>escapism is....LE BAD!!!
It is tho.
Sorry OP but we've been through this song and dance already with FF Tactics and escapism fags already got btfo.
>>738561460It's different here since you're genociding an actual world though
Yes.
>>738561586>actual worldlol no.
>>738561292>>738561460>>738561674What are you doing here? Why do you play vydas?Most of the things you do is escapism, you fags just don't have the balls to admit it
>>738561773You do realize that it's possible to indulge in escapism in moderation and not be a self destructive retard like Maelle?
>>738561773A hobby becomes escapism when you can't live without it, when you numb yourself to reality just to avoid thinking about it. And the moment reality rushes back in, it’s agonizing
>>738561752yeah they are killing them for the sake of maelle is just a terrible thing to do
>>738562025the french aren't people and even if they were it's a not real world inside of an already not real world
>>738561586>genociding an actual world thoughAn actual world, which a skilled Painter can apparently create in a couple days, and which they create/destroy all the timeEnough Painters exist for there to need an entire Guild for themIn the fiction of that universe, thousands of civilizations are created and destroyed every single yearThey are Sims, and nobody cares when they are given a swimming pool and you remove the ladders
>>738562112they're not the sims. They have entire lives and thoughts, they can discuss philosophy and set long term goals. They can reproduce independantly of the painter's will. >thousands of civilizations are created and destroyed every single yearBy that logic, it's fine to kill people since thousands are born every day
>>738562202>They have entire lives and thoughts, they can discuss philosophy and set long term goalsYou sure about that?Or are they just following a rudimentary program that they are Painted to have, like AI?>They can reproduce independantly of the painter's will.You sure about that?The only birth we know about was directly controlled by the Paintress
>>738562202>it's fine to kill people since thousands are born every dayYes, now stop pretending to not understand.
>>738561248>Foot fetish is... LE BAD!!!
>>738562359>Or are they just following a rudimentary program that they are Painted to have, like AI?They're not though. They have diverging opinions, they argue, they think for themselves. Even players are fooled because of how complex and humanlike they are.>You sure about that?Yes? Maelle obviously is a special case but nothing implies the paintress is directly responsible for other births
>>738562202>>738562359>>738562406>>738563289I thought the main issue wasn't just "killing" the people in the painting, it was the fact that Maelle would just wither away in the painting living this dream world and THEN the father and the sister would just destroy the painting anyways because they now hate it and know it's a death trap. Even if you choose to stay in the painting, those people are doomed anyways.At most, you are just delaying the inevitable and they'll just all be wiped out anyways.If Maelle survives, she gets to learn all the lessons and skills she got during her second life in the painting and can, eventually, make her own painting in the future and get all the peope back in her own way.
>>738564424They'd have no reason to destroy it if Maelle and the mother didn't just commit suicide by escapism. They wouldn't really have a reason to destroy it if those two died, except out of spite>make her own painting in the future and get all the peope back in her own way.Those wouldn't be the same. They'd be copy based on memories. Just like renoir and painted renoir
>>738562858without toerings it is indeed trash.
Enter nihilistic chads. Why is escapism bad. Nothing matters. Im not hurting anyone by indulging in escapism anyway what you faggots gonna do? Stop me lol im doing it right now lol what you cant stop me LOL AHAHAHA
>>738564986I'm also a nihilist, but it is my whim to drag you forcibly out and make you eat your broccoli.
>>738561248Discount FFT Advance
>>738566876how can it be discount when it's better in every single aspect
>>738564986>>738566865You're a nihilist and you're arguing with people on 4chan?
>>738561248Not in my ending
verso's ending is the best because people inside the painting are real and it results in the biggest number of dead fr*nch
>>738568049Why not?>it's pointlessWell so is everything else I do my man
>>738568728>Well so is everything else I do my manThen why are you doing it
>>738568815I felt like it?>whyBecause I'm a mass of hormones and memories, I do it because I was always going to.
>generic music>nonsensical plot>uninspired gameplay, nothing more modern than what was already in generation 5 JRPG's.This game's high priase is proof that people have been avoiding JRPG's for decades purely because they have anime artwork in them.Absolutely pathetic.
>committing suicide is good actually
>>738569830It's based if you take a bunch of people down with you
>>738569862>Verso allahu akbar'd the painting
>>738569643name jrpgs are good as this one please
>>738569830I love how fucking done lune looks if you pick her ending
>>738569972Not him but gameplaywise literally anything is better than QTE: the game. I disagree with the music and plot though.>>738569643>purely because they have anime artwork in themThe artwork is part of the problem, but most JRPGs have cringe writing made for Japanese teens with ADHD and a single line of dialogue from a trailer can be enough to discourage anyone else from trying them. As opposed to E33 which is written for pretentious western adults where the dialogue and plot could as well be from a Netflix original which is much more palatable to the general public.
>>738570167>anything is better than QTE: the gamebut people loved sekiro
>>738570526You mean every single Fromsoft game?
