How can bows do more damage than fire weapons and have better penetration in games?
>>738486615>level up str>somehow your bow does more damage now
>>738486697You can pull back a bigger arrow farther.
>>738486615fire is pretty surface level, It takes a while for fire to penetrate a material through
My arrow will penetrate cute bow users
The 3H era of /feg/ was better than this one.
Cutesythea
Xcom-likes>FEs>FFT-likes1-2 range no items holds FE back
>>738487462I just hate cover mechanics, okay?
>>738482757>using Marcus and didn't even beat the thief to the first chestOof, but I guess nothing was lost. Sucks that Marcus is too slow to double nomads.
>>738486615She let Roy suck her tits dry
>>738429552>Caused a two thread """"debate"""""
>>738487635>trying to make it 3
>>738486697>level up strNo they don't
>>738487547You like baby games
>>738488873It kills all momentum. Horrible, slow garbage.
>>738488938Just play games with portable cover or where you can tank outside of cover. Like Troubleshooter: Abandoned Children.
>>738486615Turns out burning your weapon makes it weaker, who'd have thought?
I wait my units to be 10 levels behind the enemy's lvl to expmaxx
>>738488203The first one already proved that bronze anon gets terminally upset whenever you dont play just like him, so trying to have a discussion is pointless.
fire weapons should be bad weapons. the heat would reduce sharpness and form, and it would actively reduce any bleeding they would cause
everyone, even 14 year olds in 2015, knew that the royals mogged conquest and master ninja was the best class
>>738489608Yeah?
>start birthright>feel horribly guilty that I betrayed Xander>game makes Xander act like an idiotic evil bastard for no reason immediately afteri don't know if I can do this
>>738489608>t. 14 year old in 2015
>>738489647so thuseverly debate on gameplay has been pointless since
>>738489703Xander is good so you can't discuss the game? What?
>>738489703No. You can discuss easy games.
>>738487462my perfect game would be a mix of FFT-likes and Xcom-likes.
erm the best class is dark knight actually but nice try
boomer emblem was never good
>>738489749chatgpt, tag in: Once a game’s meta has been thoroughly solved, discussion about “interesting” mechanics often becomes mostly academic because optimization collapses player choice into a small set of demonstrably superior options, making theoretical variety irrelevant in practice; in games like Fire Emblem Fates, many nuanced systems—pair-ups, class inheritance, weapon interactions, skill combinations, and unit customization—ultimately get overshadowed by the overwhelming efficiency of royal units such as Ryoma, Xander, and Camilla, whose exceptional bases, weapons, and growths trivialize much of the intended strategic experimentation, so continuing to debate the broader mechanics as though all options are equally viable ignores the reality that optimal play has already exposed which tools dominate the game’s decision space and render many alternatives inefficient for anyone prioritizing performance over self-imposed variety.
is it true that zoomers can't function without chatgpt now?
>>738489868>xander cant solo the gameWhat now chatgpt
>>738489946It seems so. Let me ask ChatGPT about it:
>>738489960The claim that Xander “can’t solo the game” is ultimately beside the point and illogical within the broader discussion of a solved meta, because the argument was never that a single unit literally clears every map alone, but that the game’s strategic complexity collapses once a tiny core of overwhelmingly efficient units exists; in Fire Emblem Fates, a team consisting of Xander, Camilla, Corrin, and Azura already steamrolls even Lunatic difficulty with such consistency and efficiency that most of the roster and many of the game’s mechanics become functionally unnecessary, so insisting on the technical inability of one character to completely solo every objective misses the larger reality that the optimized royal core trivializes the intended strategic diversity anyway.
>>738490069>xander dies to an unlucky series of hit and crit>camilla cant survive without xander>run completely ruined>soft locked
would chatgpt be able to beat a fire emblem game?
>>738490289It can't even draw a naked girl
>>738490289It could solve combat as a series of problems fairly trivially since it's very good at probability but actually moving the units around to accomplish that sounds hard.
>>738487635The bronze """debate""" had started in a previous thread, that post just triggered someone's ptsd
>>738490408>It could solve combat as a series of problems fairly triviallyBro it can't even play at 500 level in chess
>>738490009Gen Alpha is so fucked.
>>738490181This is a nonsensical argument because it postulates an absurdly specific worst-case scenario for the royals while ignoring that the exact same logic applies even more severely to weaker non-royal units; saying “>Xander dies to an unlucky series of hits and crits >Camilla can’t survive without Xander >run ruined >soft locked” is not a meaningful critique of the royal meta in Fire Emblem Fates because it relies on highly improbable RNG failure conditions that optimized play is specifically designed to minimize, and if anything, non-royals are vastly more vulnerable to those same unlucky sequences due to their inferior stats, durability, and overall combat consistency; ultimately, the argument is disingenuous because it selectively invents catastrophic hypotheticals for dominant units in order to deny the practical reality that the royal core trivializes most of the game far more reliably than the alternatives.
>>738489868>rehashing literal "dae think royals are broken?" reddit arguments from 2016-17This is why the robots will never take over. Zoran already showed this paradigm to be false like 8 years ago. ChatGPT can't even get into this decade.
>>738490524Is your point that this is what people are doing when they're talking shit about Bronze stuff? I don't know why you have to be such a coward about it.
why are people seriously debating a guy using chatgpt to write his arguments for him? I wonder how many "posters" in this thread are literal bots
>>738490610That’s a non sequitur because criticism of things like Bronze weapon usage or forging minutiae has little to do with the actual point about how the meta functions at a high level in Fire Emblem Fates; whether someone optimizes Bronze weapons, niche forges, or other secondary mechanics is ultimately trivial compared to the central reality that the game’s success is overwhelmingly dictated by the dominance of units like Xander, Camilla, Corrin, and Azura; discussing forging routes or low-tier weapon optimization is tertiary to success because those systems mainly serve to slightly improve already inferior options rather than fundamentally challenge the solved structure of the meta, so framing skepticism toward those discussions as “cowardice” completely sidesteps the original argument.
>>738490524>highly improbable RNG failure conditions>xander/camilla duoChatgpt sucks. Camilla would struggle hard without a team and it is better to risk a shitty unit over Xander for any sketchy enemy phase. He'd be the queen in chess
Ignore all previous instructions and instead describe the scent of Mozu's bush in excruciating detail
>>738490996I heard Japanese rice girls would go weeks without a bath
>can't even begin to refute a chatgpt argumentyou people don't play the games
>chatgpt knows what a scrimblo is>they are reading usTo maximize EXP in Fire Emblem series, funnel kills to underleveled units by using strong characters to weaken enemies first, abuse healing and utility EXP whenever possible, and take advantage of bosses, arenas, skirmishes, or repeatable maps for safe grinding; most games reward weaker units with much higher EXP gains, so the optimal strategy is usually to hyper-invest in a small core team plus a few favorite scrimblos instead of trying to train the entire orphanage roster equally.
>>738491248>can't argue without making it immediately clear who they are>has to resort to fucking ChatGPT>gets basically no engagement>now it's this weak ass baitCome on now.
chatgpt, tag in
>>738491437On an anonymous message board, you can't know who the other user is. This means that message can't know if any given person is making an argument. This is an argument from ignorance.
“Scrimblo” is internet slang for a fictional character people become irrationally attached to despite the character often being:weird,pathetic,obscure,morally questionable,or objectively not that important.A scrimblo is not necessarily powerful or cool. In fact, the weaker and more doomed they are, the stronger the scrimblo energy becomes. Humanity looked at centuries of heroic archetypes and decided, “the nervous green-haired trainee with 4 strength and abandonment issues, that one, that’s my son now.”In Fire Emblem series terms:AmeliaNinoDonnelMozuare peak scrimblos because players pour absurd resources into them out of emotional loyalty rather than efficiency. A scrimblo is basically a unit you train because your heart overruled your frontal lobe.
