>you need to run a chrome instance that eats up 4GB of RAM to run your gameswhy do we like Valve again?
>>738530050>why do we like Valve again?cheap and convenient
>>738530050>eats up 4GB of RAMBut enough about EGS.
>>738530050Oh noes. What am I going to do with 124GB of RAM free.Also, mine isn't even 512MB, and it's been running for almost 2 days. ~ 0 Get-ProcessLife steamsteam (23852): 1 day 17 hours 1 minute 28 secondssteamservice (30880): Start time not availablesteamwebhelper (668): 23 hours 9 minutes 26 secondssteamwebhelper (6704): 1 hour 32 minutes 53 secondssteamwebhelper (12420): 1 day 17 hours 1 minute 12 secondssteamwebhelper (14212): 1 day 17 hours 1 minute 13 secondssteamwebhelper (25032): 1 day 17 hours 1 minute 13 secondssteamwebhelper (30832): 1 day 17 hours 1 minute 14 secondssteamwebhelper (30920): 1 day 17 hours 1 minute 14 secondssteamwebhelper (31260): 1 day 17 hours 1 minute 14 seconds
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>>738530050Go back poorscum 32gb is the minimum amount of ram one should have for playing games in 2026
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>>738530703Bots are making these threads.
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>>738530751So quirky and original, never heard this one before.
>>738530050Modern software is so unbelievably shit it's not even funny, I'm sick of Electron apps. But no Steam doesn't use 4GB of RAM, it should use a lot less, but it's not 4GB.
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>>738530050Because we are NPCs and parrot whatever the Valve bots online are saying without applying an ounce of critical thinking.>Opinion on loot boxes?EA, Activision, Epic, Rockstar, etc. = BADValve = GOOD>Opinion on invasive DRM software?Origin, Battle.net, UPlay, Rockstar Launcher, GOG, Bethesda Launcher, Riot Launcher = BADSteam = GOOD>Opinion on software collecting telemetry and selling your data to third-partiesEverything that is not Steam = BADSteam = GOOD>Opinion on controllers?Microsoft, Playstation, Gamesir© = BADSteam controller = GOOD>Opinion on game prices?Epic Games AAA titles for $0 = BADSteam sale = GOODWith these levels of brainwashing, I feel like Valve is on-par with the psychological operations departement of the CIA. Or Valve fans are just THAT dumb.
>>738530050>he didn'ty boughted cheapest ram available for his shitbox that he has had for 15 years before the RAM crisis
What should they use instead? There's nothing that can replace web UIs and that isn't a sidegrade at best. The only clear upgrade would be to build from scratch your entire UI that is capable of mimicking web layout and play videos inline and do fanciful animations, and that's just too much effort for too little gain.
>>738530523Good answer.
>>738531503>GTK>QT>make their own UIbut Valve is a small indie company!!! they can't afford to do that!!!
>>738531503WebView2
>>738531668The store front it self can be a webview or something
>>738530302>But enough about EGS.That's funny because EGS also uses Chromium, the exact same thing Steam uses. So they're both RAM hogs of the same degree.
>>738530050>>you need to run a chrome instance that eats up 4GB of RAM to run your gamesWhat? mine doesn't.
>>738531503They should make a native client with lightweight UI rendering framework and all the constant security patches just for OP because he's still stuck on 4 gigs of ram o algo
>>738531668>GTK>QTBoth are bloated and neither is designed to be a webpage replacement. They're optimized for replacing program UIs, not for rendering long pages that are 20 screens tall.
>>738531795webview2 is also powered by chromium ever since microsoft gave up on their web engine
>>738531863Not just Epic and Valve, all of these game launchers are just chrome underneath
>>738531863That's funny because EGS is the most barebones pile of shit to exist and has no excuse for running so poorly.
>>738531915Or better yet expose a basic API so people make their own clients?
>>738531863Steam is the only one that provides a sensible small mode.
>4GBhuh?
>>738530050Good morning sir.
>>738532075The small mode is still running Chrome and the entire web engine. It's small as in "tiny window and few distractions," not small as in "small amount of resources used."
>>738530050Only one who won against Rothschild
chuds itt are like>but it is only like 1GBBut seriously, it is 650mb for me while being minimized. Why does it require so much while running in background?
