Why did it fail to be as impactful as the first game?
>>738476471The target demographic was NEET trannies. The devs didnt realize they dont have a very long lifespan
It won Steam GOTYWhich was the only one that matters honestly, so I don't get your point unless you're still a malding difficultyfag
>>738476471Forced hardslop
>>738476471Hollow knight was a relatively niche game until it wasn't. It got really popular after getting the DLCs and consol versions release.
>>738476471a) burnout from long waitb) hollow knight was dark souls in 2d and it was sorta exciting, silksong is elden ring in 2d and that's uninspired (don't take comparison literally, just think about it)
>>738476471Because the first game was not impactful either tranny
>>738476471It's still making people seethe so I'd say it was pretty impactful
>>738476471It was like a filler story with barely any attachment to the first game. Solid gameplay though.
>>738476471Humiliation ritual for the fans
>>738477016>not impactfulThen what about all those hollowlikes it """inspired"""?
>>738476471>Why did it fail to be as impactful as the first game?Why do you keep making this thread and samefagging just to create drama thirdie?
>>738477198HK only exists because its ripping off shovel knight, which released years prior
>>738477325And shovel knight exists only thanks to mega man and ducktales. Capcom should sue those hacks.
Feminist and boring
>>738476471because act 3 was a letdownevery previous reply is incorrect
I did not care for how the devs designed the unlock conditions for Silk and Soul.It feels too hidden, almost like an optional secret instead of the gateway to a major component of the overall experience that it actually is.
>>738477516And kojima invented camera so he should sue them for stealing his ideas
>>738477325Because it’s a platformer with knight in the title?
>>738476471combat was the shittiest part of the first game and they focused even more on that
For some reason I keep seeing so much hate for this game in Metroid threads. They keep saying that the game is shit because, and I quote, "Hornet isn't sexy enough." Like wtf does that have to do with the game?It's why I don't like Metroid that much anymore. I've moved onto better 'vanias.
>>738476471Same reason pretty much every fromsoft game has, despite performing well, been less impactful overall. Faggots like >>738476843 are the most vocal part of the community, and actively dissuade anyone with a passing interest in getting involved.
>>738478545Yes, they decided to improve it.
It sold like 4x as much as the original, and the thing is that the original generated an osmosis community effect not unlike Persona and FFXIV where people who don't play the game want to be part of the discussion and hype so they can feel "in". When Silksong released though most of these people hadn't played the original since 2018/2019 or just never played it at all. So silksong is one of the few sequels that did a proper job of filtering secondaries rather than embracing them.
>>738478664i just think damage on contact in this day and age is outdated and feels bad (unless it's a pure platformer)
>>738478865I'm fine with it if it's an enemy where it makes sense. But as an all or nothing default it's pretty fucking dated.
>>738477516Anime only exists because of Scrooge McduckShovel Knight only exists because of Scrooge McduckComics only became big outside of america because of Scrooge McduckClearly we musy divert all the entertainment industry revenue back to Disney
>>738478626>reddit spacing>reddit image >custom filename>not replying to a specific post>"gamer" bad>unironically saying vaniaHey. You will never be a woman.
I loved it. But I still hate the halls gauntlet.
>>738478853/v/ continues to shit itself daily over how good Silksong did. They can't fathom that an indie was legitimately good and didn't need funding from some gay AAA company.Hell, the famitsu threads are full of people absolutely LIVID at Silksong outselling Metroid Prime 4 and Dread. But that's console warriors for you.
>>738476471Because trannys latched onto it and ran the "shes literally me" into the groundAlso it didnt strike while the iron was hot. It had an insanely long development cycle for a game that looks like this.
>>738479012For me it was the new tool system. Was really not a fan of limiting based on type instead of the first game's cost system.
>>738476471the problem is that it was too overhyped
>>738479084The gay company funding it is the gay company that took forever making it.
>>738479194it looks insanely good and was made by few people with a lax schedule. The development is entirely justified.
>>738479239Devs: it will be ready when its ready/v/ every direct. E3, xbox event, sony event, PC event, anything: OMG SILKSONG THIS TIME IM RUMORING SILKSONG NEWS FOR REAL THIS TIME
>>738479248And they made a masterpiece. For 20 bucks. Sorry if that breaks the minds of AAA shills.
>>738479370Maybe don't announce a game until you're sure it'll be ready to release within the next six months?
>>738476471I have 168 hours in the game and completed it 100% twice without dying (one of those times without quitting the game outside a bench even once) and I can safely say it was just too hard for the hordes of fomo normalfags that jumped on the hype train never having finished HK and its hardest challenges. For me Silksong is better than the original in almost every way and is one of the most mechanically satisfying games I've ever played, the combat and movement are simply sublime and don't allow the same mindless facetanking HK1 did, raising the skill floor and ceiling. That said the story is pretty whatever, back when HK1 released games with mysterious lore were well received but now, years later, it's not as impactful and Silksong is often straightforward in that regard anyway, having a talking protagonist and all. The sheer scale of Hollow Knight's world was also amazing for its time and the size of its dev team.
