What are your thoughts on people making entire fan games/mods just to try and fix a specific thing they don't like about a game they otherwise enjoy?
>>738555813Sounds based, but has it actually happened?
>>738555890I remember someone back in the day tried to make a Deus Ex mod to make a better version of IW.They ended up killing themselves after they tried to kill one of their college professors though, so it never made it too far.
>>738555890Deltarune Yellow is a fangame that exists pretty much because someone didn't like how shafted the MC got in the ending of Undertale Yellow
Its pretty based. Mod making and fangames are a special kind of autism that the world needs more of
Who is this beautiful woman?
>>738556306Ms syrup, a real cutie in deltarune yellow.
>>738556424She's breakfast and a woman that's so fucking hot holy shit
>>738556306Ms Syrup, shopkeeper from Deltarune Yellow
I don't like you.
>>738556505I respect the passion
>>738556707>>738556579Why didn't Toby add a new full sprite shopkeeper in 3 and 4?Why did he not give us the How To Draw Dragons darkner?
>>738556775Probably because they'd mock Toby for being a goonerThey already accused Kris of being a gooner because they quickly closed the drawer in embarrassment
>>738556775>Why didn't Toby add a new full sprite shopkeeper in 3 and 4?The only chracter that could have a shop sprite in chapter 3 is Ramb and that would make him seem too important, which goes against the idea of the character.>Why did he not give us the How To Draw Dragons darkner?She would have been too hot and there was no other female character to pair her with
>>738555813>What are your thoughts on people making entire fan games/mods just to try and fix a specific thing they don't like about a game they otherwise enjoy?I'm still a bit upset DRY is such a gordian knot codewise, because that means it will likely never get any mods. Also still upset because UTY still has no good ending mod>Inb4 justice routeNot what I want.
>>738555813>>738556579>>738556739would eating her be considered cannibalism
>>738555890Op's pic is from Deltarune Yellow, which is exactly that.
>>738556579>>738556707>Quintillionare dev with a AAA team can't add new full sprite shopkeepers>Somehow fangame devs that aren't even artists can
>>738557106To be far no one can top Spamtom
>>738557090I imagine that only applies if you're a darkner, if you were a human or a monster it wouldn't be cannibalism, after all, darkners aren't people
>>738556775There is like a hundred "why did Toby" and "why didn't Toby" for this whole game.
>>738555813>>738556306>>738556424>>738556579Someone should really make an edit of this with her https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4tdlqDySOc
Does Asgore still drink ice cold beer in DRY?
>>738557031>I'm still a bit upset DRY is such a gordian knot codewise, because that means it will likely never get any mods.DRYanon could release the game's source code once he finishes the game, that would allow the game to be easily modded.>Also still upset because UTY still has no good ending modJustice Resolves mod will most likely change that, but that mod already makes some massive changes to the game by having a Kanako that is alive and well.
>>738557154For hell sake stop using this retarded excuse. Papyrus being nearly impossible to top doesn't mean Mettaton or Lancer segments aren't fun. Spamtom being great shouldn't be an excuse to abandon the entire style of the early game so soon
>>738557256There's no Asgore in Deltarune Yellow, the game's takes place in a different town.
>>738557319That's the sharty.
>>738555813>try and fix a specific thingThese threads have gone a long way since the days of being assblasted about the UTY pacifist ending. It's just an OC creation club, which is nice but a very different mindset.
>>738556707why is she so mean to Zaer
>>738556775Because the imaginary Toby that's in your head is an infinitely better dev than the one making Deltarune. Such is the realm of forms. though, maybe if you're sneaky, you can steal imaginary Toby's ideas and pass them off as your own in your own Deltarune.
>>738557415Well the old mindset hasnt really left, people are still writing and deving things that were started all the way back then. Theres just more other stuff happening in between updates.
>>738557385the whole site is here? The fuck?
>>738556707Watch this be foreshadowing and the final boss is another human.
>>738555813I had meta-level frustrations with the fandom's direction, which was partially what drove me to make a fic. I didn't like the way Justice Clover was treated in basically any fanwork, and I knew I was never going to see character depictions the way I wanted, so I bit the bullet and did it myself.And that fic was called Partners. Sorry to self-shill, but I didn't want to seem like I was fishing for a "what's your fic's name, anon," either.
>>738557536I imagine the final boss to be someone that can match Val but both die in battle
>>738557536>>738557586neutral final boss or pacifist final boss? that would be the real question
>>738556998> there was no other female character to pair her withThe yuri curse died when Elnina got spitroasted by two guys twice in a row. Though I suppose you could pair her with Rosie Palmer and the five fingers.
>>738555813I've always enjoyed the philosophy of making something yourself if you consider the original outcome unfavorable, encouraging creativity is always fun
>>738557090Not unless you're a waffle iron.
>>738557424Maybe she's just blunt, she did call Zaer "the strongest hobo" which is kind of a compliment when you think about it.
>>738557154 Tenna did
>>738557665>Elnina got spitroastedWe know very well Rouxls is the one in the middle of the sandwich.
>>738557665>The yuri curse died when Elnina got spitroasted by two guys twice in a row. but that's kinda gay, just like how a guy that sees himself as nonbinary but has sex with women makes things gayer than they should, the throuple was enough to negate the yuri curse
>>738557269>DRYanon could release the game's source code once he finishes the game, that would allow the game to be easily modded.The problem with DRY is that everything is hard coded. Even if you had the source code, it'd still be horrible to work with. You'd have to rewrite the whole game to make any sizable changes.
>>738556043Was it really a shafting? Clover was already dead in canon so it was kind of a foregone conclusion. Vengeance route was better anyways.
>>738557540I had a feeling before the spoilers that it was partners to be honest. I do enjoy the way you play out that clover the fairly recent scene where clover and martlet have that falling out lives rent free in my head. i was even thinking about a post pacifist clover and martlet talking it out about those routes if they somehow got memory back like what happens during partners
>>738557415Makes sense, you can only seethe about a bad ending for so long.
>>738557923>Was it really a shafting?it was, his friends abandon him in a second, they could've stopped him from giving away his soul but they didn't, there were ways to kill Clover that didn't involve making Clover's friends retarded
>>738557714I know this isn't what you meant by that, but I think it's interesting how that's essentially the main theme of UT itself, to an extent.The concept of determination is effectively the ability to reach an outcome, despite any and all obstacles that may stand in your way, even forces that should be utterly impossible to beat.In a way, writing your own version of events where things are as you want them to be is like an extension of that idea, your determination to see a certain outcome drove you to make that outcome a reality yourself, against the bounds of the original universe.I think it's interesting where this theme appears if you look for it.
>>738557893>problem with DRY is that everything is hard codedAs far as I know only the cutscenes are "hard coded", which is also how they work in Undertale and probably how they work in UTY as well.
>>738557634The secret true Goku route boss.
>>738557720Zaer and Val starting the underground's own bum fights crew.
>>738557786You know STARWALKER wasn't though. >>738557859Anything involving The Original is automatically super straight
>>738558209>true gokuYou kill all the enemies in the first areas and then begin sparing everyone at the middle point?
>>738557923Canon is for pussies.
>>738558080This is a really interesting idea that I think could be explored further, specifically with how it applies to fanfiction and how that might be represented through the meta lense of Undertale.
>>738558280Being a monster hobo doesn't sound that bad, you can get food from almost anywhere, you (probably) don't get sick and you can use magic to cover your other needs
>>738558339This Couple is Pissing on me...I'm the original Piss fetishist
>>738558093Well then maybe is he released the source code it'd be possible. I won't hold my breath on it happening.
>>738558029A lot of people seem to think that Undertale has some deep philosophical meaning. No, the real takeaway is that monsters are fucking stupid. They consistently do the most retarded thing possible at every turn, which was the only way Frisk survived as long as he did. They didn't lose the old war because humans were stronger, they lost because they're incompetent. Of course Clover's "friends" would be unreliable. They're more like automatons than actual people. So yeah neither the pacifist nor neutral endings were particularly surprising to me.Maybe I'm just jaded but eh.
>>738558345Arbitrarily kill and spare people to have the maximum amount of fights possible.
>>738558568Indeed, I'm somewhat surprised I don't see it come up as frequently in the UTDR community as you'd think it would.I personally prefer the idea in a non-meta sense, though that is much harder to apply to the world of UTDR than it is to some other things.
>>738558585The underground is basically just one giant indoor space. You never have to worry about rain or wind if you just go to the parts of it that don't have that.
>>738558660Ow, the edge.
>>738558660one second before the battle with Ceroba they were protecting Clover with their life, but as soon as Clover said "I wanna die lol" they just let this 10 year old kid throw away his life
>>738558696I see, so kill common enemies because they don't provide challenging fights, but spare the bosses since they can still grow stronger and become challenging rivals
>>738558779The non meta sense would just be a loosely fitting metaphor, like Gerson in Deltarune. I want to see this explored to its fullest extent, which can only happen if the game acknowledges that its fanfiction.
>>738556998>She would have been too hot and there was no other female character to pair her withThe cactus
>>738558951No, spare common enemies occasionally as well, like the Duendes, because they give you an optional extra fight.
>>738559127Cactus-chan is for Kris.
>>738559187that would require meta knowledge
>>738559086I've seen games explore the idea pretty thoroughly without having meta-stuff as a primary focus, and I actually think they do it really well.That's the beauty of a metaphor, it can mean multiple things.
Which Chujin design do you prefer?
>>738558634I considered making a base for UT/DR fangames similar to what that one anon was making that he never finished, maybe then I'd add a basic scripting system with pre made functions so you could tie stuff together yourself, but if I were to do that it would be only after DRY is finished or something, also would be in C# instead of GDscript
>>738559432Where in the fuck did this come from?
>>738559308Good thing you, the player, are here to help.
>>738559432Top, I'm a big fan of villain Chujin.
I've been working on an overhaul mod for years. It's not that I dislike the base game or anything. I just find the code to be a very interesting puzzlebox of sorts to tinker with.
>>738559432I'd say top because it looks the coolest, but I chose bottom because I'm a barafag
>>738559432So, we have (from left to right, descending)>Movie Robotnik Chujin>Chujin if Miss Syrup swapped with Toaster (coming soon to a Kanako fic near you)>Chujin if he Chujin >Chujin if he used Arch>Chujin according to Ceroba
>>738559743Sounds interesting, what kind of overhaul?
>>738559840>Chujin if he Chujin Completely out of character, he would never.
>>738559381I think you don't understand. What I'm talking about is a fangame that's about being a fangame, in the same way Undertale is a game about being a game.
>>738559457>>738558093>>738557893also DRY isn't as hard coded as it seems, yes the cutscenes and battle acts are hard coded IEnumerators, but events are called using godot's area2D nodes and the signal system. so you could just write your own script file and make an area 2D trigger it to call an event, and it would work just fine. same with all battle attacks having their own script file, as well as each enemy data being its own resource filethe only true hard coded things are some special things like middle battle events (honvich giving up, warden's tutorial and toster's overheat gimmick), the rest is pretty modular in a way. at most you would need to use bepinex or some C# modding tool to modify the acts file to add new acts if you wanted thator add new entries to the item data since those are also hard coded but if there is enough demand I could decouple those
>>738559743Overhaul mod of what?
