We are 1 month away from the EU giving their final judgment on Stop Killing Games.https://strawpoll.com/poy9kLjVDgJ
*crickets*
>1 month until it gets vetoed and we laugh at mold cultists
>>738587178Just like usb-c
So they've already made a decision? Why announce that they're going to release the decision?Do we have to leverage the fucking hype train for regulatory laws now?
>>738587178we're losing either wayif it gets through, games will become a service hellscape because now even singleplayer games cannot be sold with a 100% guarantee and therefore become a service subscription like photoshopif it doesn't, nothing changes and software still doesn't get held to the standards of an actual product, with all its upsides and downsides
>>738586998Ross won, Jason lost.
>>738588081Gee it's almost like Ross is a literal mongoloid retard that has no idea what he's doing and all the latchers-on are angry stupid children desperate to feel like they belong to anything and have any way at all of fighting their oligarch owners.
>>738586998It's a bad campaign, trying to make governments involved in gaming. Those are the same people that are fixing the birthing crisis by importing niggers ffs
>>738586998The response:>"Current economy forbids any other scenario than you getting fucked in the ass. Bye!"Then Russians invade Poland and shell Ross' position in Danzig while Pirate Software smuckles and sips champagne.
>>738588081Why would this be so? A single player game is far cheaper as being able to function locally than to maintain a service. If anything this will hurt multiplayer games.
>>738587178Meanwhile politicians who gathered to discuss the issue were all in huge support of the initiative, even boomers who don't play videogames argued for the sake of their kids.>>738587249And just like Microshit being told they can't force people to use Edge.And corpos being told that people buying used software licences is legalAnd the fact that people should have the right to deny cookies and demand deletion of their gathered data.Etc etc etc>>738588081>>738588175>amerimutt fearmongering
>>738588250Because you're replying to a poo that's trying to twist the video from the parliament hearing into something it's not. He'll link the video timestamped at 925 and pretend it means gaas is explicitly exempt despite the speaker correcting himself a minute later and it not being up to anyone but the commission what/if anything should be exempt.
>>738588349>I didn't watch the hearing but 4chan told me it went great!lmaothe exact same arguments the corpos have been winning with all along were delivered unchanged and went unchallenged. Ross made himself look like a complete moron.
>>738588081>if it gets through, games will become a service hellscape because now even singleplayer games cannot be sold with a 100% guarantee and therefore become a service subscription like photoshopExcept that's not what this proposal is about you fucking retard.The discourse is going on for over a year now and there are still people like >>738588175 who can't even grasp the simplest explanations.
>>738588230Indian post
>>738588081>a 100% guaranteehyperbole-brained retard doesn't know that 100% guarantees don't exist anywhere. even the sun stops rising for a while in certain places.SKG does not require a 100% guarantee of anything. it just asks your game retains an offline or client-side functionality.>but our game WILL NOT work offlinewe've been hearing this lie for 15+ years now and it's been revealed as a lie for almost as long. chief example being sim city 2013 which got a modded in "impossibility" within 2 days
>>738588443>Look! Look! I'm part of a group! I fit in!I pity you.
>>738588237In reality Ross destroyed Pirate's career while Ross doesn't even think about Pirate
>>738588230the governments already give enormous tax breaks so these companies can continue to afford to make shit that a lot of people hate
>for years straight games having local multiplayer and player hosted servers was something that just came with the game by default>now faggots will tell me that noooo we can't do it because it's impossible and too expensive and uh- you can't just expect the AAA industry to accomplish what indie devs can do TODAY!!! it's just impossible!!!Lmao>>738588446I guess we watched completely different videos then.
>>738588081>now even singleplayer games cannot be sold with a 100% guaranteewat?isn't that proof that we need shit to get fixed?>if it doesn't, nothing changes and software still doesn't get held to the standards of an actual productthat's still good, because it opens doors to sue companies or even pirate freely.people still aren't getting that the problem is how live service games exist in a legal void where there are no answers to basic questions.even bad answers are better than no answers.
Ross is racist and you're literally Hitler for supporting his campaign
>>738588625Based
>>738586998can't wait for even more government overreach into creative mediums
You can't convince me anyone who's anti-SKG isnt a jeet, a retard, a troll, a shill, or a Pirate Software dickriding zoomer
>>738586998What do we do if they side with the billionaires over the people?
>people deciding laws this is literally communism
>>738588580This post is hilarious It's emblematic of the complete and total confusion among adherents as to what SKG's goals are, to say nothing of the logistical requirements of enacting them.Games as a Service are explicitly not part of the SKG purview, as subscription models they completely sidestep the already very stupid argument that games are a good and must not expire without explicitly informing the customer before purchase.
>>738588729This unironically
>>738588789Gamers will rise up
>>738588804>read how it opens doors to eventually go after the legal free-for-all of live service>interpret it as "we're gonna beat live service!"lmaono, no, by all means, continue to feel superior and smarter. it's entertaining.