The fanbase grew up and realized that HK was never good.
>>738479495And yet it was okay for Nintendo to announce Prime 4 back in 2017? Bloody hypocrite.
>>738476471Defenders say because it was too hard but that never stopped games like Ninja Gaiden or Souls from entering the zeitgeist. I honestly just found it too drawn out, drab and ultimately boring. HK felt tighter, more rewarding to explore, and more interesting to play. SS went out of its way to make me feel like 80% of the game was designed to waste my time. I beat Act 2 and just couldn't bring myself to play it anymore. I kept expecting it to get better and it never did. Just my two pennies. >ProsHornet is very fun to controlSome of the boss fights are coolThat's all I can think of... everything else was just a big blur of boredom and tedium.
>>738479623Where did I say that? Feel free to point it out for me, I'll wait.
>>738479690You suspiciously claimed that only the hollow knight devs would announce a game years before it came out. How curious.
>>738479768Where did I say that? Feel free to point that one out for me as well once you find the post where I defended Nintendo. I will keep waiting.
>>738479682>ProsOh, and I should add: 20 bucks. They could have gotten away with charging more and didn't. It was clearly made with skill and passion. I just didn't find the overall product worth the squeeze. But Team Cherry still deserve praise for being good devs.
>>738479846If you didn't say that, then why get so defensive?
>>738479623The game that flopped? Pretty telling that a shit game is the only thing you can compare shitsong to....
story was ass didn't even want to start act3 fuck that gay kingdom and gay lace dont want to help them
>>738479915>then why get so defensive?For a third time, I'll be asking you to point out where I did that, when simply stating that devs shouldn't announce games years before release. Always waiting, anon.
>>738479932>Silksong>flopped>>738480007I'm not doing your homework anon. You can read the thread.
>>738479623>>738479768>>738479915>>738480064Wow, what a fucking schizo. Massive amounts of projection and seething about things no one said. Crazy.
>>738480116Just calling out hypocrisy. That's all.
>>738476471First game had a progressive difficulty. Second one starts at end of one skill and filtered new players, and makes a lot of sense.
Every other enemy has 2 damage attacks, this comes across as sloppy and poorly thought out.
>>738480220You made up an argument in your head to get upset over.
>>738480352I never saw a single soul ITT call out Nintendo for announcing Prime 4 nearly a decade before it actually released, and they're a huge company with billions of dollars and thousands of people working there. But heaven forbid 3 guys announce a game a little earlier than expected.
>>738480513Okay, so now you're the one being hypocritical. Silksong was announced almost seven years before it released. Prime was eight. If you wanna bitch about one, bitch about both like I was doing instead of being blatantly biased.
>>738478865>outdatedAhh if those nasty designers simply knew about this relatively new arcade title which didn't have damage on contact, instead of "Nes hard" castlevania.
>UHM THIS WIDELY-ACCLAIMED 10/10 IS ACKSHUALLY NOT GOODget new material
>>738480318Hornet has so much more mobility than HK and many more powerful offensive and defensive options that the game would be a breeze if this wasn't the case.
>>738476471the first one is the most overrated game ever
>>738480725Why would they when you bite all the same?
>>738477325>HK only exists because its ripping off shovel knightHave you played any of those games??
>>738480703The difference is that Silksong was delayed for a reason. The devs didn't want to just put out some lame DLc, they wanted a whole game, AND they honored the backer agreements by making sure their backers got exclusive rights to play the game early, long before the game journalists even got to play. Prime 4 was delayed because Nintendo are incompetent and kept switching studios and throwing out the game over and over.
>>738476471It was the easiest goty for me, what are you talking about
>>738480513>I never saw a single soul ITT talk about nintendo in this hollow knight threadThe tranny IQ is... horrifying....
>>738476471Felt like it had to step up to the pro-MLG goymers on YouTube and made 60% of the enemies annoying flying projectile spammers that can also fly away as you get close and often not drop money in a game where money is used to make progress.That plus the retarded bosses, dead ends and just a big repeat of the first game made it only good for Hornet porn.
>>738476471It filtered millions
>>738480738Then you just simply reduce max HP while standardizing enemy damage values? Or not design the game around self healing 3 HP at once?At least include a visual cue when an enemy attack has the property of double damage.
>738480781>heh, you replied so I win
>>738481023I really liked the actual bosses that everyone was complaining about even if they slapped me in the dick a dozen or two times, but god damn those mob swarm bosses just siphoned away my will to keep playing. I eventually got to a point where the only ways I could think to go were both blocked by a big annoying mob gauntlet and I just couldn't be fucked to grind out fights that were negative fun.
>>738480725NO metroidvania has ever been more that a 6/10. They are all inherently kinda shit.
