How much armor is too much armor in a design? Any artist game designer to chime it?
>>738529764i love pauldronsyou can never have pauldrons too big
Gilliam > Franz btw
>>738529764It's not a matter of too much, it's a matter of if it feels like it's even there. Fuck off with making a fully-armored warrior who can be cut down with a single sword swing.
>>738530058True, Franz falls off hard mid and late game. Gilliam only gets better and better
>>738529998Bonus points if they have spikes
Now that we agree armorGODS are the best units in the game then what class comes second
Benny wonJapanese players won
>takes 0 damageImagine thinking this is somehow bad
https://youtu.be/jhwWMSdV9sE?t=2h16m24sEat shit and die retard >>738530547
Marriage with Marianne!
>>738530542Since armorGODS will be enemy phasing everything then the second best class should be something that can kill in the player phase with 100 hit to complete the synergy and the third best class should be something that can move yours gods around. Unfortunately healers are pretty useless but they can still heal those 1 hp from level ups
>>738530928>biggest shill for the unit>she doesn't even perform well even accounting for his unique knowledge, familiraity, and predetermined parametersIt's time to admit shanna sucks
https://www.youtube.com/live/Y2LseiDbvJI?si=pjWpemSJHVvPKaScIs it true that Excelblem started on 4chan?
>>738531096>then the second best class should be something that can kill in the player phase with 100 hit to complete the synergyArchers.Mozu is the perfect complement to Benny.
>>738529764More is more.
is this a fire emblem thread
>18hp dodge tank
>>738531423>Fails to dodge once>Dies instantlyShould've worn armor
>>738531423Why is she not wearing underwear? Evil m*n could see her privates
>>738531423She just needs 15 more levels bro!
>>738531298yes
>>738530189No, sire.
>>738531104Fucking retard
>>738531151How is his spine still alive
>>738531423I need Lyn to tank my hits
>>738531104He said that he intentionally rolled with a low strength rolling shanna to show off what could happen if you get bad rng and how that affects the usual routing.
>>738531583Go back to your 0% radiant dawn ironman or whatever, what are you doing posting here
Shanna is like Rutger, without the crit, without the attack, without the dodge, without the hp, without the defense so she is the best unit because Rutger is the best unit
Annie and Felie
>>738531663But his shanna has 13 str which is about average for 15/15
>>738531779>just be 20 levels above the enemy
>>738531298No its clearly an armor thread. What do you think of this armor?
>>738529764Armors are cool, there's no such thing as "too much armor"
>>738531745Japan will NOT make me impregnate a woman
>>738531724but muh flying horse
>>738531779Watch the video you moron. It's just beyond the effort to argue with mouth breathers on /v/ that don't understand what is being discussed
Shanna is Lance but with more spd, flight and the only uncontested promo item.
>Shanna Team>Bors>Wolt>Dorothy>Lugh>Cecilia>Astol>Yodel>Had a strength screwed shanna and wasted time mashing end turn>and still was within a minute of the rutger team and faster than the miledy/percival teamA P O L O G I Z E
>>738531994No one is contesting a crest against Lance
>>738531917This but Japan WILL make me get impregnated by a man
>tate died>shanna died>juno livedSo we can all agree this means juno was actually the most reliable of the pegasus knights right?
>>738532027>Who is AlanAlso, Noah and Barth might also want the crest if Lance decides to suck by not proccing spd, for instance.
>>738531978You lost
>>738529764>too much armorYou're illiterate; those words do not go together in that way.
>>738532012wow he beat the teams that were using late/mid game units that weren't even available while shanna was being used? so impressive.
>>738529764>gba games have armor generals retract their spear with chains>never shown againbut it was cool...
>>738532108i don't know if sylveon's gameplay is necessarily indicative of anything
>>738532201Probably pretty hard to pull off in 3D compared to 2D.
>>738532114>alan>starts with -2 speed>Lance decides to suck by not proccing spd, for instance.He is a chapter 1 character, you can reset for a 2-3 speed speed streak putting him into doubling almost everything in the early game and everything in the isles
>>738532247You are so mindbroken by one schizo it's unreal. Maybe /vg/ is more suitable for you.
>>738532194Cope. The Rutger/Alan team barely had a real lead and the Shanna team grinded out A Roy early on which wastes a ton of time
>>738529764As long as it's not over greebled, overtly moe or covered on particle FX then they can make it as ridiculous as they like as far as I'm concerned
>>738532280>just rig his stats brooh ok
>>738529998Based.
>>738532280Every other stat of Alan is better than Lance, except for skill which doesn't matter. He more than makes up for his spd.Also, Lance is not much faster than Alan in practice, not doubling stuff until he gets many, many spd procs.
>>738532291>lost to every good team>create a fantasy scenario in your mind where that somehow means shanna did well
>>738531632
>>738532353better than riggint 2-3 stats on alan just to get to lance's speed, then getting fucked in chapter 2 trying to surpass lance and having to reset your entire ironman back to chapter 1
>>738532289?
Why don't we hold the relays on vrpg?
>>738532424With 2 speed he can double the fighters while Alan can't. With 3 more speed he can double some mercs/nomads. But until you meet mercs and nomads you get to roll his speed at least 10 times
>>738532446I'm just gonna rig Alen to his speed cap instead then if that's the level of discussion you want lol
>>738532276no it isnt
>>738532557Good luck doing that in an ironman. You will get at most 3 speed
>>738532628No one said anything about ironman until you got called out about rigging. If you wanna rig Lance speed levels I'm rigging everyone to their caps as well lol
>>738532171too many armor
>>738532701If it is not ironman then you can rig wherever. In ironman it is only feasible to rig in the first chapter for obvious reasons
>>738532758And this is why Lance is better than Alan, if that is not clear to you yet
>>738532758Thanks for explaining why bringing up rigging in gameplay debates is retarded nonsense. Now don't do it again.
>>738532550>fightersThey have like 7 spd on average on ch2, Lance needs 3 spd procs to double them. In other words, 6 levels on average.>With 3 more speed he can double some mercs/nomadsThe fuck he is, even Thany can struggle to double them.
>RNG scrambler pausedHmm...
>>738532832>allan needs to rig more speed therefore he is better than lance????
>>7385328413 levels in chapter 1 with 2-3 speed procs while resetting3 levels in chapter 2 with 1 speed proc3 levels in chapter 3 with 1 speed proc3 levels in chapter 4 with 1 speed procThis is the worst case scenario and he still get to double almost everything including the mercs
>>738532865somehow I don't think that's what paused meant there
JUST RIG SOME LEVELS BRO!!!! LMAO!!!!DELETE THIS FUCKING BOARD
>>738533117Do you want averages? Then lance still get to be 2 speed over Allan on average
>>738533041>3 levels per chapterImagine needing to grind this much after the extreme rigging in ch1 kek.
>>738533195I rigged 5 speed levels on my Alen though so I win
>>738533117That's what the video in question did though.
>>738533213You mean solo the 3 easiest early game chapter with Lance? Is rushing towards the throne grinding now? And now that he can double the cavs in chapter 4 is it grinding to use him over Marcus who can't double the horses?
>>738533195On average, that does not matter much, as previously established. He rarely can double what Alan can't, at the exchange of all his stats being worse.Meanwhile, Thany joins being able to double everything but the fastest enemies, which she's already close to being able to double with her base and growth. That here actually matters.
>>738529764Looks like cut in half, maybe asymmetric pauldrons
>>738530928Why does anyone care about some eceleb's normal mode speedrun with 1/4 of the units available?Do you play on normal mode?Do you do real time speedruns?Do you split the unit roster between four players?
>>738533267But you didn't>>738533328Mercs got nomads near them, Thany can't rush them without a team taking care of the nomads first
>>738533327>SoloThat is indeed grinding, yes. Also, Lance gets twoshot by the ch1 fighters and struggles to kill then fast, so he's not in a position to solo them. In fact, Alan is better at soloing them, since he hits them hard and his extra hp point allows him to tank more than two hits.
>>738533468>>Solo>That is indeed grinding, yes.Agree to disagree. I'm not using something that can't double. And Marcus can setup kills for everyone in chapter 1 retard
>>738533408>Mercs got nomads near them??? The only example of that I can think of is the mooncalf mercs, and Thany is still good at not getting shot by the nomads there since she can exploit the terrain.
>>738533601Chapter 5
>>738533584>Feeding all enemies to one character isn't grindingGood to know, I'll feed them to Bors instead so that he gets much better stats overall. Since we also allow rigging apparently, I'll just rig his victory on ch1 and have him turn invincible.
>>738533702No one is stopping you from getting Bors to level 3 in chapter one if he doesn't miss and you still can do that and beat the chapter in 9-10 turns
>>738533642>One merc in the northwest that doesn't even move>One merc who stays put in the south>One merc who gets to your army way before the nomads???
>>738533831Can Thany rush them with the nomads, have you ever tried? Post screenshots
>>738533798Okay, then Bors>Lance. In fact, Alan>Lance, because rigging his levels gives him better stats overall instead of just muh spd.
