Will they show up next chapter?
>>738547606the other pic sucks
>>738547606gaster strikes me as a ch6 kinda guy
>>738548513what other pic?
>>738547606>>738548630Holy fuck....I need this nigga to be written as a 10/10 villain cartoonishly evil over-the-top Green Goblin type villain or as a 10/10 Ozymandias all according to keikaku, points hard to argue with villain and as a 10/10-tier comedy character.
I do wish that Berdly and Noelle are part of the fun gang as permanent members
>>738549039Yeah.....I kinda was hoping for more depth to the RPG stuff and for stuff to carry over more from each episode. Like armor/weapons/items/party comp being something that changes. But I guess Tobert Radiation has never been focused on that anyway. That is something end of high school me shouldn't have expected.
>>738549039noelle is 100% a main character despite being underutilized in the first halfburghly is an ascended gag character that's beloved by the audience, but likely no more than that
>>738549039>>738549241The ui doesn't support more than 3v3. It would take Toby at least a year to figure out and implement a solution
>>738549298I meant like switching out party members mid-battle and having different combos available for many more battles. But I guess that would require work he doesn't want to deal with and writing a lot more and thus translating more. Even though JRPGs are kinda built on that anyway. FF7 wouldn't be as good if you were stuck the entire time with only ready made groups with predetermined interactions. There are segments where that is the case but there were parts where you swap people out and unique interactions with that specific party comp either in story or in battle occurred.
>>738549265>berdlyI hate when writers make such characters and then never use them in such a way again. Also Vinesauce Joel's initial voice for him being a Liquid Snake impression is how I choose to hear his voice or BestGuyEver's voice. Kinda weird I know but they give off that Kinta from Dandadan vibe.
>>738549241It's so unfair that half the fandom actually sees Berdly as an incel you're supposed to dislike
>>738547606>FriendTwo out of three locations that get mentioned in LotH, the city and Northernlight, are actual places in their respective Chapter counterparts, so I would be truly astonished if Friend wasn't relevant to an area called The Field of Pink and Gold.>GasterBest chance is being the Chapter's cliffhanger, I'd say.
>>738550048i'm certain that the only people who actually dislike berdly are either the people he's parodying, or unironic suselle fanatics who see him as an obstacle
Maybe, let's just wait until chapter 5 is released and we'll see
>>738550274How much longer guys? I've seen more threads lately. Are we around some time he said? Is it gonna appear at SGF or later?
>>738550402The most reasonable estimate right now is Chapter 5 showing up in the June Nintendo Direct and releasing within a month or two after thatToby's radio silence is actually a good sign (coping), if he wasn't expecting release within the next few months he would have put together a Spring Newsletter to tide us over
>>738550402I don't mind the wait, as long as the full game is released
>>738550402july seems likely
>>738551243I still think there won't be a nintendo direct and instead there will be a newsletter telling you the chapter is gonna come out in a week or so.
>>738550402Late May. One of these days, he's going to start an arg with no warning or explanation. Chapter drops soon after its conclusion, trust.
>>738553335You are a fucking retard, Toby said it's not coming out in the first half of the year.>but what if Toby is wrongToby has never underestimated himself, he only ever oversetimated. It's not happening.
>>738553323some anons have pointed out that since deltarune is now a paid product, 'shadow dropping' releases isn't feasible anymore which is fair if every chapter was paid, but that's not how it works there's nothing stopping toby from just updating the game one day out of the blue, people have had a year to scrounge up $20 to own kris' soul, if they miss out it's on them now
>>738547606why can i see it in catalog but not in thread?
>>738547606You'll see your BEST friend in Chapter 5
>>738547606Gaster is never going to be an on-screen character. Anyone who thinks that is mentally retarded
>>738553602janny FEARS gaster & friend
>>738550402almost 100% june/july release. JP localization which is the final step was estimated to finish last month and Toby said most of the team is already working on 6. Now it's likely just final bug testing and it should pop up at either SGS or the next Nintendo general direct.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G8DcaGegM0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMfro9XfU1whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJE21c--duY
>>738553665I hope so. Seeing him interact with the fun gang would be very fun
all in on patience soul krisp
>>738549030He’s the writer, and knows you want an adventure full of mystery and suffering.
>>738547606It would be funnier if they just were completely absent for ch 5They know better than to get too close to an asgore crashout anyways
>>738556272i don't think gaster would care but the idea of friend being spooked by someone is interesting
>>738547606FRIEND? 100% yes. Gaster? Probably just as a voice with maybe a teaser about him.
>>738550402Toby will probably crawl out of his cave on June 5 for the 3+4 one tear anniversary. Chapter 5 is most likely on August and September, July if we get lucky, October if we get bad luck, latter if something very wrong happened.
>>738550402I'm an August guy because I'm always a pessimist when the subject is WAITing.>>738553335This is extremely delusional. You need to learn to WAIT right NOW.
>>738549039I am actually glad they aren't but Lancer should've been one.
>>738558213lancer is a weird character because according to toby's old notes, lancer was really only supposed to exist in ch1he has a lot more presence that he was originally intended to
>>738553665>>738554441We will see 7 different flowey look-a-likes but I really hope the golden flower isn't Flowey 2 but completely different in personality.
>>738556879I think friend stuff probably won't be in ch 5 as I feel like ch 5 has a lot of other shit to cover.But I could be wrong as I also thought toriel would play a bigger role in ch 3 but she slept through all that instead.
>>738558469It's the field of pink and gold in the cat based chapter (mirroing Snowdin having dogs). He will be there.
>>738547606Embeds still work
>>738556031It's likely desu. I guess it depends if Toby would really want to connect him with Frisk or Chara or make him into a red herring connected to an unrelated human.
>>738558610I thought they stopped working years ago.
What if the cactus was kept hidden because there is something wacky about how plant darkners work?
>>738558610How do you even see an embedded image?
>>738558469i think ch5 will wrap up a decent chunk of the mysteries that have been around since ch1, while 'opening up' the remaining ones for the rest of the game
>>738558764It could be that they're like lightners since they're technically living beings and thus they have a Dark World form rather than being darkners.
>>738558705for me, it's faint courage and the toy knife in the new ruins area in the 10th anniversary why would toby make a connection like that? i know he has a history of trolling but something like that seems like you're supposed to stew on it
>>738558764>cactus wasn't taken to castle town we're never seeing how it looks like huh
>>738558872It's a good connection but it could be just a Deltarune reference, doesn't the underwater area also reference Deltarune? But it's a strong connection. It's not the worst theory out there.
>>738558286Nothing in Toby's notes implies he would've been exclusive to Chapter 1, though.
>>738558593There would be an irony to it if friend is manipulating asgore (just casually being there as "a cat" asgore has in the dark world, like it's no biggie).(Given all the theories that point to friend as the one most likely responsible for Dess vanishing. Personally, I think friend is a red herring on tobyfox's part and the not-Mike fight basically was telling the player that)
>>738559070alphys's (non existent) cat might possibly be some bizarre sort of hint about friend
>>738559070I think FRIEND is a chair and not manipulating Asgore but we're definitely finding out what it actually is in 5 for sure.
>>738559204imagine friend as chairiel getting toriel's loud putrid braps for 40 years straight
>>738559340We don't know which chair friend isOh...It's that chair
>>738559340FRIEND is Susie’s cuck chair.
>>738559834the one that she makes noelle sit in while she has sex with kris?
>>738559946Yes and the one Susie sits on when it's doesex time.
what's the point of the Fight command in this game?>Characters barely have different attacks>And when they have, like X-Slash in the Spamton Fight, they don't keep it>Even if you want to play the hardest battles in the game, the Fight command barely changes from regular fights in terms of strategyI understand the system being simple in Undertale, but if you want to play this game as a regular jrpg, the command is repetitive and dull.
gaster is my pal and i trust him implicitly
>>738558359>Golden Flower looks exactly like Flowey but acts like Asriel>makes some sarcastic comments and pulls some pranks but isn't malicious at all>ends up getting possessed by FRIEND and warped into an Omega Flowey-esque monster as the secret boss to just blatantly fuck with Youslop or kino?
>>738549030I don't want Gaster to be a villain, he needs to be an amoral author above his own game.>>738560175This is good, I genuinely want Flowey 2.0 to be a good guy but remove FRIEND possession and him being a secret boss and make the other flowers bad as an inverse to their situation in Undertale.
>>738560156The point is that you need to FIGHT in certain battles like Knight and Titan, but yes, fighting is more useless than it was in Undertale.
>>738560156The point is that Deltarune wasn't conceptualized as part of Undertale, but Toby wanted the marketability of a sequel.So he shoved Undertale characters and systems there while also just seeing those as artifacts. Then by chapter 2 he starts introducing more systems like the elemental pairs, recruiting and merged item crafts.Then chapter 3's development is a mess and he decides to go full effort into creating a million minigames and gimmicks that get scrapped after being barely used and goes out of his way to make the early system not simply stay underdeveloped but actively sideline and take away from them.
>>738558469>"Field of Pink and Gold">very likely to get into what happened to Dess ("the children followed the pointed tail")>need to collect the fifth and final Shadow Crystal>likely location of the true "ROOTS" area where FRIEND has consistently appeared, if it's not the Shelter
>>738559163her 'cat' was susie, and then catty
>>738560541as I said, bizarre hint
>>738560512>merged item crafts.I barely remember crafting exists in this game.
>>738560512The Deltarune that didn't use Undertale's characters hasn't existed since 2014. Ever since Undertale was made Deltarune also had its characters injected into it.
>>738547606No. Every chapter I say this, and get called retarded, and every chapter I'm proven right. Gaster won't show up at all outside menus, FRIEND will keep showing up in random places while never saying anything and messing with the schizo bosses.
>>738549039Catti and Jockington are the true cucks, but the latter will redeem himself as the chapter 5 schizoboss
>>738560156it's essentially a leftover from before undertale existed iirc toby said something along the lines of how the spare mechanic didn't exist in deltarune until after undertale was completedhe adopted it in because it's part of what he's known for, although in ch3 and ch4 he seems to have realized that FIGHTing is pretty useless and wanted people to remember that it was an option, by making it the only option against the knight and the titan
>>738560158This. We trust in WingDings in this house.
>>738561191FIGHTing is still pretty useless in these chapters, having required fights doesn't necessarily make it useful.
>>738560512>Deltarune is bad because it doesn't do enough with the dime-a-dozen RPGMaker mechanicsyou guys are funny
Do you guys think we'll get to use the twisted sword at all in chapter 5, or is it exclusively going to be a chapter 6+ thing?
>>738563580how many rpgm games get bullet dodging?
>>738563615weird route only
>>738560512>>738561191The FIGHT/ACT system was invented for Undertale but I don't know why people act this means it was just tacked on to Deltarune as an afterthought when Chapter 1 pretty much entirely revolves around this dichotomy and uses it to build Susie and Ralsei's fundamental characterization and dynamic
>>738563746Because Toby has no fucking idea what he is doing.
I think I'm just gonna trust the dog.
>>738563746Because Toby said so in the Chapter 1 stream that it was vestigial. He even said he needed to make it more important.
>>738563950
will king ever get his own room or will he rot in his cuck cage until the game is over?
>>738547606all the heavy FRIEND teasing in the sweepstakes + the mike minigames makes me believe hes 100% gonna properly show up in CH5 and toby only added the mike trio because of CH5 not releasing alongside 3 and 4unless pic related (hint from the gacha machine) is referring to the minions in the eram fight theres no way it isn't a FRIEND bossfight tease>>738560156>>738561191i just wish the game was harder overall, kinda disappointing that the only real challenging fight so far is the knight (who got nerfed), gerson didnt even use the yellow arrows from the undyne fight, most of the enemies are still jobbers and equipment has no varietyall the unused attacks for the secret bosses give me hope for a potential dojo hard mode boss rush in the future though
Looking back, what did even keep discussion alive and healthy for so long with just chapter 2? There was Spamton and the sweepstakes, but it can't be just that. I fear 5 won't do much after how fast 3/4 discussion withered, and that will drag on for 3 years at least.
>>738564334You could argue FRIEND was Eram and thus that was how that fortune came true, but yes, Chapter 5 is definitely FRIEND'S chapter.
>>738560442Hmm...so perhaps a more morally dubious but still based scientist. Like a more sympathetic Desty Nova. Maybe one of his creations being the final antagonist. Could be alright. But Gaster has been hyped so long, I think it's either that or him being the villain.
>>7385646642 expanded the game in a way people could make endless AUs with all the patternfagging. It was the perfect expansion of making people actually care about Deltarune and make fanwork, theories and predictions. 3 and 4 killed a lot of that by giving answers and especially by killing all the main patternfagging.
