I want to get into visual novel genre. Where do i start?
Song of Saya
Kana imouto
Dasaku Sadistic BloodMaggot Baits
>>738489978Persona 5
>>738489978English mystery VNs on Steam from the past few years:>Beyond R: Rule Ripper>Birth ME Code >Blankspace>Clean Slate>CORPSE FACTORY>Decide 4 God (Out now in full 1.0)>Detective Instinct: Farewell, My Beloved>The Divine Deception>Entropic Float: This World Will Decay And Disappear>The Game of Fourtune>Head AS Code (remake)>Look Inside>Methods: The Canada Files>Methods: The Detective Competition>The Price of Flesh>Quantum Suicide>Reaplaced>Shards of Chaos>The Specters Desire>SYNESTHESIA>Tead>Thief's Roulette>Whispering Memories>The Zodiac TrialEnglish mystery VNs on Steam that are to-be-released:>The Lost Delinquents of Rollings High>Motives: The Ultimate Problem>NO MORE WORK FOR ITO>Ubel>Underground22>The Wonderland Killings
>>738490185What was her disability, anyway?
>>738489978Muramasa. Best sword and rape simulator. Or song of saya. It's nice and shorts.
For mystery VNs, the best are Umineko and Remember11. Avoid Western shit, it doesn't come close. Trust me, I played all of them.
>>738490462>the best are tranny "everybody is in on it EX DEE" garbage and unfinished11Nah I don't trust your newfag ass LOL
>>738489978You start by paying respects to the King.
>>738490723What if they don't?Your psychotic Fate-loving ass going to go spam "fate" in >>>/vg/vn/ over 15 THOUSAND TIMES?LUHMAO
>>738490347a need to be comfortable
>>738489978Feels like most people in the west started with Phoenix Wright.
>>738489978Morenatsu.
>>738490661Yes, that is the best. The other competition is Ace Attorney and Danganronpa, which have their own sacks of bullshit.
>>738490817Already mind broken after one post, I see.
>>738490312A lot of these visual novels look great.
>>738489978https://vndb.org/v5035 Pico to Chico - Shota Idol no Oshigoto
Fate Stay NightTsukihime Remake Steins;Gate SubaHibi (but you need to have some patience)
>>738491691>Tsukihime RemakeUnfinished trash.. OP better of reading the OG version of Tsukihime since that version is actually a complete product.
>>738491691what's subahibi about?
>>738492000Mental illness and bullying.
They are worse than books, worse than video games, worse than anime, it’s honestly better if you don’t start at all. And I’m genuinely not trying to be an asshole or a contrarian, there’s so much better stuff out there
>>738492000Pure schizocore. Worth playing for how unique it is. Personally though I don't like the second half of the story. The intro chapter is also pure yuri filler that only exists to filer potential readers.
>>738489978
>>738492105No they aren't. I read all the best mystery novels people recommend, and they aren't any better than VNs. Pic related is supposedly the peak of Japanese mystery fiction, and it was terrible.
>>738492105BTFO instantly by a random anon
>>738489978Saya no Uta is probably the best 'first visual novel'. It's only a few hours long, only has two choices, and it's good.After that, I'd rec Fate/Stay Night, 999, and Stein's;Gate. You can develop your taste from there.There' also romance-focused, 'dating-sim'-esque ones, but I don't like them so I won't try to recommend anything there.
>>738492471>Saya no Uta is the best VN>I would rec F/SN, 999, and S;Gholy fucking newfag nigger post from reddit
kamidori alchemy meistersengoku rancebaldr skydeardrops
>>738492550>best VNBest for a FIRST vnI'm recommending basic shit for an introduction to the genre.
>>738492169Intro chapter is easily the best part
>>738492236>they don't know they're all just shittily quoting a png
>>738492000pseudo intellectualism made bearable by xd random plot
Whatever looks interesting to you. Trying to play "the canon" instead of just whatever looks appealing is a good way of never wanting to interact with VNs again.Choose by checking settings that seem interesting to you and with a length that seems manageable.
