>>738551237
Not reading all that shit but i replayed assault recently and its actually not as bad as i remember. Its ok i guess.

>>738551350
Zero is a good game, but I know next to nothing about Command.

>>738551748
Dont bother. Just play star fox 2 if you want its gameplay gimmick

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Everything happening right now may not look like it but this is the greatest shit to actually happen to starfox. There have been so many fags running on a low tank since Zero, I can't wait for all the suicides.

>>738551884
Im not reading all that, get a life.

>>738552363
Nobody asked you to, retard.

Assault is a good game if you remove the on-foot parts, which is unfortunately like 70% of the game

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>>738552363
>Im not reading all that
Nobody is. That's the joke.

I'm playing right now. It kinda sucks. The draw distance in all-range mode is so annoying.

>>738551237
I never hated Star Fox Assault. It had problems, but so does every Star Fox game.

>>738553491
Every time I see someone bring up the sales or metacritic I just want to sock them in the face.
I thought we over the era of sucking Metacritic's dick, especially for reviews from the fucking 2000s.

>>738551237
I just wish I had 3 friends who liked Star Fox who I could play with, so I could get one of them to stand on my Arwing wing with a rocket launcher and shoot the enemy team

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I've finally finished it to see what it's like, and... it's okay, bordering on mediocre.

The good:
The story is good and interesting. Killing Pigma was brave, and Wolf being "good" was cool.
Phanter is ok, not a fan Leon voice change.
Also, the Aparoids were a real threat.
Krystal's new outfit is hot, and maybe I'm dreaming, but I think she has biggest boobs in this game.
It was great to see Tricky and Planet Sauria again (the only on-foot mission I liked).
The soundtrack is epic.

The bad:
Only 3 on-rails levels?
The on-foot missions are clunky and boring, one or two levels I could tolerate it, but being half the game kill the whole experience for me.
The grenades are also very clunky, and the mines are useless, they're a waste of inventory space.
Also, the gold difficulty is awful on the on-foot levels. I had to switch to Plate in Corneria because it's nearly impossible otherwise (yes, I made the mistake of playing gold on my first playthrough, so I have to restart the game and go back to the first 5 missions). My advice for new players is to start with Plate or Bronze.
this and no routes ruin the replayability.

If I played this game on its time maybe I will be pissed off only for the on-foot levels so I can now understand the hate but its also not that bad. I still prefer Adventure over this because at least, Adventure was good to control.
This is the game that needed a remake, good ideas bad ejecution

>>738557080
I have all the same complaints, except I have two more. I think the Arwings control a little worse and are slower than they should be. And I don't like that all you can do to change your weapon is to cycle through them all with the A button.

Assault is okay, I think it's fun to go back to every now and then, but I think its more of a skeleton of a great game than anything else.

>>738557613
>skeleton of a great game
this is just a nice way to say a game is shit, nobody can explain what this means

>>738558020
No, I mean it's fun but there's not much to it and if there was more content then it would be great.

>>738551237
I thought it was fun. Enemy vafiety was a lacking and it needed a few more levels. I wish they had continued in this direction with Star Fox. I'd take a polished up Assault with online over yet another remake of 64.

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>>738551237
We were right. Star Fox Assault was the best path forward for the series. It has good bones and could have taken the series into the future if they kept going in that direction and refining and expanding upon it, but this franchise has become a mausoleum to that one time the series was able to sell 3 million copies instead of 1 million copies. Star Fox is never going to break the curse because Nintendo keeps listening to the worst people about what to do with the IP.

Fox being in Mario Galaxy was ironically the only win Star Fox has had in the last 10 years. Nintendo pulled off a hail mary pass and made Star Fox popular again for a hot minute, and once again they found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

They could delay the game and fix it but we all know they're not going to. The game will underperform and once again it's going to be the fans and IP that get blamed instead of the bozos who greenlit this.

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>>738551237
>Apologists
I don't think anyone believes it was ever anything more than ok. People seem to have soft spots for Adventures, but not Assault.
Pros:
Soundtrack is S-tier
Gameplay for flying levels is fun
Multiplayer was good if you had 3-4 friends to play split-screen with
Cons:
Story and characters are phoned in
Game is too short overall
On-foot sections are clunky
Aparoids are a bland enemy

Assault might have the best first level though. Flying through a fleet battle to perform a decapitation strike and then finishing it on the planet below is cool, and like I said above, the music is excellent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeUNNT7sqT0

I wish all of the soft and hard reboots focused on Starfox 2 as their predecessor, because the way the campaign works in that game is pretty interesting. There's been what, now 5 Starfox games since then but you still can't choose your wingmen and they're still all linear level paths.

>>738551237
Nah, only the multiplayer was good. The main campaign had too many meh levels and the lack of branching really fucking hurt the experience.

>>738557080
>Killing Pigma was brave
except he returned in Command.

Star Fox Assault and Adventure were the best games in the entire series and I will continue to defend excellence. Everything about Assault was peak. You niggers are the reason the series turned to shit you deserve this. Enjoy your slop.

>>738557080
The main problem with the foot missions is that zero consideration went into making the movement feel good. It's all just stiff running in an empty map and destroying the same enemies over and over again. Doing basic shit like adding a roll and dash button would already make them a lot more bearable.
The devs didn't have a solid foundation for the foot combat, but still went ahead and made most missions around it, then made those missions far too long and took focus away from the on-rails segments for good measure.

The campaign was mid in Assault. But the multiplayer mode is up there with Smash Bros Melee for some of the most fun I've ever had

>>738560020
>Doing basic shit like adding a roll and dash button would already make them a lot more bearable.
I swear you could roll around. Maybe I need to replay Assault.

>>738560121
That's because it was a multiplayer game at first. It was even supposed to have network play. The single player is clearly tacked on later.

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>>738561713
Was it? Is there someplace I can read more info on that?

Assault is unironically better than Adventures

>>738561713
That explains the random maps using assets not found anywhere in the main campaign.

>>738551237
Twilight Princess fans also exist, just ignore them.

I never played this game, should I emulate it on Dolphin?

>>738562174
Nah. It's pretty mid.

>>738551237
you do realize the new star fox is very closed to assault in terms of game design

>>738562174
I just beat it. There are worse games, but you could also just play a good game instead.

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>>738557080
she does has the biggest boobs in any game, love her new haircut too

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>>738560159
yes, you can roll and strife but it is super clunky and useless because enemy shots are very fast and jump is more quick and better
>>738559110
I didn't remember that, it's been so many years since I played it that I guess I've forgotten almost everything about Command. I still think it was bold how they "kill" him.
>>738557547
yeah the Arwing feels rare, also I dont like how the tilt works here, but I like the brake on all-range mode, better than 64

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>>738562834
To be fair he returns as an AI cube shaped boss. So he did suffer permanent changes from what happened to him in Assault.

>>738561960
>>738561713
https://tcrf.net/Prerelease:Star_Fox:_Assault

>>738562834
Yeah, the brake is pretty cool. I will give Assault that.

I don't like assault because the walker mode is goofy looking, and I feel like having the arwing be something of a VTOL would have been a better option simply because Harriers are a cool-ass jet, and it would make sense for it to have VTOL capabilities.

>>738563901
Yeah, they did that in Star Fox 2. They could've brought it back then, before Zero.

