Now that OLED burn-in is a thing of the past, will you be buying an OLED TV for gaming?
>>738493715oleds expensive
>>738493715I use the same monitors for both work and gaming and I don't plan on changing that, so no. You still can't use OLED the same way you use an LCD monitor and I refuse to make any concessions.
>>738493715I've had my lcd for 24 years and it still is fine.
>>738493962Pixel refresh is a thing now, unc.
>>738494226Your LCD will never have true blacks and HDR. It's time to evolve.
Some poorfag is gonna be like "W-WELL I HAVE HAD MY TV FOR 20 YEARS!!!"
>>738494490I don't like blacks and don't need hdr
>>738494490A dumb TV isn't filled with unremovable ads, tracking and doesn't take screenshots and sends them to the manufacturer to show me even more ads.
>>738494590It's 2026 unc
>>738494590You don't have to connect the TV to the internet anon, it can't do shit without the connection.
>>738494653SAY MACDONALDS!
>>738494590>TV shows me ads >they’re for shows I sometimes want to watch I’m ok with this.
>>738494590Idiot.
>>738494462What part of no concessions did you not understand?
>>738494753Oh my God, stop being a little bitch.You can afford to stop gaming every 6 hours or so to do a 2 minute pixel refresh, for fucks sake.
>>738494713>Xe uses subscription servicesLMAO
oled is trash for usability true blacks are never accommodated in game design.adjusting brightness for games is trash on oledmost dark areas end up being unplayable tier blackness. whites end up being blinding and distracting because they don't design games for high end tvs oled is only good for high end 4k movieseverything else is better on lcd
Interesting that televisions are the one piece of technology that isn't skyrocketing in price because no one buys them anymore except boomers. I have a 50 inch LCD that I bought in 2012 that cost $1500 that same price today would be $250 and they never fly off the shelves. Even console owners will buy expensive computer monitors to play their fifa and cod because of their faster refresh rate.
>>738494792faggot that shit is forced on you with no way to stop it you could be in the middle of a ranked game and it tells you in 1 minute it will start the bullshit refresh and no way to delay or cancel itand the monitor tech is so shit it never does it when its sitting there 8+ hours while youre sleeping it waits until your using it
>>738494949Just have it refresh when you go pee or somethingOh my GodYou're being such a little bitch I'm actually feeling personally insulted
No one wants a shitty smart TV you pay $8,000.00 so you have ads, have to pay a subscription service and have some AI agent serve you ads too, with the specs of a $250.00 budget monitor. Just get a monitor with actual respectable quality.
>>738494792I can afford to use a monitor that does not have this restriction.
>>738494826Why do you lie?
>>738493715I want to get an OLED tv and a better sound system does anyone have any experience with anything good?I can’t be bothered to do loads of research into receivers and have to buy separate speakers and all that shit and I’m not spending thousands either, I was looking at a premade sony sound system
>>738495123Don't buy a TV, just buy >>738495050 instead.
>>738494826lol no
>>738495170Lmao are you retarded
>>738495170Ok but TV or monitor aside it’s the speakers I’m mainly looking for opinions on
>>738493715made the switch years ago and now all my devices are oled >oled tv >oled monitor>oled steam deck>oled phone
I bought an s90c with my first paychecks ages agoDid I fuck up
>>738494949never happened on any of my oleds lmao.
>>738495050what are you babbling about, just don't connect the tv to the internet if you don't want to use the smart crap.tvs have way better hdr and higher peak brightness than monitors, and ofc screen size. monitors have higher refresh rates. but you should have both anyway, tv for controller games and monitor for mouse games.
>>738493715>no longer an issue>have to perform constant humiliation rituals
>>738494875Yeah it's why I use a C5.
>>738493715Burn-in is still a thing and there is no way of avoiding it. All the modern oleds do is intentionally burn in other parts of the monitor to match the parts that got burnt in during use
>tv notices static UI elements have been on the screen for too long>starts playing an ad to remedy that problem thanks new TV. no more worrying about burn in from this guy.
>>738494713>>TV shows me ads >I’m ok with this.Literally subhuman goycattle. I can just tell you have no foreskin.
>>738495321Wut new switch isn't oled
bought a c9 lg oled in 2019. It's still good, no visible burn in
>>738493715Already did in late 2022. Been using it 8-ish hours a day and no burn-in. 48" OLED monitor from LG. Even on full gray screen, nothing. 8,900-ish powered on hours.
>>738496213Also I have had pixel shift off since day one. Only auto-hide taskbar.
>AI ThinQI have a feeling I should buy a TV this year to future-proof myself against all the crap that will be shoved into TVs to make them even worse.
>>738495382>>738495076>>738495173yes its true and ive had oleds far longer than youthey arent worth it at all. my asus lcd is superior in all ways. the highest end screens are always high end lcds not oleds
>>738493715No im buying another miniled monitor
>people talking about 4K 50inch OLED TVs>mfw gaming on 720p 32inch LCD TVim just a guy who likes vidya unlike graphics fags
pssst, read this and learn something.>https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/comparing-oled-and-lcd-brightness-and-exploring-samsung-displays-truebright-certification
>>738493715AMAZING 24 MONTHS (aka 2 years) WITHOUT BURN-INCall me if they can get to 10 years.
>>738496604if you like vidya why not play them at a higher quality
>>738496295They've been beyond saving for 8 years now. Just don't connect them to the internet.
>>738496428big cope. enjoy backlight bleed and ips glow.
>>738496428I have an LG C6 from 2016 in my bedroom hanging on the wall. 55" back before they were WOLED and just OLED with a normal RGB stripe array. No permanent image retention at all. You're poor lmfao.
>>738496076You’re correct. I can also guarantee that my disfigured penis has seen more use than yours has. What this has to do with the non-invasive advertisements on my TV is a connection I’m struggling to make.
PSA If you're interested in OLED TVs you should buy an OLED now. The new tandem panels have serious screen uniformity problems that appear mostly in video games.
>>738496428lol no
>>738496831Yeah, I've heard of things like that. I just have a dumb TV from like 2008 and it works well enough, but I could do for a larger one. Guess I could see if there's some brands out there that you can jailbreak or whatever the term would be to make it less shitty of an experience, if possible.
I'd rather not risk it and stick to IPS, I'm currently looking into buying a second monitor.
>>738493715Had a C1, have a G4. The OLED TVs are swell to look at, but I'm not buying another one of these until burn-in is completely eliminated. C1 had gotten some burn in and I had to kick it to the curb. I'm not getting a 3rd one for it to have the same problem.
>>738497995I was gonna ask how someone burns a gay sex with hats on image into their screen but I realised that is a foolish question to ask.
omg 24 months without burn in, that's incredible
>>738493715>OLED burn-in is a thing of the past,I don't trust this
>>738495074You will never see true blacks
>>738493715Even if it have burn in I rather use a burnt in oled monitor than an ips monitor
SmartTVbros.....
>>738497613No, you just don't connect them to the internet. You could buy a 30,000 dollar TV and it will be an infinitely inferior experience to just connecting a 30 dollar roku or 100 dollar compute stick with linux installed. I have a miniPC (8845HS with 64GB of RAM and 8TB of SSD storage) attached to my 65" LG OLED C5 which is NOT connected to the internet because I'm not a complete fucking retard. ALL modern TVs for the last 6 years minimum (based on court documents from the last couple dozen lawsuits) are recording what you view on your TV, recording and trasncribing your voice, using motion detection to see how many people are watching, collecting information about your home network with SNMP/WMIC/other remote sniffing calls, identifying you, your habits, sniffing local traffic on your network to identify browsing habits, building a profile on you and selling that data.I don't care how convenient watching Netflix-slop is on your (((smart))) TV. DO NOT CONNECT YOUR TV TO THE MOTHERFUCKING INTERNET GOY!
>>738495731Literal schizo rambling
>>738496213>>738496273>8 hours a dayYou barely use your TV, no shit you don't have burn-in
>24 months without burn-in is an amazing achievement for OLEDHello?
>>738496604Console baby?
>>738497124What OLED panel do I buy?Matte?Glossy?Samsung?OLED?QD-OLED?Q-LED?There's so many options
>>738499459Ahh I'm talking to a child. I see. You have to be 18 to post here anon. How are you exceeding 8 hours a day on average when you have school to go to young man? Adults have jobs. There are 24 hours in a day. 8 hours of on time, 8 hours of work, 1 hour of commute, and the rest is sleeping/bathing/eating. That's pretty much max usage time for non-worthless-deadweight-gibsmedat-nogod-nonworking-niggers.
>>738498183Chances are your precious LCD start bleeding and failing around the same time
>>738499583WOLED or Tandem OLED, matte coating, LG Display produced panel, vendor brand on the monitor/TV doesn't matter beyond that.
>>738499601I'm 35 and I work from home16 hours a day is the bare minimum for me
So what's the actual mechanical process to preventing burn-in?
>>738499601>he didn't get a WFH jewish daycare jobYou're missing out
>>738493715It's not a thing of the past so no
>>738499686I do work from home. I just work while I'm on the clock. I use a TV sometimes in my office. But my gaming OLED display isn't in use during that time. My home office OLED is.
>>738499672treating the TV like a baby
No, OLED sucks with the ABL. Mini-LED is much better.
>>738499819I mean what makes one type of LED more or less resistant to burn-in
>>738494713good goy
>>738499352Geg that's cucked
>>738499663You know what's not a thing of the past?Pic related
>>738499687See >>738499925
>no burn in>the whole panel gradually gets dimmer insteadgreat fix you got there
>>738499962turn up the brightnessidiot
>>738499352> He doesn't want to watch some baseball while resting at bonfire.