>>738570526Sekiro is better because it's real time and I say that as someone who doesn't even like it all that much. A real time game with parries means that an enemy can try to fake you out with an attack, you might get surrounded by multiple enemies, you might be caught in the recovery animation of a move unable to parry and so on. So it's not as binary as: see attack, press button. In E33 enemies will announce their attacks by name, and outside of certain parts of the newest DLC that specific attack will always be the same and there's nothing distracting you from that attack. After you learn how to dodge an attack once (because it's much easier than parrying, parrying is unnecessary for most of the game) you'll never be hit by that attack ever again. Meaning the best builds for most of the game are glass cannon builds and you should aim for never getting hit. Late game the best builds are ones where you prevent your enemy from ever taking a turn which are also not fun.
the point was grief can poison and kill youand the person your mourning wouldn't want to be remembered by you like thatI recently put down my dog of over ten years. He was sick but he was my best friend. I killed something I loved, and I have nightmares where he's alive and I know what I've done.
anyone who doesnt think maelle ending is the best ending doesnt understand philosophy and isnt very smart
>>738570886You didn't kill them; you weren't involved in the decision of whether your dog was mortal or not. That's some misplaced guilt, when you should just be sad.
look up the experience machine.if you wouldnt say yes to being in the machine you are retarded
>>738571480Get in the machine, I'll be out here holding your power chord
>>738571141>the woman option
>>738564424>you're going to die anyway, so why not just kill yourself nowSound logic there.
>>738569830Verso has got to be one of the most morally bankrupt characters in vidya of all time and faggots here worship him because he's a le handsome Vergil expy.
What's le bad is the over representation of brown people from a "White" company.
>>738561248If anything it's a cautionary tale about fan fiction. Maelle's whole life is going to be escapism either way. She can die in Renoir's painting sooner or die in one of her own paintings later. Probably before her parents even.Like, you can be a writer for your own enjoyment, just don't write Fallout: Equestria - Project Horizons. Putting all your energy in someone else' IP really fucks you over.
>>738561248>>738561773Drugs are bad, vidya isnt drugs
>>738571882you didn't play the game
>>738571254grief is grief, anoni can't help how i feeli loved him so much
>>738561586I didn't do a genocide. Renoir already did it. Lune and Sciel were the only people left in the world. How are they gonna reproduce, get dicked down by Monoco and his doll people? Bitches are mad that Verso wouldn't save an already dead world.
>>738571578>reducing a philosophical thought experiment to this particular medias application of using a womanwhats life like on the left side of the bell curve?
>>738571774hes a little kid soul put into a grown ass man, forced to see fucked up shit for 70 years straight. why would you think he is anything but broken and tired. anyone siding with maelle is a mentally ill spiritual woman.
>>738572539>hes a little kid soul put into a grown ass manNo he's not, pVerso has nothing do with Verso's soul fragment. He's just made from Aline's memories.
>>738561985You're describing addiction.All addiction is escapism but not all escapism is addiction.You are incredibly dumb for not understanding this btw.
>>738561586Not quite. The world was already genocided and the people in it can't be brought back. Might as well let go at that point.
>>738572649It's a neat bit of perspective play the only women who aren't insanely fucked up were born in teenage Verso's imagination.
>>738572431>world salad to justify the fact that you enabled a 14 year old girl and her addictionbased midwit larping as high IQ
>>738561248>be a literal godlike entity, able to create a literal world full of sentient humanbeings, each one has their own personality and free will>have the ability to enter the world and have overpowered world-editing abilities>"Erm, this is escapism"It fucking isn't, it's clearly more real than whatever little farts of lore they gave about the "real world" in that universe
>>738570021Its even funnier if you romanced/fucked her too
>>738561248Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story has better combat
>>738573270It's over maelle, time to wake up
>>738561248The painted people are free to fight for the survival. Unfortunately, they lost.
>>738570886Sorry anon, you did the right thing but that doesn't change the pain. Time will heal it, but I won't deny you your grief and healing.
>>738570021an all-time moment in vidya history
>>738573270>erm, it's more real than real life because i can le fly!
>>738573448>>738573729if you could enter any vidya game world where every character was perfectly real, the world was fully realized and "feature perfect" with every science, magic and universal rule applied in a decipherable way, would you think living in it was "escapism"?"Chroma" was basically "source" - a substance of creation, or a piece of "God"Why would this would be escapism?Ultimately, it's still you that's living in the "escapism" so are your experiences somehow cheaper because the world is a manmade creation?Unless staying in the "escapism" had terrible consequences like your real body being in a coma in a hospital, where others had to pay and suffer to keep you alive, I don't see anything wrong with it.People in real world are playing D&D, videogames, watching movies and reading books, yet nobody dares call them escapists, yet a world that's entirely immersive and unobtrusive to the real world is bad?
>>738573905>Unless staying in the "escapism" had terrible consequences like your real body being in a coma in a hospital, where others had to pay and suffer to keep you alive, I don't see anything wrong with it. So you agree Renoir and Verso were right then?
>>738573905Does staying in there drive me insane? Regardless, I'd go in sometimes, have fun, then leave and pursue my life filled with my real family that loves me, whom I will never forget because I also love them. You imagine a perfect fantasy world because you hate your actual life, when the nature of the fantasy was never the point of the game. You feel like you're someone with no attachment to your life, so you'd leave it in a heartbeat. The point was that Aline and Alicia were leaving behind very real lives with families that loved them to cry themselves to death while pretending Verso was still alive.
>>738573905>so are your experiences somehow cheaper because the world is a manmade creation?Yes.The fuck is the point of grieving the loss of a painted friend/father figure when you can just fucking repaint them ad infinitum until your body in the real world gives out to starvation and thirst?