>>738564743The Knight or FRIEND being his fault and the final boss would be cool. That and the prophecy itself.
>>738558764>>738558839You're talking about plants, I want to know what happens if you put an animal in the Dark World. Like imagine a regular, flesh and bones dog going in there, or a crab or an iguana. What would happen to things like ants?
>>738564841Hmm....do you think he will rip off giygas/photoshop Flowey again? Like a Titan that is more unsettling and will use different futures' characters where Kris made either wrong or evil decisions that spawn corrupted versions of his friends? I could see that happening. Or perhaps Gaster's backstory will be the equivalent to Asriel's backstory in UT in the other house and interior of the castle. I could see that being the case in chap 6. Like 5 will probably reveal all or most of the Knight and more of the overall plot/stakes. Then 6 will be the deep lore or comeuppance of all choices finally occurring, and then 7 will be the results. So the route is revealed at the end of 6 and then 7 is the actual major difference. I dunno just something I spitballed now.
>>738565275I don't think DR has ever had a single non monster animal so far
>>738560156It's a concept adapted from Undertale, but since everyone has done pacifists and genoslides already and are likely familiar with the consequences of FIGHTing, it's been mostly relegated to the side. Which is one of Deltarune's lesser said flaws, in my opinion. What really makes it suck ass is the fact that it takes recruits away, and the power you do get from attacking doesn't add up between chapters. Major downgrade from Undertale.
NO WAIT DON'T GO IN THE-
You are brown.
Why is absolutely everything related to this game so disgustingly ugly and horrendous looking?Is it because you're all horrendous
>>738566812no you're ugly and horrendous looking
>>738561191He fucked up really badly if he wanted FIGHT to be a compelling option. There's no reason to ever do it if you have any care or affection in your soul
>>738566942if sparing didn't exist and the only ways to defeat enemies were fighting until they ran away or pacifying them, i could see an argument being made if fighting to lower hp to make enemies tired was quicker than doing an act, but that only kinda exists in ch1and now that everyone can ACT, both pacify and fighting are essentially useless outside of pretty niche casesi can't even remember if any enemies even needed to be pacified in ch3 & 4
>how can I etc etc
Undertale/Deltarune is the Animal Man (Morrison) of vidya.
Reminder that the knight is Toriel's dreams taken form and if she wakes up then the knight dematerializes
So when are they going to shag?
susie look very nice
>>738568668>susie wearing a ribbonlol>susie wearing a dresslmao
>>738568668>Chapter 5 Festival dance sequence
>>738563624it is amazing how 'dodge enemy attacks in a top down interface' as a mechanic made such a huge difference for a lot of people.It is so connected to undertale now anyone else who does something like it will just be viewed as aping undertale. It is to an extent much greater than limb targetting mechanics and GURPS.
>>738569728The biggest edge of it is how much characterization it enables, an RPGM project can lapse into it feeling like you're just punching a PNG file while generic music plays in the background. I don't feel this with deltarune or undertale due to how all the enemy types get unique projectile mechanics and attacks when attacking due to that soul box.
>>738569728It makes a huge difference because it really is an enormous change from traditional turn-based combat. A lot of people on here don't think about the gameplay that much because it's usually not very difficult, but in a traditional RPG where you and the enemies are just clicking attacks there wouldn't even be a discussion about difficulty and skill expression in that moment, it's just a damage roll.Which isn't to disparage traditional RPGs or suggest what UT/DR does is inherently better, it's just a fundamentally different experience that changes the games in ways people don't really think about even while they're experiencing it.
>>738568487noelle already raped kris though
>identify with so many themes with this game having grown up midwest suburbs goth/emo>Kris is literally me, for better or for worseI feel so inspired to make my own game since I feel so reached out and seen with Deltarune, fuck Toby Fox for making me feel like thisAt work all I do is daydream events and scenes and at night I'm attacked with ideas I forget by morningIs it possible to download autism from playing a video game or was this in me all along and I just got sleeper agent activated
>>738571819>At work all I do is daydream events and scenes and at night I'm attacked with ideas I forget by morningYou're supposed to write that shit down, dumbass.
The people who keep saying FRIEND is just the chair in Susie's shitass apartment are only pretending, right?Nobody actually believes the evil fucking cat thing stalking you across Dark Worlds is just Susie's fucking chair, right?
>>738571870I try to keep track of most of it at least
The people who keep saying Mike is just the microphone in the school's shitass closet are only pretending, right?Nobody actually believes the character Spamton ominously mentioned is just a fucking microphone that doesn't talk, right?
>>738572370so what IS up with that microphone
>>738572370>The people who keep saying Mike is just the microphoneNobody says this
>>738572370spamton says a lot of schizo shit, and i wouldn't describe him talking about mike as 'ominous' considering he seems pretty defensive of him
Like I'm trying to understand the logic here beyond "FRIEND jumpscares you in the /chair/ teaser, which was foreshadowing the 'darker than dark' cutscene where Ralsei explains how Dark Worlds work and Susie's chair and FRIEND-Endogeny are shown at separate points"It seems like it's just connecting these two dots and completely ignoring all other context and significance relating to the funny pink and yellow eyesWhat is FRIEND actually supposed to mean in this framework? Why has this thing shown up three chapters in a row stalking you and scaring you? All of this to foreshadow the "Susie's chair" boss?
>>738572854he is just a fucked up annoying dog wannabe
>>738572905Yeah that's fine, but if that's what FRIEND is supposed to be then it doesn't make sense for it to be an ordinary Darkner of an object that's sitting in Susie's apartment
>>738572370He was first mentioned as someone we "didn't need" (to be big shots), from that context I took him as potentially a member of the TV crew (and it had to be a group, of that I was sure) that Spamton was fond of. All the shit about him being super ominously important and Spamton's best friend and the face in the basement and somehow simultaneously the secret boss and thematic center of chapter 3 felt like people taking the one proper noun they didn't have a face for and shoving it into all of the holes it was vaguely near in the story like a mad lib.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1foRGfUu6xk
>>738573142i think dogcheck would've been pretty kino as the ch3 credit songit's already used as the faux credits song earlier in the chapter, toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDDhYZCsdPo
>>738573096>Spamton's best friend"Mike" is one of the few characters Spamton mentions in a positive way, the other's are Kris who he is trying to scam and Noelle but he only says good things about her on the sweepstakes.I'm gonna say, I was expecting Toby to lean into the fujos and put Spamton into an yaoi relationship, but the text across the sweepstakes made me think that was going to be Mike with how he sounds defensive and attached to him in those lines, meanwhile all allusions to Tenna are Spamton looking for a way to murder him.
>>738573303>chapter 7 ends>final credits rolls>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B6HB9VU7Ho>some people go crazy over darkness falls because they never choose to give up after dying to Jevil
>>738573446Mike is still mentioned as someone Spamton burnt his bridges with, no matter what sort of relationship you imagine from the way he's brought up. Him acting like he missed Mike was mostly him regretting flipping out at Tenna and breaking off from the TV crew, not an indicator that Mike was his favoritest one.
>>738573565a downer ending would probably cement deltarune's place in vidya history there's a scale though, too bad and people will be upsetwe'll see if toby can pull off bittersweet
>>738573446The connection between Spamton and Tenna seems like it was intended from the start, but Mike's significant involvement in it feels like something Toby invented to throw Mikefags a bone
>>738547606I think people are getting a bit to hyped up over gaster shit when it still comes off to me as the game mainly using him as metanarrative moreso than a direct character in the game
>>738573827So you're saying you think Mike was something completely meaningless at conception?
>>738573827he only has himself to blame, he telegraphed ch3 really poorly in ch2 and i'm almost certain that was one of the reasons he did the sweepstakes, to help fill the gap
>>738573927No part of chapter 2 depended on being "telegraphed", we didn't have any references to spam e-mails or computer viruses or anything in chapter 1. Applying this so-called standard to chapter 3 just sounds like you're splitting hairs, or a seething Mikefag.
>>738573071Friend also is able to appear in multiple dark worlds like ralsei So there seems to be this other type of darker going on that aren't the Amina of objects in our world given sentience in the dark
The game just needs more chapters like 1 and 4, if we get another Chapter with the same tone as 2 he's gonna lose me.
>>738547606>H.P. Lovecraft and his cat, ca. 1922, colorized.
>>738574007jevil mentioned queen if you fought him, and there was some loose implication the computer lab was next because the dog was in therewith ch2 the closest we got was spamton mentioning mike, which wasn't dissimilar to jevil's line now we know the actual tip off was him mentioning cathode screens in the neo fight, but the name 'tenna' was never mentioned until the sweepstakes
>>738574029I would be surprised if we get any chapter as goofy as ch 2 or 3 again as ch 3 was a blatant facade that collapsed at the end
>>738574029>>738574215yeah, ch3 and especially ch4 were the tone shift chaptersi think there will still be a couple gags here and there to keep it from being entirely doom and gloom, but i expect the game and the characters to start taking things more seriously now
Ch 5 is going to end in the roaring isn't it
>>738574342i sure hope so
Did this guy copy that one solo Korean manwha and Witches House in a forest thing?
>>738573925I don't think it was COMPLETELY meaningless, but Spamton hallucinating about Mike was probably meant to be more about him imitating Tenna than the profound three-way personal connection it's turned out to beToby did not expect people to latch onto "Mike" so hard, and significantly increased the character's importance in response to that (even if it's mostly confined to the Designated Meme Room)>>738573927It's a rare example of him misjudging his audience, though I'd say it was more like a perfect storm of theorybait getting out of hand than any real mistakeThe Sweepstakes served to correct the record and adjust people's expectations by clarifying that Mike was not Tenna (which just led to people shifting "Mike" onto FRIEND instead)
>>738574007Chapter 1 says "you will be able to enter the computer lab soon" very much in our faces.People only didn't get it because how exactly the dark worlds worked wasn't made clear, and that dialogue might as well have been just about the dog coding the game. Some people got the idea but got tricked into expecting the hospital since Toby teased the two ch 2 enemies that happen to be hospital themed. We may wonder how intentional the misdireciton was.Jevil mentioned a queen, and while Queen isn't a playing card, she is very much a central character we got to meet eventually.Ruins doesn't do much to set up snowdin besides that skeleton pun (and the brief dialogue Sans and Papyrus have if you get the pacifist ending in the demo) but it does a good job at implying various aspects about the main conflicts in the game, with Flowey's deal and the Dreemurr drama. The rest of the game is filled with plain "callforwards" people would have accurately predicted a lot about future areas if the whole thing had got an episodic release.>>738573927I really wanna know what the fuck was Toby thinking with how he set up Chapter 3. Did he give a bunch of red herrings on purpose (like the hospital enemies) or did he really not notice what kind of story this was by that point? Spamton mentions CRTs and the "Cathode's crew" and the "Gameshow host" which were accurate, but he also talks about Mike as if he was a personal acquittance and everything he says about Tenna and the TV World's darkners makes them seem like jerks the same way King, Queen and many of their subjects were. Susiezilla is mentioned twice only to become an extra minigame pushed into the corner. That creepy TV smile doesn't look like the smiling TV we get, and it may or may not be the Knight's helmet? And TV world is not about TV references the same way Card Kingdom and Cyber World where about their themes.
>>738574029Chapter 1 is lighthearted for most of it's runtime. It just isn't as zany and obnoxious like Chapter 2.>>738574215I wanna understand why he spent the entire Demo chapters with the facade on full power. 1+2 is just Undertale 2 with how they operated. Yet again, was it intentional misdirection or he did not realize what he was writing? And Chapter 2 goes out of it's way to ape as many plot beats and elements as possible from chapter 1 as if it was trying to trick people into patternfagging. This goes way beyond just Jevil/Spamton, and it's made worse by the fact a lot of those things are taken from how Undertale worked on all areas except New Home and True Lab.
>>738574671maybe it is another case of a major direction change like how queen initially was meant to be as serious a foe as the king was.
>>738574336There was definitely a shift in tone from Chapter 3 to 4, and I imagine the shift in tone from 4 to 5 will be even greater considering Susie now knows specifically what's at stake here, and with Kris getting so close to Susie, he must be dreading every second knowing she'll likely learn that he's working for the Knight.From a storytelling standpoint, I'm more excited about what the Weird Route will entail. It's been the most interesting metanarrative in vidya ever since NieR: Automata
>>738574029I was searching the script the other day and noticed that the term "heroes" is used around 20 times in Chapter 1 while in Chapter 2 it is used exactly ONCE (Susie's "Damn, we really are heroes!" at the end)I've enjoyed every part of the story so far but the difference in tone is real (and obviously intentional), Chapter 3 decisively ending "Act 1" with The Knight showing up and Chapter 4 putting the overarching plot back into focus was very important.
