738524452Noelle/Chara for max brand new partner material
>>738526260For me it's Frisk/Susie for the tomboy silly energy.
>>738523835>Kris is 2 people fighting for the controls over a body that has a functioning ID.>That or they have amnesia, God help us all if it's amnesia, toby for the love of god.>Kris (the OG one) stole the vessel so they can fuck around while not having to worry about the prophecy fucking them>The soul is Frisk who got bored or overwhelmed by their chronic hero syndrome>Dug through the true lab>Found the survey program>Consequences>The man behind the tree was krisses therapist who's can't handle their demons directly so has to hide and give vague advice.>Gaster is not a skeleton, people just assumed because all we get is a glimpse of what he looked liked right before getting deleted from existence.>On the normal Route noelle is going to fuck it all up and spill spaghetti so hard that she wants to delete the world so people forget.
Anything new to talk about?
>>738526550Somehow the one year hiatus felt longer than the 5 year one.
>>738525947I think it's more likely to be all SOUL fangames done right, I don't think the yellow flower will be special or take priority over it.>>738526550No. We're over one month without any news.
>>738475887the mexicans got Toby
>>738526720Having an actual date plus no fan content does that.
90% of theories can be easily shot down with the simple question “would this feel like a retarded asspull if it actually happened in the game?” doesn’t matter how much “evidence” it has. Now this doesn’t work all the time but I seriously doubt Toby’s going to nuke his passion project just to be subversive
>>738476524kill all homofags, don't give them cultural importance
>>738524452Ultimate Despair Noelle
>>738526720daily threads and /vg/‘s fujos prioritizing pippins porn over actual content will do that
>>738523835I think that the way Kris kills the black monster that represents Dess actually implies that he fucking hates her for some reason. And that if she is the knight then he is working with her against his own will. Either that or its just another moment of Kris being scared of (You).
>>738527134Yeah, a lot of theories forsake broader themes and narrative cohesion for what can be described as hype moments and aura. Like you said, it doesn't matter if a theory is technically possible if the result of it being correct would be Really Fucking Stupid.>well toby is a hack so it actually makes se-Why speculate if you hate his writing so much? This has always been a cope for stupid theories theories. I know Toby lived in Hussie's basement, but they actually have very different styles of writing and approaches to fiction in general.
>>738527481Kris only kills the black monster because you make it walk up to them and they have to kill it in self-defense. This suggests that Kris doesn't actually want to hurt Dess, which is supported by what we see at the end of the Knight fight.
>>738526550We had a few crack theories but even those have been milked dry. Really shot of some big controversy or god forbid Toby actually SAYS something these threads are going to be pretty dry.
>>738514720Only lightners can open fountains. Also, any Knight identity theory that comes to the conclusion that the Knight isn't an already established character is wrong on principle because of the scene where Kris does not let the player see the Knight taking off their helmet.
>>738527481That could be interpreted as Kris trying to kill (you) as you're the one controlling the knight deer.
>>738528123Except you then have to answer why we're beieng made to control this particular enemyinplace of any other. Why not do it with a red, vaguely heart-shaped enemy he attacks if that's the intended meaning?
>>738523835>The Knight is meant to be human. They have five finger hands in the prophecy section>The Cage is meant to be non-human. They have four finger hands.What this means I have zero fucking clue, its just my personal schizobabble.
I wish we and Kris could just have a 1 on 1 conversation explaining why and how we're going to do things. too much mystery between us has made us distant, we are in need of communication
>>738528280Kris was the original Knight while the cage is the Vessel.>>738528228The Knight has Kris’s soul or we will control it in someway in the future weird route.
>>738528406we control the knight at some point? geez Louise. we might control Noelle, we might control Susie, we might control the knight who is probably dess. none of his love interests are safe from the BSC. Kris stays suffering.
>>738523835>>Weird Route isn't a "secret good ending"Does anyone seriously believe that? Ralsei flat out states that any possible “alternate route” would likely be worse.