>>738532209But nobody cares about resources. I care about not having to flip through web pages to browse my library.
>>738532279Because it has a built in web browser, the most bloated application known to mankind.
>>738532072I have a genuine questionLet's say if someone wants to make an alternative to steam client, just like egs has heroic launcher, what exactly dis stopping them from doing so right now?
>>738532258And by doing absolutely nothing
>>738532279OP is using a laptop with 4GB of memory
>>738532279>>but it is only like 1GBThen OP shouldn't have said 4GB.
I have a high end PC, and if I open the steam store on my browser it lags like crazy. I can't figure out why, all the coders are good at valve!
>>738530050because they made gaming on linux a thingthey've earned that ram
>>738532374I don't "know", but probably because you need to do some kind of account authentication to download and run games and access your account data and the like, and then do all kinds of secure transactions between payment providers and Steam if you want to buy games. None of this is exposed to developers so you'd have to hack and reverse engineer a ton of things to get even the basics of Steam to work.
Just turn off animations
>>738532481Why do you keep posting what is an obvious lie?Those jeets don't work at Valve. They put that in their LinkedIn profiles. Shills have no ethics.
>>738530523this comic is funny because it implies savages have self awareness
>>738530050Because you're poor, gaming on a console has always been a better, smoother experience.
>>738532545Why would a game magically use less RAM in Linux? It would only mean hitting the SSD more often instead of caching assets in RAM.
>>738532545Yeah but those games look like ass on loonix so I imagine they only consume less ram because they are not loading high res resources
>>738532279>State a quantifiably false claim>Get called out>Ch-ch-chuds!
>>738532719>Why would a game magically use less RAM in Linux?I think that's combined with system usage + all shit running in the background.
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>>738530523man these people were wild. I hate to ask out of curiosity but im wondering if each of these sacrifices actually guaranteed benefit anything
>>738532719because windows is a pile of shit and jeets just keep throwing more and more shit onto the pile without any consideration
>>738532831But there's literally no alternative to Windows.
>>738532719Because Windows 10/11 uses more resources by default than Linux. me thinks.
Fuck steam. It's why I never allowed it to start on windows startup. Play a game, after it's done, close (end task) steam.
>>738530302>>738531863>>738532061???
>>738530050>Jeet vibe coded apps use 5x as much resources as they should More at 11.
>>738531503They had VGUI before (back in CS1.6 and Source 1 era)
>>738532772>>738532867Yeah but look at Stalker 2 and Hogwarts Legacy the difference is over 10GB, makes no sense. If it was just the Windows 11 overhead it'd be consistent between the titles, and a lot less in the first place.
>>738532741>headcanon>>738532864no one is telling you to drop everything and move to linux you idiotyou can't get 100% but you sure as shit can get 90%
>>738532969I use WIndows 11 and it just works.™
>>738532864Yeah, there is and it's probably in your pocket. The majority of Internet users (75%+) are on Mobile, which uses android or iPhone as their OS. Guess where the majority of "gamers" use as well? Stop being retarded, and you might get Window's jeet cock out of your mouth eventually.
>>738532935Windows 11 literally has AI bolted on it
>>738533060But there's literally no alternative to Windows.
>>738530050>only 4GBlmao this nigga is poor
>>738533042except for the humiliation ritual you need to undergo to make it workable
>>738533112You guys do realize that just 6 years ago 16GB was a lot right?
>>738532935Those games are not loading high-assets on linux, probably because it is not supporting it
>>738533172you were asked to prove it several posts ago, retard
>>738530050The Steam community is just the place to be if you're a gamer. That's where all the cool kids are.
>>738533135I install, it works.>but what about the mods to make your taskbar into a sine wave that teleports around the screen, and removing shit that doesn't matter?I don't need to do that because I'm what you call a normal person. I can make eye contact while having a conversation, and I don't shriek when I can't watch The People's Court.>>738530050It's really not a lot of memory, considering.
>>738533234Not really, Reddit and Discord is where most people are at. The steam forums are just kinda there.
>>738533112That's exactly why I never used my first Steam Controller. And why I actually went as far as pirate games I already own on Steam, just so I could avoid that piece of crap hogging my performance.