>>738588804good morning saarhave you added ai to e=mc2 recently?
>>738587883They probably have to respond properly in actual parliament, so they need to find a time when they're free to do so.You can't just announce government decisions with a tweet or blog post.
>>738586998I don't think it'll result in anything truly binding because that'd require weakening copyright law
>>738588175so what is your solution?
>>738586998>all these people taking the corpor rat side because some corpo-rat nepo baby E-celeb told them tooMake sure you donate to Thor's Phishing Fund, and to tell everyone how smart and good at WoW he is.
For the record SKG sucks because the demands overreach like fucking crazy to the point that they blow up basic concepts of IP/copyright law. A game is intellectual property and not a good no matter how much you wish that weren't the case.If SKG had limited their ask to ensuring that games with phone-home DRM have those checks deactivated when the DRM service shuts down there would be no issue at all.Instead SKG demands that intellectual property they don't own be developed along a narrow stack and feature set that hasn't been popular for 20 years and released to the public.In b4 >Nuh uh just release a serverThat's what I just described.
>>738586998The real question is how many politicians the corpos will manage to bribe.
>>738588963Solution to what?There isn't a problem.>But I want games to last forever!Too bad?
>>738588939America does.
>>738588909>Claim it "opens doors" that it doesn't >Get called a retard>Post more retardationI am smarter than you and superior to you, thirdie.
>>738588963Accepting that you exist to be exploited by corporations and the government, and willingly bending over so they can fuck you in the ass.
>>738586998We did it bros, Ubisoft will be forced to allow us to keep playing The Crew and the rest of their live service slop!
>>738588951What a retarded post. No it doesn't
>>738589118America doesn't have a real government.
>>738589025Imagine purposely writing something stupid in purpose
>stop killing games>gacha games kept artificially alive>age verification requirements aka privacy leaks and ad targeting increase by 500000% >thanks retards
>>738589025>I am a zoomer faggot who never played on a player hosted server before!I know
>>738586998Another day, another shift for anti-consumer shills to spam the same tired posts.
>>738588951SKG posters are incapable of connecting separate thoughts or following a chain of events.Imagine there is an apple under a box. The SKG poster says "I want you to get the apple!"You reply "but I don't want to move the box."Their inevitable, shrieking response is "I DIDN'T ASK YOU TO MOVE THE BOX I JUST SAID GET THE APPLE FUCKING PAJEER SAAR YOU ARE A BROWN CORPORATIST SHILL"You can't argue with stupid.
>>738589132>amerimutt is mindbroken over a specific niche type of cheeseThere are hundreds of cheese types and you're mindbroken over one that's for "niche tastes". Meanwhile amerimutts eat fake McDonalds "cheese".
>>738589263>food analogy
>>738589263>Why do you not want to accomplish such a simple basic task as moving a box?
>>738589272>fake cheeseYou should look up what makes it 'fake' so you stop sounding so fucking stupid online
>>738589303>bot post
>>738589198>gacha players suffer moreI already support it you don't need to keep selling it to me.
>>738589068>I am fine with losing control of the goods I purchased
>>738589315Oh yes because everyone knows McDonalds uses gourmet high quality cheese that is good for you.
>>738589317That would be you, yes.
>>738589263Tough shit, buddy. I'm the consumer, I literally do not care if you want to move the box, if you move the box, or how expensive it is to get the apple. I want my apple. Companies in the past got me my apple. I will continue to use the full force of the law to make you give me my apple. It doesn't matter how much you bitch and moan about it, at the end of the day either I have my apple or we have a problem.
>>738586998Friendly reminder SKG are useful idiots for pushing through age verification.
>>738589418Retard still babbling about nonsense while choosing to intentionally remain ignorant
>>738589473Friendly reminder that Ross acknowledges age verification as an issue. Update your database.
k.. keep me posted
I will never understand the people that think jews should just be allowed to take things from you forever and always go unchallenged, maybe it's because I was never circumcised?
>>738589476But enough about amerimutts discussin european cheese.
>>738589458Anon this post is absolutely perfect in its stupidity and narcissistic entitlement. It is a flawless encapsulation of the SKG attitude; that is to say the attitude of a petulant child that neither knows nor cares how the world around them works.
>>738589068I disagree and voted for SKG.
>>738588963accept that in a sane world free from communistic mind poison if you were found to be useless to corporations, you'd simply be executed and harvested for organs
>>738589625good morning saargpt
>>738589625It doesn't matter how you think a basic request is "childish", "stupid" or "entitled". If you're unwilling to do such a basic simple task as moving this box, you should be either replaced by someone who actually gives a shit or we should be allowed to move the box ourselves and get the apple. Tough shit buddy, but this is how the real world works.