>>738528698No fucking way, Toby has balls but there's zero chance it will have a happy endingAt best it might be something like>You averted the prophecy, but at the cost of everything else.
>>738523835Not a Deltarune theory, but an Undertale one.>Chara is not the first human, but the seventh>There is literally NOTHING in the game stating they fell before the other 6, it's just collectively agreed upon fanon
>>738528698ralsei more or less says "even if we could avert the prophecy how do we know it wouldn't be something worse." I think he needs to stop being such a chump and sack up
>>738528228It's a metaphor. An outside force is controlling the Knight in order to get to Kris. Kris only attacks (reluctantly) when backed into a corner. In the game, this is a physical corner (Kris is literally standing in the corner of the room) but in the Knight fight it's metaphorical (Kris gets more powerful when Susie and Ralsei are downed).
>>738528841Chara fell before Asgore’s war declaration and Toriel’s exile in the RUINS, which is what happened when every other human fell, she is absolutely the first human and the game literally doesn't work otherwise.
>>738528698My bad on that one. I just remembered people saying shit like that back in July and threw that part in
>>738528550It could be that we control Kris’s soul in the Knight or something similar, after all it completely mimicks your movements.
>>738476205Please take the poo to the loo
>>738528698It's just a subsection of doefags that are in denial about their rape fetish. "The ends justify the means" etc. That and extreme contrarians.
>>738528698Some contrarians did.
>>738528841The game literally does work unless Chara and Asriel’s retard suicide pact was the inciting incident. I’m sorry it’s funny but it’s just too stupid
>>738528698I’ve seen some vessel fags pretend it’s going to have a happy outcome but at this point Krisellefags have inhaled enough hopium to believe that they have a shot in the normal route
mew mew sex
For some reason playing E33 reminded me a lot of deltarune. >DECIDE THE FATE OF THE DARK WORLD>Play as Susie>Play as Kris
what do you think the purpose of raise up your bat's lyrics were for? did dess right them because she knew what was going to happen to her or was she trying to give hope to whoever's trying to save her?
>>738529728Did Dess actually write the song? I know she liked it and it's implied it was kind of her "signature" song. Regardless, I think it's just vague foreshadowing right now. Its significance will become important and it'll hit you like one of those "oh FUCK" moments. Kind of like "Don't Forget" but cranked up to a million. But it is very interesting how these are the only lyrics Ralsei doesn't change.
>>738529939>become importantbecome apparent*
>>738529728It's foreshadowing lyrics but I don't think Dess knew of her fate. They're just vaguely describing her story.
>>738529639This but human cosplay sex.
I can't remember, why doesn't susie just tell someone that undyne was kidnapped and taken to the bunker?
>>738529017Neither of those things require Chara to fall first>>738529338I assume by "inciting incident" you mean the war declaration. But just like I said above, that does not require Chara to have been the first. Six humans could have already fallen and died before Asgore made the declaration and order the guards to hunt down any new fallen humans.
>>738529728>>738529939It's credited to "Blood Crushers - The Band" on Noelle's websiteBut it obviously doesn't have to have been literally written by Dess for it to be significant to her and heavily foreshadowing her role in the story>>738530990She doesn't want to endanger anyone else>* This... weird panel. If we could just... get someone to tell us how it works...>* But... we can't, right?>* We can't tell anyone about this, right Because...>* ... Because you saw that smoke, right, Kris?>* There's... gotta be a dark world in there.>* ... if anybody else went in there, they'd...>* ...
>>738530990That's what you do during the church segment, but everyone just stonewalls you. I don't know to what degree the average person is "in on it" but they get really cagey when the shelter is brought up.
>>738531035Oh, I get what you mean now. You're saying other humans fell down before Chara and just died off. The main arguments against it is the fact Asgore doesn't have any extra souls and I think a book says Chara's fall is what motivated the monsters to move out of old home to new home. It's possible some humans fell but they would've to immediately die and have their souls disappear for it to work.