>>738559904No, I got that, I just disagree with you on the idea that the only way to thoroughly explore the idea I talked about earlier is necessarily through meta-storytelling.Also, I wouldn't necessarily say Undertale is *about* it being a game directly, it's moreso about the way people see games and interact with them, as opposed to just being about being a game.
>>738559457That's not the same thing. There are already multiple projects like that, some in a fully usable and released. And it would still mean making an entirely new game. Still appreciated though. >>738560134I suppose that helps a bit.
>>738559797Do you often think about the idea of bara Chujin?
>>738559891Don't deny it, anon. We all know its true.
>>738559432I can't believe someone sprited Chujin wearing jorts.This has to be the worst thing anyone's ever drawn of him.
>>738560467No, I've only seen one fanart of Chujin with a bara body and it's probably the only one that exists
>>738560515He would never do that, this is a complete flanderization of his character, unbelievable.
>>738559432I like how they all have the same glasses except for femboy Chujin
>>738559861new loot tables, stat rebalances, items, enemies, recruits, events, etc.>>738560139Death Road to Canada. Though, this thread seems to be just about Undertale so uh, I'll see myself out.
>>738560770anon just post your stuff, if there is enough interest anons will replyalso interesting to see DRtC mentioned after all those years, haven't played it myself in a long time
>>738560770>Death Road to Canada.NTA, but huh, this is the first time I've seen a DR2C mod like this.What's it gonna be like, the mod?
>>738560770Is that a fuckin' keyblade in there?
>>738560770I didn't know Death Road to Canada had a modding community, this seems cool.
>the Roba waiting for a husband to come and "save" her from the hole, 19XX
>>738560264> I wouldn't necessarily say Undertale is *about* it being a game directly, it's moreso about the way people see games and interact with them,Category A falls under category B. Its like saying all squares are rectangles.
>>738560770>this thread seems to be just about UndertaleSorry you got catfished, mods will sometimes delete Undertale threads and it seems they have an even bigger hateboner for Undertale fangame threads. I'm not familiar with the game but your mod looks cool, I hope you make it to the finish line
>>738560527Someone hit this guy with that one E_D image, please.
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>>738560604He just took his glasses off to release him femboy inhibitors. Like Ralsei (or a gay version of Kenpachi).
>>738560770You can stay. Fan content discussion in general is fine too.
>>738561039There's a difference in focus, it's one thing for a game to simply be about being a game, and another thing entirely for it to actually do something with that idea, instead of just going "woo, this is a video game, none of this is real or matters and it's all fake".
>>738561007Roba saw the hole and instantly jumped in, assuming it had been dug specifically to court her. Luckily a male fox was in the area, so she was right.
>>738560770Fuck, I hope he didn't leave, I actually wanted to hear more about this.
>>738561147Well then go hit yourself with it and remember your shame.
>>738561259Well fine, what I want to see is a game about how people engage with media through fanfiction.
>>738561336Maybe later, I'm busy.
>>738561381That's fine and all, I just think that idea can be explored thoroughly while also being less overt and in-your-face.While I do think this idea is interesting, it also has a tendency to completely gimp the main story of the game as a side effect, since it effectively means that none of what's happening actually matters in-universe, so it's really easy to fuck up your story if you do it badly.
>>738560770While yeah we talk mostly about undertale stuff, honestly video game creative stuff is welcome and adds to the creative efforts. Good to hear you doing that
>>738561621seconding this UTDR is just one of my many tism sinks I like seeing people be creative
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>>738561901she has unlocked the secrets of forma de calvo...
>>738562043She finally reached her full potential as a boss monster
>>738561901can't wait to see the look on asgores face when the baldnanja crew pulls up
>>738562178I was about to write a joke but I checked some spritesdude I could swear Asgore had male pattern baldness but his sprite just has a big forehead did I just get mandela'd?
>>738561613>since it effectively means that none of what's happening actually matters in-universe,Does it though? Undertale's narrative still has impact, in fact it has more because of its meta elements.
>>738561901What's her power level?
>>738562509his Deltarune talk sprite does look as if he were balding, the crown hides it in Undertale
>>738562509Maybe Asgore wears a rug.
>>738562615Calvo form allows monsters to reach heights of power they could only dream of, some say it's comparable to a monster with determination or even a monster with a human soul
>>738562573I think the things about UT's narrative that have impact aren't really due to its meta-elements, they're largely unrelated most of the time.I generally prefer to view the UTDR universes as being worlds in their own right that simply happen to be viewed and interacted with as though they *were* video games, but I think having it all actually just be a game in-universe effectively kneecaps the story because then it's all just pointless, it's like those "it was all just a dream" theories people make that just completely negate the story.
>>738562810>but I think having it all actually just be a game in-universe effectively kneecaps the story because then it's all just pointlessnta, but I don't see how it being in-universe fiction makes things less valuable
>>738562810The biggest reactions the game gets are from Flowey and Chara messing with the player directly. The meta elements are very much the main appeal here. Maybe you personally don't care for them, but they're a bit part of why Undertale is as beloved as it is. >but I think having it all actually just be a game in-universe effectively kneecaps the story because then it's all just pointless, iI feel like Deltarune is directly calling out this line of logic. Why does that make it pointless? Why can't you treat them as real? Hell even Undertale itself is asking you to suspend their disbelief and think of them as real people with its genocide ending.
>>738563039>The biggest reactions the game gets are from Flowey and Chara messing with the player directly.No
>>738563113Have you ever watched another person play Undertale. I get the impression that you're basing this solely on your own experience.
>>738562926Because it means that nothing in-universe is actually true.There was a war between humans and monsters?No there wasn't. That didn't happen. A guy sat down and wrote that that happened, but none of this world existed before it was all programmed together.The barrier broke, granting monsterkind their freedom and allowing them to live on the surface?That didn't happen. There isn't a world out there, it's just a game, none of this exists after the credits.Everything being a game means that none of it matters, not even in its own context. The characters aren't even people, they're all just doing what they're programmed to do, saying what they're programmed to say, they aren't actually people in this fantastical situation, they're just puppets on strings.Saying "it was all just a game" is the easiest way to show that the story isn't even taking itself seriously, since it's all just a complete facade on every level of the story, and if the game's not taking the story seriously, why the hell should I?It's like how Homestuck started playing around with that kind of meta-narrative bullshit towards the end of its run, and it completely ruined the story by just showing that nothing mattered anymore.Oh, all these characters died and the heroes are currently facing their darkest hour?No they aren't, the main character has retcon powers and can just go back to earlier in the story to make that not be true anymore. It's all just a story, they can do whatever they want, nothing matters!>>738563039>Why does that make it pointless? Why can't you treat them as real?I can treat something as real even if I know it's not, but the problem with this kind of storytelling is that it basically goes out of its way to say how everything isn't real, and it's hard for me to maintain my suspension of disbelief when the game takes a second to go "boy, I sure love how nothing here is real and how these characters are all just NPCs with predetermined actions and dialogue!".
>>738563203My cousin, who was actually playing the game.Basically everything elicited a bigger reaction out of them. Maybe we could call the omega flowey fight and asriel call.
>>738563383I still don't see how this devalues the story, the characters believe it happened, and react as such and we know there's a surface since we see it at the end of the game.Something tells me you'd be on the group that hated Dangaronpa V3 ending, despite it actually being pretty good.
>>738563383So what would you do if you found out you were a character in a video game? Say we're all just characters' in God's passion project rpg, how do you react to that?>I can treat something as real even if I know it's not, but the problem with this kind of storytelling is that it basically goes out of its way to say how everything isn't real, and it's hard for me to maintain my suspension of disbelief when the game takes a second to go "boy, I sure love how nothing here is real and how these characters are all just NPCs with predetermined actions and dialogue!".So what makes Undertale different in your eyes? What makes you take it seriously despite it being a very meta story that frequently reminds you that you're the player and its a game?
>>738563039>Hell even Undertale itself is asking you to suspend their disbelief and think of them as real people with its genocide ending.I thought the genocide route's ending was more a criticism of how people engage with games for the sake of seeing everything they have to offer, but I guess what you said works.Anyway, the problem with that idea is that it's hard to see these characters as being real people when the game goes so far out of its way to remind you that they aren't.It's like how Oneshot (spoilers for Oneshot, don't read this if you haven't played it) says that every character in The World Machine (the simulation, not the AI of the same name) is actually just a a recreation of a person based on external data that's being powered and controlled by The World Machine (the AI, not the simulation, yes I know), effectively meaning that no one Niko interacts with throughout the game, other than you, and TWM, is actually a conscious entity by themselves, and it just completely ruins the whole story of the game, because now instead of saving a dying world filled with people, you're going on a quest to stop someone's simulation game save from corrupting. It completely ruins what was otherwise a pretty good story, because it just takes all the value out of everything by showing you, in no uncertain terms, that the people you met and interacted with throughout the game aren't even technically people.It's worse than the Ark from SOMA, because at least those were actually based on scans of people, this is like Caprica shit.
>>738563507>Maybe we could call the omega flowey fight and asriel call.Huh?
>>738563556>the characters believe it happened,No they don't.The characters don't believe anything, they're lines of code and sprites designed to do very specific things, they don't have minds or agency, they're characters in a video game.>we know there's a surface since we see it at the end of the game.We see bits and pieces of a surface, all disconnected areas for each character, but that's it. No connectivity, nothing to show it exists if we aren't looking at it, and if this is all a game, then yeah, it wouldn't, because it's all just programmed in, and probably coded to stop rendering the second it's off-screen.It's all just a game, and that's what games are, so none of it actually matters in-universe, because none of the people are people, and nothing can ever happen that isn't a consequence of how the game was programmed.
>>738563992seems like a you problem, just because something is fiction that doesn't make it worthless, I knew from the start the characters in UT/DR are just lines of code and sprites, them being an in universe simulation doesn't change that, it would be as if I were told that my entire life is just part of a simulation, it would change nothing on how I see the world.
>>738563720>Say we're all just characters' in God's passion project rpg, how do you react to that?He needs to learn better game design. The worldbuilding is great, but the gameplay is a slog.>So what makes Undertale different in your eyes? What makes you take it seriously despite it being a very meta story that frequently reminds you that you're the player and its a game?Because I choose not to see it as you describe it.I don't interpret it as being a game about being a game, I interpret it as a game about a world that fully exists in its own right, but is able to be interacted with through the medium of a game.
>>738563771>I thought the genocide route's ending was more a criticism of how people engage with games for the sake of seeing everything they have to offer, but I guess what you said works.It does, those are complementary points. You either engage with the game as a game and nothing more. You just check off all the boxes, and completely ignore any morality or weight that could be assigned to your actions. Or you engage with the game on its terms, you play pretend and immerse yourself in the world even though you know its a game. You treat every choice as though it were real and had actual consequence, even though you know it doesn't. >Oneshot spoilersYeah i haven't played it and do intend to. Here's how I think about things. There are levels of reality. To the characters all of this is real, they're living it. Then there's you, you exist above all of that. The world of the characters can't affect you unless you allow it to. You're like a god in mythology coming down into the world of mortal men to immerse himself in their lives. You make the story real. The story takes itself seriously (or at least it should, Undertale does, which is why it works) but its on you to reciprocate that seriousness to properly enjoy it.