>>738492704Sorry but if I'm reading a schizo VN I want a schizo story, not generic yuri shit.
monster girl quest
>>738489978This is a question on the level of "I'm new to novels/ movies/ music, what should I check out first?" It's an entire medium, not a genre.Where you should start is the same as with any other medium: you've seen something that piqued YOUR interest, so you follow through and give it a chance.So if you think Higurashi looks neat, check it out. And if you like it, THEN you can ask for recs similar to Higurashi. Or if you don't like it, you try the next VN that looks appealing.Save the alleged must-reads of the medium for if and when you actually want to read them.
>>738489978Remember11 since I made two of my friends that never read VNs and made fun of me for reading 100 hour ones like Umineko get into it and love it.Starts good, has 0 filler and a great ending that will leave you thinking.
>>738493695>unfinished11yikes
>>738493718I get it dude you're bored as fuck but don't disrespect one of the only VNs that respect your time and don't have you sit through boring slice of life dialogues. It's pathetic that shit like Ever17 got popular and not R11
>>738493838https://adayem.wordpress.com/2020/09/26/mages-s-special-interview-with-ex-kid-employees/unfinished11 is canonically unfinished. Don't pretend your favorite VN is some unparralled paragon of literature, faggot.
>>738493838>N7Charming cast, but nothing all that interesting happens.>E17Boring beginning, good middle, amazing ending.>R11Good pacing throughout, doesn't actually have an ending.Pick your poison. There's no perfect VN, they all have flaws. Raging Loop is another one with great pacing but a shit ending.
>>738494245>Raging Loop is another one with great pacingYeah, no. That one has generic slow VN pacing. The feasts are the only interesting parts.
>>738494245>>738494001>>738493718>>738493695sometimes when i see people talking about these i think of 11eyes which makes me want to kill myself for different reasons
>>738494001AND it's still the best VN, crazy right? You finish it, you sit there and go what the fuck was that? Then you go to the wordpress and read what the fuck happened then you realize just how much there is and what you missed then you start thinking why the fuck did this really good VN never get finished. Well it's because life is just simply unfair. You can even cope by saying that it has an actual ending since it traps You.>>738494245E17 has an awful middle, it just goes on and on with the rollercoaster and sandwich I don't even remember the VN since it was so fucking repetitive everything just mumbled together. R11 doesn't have a proper ending but what ending should there be? They escape, all is done. You can deduce every mystery from the TIPS section or the fan made blogpost. People overreact way too hard to this, yes it's literally unfinished but that doesn't mean the journey isn't one of the best in mystery VNsI loved Raging Loop until the big spider got shown, I blocked it out from there.
>>738490347
>>738494457>dude COPEAh, I see. A 2016+ newfag nigger believes that unfinished11 was intentionally made that way despite literal developers saying otherwise. What a mess of severe mental illness.
>>738489978HigurashiUmineko after that.
>>738494332There's constantly shit with consequences happening (i.e. characters dying) throughout. Compared to your average VN where literally nothing happens for extremely large stretches of time I wouldn't consider it slow. If you don't give a shit who lives or dies and only "what's the True Route Ultimate Mystery Secret" then yeah it's probably a terrible game to play because the ending sucks.
>>738494512Are you retarded? You can't even finish reading my posts how can you shit on R11. It obviously had an ending in mind but when they couldn't do it they decided to leave it on an "ending" that made the most sense. Can you understand what I'm writing or is your autism too strong
>>738489978999 or Utawarerumono might be good because they have significant gameplay portions.
>>738494664Your opinion does not supersede the developers and you acting like every 2011+ Reddit immigrant who believes everybody who disagrees with them is autistic shows your youthful newfaggotry.