>>738530990Susie doesn't want anyone to know about the Dark Worlds.>>738531253You don't tell them Undyne is kidnapped, just how to get into it.
>>738531386No. There have only ever been 7 humans Underground. The six fallen humans that all died upon landing and who's souls were collected, and Chara, who managed to survive the fall and was adopted by the Dreemurs. No more, no less.>I think a book says Chara's fall is what motivated the monsters to move out of old home to new homeI'd really like to see that if it's true, because the timeline doesn't really make sense considering at least Waterfall should have already been explored by then due to the echo flowers recording Chara and Asriel
>>738531642The old home house has only three chairs in the table and one bed for Asriel implying Chara did not live there unlike new home plus pic related, suggesting Chara was the reason monsters moved out of old home.Anyways I completely disagree with your take, the anniversary stream Froggit very explicitly states the other humans lived with Toriel in the RUINS and Asgore has a lost soul act where he remembers the other fallen humans. They couldn't have died before Chara.
>>738531465>You don't tell them Undyne is kidnapped, just how to get into it.Oh, that's right. I just looked at a gameplay video. Interestingly enough, the one person you can explicitly talk to about Undyne is Alphys, who's relatively new in town and doesn't actually know much about the shelter other than getting bad vibes from it.
>>738531214why do I need to do homework to get lore? bloodcrushers better be dess's band name of she's a poser and I'm gonna torment Kris even more
>>738528698There are people who conflate the idea that the weird route is something a decent percentage of players will try solely out of desire to change the ending with the weird route being a secret good ending. But I don't think I've seen many people argue it's going to be sunshine and rainbows, just that it's going to have some leg up over the standard ending, enough to make it feel like a monkey paw "look, you changed SOMETHING" rather than pure misery.
I AM LOSIJF MY FUCKING MIND WITH THIS WAIT. PLEASE FINSIH THE DUCMING GAME BEFORE I TURN 30 TOBY. I DID EVERYTHING
>>738531035The game heavily implies that the underground didn’t have any humans much less SOULS prior to Chara. Otherwise why wouldn’t Chara have just gotten Asriel to use the other souls instead or at got him to yoink them along with her own. And that’s not bringing why the hell would Chara be so hyped up to the point of being pseudo “adopted” by the dreemurrs and being called the underground’s savior if there we’re already several humans living in the underground?
>>738529939Dess could've written it but it's unclear.
>>738528698Yeah something that bothers me about that phrasing. "How do we know it wouldn't be even worse". He knows the full prophecy he knows how things are fated to end so why is he asking how do we know. The prophecy can be averted and twisted. Through multiple means I would believe. I get the feeling there's going to be three endings at least. Weird route is one of them but. There's also got to be an actual good ending like how undertale had the pacifist ending.
what’s her problem?
>>738533480He knows the full text of the prophecy but only sees the normal way through it. He doesn't know what the alternative way to read all the text is that leads to the weird route. It's that simple.
>>738523920When the fuck did everyone start calling him "Tricky Tony" anyway, I swear I never heard that before Ch 3 and 4 came out and then suddenly it's his iconic nickname
>>738533701femcel raging that she failed being a normie
>>738529939>>738529728She didn't write the song, it's like their equivalent of an MCR or Linkin Park song she's a fan of.
>>738533816Tricky Tony became his moniker after every theory got blown out into the sun, yeah. I'm personally glad that Firegrave was put to rest, and that secret bosses aren't so formulaic and predictable. Let's be real, there was no topping Spamton.
>>738529939>>738534048It’s not impossible that she didn’t write it but considering how she’s talked about as a musical prodigy and the whole guitar thing it’d be pretty weird if it was just A random song that dess just liked and had no greater meaning
>>738533701Asriel abandoned her so she went to molest Kris.
>>738533816I think Xitter and Reddit fans made that up after most theories got fucked up.
