Is he right?>Robyn Miller, who co-created Myst and Riven, confirmed he's used AI tools in the art, but defended his use of them to finalize art he says began with old-fashioned pencil sketches of the concept:>"The tools are advanced enough that, once one has a concept, especially a sketch, arriving at a final image is not so difficult. This involved iteration after more iteration, adjusting small parts of the image, and shifting portions of the image. Even once the final design was complete, I could shift elements such as the angle, type of film that was used, the age of film, film grain, time of day, weather, lens on the camera, camera used, ISO, etc... changing the image slightly each time. It's a process of two steps forward, one step back. Dozens of iterations.">Miller also took time to defend himself from accusations of creating "AI slop" specifically, with the bold take that actually it's a lot of the real "slop" out there has nothing to do with generative AI.>"From the beginning of my career," Miller wrote, "I have always been an early adopter of tools. Tools do not make the art. The artist makes the art. Any artist can take a brush and, without thinking, an artist can create slop. In fact, the internet is overwhelmed by endless amounts of ART SLOP. And 3D SLOP. When artists design without intent, or copy other people's styles, or create with any thought or care... the result is slop. And it's everywhere."
>>738601813>create with any thought or care.Except AI is a tool so you dont have to create with any thought or care. Getting a computer to shit out an image that you have no real control on it's actual outcome is pure laziness and careless no matter how much mind gymnastics you use about using AI for art. At least AI coomers are honest about they use it for coom material thats it and they dont give a fuck about art and dont posture on a soapbox about art.
Damn. Do all AI-bros like smelling their farts this much? If you are too lzay to do your job or don't have the passion to actually create art, then maybe just quit.
>>738601813>Reddit right now
>>738602201>Do all AI-bros like smelling their farts this much?It's their entire thing. The exact same as NFT bros were a few years ago.
>>738601813He's right, of course. It is the uncomfortable secret of amateur artists everywhere that what they do tightly conforms to patterns, and that what they produce is often not particularly difficult nor interesting -- which is precisely why AI often produces passible artwork.Anyway, here's some ambient music by Robyn Miller.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec1e44V67cc
>>738602201>Damn. Do all AI-bros like smelling their farts this much?Not only that, but they are so far up their own ass that they post here all day every day calling anyone that thinks "AI" is lazy and soulless leftists or trannies or whatever they think has an impact.>>738602465This
>>738602201>>738602465You know this board is overtaken by actual literal twitter refugees when fags use "bros" as a suffix instead of "fags".
AI is pretty good at surreal nightmare fuel so myst is probably a good use of it
>>738602201Imagine being one of millions of people with no skills, no drive, and chronic performance anxiety. And you get a way to pretend to have something to talk about.
>>738601813>In fact, the internet is overwhelmed by endless amounts of ART SLOP. And 3D SLOP. When artists design without intent, or copy other people's styles, or create with any thought or care... the result is slop. And it's everywhere.yeah and now its even more plentiful because your instant gratification machine lets people flood the internet with shitty art that has no thought behind it
Literally everything, every single thing is computer generated, we have created an entire system based on automatization, to make the process to anything more easy, so what's the problem with just another tool? Lots of people are using the tool wrong and is very telling, but when people use it right nobody can tell, we are already at a point where we know they are using AI but is more than hard to tell how or where, we are basically waiting for the moment where they go "yes this thing you loved so much and rated a 10/10, that's AI".
>>738601813I'm of the opinion that the end product is all that matters. If you can direct AI in a way where the result looks good, then that is fine. Just make sure to price your product accordingly to offset my hardware costs from AI and I will be willing to buy your game.
>>738601813That’s a tsar bomba tier TRVKE
>>738602201>then maybe just say no to moneyYeah, fat chance.
>>738603976Not happening until disney bribes the supreme court (or whoever the fuck is responsible) to change the copyright laws because right now anything that is ai created has no copyright protection.
>>738603126Good catch anonNewfags need to lurk moarI agree with the Myst guy.
>>738602127>You use technology instead of paint?>You use paint instead of pencils?>You use pencils instead of chalk?>You use chalk instead of berries?It's the advancement of tools. People like you are just afraid of change and convince yourself that you have a moral obligation to be against it for whatever reason.Because some fuckin' Youtuber told you to? You probably have clippy as your pfp.
>>738601813Cool. His new tracks in Riven remake sucked ass tho.
>>738601813>design without intent, or copy other people's styles, or create with any thought or care... the result is slopI get where he is coming from but when that's literally all AI is capable of... his argumentation is not looking good at all, lmao
>>738604973AI isn't a tool like a pencil though, AI is like telling a diaper fetish furry artist to draw your self-insert wolfsona fucking a toaster but for "free"
>we investigated ourselves and came to the conclusion that we're in the rightWell that solves that mystery.
>>738602127>that you have no real control on it's actual outcomeretard
>>738602127>that you have no real control onThis has always been the one aspect of anti-AI sentiment that has bugged the shit out of me. Not to say most of its users don't just use what it shits out, but you notice no one ever wants to fucking talk about the scenario where an actual artist uses AI with genuine intent? That involves touching up. You know, not settling with artifacts or smudges or gens that are too obvious on their own; things the bonafide artist himself can just edit out because they know what they're fucking doing and get to ultimately save time on the whole process. The best part is we'll probably never know just how many creators get away with that because their AI art ends up completely passing for the real thing, and its best it stays that way. I kinda wish anti-AI rhetoric would stop there when it comes to independent artist usage, but of course the moral dilemma has to extend to them and shit like falsly accusing artists of doing it anyway like with Blue Prince and setting the stage to turn the whole concersation into a tool of exploitation and harassment. Absolute fucking stupid bad actor-infested shit flinging contest.This whole controversy was lost the moment people wanted to include everyone besides corporate pigs. Now you got all these typically left-leaning artists all of a sudden acting like entitled boomers who demonize you for not picking up a pencil or skipping their commissions. Not even saying this shit from a /pol/ perspective, it just dashes my hope the masses could actually have some potential to start using more than one brain cell. You would think diminishing freedoms would kick peoples asses into gear but no. You would think we really were meant to be serfs. It's infuriating.
Are the Myst and Riven Remakes good? Are they a good way to experience the games for the first time, or should I go with the ported PS1 versions avaliable on the PS Store?
>>738605190Neither is using digital art software to paint. Digital slop "artists" can start creating "art" without ever picking up a pencil and cheat with the machine separating their slop into different layers and helping them make smooth brush strokes.Hell, using a stencil or custom brush to draw things like clouds is literally no skill involved it's entirely the software doing it for you.
>>738601813>literally who>creator of literally what>has a retarded opinionWow... OP... This... Broke me... O algo
>>738601813>I made it bad on purpose
>>738605641>t. never painted anything digitallylmao cope. using stencils for grass or clouds is immediately visible too and nobody but first timers use it
>>738605847Nice cope, digital slopper.You have no skill, you will never create real art.
>>738604973AI isn't like a pencil or chalk or any other artistic tool. Its closest equivalent is paying some thirdie over fiverr to do the work for you. Its the ultimate tool for lazy nigger idea guys who would never make anything worthwhile anyways.
>>738605543no actual artist outsources the creative process to the machine when that's most of the fun of creating. only cynical corpo slaves do that because they don't care and just phone it in
>>738604973False equivalency. You didn't draw it, you didn't create it. Cope.>>738605375You don't. You never have, and you never will. You might think you have creative freedom, but you are ultimately subject to whatever the AI decides to pump out. You aren't creating anything, its not actually coming from your mind.>>738605543Same to this. Cope. Genuine intent towards what? You aren't creating anything. There is no true intent, you its not coming from you. You can't have true intent if you aren't realizing every line and value on your own. You're just being a lazy cunt and letting a computer do it for you.
>>738605887>doesn't deny itthanks for confirming you have no idea what you're talking about
>>738605908>Its closest equivalent is paying some thirdie over fiverr to do the work for you.Its closest equivalent is a camera with a functioning artifical brain. There really is no accurate comparison to AI. It's a new type of tool but it's still a tool if you use it properly
>>738605570>Are the Myst and Riven Remakes good?Yes.
>>738605982Why would I deny it? I exclusively use physical tools right now mostly graphit. I don't want to touch your fake art tools.You are only creating slop. You will never be a real artist.
>>738601813>Any artist can take a brush and, without thinking, an artist can create slop.Damn son, you didn't have to hit them that hard.
>>738605930Semantics. In practice it's a grey area and you probably already have several artists who are both very good at what they do and not too much up their own ass to not use these tools in their workflow to save time if they're making shit for a project. You can call it gay all you want, sure, but if it's convincing enough, you'll have to accept that you'll never know.
>>738604973Notice how none of those technologies are reliant on stealing the works of others to produce something.
>>738605992>Its closest equivalent is a camera with a functioning artifical brain. There really is no accurate comparison to AI."AI" isn't actually intelligent retard. It doesn't think.
>>738605641>Digital slop "artists" can start creating "art" without ever picking up a pencil and cheat with the machine separating their slop into different layers and helping them make smooth brush strokes.Have you tried drawing anything with a tablet? It's just as hard as doing it with a pencil on paper cause the tablet doesn't fix your shitty anatomy or perspective
>>738606071>I don't want to nor have I ever touched them but I will tell you everything about themhahaha holy cope
>>738602575AI surpasses bad artists, including professional bad artists. Using AI without learning the art makes you likely to get stuck at the AI level, unable to improve. Above average isn't great.
>>738601813All good artists are great at pattern recognition and breaking "rules" to not be too formulaic while also staying within the boundaries of what is considered good.All great artists spent alot of time studying great pieces of art to steal from.Guess what computers are fucking efficient and amazing at.
I mean yeah people make slop all the time but they can also make really good shit too. AI can't make anything other than slop, that's the problem and when you have to either constantly lie about it's usage in your work or gaslight your audience into accepting it's use then it's probably not a very good toolset in the first place. Despite advacements in the technology over the last 3 years people can still tell if something is made by AI and they simply don't like it. But at the end of the day if you wanna use AI in your game that's fine but you better start charging a lot less for your product.
>>738606194>It doesn't think.It has a logic system based on the data that's fed into it. Kind of like a certain species of mammals currently living on this planet. Hmmm
>>738601813Based aichadThis is the power of aiIf you don't use it then sorry sister you have a find a new job ;)
>AIjeets are clapping because some has-been who hasn't made anything of value in many years is sucking off AI for attentionYaaaaawn.>>738603976If you're too stupid to understand why we shouldn't "automate" things that require creativity, passion and care then maybe stay silent.
>>738601813>Who, who co-created what and never heard of it
>>738605570Myst: Masterpiece Edition and Riven (1997) are the definitive versions of the original games. In general I always advocate playing the original before the remake, but for Riven in particular they greatly simplified the most important and iconic puzzle in the game. Typical "modern audience" stuff.
>>738606410>AI can't make anything other than slopYou're right. I mean as long as you call everything le slop all the time, there's no way AI can ever overcome that, is there? Your head will just remain in the sand
Take the aipill and become the next billionaire before its to late
>>738606410>But at the end of the day if you wanna use AI in your game that's fine but you better start charging a lot less for your product.We already see what happens when people get caught using AI. They get mad people raise a stink about it because they wanted to cut corners and still charge full price. Thing is people are sick and fucking tired of enshittification and AI is the herald for a new era of lower standards by making worse products using AI and having it be the norm.You would figure /v/ would be against being sold shittier games given how the industry has been raped by greed and lower game quality but I guess not.