>>738571480I can't say I wouldn't say yes. That doesn't mean that ripping me out and destroying the machine would be wrong.
>>738571480>unironically "omg let x enjoy y" posting
>>738573980If her real form was stuck in a stasis, decaying and forcibly kept in life support, yes, but I don't subscribe to destroying an entire universe of living, breathing and intelligent people>>738574016I don't see why,in Maelle's case, I'd say she went insane from what was done to the painted world rather than because she was living in the painted worldThey did their best to make it unbearable and tormented>>738574020So are your "real life" experiences worthless if "heaven" exists and you retain memories in a new form?
>>738574020This. The problem is making the same world over and over again even though all the people you knew originally are already dead. Nobody ever tells Maelle to stop painting.
So true, xister!
>>738574261>If her real form was stuck in a stasis, decaying and forcibly kept in life support, yesSo yes. Got it.
>>738574261>in Maelle's case, I'd say she went insane from what was done to the painted world rather than because she was living in the painted worldHeadcanon tragically. Aline herself said every day in the canvas has a price. Being in a canvas for too long explicitly drives you crazy, as stated in the game.
>>738573905>Unless staying in the "escapism" had terrible consequences like your real body being in a coma in a hospitalYes.
>>738574261>So are your "real life" experiences worthless if "heaven" exists and you retain memories in a new form?You're mixing up two systemic beliefs in a pisspoor attempt to have something resembling a point.No one that believes in heaven reincarnates. You die, you go to heaven, hell, or if you suck at being either good or bad, stuck in limbo. That's it. That's the end of that.Beliefs like Buddhism where reincarnation is a thing do not adhere to retention of memory. When you die, you reincarnate into a clean slate. You don't keep anything of your past as those would end up affecting your way of life and tarnishing judgment for your next incarnation. That's why it's a common enough occurrence among people of those beliefs to exclaim "I/you must have been x in a past life" rather than something more certain.
>tfw you sacrifice your life for your sister twice and all she does is force you to play piano in her dollhouse forever
>>738574416That is ridiculous considering Maelle's insanity was literally a snap of the fingers,she was "normal" (as far as jrpg style characters go) for like 90% of the game>>738574542You're briniging up other ideologies to divert from the questionHypothetically, if a "fake world" was perfectly immersive, how would you know if you're living in one RIGHT NOW?Would your current experiences mean nothing if you found out this was the case after "death"?If this was the case, would this life suddenly be seen as escapism?There are all kinds of wild theories out there, like the NPC theory (which genuinely feels real alot of the time when dealing with random strangers)Arguably, the people living in the painted world are more human than the people outside of it.
>>738561248
>>738574901>You're briniging up other ideologies to divert from the questionNo.My point is that your argument has no merit because if a "heaven" existed you don't reincarnate therefore every loss you experienced still mattered as you carry those with you in the afterlife, and if you do reincarnate you don't keep those memories at all.>Hypothetically, if a "fake world" was perfectly immersive, how would you know if you're living in one RIGHT NOW?The exact same way the characters in the game learned they were all fakes : exposition through their adventure.>Would your current experiences mean nothing if you found out this was the case after "death"?Yes. My skyrim character dying 5 million times means fuck all in comparison to my one inevitable death.>If this was the case, would this life suddenly be seen as escapism?If this life were artificial and I'd retain memories from respawning or if I can just be remade again, then that means death is meaningless, which could also equate to a meaningless to life.>Arguably, the people living in the painted world are more human than the people outside of it.How the fuck so when the only "real people" you encounter in the game is the PTSD stricken family
>>738561248story didnt matter anyway because nothing was real. absolute pointless game. but I guess you must be high IQ to understand that.
>>738575134>My point is that your argument has no merit because if a "heaven" existed you don't reincarnateThat's just assumptions, how would you know if you were simply an angel bringing your experiences to God and then being sent back in to Earth for experience and learn more? Sure you'd forget, but you'd always remember on your return.>The exact same way the characters in the game learned they were all fakes : exposition through their adventure.Oh yes and even the brightest scientists in their world could not tell, and neither can they in our world - I guess we should all just go on an adventure>Yes. My skyrim character dying 5 million times means fuck all in comparison to my one inevitable death.retard, I'm talking about your EXPERIENCES, not your "life"Have you never felt joy or learned anything from a book, movie, tvshow or a videogame? don't answer, because you have.I guess those were all meaningless to you because they were fake even if the message wasn't>If this life were artificial and I'd retain memories from respawning or if I can just be remade again, then that means death is meaningless, which could also equate to a meaningless to life.if death was meaningless, why would that make experiences meaningless?Is the act of creation or creation itself meaningless to you? >How the fuck so when the only "real people" you encounter in the game is the PTSD stricken familyThe entire premise of the game is bunch of people sacrificing themselves to save their world, their lives and their families."For those who come after"
>>738575513>That's just assumptions, how would you know if you were simply an angel bringing your experiences to God and then being sent back in to Earth for experience and learn more?Because angels are explicitly stated to be something different from humans.