>>738574342Seems pretty obvious.Maybe Chapter 7 will be an Epilogue? Because if the Roaring begins in Chapter 5 and the bunker is Chapter 6 then that leaves the Chapter 7 with what?
If Ch5 is a joke chapter about asgore being pathetic where nothing of consequence actually happens i'll probably just explode or somethingso many pieces were setup in ch 4 for ch 5 to be a huge crescendo that if none of them actually matter it'll make the ch 3 expectations being missed look trivial and change the view on DR hard.
>>738575080Chapter 5 is obviously gonna be gigantic. Toby Fox isn't retarded to throw his lifework away for stupid memes
What if the reason Toby has been so cautious about showing off anything from Chapter 5 is that the Flower King Dark World is literally just UndertaleLike not LITERALLY Undertale but it's King Asgore ruling over a condensed version of the UndergroundWhat if the Dark World plot becomes a metaphor for Undertale's shadow looming over Deltarune, which is resolved by The Knight triggering The Roaring to end the world, decisively separating Chapters 6 and 7 from everything that came before them
>>738574336After Queen's monologue about lightners soothing their pains with computers and then Ralsei warning about dark fountains leading to the Roaring, I knew the game was eventually going to get into the "escapism bad" territory, I just wasn't expecting it to happen so soon given how Undertale waited for the end of Hotland to deconstruct itself. Now I just feel cheated out and stuck with a game I never wanted.>>738574342>>738575080And I'm pissed off with the last batch because there is jackshit to do with the remaining chapters. Chapter 5 can be:>more of the empty depressing drag that was chapter 4 all over again>have all the darkners say shit like "hey Kris, remember the good old times" all the fucking time instead of trying to make the dark world feel lived in, even worse than how chapter 3 was about it>shipping/drama shit even worse than chapter 2 or the ol' jitterbug>a pleasant adventure in a mystical garden following the chapter 1 mold which is exactly what I dreamed about for years but would be completely out of place with how the story is progressing now>jump right into the roaring and stretch it for 3 whole chapters, yet again a jarring tonal shift
>>738575429That's cheap, Toby doesn't do fanservice like that.>inb4 someone screenshots this and says most wrong anon of all time in 4 months time
>>738575429That would be like the 3rd time the game does this.Chapter 1 as a whole was a condensed retelling of Undertale, almost everything had some sort of parallel there. Chapter 3 has the third MANTLE board feautre various elements from the underground as well, and Shuttah talks about TV World as a stage built over lands that just happen to match UT's areas, stating some people left because of that as a cheeky reference to some UT fans not enjoying Deltarune (essentially the same as the Mew Mew 1 vs Mew Mew 2 joke but as an ominous statement).
>>738575515Garden world and depressing hell arent incompatible at all with this series, remember where chara was buried.
>>738575515>I knew the game was eventually going to get into the "escapism bad" territorystale bait, 2/10, get new material
>>738575717From Alphys to Berdly to Kris playing MANTLE alone in a dark room, Toby may be into games but he definitely doesn't like the average neckbeard mindset and goes out of his way to mock it.
>>738575714I specifically said "pleasant adventure" in the garden, and my main point there was about the late game being doomed into a bad pacing by virtue of where the story is heading.
>>738575704This is tangentially related but Susie's whole deal with thinking that Undertale-related things and old games suck and only ever playing Dragon Blazers 2 is an interesting angle for her character. I don't really know what to make of it.Maybe it's just meant to contrast with Kris, who is obviously mired in nostalgia
>>738575950>Undertale-related thingsWhich ones? She just makes fun of Asriel every time he comes up AFAIK.>I don't really know what to make of it.I'd say it's about her being the "main character of the story". Among many things, she starts out beating everyone out of habit only to be convinced to be nice to others, like how UT goes for many.
>>738575870Ch 5 ending with the roaring starting as its oh shit cliffhangerCh 6 being the bunker isn't necessarily the case is it?Could be ch 7 for all we know.
>>738574916>as if it was trying to trick people into patternfaggingThis is just how storytelling goes though, especially in RPGs. You establish a pattern by doing something at least twice, then you repeat this pattern in variations that cause shakeups, until the story has unravelled. Then, when you read the end, you converge it all back together to punctuate the pattern you established at the start.Unfortunately, Undertale/Deltarune fans are so illiterate that they've had to rediscover basic writing tropes, like the main antagonist appearing and kicking your ass to establish just how much you need to grow. I genuinely saw a youtube video of a guy talking about how being able to win against an enemy you're meant to lose against was something that only Toby could come up with. It's that fucking bad. Even now though, people are so addicted to finding some kind of pattern that people are still convinced Ralsei is going to get his own 1v1 secret boss.Let's face it, this per-chapter release model shows its greatest weakness, especially in the face of autists who can only see Toby as someone who's trying to fuck with them.
>>738576097If you play the opening notes to "Once Upon a Time" on the organ in Chapter 4, Susie will say>"What's that song? Sounds like crap."
>>738576283I think some patterning is a bit grating But seeing ch 5 as a chapter where the big platonic event is set into full motion by the end of it is based in storytelling logic, act 2 closer tends to be the escalation that jumps the story towards the climax.Ch 6 being the climax or ch 7 being the climax is what I find harder to gleam as I just have no idea how the bunker will be utilized. If it'll be like the location in a role akin to end of earthbound leading into a final eldritch horror fight, something parallel to alphy's hidden lab or a place that is not the final location with the final chapter being in that darker than dark place dess got lost in. (Of which in itself isn't necessarily the bunker).I just have no idea at all at this point, I'll just have to wait and see what happens.
>>7385740295 is going to start incredibly silly and lighthearted, then The Evil Plan will play its hand and things are going to get real bad, real heavy, real Weird, REAL fast.
>>738576283Undertale was very by the book with it's patterns. On the area antagonists, the shake ups are Undyne hunting you down for real and Alphys and Mettaton splitting the roles. Greater Dog is the unusual midboss among the 3 others. And on the hangout scenes, Toriel's happens before her fight and doesn't use the Dating Start music. True Lab wrecks the formula but is appropriately set in the tail end of the game.Chapter 3 went out of it's way to wreck the entire formula EXCEPT the main antagonist, but even that gets pushed around. Chapter 4 gets it back together a little, with the very jarring exception of the complete lack of a chapter main antagonist which the NPCs acknowledge and we will likely get Rouxls saying>Naturale I haven'th gone to thy cathedrale, as it lackes a Tyrant Bishope for me to servethas yet another cheeky fandom acknowledgment. We have 3 full chapters left.
>>738576547That just exactly what happened in Chapter 3. It was more chapter 2-esque shenanigans up until Tenna had his melty.
>>738576547I have "Asgore crashout" in my bingo
But, what if...
>>738576754ch4 is also fairly lighthearted on the normal route until you seal the first fountain, outside of the initial encounter with the knight weird route is a different story, but that's a given
>>738576530Everyone is convinced The Roaring has to fire off at the end of Chapter 5 just because that's the last significant event in the story that we know about (and how else would you escalate from fighting one Titan in Chapter 4?), but it's hard to imagine how that could be spread over two Chapters without being resolved, and there's still other outstanding questions and suspicious locations (the Shelter, the lake) that haven't been explored or resolved yetMany people have also forgotten that we DO have exactly one major bit of foreshadowing for Chapter 6Jackenstein's fight features this background in one of the mazes, depicting a King, Queen, Knight, Bishop, Flower, and finally a Sword. These clearly represent the final bosses of each Chapter.The sword could just be "The Knight again" which would maybe fit a post-Roaring Chapter, but if I had to call a shot, I'd bet Chapter 6 will be opening the Shelter and confronting Carol in the Dark World at the end.
>>738576754Chapter 3 is about the Knight falling massively behind schedule because (???), forcing its crooked (but not wholly evil) middleman chump to literally waste our time while it catches up, which it only does at the very end.This wouldn't be that. This would be the actual villains making a big play (or plays, depending on how bad the festival goes) well within the first half and then the entire rest of the chapter is the heroes having to react and deal with what happened.
>>738576854Anon, when I say "chapter" I usually mean the dark world segment, I consider the light world and castle town sections as more of a "interlude" between those, and always assumed most felt the same.The church is fucked up from the start, from the despair of the whole choir being trapped there (kek), the Knight showing up again, Ralsei berating Susie for healing, the grandiosity of the setting and music, the demon fetuses chasing you, the overall weirdness of the cultists. Gerson was only funny early on by the way, all his other appearances are him giving some llife advice.
>>738576719>Chapter 3 went out of its way to wreck the entire formula EXCEPT the main antagonist,I don't think it really did, it was a shakeup only with the intial Zelda ripoff gameplay and all the minigames. However, that's still basically the prep for the final dungeon, which mirrors the previous Chapters with a heavily structured adventure building up to the final dungeon within the antagonist's domain. Ramb even pokes fun at this by talking about how the game for the main story is just "a boring walk from a to b" which feels like Toby jabbing at people saying all he can design is hallways.In a sense, Tenna is meant to be the big finale to the original Dark World gameplay structure with a a semi-linear main world, and then one final gauntlet in the antagonist's domain. Chapter 4 was pretty much all just exploring one big dungeon, and the main antagonist never had a final domain to conquer, unless you want to count the scripted segment of the gang taking hits for each other.
>>738547960>Being a friend doesn't make you them YOURS!I wish I had learned this earlier in my life
>>738576841Asgore is going to open a fountain in the middle of the fucking festival I swear
>>738577142the light world in ch4 is noteworthy because it's the chapter with the longest segment, and it being at the start of the chapter instead of the end and again, outside of ralsei being rude to susie early on and the brief knight encounter, the first sanctuary is pretty lighthearted with jack, gerson, and the cup niggasit's not until the initial fountain is sealed where the chapter starts getting heavier, like susie learning of gerson's death, more details on the prophecy, the fake gerson, ralsei's confession, etc
>>738577129Now another angle:Chapter 3 is about tricking you by starting with a wacky character showing up to annoy you for some time, just like the previous chapters (AND the previous game), only for the party to eventually say "fuck off this is getting old" and have the story switch gears.What you proposed for 5 is the exact same thing structurally.
>>738577215He has a shadow crystal after all, The Sans/Toriel thing makes it very obvious in fact, I think this will be the chapter to fibally highlight Toriel as much as a loser as Asgore
>>738577094I get that, but if the shelter or the lake is the final chapter is what im unsure on. I think the lake being the final chapter works as much as the shelter being the final chapter.Lake has reflection/refracting water... midnight lake dark world would be a sight.>>738577262I think Ch 5 is going to start lighthearted with the festival in the lightworld before nose diving hard once whatever the fuck happens there goes off. Ch 4's lightworld is notably weirder than other lightworld segments.
>>738577187Are you going to completely ignore how the secret boss played out in 3?Also, you're just scratching the surface with how much Toby projected himself into Tenna. His whole shtick there felt like he was venting about the pressure of making Deltarune and how it was going to be taken. He even talks with similar mannerisms Toby uses at his blog posts and streams.
>>738577361Asgore got a blackshard, not a shadow crystal.
>>738577301>starting with a wacky character showing up to annoy you for some timeI didn't say anything close to that.>only for the party to eventually say "fuck off this is getting old" and have the story switch gearsThat's also not what I just said.Anon I'm not going to reply to you beyond this if you're only going to pretend to read my posts.
>>738577361Prior dark world fountains were opened inside of buildings... ch 5 is near certainly going to be opened in the middle of a festival and drag in a lot of people in a way prior fountains didn't. If we get a 4th party member again it'll probably happen in ch 5.
>>738577475>I didn't say anything close to that.>start incredibly silly and lightheartedMr. (Ant)Tenna's TV Time!>then The Evil Plan will play its handRamb, make sure Toriel is asleep! The Knight promised me viewers!>things are going to get real bad, real heavy, real Weird, REAL fast.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDPOR4hfe-Uthenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Us0DZgexw>Anon I'm not going to reply to you beyond this if you're only going to pretend to read my posts.You're just like Toby, you have no fucking idea what you actually implied with your words.
>>738577474Really? I must have missremembered does that mean Asgore went into the dark world and beat the Knight's ass?
>>738577628Hard to say if asgore is who will fountain or not, could just as easily be carol given they're co-conspirators.
Dess raped Kris theory
>>738577628>* We'll all be a happy family again... won't we?>* ...>* It sure is beautiful, isn't it...?>* ... this black shard.He gets it from Carol's bedroom.>* "BlackShard" - A small chip of extremely hard glass.>* Oddly, it's nearly opaque.The Shadow Crystal is the Glass in the light world instead.