>>738533929You can only feasibly rig 3 levels if your patience allows. I only go for 2. Bors would need a lot of speed if you want him doubling and that is not happening in an ironman, unless you grind him
>>738529998Based pauldrons enjoyer.
>>738532704Now you're just being silly.
>>738534039>Rigging Bors' spd so that he doublesWho said anything about that? I'll rig Bors' defense instead so that he has 14 defense on ch2
>>738534264That is fun, I had Bors solo chapter 7 with Roy rescued once and no other unit deployed. Tbf he was slowly soloing chapters since 4 where he got to level 20 I think
Men should be dressed in a speedoWomen should be dressed in full plate armour
>>738533909Pretty easily, here's the first one. Usually, there'd be other units backing her up too, so don't worry about anything else than Thany reaching this merc
>>738531458that's why shes the best angelic robe in the game, though. Statblocks like marcus or heath can eat 15 hits with their fat healthpool but an extra 7 hp just pushes them to 2 or 3 extra attacks. Lyn, on the other hand, goes from being able to survive 2-10 combats before having to retreat due to taking her first hit and risking a reset on every future combat, to suddenly being able to survive 15+ combats reliably because of the ability to take multiple hits on top of dodging everything in the first place.
>>738529764>How much armor is too much armor in a design?When your armor is a personal mech suit, then it's too much armor. That's the limit. When you're not using your arms and are using a control stick to move the suit around, it's stopped becoming armor.Everything up to that point is acceptable.
>>738534616You can also easily stay out of the nomad's range here, since the others stupidly run off. As for the other enemies, Thany can take them on by either leveraging her terrain advantage or dropping in support
>>738534616Whenever I tried soloing with Thany in the early game she kept facing some chance of dying so I stopped using her as juggernaut
>>738530058>>738530159Gilliam is pretty shit. he's no Oswin. Gilliam only has 9 defense and 9 strength. Oswin has 13 str and 13 def
>>738531298for some reason there is basically always an illegal /FEG/, I guess everyone just fucking hates /feg/ on /vg/
>>738535028And I still put Gilliam in S tier
>>738534818As for the third merc, you can safely jump him from the right like this once the moving nomads are handled, which they should be. Not that you are in any hurry to kill him or need to kill him at all, since again, he doesn't bother moving.
>>738535104>I guess everyone just fucking hates /feg/ on /vg/No one wants to interact with mentally ill gachatards, pedo discords and corrupt mods. It's no place to discuss Fire Emblem.
>>738535118Handled by who, Dieck and Rutger faces crit. And Marcus is 3-4 rounding them
>>738535104/feg/ is a gachashit general.
>>738535109when I played SS I thought Gilliam was just a generic part of retard squad with franz and garcia Oswin was legit good and only gets fucked by the knights crest log jam and the faster maps. Gilliam is just king of shit no matter what>>738535202>>738535332makes sense, generals usually are pretty ass, especially on fucking /vg/
>>738535243>Dieck and Rutger faces critNo? Nomads can't roll more than 5 crit, so Dieck is guaranteed safe, and Rutger only faces crit if the nomads roll high on skill and he doesn't get luck. Plus, you have an entire army who can easily handle those nomads, nevermind simply being able to surround them or tank them with Bors.
>>738535118Is that a Merc still alive next to a cav in the spawn point? I thought Shanny was S-tier early game destroyer
>>738535515No one is using Bors outside challenge/ranked runs
>>738535612I just used a random sav from the relay for demonstration purposes, I didn't play the chapter. Doesn't help that it got corrupted with my emulator kek.
>>738535695I am using Bors
>>738535718It could also be the rom, actually. Rom switching was a big corruption problem in relays desu.
>>738535747You're not using Bors
>>738535807I am not using Bors
I'm fondling my Bors
>>738529764The Black Knight permanently changed my tastes in armor and character design when I was younger. This is the highest high to me, absolute pinnacle of fantasy armor.
I like using the Dieck and Bors formation
>>738535939Was he fucking a cute racist civilian in that house?
>>738534637>this character with 5 move and no 1-2 range weapons is actually the best angelic robe in the gameI hate playing video games with you guys
>>738534637 #>this character with 5 move and no 1-2 range weapons is actually the best angelic robe in the gameI love playing video games with you guys
>>738535807 post pic of ur deployment screen thenif you’re not fielding Bors on ch4/5 to plug the corridor and eat 20 hit nomads while everyone else does actual damage, you’re either LTC-brained or allergic to free exp. dude’s base def is basically a walking angelic robe earlygame, even if he moves like he’s in molasses.no one’s saying he’s S tier lmao, but pretending he’s unusable is peak reddit tier list brainrot. sometimes you just want a brick that doesn’t die. Bors is the brick.
We need japanese players to save us from the braindead "armors are bad" mindset
>catching up on the last thread>the Benny argument came up againI'm glad someone brought up Fierce Mien, it's a good personal, but another thing I wanted to say the other day but didn't have a chance is that Benny has natural access to Sol (and HP+5) from his class set, while Xander needs A+/S support to get Sol.
>>738536404>if you don't use the shitty armor doubled by everything with no mov and no accuracy you're an LTCfagYou have brain damage dude
>>738536215You give the robe to the healer obviously
>>738534637>to suddenly being able to survive 15+ combats reliablyIt's really funny you think the Angelic Robe increases Lyn's survivability that much when her defenses are still made of paper.
>>738535939That man has no peripheral vision.I can hide from him by standing next to him, and make mocking gestures!
You don't have enough armor if you're still walking on two legs.
>>738536494This, armour slander has to end. They're provably good in the vast majority of the games, yet people are still brainwashed by LTCfags downplaying the value of defense.
>>738536404>free expYou get to have around 20 20/15 units by the end game just by 2 rounding everything with the killing round coming from a scrimblo. With Bors you are stuck 3 rounding a lot of shit from lack of doubling and you don't need that much tanking to spread exp around
>>738535028Is there any reason why we are comparing characters from two different games?Either way Gilliam is identical to Oswin in terms of growth. On average Oswin sports +1 str and def compared to Gilliam, while the latter usually sports +2 hp on average to the former.They are literally the same character.Gilliam gets easy access to exp on his join chapter and later chapters as well, he only struggles for a handful of early game brigand chapters where he still serves as unkillable bait and is forced deployed.I can see why most would call him mid when the game also hands you Vanessa but it is purely a preference standpoint.Vanessa is a typical early game flier with very low str growth and very high speed growth.Gilliam is an armor with excellent growths and bases in the stats that matter to him.You’re basically picking between a weaker but faster Cormag or a Second better Duessel for lategame investment. Both have equal contributions in the Eirika chapters in what is relevant to them (rescuing and picking off specific shit in vanessas case, tanking dangerous shit like Joshua and holding key chokepoints in Gilliams case)Gilliam has much better support options and bonuses in order to make up for low mobility early on.Vanessa is a cute girl which gives her simp bias, she also is a flier which means shes the LTCers preferred choice.They are both worthwhile investment, its literally a playstyle preference.>b-but franzAlso a playstyle preference, if we’re talking about competing knights crest but Lances > Swords in the longrun. You can always just use both
>>738536530Only being able to attack once per combat drastically reduces the usefulness of Sol because its less chances to fish. Also, Sol is fairly easy to get in Conquest since its available via Merc and Fighter on top of Xander's most commonly used wives providing it.
>>738536494The Japanese love 'em because they can actually appreciate 'pure' tanking and see the value in reducing enemy offense. Western players only care about 'do I have the damage to kill this guy in one round?' Secondary things like accuracy, avoid and defense are completely irrelevant to them.
Bors is God tier because he doesn't die while carrying Roy while everyone perishes to random crits and bad math
>>738536749>le ltc boogiemanIf I have cavscrunko and wyverndinklo who take like 5 rounds of combat to die why so i need armorscrimblo who dies in 7 rounds?
>>738536880>they love them because they love turtling and grindingFTFY
>>738536947Can you repeat that in english?
>>738536947Because that 5 round turns into 3 rounds with a killer lance
>>738536880>Neurotic retards>Noooo I cant use a unit unless they have 110 hit>based western chad>heh, if have 90+ hit, face no chance of death and some backup plans, i'll gladly attack the enemy as long as it can kill
>>738536952>they still get all the rewards despite playing slowerWhy should anyone care again about turtling
The bigger the armor, the bigger the man or woman inside.Walking tanks should be fridge superhumans otherwise what's the point
>>738537070Didn't conquestfags lose their ironman because they didn't have enough tanks to survive the enemy phase?
>>738536693He can sense your ki!
>>738537070In reality>Westards>Heh, no way I get unlucky- OH NO, RUTKEK! THE GAME IS UNFAIR!>Nippon's finest>If I take away the lose conditions, I'm guaranteed to win
>>738536494How do we make armors feel good and worth using without sacrificing what makes them unique?
>>738529998If a character doesn't have trouble entering a door because of their pauldrons, are they even trying?