>>738601813If i had the money or skills I would make the most reddit game by hand (something like nugow or last of us) and when leddit has been sucking it off for a month I would lie about it being 80% AI generated
>>738606426Shallowly looking through a large set of data then using it to make up some bullshit that should satisfy the user based on a hit-or-miss interpretation of his question is not "thinking". Especially if it doesn't involve any actual awareness or capability to go "wait, am I sure this is correct?">inb4Sorry, but a machine will never be able to truly think or use human level awareness & logic. AI slop should know its fucking place.
There is nothing wrong with using AI, same as there is less wrong with using computers, sure tools are there for you to use but what is their obsession with equating themselves to actual artists? I only know how to do "art" on a computer, I never learned how to properly use a pencil or a brush, but I am not going around telling everyone I am on the same level as an oil painter.
>>738605976You can have genuine intent to meet a deadline. I'll admit using AI in making something you just wanna post on your social media is silly, but if you're churning out textures and shit like that for a job, then if it works, it works. You don't have to be like Aspyre and do what they did with Tomb Raider. You're entirely free to go the extra distance and make it work. You're jumping straight to character judgement anyway, but my point has been if their post-gen edits make the shit look passable, you're just fucked man. If you wanna keep pressing the gas after that then enjoy being a paranoid schizo I guess.
>>738606587>the most [...] iconic puzzle in the game
>>738606715...How does using AI make a game shittier? The game is shit because the developer is shit. If the developer uses AI to churn out good results, then why would the game automatically be shit?
>>738601813>Any artist can take a brush and create slop>Any AI WILL create slop
>>738605543Agree 100%. I bet the average anti-AI dork has never heard of a controlnet or even a LORA because they think online services like ChatGPT and Grok are all AI can do.Side note, I won an art design contest at work using a mix of AI and traditional drawing (in Krita) and nobody guessed I used AI at all. Artist intent definitely matters, even when AI is involved.
Did you guys see the earthworm jim guy becoming retarded and posting sub-indian tier AI animations of his character and defending it as good?
>>738603976The problem is you have to convince the people making decisions that its worth using AI as a tool only and not a replacement for people. Because there is a fine line between>this AI tool can save us $ by freeing up more artist timeto>this AI tool can save us $$$ by firing the artists altogetherAnd I would argue that there are some artists who aren't as talented and when compared to AI work its hard to justify their end results. I don't want AI to replace people, I want to coexist with it as a tool to uncover our blind spots so we can make better art. Unfortunately many people want no middle ground, only the extremes for AI (no AI, or fully AI).
It's funny how slop has become such a pervasive word in the cultural zeitgeist
>>738606843Because the AI can't make anything good. If you wanted some good you'd just hire a good artist to create the assets instead. AI only exists as a cost cutting measure and nothing more.
>>738606780i dont care about your deadlines. Fuck your stupid job and your faggot homo superiors who think its ok for you to be lazy enough to not do any of your own work.Soon they are going to just replace your ass with AI and your tune is going to change real fucking quick Hahahahaha
>>738602201Extremely ironic post
>>738606923>so I pumped myself with anabolics to win a competition and no one noticed therefore using them is good, all it matters is that I won Uh
>Guy who was relevant once but has not made anything worthwhile in decades has an opinion.>Because he was someone once his opinion is super valid guys.
>>738606765Because the average AI shill is indian and pajeets think that artists are some kind of "higher caste". That is why they shit themselves over le artists to frequently while bragging how with AI they can all be "real artists". They think it's their revolution.>>738606843Because the average AI result is always going to be either mediocre or straight up shit and if you use AI for anything that requires actual inteligence you need to be smacked.
>>738606979State intelligence planted it.You'd think people would question why for the longest time memes were always transient in some form until boomer wojaks and their derivitives started being posted in early 2018 and somehow evolved into an ever present cancer.
sorry joaoyepsao paulo? you'll live there forever, in your slumAI will not save you, no one will ever buy your garbage
>>738601813lmao luddites in the mud
>>738602201>-brosFuck off back to twitter.
>>738601813AI hate will last until someone makes something truly great while also being vocal of its AI use.People still listen to P.diddy and Rkelly despite they are pedophiles, people pretend to not buy games because muh AI but in reality its because those games are shit.Make something so good they cant ignore it.
Why do boomers love AI so much?Are their brains so degenerated that they don't notice how generic and soulless many of its products are?Also the "many artists create dogshit so I should not be criticized for creating dogshit" argument makes him look like a childish idiot.
>>738602127Because you are thinking the pipe-line goes from AI to Direct Output.Otherwise, what is the difference between using AI and using a photographic reference, which most artists nowadays do anyways.
>>738601813Everyone's using ai. And riven and myst are kino. Love playing it in vr.
>>738607068He's a pajeet and they think lying and cheating is good. No surprise there.>>7386071612 more weeks saar.
>>738606923>I won an art design contestThis definitely happened.
>>738607212Crimson Desert is full of AI assets and its one of the highest selling and rated games of this year.
>>738605543How much time are artists saving by using AI instead of just doing the work though? You would have to sit there typing up an essay in the prompt to get something passable as a rough sketch when you could just take 10 minutes to do the rough sketch anyways.
>>738602127But people using ai do create with thought, you IDIOT
>>738601813>From the beginning of my career," Miller wrote, "I have always been an early adopter of tools. Tools do not make the art. The artist makes the art.1. I ask you to draw something2. You draw it3. You are the artist1. I ask computer to draw something2. It draws it3. ????
>>738607014Nigga you gay
>>738607259>normalfags are consooming open world garbage because they were told toWowza
>>738607318>moving the goalpost
>>738607285You direct the computer to draw something
>>738607265Wrong faggot. I've fucked like six frogs to death and all of them seemed to enjoy it before they croaked. Do you think AI could've done better
>>738606984>Because the AI can't make anything good.Bizarre cope. I've seen AI make great looking things.AI is literally just an amalgamation of reference images and then using those reference images to create a new thing. Saying AI can't make anything good, makes no sense at all.
>>738607259That piece of shit is qlready forgotten
>dude AI is just like photoshopwhen using digital art, pretty much everything is controlled by the artist, and often you can't really do anything without fundamental illustration skills. when using AI, pretty much everything is subcontracted out to an idiot RNG machine, and the only difference between a "good" AI user and a bad one is that the former has studied the technology for a little bit. AI does not allow the artists eye to be used, just look at whenever it tries to make emotions, it's not capable of doing anything more than stock emotions because it just has a bunch of labled training data, but real emotional complexity was never labled in training data.
>>738607285You can still edit the things AI makes, iterate, collaborative process. You don't just publish the first thing it spits out lol it's a powerful tool but you still need a human touch
>>738605042Controlnets exist, inpainting exists. With those two things alone you have full artistic control over what you make if you want it. If his post is true and he spent 2 weeks on the image he is likely using both. Kneejerk redditfags have no clue what they are talking about, as per usual.
>>738607417>Bizarre cope. I've seen AI make great looking thingsYou being a easily impressed normalfag with no taste is not a win for AI.
>>738607417>I've seen AI make great looking things.That because your a Indian, and not (or ever be) white.
AI is only bad if it looks bad. If you literally can’t tell it’s being used, there’s no issue. >inb4 no AI image looks goodIt can if you actually know how to prompt properly and give it good references.
>>738606715/v/ is against it though, you don't take the daily shitpost pit of what is most likely low token generation LLM's as /v/'s verdict do you? Whenever any actual news about ai in games comes out almost everyone shits on it.
>>738607259>taking salesnumbers mandated by the state to avoid hurting the feelings of the chinese at face value because it suits your agendagood morning saar
this is what goes into generating images btw
>>738607193>Otherwise, what is the difference between using AI and using a photographic reference, which most artists nowadays do anyways.Human intervention. Photographic references (except for cases of tracing) are used to improve your already existing art piece. You don't remember the exact details of a street lamp? You look up photo references and make your own version of that. AI does a similar thing, but it does things by the books. You can twist it to make it how you want, which is human intervention. If you spend 5 hours trying to get AI to make you the perfect street lamp you like, then that may be about the same as you spending 5 hours painting it yourself. The skillsets are much different though. I think most AI art made people go 'good enough' or don't notice the imperfections because they aren't invested in it in the first place. The foot proportion is off? The person doesn't know or care because they aren't an artist, they don't consider such things. I do think artists can use AI to improve their work. I don't think there is value in replacing the artist with AI art though because you'll end up with art that feels soulless.
Almost every meme I create here is AI and most people either don't notice or don't care.
>>738607370So youre making a request, not the art
>>738607161My friend uses AI for music and he composed this orchestral piece which is legitimately one of the best pieces of orchestral music I've ever heard. I was shocked when he told me he used AI for quite a bit of it.The thing is that good AI is already here. People just don't realize it's AI, because it's just that good.
>>738607537cool thumbnail saar
>>738607496>>738607498Cope faggots. It's just the next step of using Photoshop or gimp or whatever. The tool does a lot of the work but it's still the product of human creativity. You are a mindless herd animal. Btw shitskins could never create AI
>>738607608And then everyone clapped
>>738601813AI makes slop like blurring, missing or reversed appendages, etc etc but at the end of the day you have to be a sloppy person to be ok sharing that with the rest of the world
>>738601813>FROM THE CREATOR OF MYSTTo be fair, he's probably 70 years old and has no creativity left, so he uses LLM copies to avoid a blank canvas.
>>738607161AI hate will last until generations born with it become adults, quite simply. Time solves everything.
>>738601813That's true. It's always the human that makes the prompt and decide to post online. The machine just does what it's told.
>>738607508>If you literally can’t tell it’s being used, there’s no issue.Not true, because there's always something lost. If AI could theoretically only make perfect 1girl standing images, then you would not be able to discern AI images from normal images, but we wouldn't get any art that wasn't 1girl standing. It would be an invisible but extremely damaging flaw.
>>738607607Does it matter who makes it? Does every toaster get made with "le SOUL!!!1"?
>>738607768And by that time it will have improved to the point where it can actually output intent.
>>738607763Or he's an intelligent open minded person who uses the tools available to him..
>>738607596post one of your memes
>>738607627They don't understand the difference between using duct tape to tape air ducts, and using duct tape to build an entire house. It's very easy for anyone to use it, so you get a lot of uncreatives pushing out shit. However, all images are just pixels. Every single one of them. Whether drawn, photographed, or generated. The final result is either good or it's not, it being AI is irrelevant. The tech will only improve and I think this will be just a dark period people will eventually forget like the horse going to the automobile.
>Use AI in art>don’t admit it and claim it’s human art>literally no one can tell the differenceI guarantee you that game companies are already doing this. Any decently prompted AI art is nearly impossible to distinguish from human made art, especially of a human edits it after the fact to touch up any errors.
i wish AI was good already so we wouldn't be spammed with>slop mods built with co-pilot or whatever else being essentially fake mods that have nothing to do with the game and reference things that don't exist>slop art with glaringly obvious problems>slop voices and music that are inconsistent in BPM and rhythmit's made people more than happy to release their trash when before they'd have to release literal stick figures and other "child-like" drawings instead of hallucinated shit they spent 5 seconds prompting, they're too brave about their shit AI products and thus we got spammed with even more slop than usual as soon as these tools were releasedeverywhere is having to deal with these dumps of retards who upload 100 images of literally nothing but "neat" images that aren't coherent
>>738607589>I think most AI art made people go 'good enough' or don't notice the imperfections because they aren't invested in it in the first place.That's the main reason a lot of people don't like AI. Its a tool to make 'good enough' stuff, not great stuff. Even if something is made by human hands and turns out meh, atleast the guy making it tried. Why would I spend my money and time on shit someone was too fucking lazy to even try?