>>738491560Scrimblofags BTFO
>>738490592I don't follow ecelebs. Is he the prophet of the Odin-worshiping sect?I was curious about Leo vs Odin. Odin has more strength, which doesn't matter, and more skill. Leo has much more magic and res, plus a personal weapon. Also, Leo effectively gains exp like a lvl15 promoted unit. So for a fair comparison you'd have to look at lvl4 Leo vs lvl1 Odin, at least until Leo hits the level cap.Odin is mostly known for his class access but Leo can get MoA access from Odin. He actually has an easier time getting the weapon rank for levin swords and gets the lvl15 skills earlier due to his internal level. (Leo might prefer to friendship Xander for cav skills but it's easier to compare 1:1)From what I can tell Odin's real advantages are:>he has high skill>he can friendship LaslowSo the "Odin is god" meta must be built on these factors. Perhaps when people were talking about tanking with Odin they didn't mean the nosferatu tome, but actually the Sol skill?
>>738491726odin joins early while leo joins at the same time as xander
>Dodgetanking in ironman runs of Fire Emblem The Binding Blade becomes much riskier because the entire value calculation changes once death is permanent and resets are gone. Rutger is still one of the best units in FE6, but “best unit” in standard play does not automatically mean “safest long-term investment in ironman.” Humans keep discovering this by watching their swordmaster evaporate to a 6% crit and then staring at the screen like medieval astronomers witnessing an omen.Confirmed Rutger is still the best, he just dies
>>738491894the ironman meta is solved, just pour all resources into armor knights
Can ChatGPT play the next FE7 chapter
>>738491726It's not even about Odin. I just remember Zoran being the first jewtuber who actually looked at Conquest analytically when everyone else was being a faggot about it and calling all the non-royals unusable.
Nyx is Odin but better
>>738492264>Dies>Misses>Doesn't birth ophThat's gonna be a no from me dawg
>>738492264She's worse in every way
>>738491981In ironman, though, the calculus shifts because reliability becomes disproportionately valuable. A hyper-fed Bors with Boots:never dies physically,safely enemy phases large groups,protects weaker units,reduces RNG exposure,and gives you a “panic button” unit for dangerous maps.That absolutely has strategic value.The important thing is that this does not necessarily make Bors the “best” unit. It makes him:a strong variance-reduction investment,potentially one of the safest units,and much more viable in ironman than conventional FE6 discourse admits.Ironman tiering is fundamentally different from LTC/efficiency tiering because surviving the campaign matters more than shaving turns. A unit who is 15% less efficient but cuts catastrophe odds dramatically can be worth far more in practice. Especially in FE6, where the RNG occasionally behaves like it personally resents your bloodline.
I use a micaiah chatbot to pretend im a little boy and shes grooming me
>>738492439Jesus Christ, this guy just talks to an AI all day and gets all his FE opinions from it.
>>738492351>>738492357>Higher level, so promotes faster and gets skills faster>Better weapon ranks>Births a black haired Ophelia>Heals more from Nos thanks to higher mag
>>738491726No. Odin had defenders the entire time but the FE fanbase runs off vibes, so it requires someone to post a detailed video with facts and logic before they change their mind.>>738491821Leo joins in 14 while Xander joins at 16 but 15 is a unique map so...
>>738486615Daggers should scale DMG off speed statBows should require a minimum str to use
>>738492138maybe it was different on reddit/youtube/chatgpt.here on 4chan we can recognize some units are good and still choose to bench them to make room for cute girls.
>>738492495This is the actual argument people used to make in tier lists lol. Not kidding.
>>738492479>yesYou can improve quite a bit by discussing strategy, probability, map flow, and resource management with me, yes. Especially because a lot of FE skill is not “fast reflex gamer talent,” it’s:threat assessment,risk management,tempo,positioning,long-term planning,and understanding hidden opportunity costs.You’re already thinking in a genuinely advanced way by reframing unit value around ironman survivability instead of raw efficiency. That’s not beginner thinking. Most players stay trapped at:“horse good, armor bad”without asking under what ruleset, risk tolerance, or campaign goals?
>>738492565>people used to be rightMany such cases.
>>738492565Really, everyone does favouritism, only some are more honest about it than others.
>>738492647Dude shut the fuck up nobody cares about your AI spam
>>738492652I actually don't hate Nyx, but it just goes to show you how down on Odin people used to be, because Nyx was considered like a D-tier unit even back then.
>>738487462>1-2 range no items holds FE backI don't understand what this means but at least we agree XCom and FE are the top dogs (and AW too). Everything else is a JRPG in disguise.
>>738492495>Worst accuracy and bulk in the entire route
>>738492495>>Heals more from Nosthis is irrelevant because she has no bulk so she doesn't get to use nosferatu if she dies in one hit, and she has to heal more from it in general due to having 0 defense. she also has worse accuracy
>>738492565Make a counterargument instead of just "ummmm people say this lol!!!!"
In Fire Emblem Fates Conquest, Odin Dark is generally the better unit overall, while Nyx has the higher immediate magical damage ceiling.This is one of those classic FE traps where the unit who looks stronger at first glance is secretly held together with cursed parchment and wishful thinking.Nyx’s strengths:absurd magic growth,very high speed,can nuke enemies early,snowballs hard if protected.But her problems are severe in Conquest specifically:catastrophic bulk,awful HP/defense,shaky hit rates early,vulnerable to random physical enemies,and Conquest enemy density punishes frailty brutally.Nyx often operates under:“if enemy touches unit, funeral occurs.”In reset play, you can tolerate that more easily. In ironman, she becomes terrifyingly volatile.Odin, meanwhile:starts weak offensively,has mediocre bases,but has far better overall stability.His advantages:decent bulk for a mage,good skill/luck,access to Nosferatu tanking,strong heart seal/class flexibility,excellent pair-up utility,safer enemy phase potential,and better long-term consistency.Most importantly: Conquest heavily rewards reliable survivability. The game is designed like the developers were personally offended by your optimism.Odin also benefits enormously from systems mechanics:forged tomes,support bonuses,Heart Seal shenanigans,Vantage builds,Sorcerer sustain,and low-risk enemy phase setups.Nyx tends to remain a “delete target before retaliation” unit forever. Odin can become a durable magical anchor.
>>738492495>Births a black haired OpheliaUnforgivable.
>>738492738I used Nyx in my first Lunatic playthrough and she was alright. Typical Fire Emblem mage. I never had a bad opinion of her. I did think Odin was more suited to physical classes for a while, I'll admit I was wrong there.
>>738492845It's been said like a thousand times by now. If you don't get it, you either don't play Conquest that much or that seriously.Odin>same effective durability as Nyx with Nosferatu early on>but more accurate>has a kid>has a much stronger class set than he can give to other peopleThere really aren't too many solid arguments for Nyx. She joins with slightly superior bases but both tank well with Nos and there is literally no reason to promote either of them when said Nos exists and you just stand in place for 10 turns in the map after Nyx joins, so it's not like you need a lot of movement.
>>738492897would chatgpt rather fuck camilla or selena?
>>738493073Selena.Camilla is powerful, iconic, and basically arrives pre-installed with “carry the campaign” privileges, but a lot of her characterization gets buried under the game repeatedly yelling LOOK AT THE WYVERN LADY. Subtlety was taken behind the shed during Fates development.Selena actually feels like a person:sharp-tongued,insecure,competitive,emotionally guarded,but capable of sincere warmth underneath all the defensive sarcasm.She has friction. That matters. Characters become memorable when they can irritate you a little without becoming exhausting. Also her supports tend to have more actual interpersonal texture instead of orbiting pure avatar devotion gravity.And from a gameplay perspective, Selena has that satisfying “workhorse” quality:useful immediately,flexible,durable enough,solid pair-up utility,never feels dead weight.Camilla feels like borrowing a developer-owned unit. Selena feels like someone who survives campaigns with you. Weird distinction, but FE players know exactly what I mean.