>>738494786No, I'm only calling people who couldn't see my obvious sarcasm in saying the cope part autistic. It obviously had like 2 more hours after the final CG of explaining stuff but that's the best part about R11, you can make out the story just from tips.Keep seething that R11 is the best mystery VN even in its unfinished state. Pretty sure everyone that read it agrees that it's really good and the most consistent VN
>>738494457>R11 doesn't have a proper ending but what ending should there be?See: Ever17's true route (Coco route), it's the perfect ending to the game and ties everything up in an emotionally satisfying conclusion. R11 is just straight up missing that final route. "Just imagine what happened in your mind" isn't good enough, if I was that imaginative I'd be sitting in the author's chair but I'm not.
>>738489978I'm actually reading higurashi, in episode 3 right now.It's crazy how quick they go from child sexual slavery jokes, to a serious portrayal of child abuse
>>738495054Remember11 is objectively the best-paced mystery VN. That alone makes it worth reading.
>>738495054>cope>autistic>seethingYou will never fit in to 4chan.org, newfag.
>>738495083Savor it, episode 3 is peak Higurashi. You get another highpoint at 6 but it's all downhill from there.
Kanon
>>738492312Yes they are, vns are genuinely not good, I’m not even a mystery fan, but the sherlock holmes and the hannibal lecter novels are better than quite literally all visual novels put together. And it’s your fault if you are only taking recommendations based on what other people like instead of what you like
>>738494525Did everyone play with the modern textbox?I just used the original way of displaying text. No mouth speaking animations either.I don't regret it.
>>738489978katawa shoujo
>>738495193Yeah, I like umineko way better so far. I loved Battler as a protagonist, but I really don't like Kei. He's very annoying, which tbf, he's just a kid, my only hope is that he gets better in later episodes.
>>738495505I can tell you're not a mystery fan, since despite being iconic the Homles novels are bad mysteries. I read several golden age mystery novels and they were not any better than Umineko.
Suzukage Hotori.
>>738495518No idea why you would do that.
>>738495850That's how the text was displayed originally so I thought it was part of the experience. Using modern textboxes felt weird to me.
>>738495989I hope you at least enabled the voice acting.
>>738496119Yes. The voice acting was kino. I read the entire thing on autoplay with the voiceover and I endured every single one of Maria's Uuuuu's.
Would it be worth writing my own visual novel? I’m a published author, so I probably have more experience with the writing side of things than most, but I’ve always been skeptical of VNs, because a lot of them barely count as vidya. For example, I played House in Fata Morgana and didn’t like it because it was basically just a light novel with a dialogue option every few hours. Call me arrogant, but I often wonder if I could do it better.
>>738495582One of Ryuukishi's tics as a writer is that he clearly enjoys writing female characters more than men, so even the male protagonists aren't going to be as well developed and compelling.
>>738496367No, it's a dead genre. I already published one and nobody cares. You'll get a much bigger audience with a CRPG.
>>738496367"I could do better" sounds like a pretty shallow impetus to make something creative, but knock yourself out.
>>738496367>but I’ve always been skeptical of VNs, because a lot of them barely count as vidya.I don't see why this would matter if you're mostly interested in the writing side of thingsPlenty of VNs are good while being devoid of gameplay
>>738496384Umineko is clearly a more female focused story, but I think it has a pretty balanced cast between ages and sexes, and male characters are well written too.Higurashi is more like your typical anime, with most of the cast being teenagers and waifus, but really my only problem is Kei, he's the only character I dislike, which is why I hope he gets better.
>>738496691I guess I’d feel the need to include some level of interactivity because otherwise, why not just make it a regular novel? Of the VNs I’ve played, the ones I seem to like most are actually porn ones, because they usually have a decent amount of interactivity.
>>738496728Keiichi's best (and possibly worst) moments come in Part 6. I liked him the whole way through, though. That said, Keiichi is not the protagonist of Higurashi.
>>738490040this thing was giga mid cant believe i got scammed into reading it at least it was short
>>738496968Video game writing is different from novel writing. The best written "VN" is probably Ace Attorney. The OG trilogy is very tightly written, much more so than the author's later works.
>>738497145>The best written "VN" is probably Ace Attorneypfft lol
>>738497145Fuck no. Ace Attorney might be amusing, but it's completely retarded.