>>738551237
Assault wasn't bad, but it's an example of another company trying to make a new starfox without replicating the design process of the classics, therefore missing the point of short and sweet replayable games.

It's a 7 out of 10, but people want 64 again. Nintendo keeps doing this without realizing people wanted the formula, not just 64 again

>>738557080
I don't really critique Adventures on the basis that it isn't Starfox game, because firstly it's not a Starfox game, and secondly it's clearly meant to be something of a side game. It's a straight up shift into a different genre. It's Mario RPG.
Assault doesn't have that excuse. Assault was the "real" Starfox for the GC.

They could make Adventures 2 now, and I'd be into it, as long as it was a good game.

>>738559978
>Series gets put on ice after Command under performs, because Command is a massive pile of shit
Sorry, how am I to blame for anything?

>>738564003
>It's a 7 out of 10, but people want 64 again. Nintendo keeps doing this without realizing people wanted the formula, not just 64 again
I don't understand why Star Fox is the only flagship Nintendo series that has this problem.

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>>738563901
>walker mode
>Assault
Do you mean 2 and Zero? Because the chicken walker could be cool if they just went full Gerwalk mode with it. 2 was pretty limited by what could be done with the hardware in the SNES, but I don't understand why Zero had to look so lame and toddler-like.

>>738564198
Command was also Dylan Cuthbert coming back to make "his" Starfox, It's heavily modeled on SF2, and doesn't even have the Landmaster.

>>738551350
This is getting pathetic. Come up with new material.

>>738552456
No even the arwing stuff isnt so great.

>>738559013
>We were right. Star Fox Assault was the best path forward for the series.
Its been over 21 years now give it a rest already

>>738565035
Or what? You'll spam more of your shitty metacritic scores?

>>738559047
>Assault might have the best first level though. Flying through a fleet battle to perform a decapitation strike and then finishing it on the planet below is cool, and like I said above, the music is excellent.
Sounds good but in execution the space fleet do nothing and the background action is very bland and disappointing. Speaking of sound while the music is good the actual sound effects are atrocious. Assault is not a good sounding game when you have music to drown it out. Also the character voices sound too compressed.

>>738555139
So youre saying you want to get violent towards people who give facts that you cant refute

>>738553491
But Adventures and Command were both bad

>>738559978
>Everything about Assault was peak.
People who use words like kino or peak to describe games have major insecurity issues. Using strong words doesn't change reality.

>>738565272
Your post is anti-kino.

>>738565124
No but I can say assault was also a sales flop

>>738562086
Faggot lmao

>>738551237
I adore starfox 64 and Assault.
Both are great games.
I played Command and don't recall hating it, but don't recall being crazy about it either.
Zero was fine enough, people give it way too much shit and never played the damned thing.
Kill yourself faggot for trying to start an inter-series feud war.
I'm so tired of you niggers doing this to every IP.

>>738561893
>Assault is unironically better than Adventures
By what metric? Adventures is the better reviewed and selling title and is a title nintendo actually willingly acknowledges such as the recent star fox direct.

>>738565479
You do have to admit assault is overrated when you see the shill posts about it. It id a really mediocre title at the end of the day and did no real favors to improve the series standing.

>>738559047
source on that arwing pic? official? fan made?

>>738565206
A obscure tech magazine review from "iHateNintendo69" who had the game shoved onto his desk on a particularly bad day is not facts.

>>738551748
The thing you need to know about command is that it is a strategy game unlike most star fox games and was made for the nintendo DS so have different expectations when playing it than homeconsole titles. These include command being a lower budget, less technically impressive title and is meant to be played in short bursts like many handheld titles at the time. It also has touch controls for everything but pausing and shooting lasers.

>>738565586
>You do have to admit
Why? Because you personally don't like it? Fuck off already. Retards like you spend so much unneeded energy trying to convince people they don't actually like something they enjoy, as though you genuinely think video game journalists' ratings should have any merit.

>>738565689
You mean the aggravate scores of all the major videogame review companies at the time?

Since this is a fairly civil thread going to remind you fags if you have complaints with Nintendo file them directly to NCL (Japan HQ) via

https://support-jp.nintendo.com/app/ask_opinion

Maybe it won't matter, but no harm in trying to get their attention about current on-goings and future plans. Every piece of feed back can help.

>>738561831
requesting AI singing 'poker face' using Leon's voice. Please, Thank you.

>>738565761
Its fine to enjoy games, even bad ones. I usually find more joy from games that are objectively bad and broken like sonic 06 than a competently made one that's bland and boring like assault.

>>738555307
Was also one of my fantasies playing the game by myself

>>738565949
A game is only bad if I don't like it.

>>738559078
People keep saying the multiplayer is good but i couldn't get into it. Compared to other shooters I've played assault is the least impressive. The multiplayer mode in the new star fox does look fun though. Might soon be considered the best multiplayer in the series eith 4 v 4 dogfights.

>>738566058
You can have lots of fun in a game that is objectively broken and poorly designed. Its the type of fun you make for yourself not intended by the developers.

>>738565586
I don't have to do SHIT. Fuck you.
The game had some control issues, but is was still an early on 3d TPS. Shit was still being worked on, plus it got utterly retooled late in development.
Assault set a perfectly fine ground work for the IP. I won't shift from that point. Period.
All you need to perfect Assault is
>Splatoon tier shooting mechanics, with some good feeling movement options. Be it a roll, permanent jet pack that refeuls upon landing, slide/dive, or whatever.
>all missions have alternate objectives leading to branching paths. Some missions are on rails only, be that arwing, landmaster or blue marine. others are on rails then on foot/All-Range-Mode, or start on-foot/ARM then move to on rails, with a minority being on-foot/ARM only. like 50%-35%-15%
>a few missions let you play as other starfox members but most ar Fox only. say 75% fox only - 25% player choice.
and it'd be perfectly fine. Gives a lengthy base campaign, and plenty of replayability.

Once star fox on switch 2 comes out no one can say assault has the best story or multiplayer in the series anymore.

>>738565761
bro, you come here every day, and try to tell us SF64 is a shitty game and it's fans are ruining the series.
You fuck off.

>>738566236
Only way the story changes/improves for Starfox 2026 is by the James McCloud prologue, and we'll see how that goes. Has potential to be pure ludo, or simply a neat add on.
Multiplayer will likely be pretty damn good though yes.

>>738562401
*out of any game

>>738566212
You said it yourself. Nintendo already has their TPS series (Splatoon).
What's the actual point in Starfox being that, at this point?

>>738566323
>three gameplay modes
>one map each

that shit is not going to take off

>>738566212
None of your suggestions sound like it will make that game worth playing over all the shooters available right now. Your argument about assault being an partly third person shooter is wrong and pointless. The shooting genre has been around for years prior to assault even starting development and even then that does not excuse it for how below average the game turned out. The devs made things functional for the most part but simply didn't have enough experience with the genre to know what how to make it exceptional.

A Fortnite clone is the "logical next step" for the IP. I am not taking questions.

>>738566382
The point is assault is the best game nintendo ever had that they sabotaged and considering not making it the series future and having it be an underrated gem better than games like halo and call of duty is unacceptable.