>>738479012I liked it, honestly I think it needed to be even more erratic, with a room a lot larger than the screen, and no separate waves, just an endless onslaught of enemies pouring out of every corner. But to compensate, basically every allied NPC would come to your aid>Shakra>Garmond and Zaza>Second Sentinel>Green Prince>A couple fleas (just for stunning enemies or tossing your extra Brew charges>Sherma just vibing and tossing you extra silkA pure chaos that can only be endured until the background song stops after a few minutes, at which point the enemies stop spawning and you can finally pass
>>738477325Hollow Knight was based on a flash game called Hungry Knight which released 1 year before Shovel Knightbasically you're retarded and wrong, which is why nobody listens to you
its too hard
>>738481792That's what Horny said!
>>738481105It's retarded for most bosses to do the same damage as common mobs, even in the Pantheon of Hallownest they did 2 masks at the end and visual indicators would be intrusive. Just don't be at 1HP if you're not sure.
>>738476471Filtered the noobs, that's all.
>>738476471This game exposed that the vast majority of gamers are ultra casual faggots that cannot even fathom the idea of experimenting with their playstyle, and I'm not sure how to feel about that. Sad I guess. Maybe that's why mainstream gaming is so lame now.Anyway, human Hornet jumpscare.
I just finished hollow knight and did soul steel + P5 and honestly I felt like the difficulty of both was overhyped.How much harder is Silksong?
>>738481790>shallow knight is literally adobe slop Kekaroo
>>738483957of course you’d be too much of a plebeian to realize how based that is, retardbet you grew up playing MOBILESLOP
>>738478626It's simply not funIt's hard for all the wrong reasons and uninteresting by everything else
>>738484916Just seems like a skill issue to me, dude.
>>738479248>that took forever making it.It's 3 dudes + contractors + it's THEIR game so tehy got to take as long as they fucking wanted.The only people that get to complain are the kickstarter backers and even then you should always go into kickstarter shit knowing your money might vanish
>>738483175>Experimenting with Silksong playstyle just boils down to throwing money at the problem until it goes awayWoooow lad, very progressive, how about you go on another fetchqueat before posting?
>>738485259>Anon goes "maybe because it's shit">Another anon immediately goes "Well maybe i like eatign shit"Everytime...
>0 days since /v/ bitched about HK and SS
It's way better than the first one, in my opinion.Silksong is one of those rare 9/10 games.People complaining about the difficulty need to learn how to play video games, because this shit isn't significantly harder than fucking Mega Man (when you don't know the order of the nbosses), which is a game kids used to beat back in the day.
>>738484916Wdym it’s not hard at all. It’s easier than most Fromsoft games and these are for babies
The only downside is how fucking long it took to make. It doesn't matter though since the first one sold like 50 million copies with a 3 man team so they could wipe their asses with $100 bills for generations and be fine. It's a good game, it's a fair escalation of the challenge, stay mad
>>738476471awesome game with mid final act
Was a pretty boring experienceHeard it was a tough game so gave it a tryBeat it without dying once
>Have to start at a bench when you die instead of checkpointsIs Team Cherry fucking STUPID?
>>738476471it took too long
This game's difficulty curve is a rollercoaster ride. Spiking up at random intervals then occasionally plummeting back down when you get certain upgrades, then spiking back up again for bullshit boss encounters and the like. Act 3 was the final straw for me. Whoever decided that what the game needed was filling the map with randomly spawning damage sponge enemies with random void AOE attacks on top of their regular moveset that do two masks of damage and drain your silk should have their right to design vidya revoked. I had to drop it there, though honestly I can't say I was enjoying myself much even before that, I was forcing myself to keep grinding away at some of the bosses almost out of spite at points, and it was constantly pissing me off with how much of the game is hidden away behind breakable walls that are easy to miss unless you're whacking every surface with your needle. The sponginess of enemies and how ubiquitous brutal double damage attacks are means that you need every needle upgrade and mask shard that you can get and they're far too well hidden unless you're using a guide or doing a repeat playthrough.
What are you people on about, must I remind you this board voted Silksong as the year's GOTYhttps://2025.vidyagaemawards.com/winners
>>738485764That’s impressive if true but I don’t believe you.
>>738485454Anon, your obsession with eating shit is not healthy. We're talking about video games.
>>738484916>t's simply not funsaying a game is "hard for all the wrong reasons" while refusing to elaborate is just someone who is assblasted 90% of the time
Back when ds1 just came out every time anyone complained that the game is too hard /v/ told them to gitgut. Now we have a game that’s easier than ds1 and I don’t see people dogpiling casuals who freely admit that they drop the game “because it’s too hard”. What happened?
>>738486329I think the point of the act 3 enemies is that they are supposed to feel like damage sponges when facing them with the basics, but something you are now equipped to melt or rapidly DPS if you are playing well and using a fancy build/combination you came up with after hours of playSilksong is one of these games where youre kind of meant to fight power with power