>>738564117>just because something is fiction that doesn't make it worthless, I knew from the start the characters in UT/DR are just lines of code and sprites,Of course I know the characters are just video game characters, that's not what I'm talking about.>it would be as if I were told that my entire life is just part of a simulation, it would change nothing on how I see the world.I bet you probably wouldn't feel as good if you were a Boltzmann brain.
>>738563720>Say we're all just characters' in God's passion project rpg, how do you react to that?I'd want to kill him like any good RPG youngster does
>>738564292>I bet you probably wouldn't feel as good if you were a Boltzmann brain.I don't think that would change how I experience (experienced? pretended to experience?) life, the universe would still work under the same rules to me.
>>738564190>He needs to learn better game design. The worldbuilding is great, but the gameplay is a slog.You're avoiding the purpose of the question. Would you view your life as fake and yourself as not being a person if you found that out? Would you stop taking anything seriously?> I interpret it as a game about a world that fully exists in its own right, but is able to be interacted with through the medium of a game.Then how do you cope with Flowey? He as a character is a direct description of the simulation you find yourself in. He was in your shoes, he played the game until he saw everything and learned how predictable it all is. He sees the game as a game and he points out that fact at every turn.
>>738564275>You treat every choice as though it were real and had actual consequence, even though you know it doesn't.I know, I can already immerse myself in things that I know are fictitious, but imagine if you were immersed in a game like Deus Ex or something, and every once in a while the game decided to say "oh yeah, none of what you're doing matters or is real, you're just sitting at a desk right now playing a game, but weee, isn't pretending fun?".It'd completely kill the story by reminding you that none of it matters, even to itself.>Yeah i haven't played it and do intend to. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on a number of things about that game, but I'll refrain from elaborating any until you play it.>You're like a god in mythology coming down into the world of mortal men to immerse himself in their lives.That's effectively how I already see it, but it doesn't work when the game itself is saying that the characters in-universe don't *have* their own lives, by virtue of the world being a game. A character walking off-screen doesn't represent them going about their business, they're vanishing the second they aren't in eyeshot, reappearing wherever the game needs them next.It's one thing to be a god among men, and another thing to be a man among sock puppets.
I like you guys but goddamn these walls of text get real autistic
>>738563992>The characters don't believe anything, they're lines of code and sprites designed to do very specific things, they don't have minds or agency, they're characters in a video game.You're just molecules arranged together to move in a certain way. To an outside observer, maybe all of us would be just as much predictable npcs with no agency or true thought. I choose to believe my actions are my own, even if that is the case, and that the things in my life matter. So as a consequence I also choose to apply that view to the characters as well. Sure they aren't really real, but the things matter to them, so I choose to view them as real so they can matter to me. Deltarune heavily discusses this idea, and I think the darkners are the analog for the fictional characters. They have no real will or agency of their own, but lightners give it to them, and that makes them real.
>>738563774As in the actual Omega Flowey fight, they didn't really react to the attack at the start of the game besides saying it was mean.
>>738564752Yeah, I'm not interested in this nonversation happening for the 400th time.
let's change subjet, here's ketchup slilk for those that missed ithttps://files.catbox.moe/mj878a.png
>>738564473>Would you view your life as fake and yourself as not being a person if you found that out? Would you stop taking anything seriously?Well, Christian mythology already says that the world is a construct created by God, so all you're doing is changing what kind of construct it is.The world's as real to me as it was before.What makes that different in UT's case, is that the world seems like a genuine fantasy world at first, albeit with the inclusion of game mechanics, but with the meta-aspect introduced, everything becomes flat. It's all just a last-thursday thing, nothing any of the characters talk about matters, none of the story is true even in the context of its own universe, because it's all just something some guy wrote up *in-universe*.>Then how do you cope with Flowey?I see him like I see Durandal, partially.As for his core ideology, it's nothing new. Hell, Groundhog Day plays around with a lot of those same concepts, it just doesn't have the protagonist become a sociopathic serial killer as a result of the timeloop.Seeing something as a game doesn't make it one.
>>738564948Based, who are you thinking of working on after your assumably current reynault?
>>738564948Huh.I think this is the first time I've seen someone repost one of my NSFW pieces.
>>738565057I'm not the anon who drew that, just someone who enjoyed that piece and wanted to change topic
>>738564948didn't notice until now how Bedo seems to have muscular arms in this pic, is every Naranja character going to be buff in someway?
>>738564948As someone who missed it, I appreciate the repost.>>738565214Fitness is mandatory for every Naranja character.
>>738564752Agreed, I keep telling them to quit having these autistic arguments but they don't listen, it's like they're bots or something.Well, not that it matters since they do this every thread. This is what happens when you let threads mutate for years, they stop making sense.
>>738564778>To an outside observer, maybe all of us would be just as much predictable npcs with no agency or true thought. Any situation, when run with the exact same variables and starting conditions, will play out the same way when set to loop.2+2 equals 4, not because it's fated to equal 4, but because that is the natural result of the starting equation.This is how life works. It's not "predetermination", it's just how the world works. We still have free will and agency, and that book about statistical mechanics is just trying to be spooky.The things in your life do matter, and your choices are very much your own.>Deltarune heavily discusses this idea, and I think the darkners are the analog for the fictional characters. They have no real will or agency of their own, but lightners give it to them, and that makes them real.Bet you'd like Caprica.
>>738565106Well then>>738565070Any idea what image youre doing after your assumable current reynault?
>>738564690>and every once in a while the game decided to say "oh yeah, none of what you're doing matters or is real, you're just sitting at a desk right now playing a game, but weee, isn't pretending fun?".That's not what meta story telling is though, not necessarily at least. You're the one tacking on that "none of this matters" stuff. What I want is a game that says "none of this is real, but that doesn't matter, all that matters is if it matters to you". >That's effectively how I already see it, but it doesn't work when the game itself is saying that the characters in-universe don't *have* their own lives, by virtue of the world being a game. That's what (you)'re for. The game gives you a set of characters and plot points and you make them real in your mind. Undertale is playing with that. These characters and their lives are as real as you make them.
>>738565214Oh, I just drew her like that because I didn't want her arms to just be completely smooth, thought it looked a little odd.
>>738565428I like it, it shows she still has some of her physique from when she did martial arts
>>738564752This is genuine discussion about the philosophy presented in the game. Its no more autistic than the source material. >>738564856>Nonversation >4000th timeThis is a new debate. >>738565302I think you're just posting in bad faith because you don't want any discussion to happen here at all.
>>738564792No anon, what does "call it call" mean?
Why would Martlet take the bread instead of the key?
>>738555813who is that character they look hot
>>738565594Because as a bird, she can't go against her nature
>>738565302You must be a phone poster with how such small paragraphs are "walls of text" to you.
>>738556043I would say it's more than just the MC that got shafted, Yellow had a few different lines that were disappointing>Chujin was dead prior to the events of the game, he was a non-character that did an oppsie because he was racist>Kanako was dead prior to the events of the game, and despite being amalgamated, Ceroba never even tried to push for True lab after confronted by Clover>The cast in general lacked development, since half of the game isn't that important
>>738565616see >>738556424 >>738556579
>>738565530>This is a new debate.It is literally such a fucking rehash of you just "stating" the premise of your non-arguments "at eachother" there is literally no fucking reasonable way you don't know you've done this hundreds of times over, shut the fuck up, post something actually interesting, I get it's 4chan, post whatever the fuck you want, but at this point it is literally just fucking spam. You aren't even talking, you're just stating topics at each other. This is so fucking pointless it is unbearable. I don't even want to finish the shit I'm drawing.
>>738565324I have a handful of ideas, but nothing's locked in yet.To be somewhat transparent, I'm a little burnt out from all the studying I've been doing as I approach the end of my semester, so I've been leaning towards doing relatively smaller images lately, as opposed to larger projects.Not that that stops them from still taking longer than I want them to, but I have little control over such things.As I said in the other thread, I'm currently drawing a Reynault/Anon pic, which I hope to complete before Wednesday, but after that, I have a few ideas floating around that I could try and work on to cool down a bit.Something with Ceroba seductively tugging at her not-kimono, a pinup of Martlet in a bikini, that Luzma "whilk" image idea, along with a handful of non-UTDR related ideas that wouldn't be relevant here.Once I've recovered from finals, I hope to have that Martlet/Anon talon image done before the end of the month, I haven't forgotten about it.After *that*, maybe I'll take requests again, as well as hopefully rounding off a few old promises/threats.
>>738565585call the Omega Flowey fight and Asriel phone call.As in the shit at the end of a playthrough.
>>738565594She's hungry>>738565715These are all good ideas. Best of luck!
>>738565714what are you drawing?
>>738565016> It's all just a last-thursday thing, nothing any of the characters talk about matters, Its last Thursday to you in the real world, its an entire history to them in their world. The only difference here is that some of the characters in the world are aware of this dichotomy. Again think of darkners. They have these lives and histories which chronologically can't exist in the light world, but they do in the dark. The lightners make these histories real through their determination. And while they're inside the dark world, its just as real as anything else. >because it's all just something some guy wrote up *in-universe*.In universe that history still happened. It just acknowledges that there is a higher plane beyond its universe where that didn't. >As for his core ideology, it's nothing new. Hell, Groundhog Day plays around with a lot of those same concepts, it just doesn't have the protagonist become a sociopathic serial killer as a result of the timeloop.But the game is explicitly framing him as another player who's played the game longer than you.
>>738565405>"none of this is real, but that doesn't matter, all that matters is if it matters to you". That's what every fictional story does.That's the point of literally all fictional storytelling.The point of LOTR isn't "oh, this all happened, this all matters because all of this is 1000% true and real", it's to tell a story to entertain people, like every other fucking story in existence.Having a story say "none of this is real, but that doesn't matter, all that matters is if it matters to you" is fucking stupid, because all it establishes is that the story itself isn't even keeping track of itself. It doesn't matter to *itself*, it's completely gimping itself.
>>738565714>I don't even want to finish the shit I'm drawing.NTA, but I doubt you're an actual drawfag around here if this kind of thing is what's getting you to shit your diaper.This conversation isn't even drowning anything else out, no one else was doing anything, nothing was getting buried, you're just a whiny bitch who doesn't want people to discuss things.
>>738565309>We still have free will and agency, and that book about statistical mechanics is just trying to be spooky.I haven't read that book, and the statistical arguments I've heard brought up against free will sounded dumb to me. Most of my thoughts on free will come from thinking about religion or from meta fiction stuff like we're discussing right now. I think free will does exist, even if you were only ever going to do the one thing. Just like I think real to me is real enough. >Bet you'd like Caprica.The BSG prequel series? I dropped BSG because of how much of a soap opera it was and how the only times it wasn't doing that it was getting really pretentious with how it handled its subject matter.