>>738566610
Your probably joking but fortnite recently had a starwars update where it is basically battlefront 3 and you can customize make your maps using their assets.

>>738566382
Are you retarded?
Genuine question.
May as well ask
>Why make DK, Kirby, Yoshi. Mario is a Platformer hurf derf
Because it'd be a different sub-genre in TPS. By being mostly on-rail and sci-fi themed.
Having diversified options is only a good thing, draws in more consumers.

>>738566397
Sure whatever you say anon.

>>738566529
>None of your suggestions sound like it will make that game worth playing over all the shooters available right now.
Was literally said about Splatoon upon its reveal.
Same for Mario+Rabbids.
It'd be different enough to stand out, plus many devs are more skilled in making TPS these days, especially Nintendo themselves. So improved mechanics isn't an issue.

>>738567009
Why not make Starfox a Starfox game (ie: a game where you fly a plane, and sometimes a tank just to mix things up a bit), instead of turning it into a different thing entirely?

>>738567009
>It'd be different enough to stand out, plus many devs are more skilled in making TPS these days, especially Nintendo themselves. So improved mechanics isn't an issue.
If youre so confident in that go tell that to thr event horizon guy and have him make a multiplayer mode like that. The idea also doesn't sound that fun. If I wanted a good multiplayer shooter I'd just play other series. Why would people want star fox to be a ground shooter? It didnt work when assault came out and yo my knowledge no one really tried making a title inspired by what assault did.

>>738567275
they want it because they want to look at the character's asses.

>>738565153
I wonder if that is the reason there is no option to actually turn the music off. The three songs get a little grating after a while.

>>738567157
Because according to their logic the things that make star fox star fox is overrated and aged badly. Assault is also the only title that held up by modern standards for some reason, both being a logical next step for the series with it doing things drastically different by immitating shooter genre tropes while also being fairhful to past games like star fox 64 despite the best parts about 64 supposedly being overrated and poorly aged.

>>738564695
I meant those yeah. Never played 2, I'll admit that, but I HATED how it looked in zero. But you're right, that design would have been baller as well. It just doesn't sit right with me. Go one or the other, don't go halfway. I will also fully admit, right now, that I'm biased for VTOL. It's just really fucking cool, even if it's a nightmare to maintain and doesn't actually have much tactical advantage in practice.

>>738567368
If you play assault again ot watch YouTube videos about it, try paying attention to the in game sound effects. They're not good and feel disjointed at times with what youre seeing happen on screen.

>>738565035
21 years of not listening to fans and the franchise is not any less damaged.

>>738567405
Except the only thing that aged poorly about 64 are products of it being released on the N64. The core design holds up, and is incredibly fun.
Assault is a really really unremarkable TPS by modern standards, and arguably the standards of then as well. Max Payne was out.

>>738565852
Does this shit even work? I figured you're more likely to get their attention with a viral Twitter post.

>>738567530
Dont tell them that theyll just use a similsr excuse for assault being limited to being a gamecube gsme. I can ensure you even back then the only people thrilled to play assault were those who didnt have othrr games consoles to play better shooter titles. Fortunately for assault the gamecube was lacking multiplayer shooter titles in its library.

>>738567157
So you just didn't read my post then? I specifically said most missions would be fully on-rails only. And on-foot missions would incorporate All-Range-Mode, plus have an On-rails segment in a vehicle.
Why are you being dishonest?
It'd be the same fucking shit, just with some extras.
Learn to read.

>>738567275
Horizon is a shit game made by devs who loathe the idea of fun.
Who gives a fuck about that faggot IP?
And where are you getting this idea that people only want Starfox as only a ground shooter? You are swinging at ghosts.

>>738567405
>Because according to their logic the things that make star fox star fox is overrated and aged badly.
>said literally no one in this thread
>yet tilts at windmills anyhow.
seek help

>>738567672
Assault is limited by it's design. 64 has great design, and is only limited by hardware.
The GC was a plenty capable console. That was the generation where "console limitations" kind of stopped being an argument. GC games still look great, and largely maintain an acceptable FPS.

>>738567527
>21 years of not listening to fans and the franchise is not any less damaged.
They did listen to fans actually. Assault was not well received at the time, nintendo did not feel the need to make a new game like assault during the wii era. Nintendo didnt even feel the need to make star fox for wii since sin and punishment was put out on eshop in 2007 and became a pretty big hit for westerners. This caused nintendo to make a sequel for wii a few years later. So the results were assault caused a decade hiatus of star fox on home consoles whole the wii era had 2 great rail shooter titles that are comparable or in some regards better than star fox 64 in quality.

>>738551237
Assault is good. Mostly. It could have been way longer with more on-rails levels.
Are on-rails levels hard to develop? Why has every game since 64 either been a remake of 64 or intentionally tried to limit the on-rails levels as much as possible?

>>738567572
if you can magic yourself into becoming viral on shitter by all means try.
But it's the most direct method to reach Nintendo NCL and has seemed to get Nintendo to kick NoA a little bit as of recently.

>>738567849
Good on rail levels are not easy to make at all. They require knowing the right pacing of action, pauses and how enemy patterns and obstacles appear. Its vastly easier to just throw a player in an open space and have enemies spawn wherever since it isnt like rail levels where the when plays a major role.

>>738567849
I wouldn't call assault bad but I also wouldnt call it good either. It attempted new things for the series but those didnt work out.

so is just starfox doomed to 64 remakes forever

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>>738551748
People mostly remember Command because of the crazy endings. There's one where Krystal cucks Fox with Panther I believe

>>738567829
Assault was not well received because the Gamecube was dying and it had no online multiplayer even though it was a multiplayer-focused game. Halo 2 was already out a year earlier, and Xbox 360 was about to come out. People blame the gameplay or the story or a million other things but the fact of the matter is that people were moving on from the Gamecube for online games, and a split-screen only multiplayer mode was not enough to bring them back. If Nintendo had actually invested in online games early or delayed Star Fox Assault to the Wii history would have gone much differently.

>>738569271
If assault had any real potential nintendo could easily have re-released it on wii as a new play controls title. They did it eith chibi robo of all games.

>>738564895
Want to know what's pathetic? Backing up your opinions on a game using a Reddit thread you wrote, fag

>>738569271
>Assault was not well received because the Gamecube was dying and it had no online multiplayer even though it was a multiplayer-focused game.
This excuse is even more applicable eith star fox zero, being released on a way worse performing console way later in its life before the next system comes out.

>>738569439
And you dont do the same thing?

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I just tried the original Star Fox game on Switch 2 virtual console.
Is the how game ran on original hardware???
I find it genuinely unplayable. Between the Dpad digital input for steering and the very low framerate. I can't "stay in formation" in the Training at all. By the time I'm doing inputs for the formation, they're already doing something else. I feel similarly about just shooting enemies. Between the frame rate and input delay it's just fucking crazy. If this is how the original game really played, I see why Star Fox 2 was canceled.
I like the new designs btw

>>738569452
Either way Zero sold less than half as many copies as Assault. That's worse than not being a system seller, that's failing to get the existing userbase to show up and it was because of the controls and being a remake of 64 so shortly after the 3DS remake.

And another 10 years isn't making me want a 64 remake any more than the gap between 643D and Zero. I've been waiting 20 years for a Star Fox game that makes me happy and it looks like I'm going to still be waiting.