>>738531878Its an obvious lie made by the Sweeney pedos
you can disable hw acceleration and all that bullshit in steam and the usage goes way down.
>>738533172>The linux version of game is low quality saar
>>738533206Here is the proof, I booted stalker 2 on windows on left and compared to on linux on right. You can clearly see that linux is using different lower res assertsNow prove that it doesn't
>>738533172>>738532935https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJEo6Kb6Rhgwindows is just shit at memory management and if you squeeze it then it squealsjust stop coping, microsoft is not your friend, they employ 18k jeets and you're still desperately digging for excuses because of your baby duck imprinting
>>738533317Reddit is for political brainwashingDiscord is for getting groomedSteam is for gaymers
Time to become an epicchad instead
>>738533307>I install, it works.did you skip the part where you need to use a microsoft account and use a mystery meat debloater to remove all the ai slop and ads?
>>738533172Pretty sure they're both UE5 engine games and there shouldn't be a difference.>>738533426I'm not defending Windows though, I've been mostly on Linux for over 10 years.
>>738533421KEK
>>738532881>Fuck Steam>uses Steam???
>>738533490I use the Microsoft account I've had since the mid 90s, and I don't have to remove AI slop and ads, because AI slop doesn't affect me, and I never see ads. If you're seeing ads, you probably need to stop installing Bonzi Buddy and Comet Cursor.
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>>738533560>i am cattle and i see no issue with the humiliation ritual of a microsoft account
>>738533543Fuck steam, yeah.
It takes about 1GB on my system
>>738533631>you must be angry about things you don't care about>look at the people dying in [non-American country]!This is you. You must be a delight to go to dinner with.
>>738533740>i don't care about owning my computer so windows just worksembarrassing
>>738530050>>738530302It took 4 minutes for a transgender individual to enter the thread and start kvetching about epic
>>738533641>less than 100 gamesYou're not a gamer.>>738533795>muh ownershipWho cares? I play video games, not come up with lists of reasons why I don't.
>>738532357>>738531863>>738530050Things like Discord, VS code also uses chromium but are not such a resource hog. Steam must be doing something bad
>>738533861and you are consoomer, goycattle, uncreative, never made a single mod. https://steamcommunity.com/id/Berthold32dll/myworkshopfiles/Not even a translation slop.
>>738533861>Who cares?you care, goycattlewhy even respond to me if you're admitting you're a clueless retard?why are you instinctively defending microjeet?just because you can handle that that there's shit on the floor doesn't mean others can too
>>738533479I wish steam had something like epic legendary.exe
>>738530050why are you lying
>>738534060Explain why this matters to me. What does logging into an account I've had longer than you've been alive do that should be upsetting me so, but only seems to be making you mald and seethe.>FUCKING MICROJEET GOYCATTLE SLAVEBut what does it do that affects me.>FUCKING SHILL GODDAMN FUCK RETARDIs that all you have?>FUCKING SHIT FUCK SHITTY FUCKING FUCK
>>738533993You joking, nigga? Discord takes almost as much resources as Steam. It does take less, but we aren't talking about magnitudes here and Discord only ever has a single website open in it.For reference on my system: Steam 777MB, Discord 430MB. If you were to think along the lines of "how much should this application take to provide the functionality that it provides?" both are way over the line and there is no world where Steam is not fine and Discord is fine.
>>738534109I'm unironically epic chad now, because I play Chiv 2 every weekend.
>>738533993I ditch Visual Studio (((Code))) with the Purple Visual Studio 2024 and Zed editor. Because fuck VSC, those two run simultaneously use less resource than VSC itself.
>>738533112how the genuine fuck do you get steam to use 9gb
>>738534164>it doesn't matter to me therefore it shouldn't matter to you>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T LEAVE MY INDIAN OPERATING SYSTEM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEyour standards are low, winjeet, you don't get to act like your opinion has any authority
>>738534374For some time you've been able to open multiple browser pages in steam process simultaneously, I'd imagine how he got that usage up.
>>738534374Just open multiple tabs in steam browser. Each is 200 to 350 MB.