>>738607627>It's just the next step of using Photoshop or gimp or whatever.No it's not. Photoshop gives you and requires perfect control, AI does the work for you.
>>738602201Literally billions of people on planet Earth will never be more than a cog in the civilization machine, ai promises them a grand vertical leap in money and status. They want to believe anon.
>>738607496>>738607498>No argumentsNeat. More cope.
>>738607956Nobody is making great thingsThe great things were already madeAi allows everyone to find their niche and settle in with like minded people. instead of everyone being forced to watch hollywood movies we now splinter to a favorite youtuber. Its better this way. No lore stranglehold on the arts.
>>738601813>I--I'm not c-cringe! You are!
>>738607848You have to be retarded to call LLM "AI" and think that it can "create". Including the retarded leftist detractors by the way, they've really shown their colors, their stance on "AI" mirror their stance on capitalism, as in they make such retarded arguments it only serves their opponent, as if they were taught wrong to serve exactly that role.
>>738607959You never tried generating anything lmao.Have you SEEN what a comfyUI workflow looks like? Have you SEEN how you have to tweak everything and have "perfect control' to get what you want?Including setting the perfect amount of steps and CFG, right loras, right models, descriptive prompts,blacklists and 1000 more settings you have to very deliberately set up?
>>738607864The real redpill is that the main people butthurt about AI are the mediocre artists who do overpriced commissions that are terrified that AI is going to make them obsolete, because AI is already at a level where it can do mediocrity competently, and it will only get better. If they claim it’s for ethical reasons, they’re lying. The truth is that they just want to eliminate the competition rather than improve as artists.
>>738607417>AI make great looking things.never happened
>>738608070And I cant believe its not butter so shut the hell up
You will see, you will ALL SEE. When AI is no longer in its infancy I will make the greatest fucking game you faggots have ever seen. All of it will be made with AI, the music, the graphics, the code and it WILL be good because I finally have a TOOL to realize MY vision.
>>738608081>writes a bunch of bullshit to say that he has 0 control over what the AI does despite the amount of effort he puts into the PROOMPT>>738608116they can make great looking things if you can ignore glaringly obvious errors
>>738608081damn nigger if you're so good how come you can't draw the fucking image for real
>>738608081still less control than photoshop
>>738608182>bunch of bullshitYou are basically arguing how autopilot in planes makes pilots redundant while not knowing anything about aviation
>>738601813Cool!Still never downloading/buying anything with AI in it
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>>738601813>the internet is overwhelmed by endless amounts of ART SLOP. And 3D SLOPCorrect. Just take a look at REAL ARTIST WHO PICKED UP DA PENCIL and shit they put out on artstation. ppl seem to think that ideas come from nowhere. No, it's just people iterating upon stuff that has already been done, stuff they've already seen. AI does the same. In the end it's all about taste and how you use it
>>738601813Is he retarded? The term "slop" is a food analogy, that is original derived from the scraps you feed pigs, but that in modern parlance refers to mass-produced, cheap, unhealthy, bland food, often with artificial preservatives and low quality ingredients, that's basically made in a factory or the equivalent of a factory.The opposite of slop would be flavorful, quality food that's either homemade or made to order by a chef, with fresh, high quality ingredient, and made by someone with skill and experience.That's exactly why it applies to AI. It's soulless, generic, machine-made slop with no thought, experience or skill put into it.
>>738608156And no one else can do that or what? I mean if it is an equalizer then everyone else is on the same level as you now.
>>738608061Completely disagree. Great stuff is still made, you have to look harder for it now because there is much more stuff thrown at us.AI shouldn't be seen as a 'give up and accept automated mediocrity', it has a lot of untapped potential. Unfortunately it is still being used to create mostly mediocrity (imo like the pic posted above your post). I think some AI made stuff can be good, but its insanely outnumbered by bad and okay AI 'slop'.
>>738608081>AI is good because it does shit faster and better than people>no actually it is like doing it by hand its just a tool because you need to invest time into making it goodThen why fucking use AI? Why would anyone competent use this tool when they could just do the work themselves and have complete control over the entire process? This all just sounds like giga cope from fucking loser idea guys who want the cred of being some big shot without putting in any of the effort.
>>738608116You know that's a lie.
>Niggers complain games look all the samey garbage>support AI niggers>that will be 70 + tip>WHY GAMES SUCKS NOW???
>>738608273>stick figuresYou used Ai for this? Why?
GIB BLUE PAGESNO TOUCH RED PAGESAAAAAHHHHHHHH
>>738608142Yeah retard, you know it's much easier to lie to you than to show you how you are wrong? Because you are unwise, that's an essential behavioral characteristic that makes you stuck and easily manipulated by evil people.
>>738608315Name 3 games that came out in 10 years that are 'great'keep in mind I will immediately call them shit and then argue about why its shit despite never hearing about them until now.
>>738608017Am I supposed to be impressed by this? you have some fucked up blurry donutsteel edgelord OC that does not fit the LoZ aesthetic doing who knows what in some field, following the same pose as link because AI has problems keeping identities separate
>>738608246you're gonna use auto-pilot as an example? really?people like you desperately trying to make comparisons to things that aren't remotely similar is dumb and only works against you
>>738605375>t. prompt """engineer"""
>>738608325Because what if using ai didn't compromise their creative freedom?
>>738608382Because it took 4 seconds
>>738603126Fags have been using "bro" on 4chan for well over a decade. Initially I think it was used ironically, but due to how universal the term became, people just started using it without a hint of irony.I remember calling it out probably in the mid to early 2010s.You're pretty late to the fucking party if you're only noticing it now.
>>738608017>>738608364Who is that supposed to be anyway
>>738608273It would be very sad if you're not trolling, so I'm choosing to believe that you are doing that.
>>738608325Because once set up AI can give you 1000 finished products that you can pick whichever you prefer in the same time as it takes to just make 1 by hand.You can even train a LORA on your own art to have it create variations on your already finished art.Lets say you hand draw 100 goblins in your own style, you can train a LORA on that and have it generate 10000 "unique" goblins with your style based on your originals. Now your game can have 10000 "unique" goblins.
>>738608246>comparing pilots to prompters
>>738602201I had a tech bro classmate in college. Faggot would not shut the fuck up about blockchain. Had no thought to share on code. No idea what a recursion or any other basic programming concept was. The guy failed our fucking excel class the first go.But god dammit, everything was about to be blockchain. He could talk forever about why he thought that, but every other word out of his mouth was some other made up bullshit that required explanation. And that explanation included words that required explanation. All of his little business ideas had nothing to do with what blockchain actually was good for though... he just wanted to make end-user experiences, like "I'm going to make Netflix... but blockchain!"This is how I picture the tech bros. It's completely separate from the side of silicon valley that actually does shit. It's like a quasi-skillset of just selling bullshit to each other, and striking gold every now and then when some geezer or stock trader who knows nothing about programming likes the sound of the vomit coming out of your mouth. Or lazy fucking people who don't want to learn how to draw but want to make cool shit, and don't know the difference between art and this slop.
>>738608480Yes, but 2009-era ironic fratbroposting is not the same as the techbro, cryptobro, AIbro, etc slur.
>>738608475And you couldn't do that or something?
>>738608487But no game needs 10000 "unique" goblins. I'm speaking this completely legimately that the kind of art "variation" ai can bring over normal sets or still images is actually not just "less is more" but "more is literally worse". You can shove in 10000 goblins but... what does it? have you thought about that before you thought about adding them?
Bring me a red page.
>>738608374They sucked since ESG (((financier))) people got really into the gaming sector in 2015. This fake-AI is just like these financier, they are sterile, soulless, no wonder a lot has been invested into fake-AI.
>>738608487>100 goblins in your own style Somehow I doubt that
>>738608475and it will not be remembered for more than 4 seconds
>>738608382Here's one that is much more obviously AI that I see people sharing a lot. >>738608598Of course I could. But it's quicker and easier to just get my GPU to do it.
>>738608487>Because once set up AI can give you 1000 finished products that you can pick whichever you prefer in the same time as it takes to just make 1 by hand.Brother would you really ever play a game where some shmuck set up an AI to generate 1000 assets because he is too fucking lazy to make 3 and then just recycle them? Stop excusing laziness holy shit all this board does is complain that games these days are shit yet you shill technology that will only make them shittier.
>>738608648NO, FUCK YOU LYING SHITDON'T LISTEN TO MY BROTHER
>>738608485Just twisted angels+Zelda
>>738608625More means higher return on investment. The Talmud told me this.
>>738604973>It's the advancement of tools.Every part of the process replaced by technology only cheapens the output as a whole.This doesn't even need to apply explicitly to AI, just compare CG animations making heavy use of motion tweening to animations made using frame by frame drawing.The tool must exist to allow the artist to more easily express their vision, not to reduce it and interpolate between what's given.This impairs the vision of the artist as seen by others.>but manually creating things with intricate detail is incredibly time consumingYes, that is the nature of art, it is an expression of one's vision as presented by one's passion and skill.
>>738608678Well at least you are honest
>>738608678it make sense that slayfags would like ai
>>738608480It wasn't used as a suffix, it was just "bro". It's like how normalfag became normie
>>738608750Ah, ok, any reason why you chose those two concepts? Kinda curious desu
>>738601813Yes, he is right.Guns don't kill people.People kill people.The tools did not publish the slop. You published the slop.
>>738608625>You can shove in 10000 goblins but... what does it? have you thought about that before you thought about adding them?You are saying this on a board that regularly goes over trailers frame by frame and adds red circles over reused tree assets and copy pasted houses(most recent being RE9 trailer).
>>738606587Was that the marble puzzle where you weren't supposed to use one of the marbles?Even at the time that was complained about by most people, specifically because the way the rest of the game's puzzles are designed leads the player to think the last marble must be used, given the implication the additional marble has (that you're missing a piece of information and need to go digging for it).
>>738608959...Or you could just program an internal character creator and make varied assets instead of injecting a thousand different assets.
>>738608768New tech will always come out to streamline the creation process. If it didn’t, we’d still be doing cave paintings.
>>738608946Guns don't take 5% of all electricity and 90% of memory production.
>>738608768Vision is just interpolation between what artist has seen. AI absolutely can make this easier like any other tool.
>>738608768Well put anon
>>738609078What were you going to use these for anyway?
>>738608678I tried searching the archives and I've only seen this image reposted 3 times including this time, does not seem to be especially popular
>>738601813>>738602127>>738602201>*snap* yes, i think i'll submit this photo for my section of the art expo>luddites: did... DID YOU JUST USE TECHNOLOGY TO PRODUCE ART!? YOU'RE KILLING ACTUAL ARTISTS! BUY MY FURCUBDIAPERVORE NOW!What's the difference between using <tool_a> vs <tool_ai> to produce art?
>>738609195Why not ask AI for an answer instead of a real person? You'll get the same result, if not a better one! :)
>>738608959And they'd complain that the trees and house are AI because a lip somewhere has a texture that extends too far instead, so you wouldn't really solve anything.
>>738609071This isn't really tech though, it's just brute-forcing guessing the next value by comparing a huge set of copied (stolen) values. Yeah okay it's a technique, a really bad technique. It doesn't really do much.