>>738500004>make it get dimmer fasterlol ok
Oled is the most jeet shilled garbage on this mossad run site even moreso than aprol jankAll oleds use pwm for brightness control and it makes your eyes look like they're bleeding
>>738499672I use my TV like a computer monitor with zero special care and zero burn-in. OLED has been used on basically every phone for over a decade with no mass burn-in epidemic. It's actually not an issue unless you're buying a TV for a waiting lobby to blast CNN 24/7.
>>738499352Sony tv don't have this problem.It's samsung the one that pushes ads everywhere.
>>738493715I don't care enough about color accuracy to spend extra money on this. I enable colorblind options for fun.
>>738493715How did they solve it? I want an OLED but I don't want to deal with burn in bullshit.
>>738500143OLED is not about color accuracy It's about true blacks and amazing HDR
>>738500173>How did they solve it?They didn't. Burn-in is still a thing
>>738500180I don't like blacks, sorry.
>>738500217OH MY GOD THE SAME JOKE LIKE 5 TIMES IN THIS THREADGROW THE FUCK UP
what the fuck is an ai tv
>>738500236The older I get the more I don't like blacks.
>>738493715>Now that OLED burn-in is a thing of the pastYou say this every few months and it's never true.
>>738493715Im waiting for QDEL. If they ever make a 4:3 oled then i might consider it but until then i dont really care for it. Meme tech that is the definition of sunk cost fallacy.
>>738495516> The only reason to buy a "TV" instead of a "screen" is to connect it to the Internet to watch Youtube and Netflix.> "Just don't connect it to the Internet".Nah, I just won't buy one.
>>738500243A fancy way of saying "your TV is recording literally everything you do to send to the manufacturer so they can sell your data and show you customized ads".
>>738493715Nice TV chudsan.. It would be a shame if something... happened to it.. hmm?
>>738500370Just don't connect it to the internet? Hello?
>>738500398I don't get it.
My Samsung S90F just got here last week. Shits great.
TVs are dirt cheap, they made the OLED scam so you have to rebuy a new one every other year cause it gets burn-in to shit.
>>738493715>go on r/oled>its nothing but tech support instead of people showing off their tvs and discussing how great they arefantastic tech youve got there.
>>738500589>r/oledR*dditors are retarded and don't know how to take care of their OLEDs
>>738500514That guy is a Samsung technician and he's cutting the customer's TV to void his warranty. He only got caught because the owner had hidden cameras.
>>738500519>S90F>QD-OLEDBWAHAHAHAHAHA
>>738500589This is why reddit will always be a money pit, 99% of people don't actually engage with the site/ads, they just click a google link for one post then close the tab.
>>738500640Fakest shit ever.No way that is true.
>>738493962>>738494826I'm pretty sure anything sold as a "TV" just isn't meant for being looked at from up close, like you do with a computer screen.
>>738500398>>738500640I'm watching the video now. Fakest shit ever. Worst actor ever.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyWlACuhqNgOutrage clickbait bullshit.
>>738493715>AMAZING 24+ MONTHS WITHOUT BURN-INI use my monitors a lot longer than 24 months
>>738500835Well you shouldn'tIf you have a job you should be buying a new one every 18 months or so
>>738500690It was a big story a couple years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyWlACuhqNg
>>738500612youre right but that doesnt dismiss the fact that OLED is a shitty technology. you shouldnt need to worry about taking care of a tv/monitor.
For me it's g-sync pulsar, the modern equivalent of a CRT monitor.
>>738499938Burn is the worst one
>>738500861I sense jewish tricks around...
>>738493715>amazing 24 months without burn-inI expect a television to work correctly for a fuck of a lot longer than two years.
>>738493715my 7 year old oled doesnt have visible burn inretards who watch cnn 24/7 at max brightness must be the only ones affected
>>738493715I'm Indian. I can't redeem OLED.
>>738499352i never take my TV online.but if i did i would look through all menus twice to turn off as much as i can. including the ones that i think is irrelevant because they try to hide shit.also search for the hidden service menu. i used it to disable the LG logo that otherwise appeared when i turn off the TV.most important thing to turn off ishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_content_recognition>tl;dr smart tvs take screenshots of what you display every X sec and send it off to their servers
>>738493715WOW, your $5,000 TV lasted 2 whole entire years without destroying itself? wowowowowowow. FUCK YOU STUPID CONSUMER FAGGOTS
>>738501281>doesnt have visible burn inDoes it have invisible bur in?
>>738500173probably using techniques like pixels being shifted a bit every now and then and dimming detected static content
I have a 77inch LG CX, it's like 6 years old now. Still looks great.
It's still an issue but can be mitigated and if you're not a poorfag every OLED issue is less and less of a problem every year. And you won't do better for image quality or response times, you just won't. Also there's now OLED monitors that cost as much as IPS or miniled's so it's not even a big deal
>>738500869To play devil's advocate, technicians are more likely to be contractors, rather than manufacturer's employees. I guess Rossman as usual is trying to make a point that "authorized" technicians are as much scum as all others, which is true of course.
>>738502064Crazy thing is why do that at all? If he's not an employee for the company, why does he care if Samsung has to give this guy a new TV? Why risk getting jail time over it?
>>738493715is the vrr flicker still a thing? because fuck that
>>738493715I bought a Bravia 9 Mini LED, price is dipping before the new model launchThis thing fucks. Oled is great but this thing is fucking mint in a bright room. Fuck Sony for going with android/google TV though. I hate the Smart TV bullshit forced into every corner of this market just to make sure you have the latest firmware updates, because they apparently fucking matter
>>738501159Did you not read the OP?Nowadays you can go 24 months without burn-in issues
>>738501570You're Indian
>>738494590>You don't understand!>I HAD to connect it to the wifi!
>>738502296Who knows, some people just cannot help but be scumbags.
>>738502783I would expect a TV to last 20 years, not 2
>>738502965You're greedy
>>738502965>is ok with upgrading his GPU every 2 years>isn't ok with upgrading his TV every 2 yearsHello?
>>738502965My Samsung Series 5 LCD TV has been going strong for pretty much 15 years, meanwhile people are trying to convince me to buy an OLED that might not get burn-in for the next two years if I treat it like it's made of fragile crystal and only use it four hours per day.
>>738503117My CRT TV last over 20 years. It was the norm back then.>>738503137My GTX1080 is almost 10 years old, I expect everything I buy to last a very long time.
>>738494490stop trying to cram blacks down our throats
>>738503285>GTX1080Fuck off.You're killing gaming. You do not play modern AAA's and you have never even seen HDR.You're missing out.
>>738503341>modern AAA'sOk homo
>>738499583glossy woled for tv glossy qd oled for monitor
>>738493715he looks like a monkey
>>738503341>NONONO STOP BEING HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU HAVE YOU MUST CONSOOOOM PLEASE WASTE MONEY ON THINGS YOU DONT NEEDi will never not enjoy oled threads because they bring out the brownest of the brown on /v/
>>738502351only if you play games at 50fps or lower
>>738493715>24 months without burn in>because it's still in the box
>>738500103chink brands like TCL are also doing it now
even if it has burn in which it doesn't I'd rather have a better picture
>>738503748TCL has a 24/7 COPS tv channel playing clips from COPS.
>>738493715>4 year old lg c1 55>no burn init just works. if i get another 4 years out of it I'll be happy and upgrade.
You'll note that OLED is only being pushed to idiot westerners.In SEA, MiniLED is considered better technology, costs a little more than OLED and there are lots of displays to choose from.West isn't allowed to have good MiniLED displays, since they're the whale pay-piggu who can buy the broken OLED.
>>738503137How are you?Have you been alright?
>>738503137>is ok with upgrading his GPU every 2 yearswhat brain defect makes people turn to strawmen like this? i had a 1660 up until about 5 months ago. I wouldve kept it longer if i didnt like vr as much
>>738504104They consoom, as must you.
>>738493715Wow a whole 24 months before I have to buy another? Amazing.Fuck you, shill.
>>738503341If gaming is being killed by not playing the complete slop that passes for AAA these days, it deserves to die.
>>738494226>>738494538You have to try a OLED dude, I am not one for gushing over the new thing, but it really does look better especially if you're big on horror games, or anything with a dark environment. >>738494590Yeah don't get one with any of that nonsense. Just don't cheap out on the ports you want as many as possible. >>738494653Stating the current year does not justify bad practices. >>738494713Advertisements on smart TVs should be grounds for state executions. A man chooses. >>738495050You can get a large OLED TV without all that nonsense. They're rarer, but out there.
>me all the way up to 36 years old: I must cling to and protect hardware for as long as possible to avoid wasting money >me 37 and up: I'm going to die someday and none of this shit can last forever anyways so fuck it burn that shit into the groundI stagnated on a 1080 Ti for almost 6 years before upgrading to a 4090. Then I upgraded to a 5090. The idea of wasting the most precious years of my life when my reflexes and eye sight are still good by stagnating with the things I enjoy terrifies the fuck out of me. Seriously you don't understand how precious your time here is. One day you're going to be old and not give a fuck about this anymore if you're even lucky, worst case you die tomorrow. What good would spending your time actively avoiding enjoying today because of problems that MIGHT happen tomorrow be? Fuck that live it up get new things genuinely consume because you can't take any of this shit where we're going and it's all made of matter that degrades no matter what you do so who fucking cares.