>>738577679>And this time, she'll have to believe me.>...They all will.How is this not a total smoking gun on his intent to open a fountain in the middle of the festival.
>>738577829I don't buy him opening it out in the open because Toby has said in the past 5 is supposed to be a more traditional chapter like how 4 was, and an outdoor dark world would be likely fucked up
>>738577439>Are you going to completely ignore how the secret boss played out in 3?I did think about that but didn't feel it really impacted the point about the actual story/dungeon structure relationship. The main "dungeon" of the chapter has you spending a lot of time in this one game, so it makes some sense the secret bsos would stay within that established mode of play.>you're just scratching the surface with how much Toby projected himself into TennaI don't think I was scratching that at all, but I also think that's steering outside the point of the story structure itself. Every author puts themself into their story and characters, you can basically hear Toby's voice in every character if you're keeping him on your mind. I definitely don't need to read into Tenna's words to understand the pressure he feels, because he's made it pretty clear outside the game that the success of Undertale has weighed on him, be it through the Kikiyama interview where he really autisticly tried to feel validated about his worries by asking Kikiyama if he felt the same, or more directly on twitter where he literally said he didn't want Deltarune to live in the shadow of Undertale.
>>738577187>>738577439The entire conceit of Chapter 3 is the narrative tension between "wow! The Dark World is awesome!" that played out in Chapter 1 and 2 and the real plot and issues that are bubbling up under the surface which can't be ignored for much longer.This is the case from the very start, with Susie being forced to acknowledge that Ralsei "isn't real" and the tension between them that persists into Chapter 4, the whole plot of the Chapter is explicitly wasting time with fun and games to distract the Fun Gang from their problems that keep leaking through and spoiling the fun, culminating in the Dark World that Susie thought of as a secret special place with her friends being invaded by The Knight, who fucking "kills" Tenna after Susie bonded with him and literally drags the story back into reality by abducting Undyne.I don't know why anyone thinks that the varying tone and dissonance between Chapters is an accident, it could not be more intentional.>* ... I'm fine as long as you want to keep playing, Susie!>* ... I mean, the last game was wicked fun, but...>* Get the feeling this'll keep going, until it gets old.
>>738578057I think the ch 3 we got was better than what people was speculating on for this reason, we did get a TV head antagonist heading it and we did get a lot of insight into kris and toriel's relationship.Hell even Toriel being absent for most the chapter, asleep in a gachaball the whole time, kinda is saying something about toriel's character.
>>738578174queen mother still stands true, note how she's pretty dismissive of kris despite venting to him a lot the parallel is most clear at the end of ch4, but i think her literally being asleep when all these things involving kris are happening around her in ch3 also is supposed to mean something
>Undyne laughing about the idea of a dark world in the same room she has a ghost sidekick cop and dog people locked uppeople are funny like that, aren't they?
>>738578612A thing I noticed is that toriel is very invested in the church service. Like she basically runs it from what I understand.
>>738578845yeah, iirc alvin implies he's a little tired of her preaching things to kris and asriel that flat out are not part of their religion despite her being a fairly prominent member in it which is also interesting because there's a chance toriel's a convert from another religion we know nothing about, since her idea of 'sin' had to come from somewhere else since the angel religion doesn't do that
The monster-human relation is hard to really figure out because we only really ever see the human we control. We never really have dealt with another human and their SOUL.I have no idea how you'd have a fight like that go anyways, the SOUL is such a uniquely player controlled element.Or maybe it isn't uniquely human and the SOUL is some entity that possesses people that isn't related to being human or monsterBut without dealing with any other true humans we have no idea.
>>738579239Closest it gets I guess is omega flowey soulsbut that is different from a human that is a humanand not a soul absorbed to some fucked up flower abomination
>>738579239>>738579325susie makes a comment in ch4 when she see's kris' soul at some point in the chapterif even susie knows about souls then it's probably something humans can just do
>>738553665Papyrus?
Ch 5 having Asgore be of genuine aura as a king is my hope as I feel like asgore being made out as a more pathetic character in the light world is kinda to disarm us?Like it doesnt add up, he has a black shard. He clearly has more going on than simply his futile attempts to get back with toriel.>>738579440yeah I just have no idea what other humans in the world are like.If all humans have a soul tormenting them like kris does or if the soul kris has is a special case even by human standards.Having to deal with another human at some point in game just doesnt happen.
>>738580190A "human" type encounter is probably not going to happen.How a fight like that even would go compared to a monster one evenClashing souls in attack turns somehow I guess?
Well?
>>738580190presumably humans are harmonious with their souls because it's actively part of them, there is no difference between the soul and the humankris is a special case because his soul is being controlled by (you) after being summoned by gaster, the game still calls it kris' soul but that just isn't true, because kris cannot control what it does
>>738580548yeah it is kinda analogous to a demonic possession.we are a fucking demon kek
>>738580686do you think toriel will exorcise (you)?
>>738580686kris did try to summon a demon with catti that one time
>>738580713imagine is that is how the weird route ends
It's not (You), it's Kris' SOUL. It's a story about a boy in conflict with his own soul. I cannot believe how fucking dense this fandom is. It's horrible.Literal retards missing some of the most obvious symbolism I've ever seen in media
>>738580941ok, then why can (I) control kris' soul and kris cannot? why does the soul not do anything when (I) make no inputs?
>>738580941that just loops around to if the SOUL is always this in conflict with the human it is connected toOr if Kris is a peculiar case by human standardsAnd like what the hell an encounter with a human-type opponent even looks like as we never fight or chat with other humans in these games, we are like the only one.
>>738581030And yeah I know it's never going to happen because if other humans were to be encountered in game I feel like we'd have gotten the name of someone else setup in an earlier chapter. But it looks like to be a similar case to UT where humans are mostly a distant, mythical thing... outside of Kris and Kris is very alienated and loner due to that. I keep picturing that like, a human opponent would attack us with their soul in combat turns as that is the one thing that really has a human stand out and the closest thing we have to 'human opponent' happens when fighting omega flowey in UT.
>>738581170what if gaster is a human
>>738580941To be fair, Toby is making this complicated in general, that same text in your image also happens in the titan and says YOUR SOUL instead of KrisThis is another confusing moment, oh Kris can play an entire song on his own with the soul inside but also we can force him to do stuff?
>>738581170boss monsters have souls (the white hearts) but they dont attack you with them
>>738581290boss monsters aren't a thing in deltarune
>>738581290The asymmetry in the combat is a bit hard to pull off opposite direction on, having to 'construct' attack patterns to try to hit the soul of an opponent with a soul sounds like a pain to program or keep from being as simple as making an impossible to dodge wall too.
I wanna root Carol.
>>738580395Nah, Toby knows people wanted to fight Chara in Undertale, so we're getting that with a Kris fight.
>>738572370Of course a microphone doesn't talk, you talk into it
>>738577474He doesn't have either. The blackshard is in Carol and Rudy's room, it's theirs.
The Vessel is the lost girl
>>738580941While I won't deny the obvious heart-shaped symbolism in the room, you'd also have to be ignoring the entire intro sequence, the distinction between (You) and (You)r vessel, the fact that Castle Town gets named after (You), this goddamn klaxon alarm in the light world chapter 4 sequence, and the inconsistencies with Kris's history if we're assuming that "Kris's" soul was theirs and thus owned for their entire life, like Noelle commenting on Kris's strange new behavior or the bird cage and the bloodstain being there at the start of the game despite the Dreemurrs having no pets or alluding to owning any in the past. Deltarune is never a single, solid interpretation.
>>738577529Why does Asgore need to open a dark fountain to prove anything? Wouldn't it be easier to just open the shelter? He should have at least one of the codes.
>>738584948>GUYS GUYS GUYS I HAVE PROOF THIS TIME JUST GO TO THE SHELTER GUYSnot happening
>>738585007>GUYS DESS IS IN THE SHELTERThere, you got people rushing in there to rescue her
>>738565356I'm almost certain that 5 will have a major reference to Omega Flowey between Asgore’s TV and the flowers, yeah. I'm not sure if it will be a Titan but Omega Flowey is going to be directly referenced with some sort of easter egg within. For Gaster I'm pretty sure he already uses Giygas sound effects in Chapter 1 so I do think he will reference it, either. Chapter 6 being a lore drop would make sense but that depends how much Toby wants to reveal what Gaster is, although we made get a lore drop about what Deltarune is instead.
>>738585127December has been gone for years, you think that shelter wasn't thoroughly combed through by the mayor when the incident happened? Toriel would actually be justified in slapping the shit out of him for that kind of stunt
Would Carol swallow?
>>738585632only if you asked her nicely
>>738563615My best bet, while this could happen at the start, i think it also makes sense that seam will explain after the 5 crystal what they do, also the fusion shop did say that next time his stuff will be updatedStill even if you craft it early, probably it will be at the end so most likely for ch6UNLESS SECRET SEAM BOSS FIGHT
>>738565275I'm pretty sure they would just be transformed like lightners are, we just need Napstablook's snails to return so we can see how they would look in a Dark World.
>>738583821how would it be an interesting fightwould it be a mirror boss situation or something else
>>738581220Honestly the narrator is pretty inconsistent, the whole Kris/player relation is. Sometimes the narrator says Kris did something sometimes it says YOU did something. Sometimes Kris can do shit on his own with the soul in him sometimes he can't. Sometimes the narrator seemingly prevents you from doing something or gives you info Kris would not want you to know.I really want to see where Toby is going with it, If it's intentional that is. If it's not, then all theories are bunk. All evidence for them is useless because you don't know what's intentional and what's not.
>>738585886It could work like a regular RPG fight which would be interesting.
>>738567215I think it's easier to pacify Guei than normally spare it iirc.
I think what complicates this is we have a sample size of 1 on humans unless you count UT frisk but the soul rules in UT are different.Unless sans, papyrus and gaster are just humans whose souls cling to skeletons or something, never was confirmed and papyrus and sans shatter to dust, but like so did boss monsters.frustrating/it'd be easier to know if you could confirm which character did have souls like if toriel and asgore on death had their soul break like the player soul does. But they just seem to dust disintegrate like any monster, they only don't when injected with fucktons of liquid determination.
>>738572238I believe it because it was literally show to us to be FRIEND and Toby posted on bluesky about drawing chairs with Temmie which feels like foreshadowing. >>738572370This I mostly believe on depending if Mike is going to be actually important or not.
>>738584680This is just the "Vessel has Dess's soul" theory but it would make all Kris x Vessel art hilarious.
>>738572370I feel like if mic was going to be more relevant they'd have featured as the secret ch 3 boss instead of the shadow mantle?
>>738586607"Damn. It led to doe again"
>>738549039Monkey paw. Sure Noelle and Berdly never becoming main characters sucks but look at the bright side at least it minimizes the possibility of suselle happening =)
>>738547606>thread with embed porn image is still up
Toby should've just made them all college age
>>738586929Toby should've made them all lolis.
>>738586648Dess's game, doe game.
>tf every single thread about deltatroon will turn into crackhead shitflinging war about who is really the knight and making a big deal about it>tf in the end it will be nothingburger or questions with no answers
>>738583821I think the knight fight in ch 3 is kinda like what a chara fight would've been kinda like, replace the swords with knivesLike especially the whole ripping up the soul box thing the knight doesBut also how do you even make chara something that can be fought, never got people who wanted to have chara be a fight. And the fan games with fightavle chara being edgy au stuff where the fight was basically spamming knives just made me think it a bad idea in general.It also feels like trying to defeat an idea doesn't it? Like they can't even exist on a pacifist route because they exist as a manifestation of you wanting numbers to go bigger. And Asriel already did the pacifist player against ungodly OP stat maxed super god boss vs lv1 player contrast.
>>738586707Anon-san, Noelle has the same special message in the vessel creation alongside Kris and Susie and also has updated item interactions with Kris, maybe not permanent party member but relevant enoughBerdly however it's hard to say he will be ch2 levels of relevant again
>>738587054Why do you like the lamest lookssame character designI fucking hated touhou and black souls for it Hell I get annoyed when you get yellow making them too much the same furry body type when undertale had there be lots of variance and like deltarune almost fucked up there for a bit but avoided the samefucker syndrome of subcultural grey goo fucker design like the furry and the moe or the lady author that just has every creature be the same himbo man with super powers in her soft core erotica romance books she sells on amazon
>>738585820thing is though, we've had monster souls and human souls, never animal souls as far as I can tell. Plants, despite being living organisms, are turned into Darkners in the Dark World. Flowey, who was a plant given a will to live and dust to imprint on (Asriel's), lacked any soul at all. And I get that was in Undertale and not Deltarune, but neither setting alludes to plants having souls, so I think its safe to assume right now that animals never having their souls mentioned means they probably don't have those. So far the only concrete physical differences we know of that separates Lightners and Darkners is that the latter group, being objects in the Light World, lack a soul. Spamton NEO wanted to ascend into Heaven (Light World) and to achieve that he tried taking Kris's soul. If animals lack a human soul or a monster soul, what really separates them from Darkners in a Dark World if being a living organism isn't a factor?