Sex with aroma girls
>>738537270They already feel good and are worth using, so nothing.
>>738537070so the japs create better and more reliable strategies, while ltc troons need to rig the rng in their favor for their "strategy" to work
>>738531481Because she lives on the plains, where no one wears underwear. She doesn't know any better.
>>738537270They already are worth using, you've just been convinced by the ltc brigade that you aren't allowed to use them
>>738537169That is what happens when you turn everyone into glass cannon>but muh dpsACK
>>738537347>JapsI really love how you retards cling onto this one guy as if he's a representation for their entire player base.
>ostensibly melee first class>get turned into a dress-wearing healslutKWAB
>>738532114>BarthBarth is worthless. I would never do this myself, but you would actually be better served selling the crest for a booster or valuable weapons.
>>738537256>Take away the lose conditions>By giving the enemy more chances to act
>>738537480>this one guyhe explictly said in his video that he built the tier list by working alongside other conquest players, some from his streams, who were experienced with the game.
>>738537518>Instant 18-19 defense minimum on ch8 is worthlessRetard
Why are there so many poseurs in these threads who cite LTC 'meta' when talking about these games despite never actually playing LTC runs themselves?
>>738537402>>738537345>it feels good when I fail to kill anything and have to slow down constantly because I'm using a shitty armorThis is why you're still bad at Fire Emblem btw
>>738537542>More chances to actKilling enemies with 100% accuracy and tanking them 100% reliably gives them no chance to act at all.
>>738537627They feel like they will become better players if they repeat everything dondon says in his videos despite not actually playing like him at all
>>738537627because armornigs need a boogeyman to blame all their issues on whenever everyone calls their pookie shit for the 100th time
>>738537667>fail to kill anything???Having an armor draw every unit on the map makes them quite easy to kill, actually.
>>738537542>tanking for an enemy phase and killing with your high damage units is bad because>letting the enemy kill your tissue paper frontline and letting them reach your backline in a single turn is better in case i get to save a few turns by dodging sketchy hits and killing the boss in 5 turns
>>738537178Sure, but my power level is like 5.I'm hidden by default.
>>738536835Franz is better than kyle, but franz gets fucked with the fact you can just use kyle and neither are Seth.Either way Oswin is way better because there are way more defend maps in FE7 and when you get Oswin he's legit good. Hector, Oswin and Marcus are just good at killing shit. Gilliam is part of retard squad and he never graduates past retard squad and the game gives you better prepromotes later anyway in Gerek, Salah and Dusel. Oswin is just way over leveled when you get him in FE7 compared to Gilliam in FE8 and there just aren't maps which make Gilliam worthwhile in FE8
LTC trannies ruined fire emblem discussion since early 2000s. Amongst other things they also ruined. And /v/ will defend them
>>738529764How else would you portray a unit you don't send melee units against?
>>738537951As a hot girl in bikini armor
>>738537768>taking twice the turns and multiple extra actions to kill any enemy is good, actuallyArmorfags can not even begin to comprehend a world where you use actually good units and good strats and can just kill enemies straight up instead of needing to coddle them like a scaredy retard with no strategy
>>738537951Something like this
>>738537885>there just aren't maps which make Gilliam worthwhile in FE8Yeah, unfortunately Sacred Stones is a game where like 80% of the enemies are stationary until you move into their range, so it's not great to be an armor. One of the few chapters where plugging a choke would be good is Rausten, but it's also really easy to skip that map.
>average armorgod denier's experience
>>738538012Enjoying the estrogen speedrunner?
>>738537402>>738537345Outside of specific units (Oswin, PoR Gatrie, and reclassed Wolf), I don't think armors feel good.>Low move early game makes them harder to train, especially in games that lack ways to either boost move or Rescue/Pair Up drop them somewhere else>Rarely sport good resistance, so a single half decent mid to late game mage will incinerate them or chunk off so much of their health they can't tank any remaining physical units>Can OHKO units early game if their strength base is high enough, but lose the ability to delete any single unit as you hit mid game>Newer FEs rarely have choke points, meaning you need multiple Generals to make your own choke pointsI really liked Wary Fighter as a way to make speed far less of an issue. Not being able to be Broken in Engage seemed neat on paper but ultimately did nothing in practice. I don't remember 3H trying to do anything to make armors worth using, and Gilbert/Dedue felt like complete dogshit since they get ORKO'd by most enemies on Maddening.
>>738537885Defend maps aren't what make Oswin good, him coming at level 10 with really fucking good stats make him worth using. Even on non-Defend maps, you've got Florina stupid early on who can ferry him anywhere he'd want to be.
>>738538012>>taking twice the turns and multiple extra actionsBut the amount of actions you take isn't a real thing that the game cares about, it's an arbitrary metric designed by LTCers.
>>738532417Man 90s anime was so much better than modern slop
>>738538250>not a real thing the game cares about>what are rankings
>>738538097>>738537920real talk, why is every fire emblem youtuber a tranny "lesbian" other than that one bald guy who raped that roastie and then just said>it was consensual, deal with it>>738538218I did bring up the fact that Oswin's level is retardedly high for when he joins. but there are also just more maps where it's worth having a MA4 guy as >>738538064 said in FE7 compared to FE8
>>738538307Something you faggots fail spectacularly
>>738538307Rankings don't care about actions only turns and rounds/kill ratio and if you are doing ranked you will want to train a lot of units anyway
>>738538307Something that includes several other categories, and that is notoriously lenient on turns?
>>738538307Oh so rank matters now? I guess Nino is a top tier unit because she gives you so much expNot like every game even has a ranking system
Post Robin already
>>738532417>>738538256>we tried to warn you about the globo homo manit's so fucking crazy to me that /a/ tries to argue that modern digishit sloppa is anywhere near as good as the hand drawn shit during and right after the asset bubble. there are so many good OVAs/movies from that 80s/90s era because they were hand drawn and hand colored and sold directly to autists on VHS and didn't need to be toned down to sell commercials on TV and by even the mid 2000s it was all digislop with shitty digital art and digital colors designed to appeal to kids and sell toys and shit to kids in every country on the planet.
>>738538542kill yourself instead
Why no Jojo mods yet? I wanna orararara Edelgard
>>738529764>>738529998I find huge pauldrons to be fascinating. Despite having zero practicality we humans always wind up drawing and designing them to be big and find them to be aesthetically pleasing or intimidating.
Cutesythea
>>738531628If you look closeley his collar is also armour, so his spine is supported by more armour.
>>738538704What if the pauldrons actually DO have a use?
>>738538704Big pauldrons have the same effect as big shoulders, where they significantly widen a body's frame. Basically, they're the easiest way to make someone look imposing, above even height.
>>738538108Wary Fighter only benefits Benny and is the entire reason why he isnt unusuable garbage.
relay?
>>738531481To distract said evil m*n so she can stab them.
>>738538834Fuck off already
>>738538704Langrisser is definitely the series for you then.
>Lynbortion >killing shit maybe in the jpn version and not the amerimutt version you queers worship
>>738538569Many old good new bad posters like yourself only watch OVAs and pretend that they're representative of the average anime back in the day. That is why a lot of /a/nons disregard your opinion.
>>738536530Xander doesn't need Sol.
>>738539016Shut up weeb
>>738538812They already gave up on making Samus's suit make sense when they had to explain how the ball form works. Ancient Ayy magic.
>>738536530You can't proc Sol with a Javelin, and Benny does not use other weapons.
>>738539074you are shit like Cai and timerra lol
>>738539123Actually, I guess you could give him a Peri's Lance if you get lucky, but he already doesn't do that much damage with a forged Javelin, it's probably not going to be that relevant with a 2 MT weapon.
Archer girls need to get protected
>>738539019digital colors always look bad. digital animation almost always looks bad and most of the writing stopped being distinctly japanese. Like most tv and films made today are fucking ASS because they are globo homo have to appeal to all people in all lands bullshit cause they can't tell a specific story. it's the whole EA we want the CoD audience thing. I know a lot of older animes that were on tv as a series were shit. I rewatched Wing and it's fucking terrible since 90% of it's reused animation and it's all either nothing ever happens or everything is happening all at once. it doesn't change the fact that OVAs and movies from the point where they started making OVAs in the early 80s up until the early to mid 2000s are way better than modern anime sloppa.
>>738539398>gets killed in favor of the mage
>>738539140Why those two specifically? We know nothing about Cai other than he's the progenitor of the Aubin Crest and Timerra is putting on an act to lower the enemy's guard
The only thing that I found interesting was using Elise as the Dark Mage juggernaut.20/20 Sorc Elise that follows his routing has 31 HP/14 Def for bulk and 38/30 offenses. It might be possible to make her into a Takumi killer.