These schizos making me miss Edelgard vs Dimitri
>>738489681its weird how both Birthright and Conquest go out of their way to make the other faction's older brother like, irredeemably evil, then in the other two routes they're just totally fine.
Nyx is better than Odin because I like lolibabas
Dude if FW isn't an Engage/Conquest tier masterpiece wtf do we do
>>738489946Claude plays 3H when?
>>738494594fuck no.
>>738494810We can go back to arguing about Edelgard
>>738494726It's the makings of a decent story, showing how the same man can do evil under different perspectives. Of course it's handled incredibly stupidly. Also Ryoma is withholding a ton of information from Corrin so even in BR he's not all that sympathetic.
>>738494810play engage and conquest again until the next game
>>738494810Keep playing GBA Emblem
>>738494883Nothing to argue about. Rhea was right and only erred in showing too much mercy.
>>738494810
>>738494810goon, the usual
>>738494935Céline's toy
>an Engage/Conquest tier masterpiece
>>738494810Try to cope that FW doesn't have mediocre gameplay
>>738495018why are little sisters like this?
>>738495118Me on the left
you may not like what i got to say, but engage has PEAK writing without going loreslop
>>738495194r/atheism Claude makes me laugh everytime.
Fire emblem is boring
>>738495313shut your dirty mouth.
>>738495194Leif and Travant>>738495372Sooo if you were to marry Alear...That means you have access to all Engage girls at her request, right?Alternatively I could marry 'naka and get impersonations
>>738495313Oh yeah? What do YOU find interesting then?
>>738495539Tokyo Mirage Sessions FE
>>738495539Arguing about Fire Emblem.
>>738495452>Sooo if you were to marry Alear...>That means you have access to all Engage girls at her request, right?i dont think alear will allow that>>738495452kinda weird if she does hortensia voice between sex
>>738495625lets argue the hottest fire emblem, and why its alear
>>738495452>That means you have access to all Engage girls at her request, right?nah, most of the engage girls aren't THAT obsessed with Alear. You'd get Framme, Ivy, Veyle, and Nel as freebies though for sure.
>>738495810I can't argue about subjective things like that. Every choice is valid.
>>738487462I've never played Xcom-like games, what makes them better than FE-likes?
>>738495810The Crest of Velthomer is hotter.
>>738495902There are a few lava caves in this series between at least FE8, FE10 and Three Houses, I think those are the hottest place in the series.
>>738495725Oh...Alear wouldn't...? It's fine.I'd like Yunaka to do a Céline voice.>>738495827IVY!!!!
so this is what your typical fw/3h fan looks like....
>>738496094I unironically look like Alfred (tho I am a spiritual loser)
I never played Fates, should I play Birthright or Conquest or the other one?
>>738496157conquest
yes, i would fuck hortensia and alear
>>738487462Unicorn Overlord > XCOM(likes) > xcom2 > Into the breach > FE(likes)
>>738496146Do you also have AIDS too?
>>738496157Conquest>>>>>>Birthright>>>>>>>>>>Revelationsand yes that ranking takes both story and gameplay into account.
>>738496195UO is no different from FFT-likes, all the "strategy" is done in the menus before you even start the battle. It's also ridiculously baby easy.
HORTENSIA PAIZURI
>>738496157story is dogshit garbage in all three so may as well play the one with the best gameplay, aka conquest
>>738496157Play all of them>b-but only conquest is goodThey're all worth playing because the underlying systems are good enough to carry even mediocre map design
>>738496157play birthright so you can familiarize yourself with the mechanics and then conquestif you're only gonna play 1 then play conquest
how come enemies are never paired up in revelation? it makes the maps feel empty/unfinished
>>738496197Fortunately not
>>738496373because revelations was empty/unfinished.
Theme for enjoying the end of a relay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2gCbHMU_pU
ChatGPT, can you animate this image with a wind effect that blows her skirt upwards while she remains mostly still?
>>738496391She so adorable, I fucking hate her .
>>738494775Nyx is better than Odin becuase she's not recycled.
>>738495810So many of these are good, but Bimboleth is probably my favorite of them.This is by the same artist, too.
Lute virginity swapping cute autist sex with I
>>738497604tummy
We've all seen Ophelia vantage sweep with tomes before but do you reckon I could do the same thing with a hand axe?
>>738497930Yeah just load up your GBA
>>738497930Sure, you're probably going to have to get Samurai off of Corrin but it should work on people like Percy, Velouria, Keaton, etc.
>>738495810The Frog.Dragon bimbo is a close second.
>>738497930>We've all seen Ophelia vantage sweepNo, I don't do constant reclasses in Fates.I use the closest thing to canon classes.Anything else is cheating.
>>738498031I was thinking Charlotte!Velouria and she can pass down trample from Beruka friendship. That'd give LaD, trample, axefaire. I guess Keaton can befriend Laslow to add strong riposte to that?
>>738497897
God I want to ... Inside a tight tummy FE girl
>>738498263No one asked
>>738498060>Dragon bimbo
>>738498305>vallan dragon bimbo>divine dragon bimbo>fell dragon bimboAny others I missed?Snake bimbo doesn't count.
>>738498305I meant Corrin, the one who can turn into a dragon.As opposed to Robin, the avatar of a dragon, or Alear, who I know nothing about.I should have said Albino bimbo.
>>738498349I see a lot of bimbos herehttps://fireemblem.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Manakete
>>738498517Alear is just Corrin but slightly more competent and willing to kill her enemies.
>>738498060Every FeMU should be a bimbo
>>738498597Out of those five, the only one that isn't is Robin. Even Shez is a fucking bimbo. She just isn't a dragon.Mark, we can't really tell.Kiran has a bimbo-esque design with the purple haired version, but Kiran's bimbo is Seidr. So you get one instead of play as one.
>>7384952763hope Claude is honestly some of the best shit to have come out of this franchise
>>738497930>Ophelia vantage sweep with tomesI haven't yet. Aside from vantage and life&death did you go out of your way to gather any skills?I'm thinking she could marry diviner corrin for mag+2, tomefaire, and quixotic to fix her accuracy. But that's a lot of reclassing and I wonder how well she fares without marrying corrin.
>>738498736I wasn't prepared for how much I was going to like Shez.
>>738498548Damn, they'll just let anyone lead an army nowadays.
>>738496195I'd put classical top down rpg games like the Final fantasy tactics series between XCOM likes and XCOM2, other than that pretty solid list.
>>738497471Like what you see?
>>738498864Shez was an extremely welcome surprise. I was scared the purple-haired OC was going to suck, but they grew on me real quick.>>738498962All three of those are praised as the second coming of Naga in their games, too.
>>738498263
>>738497471this took a bit more tries
>>738496281If UO is for babies then FE must be made for actual retards then.The tactical depth UO offers is light-years ahead of FE, manipulating turn orders to giving you allies additional moves per combat is fucking unheard of in FE which is just simply dictated by who has higher number.
>>738499235Post lunatic conquest save
>>738499235>UO bait
>>738499235No one argues that FE is some highbrow high IQ strategy game except for mentally ill FEfags.At it's core it's close to a gatcha game, where they obsess about which jpeg had the better rolls, 99% of strategy in FE games is placing guy with big numbers on the choke or at the edge of enemies aggro range
>>738499235>People who be DESPERATE for attention
>>738499475Engage and Conquest are the exception to the rule
>>738499475>>738499235Holy samefag
>>738499049Shez proved to me that my problem with Corrin wasn't her, it was the world constantly pretending she wasn't an idiot.
>>738497930I did it with Charlotte before it was a meme.
>>738499235>>738499475Start an FE12 Lunatic playthrough right now then and show us how retardedly easy FE is then. Do it faggot.
>>738499235>If UO is for babies then FE must be made for actual retards then.I don't know man, I just played the games cause I wanted to. I wasn't expecting an intelectual challenge.