>>738533816First mention I can find on the /v/ archive that isn't someone mentioning Tony Hawk immediately after SSX tricky is May. So it seems to have start a bit before chapter 3 and 4 came out.The nickname is used ironically more than it is literally, so I'd say it probably emerged as a way to mock the people who were so far into their fandom headcanon that they were "theorizing" most of the information we actually got to have been a lie or misdirect.
>>738520252Y'know I barely see Susie or Krusie art anymore but damn, I'm glad at least everyone still fucking hates Suselle.
>>738535038It could have been alright if Toby bothered to develop it beyond some half-assed played-out tropes, but no.
>>738535038There's still a lot of Susie and Krusie art made, though. It's just not reposted here.
>>738535038>I barely see KRUSIE art anymore What rock are you living under those guys have been more emboldened than ever even if they’re now legally required to constantly call it “yuri”
>>738533816It's taking the piss at the idea that Toby is a super-subversive plot-twist freak and every single clue is actually fake
>>738535452But how else could Kris secretly be Chara Genocides?
>>738535038there's plenty of krusie art. but yeah suselle is garbage from a story telling standpoint because it's all just tropes nonsense and makes the pair into dolls being forced to kiss each other. either way with the day toby's written Susie I think she doesn't care about romance at all and just wants friends.
>>738535038Well yeah, it's still boring as shit. Hell, if anything it's even more boring now that they've actually interacted enough to prove they have no chemistry together. Noelle just likes Susie as a replacement for Dess and Susie is just happy that there's someone else who doesn't hate her. That's all there is to their "relationship". You don't even have the "nice girl x mean girl" dynamic because Susie's meanness dissolved into gaseous vapors over the course of chapter 1 before they had any interactions together.
>>738535760Kris is Chara PACIFISTS, Toby had to make an entire stream to clean the name of his baby.
>>738536108>Susie's meanness dissolved into gaseous vaporsI feel like part of the point of chapter 1 is that she isn't, like, an inherently mean person. She was acting mean because she was already the scary outsider and it gave her some sense of control over that impression. Which makes the way Noelle is clearly into her being "mean" even more ironic.
>>738531642>There have only ever been 7 humans UndergroundToriel having a box of kids' shoes "in a disparity of sizes" implies that other humans fell and died in the RuinsEven strictly going by the explicit text of the game, Frisk is at least the 8th human to fall into the Underground. Asgore collected six other human SOULs but not Chara's red SOUL, that's at least seven humans before Frisk.>The six fallen humans that all died upon landing and who's souls were collectedAt least some of the other humans made it to Asgore and were personally slain by him.You could even interpret the "You tell Asgore he's killed you 10+ times before" lines as saying he's killed at least 10 human children before Frisk.
>Kris held his breath>Kris smiledwhat's his problem?
>>738536983Chapter 1 Susie feels way too different from the character she came to be, even out of her shell. She's written like a grumpy loner who acted scary to avoid people like the fucked up kid who barely comes to school, but Chapter 1 expresses too vividly she's meant to be a bully, and bullies go out of their way to interact with people they want to suffer.
>>738523835I still want DELTARUNE to boot me into a weird alternate version of UNDERTALE for a bit or do some lock-on thing or ideally force me to clear full UNDERTALE Hard Mode to get all the crumbs. I know Toby won't do it because it would require players to own two games but still that'd be very cool.
>how can i insert my fetish into this thread too...
>>738521628>altered by Tenna to not have any choices and follow his storyBoth boards give you a lot of leeway in how to reach the end. There are extra keys and photos, you can do shit in any order, and can aim for higher scores, or go for the Z rank and do shit like drinking the fountain. MANTLE give you a single way to progress and a single reward, the only extra stuff are inconsequential extra scenes.