>>738494696Manufacturers co-operate with each other, if your phone is connected, TV can connect to it without your permissions and use that connection.Google and others will do anything to sell your data unnoticed.
>>738504554hi moshe, suck any baby dicks today?
Let me know when i can get an OLED monitor that can last me 5+ years without burn-in that doesn't require me to do some gay shit like auto-hiding the task bar or utilizing some annoying flicker shit
>>738493715>OLED burn-in is a thing of the pastThey still do have burn in dumbass
>>738495813ass of truth.
>>738493715Honestly no, i've had a big ass Oled for awhile now and while it IS awesome, the screen and picture is just too dark. I'm getting me a QLED next tv, just personal preference.
>buying a TV made after 2010no i don't want my monitor to spy on me
>>738494538Based
>>738495516SmartTV will always attempt to connect to free Wifi 24/7 so if somehow theres some person who accidentally turn on his wifi without password, youre fucked
>>738504554>can't take any of this shit where we're goingWe're not all going to the same place, jew. You'll be going to hell.
>>738493962>ou still can't use OLED the same way you use an LCD monitorIn what way?
>>738493715They do, but with the new tech they got the burn in is just spread out basically and ends up making the whole screen dimmer over time.But honestly it's not that big of a deal, by the time it'd really be noticeable you'd have lightbanding or dead pixels or some shit on an LCD monitor
>>738494590Firewall rules in router.My LG only see 192.168.1.x for local storage of NAS, videos of my security camera and Emby. I have this tv because I need a screen with lots of HDMI ports
>>738493715Sony already has better tech than OLED coming this year
>>738493715>Now that OLED burn-in is a thing of the pastBurn-in will literally always happen. You can postpone it a couple of years, but it will always happen eventually. You can't change the laws of nature.
>>738493765It's also worth it though. >>738494590Don't connect it to the internet. Set up rules in your router.
>>738494538>I don't like blacksbased
OLEDs have other issues besides burn in that I refuse to compromise onMainly VRR flicker and aggressive ABL
>>738493715I'm not buying a new TV until my current one dies or if PS6 finally has 4k at 120fps as default for all games.
The brown teenagers of /v/ have been telling me my cpu would melt, my gpu would burst into flames and my oled monitor+tv would burn-in for years now. I'm still waiting.
>he fell for the OLED memethanks for funding MicroLED research, I guess
>>738493715>OLED burn-in is a thing of the pastYou can't get rid of OLED burn-in.>>738500173>How did they solve it?By reducing the brightness of the whole panel so the burn-in is invisible. But it's still there.
Is ips black any good?Heard there's some new/better ips black 2.0 coming out later this year. Maybe that's the move for a monitor
>>738511410>later this year"just wait" seems to be the only move for years now. microled fucking NEVER
>>738502783My IPS monitor will last atleast a decade and thats makes it better than any OLED
>>738496831>Just don't connect them to the internet.I physically removed the wifi card in my hisense when they proved it was trying to connect to open wifi of its own accord.Fuck that shit.
>>738493715>entire screen keeps moving by 1 pixelMissed me with that gay shit.
>>738493715I already have a 42" LG C3 and I have buyer's remorse because it only does 120hz and I can't justify to myself buying an inferior screen to get higher refresh rate.
>>738506489He's paranoid about burn-in. It's a reasonable concern if you don't take safety measures like hiding desktop icons and setting your taskbar to auto-hide. As long as you do that you won't have any problems though. I've had my OLED for 3 years with no sign of burn-in at all despite using it like 12+ hours a day almost every day.
>>738496428>the highest end screens are always high end lcdsinsane poorfag cope, hate OLED downsides all you want but they objectively have the best image you can get
>>738511410Yes it's pretty good, especially during the day, but in a dark room it's still IPS. I don't have any experience with the 3000:1 contrast ratio monitors, but don't forget that you can either lower the minimum brightness or raise the peak brightness to get a higher static contrast and I think they're just brighter.
>>738493715>OLED burn-inwhy was this ever a thing?are screensavers a lost technology?
>>738500173The pixels on an OLED display shift around slightly every now and then.They also have a refresh that runs while the display is off that helps prevent it.But oled burn in is still very real.
>>738494490I still barely see what the point of HDR is to this day, but once you have known true blacks you can't go back unless your shit busted and you were forced to.True Blacks is a night and day difference.
>>738511410Here's a dark scene in a dim environment for reference.
>>738499352No fucking way.They won't even let you play a game without this radical bullshit popping up?
>>738493715this guy is the only immigrant I like
>>738493715>tvNow do one for a gaming monitor where static visuals are common.
>>738499171Good
>>738511903>hide taskbar / desktop iconsI never understood this advice. If you are doing productivity / browser on your monitor then you will have a bunch of static elements anyway. If you are playing games all day you will have static hud elements anyway. As for the desktop icons, who is looking at his desktop all day?
>>738493715Im waiting til VR headsets are good enough to completely replace monitors. Until then, Im sticking with 1080p 60fps.
>>738511410get a mini-led
>>738511948Oled uses organic material to produce light. Every oled is made from three (RGB) or four (WRGB) organic leds. These will die/fade with time from usage. What people call "burn-in" (left from the CRT era of the beam burning out phosphor) is actually burn out. On Oled if you display the same image/color on some pixels for a longer period of time those pixels will die / fade faster than the pixels you don't work as much. Screensavers don't help with this because the organic material will age no matter what. The meme answer of Oled is to use "varied content" aka watch completely different content on the screen all the time which evens the wear and avoids any spot getting used up faster.Basically if you have static elements on your screen like subtitles, channel logos, information bars, all kind of huds in video games - those are wearing out the related pixel colors at the exact same spots on the screen. Which is a problem because it is almost impossible to watch content by the meme guidelines. Even the black bars at the bottom and the top of movie content are bad because Oled turns off black pixels completely which means wear will be very uneven.
>>738493715>OLEDMy grand consoomer journey of endlessly swapping screens ended in not giving a shit beyond having <=1 ms response time.
>>738494462>lmao just stop using your monitor for 7 minutes every 4 hours
>>738493715How have they mitigated burn-in?
after getting an OLED TV and monitor, I can safely say that for games, a top-end LED monitor is like 95% as good for half the price. the really good LED panels have very low amounts of backlight bleed and perfect color accuracy.
>>738503885>In SEA
>>738513686why does he have a nipple on his top lip
>>738513454The casuals and normalfags that have infested this board will tell you you shouldn't be gaming for 4 hours straight.
>>738512772The static elements won't be there exactly the same 24/7. I rarely ever maximize windows on my huge screen so they're never in the exact same place twice.
>>738493715What oled should I buy for watching porn at my goonstation
>>738513760you can do whatever but the real bottom line is you shouldn't be sitting down for 4 hours straight
>>738513826You shouldn't be a faggot yet here we are.
>>738494949>your fucking MONITOR of all things does the windows "it's not your pc now sweaty we decide who owns this machine for your (our) own good :)"Genuinely disgusting.
>>738503885MiniLED is just a slightly better backlight, it doesn't solve any of the fundamental problems with LCD panels and introduces its own problems such as blooming around small, bright elements like a mouse cursor. OLED is the best technology we have right now whether you like it or not. And burn in is just one failure mode, most LCDs are so shit these days they'll fail in 5 years anyway even if the panel is perfectly fine.People act like an OLED TV costs a lot of money, but that's because they're fucking zoomers, a comparable mid to high-range CRT was even more expensive when that was all we could get.
>>738514107I spent the last month binging starsector 8 to 12 hours a day. OLED trash wouldn't last a year in the hands of a proper gamer.
>>738513795Status bars and scroll bars, icons are generally the same on every single window of the same software. How do you move that around without it not being on the screen for a long period of time? Even if you browse in full screen the scroll bar is there. With Oled it isn't just 24/7 because keeping the same content on the screen for 24 hours is almost the same as keeping it for one hour for 24 days.
>>738514207You don't understand, burn in is not the only way a TV will degrade and that if you get some form of LCD it won't degrade or fail in another, more catastrophic way:https://youtu.be/ot1gr-YypY4
>>738493715I bought one in 2019
>>738494226>lcdlcd was never fine, it was always ass
>>738514357My dell LCD has been working without issue for 10 years now. You're a fucking moron. Dumb frogposting nigger.
>>738499352/thread
>>738514357
>>738511960>I still barely see what the point of HDR is to this dayIt's so that bright stuff is able to actually get bright without being tonemapped into a muddy, desaturated mess with all the dazzle and glamor of a word document.
>>738514427Well good for you and your one Dell monitor, but I was talking about TVs you fucking illiterate retard. For the record my OLED laptop that I use for work doesn't have any burn-in after 2.5 years of daily use. >>738514736>I'll attack the messenger instead of the message. When your TV's backlight fails or the layers delaminate don't say I didn't warn you.
>>738493715Only way my household is getting an OLED TV is pretty much to replace the living room television that's a decade out of date, lost the remotes, and is having problems even turning on half the time now. I got a Sony Bravia a couple years ago, no way in hell I'm getting a new TV any time in the present myself.
>>738493715No, TVs have shit input lag. They're not meant to be monitors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVcTeXdZjV44000 NITS BRIGHTNESS AND COLOUR ACCURACY THAT IS CLOSER TO USD $30,000 MASTERING MONITOROLED BURN-IN CUC_KS BTFO
>>738514963even my 11 year old tv got a gaming mode
>>738514887>but I was talking about TVsYou're on /v/ - video games, not /tv/ - television & film you retarded window licking consolefaggot.
