>try out Star Fox 64 after the remake announcement>it's a ton of fun>try out the rest of the games>they're all mostly gimmick shit with forced gimmick controlsI'm starting to understand now why Nintendo chooses to rehash 64 a billion times. It's the only good Star Fox game.
I like Assault....
>>738605716exactly, Starfox basically boils down to those who love Starfox 64, and Adventures&Assault apologists.
yeah.they made the perfect game, with the perfect format to BUILD UPON... And they just don't do that. Star fox could be that one cool arcade rail-shooter game series with the occasional all-range mode with branching paths depending on what you do... But we don't get that for whatever reason.I KNOW it's the perfect game 'cuz nintendo keeps remastering the fucking thing.
Nintendo should kill Star Fox and just focus on Sin & Punishment
>>738606531and its weird because this is the only series they seem to be unable to iterate upon. I thought Nintendo were supposed to be geniuses at game design?
>>738606602nah, treasure's dead and no one else could follow it upnext best option is kid icarus uprising 2in fact kiu had the perfect formula for a star fox game
There are 2 ways to make Star Fox work in 20261. A roguelite version where you get different powers and take different paths, making it very hard to get to the end as you gain progression via unlocks2. Ratchet & Clank rip off where you have 3rd person platforming gameplay on the planets, and there are flying missions between the planets and on some of them.They are lazy and choose neither of them.
>>738606638>and its weird because this is the only series they seem to be unable to iterate upon. I thought Nintendo were supposed to be geniuses at game design?Nutendo iterations are overly safe pseudo-remakes. They need to lose bad to do ballsy shit like Kid Icarus Uprising
>>738606845They don't have to do that, they can literally just work with 64's format but make new levels.But they don't make new levels, they LITERALLY just do 64 again and release it.
>>738606969No one is buying a generic on-rail shooter in 2026 bro.
>>738607001Then why remake 64?
>>738606845>roguelite
>>738607001zoomers don't even know what a rail shooter is in 2026, you can't call it generic.I have seen people play starfox 64 for the first time and really REALLY enjoy it too, star fox 64 is GOOD and deserves the hype. There's nothing wrong with it.
>>738605716>I'm starting to understand now why Nintendo chooses to rehash 64 a billion times. It's the only good Star Fox game.yea. we don't want star fox 64 a million times, we just want a good star fox game again
64's the best one, but Assault's a good game. Command's too repetitive but it's ok.Adventures is ass, but these days you can play the PC port of the better N64 version.
>>738607045It may have been generic some 30 years ago but today it's a vintage retro throwback
>>738607136Ok, it's 1 hour long, though. They need to make it harder and add unlockables that make you stronger.
>>738606638>I thought Nintendo were supposed to be geniuses at game design?you thought wrong. Miyamoto is a hack who should retire alreadyHe won't let another f-zero game be made because Sega did a better job than nintendo at it
>>738607217It's not an hour long though, you can go through it again and- they literally showcased this in the direct.You can go through the game again and go on a different path if you do things differently.
>>738607001star fox remake is selling millions already retard
>>738607294Ok, but it would be better if it was really hard to make it through and you unlocked more things and got stronger by trying different paths. Replaying a game you already beat is retarded.
>>738607217no one cares about padding game length anymore. we all like short tight games nowadays
>>738607372have you played 64?
>>738607372>Replaying a game you already beat is retarded.terrible bait
>>738605881You're out of line. If 64 is a 9/10, Assault is an 8. Do not put Assault and Adventures in the same breath.
>>738607469>>738607446>>738607403>>738607306>>738607294You are the reason they keep re-releasing the same mediocre game over and over for full price. Just KYS so we can get good games, please.
>>738607372>Replaying a game you already beat is retarded.Zoom zoom
>>738607536>You are the reason they keep re-releasing the same mediocre game over and over for full price.nope, its your fault for being retarded
>>738607497Agreed.
>>738607497>Assault is an 8.7
>>738605716They had it right with Starfox 2 thirty years ago: just make a level pack with new set pieces and new things to interact with the existing controls.
>>738607536>you have to make it an entire different genre >you can't just make an actual sequelkillllll yourself
>>738607536You should go play 64 at least if you haven't played it.