>>738536983>Noelle is clearly into her being "mean"Noelle's whole deal with Susie in Chapter 1 is believing that she's not really a mean bully and is actually secretly nice and misunderstood, which was completely correct.She's very pleased if you affirm that Susie is nice, and visibly disappointed if you tell her she's "terrible" and "smashed you against the lockers."Susie was specifically never mean to Noelle because Noelle was the only one that showed her kindness when she transferred into the class, that's the root of Noelle's crush, this is discussed in Chapter 2. I don't know why I have to keep reminding people of this 5 years later.She idly fantasizes about being bullied by Susie in a harmless way in Chapter 1 and 2, but that's seeking attention from your crush, she doesn't actually want to be hurt and abused.>>738537327>Chapter 1 expresses too vividly she's meant to be a bully, and bullies go out of their way to interact with people they want to suffer.The only person Susie goes out of her way to target is Kris, because she's intensely envious of Kris's perceived good home life and acceptance among their classmates. This is already explicit in Chapter 1 ("You've got a good mother") and Chapter 1 also makes it clear that she likes Kris and would like to be closer to them if it weren't for her own hang-ups and bully persona, the whole climax of the Chapter is her overcoming that and accepting Kris as her friend.
>>how can i insert my penis into this doe too...
do you want to be a backshot?
>>738538046>She idly fantasizes about being bullied by Susie in a harmless way in Chapter 1 and 2She got wet when watching Susie bully Kris in the spamton sweepstakes. She clearly has some issues.
>>738537982Yeah, but the story is still the one written by Tenna and you can't deviate from his story while in Mantle you're the one carving your own path.
>>738491865Dess and her master plan is more important than your feelings
>>738538076Be assertive
>>738538232Perfect position for doggy style
>>738538046>She's very pleased if you affirm that Susie is nice, and visibly disappointed if you tell her she's "terrible" and "smashed you against the lockers."Didn't being told about her smashing you into the lockers make her immediately start fantasizing about Susie doing that to her? It wasn't disappointment in the slightest, what are you talking about?
>>738537034I always interpreted the box of shoes as some of the humans having lived there for a long time, and the "killed Asgore too many times to count" was what the other humans told to him because they could save and load and thus Asgore wasn't surprised by it.
>>738538149>Mantle you're the one carving your own pathDefine "carving your own path". There's only one ending and only one way to get it.
>>738538381You move forward through the game out of our own volition as you can quit anytime.
>>738538439I didn't know you were carving your own path through Spec Ops The Line.
>>738523648>I wish people focused on real patterns like the reverse Undertale theory.It has stood the test of time so far, but I'd be wary of clinging to it.Card Castle is more of a "bite sized UT retelling" than a New Home parallel, Queen takes more from Toriel than Mettaton. Chapters 3 and 4 do fit alright, but it would be very awkward by this point in the story if Chapter 5 is just a pleasant adventure with no stakes like Snowdin.
>>738538551I mean, the Toby that made the Hallow Hack would agree...
>>738523835Asgore also has a red flower that isn't shown in his shop, and it's a rose, who is also very important to weird route shenanigans in some way.
>>738538642The Toby that made the Halloween Hack would also say Tenna's version of the game has the same amount of choice if not more.
>>738538618It's more believable than a lot of other patternfagging simple because it fits Toby's vibes. Both games are interconnected and Deltarune is literally an anagram of Undertale so it makes sense their stories would be parallels of each other. I'm extremely certain 5 will mirror Snowdin but that doesn’t mean there will be no stakes.
>>738538835Maybe but the current Toby had Ramb say otherwise.