If AI is so good then why does everyone try to hide its involvement when it's used? And why, when caught using AI, do they behave like a criminal that just got caught? I just find it ironic that the biggest shills for AI hate woke games and refuse to buy them, but then will turn around and seethe post about ignorant luddies refusing to buy shit with AI involvement. All while using the same deceptive language that woke lefties use to degrade 'chuds' that refuse to buy games with woke elements.Hell you see it all the time when a game gets caught with AI assets AIfags will cope "well why is it a problem when you only noticed it now?! Clearly it didn't impact your enjoyment until you found out AI was used somewhere."And then we have constant slay the spire 2 threads about anons finding out Anita was a consultant and now they have no interest in buying it.
>>738608860No reason in particular. I just like the fallen angel + Zelda aesthetic.
having witnessed through the rise of photoshopI'm pretty sure it'll go like this>AI is widely rejected>artists start reluctantly using AI>consumers start shitting on low quality work with AI>artists get better at using and disguising AI>consumers get worse at detecting AI>consumers start praising work unknowingly using AI>artists start promoting and teaching their use of AI>consumers start using AI>AI becomes widely accepted
>>738609087This. Also, AI is able to make something exactly like that anon’s picture, but you just need to give it extremely specific instructions and have that image in your mind to make it. AI makes bad images when you give it vague instructions. Giving vague instructions is like drawing a stick figure and calling it a day.
>>738609148Feed it to Kemono and Arutha-bot.
>>738609341Not true because the world will collapse within 5 years and nobody will have the money to spend on developing AI
>>738602201>Do all AI-bros like smelling their farts this much?Yeah it's so pathetic. Luckily I am anti-AI and pure of soul.
I'm just tired of AI bad moaning ad nauseam. No one cares, this endless bitching won't change shit. Get over it.
>>738609324Because right now there’s a witch hunt against AI where people will actively try to cancel and boycott you if you use AI, regardless of the work’s quality. They have to lie so people will actually give their work a fair shot and judge ot on its own merits rather than shit on it for using AI and nothing else.
>>738609078Are you retarded, you think the industrial revolution also didn't siphoned all the available iron ore and shit like hoes and spades became more expensive for a short period.
>>738609479Cuck
>>738608805idk given the recent politics surrounding the game you'd think they should be vehemently opposed to it. Fact is, most people don't care about AI. It's just a loud minority that shits their pants when they see it. I guarantee there's a ton of AI you have seen and didn't even know it was AI. Most of the coomshit is AI, and it floods this board. >>738609184If you searched by the file hash those 3 times including this one are me, as this is the original image. These ones are not mehttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/qxuGJJ3-kyb4HSRnY2pvOQ/
>>738609341No that won't happen. At best people will be amused by short fake-AI videos posted on social media to feed the doom-scrolling. Maybe another E-33 fake-AI generated script game will come out, but the more that comes out the more people will notice its pattern and become disinterested since it's made by fake-AI without purpose (except selling).
>>738602201funnily i think the most sane ones are the AI rpers you can find on this very websiteunlike most they dont seem to have any pretenses to it being "real literature" they're making, they just use it for niche fetish fulfillment
>>738608595That's not really true. Two of the nicks I've been using were given to my on 4chan back in 2013, because I was posting art anonymously, and people needed something to call me. I didn't come up with them. One of them ended in drawfag and the other ended in bro, and that's 13 years ago.
>>738609479Yes it does. If bitching was useless then the government wouldn't have forcefully acquired control over Tiktok from the Chinese.
>>738609524>They have to lie so people will actually give their work a fair shot and judge ot on its own merits rather than shit on it for using AI and nothing else.See, the funny thing about your retarded argument is that games like E33 and Crimson Desert were discovered as using AI because their assets WERE judged by their own merits, and then players started to wonder why certain elements looked so sloppy and ugly and then it was revealed why that was the case. AI slop will ALWAYS be judged by its merits, and its merits will always be "this shit looks like an amateur made it."
>>738609071A paintbrush provides a more precise and effective way to put paint to a surface than a finger.A drawing program provides the ability to do things like adding layers to non-destructively change things you've previously worked on without altering other elements of your composition, while being able to change between brush types and colors with the press of a button, even permitting a perfect preservation of those colors between works.These changes as time has gone on tend to provide the ability to be even more precise than before and give artists the ability to construct their art with fewer limitations.Image/audio generators offer the opposite of this, asking the artist to sacrifice their vision in it's totality to the will of whatever the generation seed produces, only giving them the most limited of inputs on it, and generating something based on a mesh of content it's been given previously to reference.
>>738609637I do find it funny that there’s a lot of anti-AI fags who love E33, even though it’s extremely obvious that parts of the game were AI generated.
>>738609704>holding the lever does something different from just pulling it and letting goAll of my rage
>>738605570play the originals. Actually skip Myst and play Riven first. It's the much better game.Also don't read this thread where people discuss puzzles without spoiler tags
>>738609724The government doesn't have your best interests in mind.
>>738602465NFTbros are AI bros.
>>738609524>Because right now there’s a witch hunt against AI where people will actively try to cancel and boycott you if you use AI, regardless of the work’s quality. They have to lie so people will actually give their work a fair shot and judge ot on its own merits rather than shit on it for using AI and nothing else.
>>738609704>>738609785Played realMyst for the first time recently, and I'm happy to see that being stumped by this shit was something I wasn't alone in suffering through.
>>738609603How is he being hurt by AI? How are you?
>>738609550>MUH INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTIONShut up you fucking retarded baboon, the engine created an immense surplus of energy and food, the reverse of what is happening right now. The REVERSE, as in you cannot call it similar.
>>738609725E33 got found out because they left a placeholder asset in by mistake. That’s only what was found. We don’t actually know how much of the final product was AI generated, but I suspect at least some of it was.
>>738601813>confirmed he's used AI tools in the art>of a game from the 90sSo he's just making shit up now?
>>738607460Did I "make" pic related? Did I add some kind of value to the world here?Not trying to be a dick to you, just the idea. It's just a woefully layman layman take on how art is made, published and monetized. "I edited it" is subject to obvious scrutiny from the audience, the parties paying for it, and most importantly any actual artist claiming the work. How much did you edit? Are you going to put that in the credits? Does the % of the AI go to the owner of said AI? I'm sure they'll be better at hashing this out than you, they have decades to centuries of practice. Can I say I "made" pic related? It's cool that someone who doesn't have a craft can get their nut off of creating something, finally. But it's like giving a kid finger paint. Less, even.
>>738602465Yet AI is still being talked about to this day, funny that.
>>738609903AI fucked my wife and murdered my dog
AI is cool when it's not pretentious, using it as a crutch to call yourself a great artist is boring and pathetic, only using it to help your vision come true while being honest about it is acceptable
>>738601813>faggot who made Myst is a pretentious midwitHow is this surprising?
gamers will accept AI because in the past gamers were dumb enough to accept game passes and microtransactions and survival crafting roguelike deckbuildersdoesn't mean anyone will ever make a good game with it though
>>738601813>This involved iteration after more iteration, adjusting small parts of the image, and shifting portions of the image. Even once the final design was complete, I could shift elements such as the angle, type of film that was used, the age of film, film grain, time of day, weather, lens on the camera, camera used, ISO, etc... changing the image slightly each time. It's a process of two steps forward, one step back. Dozens of iterations.every. fucking. time. these faggots are so insecure about it they always feel the need to justify that they are actually working very hard! it's not slop!shut the fuck up. do what you want. if people ask, be honest, as you would be about anything else. but don't put up this sad show. "yeah, I used AI". done
>>738609619>These ones are not mefair enough
>>738609779That's what I'm saying, it's already happeningPeople are only going to get better at using and disguising the AI work and that's not even considering that the technology itself is constantly improvingIt's fucking over
>>738601813AI art is just as artistic as school photographs, money chords, traced art, book plagiarism, industrial drawings, and any human editing attempts to evade traditional ethical guidelines against thievery, which were usually done as a quality control measure to ensure libraries are filled with NEW content (aka "creative") that advances human civilization.Current American civilization's god is money, its ethics serve the question "how to make money for me, fast" and the virtuous answer is which makes that happenso, "popular" becomes a measure of quality because it's "more money", intellectual dishonesty is artistic dealership, plagiarism is competitive and respectable, lies and deception is the ai being "agreeable", works are called "products", and so on.That's a world view so materialistic it's far removed from the traditional understanding of what beauty or bringing value to the world is. It's at least self-aware how irreconcilable with it is, so it seeks to destroy the very concept and supplant its manifestations. From an authoritarian point of view it works out as well, only the rich can make (plagiarize) and profit off art, and only the powerful define the "ethical guardrails" of what can be created, limiting what can be created while also purging anything ouside of it from the internet. "Art" was used previously in the west for obvious money laundering operations where period blood on a white painting somehow was conveniently worth the monthly operational budget of an israeli diamond colony with modern day african slaves so it's not the first perversion of the word's meaning
>>738602465you don't like the smell of your own farts? Might want to see a doctor about that.
>>738609997E33 was good and the devs admitted AI was used to help make it.
>>738609715No mean, I mean that when we're here on /v/ have been calling each other -fags and -bros, that's a separate etymological development from the techbros thing, which did not come from this website nor develop out of the diffuse meme. it signifies toxic masculinity or some shit
>>738605976>anti-AI fags when the topic of references comes up
>>738602201>Damn. Do all AI-bros like smelling their farts this much? If you are too lzay to do your job or don't have the passion to actually create art, then maybe just quit.>broslol fag
>>738610165lol
>>738610045Why not? You aren't his mother you fucking faggot. This a white man's board, we like the Arguments, we like the Debate. Things aren't solved just because you 80 iq nigger brain decided they are.
>>738609958The creators came from the investment sector, so my guess is all of it was assisted or copied from LLMs.
>>738605543Great post. It's gonna get hate from luddites.
>>738609974It's insane how your thinking about art is entirely centered on profit and reputation.
>>738608403not him, but i'll take your whiny bitch concession for him
>>738607417AI doesn't make anything it Frankensteins other people's work it scraped without permission together based off a system of labels.
>>738609991that's just your opinion, right?you either adapt (you won't, like 99.9% of population, cause low iq) or not, in any case, just like how it has always been with humanity, new generation that accepts it will replace you, and you'll just fade into obscurity and irrelevance.that opinion is not even yours btw, you just copied it from others like a bot.
>>738609991I don't like AI, but I like AI threads here because it's a very communal activity. That's what AI should be used for, stuff that could not work without it (and no, "i'm too talentless and lazy to learn to draw" is not an impossibility). Another example is shitty meme videos of like cats with bazookas, the effort required to make a video like that with normal video editing tools are almost insurmountable compared to the value of the video, so they just aren't made without AI.
>>738610247good as in, the public perception of the game is very positive and it made good profit
>>738610282IMO, a lot of the music was probably AI assisted. You can piece together a song that sounds like it would fit in the E33 soundtrack in Suno in about an hour.
>>738610373No one cares what stupid shit you generate in AI if you're not trying to sell it.
I never had any interest in art or coding. Over the last year i picked coding as a hobby thanks to Claude having fantastic capabilities as a teacher and became well versed in art terminology and history, and it's all thanks to AI tools. I'm genuinely happy they exist.
>>738610448All artists steal and all art is inspired by art that came before it. Shakespeare ripped off Marlowe for example.
>>738610451Why are you mad tho?Also nice projection.>>738610458Yes when it's not used to put themselves on a pedestal, when they understand they are standing on the shoulders of the biggest colossal giant that ever existed.
>>738609960There are a lot of retards in this thread but you might be the worst
>>738610136you can see this with the world cup debacle. Americans unironically defend bus shuttle companies increasing their prices by a factor of 100 while the stadium is unaccessable on foot, because they believe that scamming and exploitation is a legitimate way to become rich since it might happen to them some time in the future. That society shouldn't be a giant pyramid scheme does not occur to them.