>>738539457You vomit so many buzzwords that no wonder you got laughed out of /a/
>>738538307There are 1340 enemies in FE6. You'll be getting 30exp plus 5-7exp for each enemy in most cases. You need 501 levels for A ranking exp. So you will get 48k exp then you get 6k*1~3 exp from healing once a turn at the very least, maybe twice, or thrice with dance and dance exp. You can use Lilina and others that are easy to train as lv 1 characters are they to make up for the exp used into turning a scrimblo into your Marcus but mid-late game. Using any of the armor knights is not necessary but they are getting easy kills thanks to Marcus and whoever replaces Marcus until the very late game where half the enemies have pitiful speed and the armor knights can double except BarthAs for the Combat rank anyone acting as Marcus through the game ensures you are hitting a 50% ratioSo it doesn't matter who you use as long as you have 1~3 units setting up kills for units that can get 30 or more exp from kills
>>738538825Yeah, it's a detriment to Effie if you keep her in Armor, but at least it was a cool idea. It would've helped nearly all the GBA armors if it existed in some form back then.
>>738539541>no argumentyou are a blind retard if you can't tell the difference between digital colors and hand drawn colors. even normies can tell the exact episode of pokemon where they went to digital colors. people fucking seethe about the dark knight strikes again and the reprint of the killing joke due to the digital colors. and the plot of anything is going to be worse when you try to push for mass appeal across demographics and countries. Are you claiming you've never thought a game got casualized and ruined?
>>738539491Yeah, but why? Anyone can be a Sorceror and most of them will have more than 14 def at 20/20. A lot of units can kill Takumi too. And even more units can be juggernauts.This dude is just a scrimbloGAWD. There doesn't appear to be any internal logic to his rankings, it's very much "Benny's my tank / Elise is my Sorcerer because they just are ok."
>>738538250Im starting to see why you guys think its normal to take 2+ hours to finish a fire emblem map
>>738539884The best part is it takes these niggas 2 hours just to fuck up repeatedly. If you're gonna take that long you could at least play well.
>>738539552>You can use Lilina and others that are easy to train as lv 1 characters>tfw doing exactly this not because I want to use them this time but purely exp rank>they're actually getting super shit levels this time and it's making things less easyPain.
>>738539884>Anon's had that image saved for 1 1/4 years and still hasn't renamed it for ease of finding it againPsychopath behaviour ngl
What do the japanese think of giving the Steel Blade to Vanessa?
>>738540060Finder lets you search for words in an image.
>>738539884>>738539975Post your speedrun clear with map times.
>>738540149I don't speedrun, I just play the game at a reasonable pace. Do you want 3 Conquest files beyond chapter 20 with around 20 hours on them?
>>738539841I can tell the difference. I just dont feel like discussing anime with a brainlet that spams shit like globohomo/sloppa as some form of thought terminating cliche just because the economic bubble burst means that he cant get more style over substance shit like Dangaioh.
>>738539983You can also use the Nomads for exp later if you avoid Sacae. Not a lot of exp for untrained pegasus in Sacae though
>>738530058>post about gilliam being bad like 5 days ago >nigga has been on a nonstop crusade against franz ever since and calling random anons franzfag>mfw dont even like franz
>>738539867Elise doesnt mind dipping into Sorc anyway since it offers Heartseeker/Malefic Aura/Bowbreaker. So its worth trying out.
>>738540476Too bad she's already perfectly fine (and I would argue better) as a strategist
>>738540470>poster inadvertently reveals that this kind of messaging was effective against them by trying to use it against youGotta love it.
>>738540664There is like, zero reason to use Strategist for combat when Dark Knight does its entire job better.
https://youtu.be/ihwOzAl3C0g
I don't like reclassing so I don't use them in nu-emblem. I still don't know how they work
>>738540976We know you tell us this every thread
>>738541032Just making sure you are reading my posts and I'm not getting ignored
>>738540325>don't call slop slop>there is literally no difference between Akira which was written for japanese people and references japanese struggles, riots and hate for the japanese government after WWII and modern isiaki sloppa that isn't based on japanese culture and was intended for Americans and mexicans and french even something like kekuranger, which isn't an anime, had something to say about japanese diaspora living in the US instead of just>this plot needs to appeal to all kids everywhere
I like making cute small girls into heavy armours
>>738541081Are we really blaming ourselves for Japan's obsession with isekai and escapism at this point? Have we gotten so cucked and self-hating, we're finally there?
>>738541080Boo, come up with new material, boo!
>>738540924Strategist gives both combat and staves
If pegasus girls are so good how come they get raped when I put them near a few archers?
>>738538390what are these fucking turn counts jesus christ. Over 200 turns on Chapter fucking 5?
>>738537885Most of what you’re saying is hyperbole and vague so I’m just gonna put it bluntly. I do not agree with you.Out of the chapters where its hard for Gilliam to contribute in the early game you have:12 - you literally sit him in the fort and have franz/Garcia pick off bandits3 - lots of chokepoints for him to defend4- the middle of the map is a chokepoint where he just enemy phases almost the entire map 5- his most important job here is to tank Joshua, otherwise this is another map with key chokepoints for him to defend6- one of the only maps that doesn’t directly cater to him and even then the mountains/fort act as a natural chokepoint in an otherwise open ended map so he can still be useful7- the only map he has trouble with because of the travel distance but still full to the brim of chokepoints meaning you can rescuedrop and hes the ideal ballista bait8- he basically has the entire right side of the map covered on his own, while you move the rest of your army through the leftThe only argument I see here is>but SethBut if you were LTCing to begin with then I do not see how we can even bring characters like Franz or Vanessa to the table since we’re just using seth. Like if we use this argument, then the comparsion point becomes>well vanessa and franz have movement and can rescue dropWhile the rest of the units you actually train and use are either late game prepromotes or units with high base stats.You’d never use any other type of units under these assumptions because Seth literally covers all bases early game.And just as a disclaimer, I am not saying Gilliam is some sort of god mode character or that he’s better than Vanessa, I am saying everything is based purely on a gameplay preference standpoint. If the idea of not feeding all the exp to seth is so alien to you then call it some sort of sethless challenge mode i do not care, I am simply stating the facts I see.
>>738541275Because you havent given them enough supports
>>738541254Making them mediocre at both
>>738541367It comes with forts
>>738541373>tank JoshuaPretty important in the nip version, because he will attack Natasha there
>>738541396I'm not whoring them
>>738541432what do forts have to do with fucking anything you guys DID use Rutger....... right?
>>738541404>mediocre>At using stavesNo, strategist is the best staff class. The combat's also good.
>>738541275>pegs have the best mobility in the game>still end up putting them in archer attack rangeLess of a skill issue and more retardation at this point
>>738541530/v/ told me he's le bad because a youtuber said he's good and my eternal state of mind is to be contrarian so we had to bench him
Armored girls got me actin' unwise
>>738541530It has to do with infinite hp and exp
>>738541616He is overrated, there's nothing that you ever need him for and he has a lot of downsides.
>>738541676You don't ever need Melady for anything either
>>738540327>if you avoid SacaeI'm glad you gave me this perspective anon, I didn't think of it that way. Maybe I should feed Thea a bit then.
>>738541187we forced them to sign the plaza accords>>738541373Oswin actually fucking does stuff because he's a retardedly high level 9 when everyone else is part of retard patrol and basically Owsin, Marcus and Hector are the only 3 who can do anything. Gilliam is just straight up retard squad and at 4 ma he isn't worth using compared to the other members of retard squad because like Kyle, Venessa or Franz can go and get villages and shit. All Gilliam can do is chip an enemy and then take a retarded amount of damage because he's not Oswin
>>738541717You need her for the best ending
>>738541635t. mage girl
>>738541541>No, strategist is the best staff class. Nigga, that's Maid. Objectively.Their combat is pretty poor too with 0/0 HP and defense growths, and -3/-6 less base in the same than DK. In fact, Strategist has the lowest defense and HP bases in all of Fates. Rock bottom combat class, frankly.Just say you don't like reclassing Elise.
>>738541646what the fuck could you possibly need infinite exp for. did you guys level Wolt to 20 or something???>>738541676none of this matters given chapter 5 is a map where he's a free deployment
>>738529764The Baron class in GotHW,Thracia776, and Shadows of Valentia are awesome.
>>738541906+1 MOV mogs.
>>738541742Why is it that when you try to debate here almost nobody actually tries to address the points you made and goes on a complete egotrip spouting buzzwords, making vague statements and making points that you either agree with already or are irrelevant to what you said?
>>738541914Maybe, didn't Wolt pop off in one of the relays
>>738541373>balista bait bruh, neimi could tank those shit ass balistas. Choke pointing is something plenty of weaker characters can do in SS. Eirika could do it with a vulnerary and she's awful.The reason no one likes armor knights is that their game feel is horrific compared to your listed examples. Franz can move 7 tiles, canto, can use multiple weapon types even if they arent useful its still satisfying to see versatility in that sense. It feels good to use cavaliers. Gilliam doesnt have that. What feels good about armor knights? They move slowly, they dont double, they get doubled sometimes, they cant get rescued, they cant canto, they get 1 weapon type, they dont tend to dodge, etc. Gilliam isnt even that much more tanky than the average shitter.Vanessa can fly, you dont need any better gameplay feel. She could have 1 strength and still feel just as satisfying to use.