>>738534443>still no reasoning>just angerI'm not joining your communist cult, linux torovaldinsky.
>>738530050funny to think about Steam becoming a console OS
>>738532687no its funny because modern retards think about democracy in the exact same way
>>738534540then keep eating indian shit? no one told you to respond to me
>>738530050but enough about windows
>>738534648I told me to respond to you.
Cool, another epic gay store/console cuck seethe thread.We like Valve because without them PC wouldn't have SHIT to play besides Minecrap, old games and random f2p shit. You don't even know how it was like when PC users kept getting cucked out of games and were desperate for decent ports.
>>738534443kill yourself corpocuck
>>738534691yes, indians tend to think their opinion matters despite having subterrestrial standardsshame based societies don't really promote individualism
>>738534792I'm a burger, and we shame fat losers like you for not being able to have sex. Considering a homeless chick will give it up for food, not being able to get laid is the bottom tier of shame.
>>738534831jeets also love those estrogenated shame based responses too
>>738534939Can I see the phrasebook you paste from? Your understanding of the American language seems to be limited to buzzwords.
>>738535027>buzzwordsdo you need to be reminded that your opener was "It just works"?again, just because you don't understand computers and don't value your freedom doesn't mean everyone else is equally pitiful
>>738534364>Zed editorLooks good, it's not using any chrome/web stuff right?
>>738535113If you're so emphatic (more like em FAT ic) about freedom, why do you hate my freedom to run Windows?>BECAUSE YOU MUST BE FREE TO DO WHAT I SAY, NAZI INCEL CHUDBut Windows just works.™
>>738535174It's runs on Directx11/12
>>738534713You still don't have shit to play besides indieslop and whatever FOTM shooter style is currently popular. And all you had to do was trade physical ownership for gay ben's digital cock. PCmutts are fucking pathetic cucks.
>>738535207>if you like freedom then why can't you accept me being into scat porn?because i expect you to properly modulate your position and egoyou're a low iq subservient worm, behave like one>NAZI INCEL CHUDimagine unironically using an operating system made by jeets that directly funds tranny surgeries and acting like you're living your principles
>>738535335What benefit does ownership of games confer me? Note that I throw away old things, as selling used items is for poors.
>>738535220>DirectXI'm not using Linux, but it doesn't run on it at all?
>>738535367>image with textNot reading that.>YOU MUST CARE ABOUT POLITICSI don't. I'll buy a product from a tranny that forces me to lick his asspussy if the product is good.>BUT BUT BUTYes, the butt.
>>738530050Nothing wrong with requesting a lil' bit of memory.
>>738532816We do the same human sacrifices with abortion, totally not a Judeasing sacrament guise
>>738535509>i don't care i don't care i don't carethen why are you here and responding?no, you're trying to kneejerk defend your jeetOS without any substance
>>738535517It runs on TempleOS?
>>738535410yeahIt's literally a single exe on Windows
>>738530050you don't need to, just use the minimal modewhy are you inventing new bullshit problems every day?
>>738535626Whatever.>>738535674>0.232.2.0That seems *p*n s**rc*ish.
>>738535742it's ver 1 now, I havent updated it for a while. I think zed is better open sores software than whatever slop on troonix
>>738532816>but im wondering if each of these sacrifices actually guaranteed benefit anythingThey got overthrown by 100 Portugays. Clearly they should have tried something else.
>>738530050because the enemy of your enemy is your friend
>>738535630Just as god intended.
>>738534642Democracy is perfectly fine.... as long as you actually follow the rules that emerged from Greeks testing the shit out of it millennia ago, and coming with the conclusion that only people who are draft meat should be allowed to vote.If you don't follow the basic rules of a system, of fucking course the result is going to be garbage.
>>738535990We never implemented Plato's republic
>>738535395>use your limited time on this planet to work in exchange of money >spend that money for things you throw away or don't get to own (i.e Valve telling Windows 8.1 and earlier users to "upgrade to W10/11 or get f*cked")I'm not sure I want to discuss with someone who doesn't value his time, gets royally f*cked by capitalist pigs, admits to it, and then uses it as some "gotcha" moment in arguments.