>>738515147Read the sentence again until you understand that what you replied doesn't change anything about it.
>>738514963At some point they started paying attention to input lag, modern TVs even get a signal from your PC/Console to switch to game mode/low latency mode automatically. >>738515147Doesn't mean it was any good though, my 2012 Panasonic has around 40ms input lag in Game mode, which is still better than the 120ms lag in cinema mode.>>738515240Stop embarrassing yourself already
Are there any CRT monitors or tvs that take HDMI?
>>738494226Anon, a near gen 1 lcd was never fine.My 6 year old oled is still perfect(own 3)Come one, make fun of the fact I have more money then you, see if it stings
Already been using one for 4 years already and I can't buy a new one because they're all inferior.I hate the whole tech industry.
>>738514963retard.
>>738513679No. The only possible way an LCD can beat an Oled is if it has strobing or Pulsar, if you consider an LCD and Oled that don't, and are both sample and hold blurry shit, then the Oled wins 100% no matter what the price. It is PARTICULARLY STUPID to spend extra for a better LCD. The cheapest Oled monitor or TV you can find completely destroy them no matter what. Unless you're one of these wierdos stupid fucks who insist on having 300+ nits in sdr (which some oleds can reach now)But it is true that pic related is by far the biggest factor and it's not related to panel type. The few Oled panels with this tech destroys everything that exists (the LG C1 is the goat) but they're too rare and burn in is still a risk, so I would go for Pulsar instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MnI1x35H1QNVIDIA PULSAR GODS DESTROYS OLED BURN-IN CUC_KS
>>738516207Very nice, now let's see CRT's motion clarity
>>738499601>I'm goycattle and proudMan this board has really gone to shit
My TCL MiniLED looks pitch black, why would I spend more money for an OLED?
>>738513283oh I seethanks for explaining
>>738494949>no way to stop itWhat yes you can lmao
>>738516365>CRTard
>>738493715Burn in an eventuality, it's still a problem that will eventually happen on OLED displaysHowever that depends on what you give a shit about. Personally I can afford it, I'd take 3 years of good display vs. 15 of dogshit display. I don't cuck myself purely to durability. Almost every single display I upgraded from in about 15 years hasn't died at all, that's not the reason I upgrade. Also that amount of time is enough for improved displays to come out (higher nits without ABL, higher resolutions, higher refresh rates and general improvements on what people usually have trouble with like subpixel layouts and flickering)
>>738499352>people think this is realyou are all poor and it shows
>>738518838>chromatic aberrationMY EYES
>>738518589I have a TCL 50Q7C and it's absolute dogshit with a lot of blooming.
>>738513454More like 3 times in 3 years and it does it after you've turned it off retard
>>738499352
Why is it every time there's new display tech people start freaking out over burn in like it's unique to that particular technology?It's literally something that has plagued every single type of display. CRT had burn in. Plasma had burn in. LCD had burn in. They're all going to have it.Except in the real world it's something that pretty much never manifests. You practically have to go out of your way to make it happen.
Imagine being an LCD poorfagthay can't even see the difference in the webm lmao
>>738514963It's no longer 2010s
>>738519089it's not 2021 either :^)
>>738518876Burn in doesn't even look as bad as ips glow out of the box lmaoLike people merely mention oled exists and you get a bunch of shills running out of the woodwork acting like you kicked their dog what gives
>>738518986ARR ROOK SAME
>>738518967It's more prevalent on OLED displays, but you have to understand that there are 1. Competing display technologies, not just one above the rest, so flaws will always be highlighted harshly by people with a vested interest in promoting theirs2. People who cannot afford these types of newer display technology and the best way to cope with it is to convince themselves that what they have is better3. People who eagerly invest in these technologies the moment they're available to the public and experience the biggest amount of issues with it because of it and get burned (they also paid more for it) instead of just waiting until technology is perfected, and determine that the dogshit they experienced is just how it is and will always be
My LG C1 is getting pretty old now, no burn in, no dead pixels.
>>738493765/thread
>>738519112Yeah, I'm using a pretty decent philips IPS (170hz) alongside my main OLED monitor I had for around 2 years and the glow will always haunt me when I'm watching a stream on the side or whatever, but if there's any burn in I'm practically unable to find it on my OLED monitor. If I have to actually test my monitor for burn in to find out that I have it perhaps it's an overblown problem.
>>738518967I've only ever had burn in with OLED displays.
Still waiting for my old as shit fo48u to burn in(it's been 4 years)
Quick reminder. Last chance to buy a real Panasonic OLED before they switch with chink tecno
>>738519505I'm not falling for fomo bullshit
Best 1080p monitors to get?
>>738493715>no burn-in after 24 monthsI used my last monitor for 12 years
>>738519723So either you had an extremely premium monitor aka had the money but were too stupid to spring for the better experience or you're poor as fuck and used some trash 1080p/60 monitor for years because you're a pig in shit and don't know the difference.
>>738493715If you can afford an OLED TV/Monitor you can afford a VR headset like the Bigscreen.
>>738519779>but were too stupid to spring for the better experience? don't tell me what I need jew
>ZE PIXELS SHIFT!I love science, btw.
What is the most likely to happen?>VA gets fast enough>IPS gets good contrast and decent backlight uniformity>OLED gets cheap and durable
>>738503341>AAA'sfucking kill yourself
>>738514107>OLED is the best technology we have right now whether you like it or not.I mean, if money isn't a question, there is also the microled, but we're likely decades before and if they go at a reasonable price.
>they think LCDs don't degrade
>>738515129>MASTERING MONITORjust stop, it's good but this is embarrassing to say. a mastering monitor isn't just nit brightness or color accuracy.
>>738493715>there are unironically people in this thread with 4090s or better outputting through some dog shit LCD monstrosity.Lol
All of you ultrafaggots should just get Samsung QLEDS's (not to be confused with QD OLED) - OLED technology with LCD backlight, they sacrifice pixel perfect lighting for a slight bleed but have no risk of burn out whatsoever.
>>738521220not worth it, it's really easy to set up basic precautions against burn in
"perfect blacks" they said
Its very worth it if you are upgrading from an LCD (and are unsure because of burn in), the jump in quality is huge and the quality of the image is just a slight step down from OLEDs.
>>738521220QLED are budget LCDs they are not the same as OLED. Not the same response time or per pixel control.
>>738521749If you can afford an OLED then you can afford curtains There's a reason cinemas use pitch black rooms
>>738521804Meant for >>738521575
>>738521842II don't want to sit in a pitch black room...
>>738521804The main reason to go OLED is the 0.03ms response time without DSC. LCDs are doing 1-5ms and with DSC ontop that's another 1.5-2ms.
>>738521839>QLED are budget LCDsThis is simply false.
>>738520337Only defective ones do. You can get LCDs that do not degrade at all, and I've had multiple monitors that have lasted decades.
>>738521924*AHEM*
>>738521924All LCDs are budget until they can hit the same GTG as OLED.
>>738521749There's no good black when you let the sun shine upon your fucking monitor, even with strong image degrading AG filters
>>738493715my 12 years old screen isn't broken.if it ain't broke, why fix it ?
>>738522046I expect the screen's coating to absorb the light, just like some specialized black paint does it.
>>738522143Call me when any display does that
>>738521749>OLED is le bad because direct sunlight
>>738522108But why continue using your crusty old ANCIENT tech when you can throw it into a landfill and get the SHINY NEW stuff that has marginal improvements?
>>738521953>not pictured: the agony of staring at a max brightness screen a completely dark room
>>738522549>anon would rather set up everything to minimize burn in, like auto hide task bar, move windows every few minutes or insanely fast screensaver over setting up the middle ground brightness or manually adjust it when needed
>>738519089There has been no relative change between monitors and TVs.
>>738522526>marginal improvementsWhat causes people to cope like this? I don't think it's about money, nobody's telling you to go out and buy a 5090 or something, even a 300 dollar/euro monitor BTFOs anything made 12 years ago. And I know because I have a high end monitor from that time (Dell U2413).
>>738522695TVs in PC/gaming mode offer the same input lag as monitors, while TVs have higher quality control
>>738522143How would the light from the image come through then, anon?
>>738522761>TVs in PC/gaming mode offer the same input lag as monitorsMonitors from 2010 maybe>higher quality controlNope
>a thing of the past Every oled I've ever owned from tv to phone has got burn in after a year or two. Nobody in their right mind will buy tech that literally has planned obsolescence either through burn in or the blue pixel degrading because it uses degradable organic material. Either get LCD or wait till micro led is mass market ready because it's oled but without the downsides.
>>738522652>auto hide task bar,done in 10 seconds>insanely fast screensaverdone in 10 seconds>move windows every few minutesyou can have two monitors, you know? a basic bitch 1080p60 sub $100 va can handle everything you would not want to use an oled fori'll add you more easy ones too>closing the curtain and lowering brightnessdone in 10 seconds>selecting dark modedone in 10 secondsOLED maintenance is the easiest shit ever
>>738522716>What causes people to cope like this?Because it's fucking true.HDR is a meme. True Black is a REALLY big meme. I have both a high end MiniLED and an OLED and neither of them are worth the price. They're nice and depending on whether or not you watch a lot of bright content or dark content, you should get one or the other when your old one kicks it, but neither are worth it if you have something good even from a decade ago.