>>738607609if they just did star fox 64 2 we all would have been saved from star fox purgatory
>>738607497>>738607591A 6/10. 6.7 at most. It leaves a lot to be desired and. Is just depressing with what we got off of adventures.
>>738608036assault 2 on wii with superior aiming would have sold millionsnintendo is retarded
this always bothered me with nintendo, they are very stubborn about doing something completely new every time and adding in a new gimmick by throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
>>738608103Where did you get that fact from? If nintendo really had any faith in assault we would have had it re-released by now. Nintendo also made a shit ton of money from wii without starfox so they got the last laugh.
>someone on /v/ says something stupid>engage with them>they're not THAT stupid, they just need the facts pointed out to them>no, they really are that stupid
>>738608327gamecube was dead in 2005 and assault sold 1 million copies. assault 2 on wii which had millions of units sold would have sold more, duh
>>738608103>zero on switch with superior aiming would have sold millionsDo you agree with this?
>>738608402assault could've been a genuine challenger to halo 2 and it would have still not done well because the gamecube had poor traction and was leaving expensive games to die
>>738606845>rogueslop
>>738608402>gamecube was dead in 2005 and assault sold 1 million copies.I can guarantee you that it did not. Provide proof or shut up with the sales nonsense.
>>738608649you retarded?
>>738608585>assault could've been a genuine challenger to halo 2
>>738605716Playing the original SNES fox with 300% overclock on Snes9x is a wildly different experienceEverything is so fucking fast but I do really like that it's forcing me to adopt better habits like tilting left and right to move faster in their corresponding direction. This series really shines when you feel like you're actually mastering a spacecraft in demanding levels. Playing on hard mode on the Star Fox EX romhack def makes me feel more attentive where I can't rely of laser powerups as crutches.
>>738608507>Do you agree with this?duh. every piece of shit wiiu game sold millions on switch
>>738608585This is why I cant take assaultfags seriously. Shilling for their favorite star fox game is one thing but deluding themselves to think assault is a contender for being among the best games period is pathetic. If it really as good as you think it was how come Namco or any othrr company tried making their own star fox assault ripoff?
Only emutrannys with their browmulators hate gimmick controls because they are lazy fatties who are forced to find workarounds to deal with them
>>738606845I bet variations of #2 have been proposed for 20 years by Nintendo devs and Miyamoto has shot down all of them because he's retarded.We won't get a good Star Fox game until Miyamoto is dead.
>>738608749Thank you for providing a fan made image that doesn't cite anything. You must not be an academic. Here is my source. Feel free to state your issues with it.https://www.installbaseforum.com/forums/threads/nintendo-software-and-hardware-sales-data-from-1983-to-present.170/
>>738608774Speaking of, one thing I always found interesting about the SNES game is the difference between the routes. The first and second ones are pretty easy, I can beat them without losing a life or using a bomb and I’m not exactly good at games, but the third route is actually pretty challenging. It’s not a complaint, it’s just surprising.
>>738608951the information is the same...
>>738608820Because it's pure delusion. They have been hyper critical of superior games, games that aren't even contender for best game ever.
>>738609037Find me any sales numbers for titles that sold less than star fox 64 3D from that site.
>>738605716And the only one people give a shit about. Yet everywhere there are people crying about Nintendo not continuing the story or just doing something completely and utterly different with the series.
>>738605881Or. You know. You can love 64, and find Asaault at pretty great and Zero as a decent. While Adventures and Command exist.Stop being a nigger and trying to divide the fanbase.
When people say make assault 2 is it just a simple minded suggestion of "make assault but better" without any actual idea or direction for how it should be better?
>>738609231>and Zero as a decentlol
>>738609231Assault is pretty bad. At least worse than adventures and command.
>>738607372>this is your brainrot on rogue-lite>and only rogue-liteIncredibly fucking depressing and grim.Amazing how one genre ruined a generation
Star Fox is dead because Miyamoto refuses to move on from the arcade formula. You can't charge full price for a simple 2 hour rail shooter in the current year and expect it to do well. It's not the 90s anymore. Star Fox 64 did well because the standards were different back then and local multiplayer had a lot more staying power.Remaking 64 yet again is an absolutely moronic choice and I don't expect it to do well. Ideally it would do well enough for Nintendo to follow up with an actually new game that takes risks, but they will probably just shelve the franchise for another decade.