>>738577829I don't believe you can make a fountain in broad daylight. It has to be indoors or otherwise dark. It would completely contradict Ralsei's explanation at the beginning of chapter 3.
>>738586847I don't think jannies are smart enough to tell anymore
>>738587054I already lost track of who's who.
Release on June 4 or announcement on June 4, trust the plan
Happy mother's day to my wife Kris.
>>738578057Something that always felt bizarre to me is Susie's negative reaction when Tenna first shows up. Sure, he interrupted her moment with Ralsei and all but it's the first time the dark world has promised genuine fun without robotocizing their faces or anything, and she gets mad for no apparent reason like "we don't have time for this we're on an adventure" bitch the game show IS the adventure you just want a boring desolate walk to the fountain?
>>738560156toby seems afraid of fully committing to making deltarune a “proper” rpg. Like it has a bunch of expected jrpg elements. A party system, defined class roles, more unique armors and weapons but it feels pretty half baked. Right now it feels like Toby is banking more on the story and bullet hell styled combat to sell the game
>>738580941How could kris make kris make Noelle kill Berdly? That’s so evil
>>738591408>>738560156I wish Deltarune was a real 60 hour long JRPG with Dark worlds serving as overworlds for you to explore, a rotating cast you can choose who to go with you, actual XP leveling (without the muh VIOLENCE bullshit) so the game has actual progression where characters learn new abilities you can use fill up the spare meters, and itemization matters far more because you can make real builds in the gameI don't understand why Deltarune couldn't be this, I would sacrifice the density of whimsical jokes, flavor text and enemy variety if there was more gameplay density which the game severely lacks. Ironically it would've been much better if he ripped off Earthbound and Mother 3 far more than he actually did
>>738587291I'm pretty sure that the Knight literally uses attacks from Chara fangames like no more deals. Also Chara is present with Frisk in pacifist and all routes as confirmed by Toby in the anniversary stream.Anyways I'm not one of the people that wanted a Chara fight in Undertale either. Fighting Chara or Frisk would ruin a lot of what Toby was trying to tell in Undertale, but fighting Kris does make sense and I can see Toby following on that idea of fighting a human like he followed up on the idea of fighting Mettaton NEO with Spamton NEO.
>>738591847>I don't understand why Deltarune couldn't be thisI can explain it to you very easily, if he decided to include all that, Deltarune would be coming out in 2070.
>>738560156I think Sparing is a pretty bad game mechanic for a game like Deltarune, especially since the game clearly doesn't want you to fight most encountersSparing being incentivized>Makes most gear pointless, since attack /offense doesn't matter much except for key fights>Requires little skill, input, strategy etc from the player>Makes it so non-support magic attacks aren't needed (Susie without S-act in ch1 literally was a bricked party member outside of sparing and Xacts)>Removes any sense of progression from the game outside of recruits (which exist as flavor text)I'm purely in Deltarune for the story payoff, and the few battles that are fun. But the moment to moment gameplay is carried by jokes, schizo shit or the plot, it'll be way less relaplayable than Undertale when it's all said and done
>>738589941This but other two humans. I love milf humans.
>>738592102>Deltarune would be coming out in 2070.We have hundreds of thousands of RPGmaker games in the market that didn't take decades to releaseMaybe it would take that long if he persists on trying to code a million minigames he doesn't know how to and takes hours and hours of game dev time for something the player will engage with for 3 minutes
>>738592102Act mini games take more dev time than making an RPG
>>738587898That's an actual good analysis. Yeah, if animals don't have souls they would probably become a darkner. I guess maybe they will be able to speak and act like a living people. Now I want Chapter 5 to actually expand on this.
>>738592216>>738592263The way I see it, the game is taking ridiculously long and despite that the gameplay is sitll barebones, if he had to make it any more in-depth the development time would be even more ridiculous.Don't get me wrong, I think what you're saying it is completely understandable, it's not absurd, or, rather, it wouldn't be absurd if Toby Fox wasn't the one developing the game. But that's the problem, Toby Fox is developing the game.
>>738592102This. Toby has to cut corners to make the game release, just look at Chapter 3. He had to cut a shitton because of delevopment hell.
>>738592968Cutting the third board was the right decision. Two boards + sword route + egg sidequest + all the backstage shit is more than enough. Adding another (even larger) board with more quizzes and fights and all that shit would have just bloated the chapter.
>>738592102I get that deltarune is more complex that undertale but genuinely how the fuck is it taking THIS long. Undertale only took a few years after its kickstarter and unlike that Toby has an actual team and the connections to hire competent people to speed up development. It’s not like adding more rpg are some Herculean task consider there are plenty of indie games that are significantly more complex in that regard. Is it really all the stupid gimmicks and “skeptical” he adds, is it the fuck ass engine he’s still using?
>>738559974Also the one Kris sits on when the mood strikes them all for some unambiguous yuri.
>>738591847>I wish deltarune was a boring, standard JRPG instead of something uniqueI'm so glad Toby is making this game and not you.
Kris is the Patience soul to represent how long you have to wait for Deltarune
>>738593051It's easy, Undertale had an actual timelimit because it was a kickstarter game unlike Deltarune where Toby is a millionaire so he can waste time on dumb shit that doesn't relate to the game. Undertale would probably take longer if Toby had no pressure making it.
>>738593051>Toby has an actual team and the connections to hire competent people to speed up developmentI think one of the main issues is that the team was horribly mismanaged at first, hence it leading to the producer being hired. There is also another thing, though I have no actual evidence and I'm basing it purely on gut feeling, but I think Deltarune's development is lax on purpose, I think, even with the producer being in place now, there is 0 pressure on the actual development team with maybe the exception of very generous deadlines, so this leads to a slower than usual development.
>>738593110It already has the bullet hell combat and ACTing to make its self stand out and even then the act button is fairly under utilized in most fights. Mettaton’s battle was the only one to really get the most out of it
>>738576841They're his children...
>>738573142>>738573303Honestly I don't know why he just re-used until next time. A proper new song would've been better.
>>738566812Fanart is supposed to save his art by making everything look prettier, he even said so in an interview.
>>738593051It must be the engine. No may it takes that long to code some flashgame tier gimmicks.From what I understand, currently they're using a costom verson of GameMaker with the game_change feature. The thing's probably held together by ducktape and super glue which is why it takes forever to get anything done. If Toby had the capability of foresight, he would have hired professional codemonkeys and stitched engines way back in ch1.
>>738566812because jew
>>738578681In retrospect, now that we know Undyne was going down to the Shelter with Carol semi-regularly and "it was the only thing that ever made her nervous," it seems like she might have been bullshitting KrisUndyne being in on the conspiracy wouldn't make sense, but if Carol thought that she knew too much, it's more justification for kidnapping her beyond just stopping anyone else from getting the Police CodeIt's also always been interesting that Kris goes out of their way to bring up the Dark World to her and try to convince her that it's dangerous, was it all just part of the plan to lure her into the Dark World or was Kris actually hoping she'd be able to help somehow
I want an abuse darkner to take all my orders with the threat of annihilation hanging over their head
>>738548513>>738547606true, this pic is a lot better
I really like this guy's art.
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>>738593845
what if Noelle was a heterosexual?
>>738593723I was expecting an embedded lewd image, but this is fine too
>>738585735I still think this wont be determination but something else. Toby set it up this way specifically to trick people
>>738593051>>738593513An anon is making a deltarune fangame in godot relatively fast on his own, sure he uses existing assets but Toby has a team of artists at his beck and call so assets aren't an issue.The engine is just badly coded.
>>738585887The text summoning Noelle at the end of the Chapter 2 Weird Route makes it pretty clear that the difference is intentional on some level. I would assume that the inconsistent narration is done to not make the dynamic too obvious and also as a mirror of traditional RPG's, which also shift between third and second person frequently.
>>738594363That game also got help from other anons, some provide music and sprites. But yeah it's still a pretty big example that shits going wrong with Toby's process (even though obviously it has lower production quality)
>>738573446Fujos and female shippers in general love angsty relationships where one party wants to kill another, even before we had a canon Tenna we had Spamtenna shippers simply because they hated each other.
>>738547606I hope you all realize that the more you hype up Gaster and FRIEND as godlike villains the more likely it is Toby will turn them into a joke like Mike to rugpull you.
>>738593051A bit of A a bit of B, chapter 3 has significant scrapped content because it just has horrid pacing, I imagine he also has to scrap other microgames sections etc. Game maker isn't that good, but Toby's code is likely worse and it likely was the base for any system in the game unless he had people go through his shit and fix itToby probably didn't mange the team properly, either that or his other tasks made him too busy. Regardless if he were to make another game, he needs to figure out the engine shit and keep his team/improve it
>>738594850this, I am going in with 0 expectations because I already know I'm going to be disappointed
>>738594850>>738594941Also unlike RJ with Snoke, Toby can fuck over the Gasterfags and FRIENDfags since the Roaring Knight is the main villain anyway. What are people even expecting Gaster/FRIEND to do besides just being "more Darkner enemies" like, say, King?
>>738586113In Undertale I've always interpreted the SOUL in the battle box as an abstraction of Frisk moving around, which I think the text generally supports. Frisk's SOUL stays inside their body. The only character I remember acknowledging seeing Frisk's SOUL is Flowey, which is because he's the meta character doing the "tutorial."In Deltarune, it seems like the SOUL can freely leave Kris's body while staying connected to them, but only in the Dark World. In the Light World, we seem to be stuck in Kris's chest unless they rip us out, and we don't seem to be able to just project ourselves elsewhere like we can in the Dark World.It's also not entirely clear how much of the SOUL moving around in the Dark World is actually happening. Ralsei points out the SOUL in the battle box as part of the battle tutorial in the same that Flowey does (with the same line), but he's the meta character, and nobody else seems to acknowledge the presence of the SOUL in battle, except for the meta-aware superbosses like Spamton and Gerson. Susie doesn't ask about the SOUL until you seal the Titan with her, so she apparently didn't notice it flying in front of her in battle a hundred times before that. She perceives the statue of the old man attacking her, not the SOUL (which it is portrayed as doing before the battle properly starts). Kris and Ralsei are aware that they can distract us and send our attention elsewhere, but you don't see the SOUL physically zoom from Kris to that location unless Susie enters a battle.I think the duality of the SOUL as both Kris's physical SOUL in their chest, an object that they can rip out and beat with a hockey stick, and the metaphysical representation of You, a digital avatar and pointer that You use to interact with the game, is a difficult concept for a lot of people to wrap their head around. People know it as a fact, but it's hard to grasp both aspects being true at the same time, even when it's contradictory (as in the Weird Route).
>>738593051Deltarunes code base is actual dogshit and the game has a lot of complex switch statements.Also development hell because of the team being mismanaged at first, Toby’s wrist injury, the fact they’re not putting a lot of pressure to release it, very generous deadlines.We genuinely expected to have the full game by 2021 at the latest, now we know the full game will be out in 2028 if we’re lucky
>>738594850Toby does not change his story for the fans.
>>738573827I think Mike at first was just a gag character joking at backstage and to mirror Alphys' hotland role in Reverse UT theory that became more important because fans thought he was more important. >>738573925I don't think he was meaningless but he was basically just the camera/mic guy behind the TV host that we ended up thinking was the main showrunner.
>>738593051>genuinely how the fuck is it taking THIS longThere's a lot of reasons honestly>Undertale was less complex like you said>Undertale also had significantly less popularity during development, even when it had a demo, leading to less pressure fomr Toby to get it right>Toby's a perfectionist who's making that game based on a fever dream he had, likely being really picky and needy about every little thing>Having a team to convey these ideas to only makes that previous point worse>Deltarune was already something of a concept in Toby's mind before Undertale, and Undertale was considered his test run to making Deltarune, so he likely had more of a loose attitude towards developing Undertale>Terrible management of the dev team when he first got one formed>Chapter 3 being highly ambitious thanks to Toby being excited to have some competent coders make shit he wouldn't be able to on his own>Game Maker being a generally terrible engine for a game of this scope, so much so he pulled strings just to make that part easier in its own ultra-specifically jank wayUnrelated to the delays, I remember Toby saying he also tried messing with other game engines before ultimately falling back into his comfort zone with Game Maker. Makes me wonder what would have happened if he managed to get a team competent in an engine that didn't need to segregate itself into several projects just to make compiling easier.