Knights and Generals are at their best in games where they can be rescue-dropped, because that does the best to circumvent their low move problem, enabling them to take full advantage of their stats. This ironically works against a lot of the bulkier ones in GBA emblem because no one can pick them up. Swap is also an underrated movement skill that's functionally move+1.
>>738541938Baron is the class I want to come back the most. Although listing SoV is weird because they're basically just Generals there. I'm talking specifically about wanting armored mages.
>>738541969Uh, what? They have the same movement as any other mounted class.
>>738542072He's saying +1 mov compared to maids
>>738541906>MaidHas less mov and doesn't grant inspiration. The only thing you might want from meido is S rank staves for Bifrost (aka a 1 time gimmick at endgame).
>>738541187Isekai is a fucking ancient genre in anime. You can go all the way back in the 80s with Aura Battler Dunbine being incredibly popular and the 90s had stuff like Lamune, Rayearth, Wataru and Granzort as examples from the mecha genre.That "retard" will blame it on le globohomo when in reality, its a case of the economic bubble burst among other socioecononic factors that caused anime to shift towards focusing purely on what sells over what looks cool/auteur type shit. That's why more than ever we have a lot of anime adaptations and isekai narou type spam because that's what sells to the modern that they care about (Japan). The biggest difference on the western end is that its far easier to access weekly stuff instead of us getting access to specially curated stuff that appealed to "western sensibilities" or just generic "cool". That is why you have so many people thinking that Akira/Cowboy Bebop/etc are representative of the medium when on the other hand we have stuff like Love Hina, Ranma, Urusei Yatsura and so on.
>>738542010Wolt has been trained in every relay and he has sucked ass in every relay
>>738529998based langrisser enjoyer.
>>738541969>>738542123It's +2 mov compared to meido, aktually
>>738542137Bifrost is a pretty cool gimmick though. It's a one time Again staff in a map where you need it the most. That said it's also very easy to Arms Scroll.
>>738542137They're both really shit combat classes. As support classes, it's whatever.
>>738541373>but SethIt's true, Seth could do those things, but what I really want to say here is that FE8 was truly the first game where trying to feed too many base class units early fucks them all over pretty hard. You can train 3, maybe 4 of the pre-split base units (I'm not couinting Kyle/Forde here), but beyond that you're probably spreading too thin (or slowing down for degeneracy) and they'll get mogged by post-split units.
>>738542010He was supposed to be "cracked" at one point, but people realized he still sucked. In fact, he was worse than Klein despite being extremely blessed.
>>738531628are we really gonna start doing the "her poor back!" thing for guys too now?
>>738531423next game needs to go all in on this trope. give me a character who's personal skill is something like "if HP is less than 15, +30 Avo, if HP is more than 30, -10 Avo"
Cute girl
>>738542029None of what you said argues literally anything I said. I literally broke my post into early chapters just to spoonfeed you. Tell me how the fuck its not risky to tank Joshua with Franz for example? Or how you are even insinuating either of the mentioned characters have similar bulk? More importantly you cherrypicked the ONE chapter where I literally said he has trouble in and his best contributions are ballista bait or being rescuedropped into a chokepoint.Also where the FUCK do you even get that he can’t be rescued you fucking imebcile? Vanessa has 15 aid Gilliam has 14 con. Are you actually basing yourself on promoting him into a General instead of Great Knight which isn’t even the first half of the game? Is this how you retards “debate”?
>>738542428>Rosado when he sees cock
>>738542428Cute trap
>>738542430It's not risky to tank Joshua with Seth at all. You just unequip him.
>>738542430If you're playing JP just tank Joshua with Seth. What the fuck do you need Gilliam for? That dude is a gigashitter.
>>738542202If you're planning to use bifrost you'd be better off capturing a maid to have an S rank staff user.
>>738542575Sure, whatever.
>>738542004Why are you gay?Oswin is a good unit because he's level 9 when everyone else is level 2. Gilliam isn't any better than Franz, Venessa or Garcia when you get him and he makes the game harder because he is so fucking slow. Kyle has the same base defense and a fucking horse
>>738542262The characters that are worthwhile to train besides him in the early game chapters are>Garcia>Ross>Vanessa>Franz>Lute>ArturIf we are considering having a well balanced army he is quite literally only competing with either Franz or Vanessa. Past threads have already pointed out the pros and cons of Gilliam vs Franz and I think the pros and cons of Vanessa are pretty fucking clear.I think its pretty hyperbolic to stretch the argument that he is supremely worse than Franz or Vanessa when their early game performance is completely different for each of those characters.Also nobody fucking answered me why Oswin and Gilliam are even being compared. Identical stats aside they are on two different games and serve different purposes. Oswin is basically a Jeigan, Gilliam is more of a standard growth unit.
>>738542202You must keep in mind that Elise doesn't have any reason to be the one to use Bifrost, too. You get three potential users for free, and you can always capture more or reclass other characters who actually want to be into meido.
Fire Emblem is a chance game, not a skill game
>>738542710Garcia is better and I brought that up when this topic came up.
>>738542036Oswin is both worth rescue dropping and Rath and multiple fliers can rescue drop him. Gilliam just sucks dick and you don't have as many rescue drop option in SS, or at least not many that are worse at combat than fucking gilliam
>>738542732Luck is a skill
>>738542732When you're bad at it, yeah.
>>738542710>I think its pretty hyperbolic to stretch the argument that he is supremely worse than Franz or VanessaHe is supremely worse than both of those characters. That might be underselling it, even.
>>738529764I always loved the way this suit of armor looked
>>738542732I once missed 9 95% hits and lost the game because a 1% crit with 5% hit hit me
>>738542157the jpy went to shit when the asset bust happened and anime was forced to be more of an export product to make up for the fact that japanese autists alone couldn't support the whole market via vhs tapes like they could in the 80s and early 90s, retardo
>someone ITT is actually trying to compare franz to fucking GILLIAM>he's been at it for days at this pointHow do you fags always get into the most ridiculous arguments?
Any inspiring eceleb anons should just copy the arguments made in these threads and put them in video format desu.
>>738529998>t. late 90s Blizzard dev
>>738542746Garcia is worth using with him because of their support bonuses which helps Gilliam enemy phase way better and can be built up early, but both fully grown garcia isn’t better, hes just your archer with a handaxe after promotion assuming you didn’t make him into a hero but I believe Garcia is a much better fit into a supportive role.
>>738542710>Oswin and Gilliam are even being compared. Identical stats aside they are on two different games and serve different purposes. Oswin is basically a Jeigan,because OsGOD is one of the few examples of a good armor knight and after using OsGOD gilliam and his bitch ass 9 defense is a let down
>>738543053Of course you make him a Hero, what the fuck?
>>738542974Nobody has actually posted a tangible argument against that anon yet.
>>738543053>assuming you didn’t use Garcia's only viable promotion option to not be perma-benchjuice
>>738542987What makes you think most of this thread isn’t cattle from some midwit eceleb?
>>738543083>OsGOD is one of the few examples of a good armor knightArmor knights are consistently good, sometimes even the best like in the Archanea remakes
>>738543182Armors aren't the best in either DS remake
>>738542954just think, if you'd used weaker more accurate weapons for 2 of those attacks you would've won. Bronze Swords save runs.
Only scrubs can't see the power emanating from Gilliam's armor
>>738542430Im explaining to you why no matter how many vague arguments about "choke points r gud" you make, it will not make armors feel good to use. Being ballista bait is a great example of shit that literally anyone in the cast can do and they all feel better than gilliam. Every argument you make is basically equivalent to being ballista bait in terms of usefulness besides exactly joshua.>b-but vanessa can rescue him!!Vanessa and seth for that matter have better shit to do than babysit gilliam so he can "chokepoint"Lets take a second to talk about "defending" which you bring up in chapter 3, 4, and 5. In 3, all the combat takes place over walls or you can just bait combat 1 at a time. Dont need any defending. In 4 after the initial rush (which you can just split up btw) you can again just take the enemies at your own pace and even eirika could do the job of baiting at that point. Don't need defending after like turn 2. On chapter 5 seth can tank joshua. It takes like 4 turns to get gilliam and natasha in position, so lets see about those chokes he can defend.>1 fighter>1 soldier and eventually an archerWow, thank fucking god we have gilliam to defeat a soldier that level 1 lute with a vulnerary could have handled. Btw, besides the archer, they dont even fucking MOVE unless you bait them. THREE CHEERS FOR GILLIAM! Defending us from stationary enemies!
>>738543171About half of it is indeed as you say, but the other half is arguments that you'd see nowhere else due to herd mentality preventing them from gaining traction.
>>738542710I think Artur is a bit debatable because of how fragile he is, but I would definitely say Neimi is worth it, especially if you're also training Garcia, and, even though I don't consider him a training project, you should be keeping Colm up to speed with chip and occasional kills because he does all the stealing up to chapter 14, and ideally beyond that too.