>>738557984"Cast finds out about all the timeline shenanigans" is something I also have an appetite for, but is so rarely done well. There are tons of fics in that vein for Re: Zero, but you'll get basically the same format of characters getting shunted into an extradimensional box, watching the anime on a screen, and inevitably wanting to maim each other but not being allowed to because the author is in the room (and I mean that literally.)I can understand the failing, to an extent. The format is challenging because it introduces insane complexity, and the time-out box--which cleaves variables down to the absolute minimum--is a reaction to that. But it leaves the story feeling sterile and usually results in a ultra-dry novelization with a peanut gallery.If I had to write something like that and make it fun, I'd probably opt for a marriage of the concept with it's older brother, the "time travel fix-it." I think they would balance out the weaknesses inherent to them.Martlet discovering the truth was a long term goal of mine, but took a different form from the original. It was going to be more of a slow-motion train wreck where Martlet was unable to deny the truth, and without Clover even knowing, she has the realization that he is a time traveler, and she is too. I actually have an artifact from that plan. It's a partial scene in my snippet doc where Martlet is in the Steamworks and thinking about the source of her intuitions about Clover, and how she gained them.
>>738565921>Again think of darkners. They have these lives and histories which chronologically can't exist in the light world, but they do in the dark.Homestuck did that too with multiple things, except it didn't (originally) decide to look you in the eye and say "this is all make-believe and nothing matters", it actually had its characters be people in the context of their universe, even for stuff directly related to Sburb.It was a game to the players, but a world to the people and creatures generated by the game, but that didn't stop the game stuff from actually being real when not directly powered by the Orkish power of belief.>But the game is explicitly framing him as another player who's played the game longer than you.He says he views the world as a game and the people as NPCs, but that's because he had a fundamentally different perspective on things than everyone else did, he alone held the power to control time until Frisk showed up.He went through the same scenarios, from the same starting conditions, with the same people, for so long, that he was able to eventually see every possible outcome and combination of events that he could see, causing him to see the world as a game.He saw things from a higher perspective, and that changed the way he views things, but that doesn't inherently mean the world has to be a game based on that.Like Durandal says, "Escape will make me God".
>>738557984>>738566249Here's the snip. It was too long to have in that post, so I had to separate it. Spoiler warning for Partners, but nothing major despite where the scene takes place.Scenario: Martlet is reading Clover’s expression(One of the first snips I did. I originally imagined Martlet going into the Steamworks.)She sees his blank expression grow even more blank, in a way that Martlet can read but Ceroba certainly cannot. It’s a tightening of the facial muscles, locking them into a neutral expression that wants to change into something else.If Martlet were any less fluent in reading Clover, she would have missed it. It must be a holdover from… that time that never was. It’s out of Martlet’s reach, the memory of the experience of learning Clover’s expressions, but the skill remains sharp. It’s like addition: No one remembers the exact moment they learned that two and two is four, and they can’t explain how they learned; the memory is too old, if it persists at all. But they know when they must have learned it. Only one point in time makes sense.That carefully blank expression is one that Martlet knows well the meaning of: pain. She looks down at her talons, no, her boots. Blood spatter. She blinks the scarlet memory away. Don’t grimace.
>>738565982>That's what every fictional story doesBut it never examines and plays with this fact. That's what makes meta fiction so interesting. >because all it establishes is that the story itself isn't even keeping track of itself.No it doesn't. A story can still keep track of itself while being aware that is a story. And it can still take itself seriously as well. >It doesn't matter to *itself*,Yes it does. It takes itself as seriously as its possible to take itself. It lays itself bare for you, lets you see behind the curtain, lets you learn how the trick is done, then has the faith in you to carry on with the trick knowing you'll be able to appreciate it fully for what it is on every level, rather than just the surface level illusion it would've sold you. Maybe this is just something you can't do, and maybe we'll never agree on this, but I hope you can at least come to understand how I see things, even if you disagree.
>>738566230>and the statistical arguments I've heard brought up against free will sounded dumb to me. Yes, exactly.Statistical mechanics is good for particle physics, but it doesn't invalidate the concept of free will.>The BSG prequel series?Yes.>I dropped BSG because of how much of a soap opera it was and how the only times it wasn't doing that it was getting really pretentious with how it handled its subject matter.Honestly, fair.It took a bit of restraint for me to keep going after the "13 Cylons" arc.Well, I guess that was more sunk-cost fallacy than anything else, really.And god, that ending.I'd say I'd think you'd hate the ending, but based on how our opinions usually differ, you might actually love it, who knows.
>>738565779There's no Asriel phone call. You talk to him in person.
>>738565789>These are all good ideas. Best of luck!Thank you.I enjoy talking about my art whenever the subject pops up, even if it doesn't happen too often, and even though most anons only ever talk about certain specific works of mine.I suppose obscurity suits me better.
>>738565668DRY hasn't done much with Chujin either, despite having a whole Chujin chapter. It seems the motivation behind it really is just Kanaclover and saving those two, with everything else just being a footnote.
>>738565715>To be somewhat transparent, I'm a little burnt out from all the studying I've been doing as I approach the end of my semester, so I've been leaning towards doing relatively smaller images lately, as opposed to larger projects. Doing smaller projects can be helpful when youre dealing with that. Take things at your own pace. Not meaning to ask to harass you or anything, just chatting about the artGood luck with the work anon, dont push yourself too hard
>>738566731there will be more chujin content in the next chapters
>>738566557>That's what makes meta fiction so interesting. And we've come full-circle, back to where it all started.I stand by what I said, I think these ideas can be explored and analyzed just as thoroughly, *without* making the story they're present in meaningless.Again, I would say the Marathon trilogy is one of the best examples of this, working these ideas into things in-universe without devaluing them or making them feel pointless, *enhancing* the story instead.It makes the world feel *larger* instead of boxing it in to just being a work of fiction through and through.
>>738565714Anon, that's what an argument is. People stating their own viewpoints, where they disagree, and defending them. And all of this is constructive and completely on topic. >I don't even want to finish the shit I'm drawing.Even though I'm inclined to doubt you, I'm going to take you on good faith and assume you're telling the truth. Art is good, but whether or not you can finish it is your prerogative. The thread doesn't have to cater to your interests just because you draw. I draw too, and I'm not owed anything for it. That said, maybe you could discuss drawing if you want to do that. What are you drawing?
>>738565594Breaking out of her cell is against the rules.
>>738566753>Not meaning to ask to harass you or anything, just chatting about the artYou kidding?I love it when people talk about my art, it makes me feel like I've actually contributed something around here other than to the post count.I know there isn't often a reason for people to talk about my work, outside of when I post something new, but I enjoy it whenever it happens.
>>738566869Personally, I just feel like a massive pea brain when it comes to meta fiction. I never really see it coming, only when someone explains it to me like a 5-year old.
>>738566985>I just feel like a massive pea brain when it comes to meta fiction. I never really see it coming, only when someone explains it to me like a 5-year old....What?Are you the guy I was talking to just previously, or are you someone new?
Huh, that was a screeching halt.
>>738567267Good, I enjoy discussions from time to time in these threads, but that argument was going nowhere
>>738566249>Cast finds out about all the timeline shenanigans" is something I also have an appetite for, but is so rarely done well. Its painful, i want to try my hand at it once I work on some other stuff. I think theres potential but its always just either terribly handled or well, never finishes> but you'll get basically the same format of characters getting shunted into an extradimensional box, watching the anime on a screen, and inevitably wanting to maim each other but not being allowed to because the author is in the room (and I mean that literally.)I hate these a lot to be honest. Its putting every effort into skipping any actual character interaction and just makes the misery theaterBut yeah you've got a fair point it is a hard thing to handle well. >>738566423But I really seriously like the way you ran that. Her reading the expression is really good. It feela like a good, gradual step instead of answering every single question at once. If I wasnt semi preoccupied id have much more to say on this topic, and of my idea for how another approach could be. I'll try to post when I can
>>738567440Yes, and it's a good thing it stopped just in time to be replaced by fuck all.I don't understand you sharties.
>>738566414>this is all make-believe and nothing mattersI'm beginning to wonder if Homestuck just permanently poisoned the idea of meta-narrative for you. Because when I see a meta-narrative I don't get "not real, doesn't matter" from it. I still get that its real within the confines of its fictional world, it just acknowledges that I exist outside of it. To me it still matters. I still care where it goes and what happens to the characters even if I know the whole time it isn't really real in the real world. Or maybe this is because I've always enjoyed playing pretend and am a writer myself. I might be the one engaging with fiction in a weird way since I so often find myself as the man behind the curtain. I see all the wires and trapdoors, and know how its all being done, and I enjoy being part of the process and getting in character to help that. I suppose that means I also like occasionally having an indirect conversation with the man behind the curtain through my character and his actions. I think being made a character in the story via meta stuff just makes me feel more immersed, and makes everything feel more real, because it invites me to become directly involved rather than just be a passive observer. >He saw things from a higher perspective, and that changed the way he views things, but that doesn't inherently mean the world has to be a game based on that.But how do you not see the obvious author's intent framing him as another player? Are you just blind to subtext while engaging with a story? If so, I don't really know if I can communicate this to you. Whenever I see Flowey in the game, even as I interact with him under the pretense of him being an in universe character with in universe motivations, I still see him as an obvious parallel to me and a metaphor for how people engage with the game.
>>738567520I'm not a sharty, I've participated in these discussions on some threads, but this one really felt like a circlejerk where no one learned or changed anything
>>738566772I hope so. And I hope it has more weight and impact than what we got in chapter 2.
>>738567267Someone was crying about a discussion not meeting their personal qualifications, and people naturally slowed down that discussion, possibly as the crying was going down
>>738567610The threads don't have to bend over backwards to you just because you don't like the topic of discussion at any given time.Don't like a subject, don't participate in it, simple as.And honestly, you saying you didn't want to finish your own drawing because of it is just fucking pathetic, good lord.It's like a child yelling that someone isn't invited to their birthday party, get the hell over yourself.
>>738566869This guy >>738566985 is someone elseAnyways I hope you at least understood my points, even if they didn't sway you in the slightest. >instead of boxing it in to just being a work of fiction through and through.To me it doesn't feel like its boxed in. If anything it feels like its breaking out of a box. It allows for all kinds of new and unique narrative and character angles to be explored.
>>738567267The debate ran its course.
>>738567729I'm not the guy who started complaining or who mentioned the drawing, it just that this seems more like an argument between a couple rathen than a philosophical debate
>>738567729I mean I would have liked to see the art.
>>738567610I've learned more about how meta-narratives can be viewed, and better defined my own position by being forced to defend it.
>>738567601>I still get that its real within the confines of its fictional world, it just acknowledges that I exist outside of it.A story can do that without completely ruining itself, it's just that a lot don't.Something that Oneshot actually does well is how it establishes the relationship between Niko and the Player without branding Niko as being "not real" in the context of Oneshot's universe.>I think being made a character in the story via meta stuff just makes me feel more immersed, and makes everything feel more real, because it invites me to become directly involved rather than just be a passive observer.Yes, I agree, but it depends on how exactly such a thing is done. Making the Player a direct part of a story *can* be an interesting way of telling a story, but the problem is that the "video game" angle just ends up flattening the rest of the story, as opposed to bringing you into it.>But how do you not see the obvious author's intent framing him as another player?I do see his intent, but there's a difference between what he's meant to represent as a metaphor, versus what he's meant to be in a literal sense.He's a parallel to the player, but he's also a flower that had time powers that changed his perspective on his world in a literal sense, those aren't mutually exclusive.>Are you just blind to subtext while engaging with a story?Alright, now you're just making jabs at me.>I still see him as an obvious parallel to me and a metaphor for how people engage with the game.He is, but that doesn't make him *not* literally something within the actual story too.