>>738594850oh mikefag...
>>738595070Oh, come the fuck on. You really think he isn't making shit up as he goes along?
>>738594363>>738593513>>738593051It takes a long time because the game is his baby, he has effectively unlimited budget from Undertale merch sales and no time limits except his mortality. If he churned this game out in the time it takes to make a new FIFA game then you wouldn't like it nearly as much because every line of dialogue and song hadn't been combed over to be as good as possible.I get that a lot of you only care about consooming product and then moving onto next product but some people care about what they create, maybe even too much.
>>738595240Didn't Toby say he would need another big game maker update later? I wonder what the fuck else does he need
>>738594850^ the raped
>>738595253>>738595379These posts are going to be really funny when the same people are posting "I always knew FRIEND wasn't important" in a year or two.
>>738594850We're far beyond that, there's like 10 years worth of hype behind Gaster. No matter what Toby does with him, it's going to be disappointing. Best he remains off screen as a mystery
>>738595301>>738595457^ raped AND gaped
>>738574342Yes and everyone will hide in the shelter.
>>738595506NTA but Toby has the general script outline ready but the final version only gets decided once he actually puts it in game.
>>738595478Toby knows that. It’s like if the Sopranos ended with Tony being shot instead of a cut to black, would’ve been a heck of a lot dumber.Gaster is never gonna make an appearance
>>738574671>Susiezilla is mentioned twice only to become an extra minigame pushed into the cornerThis was because board 3 was cut, Susiezilla was going to be the game that ended that board and was cut late into delevopment and then re-implemented as an extra game
>>738595478I personally don't want Toby to "do anything" with Gaster anyway. He sticks in your head because he's this, literally, intangible weirdo everywhere and nowhere. Wanting him to show up as a mustache twirling villain is like wanting your protagonist to fight Yog-Sothoth.
>>738595576The script has been written for years. Obviously when it comes time to actually make the game he can slip in fucking Among Us and Siivagunner references but he's not "making shit up as he goes along" like the assraped Mikefags would have you believe
>Chapter 5Papyrus is met in the Flower Shop dark world, he came out of the house because of all the flowers in the festivalDess appears and murders Rudy, then retreats to the Shelter>Chapter 6Shelter Dark worldFRIEND loreRalsei's true form revealDefeat DessThe Roaring>Chapter 7Lake dark worldDefeat Angelic NoelleSusie dies
>>738595803Are you going to be OK when neither FRIEND nor Gaster are relevant by the end of the story?
>>738593051toby was doing almost everything himself before, which allowed him to do quality assurance and double check things more easily. since he's more of a speaker and a collaborator now (because his hands are shriveled) i assume the delay is because his perfectionism does not extend to his team.i'm sure deltarune coulda been done years ago if toby didn't have to mother bird all of the other developers.
If Toby was an actual hack writer who blew up his script to make fans happy, this would have been a real scene in Chapter 3 instead of being contained to the Designated Mikefag Asspain Area
>>738594850Don't compare Toby to Roundhouse Johnson you fucking nigger.>>738595023This is fair but you could do something kino like FRIEND trying to drive Ralsei insane. Gaster's probably not gonna show up. FRIEND or something FRIEND-like could be some sort of optional superboss if you get all the Shadow Crystals while the Roaring Knight is the mainline/mandatory final boss (i.e. Culex vs. Smithy).
Was Asriel complicit in her grooming or was he truly unaware?
>>738595816>Susie diesI can't see anyone on the lightner main cast dying, least of all Toby's favorite. Ralsei on the other hand...
>so thoroughly raped you become an unironic Gaster deniergrim...
>>738575429No area in Undertale is a field of pink and gold so no, I don't think that will happen. Asgore will be a king of another kingdom but it will probably be a garden with raining sakura petals. Toby's allusions to Undertale are usually positive rather than negative.
>>738596157>if you think Toby will never reveal Gaster because it’s stupid to have him as anything but this mysterious omnipresent entity then you’re le gaster denier
Gaster is literally an anagram of Easter eggWhy do you think it is anything but that
>>738596252not that anontoby is gasterhe has two self-insert charactersthe dog is just more overtly done. there is proof of this claim, if you dig way, way back.
>>738592187Kris would be a horrible mother but it's okay I still love her.
>>738593110>The Deltarune fan that loves JRPGs but hates every JRPG mechanic and any actual gameplay
>>738595301No I don't.
>>738596141Personally my read on the plot of the game is that the Prophecy says that "the girl with hope crossed on her heart" has to get killed. Furthermore, for whatever reason Noelle Holiday is pretty obviously that girl or at least highly vulnerable to becoming her. Kris and/or Dess became aware of this through FRIEND perhaps. Either way Kris & the Knight (who Kris at least believes is a projection of Dess if not Dess herself) created a plan to prevent Noelle from taking up that role. They initially chose Susie as the fall girl because nobody liked her anyway. That then becomes the core of Deltarune's juicy drama, that Kris has manipulated Susie into a position to be killed only to accidentally now become her best friend. Kris's promise alluded to on the end of ch4 phone call is the promise to go through with this plan, to allow Susie to die so that Noelle may live.This is why weird route centers around the player's creepy fixation on Noelle, she's the thing Kris is actively denying the player this whole time but who is in a sense "demanded" by the prophecy. Weird route is brute forcing this original reading and destroying Kris & Dess's plans. Regular play though has Susie become strong enough through the adventure to fill that role, Weird route guarantees it be Noelle. Whether Weird route ends with swapping some death roles in the finale or ends with the worlds getting destroyed, I'm not sure. I'm supposing the latter because I suppose there will be an allusion to Chara destroying Undertale.
>>738596639Also with all that said, I do believe despite some of Toby's posturing in random tweets that there WILL be a "best ending" where the main 4's lives are all saved. Defying fate is pretty much the main idea of the game.
>>738576097She technically makes fun of Asriel’s game with the hyperdeath final boss and makes fun of Undertale's main theme. I remember people using it as proof Toby secretly hates Undertale.
>>738596087Asriel was completely unaware and yet, at the same time he was grooming Noelle.
>>738596639Most illiterate nigger read on DELTARUNE ever
>>738596464These games are popular for being unlike traditional JPRGs so I don't really understand>"I want Undertale without the muh VIOLENCE bullshit">"I would sacrifice the comedy and writing and enemy variety for gameplay that was more like every other JRPG"You definitely don't understand the appeal of these games and I don't think you even like them
>>738596905Defend your position, you double darkner
The last scene of the game will be a gag DBZ fight between FRIEND and the annoying dog, then the text "IDK write your own ending" will flash on screen before the game wipes all save data and closes
>>738596967I don’t wanna type Im lazy… like just watch twin peaks and Oedipus Rex and you’ll have everything you need to know about deltarune Good luck schmuck
The guy on the phone is 100% motherfucking Rudy Holiday. There's not just interference in the phone call, he's literally sprawled out on his hospital bed out of breath. I can't believe this theory isn't more popular.
>>738597232the cell phone you have is gaster. his SOUL is currently residing in kris' cell phone.
>>738576283>Even now though, people are so addicted to finding some kind of pattern that people are still convinced Ralsei is going to get his own 1v1 secret boss.I genuinely dislike this a lot. Ralsei will get a cool new scarf in 5 but we will not get a solo battle and people need to stop clinging onto patterns.
>>738596401Toby's other self-insert is Spamton
>>738580941>YOU creating your own vessel>saving over KRIS savegame>KRIS acting by himself in several different scenarios>game keeps changing dialogue and talking to YOU>The red heart is clearly you and you are controlling KRIS which is the main plot point>It's not (YOU)
>>738598050more of a fursona really hehe
>>738578057i think my favorite part of people misunderstanding chapter 3 is that they dont realize its pretty much constant suffering for kris>tenna spends the entire fucking chapter harping on shit like the divorce, dess disappearing, kris being alone, the other mountain of fucking issues he has>kris getting to watch an entire divorce play out in front of him again with the weather couple>and the unintentional foreshadowing with rouxls>chapter itself lets the player force kris into an uncomfortable position by playing the MANTLE game and making him confront his guilty pleasure of enjoying dicey situations and also killing his friends>the weird ass creepy 1225 room from the gachapon>the check dialogue for the tenna fight changing based on you doing the sword route or not>kris knowing that the knight is coming ahead of time and probably praying his tire slashing gambit paid off to get undyne taken in toriel's placethe wacky antics and comedic timing really distracts the player well from what kris is feeling and people dont get that chapter 3 is intentionally silly for that reason
>>738597793The actual secret boss weapon we're going to get is another ThornRingHow else would we make the TwistedSword?
>>738598380>How else would we make the TwistedSword?how new are you
>>738598380pic related is the twisted sword ofc
>>738598380by aborting snowgrave at the last second in ch2, or by doing the overflow glitch of course
>>738598380>chapter 5 weird route goes so far off the rails that we don't even fight the secret bossor>we get TWO thornrings on weird route
>>738598560>not twisted>not a swordClassic Toby Misdirection, it's so obvious...
>>738598273>saving over KRIS savegameKris is another player and the both of you are outsiders to the deltarune world theory
>>738580941why does Kris' SOUL have a completely different name (save menu, castle town name, intro)
>>738598372>Kris!! I watched you GROW UP!!>Just admit you NEED ME already!!>Who do you think taught you to LAUGH and CRY!?>... What, you think it's MY fault you forgot HOW!?
>>738577094That "sword" is the exact same knife in Undertale's FIGHT button. It's a knife and it's Kris knife. He's the boss of Chapter number 6.
I just want these anthros to start fucking each other already. My balls have been aching for nearly a decade.
>>738595868Gaster is irrelevant if you play zero seconds of the gameJust play a single digit number seconds of the game before you post
>>738598593didn't mean this as an answer to your question btw just thinking of how this will work because getting the thornring from chapter 5's secret boss seems plausible
WHOS READY FOR 3 MORE CHAPTERS OF SHIPPING BAIT?!?
>>738598538>>738598561>to get Kris's Ultimate Weapon and the payoff to the whole Shadow Crystal plotline you need to do secret bullshit and kill a bunch of Darkners and only traumatize Noelle a little bitlol>>738598593>we get TWO thornrings on weird routeExactly. Kris needs a ring, too.
>>738596401FRIEND is actually Toby's alter ego that represents that he enjoys the suffering and angst he sets up for the characters in his story, as represented by being the opposite of many things (dog->cat, white->black, spare colors->inversed colored)Gaster having a backstory, sparse as it is, is too much to really be a self-insert at this point
Chapter 5 is going to be very interesting because by the end, we'll have all the shadow crystals
>>738598867>Eight years worth of semen made a glopping noise as it flowed endlessly into Noelle
>>738599060Why would Toby need an alter ego for that? He doesn't have the mental illness Undertale inflicted on its primary fanbase where he feels morally obligated to be nice to fictional characters. If you write a story, you're going to cause the characters to suffer, because a story needs conflict.
>>738599204We won't be able to do anything with them until we've given them to Seam.And we don't know if he'll give us the Pure Crystal back straight away or if we have to beat him first in a classic final test of strength.
>>738599850Because annoying dog is tied to le hecking wholesome doggos like lesser and greater dog, pranks like dog residue or the cones in chapter 2, or driving in a child's toy, or shaking maracas etc.Can you name a single time where annoying dog is related or proximal to anything darker?
>>738598852>only 3 more years until we fight kris
>>738594850I hope mainstream opinion on Deltarune changes hard enough so we can finally be heard.>>738595253I didn't make that post you retard
>>738577829He will fail to make one and retreat to his shop where there actually is one.
>>738594850At this point, i really don't care
>>738579239Humans have SOULS, all of them do, it's just part of their existence. Knowing Toby fighting another human is probably like a normal RPG fight.
Kris? That's not... the CockRing, is it?
>>738580190Kris probably has a different soul possessing them, outside of that all humans just have their own souls.
>>738580941The Goner Maker scene just debunks that in general. We clearly see the SOUL being summoned there and was supposed to be in the Vessel. I never seen anyone explain that when they say we just play as Kris's soul.
>>738600636People just need to self insert even if the story is so adamant and blatant about the SOUL being (you)
>>738581030>>738581170Undertale had us talking to Chara and Deltarune technically has the Vessel has another human. So it's possible.>>738581290All monsters have souls, they just disappear upon death normally.
SEX WITH NOELLE
>>738594850Judging by the state of these threads, the festival being a disappointment would be a stronger blow lmao
>>738594850The only people who were "rugpulled" by Mike being """changed""" (lol) are faggots who got one name and attached it to every open spot in the story.