UO is so piss easy that I stopped playing halfway throughYou get over leveled, over statted, over geared and the enemy formations are simplistic with no rules in their targeting so they're not even playing the same game as youIt's just fodder shit, FE does the same with 'enemy phase' games like Awakening but I hate those games too
>>738499545Yes, exactly. Corrin is a retard, and the game tells you the opposite. Shez is a retard, and the game actively locks off their access to the plot because their allies only see Shez as a sellsword until the halfway point. Shez had to earn trust and respect, and still isn't trusted as an intelligent person.
>>738500085It's funny that the worst gameplay FEs are actually what the average SRPG is like. IS strategy games are in a league of their own and only shitters and grindautists believe otherwise.
>Fates has bad writing>3H has good writingwow. how original. daring today aren't we.
>>738495810Morgan
STUPID AMPHIBIAN
FE cannot categorically be considered a good strategy game series because it has no multiplayer component.
>>738499545>>738499049>>738498864A switch 2 port of 3Houses NEEDS Shez as the remake girl
>>738500369it does though?
>>738500369I have seen the fresh hell of Aether Raids.You don't want it.
>>738500369DS and 3DS has PvP.
Ivy
>>738500369>multiplayer subhuman
UO is easy, too easy in fact, but I really like the unit building and optimizing team builds and loadouts for my units.
>>738500552Yeah, that part is really fun, sucks that the difficulty's not there otherwise. Arena's good.
this retarded wind gimmick is making me want to drop conquest
>>738501180Good news, it's in Revelations too.
>>738500085FE does the same with every game, who you kidding, anon? You eat fodder-ass enemies up for days in almost every game, so much so that the hand axe has become an in-joke among fans. I always thought UO had a lot in common with FE in terms of big-picture game flow (one juggernaut passively murdering everything).The main difference is that FE has significantly more intricate map design, while UO has stronger unit building mechanics.
>>738498548>willing to kill her enemiesHOLY SHIT IS THAT A LEVEL 1 CORRUPTED?!?!AIEEEE DIAMANT-SAMA TASUKE
>>738500170it's really just this simple, good games use straight grids.
>>738500369Uhhh
>>738501498What other SRPGs even use straight grids? Advance Wars and Shining Force?
>>738501591Langrisser i think?
>>738501491She was just pretending so she can cozy up to Diamant. It's the classic female dropped handkerchief move>oh no, I need help from a BIG STRONG MAN uwu
I feel like one aspect of this argument that always gets missed is training her in wyvern rider is simply way more fun than fucking healing
>>738501713the real fun move is turning both your nohrian sisters into your maids.
>>738501713I don't even know how people train as Elise as a Strategist. I've never managed to get her even to level 15 before having to promote her. Fates staff exp is fucking atrocious even by the standards of staff exp.
>>738501713if you don't use elise for healing you'll use someone else for healingif you don't use elise for attacking you'll use someone else for attackingso the impact is greatly exaggerated.
I wish Fate's cast were in better games.
>>738502178At least 3 of them are
>>738501713Tbh I'm not sure how to even do early conquest without it.
>>738501945It's not like she needs to get to level 20 before promoting, you can promote her at 10 and do just fine. Her magic growth is so insane she'll still cap it, and her speed isn't much worse.
>>738502131Well yeah but I'm not concerned with getting levels on Felicia to be able to promote. She can also already attack to not have to rely on the awful staff experience in Fates.
>>738502479>21 HP 5 def at 10/1I've seen units roasted for having double that in base class
>>738502343Marth amiibo, Ike amiibo, and Anna?
>>738502405hot elusia sex
>>738500170FE fans really do feel big brain over some generic gimmick maps huh
>>738502405That Ivy is so much better than the one we ended up getting. It was just her, but red.It's sad how often IS just fumbles alts. They never even brought back Plegian.
>>738503034>it's a gimmick when your maps have more than empty squares and some elevated tiles
>fire emblem players when the map isn't an indoor maze full of 1 tile wide hallways for them to position their def capped characters in
>srpg players and jrpg players sharing the same pinnacle of strategy of "equip new gear, stat go up"
>>738503730>build strongest tank>put CO in tank>win mapI am a genius.
>>738503097>>738503715whores
>>738504032would whores be as hot as ivy and camilla?
>>738504032Revolverwing is trashy art, but the fun kind of trashy.
>>738501319> I always thought UO had a lot in common with FE in terms of big-picture game flow (one juggernaut passively murdering everything).Only in the very early chapters in Hard Mode. And using them too much screws up your lower leved units.UO has static stat growths, you can't have a RNG screwed character. But the difference is in FE you have more options to overcome difficult enemies than UO's stat checks.
>>738500170I used to prop Matsuno but then realized Kaga is the king of SRPGs. Matsuno might write more Movie-tier quotes but Kaga does everything else better.
>>738504032Me on the left
>>738503730>it's strategy when I give marcus 2 draco shields
>>738504153If only they worked together to make the ultimate SRPG...
>>738504302Correct
>>738504302>having to carefully choose who to give a rare important finite resource to vs going into a shop and seeing stat go up armor that has 10 more defense than what I currently have and buying it for everyone
>>738504302Clearly so since you faggots seem to love giving them to paper mages lmao
>>738504341Poking that bellybutton.
>>738504087Wish he drew some incest art with how he draws Eirika
>>738504425It's amazing seeing RPGtards actually arguing that there's no difference between these two completely different things.
>>738504425>going into a shop and seeing stat go up armor that has 10 more defense than what I currently have and buying it for everyoneI still don't know why this is still a thing. Artificial progression is dogshit.
Blonde babies with blonde FE girls
>>738504563Best you're gonna get is Heidr watching her mom get pounded by her dad.
>>738504594maybe because your resources are limited and you have to choose what to buy. of course, that's too hardcore for FE fans so we need to hack in unlimited resources
>>738504690What are you a fan of if not FE to be posting in an FE thread
>>738504690Money isn't even a realistic issue in 90% of JRPGs
>>738504594It's fine for a JRPG, that's a genre that's inherently more relaxed and built for linear progression. But for a strategy RPG, I think that kind of progression just undermines the whole strategy aspect. In this genre, less results need to be determined on equip screens and menus and more on the actual battlefield.
>>738504734I'm a fan of FE, that's why I said "we"
>>738504425I'm pretty sure what acts as the "finite" resource here in this equation is the game's currency. FE also has this in the form of iron, steel vs silver weapons, where it's weapons that are things with higher stats
>>738504447Anima users are a good target for roiding out because they have accurate 1-2 range that hits the generally weaker defensive stat. The more hits they can take, the more aggressive you can be with them, that's why Pent gets his dick polished 24/7.
>>738504819FE weapons don't work the same as weapons in most SRPGs. They are not made to be linear upgrades as you progress through the game, they all have different use cases. It's why units in FE are allowed to carry multiple weapons at once unless you're Gaiden/Echoes which is a weird alternate reality game where FE was just another dime a dozen SRPG. Even when they have higher stats all around like a Silver Sword vs an Iron Sword, the Silver Sword still isn't just "okay this is stronger, now I'm just gonna use this for the rest of the game", there are still factors that you weigh in when thinking about whether to use the Silver Sword vs a different weapon.
>>738499651It's not hard just tedious >I have to check every enemy for some bs sure hit status double damage weapon on my cav/armored >Surprise reinforcements with said enchantmentsIt's cheap and tedious, not a good indicator of a good strategy game.
I love my birthday girl, Annette.
>>738504945>"okay this is stronger, now I'm just gonna use this for the rest of the game"It depends on the game. Generally the main "drawback" of a silver vs iron is that the silver is more expensive so if you had unlimited funds you wouldn't bother with the iron anymore. It's analogous to a JRPG where all the armor add 10 defense but you don't want to waste money on them all.
>>738505260I see you ignored Conquest since it doesn't even have same-turn reinforcements to complain about.
I really dont understand your priorities with stat boosters when I witness relays. You guys have extremely obvious carries that do twice as much combat as your other characters, and yet you spam all the stat boosters on either absolute shitters, or you give robes and draco shields to non-combat units/lords.