>>738567923Yeah, but if that guy earlier was the kind of person who would decide to just scrap a drawing because people weren't talking about something he liked, without actually offering up anything of substance to talk about in its place, he probably wasn't actually making anything and just wanted to be a prick.
>>738567896According to you, a person not involved in it, and also not talking about anything else.You wanna talk about something else, talk about something else, quit bitching.
>>738568187How exactly is he supposed to carry the thread and draw at the same time? No offense but I don't think you thought this through very well?
>>738559840>Chujin if Miss Syrup swapped with Toaster (coming soon to a Kanako fic near you)>ms sryup and toster swap>she constantly tries to get chujin to overeat>he's strong willed enough to resist it and not even notice what she's doing.>this is blatantly obvious to cole and kanako>they leave the dark world>"im so mad that im going to write fanfiction about daddy falling for ms sryup's food">* ... you're writing fetish smut about your dad?>"n-no not like that cole!">* no, you meant it like that>"nooo stop it didnt!">* you definitely did>"ok maybe."
>>738555813What would be the "ideal" way to die for each human soul? I've seen the idea of kindness giving away their soul before, but what about the others?
>>738567838>Anyways I hope you at least understood my points, even if they didn't sway you in the slightest. I think a lot of your points were based on fundamentally misunderstanding mine, since you started operating on the idea that I just don't know what subtext is past a certain point.Which is interesting, given that my main point was that the ideas you were saying could only really be conveyed through a direct meta-narrative could also be conveyed through metaphors without damaging a story itself, so I have no idea how you managed to arrive at that conclusion.My core issue here is when subtext begins to take away from the main story itself by diverting the focus of the story and having consequences that clash with the main text.I'd make a very specific example here with Oneshot, but you said you haven't played it, so I suppose you'll just have to get back to me on that.>To me it doesn't feel like its boxed in. If anything it feels like its breaking out of a box. It allows for all kinds of new and unique narrative and character angles to be explored.I don't think it's necessarily the case that you need to use a meta-narrative in order to tell a story about those things, I think that's just a shortcut that can often damage the story being told to begin with.
>>738568129>Something that Oneshot actually does well is how it establishes the relationship between Niko and the Player without branding Niko as being "not real" in the context of Oneshot's universe.While I haven't played Oneshot, one thing I do know about it is that it refers to Niko as a real person that you are responsible for and that closing the game is murder. I actively dislike that. I'm not gonna say it ruins the story, but I do dislike when a story tries to get meta, but then acts like its still real enough to have power over me and be a threat to me. That's also a big reason I hate SCP. I dislike the game acting like it really exists somewhere out in the universe and that its just using my computer as a conduit to communicate with me. The idea is absurd to me because I know its just code on a hard drive and its trying to tell me directly otherwise. At least Undertale is honest about what it is and politely asks me to play along. So I do. >Alright, now you're just making jabs at me.I'm not trying to. I wouldn't even call that a bad thing, just different. Anyways to me a character is inseparably married to their subtext and narrative role. I can't think about a character without also thinking about why the author put them there. Bit of a silly analogy that's giving me way more credit than I deserve, but I feel a bit like Neo seeing the matrix as lines of code. I still see the characters, but I see the parts that make them up too.
>>738568382He was complaining about *other people* talking about something, not that *he* was actively being involved in a conversation he didn't like, and then he proceeded to whine like a petulant child and say that he doesn't want to finish some drawing he claimed to be working on because people on the internet were having a discussion entirely unrelated to him.Full offense, but I don't think you thought this through very well.
>>738568236I am directly involved in it. I'm the one that keeps talking about how cool I think meta-narrative is, specifically the kind that acknowledges that it is fiction.
>>738568521I have to think on this. Why is perseverance an elderly British man?
>>738568681I think the implication here is the perseverance stayed on the Underground for a very long time before deciding to face Asgore
>>738568524>since you started operating on the idea that I just don't know what subtext is past a certain point.That's not what I said. I meant that you either can't or simply choose not to engage with the subtext while engaging directly with a game. If I was wrong in suspecting that, fair enough. I don't think it's necessarily the case that you need to use a meta-narrative in order to tell a story about those things, I think that's just a shortcut that can often damage the story being told to begin with.I suppose now we've reached a failure on my part. I know that these things are different. It doesn't feel the same nor does it have the same impact when its not a meta narrative, but I can't precisely put into words why it feels so different and why that difference is so meaningful to me. I just know that its there. >
>>738568581>closing the game is murder. I actively dislike that.Only in the 2013 version, actually.The Steam version doesn't do that, you can close it whenever.>The idea is absurd to me because I know its just code on a hard drive and its trying to tell me directly otherwise.So what you're saying is that you lack the ability to immerse yourself in a fictional world that you know is fictional, *because* you know it's fictional?Hm.>At least Undertale is honest about what it is and politely asks me to play along. So I do.Does UT not also attempt to threaten you, with Chara's whole thing at the end of the genocide route, or those messages in the game's files directly referring to and threatening you?This is just cherry-picking at this point, you can't just say UT doesn't also do those sorts of things like that and say that's why it's different.>I can't think about a character without also thinking about why the author put them there.I can.I can appreciate what a character represents *and* what they are literally.If anything, it sounds like you're the one here who's being limited.
>>738568470I feel like that isn't an appropriate amount of disgust for him to have at the thought of Kanako writing revenge fetish smut of her dad
>>738568615I mean specifically, the thing they were annoyed about was that this happens really frequently apparently. I don't think they were annoyed about the topic of discussion.
>>738568983after a certain point you get used to your friend being a deranged pervert.
>>738568521I feel like this was drawn to make it ambiguous on if the yellow soul fought asgore there or not. Pretty sure this may have even been drawn before yellow was announced? If not it must have been close
>>738568891>I meant that you either can't or simply choose not to engage with the subtext while engaging directly with a game. If I was wrong in suspecting that, fair enough. As previously stated, I am well aware of what Flowey is meant to be on a metaphorical level, a parallel to the player (or a representation of the mindset a lot of players have), but as I also stated previously, I do not see this as being mutually exclusive with what he is in-universe, a talking flower that previously had time powers that gave him a different perspective on the world around him and the people within it. His story is literal and metaphorical, not simply one or the other.You seem to be viewing him as being *purely* allegorical, which is where a lot of the confusing here seems to be stemming from.>It doesn't feel the same nor does it have the same impact when its not a meta narrative, but I can't precisely put into words why it feels so different and why that difference is so meaningful to me. I just know that its there.Well, I suppose that's just where the line is for you. Based on what you had to say on the Gheritt White terminal, assuming you are who I think you are, I guess I should've figured as much.Do you really have such trouble seeing something as both literal and metaphorical?
>>738568521Patience wandered into the Ruins city, died, and her SOUL was snuck off to Asgore. Toriel made the road to and from the city hard to traverse after that.Bravery challenged monsters and finally made it to Asgore.Integrity was mortally wounded and hid in Waterfall. Eventually her SOUL was found.Perseverance lived in hiding until he surrendered himself.Kindness collapsed from heatstroke in Hotland.Justice fought Asgore and lost.
>>738569019>the thing they were annoyed about was that this happens really frequently apparently.Well, they're wrong, it's been a while since we've had an argument like this in one of these threads.They're just bitching to bitch.
>>738568916>So what you're saying is that you lack the ability to immerse yourself in a fictional world that you know is fictional, *because* you know it's fictional?Hm.What I'm saying is I don't like the game to lie to me and act like I don't know. It feels like being threatened with coal from santa Klaus as a serious threat. I'm more than capable and willing to immerse myself if the game will treat me like an adult that knows what its doing and how video games work. I'm willing to play my part if the game acknowledges that the only power it has over me is what I give it. >Does UT not also attempt to threaten you, with Chara's whole thing at the end of the genocide route,Yeah, but its an empty threat. I can just go into my appdata and undo it. The real threat of chara isn't the spooky child on the screen, its where he came from, what he really is. He's me. I can delete the genocide save data, but I can't delete the part of me that wanted to do that run in the first place. Admittedly I do still kinda dislike Chara gaining power over you in that save, even if I can square it away as being petty and hollow power. I never said Undertale was perfect, just that I like it better. If you want an example of how I feel about this sort of a thing, look at the red letter media review of superhot. That game has a meta scene where it acts like its trapped you, unbinds your escape key and says "go ahead, try to close the game", and upon seeing this Rich Evans just alt f4's to close the game.If a meta story doesn't acknowledge that the player can do stuff like this, then it kills not only my suspension of disbelief, but also my desire to do so in the first place. Just makes me want to do like Rich Evans did, go "ok smartass", then use my ultimate power over the game as the owner of the computer to close it.
>>738569026I feel like that's a new low, even for her.
>>738569360>but as I also stated previously, I do not see this as being mutually exclusive with what he is in-universe,I don't think they are either. I just can't not think about one thing when thinking of the other. To me they are the same thing, just that thing viewed from different angles. >You seem to be viewing him as being *purely* allegorical, which is where a lot of the confusing here seems to be stemming from.He's not purely allegorical, his allegory is just so strong and heavily tied to the meta narrative that it irrevocably colors his in universe explanation.
>>738569420So it has happened before.
>>738569591>I'm willing to play my part if the game acknowledges that the only power it has over me is what I give it. I suppose this is another area where we differ, I simply separate the idea of "the Player" from the idea of myself.Oneshot already boxes you in by giving you limited interaction with Niko, despite them supposedly being able to just hear whatever you say to them, so it's not like that separation between "the Player" and I doesn't already exist to start with. It's just another layer.Same for the limited choices present in UTDR."The Player" isn't me, it's a lens I'm being filtered through in order to interact with the story.
>>738569415>Kindness collapsed from heatstroke in Hotland.I would've thought all that time behind a hot stove would've built up a resistance.
>>738569783>I just can't not think about one thing when thinking of the other. To me they are the same thing, just that thing viewed from different angles.Then I guess I'm just better at compartmentalization than you.Whatever, *now* I think we've about rung this one dry.
>>738569886Yeah, generally speaking, but it's been multiple threads since it happened, and not every long winded conversation is "bots" or whatever that tard was screaming about before.
>>738569889To me "the player" is the mortal form I assume to interact with the lesser reality of Deltarune. I intentionally give up most of my power so I can engage with the story more directly. To me if I'm not doing that, but only playing as an in universe character of "the player" that kills the mood, because what I really want is that other thing.
You know what, fuck it. Ill take a few green requests. I probably havent got a shot of getting to them tonight but maybe i can do them tomorrow as a warm up.
Oh, say, Oldentale anon, how exactly would you describe Reynault's bodily proportions?I can't quite shake the idea that he would have a similar body shape as a fox character from an older piece of animation, like John Foulfellow or something, but smaller.Probably because of some of the times you've described him behaving much like a cartoon character, I don't know.