>>738601813If AI requires this much effort and knowledge why don't you just use normal tools that have been proven to work right for over 50 years now
>>738601813why dont AI generated games just AI generate sales?
>>738607607There is no request, as there is no will in the program. Programmer doesn't request the script to do something.
>>738610136I agree and I agree with Henry Ford.Although I don't think it's even materialistic, it's masturbatory, it pretends to be something that it is not and in the end doesn't create anything.From basic truths we can establish: "AI" does not think, it's useless to "thank" the AI after it processed your prompt, it does not think, it is not intelligent. Ergo, that's a scam.Other important truth, money is sterile, it cannot "fructify", the whole banking sector is a scam, it's sex that is fertile.
>>738610482Clearly people do, there are tons of people in this very thread that do, and many people think generative AI is inherently evil and must be destroyed or at least outlawed. Besides that, art isn't about money.
>>738610741It’s cheaper and faster. You don’t have to pay a dozen artists and have to wait weeks for them to create finished art. You just need to pay for the model, then spend an afternoon promoting it until it produces something that looks good.
>>738610780you say that as if we wouldn't 1000% create fake consumers to fool shareholders and inflate the markets if we could
>>738610381Way to project little bitch.
>>738610813Money is extremely fertile. You can create all kinds of things with money. Make all kinds of things happen. With money.
>>738610641me mad? you are the one who got baited into this thread, and felt the need to make sure everyone knows what you think about ai. literally seething and fuming:>when it's not pretentious, using it as a crutch to call yourself a great artist is boring and patheticand like typical leftie accusing others of their own shit.don't reply to me anymore.
>>738610939Banks can lend 7 times your money and inflate the market right now.
Can we range ban India from 4chan already?
>>738603126>>738607148Techbros are an already established term, you histrionic retardsNobody would understand what you meant "techfag"You're trying way too hard to fit in
>>738610741why are you not living in a cave? why are you not hunting with a spear?
>>738607476>full artistic controlto, again, tell AI what to do, but this time in the isolated part of the slop it generated earlier as opposed to generating the entire thing again. this doesn't change the fact that you're outsourcing the creative process and, as per his own definition, creating slop. plain and simple>Kneejerk redditfags have no clue what they are talking about, as per usualmighty projection sir
>>738610373It's insane that's what you took from my post.
>>738610989If you rub two bills together, it will never create a third, it is sterile. It's sex that is fertile and labor, as in an apple tree gets fertilised (sex), creates apples (tree seeds) and a laborer tends to the trees and collects the apple through his labor. Money is sterile, it creates nothing, just like "AI".
>>738605042But it can create 'with thought'. You provide it yourself.
>>738611067Out of all the posts you could choose to get mad about you chose mine, sorry not sorry it triggered you.
>>738602127>Except AI is a tool so you dont have to create with any thought or careThis but using anything to create art that isn't a pencil.
>>738601813he's right but most people won't be able to grasp what he actually means, especially the techbros who will just take this as an endorsement and run with it. the last part is the most important part and it's what most people will ignore.>When artists design without intent, or copy other people's styles, or create with any thought or care... the result is slop. And it's everywhere.
>>738610831>there are tons of people in this very thread that doPeople?
>>738611148That's illegal
>>738611175>in the isolated part of the slop it generated earlierThat's not how controlnets work, try doing a tiny bit of research before running your mouth. >sirThe redditfag continues to out himself.
>>738601813>some guy makes AI art>learn how to use AI and make AI art that looks betterHow does this make sense unless using AI is a skill like any other tool?
>>738601813No one has talked about Robyn Miller for nearly thirty years, but the instant he mentions AI, /v/ pounces.
>>738611286>If you rub two bills together, it will never create a thirdBut if you pass it around properly it 'will'. Either way, apples aren't created out of thin air either. Matter can be only transformed. It's all a sum zero game
>>738611115"Techfags" sounds better, as in they are in the technological section and are acting like a bundle of sticks which means that they are cumbersome."techbros" as in "Mario-bros"? As in all men are evil feminist propaganda? You'd unironically say that?
>>738611352This. Bad AI art is basically people putting in a half-assed prompt and publishing the first thing that gets spit out. There’s no intentionality behind that. Using AI as a tool to realise a specific vision is different.
>>738611078Why would that change anything?
>>738604973There are machines that smash pennies and imprint a small picture on them. Does using that machine make you, the person who slots in the penny and starts the contraption, an artist?AI is functionally no different than walking up to a giant vending machine with billions of switches and flipping some of those switches on and off and hoping what is spit out approximates what you wanted. Are vending machine users artists?
>>738610205Do you actually draw? Using references doesn't mean "Let computer instantly create a vision for you"You still apply your own soul, your own style, your own hardship to an image when drawing from reference. With AI you are just being a lazy fucking faggot. Using references while drawing isn't lazy. Even Kim Jung Gi god rest his soul learned from references.
>>738611589Are photographers?
BORN TO NAVIGATEMACHINE IS A FUCK鬼神 KILL EM ALL
>>738611491No it will never, the 3rd bill only appears after printing it which creates inflation which is a form of theft upon stored money. See how wrong you are? Money is sterile, only sex with labor is fertile. And if you think that the nutrients in the soil is the same as an apple, DAMN YOU ARE RETARDED
>>738611115>histrionicIf you're going to keep using that word like it's a fucking tic, at least learn what it means, you retarded faggot.
>>738611662It requires positioning, knowing about lighting, composition, color theory, so yeah.
>>738611529Women love Nintendo Super Mario Bros World your logic is flawed
>>738611662Photographers are sex pests.
>>738609341Most of this has already happened. It's just more difficult for some people to realize because, since we have an unprecedented number of 3rd worlders on the Internet, it's easier for people to cherrypick their shit and focus exclusively on it without realizing that more and more 1st worlders are using AI without it being identified.
Left is art. Right is not art.Simple as
>>738611281It's insane how badly you need my cock.
>>738602127No wonder why church not have cute drawing anymore. People are too lazy.
>>738611709Or you take it from someone else throug clever exchanges. Like how apple takes the nutrients. Kinda.
>>738611856Do you think the left is art?
>>738602957>>738602465cope harder. AI is literally going to replace the need for most of us. It sucks but progress is inevitable. I'm just trying to stack as high as I can while I can. Good luck.
>>738611920Yes because I drew it.
>>738611779All I hear is>"m-my ai art requires knowledge of prompting, weights, inpainting, extensions AND all the skills a real artist would have!"Photographers are hacks.
>>738611779and you think using local ai doesn't require knowing the capabilities of loras, chechpoints and prompts you are using? are you retarded?
>>738611928I already do nothing so I have no fear it will replace me.
>>738611969>>738611971See I called it. Photographers are just proto-ai genners.
>>738606410AI winning art and photography contests in 2022 already put your argument to rest. Or like, the first time it ever fooled someone into thinking it was human-made. This argument just has no weight. it's emotional and womanly in nature. Illogical, invalid.
>>738611795Javis, shitpost this
>>738612019Kill yourself elfnigger
>>738611958Did you feel like you were making art when you drew it? Why did you draw it?
>>738611623Yes, that's why I mentioned it because I knew it's the area that makes artfags squirm. It's all inspiration, reference, definitely-not-tracing, homage, study...but it's all just taking something someone else already did. "Oh but I'm mixing and matching...", congratulations, you're a proompter with just more ego. Hope you didn't dare to use digital tools to make it easier.
>>738611993Sorry, Anon. It's coming for your job too
>>738611885no,that's because the artists started asking to get paid more
>>7386117954chan was so much better in 1998
>>738611969This guy thinks I am a prompter>>738611971This guy is mad that I said photography is art
>>738611993Congrats. I wish I was there and living comfortably.If you're just subsisting meekly off handouts then I suggest you kill yourself. The world is too kind to parasites.If you've just inherited everything, then I am supremely jealous.
>>738611896Yeah you took someone else's money through voluntary exchange, you gave them what? Something created aka not money. Money is sterile, the source of wealth is labor and fertility comes from sex. Saying otherwise is trying to scam people out of their labor.
>>738611420that's how inpainting works you daft fag. controlnets are just basic bitch image generation but with an extra step of you creating an outline which the machine will then overpaint on. waow! sure showed me>sir>redditfag continues to out himselfironic to say the least lmao
>>738612019As long as at least a single person on the Internet is uploading bad AI art, I can pretend it's all garbage.
>>738612101Hey man, I am just going by what people are saying in this thread. I drew it, therefore it's art. The right is not art because the AI drew it. Simple as.
Artcels Lost
>>738612194No you're going on a superfluous idea you have of what people are saying to justify your straw man in your argument.Why did you draw that image?
>>738601813>AI
>>738612105ai can't make something unique from a single reference
>>738612310To shitpost
>>738612192i don't judge every piece of art ever created based on the knee inflation pics some furry uploaded to his deviantart page, you, like all luddites, are completely deranged
>>738612182MOney is just stand in for things created to make their exchange easierIn the end nature is just murder, thievery and scams all the way down. So what
>>738612357Ok you made some pretty shit material for no reason then.
>>738612091lmao still mad>>738612192Impressive delusion.
>>738601813Well he made Myst so he knows all about creating slop.
>>738612445What point are you trying to even make? I made art. Get over it.
>>738612186nta but controlnets are actually really crazy scientific achievements and much more than what you're suggesting. you can say one of them like canny is like that but there are dozens of CN types.
>new tool is invented>people don't know how to use it well>"This is shit! It's broken! It'll never replace old thing!">people learn how to use it, those that learn first gain advantage>knowledge of how to actually use tool and use it efficiently eventually disseminates>tool becomes commonplaceWow what a strange phenomenon we are experiencing. most jeets still don't know how to use basic, long-existing inventions and use them ineffectively to this day so AI truly is no different
>>738612446hang yourself elfnigger
>>738604973Gotta give to the marketing guys, they really knew how to get you tards by calling it "AI" instead of what it really is.You really do believe in it.
>>738612353Neither can humans, you'll use another reference to make it unique.
Didn't Neverness to Everness get flack from the Chinese for having AI slop in their games? If they don't like it, I can't see how a westoid would either. Then again the right is so hung up on AI mostly because they were told as young bluds that art is useless and that they need to get a real job. Thus giving cultural dictatorships to the left that seems to be going strong even to this day.
A guy who creates an image with AI and adds the caption: "Image by Robyn Miller" isn't right in the head.I make eroges, and I considered using AI because I managed to generate some decent animations for my characters, but I dropped the idea quickly when I realized that wasn't my work. No matter how much these idiots delude themselves by saying that AI is just a tool and that they're behind the real creation, that's not true, and I can guarantee that with 100% certainty. Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or deluded by technology.AI is cool and can generate really high-quality stuff on certain occasions, but it's not human work. The human "art" in AI lies in the math papers behind the image-generation algorithms, not in the outputs they generate...
>>738608070Your only argument against AI is nothing but calling someone "retarded"
>>738612559at what stage we are currently at?
>>738612669lol
>>738602127fpbp
>>738612353Yes it can.https://docs.novelai.net/en/image/precisereferenceEven the first type of AI art was created having a computer draw based on sounds, and you could say that sound was a reference.