>>738514097exactly anon, you pick up on something that ive seen many other anons seem to miss on. a common misconception i see anons make is the idea that DELTARUNE will just be an allegory for “escapism = bad” and that this narrative will result from an ending where the “dark/fake” world will permanently and correctly be split from the “light/real” world a la dualism. but so many little things point to the light world as not being so simple as it seems. these conscious design choices are way too many to simply be swept under the rug. it is heavily alluded to, that these two seperate “states” of light and dark worlds are not at all seperate. from the perspective of the characters, they are. but a main theme in this story is differentiating the real from the fake. abstracting the the perspective out a level, from (You)r perspective, the entire world is simply a game, and the characters are props to be used as fit for your entertainment, because they are not real. perspective is what determines the real from the fake, so if (You) were to determine it so, the characters could be real even if you know they are fake. here, there is no difference between light and dark world, as to (You) both types of characters are the same. this relationship between (You) and the characters is a direct parrallel between the lightners and darkners, for one. more importantly, this level of abstraction is EXACTLY the same addressed directly in MANTLE. the SWORDHERO is an abstraction of kris, much like “kris” is an abstraction of (You) (lmao) and “levelling up” is okay, because the abstractions kris kills are not real, much like how darkners are not real to the lightners, and like how the characters of DELTARUNE are not real to (You). the world of MANTLE itself only exists for the sake of kris, like how the dark worlds only exist for the sake of lightners, like how DELTARUNE only exists for the sake of (You). (1/2)
>>738538742my FUARKING hero
>>738514097(2/2) but then, the beings kris kills and the world he is abstracting to become real. kris begins to recoil from his actions, because he begins to associate the fake game with his reality. killing abstractions of susie and ralsei. “YOU WERE USED UP”. ERAM, a being within the game, directly alludes to the kris of the light world, a world 2 levels of abstraction up. orange trees, cut down. finding your way out of bounds to find the ICE KEY. in the ERAM fight, kris is directly damaged, showing the boundaries between worlds were broken. and finally, so on the nose its laughable anons dont see the narrative intent, SWORDHERO not only comes to the same world as kris himself, showing there were never any lines between MANTLE and the dark world to begin with AT ALL, but it shows that that the abstraction from kris to distance himself from the SWORDHERO was entirely a misconception, and that they were entirely seperate beings with no difference regarding level of existence between them. within the narrative itself, as shown through MANTLEs sequence beginning to end, the boundaries between worlds, mental and physical, are broken. thus, it stands to reason the same misconception could be held regarding the light and dark worlds, and that its very likely that MANTLE is just allegory for the relationship between light and dark worlds like it is for the weird route. why then, should anons view the light world as analogous to the real world? i believe this misconception will be the big idea that the dog will flip on its head. we already see him testing it with the “Me” scene in chapter 4, that these boundaries between worlds exist to be broken.
>>738537218simple (you) are the one that everyone likes. (you) made friends with everyone. (you) did all the fighting and sparing. Carol, Kris's technical aunt, is more focused on (you) than them. (you) are the only reason they even have a chance if finding dess. (you) are the important ones and no one aside from Ralsei even knows your name. if I were Kris I'd be angry that a floating heart is more important than me too
>>738538936And the current Toby knows that people are so dumb they think they have choice if they're told they do. Like you.
>>738539183>Susie ends up killing Mini-Kris by plugging the controller Yep, Susie is a dirty murderer.
>>738537218smug about (You) wasting a turn. devious little shit.>>738537327Kris is kind of a special exception, everyone else seems to either avoid her just fine or look down on her
>>738514097>>738539183It could be that Deltarune's world as a whole is artificial, but this could also be a case of "thinking too hard about it".
>>738539372I trust my nigga Ramb more than the average /v/irgin
>>738539456You trust Ramb more than your own eyes and ears.You know you didn't make any choices in Mantle that you couldn't have also made in Tenna's game. Objectively. Ramb saying otherwise has no meaning.
>>738539108The light world is as (((fake))) as the dark world, just a higher level of simulation. The fact Gaster has goners casually walking around fucking with the player suggests this.
You know what? Despite all the things we still have to argue about I'm really glad chapter 3 completely blew the fuck out of the guy from the 2 to 3 4 wait who 100% believed and argued that adults literally can't enter dark worlds.Thank you jobber Undyne.
what's gonna be the next time wasting gimmick that takes over half of chapter 5's gameplay?
>>738539568Next? We didn't have any timewasting gimmicks in previous chapters.
>>738528280The hand in the first hero is Assgore's hand. https://www.fangamer.com/collections/undertale/products/undertale-mercy
>>738539568the one where you bitch and moan in 4chan threads oh wait you're already doing that
>>738539568Festival dating sim mini game that always ends with Susie and Noelle ditching Kris no matter what you do in the normal route.