>>738570130What greens have you done before, if you don't mind my asking?
>>738570041Fair, I mostly just use it to get around the "I would not fucking say that" whenever I'm forced to use a dialogue option that I, indeed, would not say.
>>738570237My main inspiration for him is classic fairytale storybook art. With classic cartoons being a secondary influence. His cartoon influences are more looney tunes than Disney though.
>>738570481I get mad at that too, but I can rationalize it as being another limitation of me choosing to play the game.
>>738570580Alright, I see.Well, I assume that means his general proportions and body shape aren't anything too terribly non-humanoid.Works for me.
>>738570130Gizmo and Sadie playing Flash Gorgon, written entirely in character as if it were really a sci fi pulp story
>>738570130If you are who I think you are, I'd like to see a green of that one Ceroba/Anon idea, of an anon replacing Clover in the events of UTY, somehow having gotten into a relationship with Clover, giving up his soul at the end of his journey, and then reuniting with Ceroba after being resurrected after UT's pacifist ending.
I think maybe my views on meta fiction come from my broader desire to feel empowered by fiction. I think the idea of being so far above and uncontrolled by the story while still being a part of it appeals to that. This has given me a lot to think about for my own writing.
>>738568581>I dislike the game acting like it really exists somewhere out in the universe and that its just using my computer as a conduit to communicate with meWhat the hell do you think Deltarune is doing? What do you think the DEVICE is?
>>738570269Ive done a bunch, some roba anon, martlet anon, some that dont involve anon at all, a few momlet, a momroba, chujin stuff. uhhh, shit anon, ive done a variety. Luzma and bedo too i guess
>>738570834Well, glad you got something out of all this.As for me, I've lost time on working on stuff, and on drawing my husbando, a loss from which I will never recover.
>>738570936Wait, you're not the Librarby anon, are you?
>>738570735>flash gorgonThats funny
>>738571015I yam
>>738571191Ah, yes, good.Well, I did already submit an idea, so I suppose any others will have to wait.There is one other idea I've had bouncing around my skull for a while recently, but I'll hold onto it for next time so as not to request too much of you.
>>738570842>What the hell do you think Deltarune is doing? Being a fictional world which is made real through my interaction with it. >What do you think the DEVICE is?The mechanism by which the characters within the fictional world of the game are to see and interact with the real world. Ultimately all they can do is see us and respond in their world, they can never truly affect the real world beyond what they convince us to do.
Cooking With Kindness released a trailer, and is releasing a demo on the 16th https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr0z0fZRfmoThe trailer is dampering my excitement though. Look at the designs in the animated segment and listen to that voice work. Very tumblr, and not in a good way.
>>738571272Im curious, but i appreciate the consideration honestly. Ill find it out next time of course.
>>738571759Of course, you do great work, and I don't want to overwhelm you.
>>738571642I was already skeptical because games with black female protagonists tend to be that way. Well, it's not just that but when they're made "conventionally unattractive." Fanmade depictions of Integrity as black tend to look better since she's a ballet dancer and is usually designed to look pretty. The metrosexual moth isn't easing my concerns either.
>>738571908I liked him before the trannie voice. I can only hope the game is still good. The gameplay portions looked nice.
>>738571642>Very tumblr, and not in a good way.What were you expecting?
>>738573347NTA, but is that a fuckin' bara bondage/leather fetish shark monster?
>>738573347I'd never seen this picture before
>>738572747Sailor Stupider
>>738573347Okay, look on the bright side.If this comes out, no one will ever talk shit about UTY's monster designs literally ever again.
>>738566249>>738566423finally getting free for a moment, I'm really curious where martlet is going to go with things from here in your story. I wonder out loud here, if there can be reconciliation, and then there's her knowledge of the alternate times, with possibly the very first timeline she's come to learn about the tape, and her reaction to that .I think the key to handling an issue like characters learning the truth of timelines, or what a character has been through, is it can't be all at once, can't be some great suddenly info dump. The whole "watching the anime" perspective you mentioned, I didn't realize that was as common, as I'd only spotted it a few times, and found it awful.
>>738561063>mods will sometimes delete GENERAL threadsYeah, fuck off shitfucks. You already have your UNDER TALE/DELTA TROON FANGAME GENERAL over on >>>/vrpg/ that has THOUSANDS OF FUCKING POSTSThe jannies honestly aren't doing enough to you retards. Undertale/Deltarune threads should be delete-on-sight at this point.
>>738573657Took your time on this one, huh?You'll never be a real janny if you're slacking this hard.
>>738573347Wait, why would a monster have top surgery scars like that, wouldn't those go away with healing magic?
>>738573347The yuri curse strikes again
>>738573783Maybe it kept them just to virtue signal.
>>738573858Maybe for an out-of-universe explanation.Also, seriously, why's the shark dressed like that?Is the game just gonna be filled with really provocatively dressed anthro monsters?Because honestly, maybe that could save this.
>>738573626but I've been thinking on ways to try and tackle it myself one day, and I still think it would need to be gradual revelations, or piece by piece in any case. I think of a post pacifist scenario, if Clover was living with Martlet, or even just spending a significant amount of time, say that the tip of the iceberg was revealed, maybe you could bullshit that alphys had found strange discrepancies in clovers soul when she experimented on it, which brings up issues of its own, but I imagine the more Martlet learned, the more she'd try and get Clover to address it, both the parts where he was a victim, and where he did wrong.I don't know, I just think that Martlet has a strong sense of justice, and seeing the whole picture, in a timeline where Clover, the people that hurt clover, and the people that clover hurt, are all now ok, she'd want to address this, guiding him on where he went wrong, and where he was also wronged.(for the record, not trying to get into the redemption argument, this at least, is talking from a pacifist timeline).I don't know, I want to write something to address it in some way, but I'd probably have to do it poorly before I managed to figure out how to make it work.
>>738573347>top surgery scar bondage sharkI have lost all interest in this project. That's to the level of parody at this point. I'll probably give the demo a shot but expectations are low.
>>738573549she's trying her best to fight, for what's right!even if she is a bit dumb.
>>738573347Hey buddy, I think you got the fangame. Undertail's two blocks down.
It can't be described just how lucky we are to have our own little corner. In other communities like Starsector, moralfagging and drama gutted fan-driven works.
>>738575045I had some fun with starsector a while back. Really caught me off guard when I checked a thread for the first time in years and saw a total shitshow.I mean we have shitshows here and there but it was just another level.I'm really glad that the creative energy is still around.
>>738575045How exactly are people moralfagging over Starsector?I'm genuinely curious, how could they possibly be that bad?
Ey, the hat variant of that Reynault image I made just got approved after like two weeks, nice.
>>738575225From what I know, someone a long time ago made a mod called Rapesector where you could capture anime girl captains and rape them, and this caused the community to infight since outside of rape it added a lot mechanically and was fairly popular. The usual suspects went into overdrive policing people where they could, and prominent modders secretly spliced in code to intentionally brick your game if it detected Rapesector (to my knowledge this is illegal as it is malware by definition).
>>738557634you can't spare anyone so far so
>>738575460Huh.So why didn't someone just take the good bits of the mod and just make a version of the mod without the rape?
>>738564948
>>738575506Beats me, I never played Starsector and know about this from a friend who's bemoaned what the community has devolved into.
>>738573347this makes me feel ashamed of being gay
>>738575737What?
>>738575891I don't like seeing porn ever time I come to these threads, I just come to discuss fangames :(
>>738575990Oh, it's you.Well, tough shit, just ignore it.
>>738575183What makes those threads a shitshow?
>>738575990If you opened the obvious porn catbox link then that's on you.
>>738575990you're lucky i have to sleep.
>>738576262Just leave him, anon. Please. I don't think we can handle any more of the dark products of your twisted mind.
>>738576262Don't listen to that other anon, hit him with everything you've got.Make the greens of the early days look like jokes.
>>738576262there should be an option where Cole eats her alive while everyone looks in horror
>>738576606something like this https://youtu.be/x6DiPvo0zOY?is=yXdVGWkJjUWjghNi
>>738576606You do know she's a waffle maker darkner, and not a waffle darkner, right? She's made of metal.
>>738576669That's why it would be so horrifying.You'd be scared too if you saw a man ravenously consume a waffle maker without stopping.
>>738576669oh that's lame for her design
>>738576606>>738576668>cole alt route>its kanako encouraging cole to give into his weirdass human side
>>738576762does cole have a moss equivalent
>>738576801gunpowder, duh.
>>738576823oh right, he's Clover's "counterpart"
>>738576823Fun fact, British soldiers used to get high by putting cordite (British gunpowder substitute) in their tea, and to this day africans will mix gunpowder with cocaine to make a drug called brownbrown. Cole may have a chemical addition to gunpowder
is it me or it's always the same 5 fangames discussed here, which all are Yellow/Soul adjacent
>>738576948we're waiting for another to be worth discussing.
>>738576984there's one but you might not like the answer
>>738576948How do you make an Undertale fangame without souls?
>>738577051is it actually complete?
>>738577051nta but I wanna know which one you mean
>>738577101It's gonna be Deltatraveler, he's gonna talk about Deltatraveler.
>>738577101alright https://gamejolt.com/games/Swapfeller/778349
>>738577138technically, it was going to have a UTY section
>>738577164>swapfellthats not even remotely close to being something thats worth talking about.
>>738577060I meant not a prequel
>>738577164What's it about?
>>738577164Well, the art looks neat, but is there any actual game to this?Gamejolt's UI kinda sucks, so I couldn't find any.
>>738566249>>738566423Cast finds out is something that I also wanted to write into my own fic but after all said and done I'm not sure if I did that good of a job with things Shattered gold but I'll keep on writing until I finish it. I'm always thankful for the feedback Partners anon even if I'm a bull-headed idiot.
>>738577232Well how do you make a sequel to Undertale? The story is pretty book ended by the pacfist and genocide endings. Eiher all the problems are solved or you blow up the universe. I guess you could make something with the neutral endings, but the only thing I can think of that did that was Horrortale, and I don't know if that has any actual fangames.
>>738577294there's only a demo with the ruins section >>738577274the protagonist called Rik has to go to the surface because in this world Monsters won the war and trapped humans underground oh also Asriel is dead because Toriel ate her
>>738577294It has a demo at the top of the page
>>738577340I didn't meant a sequel either, just something original that doesn't involve the 6 fallen kids
>>738577370>oh also Asriel is dead because Toriel ate herOkay, great.Wait, "her"?
>>738577370>oh also Asriel is dead because Toriel ate herLike Chronos? Also "her"?Anyways, the art looks weird, what's the deal with that?
>>738577413>>738577467meant "him" but yeah it's very inspired by OFF, that's why it looks weird
Every once in a while I remember that time some artist made a penis size chart for the various UT/UTY males, and it included Asriel twice because the artist apparently likes the idea of Asriel's dick going from being like seven inches long to 0.8 inches long.And I think that might be the worst thing anyone's ever depicted happening to him.
>>738577526That actually sounds pretty cool. Is it any good? How are the characters? Is Rik a based autist like The Batter?
>>738577164>>738577370One of the humans is wearing a cross. Are they Christians in this setting?