>>738542428Why did she have to be so dogshit? The enemies are just too strong and fast for her to handle
>>738543231>FE11Wolf and Sedgar break the game by turning into armors>FE12Armor Kris is the most reliable way of beating the game
The early chapters were also brought up when this topic first came up. It was extensively proven that there's basically NO fucking reason to use Gilliam with his shitty hitrates against nothing but fucking Axe users.
>neimi
>>738543112>>738543098What benefits does garcia gain from using a sword?What is 2 more speed going to contribute to his base 7 speed with 20% speed growth? Like what speed threshold do you think he can reach here? Keep in mind that a 20/20 garcia has base 16 speedBoth promotion paths can use the handaxe
>>738543406Better than Gilliam. Armorfags have it rough.
>>738543275Are we supposed to think Gilliam is bad when you are only saying positive things about him and can't think of any negative?
>>738543275cooked that retarded hog
>>738543348>FE11Warp breaks it harder and more easily>FE12Armor knight is a prologue tool and situational main game tool at best
>>738543417>What is a free speed wing compared to a useless iron bow
>>738543417I agree with this. That speed is not going to make nearly as much difference as having an effective option against fliers will.
>>738543275Yes, the stationary nature of enemies in FE8 compared to the other fire emblem games does make armors less important I think.
>>738543501>WarpWho will you warp>Prologue toolYou need to make it past the prologue, and stacking defense in the main game is also the safest way to beat Lunatic Reverse
>>738543417>>738543531>Auto C Swords for WTC>A free speedwing on a unit with iffy speed that can be combined with GarmOR>a bow to beat enemies that he generally trounces on with hand axes anyway
Reminder that armor knights are the strongest.
>>738543653>who will you warpBoss killer and Marth>stacking defense in the main game is also the safest way to beat Lunatic ReverseFactually incorrect
>>738543706Holy shit, sign me up for that Iron Bow.
>>738543360Being able to lose a 1v1 to a generic axe fighter in 2 turns if he misses one time. Sausage, Gilliam-sama.
>>738543746>Boss killer and MarthThat's a risky plan, especially with how strong the bosses are in FE11. I'd rather have something more reliable, like unkillable armors.>no argument against stacking defense in FE12Kek
>>738543706>can be combined with GarmWarrior can do this too, and sooner because of promo gains.
>>738543721>guaranteed critsHe isn't wrong
>>738529764I like niggas in heavy armor. It's stupid but cool. Japan only likes skinny nigas with swords, though which is fine but heavy armor niggas feel like they're just there to be fodder. When you can make heavy armor functional, aesthetic and have it in gameplay, that's peak.
>>738543920??? 90% of the bosses in FE11 are cavaliers or armors that you can kill for free with Caeda. Play the game before replying to me again.
>>738542428*lowers the avoid of horny men then does 5x2 damage*
>>738543868Still better than Franz
Are we really arguing about the viability of units in the easiest game in the series where you could just solo with seth until the other prepromotes show up and then cruise to the finish?
>>738544057Both are shit lol
>>738544027>MissWhat now?
>>738544181Seth can only dream about tanking as well as Gilliam can
relay??
>>738543463That anon is doing the exact opposite. He is only pointing out the negative things by bringing up SethHe’s also assuming he cannot be rescuedropped
>>738529764Kind of like asking how muck dakka is too much.
>>738544250We need a shadows of valentia relay please that game is so chill
>>738544297No
>>738544297Nah
I hate /v/
>>738544113>easiest game in the series>that /vfeg/ still cant ironman
>>738544281I have never seen someone that brings up "b-but Rescuedrop!" acknowledge that it costs 2 other turns to do that. It's not free in the slightest.
>>738544323she's from Awakening actually
>>738544343>doesnt use tankGOD>WHY CANT WE BEAT THE GAMEI'm noticing a pattern
>>738544365You can rescuedrop easily in a simgle turn
>>738544365And you dont even get to act after the rescue drop so its really negating 3 units turns
>>738544427We used Gilliam in the last relay actually and he was trash and the run still got *d
>>738544439Not exactly, as a 4 MOV unit you generally wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway, so you can't have lost a turn you wouldn't have had.
>>738544470I wasn't there for Gilliam so I don't believe you. I bet he was 5 levels behind every enemy
>>738544548He got promoted actually and was really awful even then
>>738544365>what is down time?
>>738544250I would play but I already took a recent chapter. Next map is easy as hell, its the pirate map 17xhttps://files.catbox.moe/2ydo03.sav
>>738544594I bet he was early promoted at the end game
>>738530086This. A single well-executed ballistic plate can make you feel way tankier than the most ridiculously over-exaggerated WoW-looking full plate mail that does nothing but make your armour number go up.Third post best post.
>>738544614You're proving my point you dumbfuck.
>>738529998Aww yiss
>>738543516>>738543706>ITS A FREE SPEEDWING>I AM COMPLETELY FUCKING BLIND TO THE STATS YOU ONLY HAVE TO SAY ITS A SPEEDWINGI am I actually debating with a neaderthal?>>738544365What are you doing in the first 2 turns of chapter 5? Does your Franz teleport into position and is he capable of tanking 3 units at once including Joshua?>SethOkay so you’re gonna unequip seth and have him tank joshua and 2 other guys turn 1, how is he getting there turn 1?>>738544548He was essentially griefed and killed to prove a “point” just like we do with every unpopular unit that anons attempt to “use” to prove their point…errr sorry their favorite youtubers point.This is why we use Wyvern Elise
Just took my estrogen pill, time to play Engage!
>>738544502>as a 4 mov unit you generally wouldn't have been able to do anything anywaySomeone please frame this post on armorfags wall
>>738544640>but I already took a recent chapterYeah like 5 of them
I like when the enemy crits and I take 0 damage
>>738544640Unless you literally did the last chapter just play it. Run's dying otherwise
>>738544702Who the fuck uses joshua anyways? I always just kill that shitter for the exp
>>738544702What did he mean by this? Is +2 to his biggest problem stat not a huge deal compared to a shit bow?
>>738532313I wish Blizzard designs looked half that good.
>>738544768Killing Edge is good to have.
>>738544763>I like when the enemy critsAverage armorfag """strategy"""
>>738544548>i wasnt there for my scrimblo it doesnt count!!!Shanna still carried the fe6 run even after being neglected for 6 chapters after joining
>>738544835What happened to Rutger?
Can we discuss tomboys please?
>>738544903No
>>738544903Leonie is a good unit.
>>738544870Weird way to spell Miledy
>>738544882Someone put poison in his mutton
>>738544903>Fit with abs and biceps>MASSIVE titsWhat does she eat?
>>738544680You're imagining a scenario where mounted units have things to do besides moving on literally every single turn. Maps don't work like that in reality.
>>738529764The perfect shape is a sphere.Thus, until you are a cannonball, you do not have too much armour.
>>738538390lol did you coliseum grind every single unit?
>>738544991Is this how armorfags see fire emblem maps?>>738545000>>738540000
>>738544991You're imagining a scenario where it's ever good to spend your turn ferrying Gilliam, much less deploying units you have to ferry to even do anything. Maps don't work like that in reality, units have better things to do with their time and you should deploy better units.
>>738544903It's a shame a generation of them have been assaulted by perverts who want them to change gender instead of allowing simply girls to not fit neatly into the girliest stereotypes.
How much sex is the birthday girl getting today?
>>738544803Are you actually fucking retarded? I even said how 20/20 hero garcia has 16 speed. What are you trying to outspeed? A zombie? Pretty sure he does that at base.Also what about Garm? Warrior can use it too. Are you trying to imply you need the +2 speed from hero so he is able to double skeletons at endgame?On a character like Garcia where you have the highest con in the game, speed is a threshold stat for you, not something you need to max out.
>>738545084You are not enemy phasing with rescue bots anyway and all the exp is going to Lute
I will never understand why Fire Emblem discussions became this competitive event where everybody slap fights over how efficient their play style is.
Which FE boy makes the best human toilet?
>>738545281Dumb people ragebait for attention is my guess.
>>738545303I've wet myself thinking about Dimi abusing my womb so my vote is he
>>738545281Because instead of exchanging good strategies, fags want to insist that they're better than everyone else.
>>73854521821 speed is better than 19. Qed.
A lord sucked these
>>738545095Felix...
>>738545415>the good strategy: >>738543868
>>738545084Since you didn’t respond to my post lets try with chapter 5 again. What are you doing turn 1 if using horse emblem?Positioning, you aren’t attacking anything.What do you do turn 1 if using Gilliam? You fucking ferry him to position him, you have THREE HIGH MOVEMENT UNITS TO DO THIS WITH AND ONE GOES ABOVE WALLS, wow so many wasted turns I can’t believe how retarded I was, I could have done this so much faster with franz since Gilliam takes 4 turns to get to the stairs if I place him literally the furthest away in deployment I am so stupid. I just have to let franz get mogged by everything in the map because the most important thing to do in fire emblem is move as far ahead as possible every single turn!