>>738575513>Have you never felt joy or learned anything from a book, movie, tvshow or a videogame? don't answer, because you have.>I guess those were all meaningless to you because they were fake even if the message wasn'tHoly shit you're fucking retarded.I was not a character in the Legend of Zelda, or Lord of the Rings, or Shawshank Redemption. I consumed the media of those things. They're fake as fuck and the enjoyment doesn't come from being a character in them.
>>738575542>I read a sentence in a book that says this is how things work so therefore everything else is not possible even though I cannot prove itAlright then>>738575634You're missing the pointif your current life was revealed to be just a simulation or "just one of many reincarnations" upon death, you are claiming the experiences would then be meaningless to you because your "real life" was "outside" of those experiences
>>738575745>if your current life was revealed to be just a simulation or "just one of many reincarnations" upon death, you are claiming the experiences would then be meaningless to you because your "real life" was "outside" of those experiencesNigger there is no "real life" outside of reincarnations. And if it was just a simulation then yes it's all meaningless. There's a reason why you don't get sent to jail for "people" you run over if your driver's ed class has a simulation practical test.
>>738575834>there is no "real life" outside of reincarnationsassumptions again>if it was just a simulation then yes it's all meaninglessIf you learned this *after* the experiences, after death, how would this suddenly your experience meaningless?Imagine you live a 50 year marriange with your significant other, then die, face a reality that you have thousands of years of lives behind you, could you say that the 50 years were wasted or meaningless, regardless of the lessons or experiences you learned?
>>738576071>assumptions againIt's not assumption. That's why it's called reincarnation. You die, then incarnate again. It's not "die then have a stop over before incarnating".>If you learned this *after* the experiences, after death, how would this suddenly your experience meaningless?It means I shouldn't have been crying my ass off over gustavo or gaston or whatever the fuck his name was cause i can just repaint him like nothing fucking happened.
>>738561248the french are gay
>>738561248I mean in this instance it is.>The canvas is held together by a piece of the real Verso's soul, causing it to suffer an infinite loop. Never being allowed to rest.>Aline will just go back into the canvas and resume what she was doing >Renoir will have to go in and try to save his wife and daughter. Both of which will team up on him before fighting each other>Aline and Alicia will die from overusing their powers to keep the canvas going>Renoir will likely due due to being trapped >Clea will destroy the canvas herself after dealing with the Writers.Meanwhile, accepting that the Canvas is an escape means moving on and being able to process grief. This isn't like FFTA where Marche finds that crystal by pure chance and gets it in his head that Ivalice is fake only to be proven right by pure happenstance.
>>738576176>It means I shouldn't have been crying my ass off over gustavo or gaston or whatever the fuck his name was cause i can just repaint him like nothing fucking happened.This.What is the point of crying over death if you can just bring them back like they never died.Why work your ass off to earn people's love/trust/respect/etc, if you can just remake them to have had those feelings towards you from the get go?What's the value in learning life skills like cooking or carpentry if you can just make food or housing come out of thin air?
I would appreciate if someone could repost the image of Esquie handing you a blunt.
>>738576176Having an ability to reincarnate, or being reincarnated by the will of God doesn't mean that you don't get a "stop"If you have a soul that exists outside of a body and is aware of existing outside of a body, that could easily be called a "stop" between reincarnations>It means I shouldn't have been crying my ass off over gustavo or gaston or whatever the fuck his name was cause i can just repaint him like nothing fucking happened.I'm not talking about the game itself right now but true, you wouldn't need to cry over anyone, but it doesn't mean you personally have the power to bring them back or anything, unless of course we are all just God split in to billions of lives and all return to one in the end.If we died to find out we or (you) personally were God, then naturally your experiences would be even more valuable as they can be used to fine tune existence to be more fulfilling and less suffering or whatever
>>738576737>If you have a soul that exists outside of a body and is aware of existing outside of a body, that could easily be called a "stop" between reincarnationsYou don't have awareness of any of that shit though. That's kinda reincarnation's whole thing.
>>738561248Why can't the painters make some failsafe for canvases to have them automatically eject you if you've been in it for too long and unable to go back in for a day or 2?
>>738577064Probably because they're also somehow weapons in the ongoing painter/writer war going on in the real world.
>>738576824Correction, you don't have awareness of it "while incarnated",It could be comparable to suffering an amnesia, and recovering your memories later, essentially changing your entire personality along with it.
>>738577609But what is the point when you get amnesia again once you're back in the world, retard?
its really easy to see if e33 players have actual life experience. if you defend maelles actions and or pick her ending you obviously have never really seen or experienced addiction or sickness.
>>738578141There is also the third option, which is more likely given that this is 4chan : underaged bacon cheeks.
>>738571774I don't see it. He's the main character of the Truman Show, molded to exist just for the sake of someone else's enjoyment, he's way past the moment of realizing it and he just can't escape, not even by dying. Is it morally corrupt to test the boundaries of the glass box you were forced to live in for a hundred years?
>>738561248I met a girl the other day who said this is the best RPG she's ever played other than baldurs gate 3She hasn't played a single final fantasy game, and I tried to tell her e33 is basically ffx... she wasn't hearing it Any advice?
>>738577064Because that's just how the rules of this world works, paintings aren't engineered, they're created one brush stroke at a time.
>>738562112>he doesn't know
>>738578460ironic for a game made with the *temporary* use of genAI.