>>738577541Was it for like child Asriel and Hyperdeath, or did he just lose it in an unfortunate smelting accident?
>>738577526Oh, okay, fuck.That typo had us going for a sec man, gotta watch that next time.
>>738577590you could say that>>738577582he's very different from him, doesn't talk at allthe ost is completed though
>>738577398Well there is Fountaintale, but it doesn't get many updates. And I suppose I really should be working more on Oldentale.
>>738577685>you could say thatYou say that like there's a lot more than just that. What is it?
>>738577620Nope, just normal adult Asriel apparently.Also, I got the numbers a bit wrong, because apparently there are multiple of these, so Asriel actually went from being 12.3 inches long to 1.7 inches.The chart just describes the shorter one as being "post-shrinkage", with no elaboration whatsoever.I can't imagine what could've done that to him, but that's the scariest thing I've ever heard of in my life.
>>738577760>I can't imagine what could've done that to him,I'm telling you, man. Unfortunate smelting accident.
>>738577747the best way to know it is to experience it yourself, it's quite weird already
>>738577060It could be about a human that wasn't accounted for that fell into a deeper part of the underground, and completely disconnected from the rest. So Asgore and no one else from the main path were even aware.>>738577340There is a fangame called "Brave Heart" which is about a orange human (not the original bravery one) falling into the underground after the Empress Undyne ending.
>>738577760Souls are like steroids and Asriel almost overdosed on souls becoming the God of Hyperdeath, hence the extreme shrinkage
>>738577847Is the game funny. Because I won't play it if it isn't.
>>738577760>I can't imagine what could've done that to him, but that's the scariest thing I've ever heard of in my life.It was the cold water, just like what happened in that Seinfeld episode.>>738577847I'll play it and see.
>>738577896it has some jokes here and there but it's OFF adjacent so you know what you are getting into
>>738577189When are we getting Deltaswapfell Yellow?
>>738577875Man, giving up the souls made Asriel perma-flaccid?Damn, that makes him giving up the souls way more meaningful, he had to give up so much more on top of that.
>>738577953I think OFF is really funny in places. Different kind of humor, but it is hilarious. Though most of that humor comes from the Batter being a single minded sociopath and the rest is the bosses being psychos.
>>738577994He probably didn't even have a dick as a flower, just stamens. So it was still a net profit for him.
>>738577869>It could be about a human that wasn't accounted for that fell into a deeper part of the underground, and completely disconnected from the rest. So Asgore and no one else from the main path were even aware.So what would this part of the underground be like? If the barrier broke would they even know?
>>738578074Is walking around with a permanent 2> inch dick really a net gain?
someone should upload UTN to Gamejolt so YouTubers play it
>>738578118He had nothing before. Though wait a minute, he's goes back to being Flowey pretty quickly. So I guess he just went back to nothing at all when that happened.
>>738578104The abyss, which would be like the deep sea in a way
>>738578157Naranjanon said he will do it himself when he makes a more substantial demo, just be patient
>>738578157I think Naranjanon said he's waiting until he's got a full demo finished before he posts it publicly. We just got to play the beta early.
>>738578165Ok, well what does that mean. Is it full of water? Is the deep sea stuff more metaphorical?
>>738578161Well, not in that particular artist's AU he didn't.Honestly, being a flower is probably a kindness compared to that.
>>738578236>Is the deep sea stuff more metaphorical?Yes it is just a vibe, but it could be in waterfall's depths though not 100% underwater
>>738578313What kind of culture would exist there? Do they speak with a Rock Bottom accent?
>>738573347>That sharkI have the feeling even the kindest Naranja/Oldentale character would avoid these fags, and I'm saying this as someone who isn't even straight
>>738573347>bdsm shark with top scarsYou know, I'm baffled by the audacity more than anything. Not sure what that bird thing is, either.
>>738578917dark woke
>>738573816>"Hey Jimmy, give me an Undertale fangame with nothing!"
>>738578917>>738579141The moth is trans as well, you literally can't have an straight human x monster pairing in this fandom, I fear for what will happen with Val and any other main character with a confirmed gender
>>738579141The bird is a skeleton and i think he's just a regular faggot
>>738579190So are you saying our fangames are string cheese or that one is?
>>738579291So is the moth ftm or just not even trying to pass?
>>738578917The bird looks like he's really unhappy to be there, like maybe his friends dragged him off to the pride parade against his will. So he might be redeemable, and same for Grillby, he seemed chill in Undertale.
>>738579490>undertale fangame without lesbianshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CccHBlGrOu8
>>738578917I was thinking about adding a really fruity flamingo as a gag character, but this is making me reconsider.
>>738579786No matter how fruity you would've made him, it could never have beaten that image.
>>738579291so you complain about a character being trans yet like human x Monster pairings? You are very odd>>738579490pizza with nothing
>>738579823Yeah, still unsure about it though since I worry closeted fag jokes would feel out of place in the setting (not to mention they'd go over like a lead balloon anywhere outside of here). I'm also just not too attached to the idea. I mainly just the idea from thinking Mingo would be a good name for a flamingo, and then thinking a flamingo would make for a really fruity monster.
>>738579946Maybe it'd work if you handled it like Donut, but then you're just doing Donut at that point.
>>738579946just don't make him explicitly queer
>>738579920>pizza with nothingThat's string cheese. Didn't you watch the commercial?>so you complain about a character being trans yet like human x Monster pairings? Nta,but I'm not seeing the contradiction here.
>>738580008humans should not be paired with different species
>>738579992Who's donut?>>738580006I was thinking that his gag was that he was fruity as hell, but vehemently denied being at all effeminate or gay. That idea I specifically got from this old guy I knew who was very obviously gay, but because he was old fashioned and religious he was in complete denial about it. Like I said all of this is really iffy to me.
>>738579527I don't know, I think it is a ftm, making the main pairing Yuri, again
>>738580056Why not?
>>738580134>Who's donut?A character from the popular webseries Red vs. Blue.He wears lightish-red armor, and is most definitely not gay.
>>738580146But wouldn't the carpet muncher flag be invalidating xir's gender identity then?
>>738580159it's quite disgusting, one of the reasons I hate kanaclover >>738580206I don't understand any of these words
>>738580206That's not the carpet muncher flag, thats the "aroace" flag, which usually means the person is straight but wants to be seen as more special since I've seen "aroace" people in relationships
>>738579946Make him seem really fruity but he turns out to be straight, but it's up to you. If he's just stereotypically closeted it wouldn't be as funny.>>738580056It's been popular for at least as long as Star Trek has been around, and that influenced fandoms the world over. Now that's an appeal to popularity, but HMOFA even when portrayed as a forbidden romance has long been beloved.
>>738580146What an odd thing to say
We've spent too long entertaining the sharty lately.
>>738580281fuck HMOFA
>>738580326what does basedjak party have to do with anything
>>738580281>It's been popular for at least as long as Star Trek has been around,It predates star trek by a few decades in science fiction. And if we want to talk about fantasy, humans fucked monsters all the time in mythology. Hell Kanako is a kitsune, their most defining trait is seducing human men. >Make him seem really fruity but he turns out to be straight, but it's up to you. He's meant to just be a background npc. I may just make him fruity but not do any more than that. At most have a gag where the player mistakes him for a woman and he gets upset.
>>738580345Well that is the best way to fuck, so I'm inclined to agree.
>>738580267I don't deny the importance of disgust in moral distinction, but people have disgust for different things and for different reasons. If you can't rationalize why people may accept HMOFA while being disgusted by troon crap, it's not worth discussing any of this with you.>>738580376They're a bunch of hypocritical moralfaggots grooming kids into being an obnoxious personal army. Everyone who's smart bans them on site, because they're the sort to send cheese pizza or threaten to dig up graves over opinions they don't like. If you're from there, go back because we don't want you here.
>>738575460holy fuck I am dead how is this even real
>>738579786I have an idea for a character in a one sided rivalry, he thinks about his rival so often and in such a way it makes you think there's more than just hate going on with him. His rival is unaware of this, he doesn't even see him as a rival, just as a very competitive friend.
>>738580634the sharty only doxxes pedophiles and rapists, you've been misinformed
>>738580897also that grave digging was based, chibi is a cuck lolicon
Reminder that Kanako is in hell and wishes for a death that will never come, and Ceroba gave up on ever finding her
>>738581052what is this from
>>738581097Some anon made those sprites years ago, I think they were meant for an extended UTY ending where Clover saves Kanako
Well, this was a decent thread for a while.I'm gonna go imagine burying my face in Reynault's chest fur as I fall asleep, goodnight everybody.
>>738581213that's so gay but goodbye
>>738581213As always, rest well anon.
>>738581257I'm so gay.
>>738581291Thank you, you as well.
>>738573967>Is the game just gonna be filled with really provocatively dressed anthro monsters?if they are dressed like that I'm not interested
>>738581308can we make out
>>738575460What makes it even funnier is that the developers changed the official forum rules to prohibit any mod that deliberately corrupts save data as a result of the kerfuffle, which caused a bunch of the retards who were doing that to throw a melty and move their mods to Discord. Rapesector was entirely unaffected by the shitstorm because it wasn't malware and it obviously wasn't on the forums in the first place.>>738575506The mod was originally a fork of Take No Prisoners, which lets you capture/ransom enemy leaders like Mount and Blade. The guy who made that deleted it from the forums when he flipped his shit over the rule change (which meant that for a while the only way to get that feature in the game was to install Rapesector and just not click the options to rape people) but now there's another fork maintained by someone else.>>738580728I watched the whole mess unfold live, shit was hilarious.
to me Yellow feels more like a prequel and more like a random fangame with UT elements
>>738581724*less like a prequel dammit
>>738581724>>738581761how would you make an Undertale prequel?
>>738581781Naranja is a good example
>>738582276I don't see exactly what makes UTN a better prequel than UTY, they both take place on the past and have OCs
>>738582384visually looks like UT and has a fighting system that fits Bravery more than the bullet shit
>>738582462I guess have low production values can be seen as a good thing in UT fangames, as for the fighting system, I can forgive it for being made by kids and being the first prequel, if UTY were made today I'm sure they'd have made a different fighting mechanic, probably something like a rail shooter where you have to aim your shots.
>>738582618this and Val is a better protagonist because his only answer is Violence Valioence
>>738582701Val can still end fights non-violently, well actually no, he slaps them, but he has the option to not kill them and he doesn't fight monsters that flee from him
>>738582797weird, couldn't figure out how to do it on my run
>>738583096you're meant to lower the monsters health until their name turns yellow and then hit them with the "wake up slap", it's the only way to spare monsters in Naranja
>>738583242interesting, it's like a reverse betrayal kill
>>738583330it's like sparing in Undertale, expect the spare comes in the form of a slap instead of being some kind of spell Frisk can use, even when Val spares others he's still an asshole about it
>>738583424he's like kid Goku if he never hit his head
>>738575460A rape mod so powerful it mindraped its own community. What a shitshow, wish I was there with popcorn.
Deltarape
>>738585962That's just the weird route
>>738586129Nope, it snew
>>738555813Depends entirely on what they're claiming to "fix"mikefags need not apply
>>738586305Why?