>>738612710Late
>>738612105this is like saying AI voice generation and human speech (which you learn through copying) are the same
>>738601813YOU ARE TRANNY LUDDITE BASTARD BITCH!!!! AI LIKE CHATGPT HELPING ME TO GETTONG H1B SO I CAN CONQUER TIMMY COUNTRY AND HAVING SEXYIES WITH WHITE WOMAN!!!! AI IS FUTURE! INDIAN IS FUTURE! YOU TIMMY TRANNY LUDDITE BASTARD BITCH MADA FUCKS WILL BE LEFT BEHIND BY SUPERUOR INDIAN!
Myst is worthless and degenerate.
>>738612710>>738612559this barely even applies to AI in the context of art>new tool is invented>people don't know how to use it well>still produce art better than 99% of artists>the majority of artists and artist fans lose their fucking minds over it and haven't recovered after years>smarter or younger people are just adopting the tech so it will take longer than usual for it to become commonplace
>>738608081Wonder if this is just a copypasta because whining about the "effort" put into adjusting parameters is gay as all hell.
>>7386127103, the cope stage>"This AI made a mistake at a company! Its useless!"No, the actual humans didn't use the tool properly, and if they don't learn how to use it, they are going to be left behind by companies that do.
>>738601813how dare you paint with a brush and canvas!paint on the cave walls with your fingers like the rest of us!
>>738607905You're in for a disappointment, because the current focus of AI is to be sold, not to be improved, the current state with price inflation, is all about establishing control of the market with minimal product quality improvement, not about earning a place through your product's own merit
Wasn't ChatGPT yapping about goblins or some shit? Nice technology you worship there chuds
>>738612798>unique
>>738601813trying to spot AI because you dislike it is pointless because you can already not spot AI(if you think you can you don't even realize you don't spot 60% of the ones you see, next year it will be 75%, then 95%...)
>>738601813Anyone can make slop, but they can make the good shit tooAI is exclusively used for making slop because nobody using AI is interested in making anything of quality with AI. It's a tool for shitting out shit of "passable" quality, but it's also generic, uninspired, there's no personal touch behind them. You just type a prompt and take whatever the fuck the machine shits out, it's shit done without a care.Take any kind of work you can tell the people behind it just phoned it in and didn't give a shit about what they were making, like any AAA sports game made in the last 10-ish years, would like everything to feel, look and sound like that? Because that's everything ever made with AI.
Reminder that the people leading this technology are unironically enemies of humanity that look at the singularity as a sacred eskhaton and a violent invading force from the future that will destroy the present and the past
>>738613150Pretty much every AI generated output is unique.
>>738612840JUST WATCH TIMMIES, "CHAT GPT MAKING THIS INTO BETTER ENGLISH FOR PIGSKIN BASTARDS"You pathetic Luddite bastards are terrified of the future. AI like ChatGPT is helping me get an H-1B so I can come to your country, take opportunities, and chase the life I want — including dating beautiful white women. Meanwhile, you sit around whining about technology and progress. AI is the future. Indians are the future. And all you bitter anti-tech crybabies are going to be left behind while smarter, harder-working people take over.
>>738613250Yeah but anita sarkeesian was a consultant for a video game so that means we have to back AI
>>738613012Strawman
>>738613213>people upset about crimson desert AI use>whine>they supposed replace bad textures>nobody whines about the other very blatant AI texturesI kek'd and actually liked their use of AI mostly,
>>738612547sure sure the tech is fascinating I'm not denying that but at the end of the day OP's quote btfo'd itself by attempting to defend AI usage by saying that actual artists can create slop too when they>design without intent, or copy other people's styles, or create with any thought or care... the result is slopwhen that's all AI is ever capable of by design
>>738612684no one cares what made up rules you set up for yourselfno one cares what your opinion on the matter isyou are panicking cause you spent your life learning how to draw, and now people, who never held a pen in their hand, can just not waste time with that and go straight to the pointit's like comparing traveling by a bicycle or by a space shipit sucks, i get it, sunk cost fallacy and allcreating with ai something good requires brain, that majority don't have
>>738613284She's on the same team as them, just not schizo about the same handful of things
>>738612979Genuinely I had a coworker who tried to use Gemini to do something very basic. He was writing an email and wanted to "polish it". So he went to Gemini.com and literally just typed "polish this email" into the prompt box (no context, no text, no nothing since he just typed "polish this email" and hit Enter). It didn't work obviously, he got frustrated and called it stupid for not polishing the email it doesn't even see. Considering this was supposed to be a man who works in IT and has done so for years, I'm legitimately astonished at how even using basic consumer grade chatbots is too much for these people to understand. I don't get how this happens.
>>738601813Gooner here, i was looking forward to the endless stream of AI porn coming our way. But now that it's here, it all feels so empty. All the AI models that allow porn, animated, hentai, etc... all have been trained on the same stuff and they all look like the same generic slop. I just cant goon to a futa dick AI copy pasted a thousand times.
>>738613345Nta, I started to be more dedicated in learning to draw because AI pissed me off
>>738605570Myst remakes all kind of suck, but the Riven one is really good, I like how it doesn't even try to replace the original, it feels like it's meant to be played by those who played the original already.
>>738613213you think that cause you are retardedyou have no idea that making shit in local, actual good shit, requires a lot of effort and time, cause you've never done it yourself
>>738612893It’s was genuinely so fucking funny to see pretentious and mediocre artists who charge extortionate amounts for commissions get absolutely BTFO by AI and have a meltdown over it. It’s crazy how it just changed the landscape of the art community overnight.
>>738613329>sure sureAs long as you agree that's good. CNs and loras are seriously black magic, really cool tech. I just wish there was money in it so they kept them all updated and more were made more often. I'd a miracle any of this stuff exists at all honestly.>when that's all AI is ever capable of by designThis is false, you're just biased and pig headed. You literally can't even tell the difference between AI art and human art.
>>738612721>Okay I'll just use this picture as a reference>but I change this thing to make it different>the change being based on something I've seen before...
>>738613302you actually think you can bully the use of more efficient tool with virtue signalling?
>>738613519too bad they're still getting paid
>>738613456Only AI can crafting real art, luddite tranny!!!
>>738613624You think you're using a tool?
A friendly reminder that people once were absolutely certain that gramophones were about to completely ruin music.
>>738613624>efficient tool2 more weeks
>>738612684Every weg is AI already. You'd just be shitting in the river of shit.
>>738613556It's not really black magic, it's just using what's basically the entirety of human knowledge to pull from and predict results based on the user's input. Also what do you mean there's no money in it? There's unfathomably huge amounts sloshing around in these projects, it just takes literal billions to keep them running because they're so absurdly expensive.
>>738613584ai can't do that
>>738613729Correct, the proompter does.
>>738612353Seems to do it pretty well, although I wanted her to do the crab hands and it couldn't seem to figure out what that meant. 2 more weeks.
>>738613658You should be a little more subtle with the stereotypes mate
>>738613684It absolutely did though. Imagine going from real, live music at the theater to shit with the audio quality of a tin can.
>>738613684>AI is the real enemy, say the people whose industry has been taken over by mumblerapping niggers
look, if the 3d modeler gives me a rendering of a boulder and asks me to get the UV map and create a rock texture to fit it, I'm not gonna spend a chunk of my workday just to make that texture by hand if I can generate it in like 10 seconds with AI generative fillare you fucking kidding me
>>738613782>unique
>>738613556>it's le black magic>I wish they'd throw additional trillions into it>ad hominem>strawman>dodges addressing the gist of the posthahaha holy shit you're like a walking caricature of a retarded jeet captivated by jingling keys. amazing
>>738613684Not the same
>>738613519>AI tools release >random AI artists skyrocket in followers, some make serious careers out of it>meanwhile ngmi drawfags seethe violently while they have 85 followers after 15 years of trying>professional career artists panicking, signing petitions, having mental breakdowns because the clock on the end of their payroll is now ticking>>738613625the vast majority of artists that were paid for their work have lost money because of AI because regular people looking for commissions can just ask AI now.>need a book cover? business card art? avatar?>"just ask chatgpt"Even people making ads and trailers have been getting fucked. Hell even Disney axed some of the best CGI techs in the industry because AI does their job now.
>>738613792The only typing I do is on ChatGPT while I taking your job, country, and womans Timmy!
>>738613827We can have multiple enemies. The more the merrier, I say. That way I'm less likely to miss if I don't aim my shots.
>>738613726>>738613854You two have literally no idea what you're talking about. Your IQs are so low that you conflate everything AI to OpenAI. I was talking about open source AI, controlnets released for free.
>>738613782>he really thought it will help his caseyou tasteless faggot bahahaha
>>738613891>lost moneysource?
>>738613892Most jokes are only funny once
>>738613669i know im talking to one.
>>738603126Chuds policy "porper language" more than the worst blue haired tumblrinas
>>738613961>still hasn't addressed the gist of the post he was replying to>doubles down on ad hominems>I-I wasn't atschkualy talking about X, I meant Y!!embarassing. fuck outta here jeet, there are cow dungs to eat
>>738611529No, it doesn't. You're just Newspeak infected retard. Promptly exit from the genepool.
>>738614048Nice response. Shame you didn't write it.
>>738614040Joke? AI is future, not a FUCKING JOKE, TRANNY!!!
>>738613319The majority of whining is performative nonsense.It's no different than the "woke" virtue signaling /v/ loves to rail on. Half the people can't even articulate why they are upset; they just parrot the word 'slop' that they heard from their favorite slop YouTuber.The reality is very few people truly care how the burger is made; just how good it tastes. Arc Raiders is still doing numbers despite AI voices. Crimson Desert, E33. All critically acclaimed games. These were some of the first to get exposed. Who knows what else that hasn't been disclosed. Wait till AI gets normalized as younger generations grow up with it. This is just the noisy adoption period.There are legitimate concerns regarding AIs encroachment in society. But most anti-AI detractors are so juvenile, obnoxious and delusional that I almost take satisfaction in trolling them a little bit.
>>738602127>Except AI is a tool so you dont have to create with any thought or care.There are anons on /g/ who put more care and time into AI images than the average guy drawing their commissions.Generative AI is a very broad term. You can put a simple prompt and get an image or you can go absolute ham with parameters.If what one would categorize art as, is time and effort then some generative AI applications definitely fits that bill.
>>738614030The countless articles, blog entires, tweets, and reddit posts of artists whining about AI contrasted by the larger amount of people praising AI for providing artistic services. Do you think people buying AI subscriptions do so because they get nothing out of it? No, they're making art.Not to mention the court cases against Midjourney and Stability that hinge on artists having lost money.
i watched forsen a few months back and during pre stream there was some talk about ai and he asked "how people make porn and copyrighted chars if everything is censored?"he legitimately was not aware local ai exists, and he is 140iqand you expect plebians here to know?
>>738614235All that just to make generic landscapeslop
>>738613345>no one cares what made up rules you set up for yourselfThese aren't rules. They're truths.The animations I created using ComfyUI weren't my work. If they aren't my work, there's no reason for me to offer them to people interested in my work.This is a basic concept, but enthusiasts of AI art don’t grasp it, they literally lack the capacity for abstraction.They don't understand the social concept behind art, too. They don't understand that art carries meaning, that you can analyze it and discern the artist's unique qualities reflected in it, qualities that, because they are truths grounded in reality, you can study and draw conclusions from.>cause you spent your life learning how to drawAnon, if you start practicing every day starting today, in 6 months you’ll be better than 99% of the world.In 1 year, you’ll be doing things that will make you genuinely proud.In 2 years, you’ll be producing work of decent quality.In 3–4 years, you’ll be at a professional level.That’s not a lifetime.