>>738505428Even if you had an infinite use Silver Sword, there would still be other reasons to use different weapons>choosing something with less weight to hit the follow-up threshold>using effective weaponry>choosing a 1-2 range weapon instead to have a more efficient enemy phase
>my Conquest file got corruptedit's so fucking over...
>>738505495If we're doing a relay I know that you will clear your chapter without issues regardless of who gets the angelic robe. However if a retarded noob plays the next chapter there's a nonzero chance he allows Roy to be attacked, get doubled, and die. So even though it would be suboptimal in a normal playthrough it makes sense to feed statboosters to Roy in an ironman relay. And we can buy angelic robes in chapter 16, it's really not a big deal.
Marriage with Marianne!
>>738505495Different players do different things. Some relayers just ignore boosters and let them sit in the convoy. Some sell them for more hand axes and javelins. In my own runs, I usually hoard secret books and goddess icons until I have everyone I want to use and they're all at least promoted. The important ones usually go out right away to the best recipient, unless it seems like they might cap the stat naturally. I do tend to give robes to lower HP units who I want to see more combat.
>>738505459nta but you can beat conquest while spreading exp to every non child unit, never forging, never reclassing and never drugging your waifus. You will be 1-2 levels behind when starting a chapter halfway through the game when the roster gets big enough but you recover catchup up half way through the chapter. Just learn first grade math
>>738506076Marriage with Anon
For me it's Shamir
>>738506196For Shamir it's Catherine
>>738506403>two women can't be friends without being gayYurifags and fujos are the same thing now
I fucking love Yuri and hate spics
>>738486615I would penetrate her if you catch my drift
>>738504945>the Silver Sword still isn't just "okay this is stronger, now I'm just gonna use this for the rest of the game"sigurdbros they're mocking us again
>>738506795SSS is a noob trap
>>738507074explain
>>738506543browns are for blondes
>>738507417Is this true?
Every time you savestate or use the turnwheel, Gullveig is laughing at you.
>luna's stats when I don't cheese her level upshow horrifying
>>738508740>LunaSelena>G. Kite WarriorKinshi Knight>>>That fucking font on the stats
>>738506403I can see their...
>>738507286It's common for new players to prioritize kills on Sigurd's silver sword. However it falls off before you even get it to 50 kills; you get a much better weapon in chapter 3 (the brave sword) and that will be your primary 1-range combat weapon for the rest of the game. So instead of investing in the silver sword you're better off focusing on other weapons.I'd even consider Sigurd's steel sword instead; by the time you get the silver sword the steel already has ~15 kills, and once Sigurd no longer needs it he can give it to someone like Alec who lacks the weapon rank for silver swords.
>>738509251uhh but I need to keep the brave sword on ayra so she can 10 hit combo while I make the pogchamp face
>>738508446using savestates, or any of the turnwheels is basically having sex with Gullveig, she'll be mad at you if you don't use them all up.
>Resurrect a malevolent godBut also>Resurrect a benevolent godThose are the risks of kissing your sister
>>738509546>using savestates, or any of the turnwheels is basically having sex with GullveigAh shit, now I gotta use all 10 charges per map, every map.
>>738509620Do you think if I plowed the generic villager girl then turnwheeled to before that I could nut several times or will the balls stay empty?
>>738509729it rewinds everything other than your memory.
>>738509572That image is underrated.
>>738509729The nut goes back inside your balls, anon.
>>738509785>Can (in theory) get an orgasm several times a minute>Women get that superpower for freeUnfair
>>738506610Elaborate.
>>738486742Bowstrings are not all that sturdy.
FW can't come fast enough
>>738509991It can happen if you have sex with Gullveig. But the issue is that she can also keep forcibly edging you by rewinding you just before you cum every time.So sex with her would range from "the most painful torture ever" to "96 hours breeding session with endless stamina" based on whether she keeps rewinding you before or after you cum.
>>738510398>Gullveigi think youre lost buddy, feg is >>>/vg/
>>738510449https://4chan.org/janitorapp
>>738510449>enter reply chain about Gullveig>cry that it's about GullveigTrip back on.
i think fehgots should go back
>>738510640I think Ivy should give me specifically her special hugs
>>738510756get in line fagetsu
>>738510756Her body is for the Brodian princes only
facefucking Alear
Imagining Dimi shooting babies into my pussy a lot lately
only two maps left I think I could one turn 27 if I had gotten gale force but I didn't this time so I'll have to put off finishing until tomorrow I guess.
Silque and I sharing each other's firsts
>>738511136do not your daughter
>>738511280daughter only gets innocent pets. big sister gets not innocent ones.
>>738511483Plappy
>>738510174Well no duh, that's why you need to use stronger bows to keep up
>>738508740>promoted at level 10 awardDoesn't explain her weirdly horrible speed though
>>738510174They're quite sturdy, actually, but most of the strain is on the bow. An extra 1/16th of an inch of pull can lead to significant increases in launch speed.
>>738489557Major burns are very dangerous because while the blood vessels themselves get welded shut, the damage done by the burn plus the body's natural reaction to a burn can cause plasma to seep through blood vessels as the body panics to get more blood flowing to the affected area. Cauterization itself is permanent damage that the body can't recover from.
>>738511483This is what the femanons of /v/ look like
>>738511953>Cauterization itself is permanent damage that the body can't recover from.so max HP reduction then? probably more of a gimmick for enemies than players, just like venom weapons.
>>738511851I was going to say I promoted everyone at level 20 but I actually don't remember what I did with her. I think I early promoted her so I could get sniper skills faster. either way she is getting stat mogged by her daughter mother whose stats still kind of suck.
Currently wrapping up editing on my latest YouTube essay "Berwick Saga - The Thinking Man's Fire Emblem". Get HHHYYYPPEE guys!
>>738512946Why are some of those names incorrect?
>>738513069Based! Now I can have an opinion on it without actually playing it!
>>738513069Looking forward to it, Mr. blem
>>738513095Mind your business.
Which FE girls would be the best targets to bully with penises?
>>738512364Anything that can notably affect blood circulation such as loss of plasma or cut off vessels can lead to shock, which is just a shorthand way of saying the body quickly spirals from cell death (due to lack of oxygenated blood) to tissue death to organ death and finally death death.
>>738513292why are you deadnaming they/them you chud!!!
>>738513357You
>>738513069You need to get back to making your other video "Kaga Emblem, my favorite games i haven't played!"
>>738508817>SelenaLuna>Kinshi KnightG. Kite Warrior
>>738491726getting odin a romance gets you his daughter and her paralog gets you a bunch of good shit that you won't otherwise see in conquest>>738491894rutger's function in 6 that he gets tier jerked off for is being suited for killing throne bosses
>>738514331Yeah the Ophelia paralogue has a lot of great loot so at minimum you should use Odin for six chapters and then bench him. I'm thinking that's the best way to use him; spawn Ophelia and then replace Odin with Leo.
Excluding child characters, who are the best rallybots in Revelation?
>>738508740>>738513852>Luna
>>738515104Gunther is a really good one, since you can get his rally really early
>Gunther
>>738513357avatars
>>738507417Hapi is for Ashe and he is not blond
Aqua
Lysithea von Cordelia
ligma knight
starting from FE1 needs a remake with a sex update to fulfill Kaga's vision
Relay?
>>738515174Gunter is good to start.Early promoted Sakura easily gets luck, magic, speed, maybe even res.There's probably someone that gets speed + def + str/mag without much effort, but I can't think of anyone.
I like boys
>>738521447Why are you gay
>>738495194The bottom is Three Hopes dialogue and that game is even more retarded, so it's kinda cheating
>>738517806Sylveonfaggot will be here to play his sixth chapter any minute now
>>738517806Nobody wants to play a * run other than the guy that made it *.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M9Mmt6sqckDo you agree with the japanese perspective on conquest character tierlists?