>>738578031So that you have a new view on the world instead of the one you already developed? so that you can react to things differently or learn from a different perspective?What, would you suggest a child should have the knowledge of a ten thousand year old Atlantean like some noble lolibaba?
>>738561773Maelle had a reality to return to where she's rich, supported and beloved.The reality of the average anon is here is a lonely, cold apartment which he rents for 2/3ths of his wages.
>>738578871>So that you have a new view on the world instead of the one you already developed?Which again, matters fuck all because your world view is wiped each time you're in the world.Buddhism's whole point is to attain a state of nothing. Zero attachments in mind, body, and spirit. This includes world views.You're not reincarnating as a veteran player doing newgame+. It's just an infinite loop of new player hitting new game.
>>738562112That's all this game is? I haven't played it. Thanks for that description. Not I know it's just mashing Myst and Persona into Unreal Engine. Almost wasted good money.
>>738578949Why do you keep bringing up buddhists? Nobody wants to live a life of complete betrayal to the gifts of life.It makes much more sense for a life to have meaning beyond death, than it is to simply return back to life as a newborn.Even in a situation where you returned to life straight after death, it would still not make your previous life meaningless because your existence contributed and changed the world, if not through your works, then through the people you influenced.
>>738578141I have known a handful of addicts among people close to me, not to get into sickness. I understand Renoir. I also understand Maelle wanting to stay in her egoistic delusion even if I disagree with it, but even outside of that as mindbroken as Verso is that doesn't make condemning Lune, Sciel and everyone they know to death righteous. Obviously if you just reduce the problem to Alicia huffing paint it's a no-brainer, the point is it's not that simple.
>>738579101Because it's one of the longstanding examples of a system that believes in reincarnation.>It makes much more sense for a life to have meaning beyond death, than it is to simply return back to life as a newborn.It makes more sense for life to be one and done rather than "no, you did it wrong, do it over". Specially if you're a retard that grew attached to the notion of being alive. Then it's not about learning the lesson and instead just abusing it to get infinite do overs.
>>738579119the tamagotchi aint real
Escapism is bad if it's killing you.
>>738578456>I tried to tell her e33 is basically ffxJust because both are big sad?>any adviceYes stop being retarded and stop arguing with her over RPG niche taste and fuck her
If you think Maelle's ending is the better choice you are probably still underage.
>>738561248E33's example of escapism was bad because it was family-destroying and all. Also they made the choice too easy because Lumuire was already deleted anyway and Verso wanted to stop existing.If it's just one dude and his painting you can't bring forth a single convincing argument for why that escapism is bad because it's not anyone else's business how he spends his time.
>>738580276If you think Verso ending is better you're probably still under 30
>>738580363Verso's ending is the adult's choice.Maelle's ending is quite literally giving a heroin addict unlimited supply because it would be "evil" to tell her to face her problem.
>>738580464Pardon me for not taking moral advice from retards with the power to create a universe just so they can shit on it as a hobby and destroy it on a whim
>>738580590What they made is no different from someone not turning off Gemini after forcefeeding it all the criteria they want to have it respond to them as their loving waifu. As impressive and lifelike as it is, in the end shit still isn't real.
>>738561248gay interpretation of the main ending message centered around escapismno I will not elaborate
>>738580668nope, what they did was sorcery, creating life akin to a homunculus stuck in a magic canvasAnd these "advanced beings" talk about war with "writers" or some shitactual joke of a setting
>>738580879>nope, what they did was sorcery, creating life akin to a homunculus stuck in a magic canvasBut it's not. The "life" they made is the equivalent of an AI prompt. Everything they've done is in reaction to things brought about by the real people.
I think, therefore I am.
>>738580923It's not, because what they created needs "chroma" a literal binding agent and source material that the inhabitants can use for literal magic and it's God(s) use it for creation and rewriting the entire world
>>738581178Anon, Chroma is paint.
>>738562081>le french aren't le people lelback to plebbit faggot, they'll love your jew government approved racism there
>>738581230yeah chroma is color. and lumen is light, as in back n white. learned this with crt monitors.
>>738561248this thread reads like 3-4 bots trained on /v/ threads are talking to each other. this board has mastered yelling in black and white terms but expect everyone to read into the nuance that went unsaid. And any mention of the the nuance is harshly pushed against with simplistic black and white messaging. the bots are desperate to not be understood.
>>738581337No, anon. I'm saying the shit they use to "make magic" is literally just paint.
>>738581230Oh yes I'm sure just "paint" can create a whole living breathing worldSome masonic dev artists think they're the equivalent to the creator because they drew shit?
>>738581367You're not even breathing lmao. The 2nd area is literally an underwater level complete with mines and coral and at no point do you need to come up for air.
>>738581112I sneed, therefore I feed.
>>738581419ok let's just pretend the videogamey aspects are the real life of the people of that world. I'm sure they're all just standing there, waiting for enemy to attack on their turn
>>738581460Anon... that world is their world.They can literally heal by restocking chroma.
>>738581460How do you know they're not? Their world does not follow our laws of physics.
>>738581419Sciels whole backstory is that she literally almost drowned before being saved by Esquie
>>738581419>magic water area>characters can breath through magic>this clearly means they can breath in normal water
>>738581537No, Sciel's whole backstory is that she tried to kill herself. It just manifested itself as "drowning" in spite of all the numerous expeditions where nary a log entry about losing people to drowning. Hell, even expedition 60 guy who swam all the way back died from being gommaged.>>738581736There isn't a single entry anywhere saying that the area is magic.