>>738565530>I think you're just posting in bad faith because you don't want any discussion to happen here at all.I want you specifically to kill yourself for this pathetic behavior
>>738567520Take the victim complex and shove it up your ass
>>738569886It's been happening the last five months and every time anyone criticizes these two jokers taking up half the post count, at least one of them throws a fit and starts crying about drawfags/writefags/devanons/people that actually matter
>>738576705Queen is a rather mundane laptop in the light world
>>738579291>I fear for what will happen with Val and any other main character with a confirmed genderKanaclover has begun to eclipse all the others, so I think that's just paranoia on your end
>>738586438Because they're mikefags and they're inherently retarded.
>>738588143it was a joke on how the "lesbian curse" seems to apply even to fangames
We need DRY1 lings
>>738589082Well? What are you waiting for anon?
>>738589082the fuck's a ling
>>738589249pic related is a noeling, you can figure out the rest
>>738588285Tenna, this is exactly why your gameshow failed
>>738588319Oooh scary lesbians
>>738589665less scary and more annoying and poorly written
>>738589752what's a goodly written lesbian
>>738589868>inb4 a dead one
Sex with Fem Clover.Honestly finding images of her like this one feels like finding the holy grail.
>>738590004that's not John Justice
>>738590004that looks like Chara doing a cosplay and not a female Clover
>>738590018That's Jane Justice.>>738590145I don't think she looks like Chara in that but okay.
>>738590004>toothgapI'm irritated but damn does the artist know what people are here for
>>738590191cocoapowder is mid
>>738589868I don't know, I've never seen one
>>738590004Proportionally Clover has much less lewd images than Chara and Frisk
>>738589413/doe/ calls them spuds
the platform section in UTN reminds me of Meat Boy, is it a coincidence?
>>738590004This but alluding femhumans and damn, that's really rare indeed.
>>738593074>alluding*all
>>738592860Originally you were meant to have a dash that worked like the one from Megaman X, I figured that would be too annoying for people thar aren't used to X dashes so I replaced it with a sprint, so at first it was a coincidence but I did later use Super Meat Boy as an example to fine tune the sprint mechanic
>>738589082Adult Sadie, my beloved...
>>738587701>2 peopleThats cute>complains about xfagsMore like someone claiming to be a drawfag complained, then when silent when people wanted to talk about what the 'drawfag' was into.You're not slick pardner.
>>738594670she won't make it to adulthood
>>738593074I know right? Hopefully she'll get more art one day.
>>738595127Speaking of it and the kindness OC I just saw a trailer of a fangame of a fem kindness soul that is coming out.https://youtu.be/Fr0z0fZRfmo
>>738595426it was discussed before anon, read the thread
>>738595463I can't read I'm an Undertale fan!
>>738595426>>738595463People here lost nearly all interest on it as soon as they saw this image >>738573347
>>738594676>Thats cuteNta, but It really is the same 2 (rarely 3) people most of the time, that can be easily proven
>>738594676You got me anon, everyone who doesn't kiss your ass is actually the same
>>738593074Don't you have a Deltarune thread to shit up?
>Actually got baited by a stealth UT/DR fangames thread Damn, you guys are getting better at this sort of shit, eh?Anyway, I’d say I’m a fan of them, unless it’s being done more so out of clear disdain for the original material. Something like those fan-made neutral endings for UTY. I get not being a fan of the ending (which is basically 75% of fans outside of Twitter) but I don’t like how some people seem to hate yellow for ‘not being like undertale’ or whatever. Especially love the neutral ending for UTY and I wouldn’t want to change it.
>>738595463Sorry but I unironically didn't read the thread lol >>7385961614chan is a public forum, don't you have anything better to do?
>>738595426The protagonist is cute in sprite form :)
>>738596373Honestly I kinda wish I didn't see that tumblr picture because I found her cute, too.
>>738596320I think the neutral ending is lame because it just loops and it isn't a real ending.I'd be fine with it if it was something like you get at 10+ LV instead of all the time just because you stepped on a micro froggit 5 hours ago. Make the neutral path just lead into New Home and the Asgore fight, just without Roba beforehand.
>>738596320 (me) Not to say I ain’t a fan of the idea of a alt neutral route where you do fight asgore (a la shades of justice) but to completely disregard the flowery ending is just lame, I feel
>>738596476What you said is basically just proving what I feel, honestly. I like that it tried something different than playing it straight.
>>738589868I heard Signalis was good.>>738594676Great art, thanks for sharing.>>738596320The neutral route is what sold me on UTY since it is frankly incredible. Only thing I would change would be a "where are they now" type of epilogue depending on your actions, like in Undertale.
>>738596320So you admit these threads are only for Yellow shit?
>>738596680Nta, neutral ending is cool but it's really anticlimatic it doesn't feel like a proper ending, Flowey tells you to fuck off and try another route
>>738596067No one taking part in the on topic arguments and discussions is looking for that. You are not slick.
>>738596320Neutral ending is really cool. I only want to "change it" in that i feel like it should have maybe a few more variations based on LV. EVERY neutral playing out the same isnt unreasonable with how much effort it takes, but I feel like a high LV neutral could have been made unique somehow
Sex
>>738594676>>738597079Dude, like a full day later you're still complaining that they were a fake artist and that they said it was annoying, even assuming they came back they'd probably just leave again.
>>738597538Okay, I was with you until now but now you're clearly bullshitting, you weren't drawing anything when you made that post
>>738597079What are you talking about? I'm totally your boogieman, anon.
>>738597697>um actually you're the drawfag and you didn't give me a drawing so i winI get like, people making fangames or people that like deltarune can be autistic but holy shit
>>738595426>>738573347I guess this fangame won't be talked much here once it releases
>>738597697Yeah, im gonna leave it be on my side of things, specially since I wasnt even involved in the argument yesterday, but this guy just strikes me as a bullshitter "ohhh think of the imaginary artist!"I am sorry for even taking up some posts to respond to it.I do get that not everyone likes those arguments, but this guy is a joker
>>738598605I mean, hell if the gameplay is good and the characters arent depicted like that in game, I'll give it a fair shot to judge its merits, but i dont have any faith at this point
>>738598743>Inb4 one of the monsters talks about the struggles of being trans in the opressive (pre 201X) monster society
>>738598851God damn that would be a nail in the coffin right there, and the kind of tonedeaf thing i can almost see happening
>>738577060Personally I'm a fan of "game within the game", the Underground is big, literally just slap the beginning of the game somewhere in Waterfall or Hotland but block the canon path and make Frisk take a shortcut, then suddenly you're in an entirely new area, the game ends when you finally make it back onto the main path.
>>738597697>>738598647>trying this hardGet a room>>738598851>>738599326Oh goodness, no>>738598851
>>738599326One part of me wants the game to be good and all the pride shit to not be present in it, another part wants this game to be a The Frontier mod level shitshow full of tonedeaf moments and out of place political commentary
>>738600251I kind of get what you mean. seeing just how much of a mess it COULD be is definitely a curiosity.I mean hell, I don't really have an issue with gay positive themes in a game, undertale itself had plenty, but to some extent, it's more tactful than "top scar bondage shark"
>>738600380I mean, I'm bisexual myself, I just heavily dislike all pride shit, Undertale has gay characters and such, but no one in game makes a huge deal about them so it's fine, also Toby has never made an official image of all his characters with pride flags
>>738597202what
>>738600621I imagine then, it must feel patronizing seeing images like that one.But yeah I get what you're saying. Toby has always been very gay positive, ever since even when he was doing romhacks, but he's also someone who comes across as at least trying to be sincere.
>>738600674A cat is fine too
>>738600850what's the fangame
>>738600886Lost Deltarune, it is on gamejolt. It is very creepypasta-ish.
>>738600932ohwhat did you meant by "a cat is fine to"? Care to explain?
>>738601010it's an old old meme about fucking a cat. Circa early 2000's
>>738601059yeah you are a fucking weirdo
>>738601359Right. Anyways A bird and a fox and an armadillo and a wisp and a slime and another fox and a goat are all fine too.I'm sure I'm missing some that are also fine, too.
>>738601802A rock, a snake and a sourdough starter are fine too
>>738601954Ah yes, those are great examples of fine too.
Sex with Fem Clover again at the end.
>>738600837I just dislike this whole identity stuff you see on Twitter and Tumblr in general, it feels like something those users use as a replacement for personality, focusing so much on their sexuality, race or their neurodivergences, like a competion of who has more of those traits or who has the most "valuable" ones, but in the case of pride garbage I especially dislike it because of the stuff that goes on in the pride parades, the kind of thing that would make me extremely homphobic if I were straight
>>738601802>>738601954I'm confused
is there anything good of op itt not worth reading right
>>738601802I can't look at this picture without getting reminded that it was commissioned by a guy with a hair fetish
>>738580790So, like Berdly then.
>>738602286Honestly that whole "replacement for a personality" thing in general is rampant these days. It's always existed to some extent, but with the modern internet, It's pretty bad. It's to the extent that people actively stop developing as people and latch onto these concepts as replacements for a sense of self.>I especially dislike it because of the stuff that goes on in the pride parades, the kind of thing that would make me extremely homphobic if I were straightI genuinely have a hard time comprehending it some times. These are people that lack any sense of temperance.
>>738602479always bet on Kerdly >>738602419finding a normal UTY fan is harder than a needle on a haystack
>>738602419>DUUUUDE MEN ARE SO DISGUSTING OMG THEY LIKE HAIR NOT ARMPIT HAIR BUT HAIR ON THE HEAD OMGGG
>>738602419that one hair fetish image is weird, yeah, but it's not bad enough to ruin my enjoyment of that roba image.
>>738602307They are saying people want to fuck those fangame characters, foxes (Ceroba, Reynult), Bird (Martlet, Racter) Armadillo (Dina) wisp (Luzma) slime (Bedo) goat (Wiki) rock (Zaer) snake (Quetzali) and sourdough starter (Pastra)
>>738602419Giant's Playground (the guy who made Order of the Stick) probably had a hair fetish too.
>>738598851>instead of a date your post-fight side event for the character is to steal HRT drugs from the local pharmacy
>>738602602this reminds me of the times flowey possessed the skeletons
>>738602598No anon, you don't get, an hair feitsh doesn't mean that you just think hair is pretty, it means you want to wrap their hair around your dick and use it as a onahole
>>738602609I barely know any of these, probably because the games aren't out yet or something
>>738602785Zaer, Quetzali and Pastra appear on Undertale Naranja's demo, the other are from Oldentale which hasn't released yet
>>738602658
>>738582252weird artstyle, but still cute
>>738602959Pastra like the YouTuber?
>>738583330I think of it like those slap boxing videos where someone gets slapped so hard they're knocked out cold. I know that's not what it is, but it should be.
>>738584148Kid Goku was an asshole too.
>>738603217Her name is Pastra because she's made of sourdough starter, which can be used to make pasta
>>738587701You're complaining about more than two people. Even in this thread those were at least 3 people, maybe more.
>>738603308yeah but he spared some people like Yamcha and Oolong (after wrecking their shit of course)
>>738602609Pastra my love...
>>738603415When I see her I can only imagine what a pizza made of her 1000+ years old dough would taste like
>>738603625faintly tangy undertones.