>>738609338Still scored higher than assault.
>>738609283When people say make 64 2 is it just a simple minded suggestion of "make 64 but better" without any actual idea or direction for how it should be better?
>>738608820>Namco or any other company tried making their own star fox assault ripoff?never heard of ace combat?
>>738609338>>738609231Zero is better than Assault
>>738609338>didn't play it>>738609349It isn't. At all.
>>738609452Ace combat plays nothing like assault. Before you claim that Ace combat team worked on assault no they didnt that was the klonoa team. Wahoo!
>>738608951I've got sources that indicate it sold 900k at minimum. Probably fell just short of the 1M mark.
>>738609349It's impossible to be as bad as Adventures, not even Command is that bad.
>>738605716I'm an idiot who's somehow never played Star Fox 64 past the first stage despite beating Assault, Command, and Adventures as a kid.Do I play the original N64 version via emulation or is the 3DS version acceptable? I'm sure there's a recomp by now but for some reason I've convinced myself that emulation is more "genuine," shit framerates and all
>>738609483Assault is the weakest star fox games that took place after 64. It had the worst reviews, sold poorly, and left the most negative impact on the series.
>>738607372>Win one game of Counter-Strike and close it foreverStop wasting your energy on thinking about how make games you don't understand "better"
>>738609412>>738609453>>738609483Clownshoes. I'll take my weird multiplayer game with a 7/10 story mode over Star Fox 64 2: Half these levels are dogshit edition.
>>738609630>Assault is the [headcanon]
Star Fox is the only franchise that can repeatedly remake the first game forever and fans will eat it up no matter what while at the same time shitting on any attempt to experiment or evolve the formula.
play the PC port
>>738609607The recompilation set to N64 accurate settings is closer to native than emulation, numbskull.
>>73860970264fags are genuinely psychotic, yes. The funny thing is that they don't actually buy any of these remakes and always come up with excuses.>Um... I'm not buying a 3DS>Um... I'm not buying a Wii U>Um... I'm not buying a Switch 2
>>738609537Great! Mind sharing them here?>>738609556How is adventures worse? It's the third best selling game in the series, had scores averaging in the 80s, and even was given recognition by nintendo in the star fox direct.
>>738608820>for being among the best gamesWhat, all four Star Fox games?
>>738609630>muh reviews, muh salesWhy are so many of you mindless sheep? Neither of these are truly indicative of game quality. Talk about the actual fucking game and its flaws or shut up.
>>738609735it has a pc port? an QoL improvements?
>>738609702>Star Fox is the only franchise that can repeatedly remake the first game forever and fans will eat it up no matterthey wont tho? see>>738608749even the 3d remake of star fox 64 only sold 1/4th what w64 sold. Nintendo keeps forcing gimmicks on star fox when fans just want a basic rail shooter
>>738607609But Star Fox 2 isn't a level pack, it's an RTS-lite with sim dogfights and dungeon exploration. It's really different from SF1.
>>738609702>fans will eat it upNo??? Everyone fucking hated zero.>>738609776>they'll eat it up but they won't buy the consoles to eat it upThat's what you call "not eating it up"
>>738609776>psychoticbased, you mean. they won't settle for inferior products
>>738609701I can show you the aggregated review scores if you want. The sales figures was already posted proving it never got reported selling over 1 million games.
>>738609702They've only made one actual sequel and it was on the Wii U. The formula has never evolved
>>738609924>They've only made one actual sequel>2>adventure>assault>command???
>>738609834>Nintendo keeps forcing gimmicks on star fox when fans just want a basic rail shooterJust like Paper Mario fans keep getting forced gimmicks when they just want a basic turn based RPG. It doesn't matter what fans want, Nintendo will do whatever the fuck they want and make fans accept it.
>>738609702>and fans will eat it upThat's the thing though, they're not. Nobody's buying the games anymore lol.I doubt this remake will do well either.There's a timeline where Miyamoto died of a stroke and a young Nintendo dev came up with an innovative Star Fox game with fresh but faithful visuals, but sadly we live in the slop timeline.