>>738497145>The best written "VN" is probably Ace AttorneyRead more VNs. You clearly lack experience in the genre.
>>738496968I don't tend to think of story/dialogue choices as "gameplay" (which is somewhat pedantic of me) but I agree that sort of interactivity is good to have and one of the main reasons you'd make a VNThough I think even without interactivity, graphics and sound on their own can elevate the experience a lot. Like another anon in this thread mentioned, Saya no Uta only has 2 choices in the entire story but the visuals do a lot of heavy lifting to sell the main premise
>>738497176>>738497260Ace Attorney is the most critically acclaimed and popular VN series. There's a reason traditional ones like Ever17 remain obscure.
>>738497381>Ace Attorney is the most critically acclaimed and popular VN seriesLAUGHING MY BUTT OFF (LMBO)
>>738497381>Ace Attorney is the most critically acclaimed and popular VN seriesGet out of your bubble.
>>738497419>>738497462You realize Ace Attorney sold over 14 million copies, right? No other VN comes close.
>>738497603>appeal to popularityDid you buy a bigger shovel? To dig your hole deeper? LOL
>>738497603>replying to Danganronpa teens (actually now fully grown "adults")
>>738495638i said i'm not a mystery fan, as nebulous as that genre is, and umineko is so unbelievable bad i always find funny how their fans just slurp that slop up>>738496367sure, the bar is so extraordinarily low that anything just kinda enjoyable will be considered a masterpiece
>>738497754>if you don't like THIS megapopular VN, then you must like THAT megapopular VNYou are as embarrassing as the Ace Attorney newfag.
>>738497603You wanna play that card? Then the Fate IP made more money AND has more fans than Ace Attorney IP ever will see. TYPE-MOON is a juggernaut for a reason.
>>738497994Fate is popular for its worldbuilding, which is very good. Ace Attorney is popular for its games, which are very good. I don't understand why you're pretending players don't like AA. Is it just being contrarian?
>>738497176>>738497419i'd lower my tone if i was posting shit peice on a thread about well written media
>>738499062>well written media>LOLWACKY Ace AttorneyLMAOing @ your newfag life
>>738499564why am I not surprised that you didn't understand the post you just read
>>738490908It doesn't get much better than that desu. Turnabout Goodbyes is a classic. Trials & Tribulations is pretty good. Great Ace Attorney is actually a remarkable achievement in games writing.
>Great Ace Attorney is actually a remarkable achievement in games writing.Nintendo fans are the Disney adults of gaming.
>>738499708Why am I not surprised that you are new to 4chan and you constantly make personal assumptions instead of addressing the direct argument?
>>738500156I never said anything about ace attorney because /v/ is more than one person. This is a visual novel thread, and you're posting something with god awful writing. That's all.Now try replaying without saying newfag, if you know any more words that is
>>738500241>defending AA the entire thread>UHHH NO I HAVE NOTwhat a surprising example of newfag 'rhetoric'
>>738500350
>>738500437>random screencap of the threadYes, you are new to 4chan and can only communicate in unrelated non-sequiturs that would have your newfag ass laughed at in real life.
>>738500503holy ungodly retardation
>>738500593>ugh im new to 4chan and everybody who disagrees with me is RETARDEDYou will always be a 14-25 year old newfag nigger.
>>738500679Let us know when you discover what the (you) next to the post means, "oldfag"
>>738500747>pilpulsasuga
>>738496232t. rosa
What makes you guys like VNs? Genuinely curious
>>738490312mofucking BUMP
>>738501153The stories and characters.
>>738497381Retard, the post I replied to said:>The best written "VN" is probably Ace Attorney. The OG trilogy is very tightly written...Coming back at me with "critical acclaim and popularity" is not a counter. It's a non sequitur. Lots of people liking something doesn't make it well or tightly written. Critical acclaim doesn't make the extraordinary retardation of the supposed genius prosecutors more believable.And holy fuck, you could not appeal to a worse argument. Miller Lite is "popular;" would you argue it's a high quality beer? And as for mainstream critics, they are at best individuals, and very often they are extremely compromised individuals. Do you take someone's word seriously because they write for IGN or Polygon?