>>738569539
no

>>738569676
People didn't even have a Wii U. What would they have bought Zero for?

Will we ever get Miyu and Fay?

>>738569452
issue with zero is it really just couldn't be easily retooled for the Switch. The whole control scheme and boss fights would need to be redone.
Better to just push it out abd hope it does well than sink even more cash into it and jump the expected sales massively.
Guard was pretty great though.

>>738569596
Yuh the first two starfox games are pretty choppy given how they just completely brute force the system specs.

>>738569676
>zero
remake of 64
fags need to stop lying.

>>738570040
Everyone who didn't play Zero has very strong opinions on how it's the same game as 64.
It's not even that bad of a game.

Zero is 64 except the levels become insanely gay and shitty halfway through, which makes it its own thing and not a remake because 64 doesn't become insanely gay and shitty half way through

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>>738569596
That's the magic of gaming through the 90s into the 00s, you got to experience real generational leaps of game tech every few years. It doesn't technically run just on the SNES, what made SF special was that it had the SuperFX co-processor in the cartridge in order to be able to render 3d polygonal models (and it also made it an expensive game to buy). Framerate only really started being a hot topic related to consoles during the 360/PS3 era. Modern gaming spoils us with all the QoL standards we have now regarding framerate, load times, controls, etc.

But, keep in mind that practically any game that was rendered in full 3D was the absolute edge of rendering tech in 1993, and wouldn't be the norm for several more years . To put that in perspective, that's the same year as Doom. The only other place you saw full-3D games was arcade cabinets. Being able to do it at home, on a console, never mind a fucking SNES, was some kind of forbidden arcane sorcery.

>>738565613
Fan-made

>>738551237
The single player campaign soundtrack is absolutely phenomenal
Everything else is unremarkable/bad

>>738570040
The fact that fans split hairs over which Star Fox games are remakes and which ones are "retellings of the lylat wars" is why the Star Fox IP is so fucking broken. It's the only Nintendo IP that Nintendo reboots multiple times.

>>738552456
Arcade-style fast paced on-foot controls, why would you not like that

>>738570582
>fan made
Pretty lame. But I respect the autism, cool image.

>>738570454
No it isn't. It's pretty solid and has some of the best shooting in the serries...though given its so modern and uses gyro that's not a really fair comparision.

>>738570901
>being accurate is a '''problem'
dumb faggot.
Calling Starfox Zero a remake of 64 is about as retarded as calling Twilight Princess a remake of OoT.
They might have similar plot beats and locations but the story advances differently and the regions are used in different ways.
It's being completely dishonest. And you know that.

>>738551237
>game isn't even out yet
>costs only 50 fucking dollars
>assaultsnoy cubies are still mindbroken over it
can't make this shit up.

>>738571564
>>costs only 50 fucking dollars
Assuming you aren't being a false flagging shithead.
Don't do this.
Don't horse shit and twist facts anon.
It's sixty dollars. Most people will still by it physical.
don't go twisting words and reality like snoys do, it's poor showing.
>assaultsnoys
95% chance false flagging. But even if so my point stands.

>>738570519
Zero has less content, even. lmao
what a farce.

>>738551237
at least it isn't Adventures

>>738551237
I just think Star Fox Assault needed a few more regular shoot 'em up levels to help pad the game out better and I thought it'd be perfect.
Also the Wolfen looked the best in that game even though even the devs gave up trying to figure out how the fuck you're suppose to land that ship and just made it hover while 'landing'

Alright for all you assault haters how would (you) revive the IP and keep it going after the remake in June?
You people give assault a lot of shit but rarely give your retort on how to keep the IP going.

>>738566212
>It had control issues
No it had the 64 controls as the default instead of the superior dual stick mode because of fucking miyamoto most likely.

If you played default instead of dual stick I am sorry for your loss.

>>738575297
I honestly can't recall. I just played using the gamepad 90% of the time and had no major issues. You can hit such far off corners in Zero it's great, it does take a tiny bit to adjust to but once so it flows quite nicely. Plus you still have wreckage juggling just like 64.

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>>738551237
I always liked Assault ever since I first played, I'm not lying and I won't deny it!

>>738575528
I'm gonna say it again. This game sucks in default control scheme. Dual stick all the way.

>>738574505
>Tone down the redesigns, it's funny as a homage to the original box art, but it's going to get jarring after the movie hits
>Game should have the same basic structure as 64: you have different routes depending on which objectives you complete
>The Arwing can now transform into different vehicles, there can be hidden places in levels accessible only by a specific transformation
>On-rails levels are still the main focus, but are complemented by large and complex all-range mode arenas. Some stages can have multiple on-rail segments broken up by those arenas
>On-rail segments in particular should go nuts on the presentation, it must feel like you're in a proper battlefield with giant battleships constantly blowing up and superweapons firing from both sides
>Between levels you're free to talk with other characters, set out to explore certain areas to find upgrades, recruit new pilots or just fend off enemy squadrons and earn rewards
>Story should further explore the characters' personalities, but at the same time keep things simple. Things happen, but at the end of the day it's about beating the bad guys, not furfag fanfiction like Command
>Story shouldn't be limited to just the Lylat System, have the team explore other star systems and parts of the galaxy
>No less than 20 main levels, not counting the intermission activities
>Multiplayer is greatly expanded and includes straight deathmatches, co-op missions and maybe a few gimmicky modes to spice things up, could be something as simple as hide-and-seek in one of the larger maps
I don't even hate Assault, I just think it's mid

>>738575665
>>The Arwing can now transform into different vehicles, there can be hidden places in levels accessible only by a specific transformation
if you have this as a way to kill off landmaster and bluemarine you are a fag.
So expand your idea here.
Rest sounds good.

>>738553491
This is retarded.
As someone who put like 500+ hours on it as a kid with my siblings, Assault is fucking flawed and I saw it as a kid too. I never even played Star Fox 64 myself.
Just a fun couch multiplayer and that's it, but almost any game with good friends is fun

>>738575764
The Arwing can transform into them or other vehicles, assuming you have the right upgrades equipped. The Arwing's main appearance and stats also changes depending on which transformation you have equipped. For example: the Arwing-Landmaster is really slow, but has a shitload of health and hits hard as fuck, you can also rotate the turret even in flight mode.

>>738576046
No. Gay. Hate it.
Just keep them separate like it always has been. Have a military base you can swap vehicles from mid mission at most, which as you said grants different paths or objectives.

>>738551237
If this is the Star Fox thread, then cool. But there's no need to slander the best game in the series.

>>738576216
It's A Starfox thread, yes. So dumb your thoughts anon.

>fox's tiny digitigrade feet and human hands looks awful
>Falco's chicken legs are terrible too, but not as bad as his fingers being thick individual feathers
>the voice acting we were shown lacks energy, which is unacceptable for a remake of one of the most quotable games of the last 30 years
I'm still cautiously interested in what they might be planning, but they aren't off to the best start.

>>738569271
I thought Assault wasnt that well recieved because all the on foot bullshit making up too much of the game?
Never heard anyone complain about the actual Arwing sections, on the contrary always heard very positive about them.