>>738589548Some people get good at dodging their tricks. This makes you feel smart, and superior. You start laughing at those who fall for such tricks. Even though they're innocent victims, believing that they deserve it for being foolish is a far more comforting thought than admitting that jews are raping your community and you can't do much about it. Eventually the brainrot gets so strong that you defend the existence of these tricks in the first place, and advocate for more, after all surely you would never get caught, right? You're a smart goy, you're special, you can be a cool lone wolf who watches your peers get taken advantage of and never lifts a finger to help, that's what will make the white race strong, right?It's an insidious mind virus and it pops up everywhere.
>>738589625Uh-huh yeah that response is real cool and all buddy but it ain't getting me my apple, now is it?
THE EU VERDICT IS AS FOLLOWS:You're 25 years old. You are still living in your parents' house. Get a Job
>>738589549nobody was discussing cheesethat post was about video games, autistread between the lines
>>738588081>if it gets through, games will become a service hellscape because now even singleplayer games cannot be sold with a 100% guarantee and therefore become a service subscription like photoshopIn the EU though, that means traders can no longer require consumers to waive their 14-day right of withdrawal, which means you'd end up capable buying a game, returning it on day 14 without statement of any reason, requiring the trader to fully refund you, and move on to another title.So no- that's not what the industry is going to do, because it would bankrupt them.
Imagine wanting a movement to fail so badly that your resistance towards said movement becomes the biggest contributor towards the movement actually succeeding. He's truly the vidya equavilent of Barbara Streissand, he could have gotten exactly what he would have wanted from this if he just decided to keep his mouth shut.
>>738588804>Games as a Service are explicitly not part of the SKG purviewGames as a Service are not part of the SKG purview in sofar as they constitute freemium games that do not involve purchase of additional ingame items via microtransactions, or they constitute pure subscription services that require monthly renewal. GaaS games that require only a lump-sum upfront payment to enact 'purchase' rather than 'subscription' *ARE* in fact covered under what the initiative asked for.
>>738589012If everyone donates, maybe he'll finally be able to afford that mana gem.
>>738589025>A game is intellectual property and not a good no matter how much you wish that weren't the case.For questions of consumer rights the EU Court of Justice has ruled any copy of an off-the-shelf software product, whether distributed on physical carrier medium or not, should be treated as a good. They ruled this back during Usedsoft vs Oracle and it has come back to be reaffirmed multiple times since.
I really don't get the anti-EU sentiment on this particular caseThere's a lot of places where hating on the EU is fine but when it comes to consumer rights they've literally proven to be the only large organization that actually gives a shit about the consumer side
>>738590434>I really don't get the anti-EU sentiment on this particular caseLet me spell it out for you:> C as in corporate shills> O as in "oh my god, is that a corporate shill?!"> R as in "really? the corporate shilling is getting out of hand"> P as in "pajeets make for the best corporate shills"> O as in "oh my god, they're *still* shilling?!"> R as in rats - both the pajeets and their corporate masters> A as in Americans, the second best corporate shills -- actually; no, the best. 'cuz they do it for free,> etc. etc. etc.
>>738588237>Then Russians invade Poland3 days after finishing their special operation in Ukraine
>>738586998Pointless endeavor. All good games have already been made
>On a first date>"Hey anon, I can't find your name on the SKG initiative list, this must be a mistake, you did sign it, right?"Wat nou
>>738593621>"Hey anon, I can't find your name on the Pirate software donation list, this must be a mistake, you did support the modern day Socrates, right?"
>the modern day Socrates
>>738590206>GaaS games that require only a lump-sum upfront payment to enact 'purchase' rather than 'subscription'how many of those have there been?
>>738587249Govern me harder, daddy.
>>738589508>useful idiotRead nigga, read.
>>738586998>FINAL RULING: some extremely wealthy jews paid us off so fuck yousorry for the spoilers
>>738589473You're also a useful idiot though so kill yourself
>>738588625Why, yes, I am.
>>738586998The fact that something called "Stop killing games" is will be what finally kill AAA GaaS slop is so fucking funny to me. Godspeed, moldman.
>>738590102i really do think he had a decent enough point regarding the lack of specificity in the original initiative, and it's true that there are certain games that just aren't meant to exist forever. most of the pushback he received was from simpleton idiots who just thought "THIS GUY WANTS TO KILL GAMES" and it stacked on top of his already lolcow status to create a shitstorm that hurt his ego so severely he became unable to speak coherently on the issue. i feel bad, because he was basically used as a fall guy to push the movement forward in the eleventh hour, but at the end of the day you just need to handle those kinds of situations better if you feel that strongly about them. i also think whatever roadblocks the movement creates for the industry are negligible and can be appropriately weathered anyways, so it doesn't bother me anyhow.
>>738587249Different charger in the box doesn't upend the entire software industry.
>>738590102>>738597383Pirate software wins in a month don't celebrate too soon.
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