>makes a huge deal about the baby dying in the intro>it literally doesnt matter because the baby is somehow back as if nothing ever happeneddid anyone ever claim Kojima is a hack?
>>738594228Play the game my man.If you didn't figure out what is going on with Lou the after the first scenes with Dollman, you might not have paid attention.Don't want to defend the game because you can figure out the main twist almost immediately and the story is like spinning its wheels for most of the run time.
In a setting where the lines between life and death have been blurred having characters "die" and stick around is fine. The thing is though she doesn't actually die, it's a fake out and Sam spends most of the game hallucinating a phantom BB. What's more shocking is that Kojima killed Fragile. Yeah she's "technically" dead for the whole game and lingers on as a sort of living ghost but she still properly dies in the end.Kojima is definitely up his own ass too much though and I have no doubt he pulled that shit with Lou because he wanted to age her up but didn't want to do a big time-skip with the rest of the cast. Given how popular "daddy sim" games are now I'm surprised he didn't milk having Sam raise Lou for a few more sequels, but I guess that's too unoriginal for an "auteur" like him.
>>738595168I'm still mad that the game wasn't a daddy sim. I thought it was going to be DS1 but with the struggle of trying to do it all with an actual toddler strapped to your chest like the kino minus sixty one opening.
>>738595168The Fragile twist is the only one I didn't figure out before hand. Shame that it was kinda clumsy and didn't really work.
Wait so lou didn't get shot?
>>738594228Despite being biological father and daughter, it is repeatedly stressed throughout the game that it was their “journey across America” together that is the foundation of Sam and Lou’s relationship. The games are all about forming connections, and that journey is their connection; not their inherent, passive biological relation, but the physical journey that they had to actively take together. The tragedy of Lou’s “death” isn’t the death itself, but that when she comes back as Tomorrow, she and Sam both have lost their connection to each other because she has no memory of their journey. Moreover, because she spent her childhood and adolescence in the world of the dead, they’ve now also missed the subsequent journey of parenthood/family that they were supposed to experience together. Two once intertwined and inseperable souls have become strangers, and nothing of their past strand seems to remain. THAT is the tragedy of Lou’s “death”, not “omg someone shot and killed a baby!”. It’s why Fragile SPECIFICALLY apologizes to Sam when they find out Tomorrow is Lou for “taking away” the memories/journey of parenthood they were supposed to share together. But in forming new connections and going on living, Sam and Tomorrow are able to reconnect with each other, and retie the knot between them that had come undone.
>>738596214I should call her...
>>738595954Mexican Solid Snake looked after her at the cinco de mayo -dimension, from his cuck chair. Time moves faster in there so she comes out of there as a grown woman who doesn't want to wear shoes.
>>738594228>the baby is somehow back as if nothing ever happenedExcept this is not true, because the pod is empty. Just play the damn game, before making nonsensical threads.
>>738596417So Lou got shot, died, then grew up in the afterlife dimension into Tomorrow at an accelerated rate? So Tomorrow's a ghost? I got that Lou: Tomorrow bit fine, but found the act one ''hook'' of Lou getting shot to be cheap, gay, and disgusting, and I don't think there's any abstract sci fi rugpull writing that can excuse or compensate for it.
>>738596679No Lou doesn't die but Fragile is hit mid jump so she and Lou end up at the cinco de mayo -dimension and Fragile leaves Lou there for safe keeping and suffers amnesia so she can't tell Sam about it when she comes back to the living world.
>>738596873Stupid plot. Kojima is a faggot. He built up a story about the importance of fathers and their children and then raped it with a memory wipe.
>>738597756Motherfucker READ >>738596214
>>738597756Yes the amnesia bit is fucking retarded. The entire fucking plot hinges on Fragile not remembering what she done did.
>>738596214>>738597868I almost like it but I don't, the message isn't worth even implied/faked out infanticide, it's too brutal and distracting there has to be a better way to express time/connection r and all the rest.
>>738594228sam is a KEK
>>738598075time/connection severance*
>>738594228Reminder that Kojima had to rewrite the whole story because he was scared shittless for predicting the china virus IRL in DS1. Thats why DS2 is written the way its now.
COME AND GIVE DOLLMAN A BIG LIKE PEKO
>>738594228DS2 is fucking ass because it resets Sam to an even into a worse version of himself than he was in 1. Then all his "friends" keep it a secret that his daughter is actually on board of the Magellan so that he can keep focusing on the objective to connect Australia to the cunt-network. This game is a work of ass and it's a piece of shit. Also I disrespect it for copying MGS4's finale almost 1:1. Yes, the chink is a lazy hack.
>>738594572If it took you to Dollman you didn't pay attention to the first game at all. BTs can't move far from the spot of their deaths, which is reinforced by Mama. If you didn't figure it out instantly from the very moment Fragile started to recount events, you don't know writers in general. Everything about the scene, and events leading up to it, was wrong for it to actually be true. If you don't see a corpse, and/or the characters don't see/react to a corpse, then whoever is supposed to be dead is actually alive. All the trope set ups were in place for a later reveal of "Lou is alive/Tomorrow!" from the get go.It was such a blatant non-twist I can only assume Kojima didn't mean for it to be one and was just trying to make it a misdirection for Fragile which only worked because of the ass pull, "Oh, yeah, that can happen with the Beach too." At this point the Beach is a giant Deus Ex Machina device to allow whatever the plot needs to happen.>>738596214>But in forming new connections and going on living, Sam and Tomorrow are able to reconnect with each other, and retie the knot between them that had come undone.Yeah, it might have been nice if the game truly allowed Sam and Tomorrow to do that. But, aside from a couple apples and some photographs, there's nothing.Sure, if there is a 3rd game they could do that then, but frankly, I don't want a 3rd game if it is just going to be more of the same. Kojima will just make minor iterations if it is just on Earth dealing with the Death Stranding's effects. Which means Sam and Lou will be ripped apart yet again. Because that is what Kojima does if he doesn't actually do something new, he just goes, "What if I had done that scene/mechanic slightly differently but the same?" The series needs to move onto the Moon, finally, and see how the Death Stranding effected the rest of humanity.
DS2 Sam is closer to Venom Snake, with his subtle facial expressions telling more than words could.
The ghost mechs were cool at least, why did like 5 different people possess the ninja though?
>>738594228Anon...
>>738599306What are you on about? The red samurai only ever gets controlled by Deadman and then by Higgs at the end.
>>738594228I bought this game and it was garbage
>>738602923This is what you get for playing games for FOMO instead of getting games you want
I have just unlocked the zip lines.gotta go slow and steady
>>738604381>slowUntil you unlock the coffin
>>738602790it giggles like a baby in the first encounter
>>738594228It was a good game but it's literally just more of the same.
>makes a huge deal about the baby dying in the intro>it literally doesnt matter because the baby didn't actually die and it's actually Fragile who has been dead the entire game, having sacrificed herself to save Lou/Tomorrowhave fun with the game
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>>738604331What if anon actually wanted to play the game though?