>>738581809>She tried to kill herselfYeah and almost drowned doing so
>>738578908I wish I could afford an apartment with 2/3 of my wages. for me it’s at least 1.1x my wages fuck I need to leave metro LA
>game's trailers and original premise is a pseudo-horror game, or at least spooky-eldritch, but it immediately turns into haha funny clothing people and fat guy!!>the only other premise is the fucking expedition>the MC is actually another person, but also they don't matter compared to the little girl double bait and switch that happens just after the refund window>everything is a dream, nothing matters>gameplay is one-note and the skill trees might as well be fake because you'll end up doing the same shit regardless>overworld map is a misleading corridorLiterally the only good thing about this game was its soundtrackWhole ass game is a bait and switch in every single category written by people who think low-hanging fruit melodrama and misery = peak
>>738561248>game let's you make a choice>points out consequences in either >WHAT HOW DARE THEY JUDGE MY ACTIONSlow IQ posts such as this deserve every ounce of ridicule they get and then some.
>>738583496>turns into haha funny clothing people and fat guy!!???
>What if we take a completely impossible scenario and debate its morality?
>>738580464>Verso's ending is the adult's choice.you're killing god knows how many people for a little girl who doesn't want it so she can go back to being a cripple
>>738587815Your mistake is thinking they're people.
>>738587815the counterargument is they're all already gone at that point and the painting is doomed anyways cus Clea and Renoir will destroy it the first opportunity they have
>>738588082all the more reason for maelle to stay and protect it
>>738561586>It's different here since you're genociding an actual world though
>>738588316Or, and this is going to sound too logical for you, she just goes and makes that shit elsewhere. There are other portraits throughout the Dessemdre home of Esquie and the Axons, which means you can have all of that shit literally anywhere else.
>>738588665their chroma are stuck in that specific painting, so she would lose everything she is trying to protect. if the solution is just go make another painting, why not stay in the painting with everyone she loves. would this be the right solution to you just because it would spare Verso?
>>738588665She can't remake verso's soul broShe wouldn't be able to remake the others either. They'd be her interpretation of them just like how painted renoir was the paintress's interpretation of her husband
>>738561586Its a painting with the painters having the ability to get stoned and interact with their paint. Nothing more to it than that.
is this the thread?
>>738588316she's already withering in the real world so she couldn't protect it forever, the world is doomed regardless to some people it might have been better to let it go while most of the people were gommage'd and you'd spare irl Alicia and so the Versos don't need to suffer any more. it's very possible Clea and Renoir will wage war on the painting again to save Alicia and without the Paintress they're fucked.i don't think Maelle's ending is completely bad though because the painted humanity fought for so long and sacrificed so much that any life they have without expeditions and Nevrons would make it worth it
>>738588815>their chroma are stuck in that specific painting, so she would lose everything she is trying to protectNigger Verso has no Chroma irl and that did not stop Aline from remaking him as an almost perfect copy (by Renoir's critique) as a painted person. Chroma has fuck all to do with any of it.>>738588842His soul is irrelevant. It's not necessary to make a wacky wahoo adventure time portrait. Aline and Renoir have been to countless ones.And, like painted Verso said, "painting isn't about verismilitude, its about essence. Truth of who they are" and hammering down the lesson by bringing up the axons.Do maellefags even play the game they shitpost about?
>>738581809>area with literal flying water defying all known laws of physics>Do you have a SOURCE for the water being magic?>I need a SCIENTIFIC PAPER that's been PEER REVIEWED that says the water is magic.>You don't have one? I guess the water must be normal then because the EXPERTS say so.>TRUST THE SOIENCE, CHUD
>>738589246It's not magic though. It's just painted world water. Same as all the rest of the shit in the game setting.
>>738589115>MaellefagsBro are you stupid? It's not about maelle. It's about all the painted people who died. Who led all those countless expeditions just to end up dying because people keep commiting suicide by escapism. THey can be brought back in this painting but what the fuck would they care if you paint a copy of them in another painting? Cool, a copy of me lives on but I'm still dead.
>>738587815>you're killing god knows how many peopleI know. It's 2. You kill 2 people. I'm god now so worship me.
>>738589365only Maellefags cry about saving the portrait like they're real people as though Maelle doesn't literally just respawn these "totally real and not at all fictional" people in her own ending.
>>738574338He's right thougbeit
>>738589365>THey can be brought back in this painting but what the fuck would they care if you paint a copy of them in another painting? Cool, a copy of me lives on but I'm still dead.They can be brought back in any canvas. That's literally what Aline did with her son. The only difference here is you're bringing back painted people as painted people instead of bringing back a real one as a painted person. Verso and the rest of the painted Dessendre didn't even have an inkling that they weren't real until Renoir showed up to drag Aline out.
>>738589424>Maelle doesn't literally just respawn these "totally real and not at all fictional" people in her own ending.rewatch her ending retard
>>738589115>remaking him as an almost perfect copyyou mean the suicidal emo that hates his existence with every fibre of his body lol we're told Aline is by far the most powerful painter Alicia probably could not replicate her ability anywhere near her level, Renoir says something about how she uniquely can breathe life. and why would she settle for a copy when she had the real things in her grasp. also even if she could replicate Aline's ability that power is just kind of cruel, Aline is responsible for most of the suffering in the game because she recklessly created all this life
>>738589283>It's just painted world water.It's clearly different from the regular water they have. It's magic.