>>738576347
>>the voice acting we were shown lacks energy
Modern VAs really seem to lack a lot of gutso and oomph. Curious as to why that is. Are the directors fucking up? Or is the skill range just not around now?

>>738576384
Nah, people complained about them pretty often back in the day. The Arwing was really sluggish compared to 64 and the auto-aim made it kinda braindead to play. Also, since most stages were built around the foot segments, they felt too small as soon as you jumped into the Arwing.

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>>738576242
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jvI4tu407k
I'm very excited for the new game. Feels like the initial shock over the realistic animals has subsided. I wish it wasn't ANOTHER remake, but I didn't get SF0 so I feel ready to jump into this one. Still holding out hope the rumor that there were two Star Fox games in the pipe is true.
Have we had any idea on just how close the recreation is? Different enemy placement, movement mechanics, etc?

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Can anybody tell me what's going on in the used market? Was it always priced lime this or did the announcement drive up interest in the series and prices? Prices for Adventure seem a lot more reasonable.

>>738576432
Both. Voice actors that take it seriously have always been rare, even more so since the opportunity for feature work basically doesn't exist anymore. You still have Bill Farmer, Jim Cummings, and the like, but all of those people are over 60. Some of it also stems from the fact that people are softer than they used to be, and fewer people smoke, so you don't get as many strong voices.

As for directors, that's even less prestigious, so you don't get many quality people who want to do it.

>>738576613
I don't have the Nintendo app, so if they gave extra info I have no idea. BUT from the direct oit sounds like enemy placements/squad layouts are 1:1 to the original release.
As for movement mechanics you'd need to specific what you mean. The loop/summersault is still in, you should still be able to hold the roll button to fly sideways. braking and boosting still in.
My biggest concern is if wreckage juggling is still as exploitable as the original.
That main menu theme is quite lovely, very good shit.

>>738560121
The level design was so good for multiplayer. There were better shooters on the market at the time but I think very few had as engaging maps as Assault did. I'd put it up there with the Battlefront games in that respect although Battlefront obviously had tighter gameplay.
It's a shame the actual shooting gameplay was half baked and the campaign didn't really make use of the level design, because you can really see the potential in it, it just falls short when it comes to execution. But yeah, many fond memories of playing this game with friends. I'd like for it to get a remake with better gunplay and online so I can see if the maps hold up as well as I think they would, but maybe it's best to just leave it in the past.

>>738576767
GameCube game prices have been complete bullshit for the last 10-15 years, just emulate it or wait until the inevitable NSO release.

>>738576767
>Can anybody tell me what's going on in the used market?
Severe kikery. Same as it always was anon.

>>738576881
>get the grenade launching silo thing
>get in arwing and fly up high
>exit cockpit and stick the silo on the ship watch as 50 grenades pelt the area below you killing everyone
>become a chad and learn its timing to loop just as it launches. 50 grenades launch right at the ground at 500mph nuking the impact zone
that's the good shit

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>>738576797
>you don't get as many strong voices
Makes me think about the past Goron from BotW, that was a painfully obvious case of a squishy faggot trying to sound big and tough. I looked the guy up for the first time just now and I'm not even slightly surprised.

>>738576845
I've never been too deep into star fox, medaled in most of the planets years ago. Online multiplayer seems exciting, but I want a good look at the challenge levels and hard mode to see if it's worth the squeeze. I just wish there was something new for people who have been playing these same routes for years. DLC that might give the game even a hint of new routes to discover feels impossible. But I suppose that's what they did in SF0 and I missed out.

>>738577319
>but I want a good look at the challenge levels and hard mode to see if it's worth the squeeze. I just wish there was something new for people who have been playing these same routes for years.
1. Hard mode is the same as the one from the OG 64 release. You just get it by default, rather than needing all medals.
2. The challenges will be a good way to mix up the levels certainly.
3. The James McCloud Prologue looks to be its own entirely new campaign so their is that as new content/levels for old fans.
But you'll likely have to kill True Andross to access it

>>738577043
Yeah but SF Adventure isn't that bad. I looked up Paper Mario TTYD and that isn't nearly as bad either. I like Assault but I can't imagine paying 100+ for it.

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>>738551237
Based, glad this shithole still has some people with good taste.

>>738569835
We didn't get them before due to imamura. He's no longer at nintendo so there's a better chance now than then.

>>738569676
>Either way Zero sold less than half as many copies as Assault.
Source? Nintendo never revealed the sale numbers gor either.

>>738571965
Have you even played either game?

>>738575579
You have skewed ideas on what constitutes a good game

>>738560121
We're those two the only games you owned if you thought it was as much fun as melee.

>>738572951
>at least it isn't Adventures
Adventures is the only good star fox game on gamecube. Nintendo thinks so, they actually bothered to mention it in the direct and not Assault.

>>738575604
Tried that. Still plays like the worse shooter I've experienced.

>>738551350
I laugh every time I see this pic lmao

>>738582939
Good for you. Assault still sucks

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>>738551350
>>738582939

>>738583146
Is he wrong though? Pinning statements you dont like to a single person instead of making good counterpoint is pathetic.

>>738551237
The multiplayer is fun.
The singleplayer is still probably the 3rd best in the starfox series.
It's alright, I don't think it needs apologies made for it really.

>>738551481
>not reading one sentence
Why is retard maxxing “cool”?

>>738583301
You're wrong, yeah, considering the fact this place where you get to shitpost anonymously with no IP count and try to push your narrative like you're multiple different people is coincidentally the only site anybody is ever trying to shit on Assault as outright bad, as opposed to saying it was good or just okay but with good ideas.

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>>738551237
You're going to see a big resurgence of assault posting since it's the "best" starfox that isn't a retelling of 64's story.

>>738583469
So patch is going to be you're boogeyman forever then I guess.

>>738583552
The best one is adventures. Far more people showed interest in it due to its dinosaur planet roots and objectively it sold a lot more and got way better reviews.

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>>738584547
That's what happens when you can't help but leave a trail of shit wherever you walk, makes it real easy to track it back to you.

>>738551350
I looked at this autistic image for 30 seconds and I have no idea what you want to say. At least try to be coherent.

>>738584667
If your best argument fot opinions you dont like is to believe theyre all from the same autist, then assault really does deserve fans like you.

>>738584790
To sum it up he's using examples of just one person who extremely despises assault as a universal label to anyone who criticizes assault on /v/. As far as that schizo is concerned anyone who hates assault is the same person.

Id argue that its not that people are defending Assault as a good game but rather that the Assault formula would be amazing for a modern Starfox game if it was acualy developed by a competent studio.

>10 levels
>6 flying, 4 on foot
>No alternate paths

What the fuck where they thinking

>>738584981
Autists always mark themselves with their specific and quasi-religious obsessions, as well as their manner of speech. Have you tried changing up your routine?

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I wish Treasure would make a new Starfox game.

>>738585126
I think we can all agree with that sentiment, and I would certainly take that over Star Fox 64 being repeated forever.

>>738585220
I could speak on thr most basic, interchangeable way and you'll still think I'm that person. Instead of accusing people being someone else maybe try talking about the games, more specifically why you believe that game is good and not bad. The fact you deviated from that and resorted to labeling people as a specific person gives me the impression you really dont think the game is as good as you think it was. If you did you'd have a lot more things to say on why the game is good and fun.