>every program now is just a Chromium container>with all the bloat, tracking, memory leaks from jewlge kept inMan the future really is gay
I never understood why Valve introduced DRM on their platform in the first place. From what I understand it's optional per publisher/developer? so not all Steam games have DRM.
>>738535335>physical ownershipyou call this ownership?
If the EU wasn't a bunch of pansies they would try to trust-bust Google. Chrome is now like 95% of all Web Browsers? They sued Bill Gates when Internet Explorer had WAY less market share.
>>738535953EGS is better tho>Quality control>No gay ass Facebook social features>Nice and simple
>>738536072Imagine paying for what's free. GOG games and Windows don't cost anything.
>>738531863Nah, there's something up with Epic; it's slow as fuck and takes more resources than regular ChromiumWhen I still had a shitty PC, it would make it go into airplane noises mode for no reason
>>738536325>shunned by capcom for GOTY>no family sharing>migrating your library to another drive or PC is an ungodly chore>have to flip through web pages just to browse your own libraryOkay, zoomer.
>>738531183Valve lets you conveniently trade your items and buy stuff from loot boxes, which most other companies do not.Steam's DRM is considerably less invasive to pirate than the alternatives, are there even people shitting on Xbox controllers and shilling the Steam controllers? cause I haven't since any of them.And Epic thinks giving free games is a good excuse not to add any of the other great features Steam has in regards to community tabs, refunds, etc.The problem with the arguments of "But why do you think it's fine when Steam does it?" is that they either ignore the context behind Valve's implementation or their facts are completely made up. That's not to say they haven't done stupid shit, but their controversies are quite few and far away compared to any other game company.
>>738533857ssaaaar you MADE the thread to kvetch about epic being shittier than steam
>>738536325>Quality controlEGS literally allows crypto shovelware on their store because Steam doesn't. That is the literal opposite of quality control.
>>738536325saaaaar epic's only purpose is to provide free games to add to steam's non-steam game libraryand pay you to cry about it
>>738532816Would you take the chance the sun doesn't rise or whatever
>>738537062People would rather buy games on Steam when they're free on Epic.
>>738537101well yeah, if you have money.epic's launcher is a nasty piece of spyware that was snooping into your folders and uploading shit to their servers openly.specifically your STEAM files.epic calls that "outdated implementation"which just means they found another way to do that.
>>738536828They implemented refunds after some European court case ruled out they had to. They never did it because "we are sooo pro-consumer guys... just trust us". I'm fairly certain many other things were forced upon them by legislators, and were NOT implemented out of altruistic reasons.
>>738536325>Quality controlNigg what? Timmy proudly opened his arms up for cryptoscam garbage because Gaben told that shit to fuck off.>No gay ass Facebook social featuresMore like barely any features at all.>Nice and simpleYeah, it's "simple" alright. Do I really need to remind you Timmy needed a long ass time to add a shopping cart, a feature you will find on every indian web browser store?
>>738537274>reposts the same image resized, and it's all fake>b-but he's really the co-ceo because he put it in his LinkedIn profileI've BTFO you so many times already. Why not just accept your VAC ban and shut up?https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/peopleScott Lynch is #2 right now.
>>738537352no one told them to do it outside of australiareminder that sony and nintendo still don't offer refunds the way valve does
>>738535335I literally have hundreds of games on steam, console loser. Even japanese games get pretty solid PC ports now and PC gaming used to be considered a joke by japanese. Hell, I can't believe how spoiled PC chads are with fighting games alone now. Back then there were only some crappy attempts to make a fighting game for DOS and then in the 2000's it was completely barren, if you wanted to play fighting vidya on PC you had to emulate and even then emulation still had to improve in some aspects. Meanwhile now there's fighting vidya getting native PC versions all the time.
>>738530302>>738531863>>738536417Isn't the epic store literally made in unreal engine?
>>738537989They still use embedded Chromium regardless of whether they also use UE. If they ran embedded Chromium in UE, that'd just make it worse.