>>738589589You mean the ending where people who got gommaged were all waiting to watch Verso play the piano like a trained monkey even though they shouldn't exist because they all got gommaged and Aline and Renoir both left the painting already? That ending? Yeah, totally didn't respawn them. Nuh uh, no siree. Definitely dead as a doornail, the whole lot of them.>>738589608>Aline is responsible for most of the suffering in the game because she recklessly created all this lifeVerso and Clea made the world with the Gestrals and Nevrons before Aline shat Lumiere onto it. She's clearly no the only one that can do it, and painted Verso's lessons straight up allowed her to bring Lune and Sciel back.
>>738581302>jew government approved racism thereFuck off you false flagging kike.
>>738589832>Verso and Clea made the world with the Gestrals and Nevrons before Aline shat Lumiere onto itI think the game wants there to be a distinction between creations like the Gestrals and Nevrons, or Renoir's Axons, compared to painted humanity or Painted Verso/Renoir etc. Creations like Esquie have meaning they have feelings and stuff but they're not as complex as humanity. And Maelle can bring them back because she can feel their chroma "I can see them" she wouldn't be able to recreate them from scratch or at least the game never suggests she could.And looking at it from a more meta perspective, I think that's what the game makers want us to think. In Maelle's ending we get that moment where she imagines her painted friends & family waving at her, which felt like a goodbye as in she can't just remake them.
>>738590052>And Maelle can bring them back because she can feel their chroma "I can see them"Seeing them literally does not have any bearing in recreating them.Rewatch the resurrection scene again. At no point does Verso mention that having or even just feeling their chroma is necessary.
>>738590052>In Maelle's ending we get that moment where she imagines her painted friends & family waving at herThat's Verso's ending.
>>738587815>do you have any idea how many villagers you're killing by deleting this minecraft world???sorry but I'm tired. total painted death
Does time pass in the Painting when there are no Painters present?
>>738590316It's implied that it does e.g. Verso's Trials have a lot of dialogue on him reminiscing about shit that actual Verso created as a little boy
>>738590134she wasn't like making a copy of them she was literally resurrecting them using their chromahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ARD4K45DGAlook at 15:41:04that's why Maelle was able to bring them back, she puts their chroma in her back pocket before getting on Esquie after Renoir starts destroying the canvas. but remembering who they were was a necessary part of their resurrection too
>>738590693So if time passes in the Painting, and we already know that a few days in the real world is decades insideAbandoning a Painting is basically condemning the people inside to a slow degradation into tyranny and chaosDestroying a Painting is the merciful option
>>738590820The piece of Verso's soul never stops painting.
>>738590748>she wasn't like making a copy of them she was literally resurrecting them using their chromaIt's literally not necessary. She brought back Gustave despite one camp interaction having her say she can barely feel his chroma anymore.
>>738590820why would it degrade into tyranny and chaos though, in a perfect world if a painter recklessly made life they could just leave the canvas and let them decide their own destiny. the reason Lumiere became hell was because Renoir and Clea wanted to drag Aline out
>>738590693Painted Verso was created as Aline's finest work yet. It's not outside the realm of possibility that he knows those things because real Verso told Aline those things and Aline remembered those details when making painted Verso.
>>738590962I think it would degrade because of general human history, and because of the concepts of entropyI suppose anarchy would be a better wordBut I can accept that other people think it would continue improving forever, that's just not my personal outlook for life in general
>>738590931That was just an explanation for why we didn't get Gustave for the final fights, at the end of the game Maelle had all the time in the world to feel out specific chroma. Right? That's at least how I'd interpret it I don't think the game wants you to think ok after Verso's ending Maelle just paints a new canvas with everyone resurrected in it, the ending has that scene where it's like Maelle coming to terms with never seeing them again seeing them wave goodbye
>>738591220>That's at least how I'd interpret it I don't think the game wants you to think ok after Verso's ending Maelle just paints a new canvas with everyone resurrected in itExcept that's exactly one of the things that could happen. Verso explicitly tells her that she'll go off to have her own grand adventures, he doesn't limit her on who she's adventuring with.
>>738587815They are not even real in the games world which makes them double unreal in real life. It literally doesn't matter.
>>738561248I hate things that do this. I understand why you would want to warn people but at what point does it count as spitting in the face of your target audience? Like, I like Frieren, but I've already seen so many anime that tells me to go out and make memories, live life, but if people listened to the message no one would be around to enjoy the media. So what the fuck do you want?
The only reason people side with the demiurge is because she is a 16 year old redhead piece of jailbaitIf it was an ugly fat bastard nobody would even consider Maelle's ending.game was fantastic but i haven't played the dlc
>>738591317>I've already seen so many anime that tells me to go out and make memories, live lifewhy aren't you then
>>738591345>game was fantasticKekw
>>738561773Everything i do is to distract me until death. I'm over this plane and I just want on to the next one or the next life or the repeat whatever it is. I just dont want to wake up again
>>738591317>Like, I like Frieren, but I've already seen so many anime that tells me to go out and make memories, live life, but if people listened to the message no one would be around to enjoy the media. So what the fuck do you want?For no one to be around to just be enjoying the media. Instead they're out there living life and having babies, saving their countrie's declining birthrates.You don't seriously think the Japanese care about your existence when they make their anime and shit, do you?