>>738606410>Despite advacements in the technology over the last 3 years people can still tell if something is made by AIOnly if it's lazy or poorly done.>and they simply don't like itbecause they're trying to fit in with the normalfags
>>738614235>all those nodes>to get some shit you could generate with a couple sentences on some free image generator
>>738614353>I made it but it's not my workwhat a fucking retard you are
>>738601813>Is he right?Obviously. The technology is here now, and it's only going to improve. It's only a matter of time before npcs stop screeching about slop, and AI content warnings disappear, and AI just becomes something that everyone takes for granted.
>>738614279>no sourcealright
>>738602201Imagine thinking you need to have passion for your job to do it.
>>738613816Theaters still play live music
>>738613853Define unique
>>738614408I cited court cases you can read about. And the fired Disney employees.
>>738614384>AI jeet can't read
>>738614235>amazed by a few nodes connected by spaghettithe absolute state of sloppers
>>738614167You can this anon is just taking the piss because he's posting memes someone actually drew
>>738606587Riven remake is more difficult than the original.
>>738614279The funny thing is that you see people talking about an “AI bubble”, telling themselves that AI is going to collapse any day now. It’s an insane cope considering how even office workers use AI to write emails now.
>>738614167GETNEWMATERIAL
>>738614279Who the fuck is supposed to be convinced by this uncanny, puppet movement?
>>738614459the definition is simple but aifag don't understand it
>>738613684And they were right.
>>738613782soul / soulless
>>738614351>>738614365So what you two are saying is that it's the end result that truly matters and not the effort, time or passion of the creator?How would you define "art" then?Is picrel art even though it was ultimately created in five seconds?
>>738614494you didn't
>>738614537It doesn't really matter anyway. The .com bubble didn't mean all websites ceased to exist. It just meant a few companies won and a bunch lost.
>>738614685Yes I did.
>>738614630Not really considering that live concerts are still a thing more than 100 years later and technology improved to the point that music on machines no longer sounds tinny.
>>738614669lmao forgot the image
>>738602201They have the grey, dead souls of middle management. Their ideal world is one in which AI farms trends to learn what to draw, then investigates the optimal setups and prompts, then automatically shits out 300 optimized pictures per day, and they rake in the patreon bucks like rent.
>>738614549Only material I am needing is white woman poose when I getting job using AI to make computer program in texas! Cry Timme maybe if you weren't not luddite you would be like Bharat Chad!
>>738614669its slop
>>738614702where?
>>738614696Yes, but that’s not how they interpret it. They genuinely believe that AI will eventually be gone forever and things will go back to the way they were before. I’d call them naive, but it’s likely that they know this but just want to delude themselves.
>>738614715People always use this and never Fountain by Duchamp, which is the birth of all this shit.
>>738614624All that comes to mind if unique = simple? You are simple
>>738614353artistry is not the physical ability to move pen over paper, you imbecille. it's in your brain, your vision. if you are an artist you should understand that.your so called unique qualities are things you lifted from others while learning how to draw + whatever information and experience was in your brain. the meaning and conclusions can be found in any creation, including stuff made with ai.learning how to draw now in 2026 makes 0 sense, if you care about art learn ai. drawing is like blacksmithing now,
>>738614669Does the piece make you feel something? Does it evoke a feeling? If yes, art. Considering how long someone took to create it generally isn't part of the equation.
>vote with your wallet>no not like that!
>>738607263Not that OP but there are plenty of manual painstaking tasks in the art industry that nobody talks about that are targeted by automation with shit like AINobody wants to spend a week redoing the topology of a 3D model so textures fit right when the models move, for example
>>738614816lol retarded aifag
>>738614801>R .Mutt
>>738614801IIRC, this and the soup can painting where meant to be statements saying how rich fags will interpret anything as art. The banana taped to the wall was the same deal.
>>738614879desu you'd have to be supremely retarded to purchase AI art of even assign a monetary value to it
>>738613515>you have no idea that making shit in local, actual good shit, requires a lot of effort and timeHow is that any different from what I've said?Given enough time, passion and interest anyone could potentially make something good. But people are entirely capable of making slop on their own too. You don't need AI to make slop, but everything made with AI will inevitably be slop.
>>738614715LOOK TIMMYES I AM ARTIST TOO!!!!
>>738606124>stealingYou mean incorporating elements of others' works? Like all "real" artists do?
>>738614965>but everything made with AI will inevitably be slop.because you say so?
>>738602127>>738605908I love how the retards that complain the most about AI have no idea how it works because they just go along with the screeching of the crowd instead of trying it out for themselves and forming an actual educated opinion. You have extremely fine control over the output and there's extremely complicated tools that let you do it. If you guys actually knew anything about art, you'd probably complain about smart materials too because its "texturing without thought." Fucking retards. Enjoy living in the past.
>>738614830Blacksmithing is still important and so is drawing anon, but you're right otherwise.
>>738603126In with the new, out with the old, unc
>>738615050The markets have proven that statement to be almost universally true for now
>>738614715It's artIncredibly shitty artBut still artNo AI image will ever be art no matter how good it looks
>>738606748>Shallowly looking through a large set of data then using it to make up some bullshit that should satisfy the user based on a hit-or-miss interpretation of his question is not "thinking". Especially if it doesn't involve any actual awareness or capability to go "wait, am I sure this is correct?"As much as I get what you mean, many humans also have zero self-awareness or self-reflection and just spit out the first thing that comes to their minds in hope that their boss/family/friends will like what they say on a whim.AI may never be actually intelligent in terms of what we refer to as "consciousness" but it's pretty damn close to what humans are doing.
>itt sloppers sour graping about creators and attempting to steal valor from artists because they think writing bob vagene into a generator makes them an artistnever gets old lmao
>>738614549It would appear that AI fags really don't like being called Indian. I wonder why...
>>738615050It's basically impossible for AI to not generate slop. Leaning from human patterns guarantees it, 90% of everything humanity produces is slop.You'd have to fundamentally change how machine learning works for AI usage to not result in slop.
>>738610574>i am worthless without someone doing the thinking for memany such cases
>>738603126>>738611115i get 90% of my social media fix from 4chan and youre both wrongnormalfags use "techbro" when they want to use a derogatory term for someone trying to sell them some overhyped useless technology 4chan has many terms for evil merchants. the correct 4chanarian lingo would be ai shill or nft shill
>this thread
>>738614940Whoever uses that "argument" has already received that explanation before, that will not stop them from posting it again.
>>738611856correction: left is very bad art, right is not art
Anyone that uses the term "slop" is a mid-wit at best and your opinion will be dismissed. You've been warned.
>>738615243Why? What is your definition of "art"?Practically anything that's done by a human?What about animals?Why does the computer get so much negative special treatment?
>>738615337That's not the whole picture you know, if you only put in the 10% good stuff you still get slop
>>738615480Very cool, Jarshit
>>738614624>define unique>it's simpleAnon, AI creates unique images by definition. It cannot recreate the Mona Lisa stroke for stroke, it can generate something that kind of looks like the Mona Lisa, but it will always be unique. It does not have every image stored in its memory, it has a series of weights and relationships learned from looking at billions of images. Every single AI generate image is unique, by the very definition of the word unique. >>738615243The definition of art is subjective. In the banana case the art is the intent and the message, not the banana or the tape. If the banana taped to a wall is art, someone using AI with intent and a message will be art. Literally anything can be art based on this.I just farted. My fart is art because my intent was to make a funny noise.My point is, art cannot be defined. Art is entirely within the subjective realm of the viewer.
>>738615337you think checkpoints and loras are trained on garbage? the good ones pick the best out of the best. your brain is filled with slop, that true though.
>>738615485Elephants have more of a soul than any third worlder, let alone a computer. Ebin BRÖÖÖÖ
>>738601813Yeah, but AI is not a brush and everyfaggot who unironically push this narrative deserve a rope, not a sales for their shitty slop game
>>738615485That's an interesting question. I don't have a complete answer to it yet, but I think I'm getting close.
>>738613684They were absolutely right. I listen to ancient music on youtube and feel a sense of loss, because i'm worthlessly listening to it from speakers instead of played to me and my people by a talent that i might hear once and then never again. Now it's all garbage in my earphones
>>738615654>a sword is not a gunokay, and?
>>738615609>the good ones pick the best out of the bestAnd the best AI tools still only make slop, so ther's still no proof that AI is capable of outputting anything other than slop.
>>738602127fpbp>>738604973not even the same thing, bugman
>>738615485those elephant paintings are actually done by humans. the human pulls on the elephants ear and the elephant moves its trunk accordingly. youll never see an elephant painting without a human standing in that exact spot
>>738615678>>738613684Being anti-tech is just being anti-white ingenuity https://x.com/BrianRoemmele/status/2051141701046292677
>>738615485>Why does the computer get so much negative special treatment?Because unlike every other artist, the computer needs to copy the works of others instead of drawing inspiration from them.
so are we still getting myst exile remastered
>>738615850>copyLearn how the technology actually works in order to hate it effectively.
>>738615724A gun can be reasonably abstracted as a sword because of its natureAbstracting a setting in a digital drawing program as a brush is even more appropriateAbstracting AI as a brush is just lying
>>738615850it's not unlike every other artist its a tool an artist is using to do whatever they want to do
>>738615847Yes i am Brahmin too SAARvery light skin!
>see the most thought provoking, beautiful piece of artwork>be brought to tears>learn that it was a joint effort between a handicapped human without use of their limbs and a computer, the computer acting as his brush under his explicit direction>"NO! THIS IS NO LONGER ART BECAUSE MY FAVORITE YOUTUBE SAID ITS SLOP!"
>>738615654it literally is a brush
>>738615941>use brush to draw dogart>use AI to generate dogartthey're just tools
>>738615850>the computer needs to copy the works of others instead of drawing inspiration from themIf you could prove how "drawing inspiration" actually works outside of "looking at things and copying it", you could land a job at any tech company right now including the biggest ones.
>>738615971>what if thing that doesn't exist
>>738614830You have a low IQ.>artistry is not the physical ability to move pen over paper, you imbecille. it's in your brain, your visionFirst of all, the word "artistry" isn't the same thing as "art." You start your argument by confusing everything, which is to be expected from someone with a low IQ.Your imagination isn't art. Your vision isn't art. Art is literally the end result."Artistry" is the result of a good artist's work. It's the fucking meaning of the word.If something is on your mind but you haven't turned it into art through some form of skill (including scratching a pencil or pen across a sheet of paper), then you can't speak of art, nor of "artistry".You don't have the mental capacity to understand the meaning of words. You don't have the intellect necessary to discuss more abstract ideas. >learning how to draw now in 2026 makes 0 sense, if you care about art learn ai. drawing is like blacksmithing now,Lol
>>738615971Youtuber? If anything I'm disappointed in how shallow and philosophically barren their arguments are and wish they'd start thinking more deeply about what's wrong with AI
>>738615847>"anti-ai people are furrys">go to ai website>look at models>top model is called "pony mix">because it was made by bronies to make mlp porngetting mixed signals here
I'm sorry I'm just not going to buy your game if it has AI in it.
>>738616021Why? What is the throughline here that makes them the same?
>>738616114shut up retard
>>738615959Based. Only white people on planet are Brahmin. Try Ayan Chads who know future and having sex with any lady. Tranny luddites stay crying.
>>738613519I think the real problem a lot of artists have is their complete lack of creativity. Many were coasting by on releasing maybe two pictures a week of a single girl posing or getting fucked by a faceless guy in a common position. If it was anything complicated, involved, or with any story behind it, AI (at least for the time) would have had some trouble. Those artists are just completely irrelevant now though (although many probably still have a supporter base).