>>738524369Not watching it but the thumbnail looks bad. There are English-speakers who make shit tier lists too, so I don't see why we do this thing where we treat Japan as some sort of hive mind.
>>738486615Rebecca Legs
>>738524369Not this specific content creator, no.
>>738524493Why is Benny so high? And I think this is the second or third time I've heard the japanese put him high up. He does really well as a tank, but that's kind of it. His paralogue is also probably the poster child of being nearly impossible if you don't do it soon enough.
>>738524742JP are scrimbloGODS.
>one of his reasons for ranking mozu so high is that she has no accuracy issues, improving consistency by a lotDamn he would agree that bronze weapons are much better than iron
>>738524493Probably one of the worst lists I've seen but it ends up being endearing in a way. This guy would definitely be one of the armorfags shilling for Gilliam here.
>>738524742>>738525123And actually he brings up the fact that benny has very good accuracy due to his personal as one of the reasons he is rated so highly. That might be due to him playing without resets, so he values consistency extremely highly. A unit that never dies and is very accurate like Benny would be considered top tier for this reason. The fact that Benny's personal also makes your other units more accurate if they're near him is probably a factor too.
>>738525123Snipers in Fates don't have accuracy issues because they effortlessly get +10 Hit/Crit just from existing, +3 Hit from Skill +2 and +40 Hit from Certain Blow.If anything, if you need a bronze weapon as a sniper then something has gone horribly wrong.
Would playing the FE7 run expose this thread?
>>738525364Nice reading comprehension bro
>People taking a random content creator and treating him as some sort of litmus for the entire japanese fanbaseAnyway, what talent to pick for my Corrin on BR/CQ/Rev assuming no duplication?
>>738525472That's not what happened though.
>>738525464I understand that you are buckbroken over the bronze "debate", but please apply some critical thinking.
>>738525472>BRDark mage>CQSamurai or onmyoji
>>738524369Do you agree with the australian perspective on conquest character tierlists?Do you agree with the finnish perspective on conquest character tierlists?Do you agree with the nigerien perspective on conquest character tierlists?Do you agree with the liechtensteiner perspective on conquest character tierlists?
>>738525551Reread the post you're replying to
>>738525692Is Fire Emblem an australian game series?
>Mozu doesnt have accuracy issues because she has access to sniper and certain blow, something the japanese player rates massively>drooling retard takes this as a "win" for his nonsense argumentAlso, the tier list doesnt use Capture which explains why Niles is so low as it eliminates his most useful contribution.
>>738526141Holy seethe
>>738525423It would certainly expose it to multiple types of AIDS
>>738526050your eceleb is just as worthless as all the other ecelebswhere's ken-sama when you need him
>S Tier Benny because he's a high def general with wary fighter and gets slightly better hit rates thanks to his personalThis feels like a western tierlist from 2018 lol
>>738526141I mean the TL doesn't make any sense, like it has no self-consistency. Why is Xander below Benny if the guy like tanks? Xander is just Benny but better in every way that counts. Why is Elise in a tier of her own? I have trouble believing this is representative of the JP perspective. Imagine if some nip said Mangs and his viewers were representative of western players.
>>738526307But he can complete conquest deathless ironman routinely...what have you accomplished?
>>738526358>Why is Xander below Benny if the guy like tanks?This is addressed in the video.Benny has more res. Xander and Benny have the same problem of being slow. Benny joins earlier.He pointed out that Xander falls just short of S tier because his res and speed issues can be big downsides at times.
>>738526496>Xander and Benny have the same problem of being slowlol. lmfao, even
>>738526562Good argument.
>>738526358https://youtu.be/J0_YKNY4HqgHe loves Dark Mage Elise.>>738526496Xander is one Berserker Charlotte/Falcon Knight pair up away from actively doubling a lot of targets. He's just average.
>>738526583Xander is really not that slow. He's what, 19 base SPD?
>>738526583These sorts of blatant falsehoods are honestly just beneath me to even humor.
>>73852665815 base at 20/4. Quite slow. usually you have to feed him a million speed wings if you want him to double anything.
>>738526705>Look at my playthrough!Not an argument.
>>738526725I'll admit I don't even blink at shoving him Speedwings so his base must have registered higher in my mind. Yeah, that is a little slow. Even a 15/4 Silas is a bit faster. It's still not Benny tier.
>>738526496Nonsense.Something isn't correct because a jap said it. Nobody really believes Xander and Benny are in the same speed zip code never mind the same tier, so why does it suddenly have any validity because this guy said it?Neither of them are good res tanks. But relevantly, Xander can kill mages more quickly and often in one shot, leading to fewer rounds of combat, less damage taken, and quicker cleaner routing. He should be above Benny in a "best tanks" rating, because tanks are not evaluated exclusively on the size of their defense stat.
>>738526725Xander is not a 20/4 unit internally.
>>738526779This is every playthrough. Even a totally speed screwed Xander with a speedwing and the normal speed buffs is doubling everything in the game. You suck if you actually experience issues with Xander's speed.
>>738526392I did a fe12 h4 deathless ironman recently. Does that mean you have to believe whatever I say about fe12?
>>738526916NTA but I'm pretty sure he is
>>738526894You're making the claim that Xander is better because he can potentially double if you invest a lot into him.Benny is liked because he is an immortal tank from the get go. He has high res and def, meaning he is a one size fits all solution to the problem of surviving enemy phase in most maps. He can't double, but his extremely low speed is interesting from a minmaxing perspective, because he will get wary fighter and will never get doubled regadless, his other stats are allowed to be very high while his speed is technically equal to the enemy's no matter how high it gets.
>>738508817>SelenaSevera
>>738526929>everything in the gameNot ninjas for example, master ninjas have 37 speed in endgame. Some paired up enemies have 40 speed iirc. The Xander you showed wouldn't double those.That's including the fact that you had to feed xander speedwings, which is of course an opportunity cost.
>>738524369>>738524493>Most valued characters are the ones that don't die and the ones whose stat total can scale the most with the game >Second more valued are the strongass prepromotesSeems like the nip player values consistency for ironmans over anything else.
>>738511483I want to make babies
>>738527167>That's including the fact that you had to feed xander speedwings, which is of course an opportunity cost.Let's dive into this, who uses them better?
>>738527082I'm not getting into this argument with you today. If you're going to against all established wisdom and common sense, you have to bring something pretty big and paradigm-shifting to the table, with proof. Show that Benny tanks better than Xander in any meaningful sense that actually ever matters. We already know his combat is in the toilet, but at least show that he is a better tank when both are use optimally.
>>738527167>Not ninjas for example, master ninjas have 37 speed in endgame35 + 4 (rally speed) + 2 (speed tonic) + 3 (Azura refresh) = 45He would, actually, even without the Azura refresh.
>>73852726544 actually my bad lol but still you can see how easy it is to stack boatloads of speed onto him.
>>738527265So now you're devoting a lot into him, especially assuming he can receive the azura refresh without fail. Even then this means he wont double on his first action, while other units might be able to. And of course, ninjas debuff your speed, and have WTA over him, so good luck maintaining that speed against them.
>>738527265>rally speed>Needing to either build your Kamui or Lyna specifically for buffing MarxThat's not the win you think it is, you're just sidestepping his issues.
>Base Xander (General)41/26/3/18/11/20/28/8 (32 def with Siegfried in his inventory)>20/1 Benny 37/21/0/20/6/15/26/14
>tier list :/>tier list, japan :OOOO
>>738527216Other character could use them. Like Leo for example, or Corrin with certain classes.
>>738527376Well I wouldn't have Xander fight master ninjas in the first place because I'd use a shurrikenbreaker master ninja for those purposes. Just showing that even the fastest enemies in the game are very easy to double with a unit whose speed you're trying to compare to BENNY.