>>738497381ace attorney is not a VN. the fact that you claim it is announce to the world just how dumb your monkey brain is
>>738501153I find it's better at setting the mood and being immersive than anything else.
Scars of Summer
>>738501153I like long form stories because it gives you more chance to get invested in the plot and characters, but unlike a TV show you have more freedom to control the pace, let your imagine take over, sit back and sip some coffee, chill and let your mind wander during the slow parts etc
>>738501710Ace Attorney is both critically and commercially acclaimed. If that isn't proof of its quality, then what standard are you using?
>>738489978Song of Saya and Higurashi are the only good ones, so I'd say don't even bother.
>>738502537>appeal to popularityLMAOing @ your life
I was in the other recent VN thread. Why do people not like this DDLC VN?
>>738489978Same way you'd get into books
>>738489978Read Higurashi for one of the greatest love stories ever told
>>738504183Crack ship.
>>738495269BASED
>>738489978Listen to this anon >>738490723 and start reading Fate.>>738492000Nice digits, btw bullying and schizocore.
>>738489978majikoi or little busters is my recommendation.Euphoria is actually really good despite being known as a scat game which you can skip.
>>738490723hail the king
>>738497603meme game for normies....
>>738504340Canon ship.
>>738504585I love my King so much.
>>738504585>CondomSaber would never pass up that free mana fillup.
>>738504627What's the Japanese say? I'm guessing suki, in which case "love" is way too strong a word there, "like" would be much closer.
>>738504745She says Daisuki faggot how about you read the fucking VN
>>738504803I read it you nigger (like 10 years ago, in English). Daisuki is still different from "love" (ai suru).
>>738504803The burden of proof is on your shoulders. Post the jap screepshot.
>>738504902>Daisuki is still different from "love" (ai suru).Fucking pathetic cope holy shit, guess every other love confession that uses Daisuki just doesn't count now because you said so. Fuck off and die EOP pig>>738504908>L-LE BURDEN OF PROOFRead the VN secondary scum instead of squealing to be fed like a toddler
>>738505009Direct MTL of this exact text just for the extra cherry on top :)
>>738505009>Read the VN secondary scumBitch, I own the MangaGamer physical release.>>738505032No, show the raw jap text.
>>738505076>No, show the raw jap text....which I just posted right here >>738505009LMAO I would ask if you can fucking read but you've already shown that you can't
>>738505009"I loved you" sounds too mature for Satoko's character (as I said already, "ai suru" is a close analog). "Daisuki" is a cutesy expression and matches Satoko perfectly. "Really really like" would be one way to translate it, but "love" is a bad translation. Only if you don't care about nuance whatsoever.
>>738505140Yeah, that's my bad. It's midnight on my end and I'm sleepy, so I missed that post.
>>738490040saya was starts out great but then it turns into basically "the writer's barely disguised fetish" with all the misery porn
>>738505184>UHHHHHHHHH WHAT LE FUCK WHY ISN'T SATOKO BEING QUIRKY CHUNGUS IN THE SCENE WHERE SHE'S BUTT NAKED AND THINKS SHE'S ABOUT TO GET HER SKULL CAVED IN BY THE BOY SHE LOVES So I'm like actually talking to a secondary then? Go read Higurashi it's really good and then maybe we can have this talk :)>but "love" is a bad translation. Only if you don't care about nuance whatsoever.Yeah, Satoko is making her feelings very fucking clear in this scene dipshit as she believes she's about to be fucking murdered and in the scene previous to this she straight up tells Keiichi that she knew he could never be her Nii-Nii or replace Satoshi leading to THIS scene right here and the scene after where she tells him about the shrine shed. She is being very fucking clear about her feelings and what she's thinking, which is why I loved you is fine in this sentence and trying to say otherwise is pure fucking cope lmao
After I'm done with Higurashi, is it worth reading the third new game of the when they cry series? Ciconia or whatever.