>>738522818>Monitors from 2010 maybeYou clearly don't understand the term input lag.What you're thinking about is most likely the response time, since you're almost guaranteed to be comparing IPS monitors (that have absolute garbage contrast and backlight bleed) to VA TVs (which are getting progressively faster and you're almost guaranteed to have less severe backlight bleed than with IPS display)
>>738522945>you need to adapt to technology for it not to be absolute garbageAt this point you're becoming the slave to the technology
>>738522994>you're a slave because you're using a screwdriver and an impact driver differently
>>738522949Sure
>>738523045For pretty much every single PC user the task bar is the mandatory part of the experience.
>>738521749Just an issue with first Gen qd-oled we're on like 5 now
>>738522945too much work
>>738521953Brighter but colors more washed out plus blooming
Fuck whoever decided to force matte displays for monitors, so much that glossy became an extreme niche
>>738523087the taskbar does absolutely fucking nothing and wastes screen space 99.9% of the time, if you want it you can swipe your mouse down or press the super key in a split secondi've auto hidden it long before getting an oled
>>738522526>>738522716but if it ain't broke.why fix it ?
>>738523151Glossy is easy to scratch and looks like a mirror with minimal ambient light in the room.
>>738523125>Brighter but colors more washed outFalse. More HDR headroom means tonemappers don't desaturate bright colors as much.
>>738493715Nope, can't afford to even live in this Israel slave farm country.
>>738522949>Because it's fucking true.It's not, and if you actually think so go to an eye doctor. At the very least a monitor from that era is 60Hz, just going up to 120Hz is a transformative experience, and even 4k monitors these days are 144Hz.The difference in motion smoothness and DPI is night and day. The best IPS monitors right now have 2000:1 and 3000:1 contrast ratios, which is a massive improvement over IPS monitors from around 2010-2014.They're not using 6-bit panels with dithering, they come out of the factory with relatively accurate colours, I could go on. >>738523172I'm genuinely baffled, monitors were stagnant for over a decade and finally after 2020 we finally got some progress and people are actually complaining about it?
>>738523196I use glossy TV as a PC monitor and I don't have any issues, yet the picture clarity is so good
>>738494696They have other means to exfil dataYou need to remove the antenna
>>738523196>Glossy is easy to scratchI literally put a glossy screen protector on my DRAWING TABLET and it's scratch-free. Maybe I actually got a good one.
>>738523245>The best IPS monitors right now have 3000:1 contrast ratioWhich one?
>>738523209True by nature of the backlight design
>>738523289is it made of glass?
>>738523328Nope.
>>738523245>complainingi'm not, i just don't get why are people so desperate to try to sell me stuff for things that aren't broken, monitor show me image, if i see image then i don't see a reason to replace it.blame the OP instead for making marketing threads
>>738522716Because my 12 year old monitor works just fine and meets my needs?>JUST THROW THAT SHIT AWAY AND FORK OUT MONEY TO GET SHINIER TRINKETS AND BAUBLESJesus fucking christ consumer capitalist brainrot is genuinely grotesque.
>>738523172>why are people trying to sell me a wheelbarrow? i want to carry heavy loads around by hand because i don't have to worry about accidentally damaging something
>>738523303Dell U2725QE, it's not a gaming monitor per se but it's 4k 120Hz with a Thunderbolt 4 dock, if I didn't already have a U2724DE I'd get it as an endgame monitor. Pic related is the results from my monitor when I calibrated it, I've posted a couple of photos a bit further up. >>738523415The difference is massive, and most importantly you can get it for not a lot of money, there is literally no reason to use a 60Hz monitor as your main display you're not saving money you're being a masochist.
>>738522945>a basic bitch 1080p60 sub $100 va can handle everything you would not want to use an oled forLike games wuth persistent UI elements?
I didn't read the thread but what's the best 24" 1080p OLED monitor I can buy right now? I don't care about HDR or any other gimmick like that that I'll never use. Thanks.
>>7385235311080p oleds don't exist
>>738523529those aren't an issue
>>738523245I'm not arguing that they don't look better. I'm arguing that the improvements justifies the throwing away of a good monitor for one that, although better, is not better enough to warrant the price. Sitting next to my 4K MiniLED is a perfectly adequate 1080p 60Hz LCD. Why upgrade it?
>>738523625For your cinematic triple A goyslop that you sit in front of for 1 hour at a time maximum, maybe. The kind of subhuman faggots that make marketing threads and insist that you CONSOOM are the kind of shit-eating awful taste subhumans that would play triple-A dogshit.
I have an AORUS 4k OLED, one of the best vidya purchases ever, looks great.
>>738493715I have a miniled monitor (IPS with 1000+ zones where backlight can be individually turned completely off), it will do for now until microled makes it to market.don't need oled, I already have a plasma (panasonic G10, they bought and used Kuro tech and you really only have 2-3 better models than that). It's the same fucking thing: better blacks, more uniform colors, no viewing angle bullshit, better motion handling, but expensive and has image retention. fucking awesome to see that in 17 years, display tech managed to reach the exact same position it originally was.>but muh oled is largerbitch if I wanted large I can use my old projector, I just need a proper screen for it.
>>738523529>>738523724I use my OLED to play old hardware via a Retrotink, which means huge retro game UI onscreen permanently, and so far there has been absolutely no issues.
>>738523724so what makes you talk about things you've never experienced?i once spent 10 hours straight playing minecraft, why do i not have the ui burnt in?
I got a 4k OLED recently and is worth it. Im using it right now as another monitor. the 1080p caused eye strain. You NEED one.
>>738523479>hurr durr you're just a consoomer I've already made my case and you people don't even try to argue with facts or numbers, just parroting hurrr dur consoomer. >>738523697High refresh rate, wide gamut, accurate colours, high DPI are all transformative, not marginal upgrades.And most importantly they don't cost a lot of money to buy now, the market is fundamentally different than it was back in 2013. Even in 2020 a 1440p 165Hz VA cost a lot of money, now you can get one for under $200, anyone telling people to stay on their shitty 1080p 60Hz screens is giving out bad advice.
>>738523840>once
>>738518967>>738519182Oled (and Plasma but who had a Plasma) burn is different because burn in was and is not prevalent at all on CRT/LCD. You REAAALY need to abuse CRT/LCD for years to get burn in. On the other hand you can burn in Oled easily by normal usage. I feel like this is the thing Oled defenders don't want to understand and I'm saying this as an Oled owner. Shit like "You should hide taskbar", "just use secondary monitor for productivity" and "of course it burned in you played game X for hundreds(?!) of hours" sounds mental for someone who used/using CRT/LCD. There is a serious video series on youtube "Deliberately bruning in my Oled"... and the guy uses it like a normal LCD monitor.>something that never manifestsThere are tons of burn in pics and videos on Youtube. The thing with Oled is it is still significantly more expensive which means sales are the fraction of LCD and it is more likely by the time they burn in the owner replaced them already. This is why you can never get an official answer from anyone where is the cutoff point for your use case for Oled.This is why you talk in vague terms like "you need to go out of your way to happen".Tell me the usage hours, the brightness, how long can I watch the same content to not get burn in. You can't. Everyone is playing russian roulette. Burned in? Ooops, your fault.
>>738523927let me guess, you don't know the difference between burn in and persistence?post your monitor
>>738501570This. I still use my $500 2010 LG as my one and only TV and it still works just as well as the day it was bought. 2 years is atrocious, even 10 is far too little for how much these things cost.
My 14 year old no bullshit 32'' 1080 led still works like the day it came out of the box, and by the time it breaks for good you will have gone through 10 oleds at best and humanity might not even exist anymore at worse.
>>738493715i still use a 60fps 50 inch lcd tv on my pc desk its fucking comfy why would i buy another? is it not as crisp better fps and all that other jazz? sure but it works just fine
>>738524206>still works like the day it came out of the boxYeah, it's just as shit now as it was back then.
>>738493715I’ve boughtereded ‘eck oled recently and while it’s nice I dont really see much reasons to upgrade from my current pc monitor (dell g2724d) to an oled one
>>738524290And that's all I need, John OLED.
>>738523892>High refresh rateMaybe my eyes are just broken but the threshold between choppy and smooth is something like 50hz for me. I bought a 144hz monitor in 2017. Cursor movements feel much smoother, but games don't really benefit to me. Maybe this is useful for comp gamers.>Wide gamutThis is a meme even if you do like HDR considering how everything uses "realistic" colors that fall well within sRGB. I've yet to see anything even use DCI-P3 gamut that isn't artificial color-graded promo shit for store displays. Fuck, I MAKE HDR content and I usually don't ever stray beyond sRGB except for very specific circumstances.>accurate colorsGamut-correct colors are nice to have. But again, this was already attainable back then with reasonably high-end or mid-tier monitors.>high-dpiUseful for workspace and productivity, but the difference between a 1080p monitor and a 1440p monitor is marginal for games and media. Only game where I found it made a difference was in flight sim since the simulated avionics were too small to read at 1080p.And you didn't list this but>HDRNice if you actually find content for it. But even then, it's a "nice to have".All of these things are nice, added bonuses, but you can still get 95% of the experience without them.
imagine being on your deathbed and thinking that looking at shit screens was worth it because you saved $4000 over the course of your life
>>738523697Nobody said you had to throw away the existing monitor. You can just use it as a second screen. I wouldn't throw away my IPS just because I upgraded to an OLED.