>>738609805Besides similar settings how in any way are star fox, star fox 64, and star fox zero remotely the same game?
>>738609981Star fox 2 is the only sequel that was actually good.
>>738609924Zero is still a remake, fag
Remake is going to be the best game since 64.People can then argue whether it surpasses the original.Nintendo really needs to do a proper sequel with rehashed mechanics.No gimmicks.Assault, Command, Zero all suck ass.
>>738609813>Why are so many of you mindless sheep?Im providing proof that assault is objectively the weakest game in the series. What is your evidence to refute these?
>>738609793It's the first one you find on Google, I know you know what it is: Nichebarrier and NPD. The morons who transcribed the NPD info didn't grab a wayback archive, sadly, so we have to go a bit on faith with that one. Euro sales I can't find hard numbers anywhere.
>>738610123If you can't actually spell out the game's flaws and can only cite numbers like a robot, you're not worth listening to.
>>738610123weak reviews doesn't mean something sucks.fire walk with me was review-bombed when it first came out but everyone came around to it later, seeing it as one of Lynch's greatest works ever.
>>738610074Star fox zero is not a remake but a reimagining. Remake is making what is fundamentally the same game with various changes that doesn't change the core of what the original installment was. The star fox direct blatantly stated the levels and gameplay gor the new star fox remain largely the same as 64.
>>738608036SIX SEVEN
>>738609889No, you're not based. Just because you tried calling yourself based, you will never be based. You will always be a cretin.
>>738610248Why did you not provide actual evidence?
>>738605716They just never knew what to do with the franchise to expand it beyond just a simple arcade shoot em up. I think they should try something in the vein of Star Fox 2 and Command except you can explore the entire Lylat System open and seamlessly. There can be on foot missions and different vehicles and stuff with different quests objectives instead of the short little segments.
>>738607536>the same mediocre gameSF64 is by far the best game in the series and the reason why they keep trying to remaster, reimagine and now remake it is because even Nintendo knows that all of their other efforts at branching the series (Assault, Command, Zero) have been mediocre. They're pretty much rebooting the entire series starting with the most popular one while adding a whole ton of new content, and considering it's already selling out in Amazon preorders, we can bet that it will do decently well for a franchise that is probably even more niche than Metroid.
>>738610423>TheyYou mean Miyamoto.
>>738609981Half of those are IP skinwalkers
>>738610123>Im providing proof that assault is objectively the weakest game in the series.I played command, you obviously have not
>>738610379I'm a 64 fag and a Krytalfag. now what?
>>738610423I guarantee Nintendo has tried to do this several times but Miyamoto always flips the table over and forces them to remake 64 again with new shitty gimmicks.
>>738610423>They just never knew what to do with the franchise to expand it beyond just a simple arcade shoot em up.thats the problem. no need to expand
>>738610689i mean, they might as well, if they're gonna release another game for the series.
>>738610258I can name several>Shooting mechanics are subpar for thr genre even at the time >controls were not good>characrer movements felt stiff>vehicle physics are floaty, slow and collision is not good>multiplayer lacks bots and variety in game modes>multiplayer is not balanced at all>maps too large for ground combat and too small for vehicle combat>campaign was hastily put together using multiplayer assets>story wasnt great when you actually pay attention to it>villains are bland>characters and script were bland and stiff. >unimpressive visuals>sound effects suck.These are just a few.
>>738608760He's clearly posing a hypothetical retardo
>>738610636You're a furry
>>738610423nintendo just sucks at scifi. There is apparently no FTL in this universe so all fox can ever do is camp the lylat system
>>738605716>try out Star Fox 64 after the remake announcementhow are there people here who havent played the original yet?anyway im glad you liked it.
>>738610764good job anon.
>>738610550Command was good for what it eas. It was a small scope handheld title based on ideas from star fox 2. It was not meant to compete with home console titles. Command wasnt a massive disappointment for nintendo sinxe they went back to the same developers to make the next installment star fox 64 3D. Assault meanwhile led to a decade long hiatus of star fox games on home consoles until zero came out. Assault's lasting legacy was series declining after adventures which saw a drop from 64 but left the series in a still salvagable state.