>>738616184It's called pony mix because a rich autistic furry made it. 99.99999999% of the people using it are not furries. Also that model is outdated as hell.
>>738615480What are you going to do about it?
>>738616232people use them to make pictures(meaning they are expressing their minds eye which is what art is), you retard.
>>738614354>Only if it's lazy or poorly doneSo why is no one using it properly? Why isn't anyone putting in any effort for their slop?
>>738613374>So he went to Gemini.com and literally just typed "polish this email" into the prompt box (no context, no text, no nothing since he just typed "polish this email" and hit Enter).I actually don't believe you.
>>738616232Neural networks are named so because they are mimicking the same mechanisms that a brain does.
>>738616401he's going to eat cow dung and pour milk on a demon statue
>>738616438Knowing Gemini it probably literally made the email Polish
>>738616426Has anyone here answered the classic question? You know the one, "If you ask someone else to draw something for you, are you drawing?"
>>738613329To be clearan artist repurposing everyday objects to create their art is acceptable, but repurposing (or better, giving a purpose to) an AI output is impossible?What if I used AI to create a political cartoon?"Zelensky, Trump, and Putin are sitting in a conference room, but Trump is jerking off Putin under the table." Is that art? Clearly, there’s intentional political commentary behind it. “But you didn’t make it, it was the AI!” Yes, following my commands, my direct orders, my inputs... as if I were using a tool. “But you didn’t have complete control over it!” Actually, I did. I could make any adjustments to the image until it was to my liking, or better yet, I could just download the image and edit it manually , move Zelensky a little to the left, place the speech balloons closer to the people talking. How is that different from picking oddly shaped sticks and using them to craft a sculpture?
>>738616438I wish I could have recorded it, but I promise on everything I can that it happened.
>>738615953Except you can't actually make it draw something in [artists] distinct style without feeding it all of [artists] works as training data first.>>738616042The difference is that doing it by hand means you're applying your own touches, be they positive or negative. The machine just copies. I'll start at 8 digits, and I want 35 hour weeks plus 8 weeks paid vacation thank you.
Thread is dead now, but I will leave with this.AI art is art.People who use AI to make art are not artists. At best, they are commissioners. The computer is the artist.
>>738616368>irrelevantWhen did this happen
>>738610307>ludditesStop trying to turn it into a pejorative.
>>738616373whatever you say man
>>738616445So? Unless you're arguing the machine is conscious and is the artist, I don't see how that's relevant.
>>738601813Robyn Miller is absolutely right. I remember when digital tools like photoshop and gimp were first becoming widely used, the same sorts of ignorant fags screeched about it being cheating and not real art and blahblahblah. Now they all use it, there's no more scanned in paper sketches to be found anywhere and if you point out they had this viscerally negative reaction to digital tools now they'll pretend it never happened.Image generators aren't any different because if they just stopped sperging out over them, they'd realize they could download and run models locally then use them to touch up their own 'handmade' art in ways that were never possible before. All without giving a penny to shitty AI companies or promoting the gay and retarded use of datacenters. In fact, I predict this is exactly what will happen and once its widely adopted to take on more commission workload and make bank, the same (probably) bluesky furfags will call you a conspiracy theorist chud for even suggesting they ever disliked AI because that's just how they are and always have been. Also many artists are already doing this and just not telling anyone the shading and lighting was done by AI.
>>738616557No one is in the room with you and your AI program isn't another person. You are a deluded schizo if you disagree that AI is just a tool.
>>738616579>people who use guns are not spearmen, but the meat from slaughtered animal is indeed meato k a y
>>738616579The computer isn't a person, it can't be an artist.
>>738616690It's not just a tool, but nether is it a person. It's a trap. A poison, if you will, for the mind.
>>738616572It doesn't matter how it works. What matters is that it works.>using paint is cheating because someone else mixed the pigments>you didn't make that pencil, you didn't draw that>you didn't develop your film, you're not a real photographerThis is your argument.
>>738616621>search for furshit>find itSimply amazing discovery anon, search works.
>>738616572>Except you can't actually make it draw something in [artists] distinct style without feeding it all of [artists] works as training data first.Just like how a human can't draw a distinct style unless they look at it first, right? I don't get the confusion.>The machine just copies.Show me 1 (one) person who is able to replicate the style of any artist without looking at their art first.
>>738616591VS, Ponpu, Maniacbox, subscribe artists as well judging by their monthly amounts over time.
>artists suck reeeeeee die die diewhat did you train your AI on again?
>>738609704>>738609785>>738609878I did that world last because of this stupid pull lever shit.
>>738616787>things that are totally the same
>>738616776It's a tool and you're mentally handicapped.>>738616890>retard that doesn't know what logic is
>>738616865>Just like how a human can't draw a distinct style unless they look at it first, right?What?Then all art styles have existed since forever or what
>>738616890Facts don't care about your feelings sweetie
>>738616579>ordering a coca cola can from a soda vending machine makes you a coca cola manufacturerabsolute state
>>738616874good artists do not suck, models are trained on themthe ones who complain the most are usually not the good ones
>>738616572I doubt you're intelligent enough to be reasoned with but you should learn how to use local AI. It doesn't copy shit and you can do a trillion things to add your own personal touch.
its funny how ai friends can't cope with people not accepting them
>>738616787I like how you ignored the part that necessitates stealing peoples artwork to use it as training data. Unsurprisingly most people don't like getting fucked over like that.
>>738616858original claim: only anti ai fags are furriescurrent claim: you may have found the ai furries but uhhhhhhhhh they dont count because you searched for them!!!
>>738616914>they are totally the same>>738616941No feelings involved
>>738617008Because it doesn't matter. People "steal" ideas from others just like the sky is blue. Irrelevant. All artists have """stolen""" from others.>>738617051Exactly the same logic.
>>738616993it's the history of humanitypeople are like cd-r disks, not capable of changingthe new generation of humans will consider ai normal and accept, don't worry
>>738616936>Except you can't actually make it draw something in [artists] distinct style without feeding it all of [artists] works as training data first.>Just like how a human can't draw a distinct style unless they look at it first, right? I don't get the confusion.Is it possible to imitate the art style of the Simpsons without looking at it first?
>>738617019>original claim: only anti ai fags are furriesIf that was stated then it is false. It is a fact that many anti-AI people are furries though, I would honestly wager that most of them are going by twitter but I guess that's a bold claim.There are lots of furries that use AI but they're a tiny minority of people using AI. That model you brought up is a great example of that since like I said most of the generations weren't furshit.
>>738617083>studying a style is the same thing as photocopying itUh huh
>>738616671This.I remember the emergence of photoshop also sent people into overdrive that>now I won't be able to tell what is real and what isn't! I could be edited into any situation, it's dangerous!and yet if you ask the exact same people about AI while pointing out photoshop they'll actively deny that they were ever scared of photoshop.
>>738617164It doesn't matter. The intent and end result is what matters. I don't care if you do it efficiently or inefficiently.
>>738617090What, you think every AI hater is a boomer now?
>>738616971Read my comment again. We agree.
>>738617236>. I don't careI can tell
>>738617192>I remember the emergence of photoshopYou weren't even alive when photoshop was made. You could always tell if something was shooped back then.
>>738617294I wasn't dead either
>>738617261I did critically misread that lol, sorry
>>738617294Nta, does it matter if you can tell?
>>738617192Well people are still calling out others that photoshop their pictures
>>738616975how do you become a good artist again? perhaps... by being a bad one first?
>>738617281Concession accepted.>>738617294>missing the point>ignoring that most people couldn't and that most people never learned what airbrushing means
>>738617407Don't bother, ge gave up when he was bad at it so all you'll get from that line of questioning is a bunch of slurs
>>738614801because the fountain was a criticism against the ready made...
>>738601813only normalfags like aislop>E33slop>arc raiders slop>NTE gacha+slop>crimson desertslopall games made for normalcattle
>>738617471You AI jeets can't go a single day without lying.
>>738614940the fact that the banana is titled "the comedian" really hammers that statement down
>>738616868who?
>>738617294>You weren't even alive when photoshop was made.Programs didn't explode unto the world in terms of popularity immediately after release, especially in the 90s.>You could always tell if something was shooped back then.Yes, and it got gradually better to the point that good shopped images are akin to real photos. But that wasn't my point.It's the exact same discussion with AI.>>738617384That's fair, although it only comes up when you photoshop yourself and not -say- remove an out of focus bird from a landscape.
>>738617384You dumb fuck, holy shit just nuke us please its over.
>>738601813He's right and I'm tired of people pretending any different.I would rather have an IA than an Indian working on anything.
>>738617823It's not the same discussion though is it?Photoshop got better because people figured put how to use it, AI got better because they threw more money at the tech
>>738617471Your concession? I mean if you think admitting you don't care about the creation process and just getting results is a good argument well I can't stop you.
>>738617728No it wasn't. It was a criticism against pretentious art faggots.
>>738617294>>738617384The point is that the photoshop situation was>OMG! IT'S PHOTOSHOP! YOU MONSTER! YOU'RE RUINING REALITY! JUST USE A CAMERA WITHOUT EDITING IT!and it simply became>Oh, that image is photoshop? Huh, fooled me.Which is seemingly happening again with AI.Time is a circle.
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>>738616431Tons of people do. You only notice the stuff you notice, the shitty quality work. You don't notice when you don't notice. Get it?
>>738617914Hold up, hold the fuck up because I don't think either of you understand how it applies to art. When you buy a drawing tablet, it comes with photoshop because you use it to DRAW primarily. If you screw up proportions on the leg of your gigafuta Rouge the hegehog fan art, the tools were very useful because you could use it to reshape without having to redraw the entire thing. This is why it became the gold standard for artists for so long. Yeah, it could also be used to make unauthorized edits of other peoples work, or photos, but that wasn't the main contention. It was how it made art significantly easier and less time consuming to make.
>>738617974The creation process is the same, retard. A person is doing something.
>>738618193I don't see why that relates?
>>738618271>The creation process is the samelol ok
>>738608684You already have.
>>738618318I didn't expect you would, no, just drink your juicebox and carry on I guess.
>>738618271>A person is doing somethingHuh
>>73860629099.9% of people working on modern videogames and most modern media in general are not artists, they're grunts churning out derivative shit that has been done 1000 times before.They are no more of an artist than a bricklayer building modern purpose built homes for the masses.
>>738618404I can't even tell which side of this issue you think I'm on
>>738618318Because a cornered jeet will start piling on irrelevant flowery nonsense rather than admit defeat. It's an izzat thing.
>>738618493I don't think that's what this, I think he's just confused
>>738618271LOL!
>>738618658>WhatVery reasonable response
>>738618658It's funnier when it also has the comment about him pinging the entirery of github with that retarded nonsense.
>>738618454>are not artistsIt really shows. The best actual artists didn't even necessarily go to art school at all, they have practical degrees in engineering, architecture and biology that informed the art they created. This also made them expensive to hire to do concept art and there's been this quiet war against them in favor of just hiring some calarts fag for pennies instead. The common thread in the art style of all these uncanny valley looking games like mixtape, concord, marathon and highguard is they didn't even bother with a skilled concept artist. So you look at it and your brains subconscious just sees superfluous nonsense everywhere and is repulsed by it. But you look at a similar game from the past like Titanfall 2, you can tell what every part of the big robot does just by looking at it, its convincing and doesn't trigger that instinctual revulsion you have towards something that just shouldn't exist like the marathon robots and characters.
>>738618986AI will only make it worse
>>738618986Floppenfall 2 is not a robot game