>>738591376Because I have and all i learned is that I'd rather just be inside watching anime and playing games. I have creative hobbies as well, but I also do all that for my own pleasure and not for the satisfaction of others, which most group activities seems to devolve to. I just don't like the idea of someone who makes their living off weeds talking down on them, no matter how much I love Satoshi Kons work
Some anon posted on a thread a while ago a quote from Fyodor_Dostoevsky (?) about a scoiety hinging in the suffering of a small creature and whether or not the reader would care for said creatureI might be misremembering it, anybody knows what the fuck am i talking about?
>>738589913loxism is jewish, you're the jew
>>738591469I assume they like money and making money off of the product they're pushing
>>738591284Maelle can still do painting stuff but it won't be with her painted humanity family, (if her painting ability improves) she could try to make exact copies of them like Aline tried with Verso but she knows it wouldn't actually be them and she saw firsthand how it went for Painted Verso who lived a tormented existence knowing he was just a hug pillow for a broken family.And I'd like to think Maelle would improve mentally that she wouldn't need to live in a canvas to live a fulfilling life. How would you interpret that scene of Maelle imagining her painted family waving goodbye to her, to me that's her saying goodbye to that life it's gone forever unfortunately.
>>738587815>You're killing-They were already dead at that point
>>738591615It's like you don't know how the Japanese work at all. Their CEOs outright take pay cuts due to bad product, something you'll never see any westoid one do.
It's like a Crack dealer. I don't think I'd trust any dealer that wouldn't consume the shit they peddle themselves. Which has at least worked out for me with drugs. I don't have to worry about my purchases because I know the guy that sells it has no qualms consuming it.
>>738591674>And I'd like to think Maelle would improve mentally that she wouldn't need to live in a canvas to live a fulfilling lifeMaelle literally went from "I know you're not really my brother" to "my brother, don't leave me!" all in act three. That mind broke all too easily that I doubt there's going to be any meaningful recovery.
>>738591725>I don't have to worry about my purchases because I know the guy that sells it has no qualms consuming it.that's a good strategy until you meet a king degenerate like me im retired now though
>>738591571>implying all of frances white neighbors don't hate themYou're teh jew fag
>>738591553jewgle aislop says you're talking about Ursula K. Le Guin's 1973 short story "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas
>>738571774Wrong.Every poster seems to not realize that in order for the painted world to exist, a portion of child versos soul must paint, and he’s tired of it. Even painted verso who is completely burned out of living, just wants to die and empathizes with the real verso. The fact that it aligns with helping his real family, and realizing that his own suffering and world are just fancies that can be created at a whim hollow the meaning out of everything in that world.
>>738591981no, im sure it was Dostoevsky, so i ended up finding it on googleits from The brothers Karamazov>“Imagine that you yourself are building the edifice of human destiny with the object of making people happy in the end, giving them peace and rest at last, but that it was essential and inevitable to torture to death only one tiny creature … would you consent to be the architect on those conditions?”So yeah, fuck Maellefags
>>738592087oh sorry anon i thought your previous post said the entire story was based on that concept, not that it was a quote
>>738592130It is what it is, my English is utilitarian at bestI appreciate you trying to find it tho anon
>>738592167it's ok ESLbro i'm the retard here for once i can admit it, your post was perfectly fine i'm just a speedreader
>>738591821Maelle was at her most deluded there, but she's still young-ish and she has a family that will be a lot more attentive now (I think). It's very interpretative I don't really blame someone if they think Maelle is doomed, even just calling her Maelle kind of feeds into her mental illness, but Verso's ending definitely could have been a lot more pessimistic. they could have included a scene of Alicia painting a new canvas with a crazed expression on her face, instead they have her imagining Expedition 33 and her other persona Maelle waving goodbye. which I think is a good sign for her mental state. and it makes the two endings feel more distinct if Alicia really "unplugs from Matrix" in Verso's compared to Maelle's ending where she's lost forever.
>>738591389I liked the game start to finish, sue me.
>>738591389got something you want to share with us, Sanjay?
>/v/eddit still seething about being right about everything
>>738592087Aline is responsible for that though not Maelle. At that point painted humanity was already created, and so to a lot of people's perspective painted humanity has earned some happy existence without expeditions, gommages, or Nevrons. Painted Verso can just deal with it because he's dying of old age anyways and he's kind of a bastard, play the damn piano Verso, but Verso's soul is the real cost. The family fighting over the canvas because of angst regarding the death of Verso, meanwhile the last real piece of him is suffering and none of them cares except Painted Verso. There really isn't a good answer though because at that point freeing him would be at the cost of Lumiere. and to be fair the canvas is doomed anyways as soon as Maelle is either dead or ripped out so Verso's suffering won't go on forever.
>>738590203if you could fuck the villagers and hear their heartbeat as they talk to you about their hopes and dreams, you'd sing a different tune
>>738561248>retard in charge of understanding a nuanced story many such cases
>>738591345I did it for Sciel.