>>738539568Fetch quests
>>738537218You wasted a turn and he's laughing at your stupidity.
>>738539714Not what you said but I'll be so happy if we get a Papyrus style Berdly date, specially if I can make Kris suffer.>>738539936God I hope so much. 3's egg quest and 4's axe quest were the best parts of their chapters.
>>738539530Like I said with Mantle I can stop and do anything else while in Tenna’s game I'm forced to follow his story. Even if there’s only one path I'm the one following it, not someone else forcing me to.
>>738539568Vine swinging or a very gimmicky puzzle.
>>738540165yeah but I still beat the roaring fraud so who's the stupid one now?
>>738538232>Can we facefuckYES
>>738540452>yeah but I still beat the roaring fra- SWOON
>>738540606>was winning until Kris sold the fight/ cutscene victory >Got the shadow crystal>Got black shard>Knight knows the only reason (you) haven't torn them in half is because of Kris>high odds the vessel is on its way back to us
>>738488361Suddenly the themes of Kris wanting to be a dog and Noelle actively treating Kris like a dog make too much sense.
>>738540795>keyword "was"the rest of this is just cope
>>738540452We beat her despite Kris. We need to be rewarded with good wives, not a moody brat.
>>738540251With Tenna's game you can stop and actually do different things to accomplish the goal.With Mantle there is only continuing or stopping.You are being fooled into believing there is "freedom" present where there's just a change in framing.
>>738541282You reach the "goal" by following the objects Tenna set out for you, not because of your own choices.
>>738541552And you think the objective of Mantle is something you impose on the game rather than being just as scripted...? Are you stupid or something? A character not delivering you the objective in text doesn't change the fact that there is an external objective to achieve that you have no control over.
>>738507161busy claudeposting
>>738514672savior of the waking world is better, to be quite perfectly honest
>>738542152Kris's tits here are massive, sauce?
>>738475887I didn't because this scene makes no fucking sense right now and really fucks with things on a meta level. Like, Kris doesn't (us) to go into the bunker so how the fuck does he know that (we) can't move him during cutscenes? Whats up with the chapter ending cutting off what happens after? Does he know that we wouldn't be able to see it? does he even know what a cutscene is? It doesn't make any sense.
>>738542152only two possible outcomes here1) the royal family secures heirs or 2) ralsei knocks himself out
WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS ROOM
>>738542702>this scene makes no fucking sense right now and really fucks with things on a meta levelThis is exactly what makes it kino.
Discussing Ramb fully right now is pretty much impossible since we don't know if he knew the game was fucked up or not.
>>738541846It seems we just have very different visions on what makes you make your own choices or not in games. Let's agree to disagree as we aren't getting anywhere.
>>738542940I like the theory he's ERAM but its bit of a far fetched thing.
>>738542702The SOUL is own character we aren't connected to at all times idk you actually brought up some good points how does Kris know we aren't going to control him inside the shelter?
>>738543057It doesn't make sense because he disappears as soon as you start mantle 3.
why would ramb steal the mantle from seam just to fuck with kris
>>738543057ERAM is pixel Seam or FRIEND.
>>738542940Ir Ramb knows so much about freedom, then he also should know about becoming STRONGER
>>738543283makes me wonder why gerson doesn't care if we raped the doe
It HAS to be mid 2026RightIt WON'T be late 2026Right
>>738543487Q3 or Q4 gaijin.
>>738543487DECEMBER 12TH RELEASE DATEget FUCKED!
>>738543014My view is that anything being "your own choice" is an illusion that a game has to go out of its way to provide you and I'm tired of games worrying about that.
>>738543487It will be the latter half of 2026, so July at the absolute earliest. This has already been confirmed.
>>738543487July through September seems about right. Any longer than that would mean something has gone horribly wrong during testing.
>>738543487it'll drop during the summer/early autumn, fags in here are just being dramatic as always.