>>738594363Deltarune Yellow is impressive but it's basically a skeleton game compared to actual Deltarune and it doesn't have much of Deltarune's minigames.
>>738601242Deltarune Yellow isn't the full time job of a rich celebrity indie dev with a team, anon.
>>738594850Toby isn't like that, even Mike wasn't a real rugpull. Toby won't spit on his fans face, he loves fanfiction and theorizing.
>>738595038>The only character I remember acknowledging seeing Frisk's SOUL is Flowey, which is because he's the meta character doing the "tutorial."Papyrus acknowledges Frisk's soul during their date as well.
>>738601313NO KRIS DONT DO IT
>>738601370Mike is far, far away from the only spit on the face in the new chapters, and isn't even the first time he did something like this.You're talking about the man who has explicitly said in the past he likes making people feel cheated out.
>>738596087Asriel only rapes a femkris.
>>738600636>We clearly see the SOUL being summoned thereThat is literally just a visual. It could be as simple as it being "summoned" to the screen. Why do you feel the scene indicates it was taken from some distance, exactly?>and was supposed to be in the VesselMaking claims about what was "supposed to be" in one of the most vague, non-literal, and symbolically charged segments in the game is quite a bold stance.>I never seen anyone explain that when they say we just play as Kris's soul.We literally see Kris's soul can move freely of his body whenever his eyes are closed. Gaster, or whoever was in charge during the goner maker, pulled it in while he was asleep. Simple as that.>but why would Kris be in conflict with his own soul???I don't know! But there's no other explanation for him having the cage ready to go before the game even started.
>>738596439Chara would also be a terrible mother but at least Frisk would probably be an okay one I IMAGINE it.
>>738601313What is this based on
>>738596639Not the worst read on Deltarune but I really don't believe the weird route is supposed to be the "original" prophecy
>>738547606Gaster will never show up. He's a lot more effective as a greater outside force, actual character Gaster would need to be examined properly and it would lose a shitload of its luster
>>738601804You need to be able to wield common sense to be a decent parent, no tobby fox human would be a good parent
>>738598380The twisted sword is exclusive to the weird route as I can't see Ralsei not getting a special super item
>>738601804Frisk is probably at the top of who would be a good mother, followed by Clover, then Kris and at the end Chara.
>>738600636I am the guy who usually posts the "Kris's SOUL" image that some people get really mad about, the guy you're replying to is a falseflagging retard.The [Heart-Shaped Object] Gaster summons and speaks to in the intro is You. The player is represented with the image of a red SOUL, as you have since Undertale.At the same time, when You are actually put into the world of Deltarune, Kris's SOUL becomes yours. You are overlaid on their SOUL, they become one and the same.You exist in the world of Deltarune as Kris's physical SOUL, an object so weak you can barely push around some boxes, and you simultaneously exist above and beyond it as the red heart that selects options in menus. These are separate and yet one and the same, as demonstrated in the Weird Route, where the SOUL that is limited by its physical nature is teleported into a room when you select an option in a menu.This is the duality of the SOUL I talked about earlier (>>738595038). It obviously isn't some self-inserter cop-out to avoid responsibility, it's the exact opposite. You don't play as Kris, you play as their SOUL. Of course that's how it works, we've always played as the SOUL, and our vessel has always been controlled through it.
An upcoming track from chapter 5 has been ripped in it’s entiretyhttps://files.catbox.moe/7wze8c.mp3
Look at the fucking state of these threads. It took YEARS for the chapter 2 threads get this bad.And you wanna know why? Because "le real story" doesn't fucking matter. What kept those threads alive was shitposting around Spamton, Berdly, Queen and others, not fucking deer/goat family drama and discussions about how Queen is the Universal Mother.We got two brand new chapters but nothing like those moments besides Tenna, who was largely a retread of things already done.Now imagine this shit spread over the next 3+ years that will take before 6 and 7 release. Because of course Chapter 5 will be even more lightner drama and Susie crying about how people are mean to her.
>>738602327newsletter link or nothing buddy
>>738601735I think the idea that Gaster took Kris's soul to put it in a Vessel is just strange, especially since we named it after ourselves, too. You can argue we don't fully know what the sequence is for but it isn't a leap to assume the Vessel was made to contain the soul and thus was supposed to have it. I think the idea Gaster kidnapped Kris's soul just to be used as a cursor doesn't make much sense.
>>738602320Also, if I really wanted to get nitpicky and literal, the [Heart-Shaped Object] in the intro is a different higher-resolution sprite than the SOUL. They're not the same object.
>>738602391>And you wanna know why? Because "le real story" doesn't fucking matter... to the median shitposter on a Deltarune thread? Yeah, no shit.If Spamton was the end all be all that Deltarune should've reoriented itself around producing more of, then you hated Deltarune from the get go.
>>738602391the real reason is that ch4 left us with a lot less to chew on than ch2 and toby gave us a more or less defined release date and nothing else ch2 had the big cliffhanger ending along with weird route, the sweepstakes, and semi regular newsletters to hold people over with the ch4 - 5 gap we've gotten the 10th anniversary that was primarily about undertale with a few things that may or may not relate to deltarune, a single song, and some text to be used in gamethe threads have degraded because we have jack shit and toby has gone all but radio silent on the matter outside of vague 'soon' 's
>>738601313Aside from Papyrus being the Knight as some kind of shock value with no build up, this would be the one thing that I would never forgive Toby for after all these years of waiting.
>>738602320That makes more sense, but I would say we aren't represented by a SOUL in Undertale, unlike Deltarune most player centric scenes actually don't have it unlike with Deltarune.
>>738602087There is a theory that everyone will have a special weapon made from the crystalsBut you only have limited materials, hence why the save files will have a meta narrative importance
>>738600636I would think that it's a similar situation to one with Frisk where we take control if his soul and therefor his body.Could be that Gaster tried to steal Kris' soul. That would give you full control as well as take Kris out of the game since he needs a soul to even be able to go to the dark world. No more Knight shenanigansThe alternative brings up a bunch of questions. Like How did Kris lose his soul? How long ago did he lose it? How long can he last without it? You can just switch up souls and be fine? Compassion, love, determination, will, etc. come from the soul. Do you maintain that if you switch souls or are you in effect soulless? Do you take on the characteristics of the adopted soul? Gaster just had an extra human soul lying around? Who's is it? I can think of one potentially unaccounted for soul but it's a stretch
>>738597232how would Rudy "be...right there...." if he's dying of Monster AIDS? Why did Carol show up instead of Rudy? not that I believe Carol's the caller but w/e
>>738602582>the get go.The "get go" was Lancer doing a Papyrus-esque routine for most of chapter 1 and King actually being a threatening villain for once in the series, while all light world drama was mostly unsaid or pushed to the background besides the bully Susie stuff. That was the game I fell in love with.
>>738602070Honestly, true. Frisk is the type of mother to let her children do whatever like exploring random woods and caves like she did in her youth. Still the best one. >>738602220Honestly accurate outside of the possibility of Clover killing themself because they can't handle the responsibility since they have a liking to randomly commiting suicide when faced with adversity.
>>738599060You mean the Royal Scientist, a position that Toby Fox took at his company before he made Undertale, and undertale's Royal Scientist "Falling into his creation" is not at all similar to what we observe this human doing in the real world? You don't think that him turning into this character to roleplay and tease his new game is relevant to his being this person? Alright.
>>738602327Post SoundCloud link.
>>738602327pretty good for a fanfic track. What's the YT channel?
>>738602820So you projected your own dislike of the actual plot onto the game not moving the main plot forward in every single scene, and got mad that it didn't validate you forever. Cool.
>>738602683I don't actually believe we control Frisk via her soul in Undertale, I think it's more likely that our connection there is via Chara's spirit which is why we can only "control" Frisk after she fell, the UI is named after Chara and Flowey begs "Chara" to not reset.About how can Kris switch souls, I have no idea. Kris is just a strange case as humans can't remove their souls normally. He's just a genuine anomaly.
>>738602391it's only shit now because we've had no crumbs to tide our appetite for more Deltarune, and the theories with most steam ran their course. And let's not kid ourselves, shit was DIRE during the drought with things like "some king of snowgrave" and fuckin' Oberon Smog and the Firegrave nonsense. If Deltarune was just Chapter 2 for 3 more chapters it'd be boring as shit, because Chapter 2 was boring as shit.
>>738603489Let's be honest, the chapter 3 previews being constant did more harm than good. People thought the things they'd seen previewed had to have a certain amount of significance and got upset that Toby once again had held back from accidentally revealing the plot of the entire chapter before it released.
>>738603303>humans can't remove their souls normally but they can do something with them physically, to the most where average monsters recognize what a human soul looks like, because susie clues in to what she's looking at when kris' soul is doing stuff in ch4it might not work the exact same, but it's implied they can do something with them
>>738603226"The actual plot" that was completely uncommunicated in that first demo. Dess has a grand total of 2 mentions and none imply something weird happened to her. Shit like the divorce had so little information it might as well have been something mundane that lead to it. The credits song was so vague it could be anything. Kris pulling the knife was the closest thing to revealing the "real plot" and it was immediately turned into a joke 3 years latter. "A strange knight" opening fountains was the only thing that seemed like a long term plot for the game.Meanwhile, Flowey tells you the WHOLE DEAL about saving if you keep playing the Ruins demo multiple times, and Toriel clearly defines Asgore as your main obstacle.
>>738600636the only reason these guys say it's kris's soul is because of one line in chapter 4. they always avoid the question of how did Kris know something was wrong with their soul and why did they have the bird cage in the first place? then we have to think about if Kris was possessed before and more nonsense. it makes things unnecessarily complicated when it's easier to just say it's the player's soul and connection to the world that Kris and the roaring gang got their hands on which explains everything up to chapter 4. by this point I think it's just trolling cause it got me to type out this long response.
>>738603489>Oberon Smogto give it credit, it correctly predicted gerson coming back to life
Me inside friend
>>738603641>Flowey tells you the WHOLE DEAL about saving if you keep playing the Ruins demo multiple timesDid he also say “Howdy, I’m Asriel! The long dead prince of the monsters!”?>Toriel clearly defines Asgore as your main obstacleDid she clearly define him as her husband and a well meaning guy?
>>738603489>shit was DIRE during the droughtshit was FUN during those times you faggot.I'm tired of trying to speculate about anything and always coming to "which deer is it" and "how much kris hates us" and crap like that. Nothing is going to top the insanity that was FRIEND INSIDE ME or the million fanmade designs for Tenna and Mike, even the Spade Queens.
>>738603489the king of snowgraves shit was funny though
>>738603641The actual plot was communicated. Sorry you were so retarded you saw a setting that had a fantasy world with thematic links to real world locations and assumed the fantasy world would be the "main plot".
>>738602391Holy truth nuke
>>738603709Yeah, it did, but the initial conclusion was still Piles of Asriel's Dust-tier retardation
>>738603931>Nothing is going to top the insanity that was FRIEND INSIDE ME or the million fanmade designs for Tenna and Mike, even the Spade Queens.Funny, I feel the exact opposite. Trying to discuss the actual game and being drowned out by this week's attempt to manufacture The New Spamton before Toby revealed him was hell.
>>738603913>the bedroom is named asriel_room in the files>the whole story going on implies toriel lost a child>the history book gives a more light view on the monster king>asgore has horns in the demo trailer like toriel does>asriel is a mix of asgore and toriel>flowey calls himself a princeSomeone could reasonably guess the main twist of the game with just information from that 30 minutes demo.
>>738549241Bold of you to assume that Toby is capable of designing a proper RPG instead of a minigame collection/baby's first bullet hell.
>>738603986It wasn’t THAT implausible for him to be the knight given what was laid out for us.
>>738595062>now we know the full game will be out in 2028 if we’re luckyYou can't be serious, the absolute most optimistic estimated put it at 2029, and at this point I don't have much hope for that.
>>738603619During a fight a monster can probably see a human soul, it's no different to how we can see real life organs in real life. Susie probably just studied one on school.
>>738603937I still find it hilarious how these stupid memes caused the DeltaTravelers to pussy out and change a notable scene in their game
>>738604030Then why did you even care about those two chapter for 7 years? They're mostly nothing but fluff that doesn't matter much in the end, just like how Undertale was.
>>738603489I remember you're genocides was funny, everything else wasn't.
>>738603641>Why isn't Half-Life 8 hours of Gordon pushing buttons at his workplace like the start they didn't tell me anything about fucking aliens!!>Wtf why is Mario going to some gay desert now that's not what the box showed me!!>Why is Link an adult and Hyrule castle's all fucked up now?? I wanted comfy Hyrule the whole game nice rugpull!!Christ it's like talking to fucking 4 year olds
>>738604369>Wtf why is Mario going to some gay desert now that's not what the box showed me!!Said desert plays out in the same way the grassland does
>>738603641CoL...