>>738524403>I should've bought an oled... now the only thing that awaits me... is a milky grey void... [dies]
>>738524403Imagine thinking that any of that matters when you're a living organism master at adapting. When you try to look for better things it's only matter of time until that better becomes your normal and now you need an even better thing for it to feel better again. You can't go and try to tell my past self that I had fake fun playing PS1 games in 240p 30fps. I had fun, and I still have fun, when you're busy obsessing yourself over technical specs.
>>738524395Yeah sounds like you're a special case and you don't feel the difference as much.I had a high end CRT that I used at 1600x1200 at 100Hz (anything below that flickers) I held onto until around 2011 and begrudgingly "upgraded" to a high end 60Hz LCD and I hated it the entire time I had it, it was more compact and had perfect geometry but it was shit for games. 1440p is transformative for content that's not games, modern UI and websites use so much padding and waste so much space you don't realise just how little content you're seeing until you get a higher-resolution monitor. I didn't mention HDR because unless you have an OLED it's a meme, especially on edge-lit LCDs, but I should have mentioned VRR it's also transformative. In any case a monitor is something you're literally looking at for hours every single day, if that's not sufficient justification to spend money on one I don't know what is.Pic related my U2413, it would cost about $850 today adjusted for inflation and a $200 monitor will BTFO it.
Oled is terrible for gaming and isn't designed for gaming. >brightness Can't get bright which is important for multiplayer games, and when I say bright I mean full screen brightness and not 2% window flashbang brightness >VRR flicker If you have a fluctuating framerate or are hovering around the VRR bottom end limit it will start flickering which is annoying >black crush Bad for dark games because oled crush dark greys into blacks which means some games are literally impossible to play in dark scenes >HUD dimming Modern oled have to decrease the hud brightness to prevent burn in which is just annoying >burn in In general burn in sucks and all the pixel shift and refresh shit you're forced to do is just unnecessarily annoying t. C5 owner
>>738524790Forgot to attach the image.
>>738524403No, because I simply do not need it.I'm nearsighted, so I don't really see any difference anyway. My recreation room is not very wide so the angle viewing improvements are meaningless for me. I do not turn off my lights so true black is meaningless. Most of what I use it for is for anime, youtube and games made before the technology was even a thing.I do not need an OLED any more than I don't need a 100'' screen for the poverty ball meme cup.
>>738493715>will you be buying an OLED TV for gaming?Maybe. Sometime in the future. But I'll keep the TV I bought for $30 on marketplace until it breaks.
>>738524723so you wouldn't mind being born a slave and never being allowed to leave?
>>738499352My KD-65X7055 doesn't have this problem. Thank god for half-smart TVs
>>738524986I did say that people who chase the best will never truly feel fully satisfied with their lives but I would never guessed that the situation was that dire.
>>738525186>will never truly feel fully satisfiedexcept that's wrong retardyou don't understand the first thing about monitorswe're about 10 years away from hitting the biological limit for monitors, it's about 4k ultrawide at 500hz, maybe 6k
>>738493715>will you be buying an OLED TV for gaming?no. my 3440x1440 is good enough
>>738523892>High refresh rateHigh refresh rates help, especially if you got really high ones and black frame insertion. I wouldn't say it's a game changer but it's nice.>wide gamutsaw nothing that used this so far. HDR doesn't even fucking work if you have multiple monitors (2nd "monitor" is my AVR because every HDMI connection requires to have a fucking display set up).>accurate coloursWe had those for ages, and they are held back by garbage viewing angles and backlight bleed on all LCD panels.>high DPI are all transformative, not marginal upgrades.High DPI is still incredibly janky in Windows. Maybe with Windows11 it's better, but it also breaks 1001 other things so It's of minimal use.
>>738523943>and Plasma but who had a PlasmaI have one. Panasonic G10. insane good for gaming, zero lag, great blacks, etc. but if you play the same title for too long (like 10 hours a day for a week), the game UI will be burnt into it. It'll wash out after another week of playing something else, but it can be annoying.
>>738524790>Pic related my U2413I had one of those, they are insane good workhorses, like 12 hours a day for 10+ years and it'll still work fine.It also had the BEST USB slots on it that any monitor ever had. I was so pissed when they changed the slot positions in 2022 or so.
>>738525449Yes, very cool. But I and the majority will still just stick to whatever they got a good deal on and enjoy consooming the media more than the ones getting stuck on details.
>>738525675>le ignorance is bliss
>>738523943>On the other hand you can burn in Oled easily by normal usage. I feel like this is the thing Oled defenders don't want to understand and I'm saying this as an Oled owner.Your last statement is completely irrelevant. You could have a fairly old OLED display that suffers much more from this very issue. You fail to understand that what's on the market right now isn't the trash you could find 8 years ago.>Shit like "You should hide taskbar"I don't do this at all, mind you>"of course it burned in you played game X for hundreds(?!) of hours"If you display the same exact HUD with the same elements at high brightness for several hours a day for a long period of time it can become an issue, but what are we talking about here, DotAfags?>There is a serious video series on youtube "Deliberately bruning in my Oled"... and the guy uses it like a normal LCD monitor.If you're referring to the Hardware Unboxed series of videos, he's using it strictly for static content in productivity tools which these monitors are never advertised specifically for, and next to nobody uses for. https://youtu.be/15aIdl-HKWc?t=640>There are tons of burn in pics and videos on Youtube. The thing with Oled is it is still significantly more expensive which means sales are the fraction of LCD and it is more likely by the time they burn in the owner replaced them already. This is why you can never get an official answer from anyone where is the cutoff point for your use case for Oled.You've been even officially told for years that the use case for OLED monitors is dynamic content, not static content. Nobody sells these as Microsoft Excel displays. >Tell me the usage hours, the brightness, how long can I watch the same content to not get burn in.Because OLED displays 10 years ago do not happen to be the exact ones released next month, you're not gonna get any data without pointing out the exact model you own as an OLED owner. Don't be "vague" now.
>>738525749>trash you could find 8 years ago.Fool me onceFool me twiceI am not buying a tech that was rushed 8 years before being market ready simply because it's a bit better now, just like how I'm not going back to very large traffic cone media player simply because it's slighty better now.
>>738525479When I say accurate colours I should have clarified, 10-15 years ago if you bought a generic cheap LCD it had horrible white point out of the box and usually no preset would even come close to accurate colours. Of course you could use a calibrator and make an icc profile, but monitors these days come with very accurate calibration out of the box, even the gaming ones, which is impressive. I wouldn't mention it if it wasn't for the fact that most people don't even touch the settings and if you see how they use their TVs you'd lose faith in humanity. The difference between a 24" 1080p monitor and a 27" 1440p monitor is just 92 vs 108 DPI, but the 1440p one looks significantly sharper IRL, and you see a lot more content, 32" 4k is even better if you can use it at 100% scaling of course. >>738525671Yeah, I gave it to my parents it will probably outlive any other monitor I own, it's so overbuilt.
>>738525749>Nobody sells these as Microsoft Excel displaysI have seen airports (Barajas in Spain for example) with burnt in nigh unreadeable OLED screens. Even if they are not marketed for it doesn't mean assholes won't sell them to you with no warning.
Can someone recommend me good IPS monitors? I'm looking into buying a second one and I don't mind getting the same Acer Nitro XV271U M3 that I currently have, but the backlight bleed can be very noticeable when using it in the dark and it only has a 1000:1 contrast.
>>738525717Are you saying it isn't? Live.
>>738502965Cool it with the antisemitism
>>738525915So you know nothing and yap a lot.
>>738526065How much are you looking to spend and do you want any additional functionality i.e. Thunderbolt dock, portrait mode stand, ambient light sensor for adaptive brightness and white point?
>>738493715Give it 5 years before you complain about your OLED
>>738526163Tell me why should I now trust a scummy technology that was sold in defective by design products?>it will last 2 years instead of 2 weekslol
>>738525923I agree that higher res monitors are significantly sharper, but 1440p is kind of in a poor spot because most content is 1080p and you'll have to use noninteger scaling for that. I went for a 27" 4k monitor, unfortunately 4k is so fucking crap, the games I play the most have some issues ranging from not working at that rest to having bad UI scaling.And playing at 4k is little different from playing 1080p with high level supersampled antialiasing (which just means rendering 4k and interpolating it down).
>>7385262945 years isn't that bad.
>>738526190It's $240 on ebay so I don't mind paying $300-$400. I honestly have no much knowledge on monitors, I only built my first PC last year.
>>738526065If contrast is your concern and it has to be IPS, then look up for miniled IPS.https://www.displayninja.com/mini-led-monitor-list/
>>738526463Non-integer scaling doesn't really matter for videos when everything is filtered and post processed anyway.4k can be a pain in the ass for games I agree, I play a lot of BeamNG and it's awful at 4k, but works fine in 1440p.>>738526480I'm a Dell fanboy but for your use case and budget the most well-reviewed and recommended IPS monitors are the Gigabyte M27UP if you want 4k, LG 27GR83Q-B if you want 1440p.I'd go for 1440p because it's a lot easier to run games at native resolution than 4k.
>>738511923How do you like that laptop?
>>738512007>ips blackThey kinda look like they are bad for gaming
>>738493715>Now that OLED burn-in is a thing of the past,???
>>738527030Oh, that's a good site, I'll look into it, thanks.>>738527064Yes, I'm sticking to 1440p. Granted, I can go a bit higher, even $500, I don't mind spending the extra for a very good IPS.