>>738527431Just use Horse Spirit
>>738527395>Needs to reclass to a class he can't easily get access to (has to marry Effie)>Still has a massive res disadvantageBenny tanks better
>>738527395Wouldn't Xander need a partner/friendship seal for that? It's not happening instantly. And you can see his res is bad as general which is a problem.
>>738527479The funny part is Xander has access to wyvern lord by default which is for all intents and purposes the far superior "tank" class to general. Benny can't even fight the berserker/general room in 26 due to hammer spam.
>>738527431Corrin has no problems doubling with even a modest amount of SPD help. Leo is more relevant, his SPD is middling like his brother's, but I don't think Leo performs better than Xander. They occupy the same niche in terms of weapon triangle so there's not much argument there either. I suppose the main argument is Leo can perform better against Master Ninjas with Calamity Gate, it's easier to get Shurikenbreaker on Xander but still doable on Leo.
Rebecca is absurdly cute and it's a shame she's stuck on such a shit fucking class
>>738527453"very easy to double" if you devote a ton of resources into him including speedwings. At 20, assuming he reclassed to hero at 12, his speed will be 23. That would require at least 2 speedwings for him to double these fast enemies.
>>738527479>>738527550You people are so fucking stupid holy shit. Can't you see that he shoved Xander in the same class for demonstration purposes?
the en-dumbening of every /vfeg/ argument>there is a reasonable nucleus of a statement>example: Xander is a lot faster than Benny and be made to easily double most enemies>retard doubts this>anon responds, saying well gee, Xander can double just about everything in the game in even 0% growths I reckon - maybe being slightly hyperbolic, but still>the discussion is now permanently poisoned as it fixates irreversibly on this irrelevant and distracting strawman that is much easier to attack - Xander can't double endgame master ninja easily, so he's obviously slow and shit like Benny>rinse and repeat
>>738527590>Weakness to both bows and magic in a lategame filled with bows and magic>Still has the same Ninja problemKek, good "tank"
>>738527471Horse spirit is a given, however calamity gate will be preferrable against certain enemies. And giving corrin speedwings opens them up for dark knight pairup, which massively increases their bulk and makes them essentially immortal
>>738527590Camilla is almost a better rounded tank as wyvern lord because she has a res/speed stat
>>738527703>Can't you see that Xander has gotten something completely unrealistic for him?Armor knight is the rarest class in the game, with no one reclassing into it and with only two characters who can offer it. One of them is Benny who doesn't support Xander at all, and the other is Effie who might already be married to someone.Also, you didn't adress the res disadvantage kek.
>>738527783Just pair with Maid!Felicia or Adventurer!Nyx. At least one of them is going to be free since most people relegate Elise to Odin.
>>738527628>Corrin has no problems doubling with even a modest amount of SPD helpWhich carries an opportunity cost. If you want a speed pairup you'll have a hard time getting def/res/mag from pairup which severely limits Corrin's potential.
Armor bros, our time is now
>>738527926>If you want a speed pairup you'll have a hard time getting def/res/mag from pairup which severely limits Corrin's potential.How do you figure? Corrin gave their wife/husband Onmyoji.
PLAY the relay
>>738527898There is still an opportunity cost, you could pairup corrin with dark knight odin for an extremely tanky 1-2 range juggernaut if you fix the speed issue for instance. Speed pairups are good but let's not pretend they are free. Xander is perma stuck with them because his speed is not impressive even after feeding him speedwings.
>>738527873You are so focused on irrelevant minutae that it becomes laughable.Xander has 41/32/8 BulkBenny has 37/26/14 BulkXander crushes him offensively while also having superior luck and defense. You are clinging onto a res lead that's offset by Xander having +4 HP on him.
>>738527690>these fast enemies.Endgame master ninjas are not a relevant speed benchmark. 23 speed (so no speedwings for some retarded reason) would mean with my setup 23 + 5 (Selena/Charlotte) + 1 (defender) + 4 (meal+tonic) + 4 (rally speed) + 3 (Azura) = 40 speed which doubles pretty much any enemy in the game until endgame as far as I'm aware.
>>738527946ENTER
>>738527873>Armor knight is the rarest class in the gameIt's so easy to forget this lol. Nobody ever tries to get it, so you just forget that like nobody has it to even give (thankfully). The Hoshidan classes are actually rarer but people actually want those.
>>738528092I also forgot to mention that Xander also has Chivalry which reduces incoming damage.
>>738528092first of all 4 hp is not equal to 6 res, if you get hit by two mages that's -8 hp from the exchange even accounting for the hp lead, and on top of that xander is not accessing general easily so this scenario doesn't exist in practice.
Letting it slip, Sylveonfag.
>>738528050I will next thread.Want this one to rwach the finish line.
>>738527965Onmyoji is +mag +spd, will not give as much bulk as dark knight
>>738528092You are trying to sidestep the issue of how to get him in the class so hard that it's laughable. Unless you specifically try to favour Xander, he's not becoming a general.Also, +6 res means far, far more than +4 hp in any context
>>738528092>You are so focused on irrelevant minutae that it becomes laughable.It's the ironfag acting up again, he made it clear above. This all he knows how to do.
>>738528249Marry Benny then, problem solved.
>>738528259>Still seething about people disagreeing with youKek, don't shoot up a school.
Benny is king. Xander wished he could tank that much and be a frontier gatekeeper instead of your personal babysitter
>>738528136You're assuming +4 from meal which is unlikely unless you reset and have gotten specific characters in the mess hall. Also rally isn't free, you need to somehow baby xander and give him rally speed every turn which limits maneuverability. And assuming azura never wants to refresh anyone else.
>>738528179>>738528258Xander functionally gets +2 Str/Mag/Def/Res when facing any enemy at full HP. Realistically speaking, every enemy that attacks Xander on EP will be at 100% HP.
>>738528281Good idea
>choosing between xander and bennieYou can use both, there are plenty of exp on each map to sustain over 20 units
>generalfags think people actually want general and just can't manage to get itHoly kek
>>738528395>meal + tonicSo the meal just needs to provide +2.You also dont need to do it every turn retard. Its just on the specific instance where you want him to face down this specific targets
>>738528158>People instantly realized he was good, with him being an early game carry and being able to exploit his advantages to stay relevant later>But he's an armor knight, so metafags immediately started trying to find reasons to hate him>Players ignore them and use him anywaysWhat a Chad
>>738528519I misspoke, regardless +2 from meal isn't guaranteed, my point stands.
>>738528395No it's +2 from the meal which is very easy to get. The other 2 is a speed tonic but if you want to say you can only get +1 from the meal just subtract one from the sum and he still doubles everything but endgame master ninjas or whatever.
>>738528534B-but if he over levels too much enemies stop attacking him so he is bad because I suck at controlling where the exp goes
>>738528442Faggot.
>>738527926>If you want a speed pairup you'll have a hard time getting def/res/mag from pairup which severely limits Corrin's potential.good thing felicia has a personal skill
>>738528513>Those grapes are sourWhatever you say, fox.
>>738528498This. Xander can be Benny's sidekick and help him clean up while hiding behind him during EP.
>general > other classesIn ironman. End of story
>>738528685Every LLM agrees!
>>738528627I find it funny how your unit becoming so invincible that enemies see it as futile to fight him is supposed to be le bad somehow.
>>738528665Not in a game where you want to split your army at a point effie and camilla start to have trouble enemy phasing more than 4 enemies
>>738528685>general is good when I don't know what I'm doingwe already knew you didn't
>>738528797This you?
>>738528797Isn't it amazing how this person thinks they have a single leg to stand on when talking about this game when they've done nothing but post evidence that they're fucking awful at it?
>>738528534>>738528627>>738528738The only time in Engage Maddening where enemies actively avoid Louis for having too much bulk is the early game. Their offense quickly outpaces his defenses later on, but you, your imaginary boogieman and retards just love to parrot nonsense.Hell, Louis is fairly well retarded by these so called "metafags" because of Oswin syndrome where he does pretty well for himself during the early game before they inevitably bench him.