>>738605854That's fine, as long as you don't pretend Assault is anything but dogshit.
>>738611036>It was a small scope handheld title based on ideas from star fox 2.fuck no. Kid Icarus uprising showed up all how to do a handheld star fox with touch controls. command is ass
>>738610274>Resident Evil>Final Fantasy
>>738606531They did build on it, and you all despised it. Adventure, Assault, Command, all continued the story, all expanded the characters, all did new things, and the disdain and hatred was palpable. No wonder Nintendo always remakes 64, it's the only one the fans care about.
>>738607497>Assault is an 8You're a fucking liar of your taste is dogshit. There was ONE decent level in Assault and it was the first level. This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpMe-t9R8cMIf the rest of the game was this good, it would be an 8.
>>738611317You're realize even uprising struggled to surpass 1 million sales despite all thr hype and marketing that went into it.
I have never found Krystal attractive and her game was so wildly off-base of what Star Fox is about I honestly think it killed the whole franchise beyond recovery
>>738611346That level looks so boring. All you do is drift left and right in space in bland space battles in the background while fortuna looks like ass. The arwing even moves so weird like it has no physics at all.
>>738611521and somehow it was the best level
>>738605716>Star Fox 64 has Arwing sections, tank sections, and on-foot in multiplayer>Fans love it>Star Fox Assault has Arwing sections, tanks sections, and on-foot in the campaign>Fans hate itWhat is your problem again?
>>738611520Krystal also isnt even a good character in the star fox series. Besides looking pretty she doesn't stand out in any meaningful way where people can clearly know who she is as a person. For comparison we all have pretty clear ideas what the other characters are like and how they interact with one another from their various appearances.
>>738611339>Adventurethat wasn't even a star fox game originally anon, talk about arguing in bad faith
>>738609818I didn’t fiddle with it too much since i hadn’t played it in ages. But obviously:>16:9 resolutions>60fps>better or actual AAActually I thought the port made it too easy
>>738611346Assault is a passible game for the first 5 levels.I even think Fichina is a good showcase of almost all gameplay styles in one mission.Its very clear they've run out of money and time afterwards. Levels suddenly stop featuring bossfights, an increasing focus on the shooter style so they could repurpose multiplayer maps, Orbital Gate feels barely slapped together before they submit you to cock and ball torture with the aparoid homeworld
>>738606845that was gamecube and failed an ip game about topgun furries in spaceship should be spaceship onry
>>738611670That doesn't change the fact it became one.
>>738611705Ace Combat company had no excuse to make such a dogshit game.
>>738611571The amount of each kind of level. You play Star Fox to be a furry in a space jet. Other ways of shooting are good for variety, but they shouldn't upstage the main one.
>>738611346Goddamn, I forgot how absolutely dogshit the voice acting was!
I honestly think a simple arcade shoot 'em up is all Star Fox has to be.Just make new levels with neat bosses. The occasional All-Range mode mission, and team-up.Stop it with the rehashes and stupid gimmicks.
>>738611567That just makes it even sadder. It also is the one where the main antagonist barely is present. >>738611571To sum it up 64 had the campaign as the main focus with multiplayer being a secondary focus, while assault was the opposite. It's apparent the vehicles in 64 feel snapper and better to control. Landmaster and Blur marine also control largely similar to the arwing with minor differences. On foot in the multiplayer was a small part of the game and more of a gimmick than anything substantial to the 64 package. No one bought 64 for the multiplayer. Meanwhile assault you can tell things were made for the multiplayer first. Due to that and the multiplayer itself being far from great, things suffered a lot when making a campaign from it. The landmaster is also all range and it plays so bad that I almost never use it. The hover especially is so slow and clunky.
>be nintendo intern>just got the star fox file from miyamoto's office (it always smells like weed)>look inside>it's star fox 64......again........but with a gimmick>new! new spasm detection feature! shove the switch controller up your butt to control the speed and direction of the arwing! promotes physical activity and rectal health>if I give this to furukawa, he WILL shoot the messenger and force me to commit seppuku for trying to dishonor miyamoto-san>sigh and rip that page out, then scribble something about face trackingat least it's better than my time at game freak. it's really hard to pull bugs out of your anus
>>738611808They weren't involved with assault at all. Blame the people who made klonoa.