>>738545462She's secretly a main character in FE7 with more importance than Lyn
>>738545218>20/20>in fucking fe8
>>738545496You could just put him on the fort, you know?
>>738545454Again, what are you trying to outspeed? Also are you trying to say Garcia is 20/20 by endgame?
>>738545525Why am I following the timeline of events from some dude bad at Fire Emblem? You bait Joshua on turn 1. You rescue drop Natasha so she's in range to talk to Joshua next turn.
>>738545303Ashe...Yuri...
>>738545579No but 2 speed is better than 0 speed. Qed. Speed thresholds are a spectrum.
>>738545567What does that have to do with the point being made? Or are you just trying to distract from the point being made since you lost the argument?I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are capable of reading. Otherwise I’d just call you an inbred retard, you’re certainly acting like one.
>>738545576That'll help the 65% hitrate. A shame we don't have any units with swords that would be more accurate and we have to use Gilliam here.
>>738545532Without her Roy wouldn't survive into adulthood (15)
>>738545303Gilliam
>>738545725If that's your issue, you can also hand Gilliam the Slim Lance. It's not Vanessa's personal weapon, after all.
>>738545787That'll have to do, again, it's just too bad we don't have 3 units with 100% hitrate that could deal with this instead.
>>738545303Stahl
>>738545725We got Seth but he is busy making Eirika feel good behind a mountain in a forest
>>738545821It's reliable and safe, having a grudge against Gilliam does not make putting him on the fort a bad strat.
>>738545821I can smell the sissy on you.
>>738545883>making Eirika feel goodnever knew Seth was into reciting poetry about how cool Ephraim is.
>>73854569320/20 is a pointless metric to bring up, especially in a game as short as fe8's campaign.A more reasonable and relevant comparison would be Warrior's 10 Spd at 20/1 vs Hero's 12 Spd. How about you completely glossing over Warrior Garcia being functionally impossible to rescue because of his massive con stat whereas Hero can still be rescued by a few units.
>>738545525>franz gets mogged by these guys. we need gilliamDude its like 4 axefags and a soldier, gilliam is gonna get raped.>>738545532Every time she dies, the relay dies with her
>armorfag's response to having to fight a single generic brigand is slim lance gilliam on a fort taking 3 turns to maybe kill itLMAO!!!
>>738545941Yeah, what makes that a bad idea is the hitrate.
>>738545618>you bait joshua turn 1>bait joshua on TURN 1>>738545668Have you or the other anon I am replying to looked at a single little bit of data to back your arguments up? Cause I am positive you havent. Do you even know how much speed a skeleton in Darkling woods chapter has and that is a generous baseline I am using cause its much worse for him in the mid game>>738545821You are arguing dishonestly. Every single post talking about this chapter is screaming at you that gilliam is there to take hits and deal chip in return, nobody is asking you to one round, they are telling you to help eirika, Garcia and franz kill shit so they get levels.If you were determined enough you can also just feed these to Gilliam, he is in no fucking danger on that screenshot. Nobody is struggling on that chapter.
>>738546042What, too scared to reply? Let me ask you a question, actually: do you use Vanessa for combat on this same chapter?
>>738546072>Do you even know how much speed a skeleton in Darkling woods chapter hasNo because anyone with a brain warpskips it
I will always listen to a nip player over the brown mongs that populate these threads.
>>738546072Just because you don't know how to do it doesn't mean it's impossible. Try counting the tiles?
>>738546042>armorGODS get more exp per enemyIs this bad because?
why do you guys like bors but you dont like gilliam who is objectively better and in an easier game?
>>738545389Can't believe in the end the fang gets her.
>>738546072>Have you or the other anon I am replying to looked at a single little bit of data to back your arguments up?My data is more speed is better than less speed. Warrior is hero with less speed and a useless gimmick weapon. Hero Garcia doubles more enemies and is therefore the superior promotion option.
>>738546163Bors will double in chapter 20 but real reason is his chin
>>738546163I like both
>>738546163I hate both
>>738546028You are stupid. You think I brought that up as a metric? i am done talking with you. The way you “debate” is just being fucking dishonest.>>738546040If you bait them all with seth “””turn 1””” yes you’re gonna have them all on your ass as you recruit Joshua with natasha since you want to unequip seth so he doesn’t accidentally kill joshua.If you are actually approaching the map strategically though, you’re actually more so baiting like 2 axefags and joshua. Then whoever baited that chokes the bandit reinforcements from the east and north.
>>738545389I use nino every time I replay fire emblem 7. I know shes kind of shit, but she has such a sad story and such an amazing attitude that I can't just bench her. I always use the unfortnite or le tragic backstorié units in these games. Arthur, Oboro, Lucius, Nino, Linde, Kurt. They feel like more motivated characters than anyone besides the main lord.
>>738546317Seth doesn't double Joshua, dude. Joshua can take a Seth hit. This is why I said I'm not gonna take a timeline of events of someone that's bad at Fire Emblem. You're just talking shit about something you've never even tried. Joshua even has enough LUK to avoid facing CRIT.
>>738546317What the fuck are you even talking about? How is seth baiting joshua turn 1? Why would you even need to do that? Gilliam is gonna get spitroasted by everyone there
The only people who hate armor knights are brainwashed people ready to cut their dicks off to follow their favorite LTC cultist
>>738546142You don’t want to bait turn 1 with seth unless your objective is to kill Joshua>>738546116You are dodging the point being made. Dishonesty at its finest. This is the critical thinking skills of the zoomer generation, we really did a number on the american educational system. I hope europeans aren’t this dumb.
>>738546432>everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi
>>738546432>no argument just seetheKek armorfags lost
>>738546484What is critical thinking about remembering a speed number on enemies that get mogged to shit by your army anyways?
>>738546484>>738546391
Every relay proves that very few anons are any good at this game. The arguments made itt are made by niggers with the overall section of the wiki pulled up for easy cross referencing.
>>738546117
Armors are goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UuGlI-tfgo
Is it time for a relay to compare fe8 units?Place your betsVanessa > TanaFranz > ShitlliamColm > JoshuaArtur > LuteRoss > Raven
>>738546410Alright lets go over the posts again since you can’t read>>738546072This post is in disbelief that someone is implying that you “bait joshua turn 1” in the post it is replying to.>>738546142This post is saying that its possible and to try counting the tiles completely missing the point.>>738546410Now you are backpedaling here, assuming you are the same as the previous anon and saying “why would you bait turn1”.Now since there seems to be some brain activity going on there atm, since you aren’t baiting turn 1, tell me why its impossible for Gilliam to be used as bait in the same timely fashion as Seth on this map. You should be able to tell me why its impossible isn’t impossible.
>>738546689My Youtuber beats yours actually though >>738540956
>>738546742Nuh uh, mine is better, cooler, more handsome and popular
>>738546729Are you illiterate? Unable to distinguish between two different posting styles? Funny for someone complaining about reading comprehension.
>>738546724I think it's time to play FE7 again
>>738546850no
>>738538569/a/ changed radically about a decade ago, most of that board is genuinely brown, the last time I checked in the /dbs/ threads half of the posts were in Spanish
>>738546724Raven isn't in SS
>>738546729Because Gilliam has like 10 defense. And he doesnt kill the axefags for 3 turns so Natasha wont be safe. And he has to tank these axefags for multiple turns. And he has bad hit rates on the axes.
>>738546932Are we now pretending as if Dragon Deez Balls was ever not popular in central and south America?
>>738546724Its time for your lazy ass to pick up the FE7 relay
>>738546951you can just use seth for that. just because you're using gilliam doesn't mean you have to bench seth, instead bench franz ross and neimi who are probably doing much less than your 2 best units.
>>738546724>scrimblo dies>relay splits>no one picks anything I love wasting time and not having fun because anon will kill any character he doesn't like as an accident to bait others into ruining the relay
>Completely ignores the point made about Warrior Garcia being impossible to rescue because his feelings were hurtAre you the same person that sperged out over Ignatius + Iron Lance?Warrior!Garcia has 10 AS at 20/1 and 12 at 20/10. You are literally forced to use Garm or else face a real possibility of getting doubled by generic Heroes, Mage Knights, etc on top of hovering at some very dangerous AS thresholds that can make or break him being doubled by bosses that Hero completely avoids in its entirety. This is also on NA FE8 Hard where enemies roll 2 less levels than their JP counterpart.
>>738546580Because we are talking about Garcia’s speed and using an endgame speed value as an example while also pointing out how horrendous Garcias speed is at 20/20 even as a hero, to the point where he wouldn’t even be able to double a skeleton in that chapter without Garm. So even with real metrics for that chapter or any before it Garcia is never going to fucking double anything other than the slowest shit. Hence why making him into a Hero for “the free speedwing” is a fucking waste and hence why I say Garcia is more of an archer with a handaxe and a supportive role for the characters that can make use of it such as GILLIAM, Ross or NEIMI thanks to his fire affinity.I doubt you actually read the reply chain but I’ll spoonfeed you assuming you aren’t that fucking dumb to understand it.>>738546819>Posting styles is reading comprehensionLook in the mirror. You seem to be refusing to read the reply chain.