>>738527064What do you recommend for a 32 inch 4k monitor that my kids will also use and not understand burn in
>CONSOOM THE NEW PRODUCT BUY BUY BUY YOU NEED THE NEW THING PLEAAASE JUST BUY IITTTTTTTno thanks, still sticking with 23inch 1080p
>>738527064>Non-integer scaling doesn't really matter for videos when everything is filtered and post processed anyway.I'm talking bluray, not netflix/youtube. 1080p input -> 1080p output, no filters/processing except maybe whatever MPCHC renderer does so there's no hiccups from playing back 23.976 framerate.That latter use to be a major pain in the arse and we used everything from custom resolutions to custom refresh rates to framedoubling/tripling to 1% speedup and pitch increase to get 25fps and playing back in 75Hz. When watching Fight Club with my stepdad, I had to reassure him that the frame skip (early on, when Tyler appears for a single frame) was intentional and part of the movie, not a playback error. Watching movies with him was so good.I'm glad we have at least that much figured out now.
>>738527804It shouldn't be this hard to play a video file correctly
>>738526470I still use a CRT that works great5 years is absolutely bad for a TV
>>738526065>good IPSNo such thing in afraid
>>738527396It's been a real workhorse, I've travelled Europe with it for work, I even used it as my only computer for a while, it can play older games just fine. Zero burn-in on the OLED monitor after 2.5 years of daily use for work. The 7840U is starved for power, in the real world it's about as fast as a 6 core Zen 4 desktop chip, despite being 8 cores. The Realtek WiFi adapter was god awful and I replaced it with an Intel one. The stock Samsung SSD is meh, I replaced it with a 4TB one. The battery capacity has degraded about 20%.>>738527429They're alright, the response times could be better there's some ghosting for sure, there's no toggle for VRR on the monitor itself and I don't think Dell even mentioned FreeSync anywhere in the specs, but if you enable it from the drivers it works.>>738527623I'd recommend a Dell Ultrasharp like mine simply for the nice panel, but I think they discontinued the 1440p line and moved to 4k 120Hz even for the 27" ones. >>738527646Don't overspend get something like the Samsung Odyssey G7, LG also had a comparable monitor 32U721SA>>738527804It's a non-issue you're never looking at the unfiltered pixels anyway there's always some sort of processing. Judder and stutter are another matter altogether, but 120Hz has been a godsend for media consumption desu since it's divisible by 24, 30 and 60.
>>738527893What I mentioned was from 20 years ago, trying to get native 23.976Hz out for movies on a HTPC connected to a projector, without any frame skipping. For me it wasn't an issue because my plasma had native 23.976 support.Like I said, it's a solved problem by today. But back then, making sure you get no skipped/duplicated frames, was only possible by using an integer duplicate of the input framerate, and you either couldn't add custom resolutions/frequencies or some displays did not support any integer multiplies of 23.976. Getting 72Hz (with movie playing at 23.976*3 = 71.928) was closest but it still gave you a frame skip every once a while, which was very visible for ex. on panning shots. Reclocking the movie to 25fps and playing back either in 50Hz or 75Hz was the best choice at the time.MPCHC EVR and then MadVR and now the MPCHC native renderer solved the problem, but these things only became available many, many years later. EVR was out in the late 00s but it was kind of a half solution that was "good enough".
>>738493715>OLED TV for gamingyou mean a oled monitor? sure.
>>738514342What matters is that it's not there 24/7. And as I explained, on a 42" 4K screen you rarely maximize windows, UIs mostly aren't designed for it. I only maximize stuff like vscode etc.
>>738528404It's worth mentioning that even if you solve judder 24fps in the cinema looks completely different from 24fps on a TV, even slow panning shots looks smooth on a cinema projector. Too bad modern films are mostly slop not worth the price of admission, but I did enjoy watching the Chansaw movie in the cinema.
>>738528242>I'd recommend a Dell Ultrasharp like mine simply for the nice panel, but I think they discontinued the 1440p line and moved to 4k 120Hz even for the 27" ones.Any specific models you might recommend?
>>738528242>Judder and stutter are another matter altogether, but 120Hz has been a godsend for media consumption desu since it's divisible by 24, 30 and 60.MadVR and mpchc native renderer does some voodoo that can kill stutter completely, even when watching 23.976 on 60Hz. Don't ask how, I long since stopped caring because ever since EVR it looked "good enough" for me; with EVR I only got minimal stutter, with MadVR and MPHC Native I get ZERO no matter the movie framerate and monitor framerate.Like I said, the problem got fixed, and I'm insanely fucking glad it did. So much time wasted pressing ctrl+j in MPCHC.
>>738528565Yeah, black frame insertion helps a little with that, but it's still not the same.
>>738528568U2724D or U2724DE if you can find them, but they're 120Hz and don't have HDR or local dimming. If you want to play CS2 or some other high-paced shooter maybe get a higher refresh rate monitor.Image-wise the biggest benefit is that the "IPS black" panels have very good colours and contrast, but the availability is limited:https://www.displayninja.com/ips-black-monitor-list/>>738528936Yeah, I think digital cinema projectors show every frame 5 times and insert a black frame in between, it really is cinema magic.
I switched to a glossy 32' 4k OLED from a 1440p 27' matte OLED and the difference is almost as huge as LCD -> OLED. I fucking hate matte dogshit with a passion now
>>738493715I'm fine with my 27" monitor.
>>738529060And all of the IPS Black 1440p 27" monitors only have 120Hz Refresh Rate except for the HP Omen 27qs G2 which is way over my budget, and ideally I'd like to stick to 180Hz as a minimum. Still, thank you for the recommendations, I'll keep looking into them, I think my only concern is trying to minimize the backlight bleed as much as possible.
>>738529406Yeah, they're mostly high-end work monitors that you can also use for gaming. That's why I got mine, one single USB-C cable and you've got video, peripherals, 2.5 gig connection to the NAS and even a 4k60Hz output to the TV.Why not consider a VA monitor? They've got superior blacks than IPS, and black crush isn't that big of an issue with modern panels.
>>738493715luv me 42" LGC2now i just need a proper GPU so i can run 4k natively and my endgame PC build will be complete
>>738529759I'm not that concerned about blacks, my only concern really is the backlight bleed which honestly rarely if ever bothers me, that's why I was thinking about just buying the same Acer monitor I currently have, but I thought that I might as well ask for other suggestions around the same price range.
>>738494490It's always the DEI supporters pushing OLEDs. They want more blacks. Isn't Debra Wilson enough?
>>738496604>I like food this is why I only eat McDonalds
>>738494226based
>>738529991Stuff like bleed or white uniformity is still going to be down to IPS lottery I'd think. There may be some binning going on for more expensive models like Dell Ultrasharp (while worse binned panels would go into Dell P or whatver it is), but who knows.
>>738503137I do neither. >need to do a new build>have been putting it off for a new years now>doesnt look like pricing will become reasonable anytime soonIt would suck more if modern games were worth playing. The only downside is I lag slightly at certain points of a big SoaSE2 game.
>>738494875wtf I bought a 42 inch LCD in 2012 for $300. Why did you pay so much
>>738494538>I don't like blacksGigabased.
>>738494696https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=4F-JsLukpyEYou vill be connected to ze internet. Even if you dont have internet.
>Now that OLED burn-in is a thing of the pastI wouldn't say so. On an LG C1 I got green burn in around on top edge after around 5 years or so of use.ALways had the screen powered so it pixel cleans routinely and took precautions like having a black background and not leaving the display on if I am not using it.I'm waiting on QDEL
>>738499384Your tv will attempt to connect to the internet even if you dont connect it yourself.
My TV has started to launch into its smart TV stuff, despite having all of it disabled as much as possible, even though I have the setting to do so turned off. Ive never used the smart stuff on it, and the TV says it hasn't updated in half a decade, but suddenly its giving me error messages about running out of space.Never again, Samsung.
>>738531714>>738532835Just use your router's settings if you're seeing anything suspicious.
>>738532835If a smart tv has alexa, its also an amazon sidewalk bridge device and can get internet from other bridge devices.Its possible your tv updated after connecting to someones internet.
>>738533113This doesnt stop your tv connecting to someone elses internet.The problem is with things like amazon sidewalk its going to be impossible to have a tv that isnt connected to the internet.
>>738533113>>738533248I should clarify, I did have it connected to the internet at the time, and have since removed it. The thing that's frustrating is that its ignoring the settings and is lying about its last update, since this didnt magically start out of nowhere.
>>738533248>>738533342Who in this day and age has unsecured wifi?
>>73850278324 months is literally a brand new device. I have an IPS monitor made in 2002 and it has no burn in or any other issues. Works perfectly fine.
>>738533761Amazon.For the purpose of connecting all devices to the internet of things.
>>738533761Anyone with an alexa or a ring doorbell for one.Google amazon sidewalk.
>>738518986How come I can see this webm just fine even though I have VA?
>>738521220QLEDs are just leds.
>>738521920Fuck off. You literally have a reaction time in the 200s. 1 to 5ms delay is meaningless.
>>738523980>>738523927>>738523840This guy played minecraft for 10 (Tien) HOURS and didn't get burn-inOh my FAUCIThis is amazingOLED won
>>738536219NTA but you have no idea what you're talking about or what the implications of a higher/lower response time is.
>>738518949>he turns off his pc/monitor Git out
>>738536389zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>738536389>you have no idea what you're talking about or what the implications of a higher/lower response time isI am not trans, that is correct.