>>738585201
>What the fuck where they thinking
They literally had no time. They wasted three years on a multiplayer mode that got banned at e3 demos and cobbled together the campaign near the end. It feels unpolished and unfinished because it is. They couldn't even come up with an original idea for the main bad guy so they just rehashed the bug aliens from galaga.

>>738585315
>I wish Treasure would make a new Starfox game.
Fuck that I want sin and punishment 3.

>>738585126
>>738585404
What is the assault formula? If it is just shooting on the ground and jumping in and out of vehicles then a ton of other shooters do that already. I've seen talks about making more games like assault but where are the other games like assault? Not just the star fox series, where are they anywhere? Did it even inspire someone to make a spiritual successor? All the indie games that try to emulate star fox keep going to the first game or 64 formula and none tried being like assault.

>>738585126
Assault's still a good game, but yes, there's room for improvement. That's what sequels are supposed to be for, not reruns of the same shit over and over.

>>738585609
Command was made in response to the negative responses to adventures and assault.

>>738585587
Anon the reason for that is simple. Starfox 64 is a perfect game. Assault is not. Why wouldn't you try to emulate perfection rather than attempting to redesign a flawed experience.

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>>738584790
>I have no idea what you want to say

>>738585739
Its not or ever was a perfect game.
It was simply one of the first 3d rail shooters.
And Tendies latch on to any 64 game that was initiative for its time but like its the holy grail of game design.

>>738585739
Star fox 64 at the end of the day is a nintendo 64 game, limited by the hardware of the time. If nintendo wants star fox to succeed, especially with the younger audience it would need to start fresh. Star fox cant afford more failures so nintendo is going all out with a remake of lylat wars but with modern visuals and hardware.

>>738585609
>Assault's still a good game,
Eh. It was a 6/10 for me.

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>>738551350
Good work anon.

is this the poopdickschizo thread

>>738588345
Now it is since you joined in.

Assault is a great multiplayer game with an OK single player mode.

Star Fox good
Star Fox 64 good
Dinosaur Planet good
Star Fox Assault good
Star Fox 64 3D good

Star Fox 2 good but not fun to replay
Star Fox Command good but way too repetitive

Star Fox Zero mid
Star Fox Adventures bad

>>738585315
I also saw Nerrel's YouTube video, fellow redditor.

Treasure is long dead and gone btw

>>738585315
Treasure doesn't even exist anymore man

A star fox assault reboot just needs to replace the on-foot missions with more ground based vehicle mission. With both the landmaster and the walker you can make more fitting levels and never leave a vehicle. Also that gyrocopter SF zero brought in can be an assist you can command and use.

>>738584601
People like what Adventures is supposed to be and its vibe, not what it is.

Nobody's happy Krystal's campaign got cut, or that only one dungeon is finished, or that everything after Cape Claw is untouched N64 assets, or that Drakor was turned into a rail shooter asset, etc.

>>738589928
Dinosaur planet is just an n64 project that ended up being a star fox branded game only because miyamoto saw the project and thought it was similar to a spin off he wanted to do with the series.

>>738590051
Yeah, but it was still a really cool game, and Miyamoto was correct in identifying that its elements would make Star Fox's world much more interesting.

Damning indictment of Miyamoto and Imamura's actual input that the unfinished N64 prototype is such a vastly superior experience to the final product.

>>738590209
I couldn't even finish that game, the combat was even more braindead-easy than Sands of Time and it was so fucking tedious

>>738590319
I mean yeah, they never made combat worth a damn for it. The whole game is a lesser copycat of OoT. It's just that DP has more of its good aspects still intact (more areas and little scenarios, character swapping to freshen things up, puzzles, etc) while SFA front-loaded the good bits without the necessary context and pacing and then shoved a bunch of the gimmicky parts meant to shake things up into the back half. Just a mess. Turned a very soulful 7/10 into a big vibes 4/10.

>>738589870
I rather a completely new game than revisiting assault.

>>738589707
Your taste in games is questionable.

>>738590570
I'd be down with a retread so long as they were willing to overhaul its narrative and structure. IE, keep the Aparoids and themes and SF64 multiplayer inspired game modes, but make a meatier game, a better story, and better mechanics. People would be way higher on it if most of the game was like Sargasso.

>>738589575
Multiplayer is the worst shooter I've experienced from a big studio. Controls are jank, weapons and stages are bland, and the actual combat is bad.

>>738590626
>No argument or individual opinion
Concession accepted

>>738590679
>keep the Aparoids
Don't Namco own the rights to them?

>>738551350
It really feels like the only way to hate Krystal is by being the hardgay furfaggot that makes up the starfox(or lets be honest, muhlay) fandom.

>>738590741
Probably not? Pigma was allowed to return as one in Command. Namco is attached to Nintendo by the hip these days, anyway. They could just make a new brand of Borg knockoff if they don't wanna bother.

>>738590720
You gave no reason to why half the games are good and gave vague reasons for why other games are not as good or bad. Why single out just Star fox 2 for replay ability issues and command for repetitive gameplay? All the games have their own issues with that.

>>738590773
I think most people like what Krystal represents and what she could be in a half decent story more than they actually like her, desu. Not like people are citing events from Star Fox Adventures for what they like about her.

>>738590823
If that were the case they'd make moee games for nintendo and not continue making titles that arent on nintendo systems. They've also been annoyed at nintendo stealing their talent and gave been cozying up to Sony lately.

>>738590901
Krystal is simply not a good star fox character. None of her portrayals in any titles were great and she really struggles with having her stand out as her own person rather than just being a sexy blue vixen who fox wants to bang eventually. Even her most adamant fanatics struggle to describe who she really is in the official stuff.

>>738590895
Because Command is heavily based on 2 and both have the issue of not being as tightly designed as the majority of the series despite desperately wanting you to go through the same hoops over and over. I like them, but I don't think I've ever heard of anyone who tries to pretend Command isn't repetitive as fuck. It has the Prime Hunters problem where they designed exactly two activities and had the player repeat them way too often. Just a handful of rail shooter levels or alt objectives would have really helped it.

I liked it, didn't blow my socks off or hit like 64 but I liked it
hell I liked Adventures despite it taking a massive shit on another potential IP's existence and not utilizing what felt like a beautiful aesthetic in space at the time beyond a brief intro/outro sequence
it's that fucking DS game that's an odd duck out for me, and I guess that WiiU game too though I never got around to touching it since fucking WiiU

>>738591061
I mean that's what I was saying. People see how good she COULD be and think it's neat, but all three games with her get too stuck on "She's HOT she's gonna BONE FOX" to use her as well as the other crewmates. The fact that she's the stock sci fi empath and is ironically cold and a bit uptight is a great dynamic for the group. Assault barely writes her, Falco or Slippy at all, and Command is hyper focused on her relationship angst. It sucks, man.

>>738591063
Rail shooting levels have always been just get to thr end and defeat the boss assault is even more repetitive since all ground missions devolve to just destroying all the targets in an open space. The action in 2 and command may be repetitive at times but those are meant to be just one component to the other side of the gameplay which is the strategy element. You dont just dogfight and destroy enemies but also have to know which engagements to do, which character is best to do them, and also balancing defending your home base.