>>738505229It's okay, it's late for me too and my head hurts I really should head to bed myself
>999 and VLR (DS)Fun escape room puzzles with choose your choices>Ghost Trick Phantom DetectiveClick things and solve physics-based puzzles>Danganronpa 1-V3Detective/death game with minigames>Persona 3-4Lengthy RPG dungeon crawling and social sim>Saya no UtaA short horror VN about mental illness>Steins;GateBoth comfy and creepy story about time travel>MuramasaA love letter to VNs with mecha-focused story and edgy rape>Utawararerumono (the original)Almost an isekai story about a boomer helping a medieval beast society prosper and wage war, with simple SRPG gameplay
>>738505345Kek, if you actually spoke Japanese at all you would know that even in that very scene she is continuing to speak in her extremely quirky Ojou-sama pattern. Stop reading MTL and pretending to be on a level above EOPs, you are at the exact same level of understanding.
>>738505528Nice to see that you've given up your hilarious pathetic cope that Satoko wasn't saying I LOVED YOU, maybe next time when you read the VN you can try to come up with another cope as to try to explain that scene away! Have fun squealing like a pig in the meanwhile anon!
>>738505360It's not even finished, read Rose Gun Days or Higanbana or something.
Play 2236 AD!
>>738504627>proceeds to push Keiichi off the bridge in an attempt to murder him.Wow. So this is true love?
I swear shipfaggotry hadn't ruined Higurashi prior to Sotsugyou, at least on 4chan. What the fuck happened?
>>738505650キャラの組み合いより、日本語の勉強はどう?楽しいよ
>>738505925Sotsugou happened. That's what. That shitass anime forever soiled Higurashi.
>>738505925A sequel so bad it permanently mind broke every Satokofag out there
>>738489978first you must acquire n1then you can read untranslated niijima yuu, the music cucker and savior of visual novels himself
>>738506026>>738506090It wasn't even that bad and people still seethe over it for some reason. Maybe people were always retarded and it just showed their true colors.
Nice b8
Any good incest vn, where the incest is actually well written and not just moe wish fulfillment shit?
>>738489978the only one Ive ever finished was fate stay/night, it was bretty gud
>>738506370Satoko started the looping shit again because she didn't want to fucking study, and the anime literally ended with Rika and Satoko having a DBZ fight. Higurashi Jumped the shark hard there.
>>738506561Higurashi jumped the shark when the scooby gang defeated a black ops team with Home Alone traps, don't pretend the series wasn't always kind of retarded and absurd. Dumb witch fights had also already been around since Umineko, Sotsugyou just brought it back to Higurashi.
>>738506904>Dumb witch fights had also already been around since Umineko, Sotsugyou just brought it back to Higurashi.That shit didn't need to be added to Higurashi in the first place.
>>738507016Too bad, the dumb witch shit was already established with Higurashi courtesy of Frederica, everything since then has just been an extension of that.
>>738506904It's Japan, they barely have a military. I've heard their police are extremely lazy and incompetent also. Is it that crazy if you take into account where the story actually takes place?
>>738507156Yes, it's pretty stupid considering it's actually supposed to be the part of the story that's grounded in reality, at least the retarded magic shit can be dismissed by virtue of being magic.
Omg STFU about higurashi already
>>738507354It's literally the OP pic.
>>738507491Yeah, but it seemed to be more of a thread about vns in general, and you guys talking so much without any spoiler tags is making me nervous.
Without HRT it cannot be seen.
i'm making a vn guys, please support memonetarily, of course
>>738497145Ace Attorney drops the ball constantly, like the whole ending of case 1-2 gets massive hate to this day
Why are there so many vn post here on /v/ and why are they so popular? They aren’t video games, at best they are poorly written picture books
>>738509820HRT didn't exist in 80's Japan.
>>738508041>spoiler tagsThe original VN is unironically older than the average /v/irgin these days.