>>738536357>>738536709>>738536957
>>738514107>LCDs are so shit these days they'll fail in 5 years anyway even if the panel is perfectly fine.My TV is 16 years old in 2 years she'll be old enough to fuckCan an OLED last this long? No?Yea thought so.
>>738537159Are you functionally illiterate?
ouuuuhthis monitor is not heckin validit's refreshing 7.3 microseconds too lateit's putting me down on the competitive Tranny Strike GO KYS ladder by at least 100 positionssisters how will I ever afford my rainbow flag knife skins now...
>>738537216I'm not buying your dogshit alpha-test TV marketersan
>>738514107I think this is just cope
>>738537308I'm happy that your old TV works, but that's not a counterargument to the point being made. We're talking about TVs you can buy now you retard, they have high failure rates, even the expensive ones - >>738514887Also, if your TV is that old it probably has a CCFL backlight so it is in fact degraded and a lot dimmer than it was when new, you're just used to it. >>738537249Mental illness
>>738537249your opponent is refreshing at 0.03ms while you're doing 1-5ms
>>738537626oh noooomy comp rankI can't process this emotionally i need my hrt;_;
>>7385376260.03ms is 30000 FPS.
>>738537884>>738537893>response time is just a meme brohttps://testufo.com>your reaction time is literally 200ms bro
>>738537893drugs make the fps so high it looks real
>>738538119Wow that number looks pretty sick I bet you pull truckloads of pussy after you flash them your Valorant stats.
>>738538509Fuck off with your cringe zoomer slop, these are skills honed in Quake 3 and Unreal.I can easily get to the mid 130ms on a CRT.
all the oled seethe comes from poorfags and brows that don't understand the concept of maintenance
>>738538645My bad.I bet you pull truckloads of sphynx pussy when you flash your frag montage at the nursing home.
>>738538119What I mean, 0.03ms "response time", whatever is being measured is a useless number, because to take advantage of it, the game would need to poll the inputs and deliver frames at a comparable rate, which no game can do. Even before considering network latency.
>>738493715coolhow about fixing how shit blurry they are and how reading text on an oled maked your head hurt?
>>738539116Response time helps with motion clarity and ghosting dumbass, nobody's claiming it has a meaningful effect on input lag.
>>738539257>WHAT DOES THE FOX SAY
>>738538784How much per hour do you pay for your OLED maintainer?
>>738525749>Your last statement is completely irrelevant. You could have a fairly old OLED display that suffers much more from this very issue. You fail to understand that what's on the market right now isn't the trash you could find 8 years ago.Back when I bought my OLED phone (Galaxy Note 8) a long time ago, this was the exact same thing OLED evangelists said at the time.That phone has really nasty burn in from playing a mobile game lmao. It's so bad that you can even see it while looking at normal pictures on the screen, don't need to use solid gray background or anything.In b4 "you're not allowed to use your phone like that".
>>738511094>PirateSoftwareGOD
>>738528242Dell Ultrasharp monitors are atrocious quality.Then again they are cheap so you get what you pay for.
>>738540331happened to me, but it was so bad i returned ittried 2 oled more expensive panels, one woled or what the fuck they called, the rgbw layout ones, and standard triangle ones, but had fuck awful uniformity, both noisy on individual pixel level as well as this shit and other problemsi will try oleds in 5 years
>>738540331Don't tell me you're using a youtube video to test your screeen.
>>738493765>quality things cost a lotWhat's the problem?
>>738540634You could if it's just solid greys, no bitrate can mess those up
>>738540543in 5 years we'll have consumer grade microled(supposedly)not to be confused with miniled
>>738493715I've had my OLED TV for 4 years and my OLED monitor for 2 years and both are still perfectly fine.
>>738541507I mean just open up paint and paintbucket grey lol
>>738494538based
>>738525582My friends has a Plasma too and I was pretty baffled when I saw how fast it suffers image retention. Amazing you can restore it, however at that point it is more than mild annoyance. It isn't even correct to call it burn in because when Oled burns in you can't fix it.
>>738541280I lived through the plasma TV trend I think I can wait for OLED to become dirt cheap too.
>>738525749Before I bought my Oled I did my research. Not just on Reddit but A/V forums. And you know which is the most common reply for people who got burn in EVERY FUCKING YEAR:>oh you got very unlucky, just get a new model those are much betterYes, I know since the X LG series (2020) Oleds really got significantly more resistant but RTINGS did tests and it proved they did not get that much more resistant if you are watching bright content.There are two other things I want to mention. One is about HUD. You can not downplay the HUD issue today. Interface design is now a separate profession, not someone on the team does it whatever he thinks of. There are memes about how completely different games have the exact same UI design principles. High contrast (increases burn in risk tenfold), high brightness elements at mostly the same overlapping points of the screen. Aside from a very small amount of games no game is mastered for Oled. You can not turn off hud elements nor set their transparency (mostly because these would be interefere with the game anyway). Look at the screenshot from Persona 5. See the calendar in the top left corner? It is there all the time. For every hour of gameplay it fades out for a few minutes at most. This is a 120hour RPG. It is a size of a fist on a 55 inch Oled.>You've been even officially told for years that the use case for OLED monitors is dynamic content, not static content. Nobody sells these as Microsoft Excel displays.We both know this is not true otherwise every Oled would have a sticker like not for productivity/gaming in every store. Instead LG began with positioning their Oleds for high quality gaming from the start. Why did a TV made for "dynamic content" needed VRR/FREESYNC/GSYNC support and four HDMI 2.1 ports when only the Series X, PS5 and high end gaming rigs could use it for anything back in 2020? Why do we have gaming laptops with Oled screens? Why do we have non gaming laptops with Oled screens?
>>738544731Just buy a new one lol what are you poor?
>>738544731>HUD issueI was playing this mobile game on my phone and there were these bright blue fires at the bottom that would fill up as you progressed in turns, the very first fire that would usually activate first burned in like a motherfucker with the rest of them only mildly burning in or not at all for the later ones (you used them up in gameplay)"OLED looks nice" is a funny statement to me. It does, if it's pristine and has 0 burn in. The second you get any noticeable burn in it starts to look nothing short of vile. I have an 24 year old monitor and it looks amazing when I compare it to my OLED phone. That's fucked. I played my phone game for much more than 120 hours, though. I don't think my Steam Deck OLED got burned in from 120 hours of Persona 5. At least I've not noticed it.
>>738539984>a long time ago,I need not to say fucking anything here.>>738544731>but RTINGS did tests and it proved they did not get that much more resistant if you are watching bright content.Again, static bright content.Persona 5 is a game where you're constantly switching between screens with transitions and going between battles. It's actually pretty stylistic on how it handles UI animations, btw. Animations. Animated, motion. The game has a lot of that actually. There's a good number of games where you can turn HUD brightness down, specially if they support HDR, but you can also use ReShade mods for unsupported games if it's an actual issue.>>738544731>We both know this is not true otherwise every Oled would have a sticker like not for productivity/gaming in every store. What the fuck are you on about and why are you putting excel sheets with gaming in the same category? Do you play fucking game & watch emulators? cookie clicker clones? Of course they're marketed for gaming, because most games are not composed of static content and these displays have considerably lower latency, specially on lower refresh rates.>Why do we have non gaming laptops with Oled screens?More forms of media than gaming exist.
>>738493715> 24 months without burn-in> 24 monthsAm I supposed to buy a new display every two years now?
>>738546976Yes?You have a job, no?
>>738541507Nope I tried it and and the compression introduces artifacts even in a solid colour
>>738495028> when you go pee or somethingDo you not know what piss bottles are used for?To not go afk when you pee.
>>738547065No, I retired early.Should I increase the rents again?
>>738547197YesYou have to update your computer every 5 years, your phone every 3, keyboard mouse and TV every 2
>>738493715>OLED burn-in is a thing of the past(You)
>>738545619>because most games are not composed of static contentAre these games in the room with us?
>>738499352>a dark spirit has invaded
>>738493715>oledditor shill at it again
>>738493715Maybe one day, but I'd rather get a pulsar monitor first.
OLED is overrated>>738495516except even if you don't connect to the internet, even if you build a faraday cage that prevents it from secretly communicating to some server like some tinhats think they do, the fact is that all smart TVs run demanding software and are powered by hardware that only borderline can manage it. Within a year or two it will begin to significantly slow down. The fact that streaming boxes like roku, fire tv and the like exist only prove how much of an issue this is. And the fact that there are no high end dumb TV options available to the average consumer is an absolute crime.
>24 months>exactly on time when the guarantee runs outepicoled cucks cucked forever
>>738493715OLEDS are obsolete, Micro RGB is the future
>>738547456The minimap is not staticThe compass movesThe weapon icons change all the timeAmmo count changesBars go up and downAnd to top it off, one of these elements isn't even "bright" to begin withMotherfucker do you understand what the implications are of leaving these same elements there for hours, -h o u r s- frozen?
oled dark levels are too dark so it's instantly shit
>>738547998Idiot.
>>738493715Great so now they just have motion blur, flickery as fuck VRR, ABL that can't be disabled, and a lifespan of approx 12 months.....Very cool!Nah i'll stick with my plasma that has none of those issues.
>>738494490>It's time to evolve.Where were you people when plasmas had true blacks 20 years ago?That's right, you were following the herd and buying LCDs because the advertising told you to.
not paying 9k for a 65" gayoled
>>738495516In my experience, TVs of LCD screens are limited to 1366x768 despite being marketed as 1080p or 4K. The only exceptions are the 65-inch/OLED 4K displays, which maintain true 4K resolution.