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Adventures is released
>"WAAAAH IT'S NOT STAR FOX 64 AGAIN!"
Assault is released
>"WAAAAH IT'S NOT STAR FOX 64 AGAIN!"
Command is released
>"WAAAAH IT'S NOT STAR FOX 64 AGAIN!"
>eats up Star Fox 64 3D
>eats up Star Fox Zero (all five Wii-U owners anyway)
You have nobody to blame but yourselves for
the current state of the franchise.

>>738591234
I mean yeah, I understand. I like the game.
I'm saying both attempts are a bit too shallow and samey for the replay value they intend to have. Command in particular, having set routes and maps, really could have used a hand crafted stage or two per route to break things up. Failing that, at least they could have done more with map design and activities in the maps. Every single one just being several dogfights in a row is not enough sauce.

>>738591195
>The fact that she's the stock sci fi empath and is ironically cold and a bit uptight is a great dynamic for the group.
Is she though? All i got from her is she's impulsive at times. I cant tell since we never get to see her making banter with the other characters when they arent doing gameplay stuff outside of a few endings in command. She never even appeared in a comic or animated tie in. I dont even know if nintendo knows who krystal is.

>>738591246
Less people bought Zero than Assault tho.
People just want a 64 level pack that takes place after 64. Give them that and they'll shut the fuck up and let devs do whatever with the series.

>>738591338
>Is she though?
Yeah. But like you said, the games are terrible at conveying it or using that for much of anything.

You can see she's a bit cold from a couple bits in Assault and how she's quick to swap sides to suit her needs in Command. You can see she's uptight from the slightly haughty way of speaking and how she reacts to others in Command (the only one where she's got much character at all desu).

They could reintroduce her with a completely new characterization and that'd be fine -- better than coming off as cardboard -- but people with affection for what's there aren't grasping at nothing. It's just that the execution in the games is god awful.

>>738591195
>>738591338
>>738591570
We need less Counsellor Troi and more Major Kira

>>738591379
>Less people bought Zero than Assault tho.
Well no shit it did, zero was released on wii u late in its life. Would assault had sold more than zero if it released on the wii u at the same date as zero did?

>>738591612
I mean I'd prefer that, too, and it fits better with what Command was doing, but they could make her being a Troi work if they, y'know, actually put any effort into writing the characters post-64.

>>738591570
Are you sure what you said is true? I heard the Japanese version of the scripts for assault and command differ from the English. Also if youre going to fundamentally change her character may be easier to just make a brand new character.

>>738591749
>Are you sure what you said is true?
I feel pretty confident about it, but it's always possible I'm reading what's not there. Command at least tried with her, I can say that much.
>JP scripts are different
Yup. I still think Krystal is meant to be a bit cold to people despite being an empath.
>Make a new character!
Sure, I'm down. What's good is the potential, not what we got. Shit, 26 is basically morphing Katt into Miyu and I'm fine with that, too.

It'd be nice if they finally did something with what's there, but if they change the character name or looks or role or even try something new altogether, that's fine. We just need better than what Krystal was the first to around.

>>738551237
i played the shit out of assault as a kid with kirby air riders, good fuking times mate

>>738591612
Kek
Not wrong

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>>738553491
I remember Assault just being OK, like a 6/10 game. I had more fun with Adventures, and even Command. Aparoids weren't bad villains, they're more memorable than whoever Command had as its villain. I wonder if this new Star Fox game gets a sequel if they'll ever bring Aparoids back.

>>738589774
Everyone who played S&P2 back in the day (which was everyone cool), was saying it was the great SF game for the Wii that we never got.

>>738592118
>Make your villains the Borg
>Main character has issues finding himself in shadow of his father
>His GF is a mind melder
>Do almost nothing at this beyond ~4 quips that vaguely gesture at this

Absolutely squandered that plot.

>>738592193
Yeah, but I'd assume anyone old like us would know Treasure died with this game.

>>738585126
Assault's formula ultimately is just a third person shooter, with occasional vehicle segments.
Man, if you want to play something like that, knock yourself out. It's not like there's a shortage. You could play Helldivers 2. You could even play Battlefield or Fortnite.

I broadly like the SF series because I associate it with two good games (the first one, and 64). I don't even know what this series is to you, if all you want is the character of Starfox, in an entirely different game.
It's very "I'm a Smash Bros fan first" coded.

>>738592118
Why are the aparoids so memorable? They have zero personality and bring down the games charm. The best levels are also the teo which do not have them since the enemies you fight against are actually fun with their own lines spoken during gameplay. Command also didn't have a strong focus on the anglars since the story isnt reallt about the anglar threat ultimately is about characters getting together and how choices made in the game have consequences and leads to their ultimate fate when its all over. The fact you dont even need to have the full star foc team assembled to defeat them is proof of it.

>>738551237
I'm a Star Fox Adventures apologist. It's just a cozy Zelda-esque game on the same level as Beyond Good and Evil

>>738551237
I like Assault, it's fun.

I don't care for Starfox 64 at all, I was 5 years old when it released. I only know about it because of memes that were popular when I was in my late teens (DO A BARREL ROLL XD). My first exposures to Starfox were playing Adventure on the Gamecube kiosk at Wal-Mart and playing Super Smash Bros Melee with my best friend in 2003.

>>738592425
Probably because of
>>738592202
and the parts the game does focus on. The Aparoids have even less depth than Andross mooks, but they let existing characters speak through them and place the characters in situations that are more interesting than a black and white space war. Not that the writing is good, but seeing Pigma's vices exploited and then twisted into nothingness and General Pepper begging for death is evocative.

>>738592202
Its is even worse than that. The macguffin to kill them all was introduced in the second level of the game but to not make the game end so abrupt sigma had to steal it and drag the game campaign to being twice as long for an already short campaign. We also never see the aparoids do much in the game itself. The first level had by far the largest on screen battle of that game and it wasnt even with the aparoids.also the fact that all fox needed to defeat a whole planetary invasion was limited armor and a standard blaster is embarrassing.

>>738592552
BGE is a much better game, be real.

>>738551237
There are "fourth remake of the original Star Fox" apologists on /v/ right now, and they're triggered by Star Fox Assault of all games.

>>738592576
You better hope assault doesn't come to nso. It is going to remove the nostalgia glasses and reveal it to being a substandard gamecube title.

>>738592661
Why would they? They got what they wanted and are vindicated by Nintendo.

>>738592698
I'm not even that nostalgic. I had fun playing it back in like 2004. That's it.

Besides, I don't even shop on NSO. I have enough video games.

>>738574505
Literally 64 2.
Throw in a couple more vehicles like a speed boat or a dune buggy that you ride through the desert.
Steal a few beats from Sin and Punishment, maybe.

You don't have to reinvent the wheel. It's Starfox. It's a game where you move forward on a rail and shoot targets.
At the absolute most, I'd maybe add an option to play as different ships/characters, for some added replayability.

I also wouldn't be opposed to making Adventures 2, but generally just making a much better game this time, and letting Fox use guns and sci-fi weaponry.

>>738592398
Let's put the shoe on the other foot. Why must every game be a copy of the original SNES title where you just fly down a straight corridor the whole time, maybe with a handful of levels where you get to instead fly in circles over featureless flat plains? By the second title the original developers abandoned on-rails entirely, and SF2 was better off for it if you ask me, definitely my favorite entry in the series.