>>738604265Because they establish the setting and story I am invested in. Unlike you who apparently liked a handful of characters as freestanding props rather than players within the story.
>>738602391These threads ran out of steam because of the daily shit and because unlike before we don’t we don’t even have any OC or many funny theories to tide us over
>>738604547sorry, I'm not your favorite poopshit schizo
>>738602391I really don't think it's that bad, the current thread is pretty comfy. I don't get why we have people who hate these threads but still post every day
>>738604247God DeltaTravelers might’ve been the gayest game this fanbase created so a meme mindbreaking the fags in charge is believable
>>738603303Who says that's not the case this go around as well =) That would mean the player is, in a way determination itself and that Chara is dependent on us to maintain consciousness. Otherwise, she wouldn't be able to reset since Frisk left the underground.The whole goner maker sequence might be a sham anyway. Whichever option you think is true, Gaster was expecting you to meet Kris at some point. Kinda odd considering we were meant to replace him
>>738604487Angry sun scares me sorry
>>738604487Tenna was the quirky main darkner that you meet at the start and fight near the end like queen. Stop acting like it was Toby betrayed you because it didn’t start out in a field.
>>738602327>le real leak (dot) pinge
>>738603641The plot was given in the first chapter by Ralsei’s legends. We are supposed to seal fountains to stop the Angel's Heaven. The legend revealed things as much as Flowey did.
>>738602327I always save these songs on the extremely minuscule chance they turn out to be real. I have like 10 of them now. None have turned out true yet. This one won't either but I'm saving it anyways.
>>738604667>I don't get why we have people who hate these threads but still post every daySame reason why people post on 4chan despite talking about how shit it is
>>738604769>B-but I wanted to wander around a super big backstage area! Why do I get to wander around a Zelda parody instead? This is A COMPLETE VIOLATION OF EVERYTHING I WAS PROMISED!
>>738604247>>738604686
>>738604653I was joking but he actually was my favorite poopshit schizo.
>>738604854Admittedly, it already got old by the second board. they had to cut out the entire third one because of it. I would’ve liked it more if there was variety in the games they played.
>>738604167More like 20311.5years per chapter+1year on updating and testing game_change+1 year of lollygagging, trailers, arg's, streams, getting approval on consoles for an already released game???
>>738598380Trvke, you need two rings for a marriage after allAlso, Asgore gives Kris a flower in ch4, i think it's easy to say at least there's going to be a flower with thorns in his shop
>>738604667Because I want the CATHARTIC feeling of finding more anons complaining about the game like how it was early after the new chapters, and today I saw that other guy doomposting about Gaster getting a bunch of (You)s and felt like supporting him.>>738604769One guy that doesn't fucking stop bringing up the divorce and shit like that all the time. Even Queen had more restraint on that angle.>it didn’t start out in a field.I loved the hills from the entry area in the chapter. That and Tenna showing up with his theme songs and intro gave me hope chapter 3 was going to be a hell of a fun ride until gradually took away all my good will.
>>738605110oops, wrong link>>>/vg/566519545
>>738604817Toby's boys don't have it in them to leak. The best you'll get is the song titles leaking thanks to Materia like what happened with 3&4's
>>738604902human, I remember you're CATHARSIS
>>738604724At best I feel we're connected to the "demon" Chara and not Chara Undertale herself in Deltarune. The only time the narrator speaks in first person is when calling Castle Town "My Castle Town" which is named after the name you give yourself, so it's not impossible even if unlikely. The player in Undertale is really weird. Maybe we're actual determination, I don't know. I don't think we were going to replace Kris, just live in the same town. I saw a theory recently that the Vessel was supposed to move in with Sans and Papyrus and that's why they recently moved to Hometown, so in this case we would've been neighbors to Kris.
>>738604945CoL is dead and buried my man. You must let go.
>>738605232
>>738605317No, he just moved to Steam.
>>738604854>Why would you expect the TV World to actually be about television? Yeah we had an entire toy-world chapter that was an Alice in Wonderland homage and a computer-world that was filled to the brim with references to digital culture but all that meant NOTHING and you're DUMB for expecting it>>738605052We could have avoided much of this bullshit if Toby just gave us a single other normal adventure chapter before starting the "real plot" stuff, but oh well at least he didn't go forward with trying to reinvent the wheel and make the church a damn maze
>>738547606pedophile general
>>738605469Yeah but he isn't coming back here.
>>738605178It was a bit boring. You’re right on that. But you’ve posted this so many times. We get it, you hate the lightner drama, toby failed you because the legend of tenna boards were boring, you don’t care about the knight, you want more quirky darkners. You say this again and again!
>>738605474Toys are timeless. The internet is current. TV has been dead for a while. Tenna is a CRT with an antenna, so his version of TV has been dead even longer. The only way for TV world to be played as straight as toy world or digital world would be to completely retread the way stories about "TV land" were told when TV was alive.
>>738605178>Because I want the CATHARTIC feeling of finding more anons complaining about the game like how it was early after the new chapters,Just wait until the next chapters come out my man.
I'm going to get cucked beyond belief in chapter 5...
>>738605547damn that's ME!
>>738605815Catti...
>>738605606>You say this again and again!And I'll keep saying because I waited fucking 7 years with a demo that tricked me into caring about a story I hate. Shit like Omori was honest from the get go about what kind of story it was going to be, so I respectfully avoid the game and the threads.
>>738605474It took place on a GAMESHOW with MINIGAMES!
>>738605849Catti getting cucked is very believable thoughbeit.
>feels the need to repeat the exact same complaints every Deltarune thread>wanted Deltarune to repeat the exact same formula every chapterWell, at least he's consistent.
>>738605815I can't imagine how can I get even more cucked.>suselle happens > "I fucking told you lmao">suselle doesn't happen > against all odds I got what I wanted>asgore is humiliated > "I fucking told you lmao">asgore isn't humiliated > against all odds I got what I wanted>festival doesn't even happened > "oh no, now you're the one crying about not getting what the game promised for years LMAO"
>>738605863yeah real good job avoiding the threads jackass
>>738606043I didn't really like how much chapter 2 reused chapter 1's beats, but at worst it was a return to how undertale played out. Now the whole game feels like they took what I praised early on and did the exact opposite, or monkey paw'd it.
>>738606070>the game promised me the festivalI'm going to say it now before chapter 5If even one of you faggots implies that the game didn't give you what it "promised" when the festival or our time at it is inevitably cut short, I am going to disembowel you.
>>738605863>tony tricked me because Chapter 3 wasn't picrelAHAHAHAHAHAHAWOW
>>738606090What? I never post in Omori threads, that was my point.
>>738605547>>738605843Loli humans ftw btw
>>738605815Kris...
>>738605238I meant more replace him in the prophecy. Without him there is no Knight collaboration, maybe even no weird route. I'd assume that was the intent behind the vessel. So when Gaster says ''you are about to meet someone very. very wonderful'' he was either taking the piss out of Kris or he knew the whole thing was going to be a bust.
>>738606247Holy fucking KINO.
Are there people that genuinely don't think Suselle will happen?It's a given at this point
>>738606215Funny thing is, the festival being a disappointment is something the game is possibly building up to. Susie and Kris are too broken to just go there and have fun, it will be like searching for clues in Noelle's house but even more tense. The church was thrashed and they're the main suspects, and Susie already has a vandal reputation. Toby has repeatedly made fun of dating sims since Undertale, and kept doing it through Berdly, so it wouldn't be out of place if Kris gets jackshit from the festival.
>>738606425Kris can still help the knight even if he isn't the cage but honestly I believe he is the actual prophecy knight and Dess is a character that wasn't supposed to be part of it.
>>738606470Yes, there are anons who genuinelly expect to pick their favorite waifu for them- I mean Kris, and it will be their turn to shit up the threads for years on end like how I do now.
>>738606470It's mostly shipfag copers.
>>738606470its copium plain and simpleexpect a max level meltdown when the suselle kiss happens
>>738603665>the only reason these guys say it's kris's soul is because of one line in chapter 4I have always been skeptical of Third Entity and other theories that overcomplicate Kris's SOUL situation"You started possessing Kris's SOUL at the start of the game" is the simplest situation. There's no question about what happened to Kris's "original SOUL," how Kris lost it, where it is now or how Kris might have survived for an extended time without it.Kris simply submitted to becoming your vessel as part of the Evil Plan that they're willingly going along with but obviously don't like.
Canon Kris boob size at the end of the thread>>738602892True, but she would definetily be better and less suicidal than the LeBron James of suicide that is Chara.
>>738606627God it's gonna be glorious to watch, they will make me look like a sane person in comparison.>but what if it doesn't happen?Then I also win because I hate suselle and the meltdown will be on twitter instead
>>738602469>I think the idea that Gaster took Kris's soul to put it in a Vessel is just strangeGaster bamboozled us and we were never going to become the vessel. getting Assigned Kris At Birth was always the plan.
>>738606470>>738606627>>738606743This is one of the reasons why I say, far from being the game dev who promotes peace and goodwill, Toby is actually the indie game dev most likely to cause an absolute shitstorm and some kind of tragedy. I'm surprised no one else sees it.
>>738606470Not in my savefile
>>738606829I'm gonna say, now I think those chapter introduction scenes are just flashbacks or dreams about the past Kris is having right before waking up, so the goner maker and Toriel mentioning the knife are things that happened in the past (or future), like how there is a jarring cut in the TV World fountain closing scene, because what we saw was just a dream of what happened there.
>>738607016ThisWhatever gay teenage romance happens in the normal route doesn't mater, I've already won
>>738607095I admit normal route is cucked with Suselle, but you have to be geniunely dumb if you think the same with weird route
>>738603489I enjoyed the theory of Ch 3 being Steamboat Willie since it was going to hit public domain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h-KEzSAXXg
>>738606930Notch probably lead to worse consequences, but to be fair it was mostly beyond his control.Toby has actively fostered a rabid fanbase not unlike Homestuck, even if he doesn't realize it. Associating so hard with progressivism might also bite him in the ass real hard with how tight the moral standards are, the translation issue was a taste of that.
>>738606930considering how Deltarune's golden goose status was already being challenged by chapter 3's reception, Chapter 5 and the ending(s) will make a significant schism
>>738607016>>738607095>SHE WAS USED UP>YOU WERE USED UP
>>738607172>SHOW YOUR DEVOTION, YOUR [defication] TO THE ONE YOU LOVE MOSTI love how this is literal toilet humor but it's also one letter away from "deification" so it's impossible to tell if it's just Toby being really juvenile or nuclear level ominous foreshadowingSpamton really is the character of all time
>>738606470In Catti I trust
what is that dumbass dog doing anyhow
>>738607784another vtuber collab
>>738607553Catti and her fans never recovered from this.
>>738606503He could do minor things for the Knight but he couldn't create darkworlds for it, sabotage our fight with it or do whatever he's about to do in future darkworld adventures. He'd be irrelevant without a soul.I find the whole vessel replacing Kris thing dubious anyway. Ch3 is prophesied to be the tv world, but how were we meant to get there? How would we bring Susie along if her and Kris didn't get the chance to become friends in ch1?
>>738607430Dude Kriselle LIVES for the doomed aspect, it makes the route even more interesting, also literally the only thing Kris did was speak to her ONCE in the night and that was enough for her, and you can't say she was manipulated because Kris removed the thorn
>>738607507My fav is the one with SANS, Spamton after not surviving
>>738607980I think it's interesting but you know what Kriselle fags want isn't that.
>>738606732Based and human boobapilled.
>>738606470What's up in the air is whether it will explicitly happen or whether it will be open-ended will-they-wont-they up until the very end. I'll be happy if it's the latter.
>>738606829>getting Assigned Kris At Birth was always the plan.I honestly think he just didn't give a shit since Kris sufficed as a vessel enough anyways. He just wants to see you go against fate
>>738606475The festival not being a shit show of apocalyptic proportions would be more disappointing
>>738606829Yeah, I don't believe in that. There's no point in creating a Vessel otherwise. >>738607887Like I said I think Kris was literally the knight in this "ideal" timeline and Dess simply wasn't involved into it, so he was the one doing things directly. Maybe Dess was just supposed to be gonered and not return as a freak of nature.
>>738607507Angel Noelle winning as always.
>>738608096I mean, i know people want it without wr, but most of their fanart is weird route to the point people meme the suffering
>This is what everyone wants Deltarune to be (as a JRPG)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJQDC0Hngcw
>>738608551All I'm saying is that I'd be happy if we got to use key items in battle
>>738605815>t.Asgore
>>738607878saddest deltarune moment