>>738544297https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6daE8Rt5Ps
>>738547097The petty slapfights and drama are the only reason to even bother with relaying piss easy GBA fire emblem games for the 1000th time.
Hero Garcia is better because he can use the Steel Blade
>>738547148Why would I when he's linking a bunch of shit that has nothing to do with me on some crackpot theory? My claim is clear.
>>738547148Recalling numbers isnt critical thinking.>incoming giant text wall of sperging
>/v/ min max a 20years old kids game part 4832Grow up and post girls
>>738547074You can use Gilliam too and if you are using him which you would if you are using him for this, he gets more exp while seth can handle the left side or visit houses.Its not really a point of why wouldn’t you use seth or not. Gilliam would have the same or more defense at this point as well
>>738547257>i want to fuck the drawing because no white woman irl will ever look at me post #3494693437i'll take the min max autism please
>>738547298This is Sacred Stones after all, where scrimbloGODs think every character gets 2 levels a chapter and you promote at 20/1 by the route split.
>>738547097More like the catty bitches in these threads will throw a fit whenever someone plays a way they don't like, which is why there's been maybe 1 relay total completed in the last 6 months.
>>738547218I am not sure what “claim” your talking about but if its the contesting point in this argument which is to say hero > warrior garcia, then your claim would be objectively wrong.If your claim is that 21 speed is better than 19 or that you warskip darkling woods then you are arguing with nobody because nobody is contesting this.
>>738547218Hes very confused that multiple people in the thread disagree with him about gilliam. He would be shocked to hear that you can actually bench everyone in the game besides seth and eirika and ephraim and a few pre-motes.>>738547298>handle the left sideYou mean those enemies that dont move?
>>738547426Nigga I never even talked about Gilliam in any of those posts and you're also calling me out on reading comprehension? What the fuck is wrong with you stupid motherfuckers? Use your fucking head.
>>738547148A lot of enemies in Darkling Woods hover between 8-13 Spd on NA Difficult before weapon weight. 16 Spd allows him to comfortably double almost everything on the map.So yes, the 2 speed actually does make a difference.
>>738547395My way of playing is objectively superior and I will not tolerate retardation. Deal with it.
>>738547257Still wouldn't
>>738547373I'm not putting my dick in ugly hag pussy
GOONERGODS ALWAYS WIN
>>738547148>while also pointing out how horrendous Garcias speed is at 20/20 even as a heroI don't get this argument. His speed being bad is an issue with him as a character, but it's not like this is Fates where you're equipping wary fighter to make it irrelevant. Having more speed is better both offensively and defensively regardless.
>>738547395Its a miracle we were able to have like 10-15 concurrent relays at all. I remember the OP being a clusterfuck of completed games and ongoing runs. People fighting over posting the save stack. Etc.
Annette thread next please
>second threads hits bump limitsWhat is up with armorGODS making ltrannyc go crazy in these threads?
>>738547486it's cute how you try to reframe this as a choice on your part and not the cope it blatantly is
>>738547387That is chapter 5, Gilliam can get 1 level max 2 if you feed him the boss kill in 1. He can get more than 1 level in 4, assuming you aren’t feeding him since he potentially takes more than 2 round to ko bandits>>738547254You could just walk away from the conversation and admit you had no clue what was being talked about instead of pretending you have some sort of intellectual high ground for being a moron and giving baseless moronic takes.
>>738547429The very beginning of this conversation actually addresses the solo with seth point. It even says “if you cannot imagine a scenario where you don’t feed every kill to seth then just see it as a sethless challenge run”Also you still have to get to those enemies. We are doing this “without wasting turns” right? We are using seth after all
>>738547653"This is the critical thinking skills of the zoomer generation, we really did a number on the american educational system. I hope europeans aren’t this dumb."You sound like a facebook grandpa
>>738547643I wouldn't break the law and go for young pussy and I'd be you wouldn't want that either
>>738547470Where did you read Gilliam in the post you replied to?>>738547471>>738547536Yeah the problem, which you seem to have somehow been blind to again, is that 16 speed is his speed at 20/20 hero. It was brought up as a metric to show that Garcia was never going to double anything other than the slowest things at any point in the game, unless of course you get lucky rolling speed with a 20% roll
>>738547763Amazing comeback. You sure showed him how bad my fire emblem skills are
>>738547908I meant Garcia. I was thinking about Gilliam so my fingers typed that instead. Happens.
>>738547763>this is /v/ when faced with the inevitability of having to back up their arguments
>>738547763Owned that boomer
>>738548017So why were you replying to posts talking about garcia promotion path? Did you see “+2 speed is bad” and suddenly thought you needed to reply how wrong that guy was without even understanding the context? Are you a monkey?
>>738548126Wow, it's almost like a post can contain multiple subjects and people can reply independently to different parts of it if they so choose.
>>73854790816 speed is enough to double lots of FE8 enemies. Lots of enemies that wouldn't be doubled with 14, too. Is your issue that 2 more speed doesn't *feel* like a big enough number? Because every point of speed does mean additional enemy+weapon combos that can be doubled or avoid being doubled by. I don't know where you got this idea that speed is so all-or-nothing.
>>738547772SHE WAS ONLY 1000 YEARS OLD YOU SICK FUCK
>>738543775 bread
>>738548161No the post had one subject. YOU made it about “multiple subjects” because you didn’t read and now you’re just trying to save face.>>738548167Did you miss the part where its 16 speed at 20/20? Again?He will have even less throughout the game.
>>738547908>Have been blind toSomeone literally fucking brought up his 20/1 speed values in this thread and you got your panties in a bunch over it. This is why I hate talking to disingenious retards like you.Warrior Garcia is ungodly slow and you are literally exposing him to being doubled by a non insigificant amount of enemies (take a quick gander at how many enemies in 8 have 14+ AS in the last third) while also making him functionally impossible to rescue because every promoted mount in FE8 has 15 or less Aid.
>>738548307You're just repeating this number over and over but not explaining why I should prefer something smaller. You don't seem very intelligent.
Are people really min maxing FE8's Garcia of all the things they could be min maxing?
>>738548307No, stupid motherfucker, you jumped into this conversation of me telling someone you can bait Joshua on turn 1 and did what you're saying I did. What a fucking weirdo you are.
>>738548331Right so now that you bring up his 20/1 stats what is he doubling with 12 speed and at what point in the game.Also I am glad you bring up the AS, cause I wanna see how a 20/20 hero garcia or even a 20/1 one is doubling those without garm
Is it normal to have all characters be 5 levels behind the enemy in Engage lunatic?
>>738548469Is this your post?>>738548017If so I do not see how what you’re saying is in anyway even remotely true aside from the fact that I was having two different conversations. You still replied to the posts about Garcia and even pointed out you meant to say Garcia, not Gilliam.Are you confused or did you initially reply to the wrong post?
>>738548909Like I said, I was never talking about Garcia in any of those posts, nor did I reply to a post about Garcia. You were arguing about Garcia and replied to me.
>>738545389Look at her go!
>>738548469>two people in a conversation are retardedNot my problem. Not reading your leftist meme
>>738549082That's the conclusion I'd draw too. Frankly I don't know why you kept reading that shit.
>>738549019Then why would you say >I meant Garcia. I was thinking about Gilliam so my fingers typed that instead. Happens.
>pegfags making arguments for their suboptimal unitsShes cute and faste :))>armorfags making arguments for their suboptimal units
>>738548672>I wanna see how a 20/20 Garcia is doubling without GarmSee >>738547471>A 20/1 GarciaChapter 15 enemies have a wide variety of speed values ranging from 4 and scaling all the way up to 19 (Valter). It seems like many targets hover somewhere around 6 to 12, so 12 AS allows him to handle enemies up to 8 Speed, which is a little below average but not completely worthless.As for an example where the extra 2 speed actually does matter, Riev in Ch20 averages 12-13 AS, so Garcia needs 16-17 AS to double. 20/1 Garcia has exactly 17 AS with Garm on average.
>>738549307People were talking about Gilliam and shit.
>>738549339>suboptimalliterally the solo'd most maps.Started out slow but around Chapter 10 she got a couple points of STR and it was over.
>>738549374Which enemies thoughIts easy to say he can double a soldier or a general.He is not doubling the cavs, the fighters, the wyverns, etc with 12 speed.
hairy fe girl butts
>>738549784>which enemiesThere you go https://fireemblemwiki.org/wiki/Scorched_SandHave fun
>>738549813>>738549920you will never reproduce
>>738549759>almost lv capped unit>9 deflmao
>>738549985GilliamSCHOLARS assured me 9 defense is really good
>>738550053It's Oswin tier.
>>738549980Factually untrue. My son will be born next month and my wife keeps it all natural everywhere
>>738550053Ah my bad I didn't know you started with a lvl 19 prepromoted unit in FE6
>>738550129If I had a level 19 promoted unit a game where I could buy stat boosters she'd have better stats than that.