Really Assault's DNA can be traced back to 2, with open exploratory levels and the ability to choose whether to walk on the ground or fly in the air when you want, and the same gameplay elements would be revisited in Zero. Something like the space colony stage, Zoness, or the part where you navigate inside the big carrier ship could've been levels in Assault, all that's missing is the ability to switch between multiple weapons. Those were basically the only levels meaningfully differentiating Zero from 64, only let down by the godawful controls.

>>738592118
Command's villein was an angler fish. It was all rather unmemorable

>>738551237
It's the star wars effect, the new stuff is so fucking bad fans have to cop and say that stuff that was previously panned was actually great

>>738592939
You may as well say "why does every Metroid game have to be about exploring tunnels and grabbing upgrades? Why can't they make it a DMC clone?"
Because that's the series. It's not supposed to be a DMC clone. You're not grasping why it was good in the first place.

I think SF2 was a misstep, that was rightfully cancelled. Command wasn't any better.

>>738593084
Damn, the Mario devs must be feeling pretty stupid right about now, anon.

>>738593084
>Because that's the series
One game isn't a series. 2, Adventures, Assault, Command, and Zero are all Star Fox. You refusing to touch anything which doesn't fit into your narrow preconception of what it "should be" doesn't change that.

>>738593164
Not comparable. "Mario" isn't a game, he's a Mascot.
There are different brands of Mario games, Super Mario Bros(the sidescrollers), Mario 64(the 3D ones where you explore a level), Mario RPGs, Mario Party, Mario Sports.
No one is saying "make Mario Party, but make it a GTA clone". That doesn't make sense.
No one is saying "Super Mario Bros is dated, so I don't think they should ever make a new one".

>>738593324
2 didn't even come out. They gave Argonaut the heave-ho, and switched efforts to 64, and then Argonaut made Buck Bumble. Nintendo are clearly vindicated in this decision.
Adventures isn't a Starfox game. It's Dinosaur Planet.
Assault and Command are games that missed the appeal of the franchise. Zero is half a real SF game, and half a clusterfuck of bad ideas.

I to wish to spend all my days bitter and have everything that came after the 64 era, good fucking god, this boards truly makes anyone miserable, go fucking outside and greet your mother today anons.

>>738593330
I was talking about the platformers, anon...

>>738593671
Like you aren't bitterly seething about a 64 remake, because you're emotionally attached to two inferior games.
>but the vision! They were taking the series forward?
By turning it into a Zelda clone, and mediocre third person shooter, respectively?

>>738593781
Who is saying "don't make any more Mario platformers"?

>>738551350
Genuinely sad how many different subjects on this site are ruined by one insufferable jobless retard who is here 24/7 and insists on making his opinion known at all times.

>>738593671
past few years felt like a massive influx of (you) farmers desu, pretty sad seeing it so often

Star Fox Adventures good
Everything else shit

>>738557080
I hate how they retconned the deaths at the very end as being "nah they are all right actually". (Not sure about pigma)

>>738593986
>Killing the MCs permanently

>>738559047
I really liked 2 as well where it felt like a large scale war with actual lose conditions beyond you just getting shot down. That + Assault all range/on foot missions would be neat. Honestly, just split the series in two and let there by a completely arcadey on-rails only game and then do the more Rogue Squadron type stuff as its own game.(or just make them two games in the same release)

>>738593846
Nobody, you sperg. That's not what's being said about anything here.
If you can't grasp how Mario is relevant to saying Assault is a bridge too far, me explaining it isn't going to help you.

>>738593792
Not them, but I'm looking forward to 26 but also don't mind if they make more weird games. The franchise isn't the important part; it's the quality of the game.

>>738594254
For what it's worth, I do think it was wrong of Nintendo to abandon the regular sidescrolling style Marios for so long.
64 is great, but SMB5 for the N64 would also have been great. We should have had both.

>>738594343
It would also have justified the fucking D-pad that the N64 has, and like no Nintendo games actually utilize.

>>738594203
For me strategy elements would be a must in a hypothetical new game, that kind of stuff elevates the frankly barebones arcadey flight shooting. That plus stuff like getting to pick your ships/characters exponentially increases replay value, making sure each run is different from the last.

I remember my biggest disappointment with Assault was you could unlock Xevious in it when the cooler option would have been making a true SF themed retro shmup as an unlockable.

>>738594343
2D prerender Mario 5 on 64 would have beem dope. Or something like Tomba.

>>738594438
If they want to make a strategy game again, they need to do better with what you do on the map. The multiplayer modes they're adding in 2026 is a good example of how to spice it up a bit. The player can't be expected to enjoy an Ogre Battle that keeps stopping so you can play 1 minute of a bad version of a Star Wolf fight.

>>738557080
Pretty much my thoughts

>>738557080
Her proportions in this are weird as fuck. It's mostly her itty bitty arms that throw it off.

>>738593853
He really does live rent free in your head.

>>738596217
Her hair looks gross imo. Her outfit looks absurd and doesn't look good when she twists her body since you can tell its just a texture on a model

>>738551237
I don't get it, is Assault considered bad? I liked it, I thought the ground sections were a great departure from the traditional levels and helped set the game apart from the others.

>>738551237
I haven't bought a Starfox game since this because of how mediocre it was. Kid Icarus: Uprising, now THAT'S a game I can get behind.

>>738559013
Star Fox looks better than either version of the Sonic they put into that jewish propaganda.

Anyone try net play with assault? Anything special needed to set it up?

>>738561713
>The single player is clearly tacked on later.
The single player and the space bugs plot was always there in the beginning, but you are right about the game having a bigger multiplayer component that got axed during development. My guess is that there wasn't enough interest in playing Gamecube games online or in LAN.

>>738551237
Assault is "we have Halo at home" which is another series people don't give a fuck about anymore excluding beaten-down fans

SF0 was not a remake
SF64 was not a remake of SFsnes

When the stages are exactly the same, you can call it a remake. Having similar plot or even the same characters and same area names does not make it into a remake. Moreover Sfzero does not have the same plot and lots of new area names, stages are completely different.

>>738596696
>The single player and the space bugs plot was always there in the beginning,
I highly doubt that.

>>738596460
Her hair always looks bad, and yeah that's just what most skintight suits in early 3D ended up looking like. I personally don't care for the big cups -- feel a zip up emphasizes her bust more while coming off younger -- but that's apparently her aesthetic across every game so idk. Maybe she just likes the bra look.

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>>738566610
I'd think more along the lines of Halo's big team battle, large maps with lots of people and vehicles everywhere but you still have clearly defined goals to meet beyond simple deathmatching.

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>>738576767
>Can anybody tell me what's going on in the used market?
Same shit that's been happening since the Wii U era: speculation and misplaced hyper-appreciation of real values. Retro prices are based purely on complete bullshit independent of how many copies still exist or actual demand, all that matters is if the people selling the games are able to prove that they can get away with whatever prices they set.
Pic related, there's no proven reason as to why the US Gamecube version of Gauntlet Dark Legacy is "worth" more than all these other versions.

>>738585315
They're gone dude, S&P2 was their last game and unfortunately game journalists told people not to buy it because they don't like arcade-y stuff that you replay multiple times to get good at.