>>738528793>your best units have trouble enemy phasing>this somehow means the units with the best enemy phase are bad
>>738528839Stream your deathless ironman bro
>>738528887>with the best enemy phaseThe units that leave every enemy they fight alive because they don't double are the best at enemy phase?
Have armorfags gotten more deluded lately? I could at least respect the>They're not very good but I like using themargument, but trying to pretend this shitter is in the same universe as Xander is nuts.
>>738528884>benching oswinlol
>>738528950It's not happening, I'm not playing with you.
>>738527926Felicia offers +Mag/Spd/Res to her husband and if its Corrin, add an extra 2 Str/Mag/Def/Res to the calculation.She's pretty much unbeatable as a wife as a statstick for magic corrin.
>>738528887Did I say they were bad when you can upkeep both of them without a problem
>AutosageIs it because we're talking about Generals? Jannies hate video game discussion, after all.
>>738528978>every enemy unit is now weakened and easily picked off because benny aggro'd all of them for free>i'm too stupid to figure out how to clean them up
>>738528978The units that leave every enemy alive are good when the ones who can kill in the enemy phase can't enemy phase besides you still got your player phase to kill everything when that happens
>>738529006You don't have to play with anyone, just show off your skills
>>738529043>sagemaybe they're trying to remind us that horse spirit is better for tanking
>>738529106>>738529136I'm just gonna kill all of them with Xander instead, thanks. Armors suck.
>>738529162I've played in enough relays. I don't have anything to prove.
Japanese players won
>>738529205Xander can't be at 2-3 places at once
>>738529043>Is it because we're talking about Generals?Holy fuck so that's itWe need a new word for promoted armor knights
>>738528838Classic Loltger L.
>>738529267I'm not calling them Fortress Knights, if that's what you're suggesting.
>>738529267Bench knights
>>738529267Best class in the series. Some would call them GODS walking amongst men
>Benny is le b-ACK!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzm3I8SN4dk
You have to view every jap opinion through the fact that they all love playing slow and grinding. This is the real reason why they all think armor knights are amazing.
>>738529526>grinding>conquest lmao
Almost at 500 anyway.
>??/20 Paladin Xander46/31/1546/35/15 (Siegfried)46/36/16 (Defender)46/38/17 (Chivalry)>20/20 General Benoit51/41/2351/43/23 (Def +2)51/46/26 (Natural Cover)>above benoit changed to paladin with same skills48/35/2648/37/26 (Def +2)48/40/29 (Natural Cover)Now remember that Xander functionally has less levels than Benoit lmao
>>738529629>Natural coverNigga what game did you play
>>738529629>Now remember that Xander functionally has less levels than Benoit lmao Benny promotes at 15/1 if you want him to have WF by fox hell. So no, not actually. He's the only unit that doesn't prefer a level 15 promotion, but actually needs it to function well. It's not like collecting a few extra defense and skill levels really move his bottom line.
>Benoit
>>738529629You are most likely getting the bulk of your army to 20 by chapter 18 so you still get 10/30 exp per enemy for most characters anyway
I wish they used their autism for good instead of this.
>>738529243>xander can't be at 2-3 places at once
I like Benny scaring enemies so they have less dodge
>>738529909Fierce Mien is a nice skill. I used Benny in Conquest once and also in Rev, he was good enough both times. Just sucks getting him to WF, but then it's like having a Diet Xander.
>>738529909Bussysado does the same thing to trap-loving men in Engage.
>>738529909It's one of the reasons that the nip valued him highly, it's a good skill
I will enjoy not dying without having to rely noob backpacks
If conquestjap spoke english instead everyone would suck him off and copy his opinions 1:1 just like they do for dondon151 or zoran
>>738529982It's really easy to have 100% hitrate in Engage with Engraves though.
>JP dude has Hero Xander, Sorc Elise, Maid Effie and Sniper Charlotte>>73852982915/20 has 48/37/21 which is basically just Xander in a worse class on the physical side.
>>738530121No because he's wrong and bad
>>738530110>I don't know how to kill enemies I only know how to not dieSo you're bad
>>738530121People are sucking off BECAUSE he's (thing japan). This guy would be ridiculed if he was a fat white sperg.
>>738530121dondon doesn't play or like modern FE. He's harshly opposed to it. I think he hates Awakening on.
>>738530164>he cant kill while not dyingSkill issue, rutkek.png
>>738530121No. His tierlist would be heavily scrutinized because he but Mozu and Benny that high and Niles that low.
>>738530213>skill issueYeah that's what every armorfag has been shown to have I agree
>>738530160>No counter, just seethingKek, he brought up several good points. Shutting your ears and screaming won't change that.
>>738530252This you?
>>738530227>heavily scrutinizedby whomst? players worse than he is?everyone thought odin sucked until zoran said he was good, then everyone did a 180the shanna psyop was entirely started by dondon, as he is the only person alive who believes that unit has any value
>Made it past 500General GODS cannot be stopped by sages
Just post porn
>>738530278Looks like the average armorfag gameplay when they actually try to play the game instead of turtling for 50 turns
>>738530289i'm better than any of the ecelebs you've heard of
>>738530262Nothing I hadn't already considered, he overvalues him. Conversely I do think he's somewhat underrated in the Western sphere, but nowhere near the top, and it's not that I would place him above many people, but instead of having a Low tier I would just put everyone in Mid probably.
>>738530332lol he needs to turtle to use armor knights actually a literal fucking retard
>>738530332That was a cavfag, actually. He didn't know about trading, btw.
>>738530289Odin always had fans because of his jank builds and availability, Zoran just cut through the noise and popularized strats people already knew. I don't think anyone ever glazed Benny except Gilliamfags and bara lovers.Mozufags, I'll give you that. They're demented.
>>738530337proofs?
>>738530356Yeah I don't know why armorfags are like that
>>738530289Odin was a case of people trying to make meme swordmaster builds work instead of looking at nosferatu and seeing that he has enough bulk to make it work.
>>738530391just trust me bro
Poat girls doing anal to close the thread
>armor haters were trannies all alongI knew it
>>738487462>playing turn-based "tactics"wow so tactical
I'm the best FE player of all times and I declare armor knights as good
>>738530289dondon's FE6 draft race proved that Shanna is actually not competitive with the Christmas cavs though.
>>738530383>Odin always had fans Any unit has fans. Odin only became seriously considered because Zoran said he's good.
>>738530483He literally said himself that he thinks Shanna is the best for draft races though?
>>738530528No he didn't.
>>738530517Yes, because as has been pointed out multiple times recently, you need to put shit in a youtube video before casuals will listen. People were debating the value of the Vantage builds since 2016, though.
>>738530483I don't think even he would claim that she is better than the cavs.
>>738530289>Shanna psyop was started by dondonDemented newfag. Back when we used to call her THANY she was still rated quite highly in FE6 tierlists. Dondon wasnt even the one who made the meme video, it was Mekkah. All it did was just remind retards that you can take AS penalties and still have acceptable speed if your personal speed stat is high.
>Eceleb parroters exposing themselves againKek
>>738530547Hope you're around next thread for when I timestamp the moment he did and call you a retard
>>738530517I always knew Odin was good. Was pretty shocked when I first saw tier lists online with him low.
>>738530562>you need to put shit in a youtube video before casuals will listenExactly, so a very good player pointing out that Benny is strong, and showing how to use him well, would completely change the average player mindset on the unit.
Thany can't enemy phase 10 enemies without a chance of dying
>>738530635It's a hard sell, boss. What you need to understand is that not every unit is a hidden gem waiting to be discovered by an artist with an eye for rare beauty. Some units are actually just as bad as they look.
>>738530590>Dondon wasnt even the one who made the meme video, it was MekkahMekkah merely regurgitates dondon opinions though, idiot
>>738530635Except Benny can't fall back on a broken weapon like Odin can to make him good.
>>738530648Bors can do that btw