>>738542823It's to teach you that you can destroy the trees at MAX LV
>>738542823>someone you have to go well out of your way to kill>already as strong as you can get at that point>gives 0 benefit for doing so>also PROBABLY isn't berdly This room will mean nothing until chapter 7 when the weird route goes off the rails and someone posts this image to one of the first 5 threads about it and gets 300 (You)'s because of the foreshadowing.
>>7385435961225 FUCK
>>738543487Late May actually
>>738542940>* Kris! How were the games? Just to your liking?>* ... What? ... someone backstage with you?>* No, Kris. I was back here on security the whole time.The game is sabotaged from the moment you plug in the Odd Controller. Ramb has Kris's best interests at heart and wouldn't set them up to have a good time playing Kris's Trauma Simulator, unless you believe everything about his character is a lie
whos the best deltarune character and why is it berdly ?
>>738543829>fags in here are just being dramatic as alwaysYeah there's a difference between tempering your expectations and just always assuming the worst no matter what. Shit gets old so fast.
>>738544037lmao no
>>738543487Just got to wait for that Nintendo Direct announcement.
>>738544087it's a shame that anti-avian racism has affected his body image
>>738544037Holy hopium. You need to learn to get comfy and WAIT.
>>738543487MUFFET SEXNow that I have your attention:He wouldn't have slapped that 2026 date on the credits if he expected the development to stretch late into the year, so it's definitely not coming out in november or december.Toby also said it was very unlikely it was going to release on the first half of the year, so don't expect to play it before July.Given his track record, August or September is the most likely release window for Chapter 5, July is the most optimistic and October is the most pessimist.
>>738544223There will not be a nintendo direct announcement for Chapter 5, it's a free update, it's not an actual paid release unlike what chapter 3 and 4 were.
>>738543689I mean, I guess that's a view but actual Deltarune has a duality between games with no choices and games with freedom of choice.
>>738544660We had direct trailers for both 1 and 2 and those were a free demo for a game that took 7 years to get a paid release.
Threads almost dead so.If the four playable deltarunes were subjected to ruthless edging and orgasm denial play in a dark world who would endure the longest and who'd break instantly and beg to cum.
>>738545082Ralsei. Susie.
>>738543847damn that actually makes sense, just like how the cactus is just for gameover so you can cancel the route
>>738544573based spiderfuckerI don't think late June would be too unrealistic but I agree it shouldn't be expected, any time in Summer (June-August) should be a good window based on what we've been toldIf it slips past that it would be pretty disappointing, there's really not a good reason for the post-development process (translation/porting/bugfixing) to take more than six months for a single Chapter, and the WAIT for 6 and 7 would look that much more bleak
>>738545082Longest Kris, shortest Ralsei.
>>738545082>who would endure the longest and who'd break instantlyKris > Susie > Ralsei > Noelle
>>738545435I don't wanna even know what the supposed next GameMaker update will be about. Hopefully the dog learned his lesson and they're already working on that by now.
>>738544810Deltarune also goes to great lengths showing how arbitrary the bar is for a "choice" in a video game. What you prefer about Mantle has nothing to do with choice or freedom, you simply don't like the presentation of having a goal come from a character.The fact that Ramb and Kris seem to agree that the solitary goal coming from nowhere rather than from a character matters is significant to the perspective Deltarune wants to present on the concept. The fact that Kris winds up upset by the real game regardless, in the end, is also significant.
I NEED that spidussy
>>738545841>subtle, hairless, small, tight slit uncensoredMODS!!!!!
PAGE 10 DO'S SEX
>>738544810>>738545746I'd make a text about this but the thread will soon fall
>>738543386He does have an exclusive dialogue in wr if you choose nowhere when he is asking Kris
>>738545958She has DIX on her head
>>738545841waow
>>738545958>no monsters4humans in my areabros...
>>738546269>beauty mark near the doessyhnf...
Amazing how so many threads get deleted but these are always untouched. Kill yourself, freaks.
>>738545841Based spider bro>>738545958Based doebroGonna post human sexo as well