>>738535953The enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy>>738536325>>Quality controlNice try shill, EGS is still desperate to look like they can have as many games as Steam.If they cared about quality they've would have started by not bribing developers for paid exclusivities, treating the fans like they are sheep that need to be herded, and instead spend that money on good store feature.As I see it the best feature of STEAM is the tag system for games, reliable or not that's far better than suggesting game because of popularity or price as if genre/content didn't matter.>>No gay ass Facebook social featuresYou are not forced to use them and a basic forum/news system is very useful to get information from devs on a single place.>>Nice and simpleMore like shit and simple, those who brag about being simple are usually either forcing you into a rigid template to control you, or incapable of doing complex and efficient.
>>738530050outdated bait. 4GB is fucking nothing these days.
Why aren't we talking about the fact that Steam requires a 64-bit CPU, and nobody but the richest of the rich has them? What about all us normal people in Tanzania with Pentium 4s running Windows XP?
>>738532687If you read an anthropology book instead of epic Save EVROPA instagram posts by indians you'd realize life isn't so black and white.
>>738539497Steam doesn't just require 64 bit CPU, it requires more than that. In fact, here's a helpful list of what it requires.
>>738540761That's an awfully powerful machine for a linux user.
>>738540761>A webstore needs more 2GB of RAM and a quad core processor because...>because it just needs it ok?
>>738541190Why complain? It's practically nothing.
>>738541724Because why should software that had the exact same functionality since 1990 use more resources for no reason? I don't care that modern PCs come with 128GB of RAM. a webstore shouldn't use more than a megabyte or two of RAM ideally, worst case scenario maybe 20MB of RAM. it's just drawing a UI for fucks sake.
>>738541873you're retarded
>>738542120And you're a mindless bot. good counter-argument!
>>738541873Considering Steam has only been around since 2003, how does it have the same functionality since 1990?
I'm terrified they'll announce that damn Half-Life 3 someday, and I can see how the damn Switch is going to outsell the PlayStation 2.Could you please give me some tips on how to be a gamer on Android smartphones and tablets.Basically, I want Android games that give me the impression that I hate PC gaming and Nintendo consoles.
>>738542226The same *CORE* functionality. that is, drawing a UI. and maybe downloading something in the background.you retards can't be serious. literal bot hivemind.entire game engines used far less resources than chromium.
>>738542329So how many applications from 1990 were downloading in the background or drawing on a compositor? How many were facilitating purchases over the internet and downloading over same? How many of these applications allowed you to keep track of what games your friends were playing, and allowed you to share those games with family?
>>738542563Yes yes, and that is such a titanic task that it requires gigabytes of RAM!get out of here.
>>738542563Yes yes, and that is such a titanic task that it requires gigabytes of RAM!get out of here.Should curl also use 500MB of RAM? I mean it has a basic text interface and it's downloading something.
>>738530050I run Chrome and my laptop runs smoothly with it
>>738542640>>738542703>posting twice like a spazRAM is practically free. Why don't you have any? Also, what's curl? Something faggots do to their hair?
>>738542825>retard gamerok nvm, I'm talking to a retard.I'll write a webstore that uses 20GB of RAM and you'll use it like the good cattle you are.
>>738542949No, people don't want to use non-Steam stores because they're for goyim. Don't be a goy.
>>738540761>Athlon 64 3200+Didn't that CPU have like 3 socket versions or something? I had a socket 754 version of the 3200+ that I built in preparation for half-life 2 and world of warcraft. Awful time to built a new pc in retrospect. Less than two years later we got DDR2, PCI-E and dual-core processors. Wild to think that the first CPU that I used for Steam no longer supports it. I'm guessing yours is AM2 judging by the GPU.
>>738530050I have 128gb of ramWhy should I care again?
>>738543142It's not 1 CPU. There are literally more than 5 different CPUs called Athlon 64 3200+.Mine is Venice, socket 939. The GPU used has little to do with the original system as built, it's just some random GPU I had sitting around which still worked. I didn't feel like putting a GTX 980 into that computer. Even though I could have.
>>738531183People don't like loot boxes period retardYou said invasive drm software then list launchers? RETARDYou can pretty much opt out of everything on steamPeople don't think those controllers are bad? RETARDI don't care about prices I'm not a poorjeet like you. RETARD
>>738530050800mb for meddr4 costs about $6 per gbsteam takes up about $5 of your memory at the very worst if you somehow managed to fill it upa non issue