>>738610406Probably because of this?>It's the first one you find on Google, I know you know what it isHere's the nichebarrier link, btwhttps://nichebarrier.com/game/11028-star-fox-assault
>>738605716I wouldn't mind if they rehashed 64 and expanded on it but they refuse to do that too, instead they just remake 64 (which is a remake of SNES SF) and keep the same tiny scope so you get the worst of both worlds with the SF series
>>73861157199% of people probably never saw the on foot multiplayer option because you had to unlock it. back in the day it was a lame bonus to unlock for all the work it took. anything would have been better. unlocking enemy ships would have been cool even handicap ships that die in a few hits or even one.its too far removed from the core gameplay. the arwing and tank go forward at all times unless youre in all range mode. most people who want that or like that arent wanting to play a 3rd person shooter game which is going to control worse than a game thats dedicated to that one thing. i fucked around with it here and there for a few minutes and played it with my friend maybe once. plus a lot of the appeal of starfox is the enemy ships and robots. shooting the soldiers on foot doesnt have the same appeal because they look dumb. its better to keep them as voice over characters. literally no one back in the day was playing starfox 64 because of the on foot combat.
>>738605716>I'm starting to understand now why Nintendo chooses to rehash 64 a billion times. It's the only good Star Fox game.have you considered that they could make a new game that plays like starfox 64 instead of just remaking the lylat wars every decade or so
>>738611865The compressed voice soundclips are really bad. They're even worse than in star fox 64 which at least sounded youre hearing someone talk from the radio.
>>738611996>Miyamoto got a random furry team to make Assault rather than the people who know about aerial combatThis man is a saboteur.
>>738611339ah yes, star fox adventure, assault and command. all my favorite rail shooters.
>>738611996I know you can fucking read, I said Ace Combat company, not Ace Combat Team/Project Aces
>>738612026>remake 64 (which is a remake of SNES SFThey're two different games. All the levels and how you get to them are different.
>>738607497I haven't played it in probably 18 years but back then I think I gave it a 6 fox felt stiff to control and the aiming was weird.
>>738611868I wonder who is in charge of Star Fox these days. I think they really got completely off the rails when Miyamoto demanded that the follow-up to 64 be an action-adventure game, which then later got merged with Rare's Dinosaur Planet. I have absolutely no idea why that decision was made.
>>738612010>Niche Barrier archives Famitsu, COMG! and Amazon.co.jp sales data. Your research starts here.The installbase link used nintendo's own fiscal reports. The secondhand information the niche barrier has makes it not as reliable. The sales for assault also look disappointing compared to what came before it despite it being made specifically to pander to the japsnese audience.
>>738605881I hope Nintendo gives Assault the treatment they're giving 64 right now.
>>738612149it's a remake anon, just a more comprehensive one but like star fox SNES star fox 64 is based on the lylat wars.
>>738612145Then why not just say namco?
>>738612287I really hope not. No one is going to play a multiplayer star fox on foot shooter especially these days.
>>738611346People cut Assault slack not just because it was the only SF game after 64 that had even a glimpse of classic SF gameplay in it, but also because the multiplayer was actually really fun with friends, and had a surprising amount of effort put into it. Yeah if you are comparing it to 64 as a classic starfox game you are right to shit on it, but it had just enough upside to deserve a little bit of respect in certain aspects
>>738612350Because, simpleton, I wanted to make the Ace Combat point. I'm fucking saying Namco got to make a star fox game and farmed it out to some dogshit team when a solid fucking team that could have made gold was right there. Shouldn't have to spell it out beyond what I already did there.
>>738612415It could be good now
>>738612347They're vastly different games with a recycled premise. Take story out and have some random person not aware of star fox play both and they'll say they're vastly different games.
>>738612491>They're vastly different gamesThey are both rail shooters.
>>738612491correct, that's what a remake is anon. You are thinking of a remaster, which is the same game but with a fresh coat of paint. Star Fox 643D and Star Fox 64 Switch 2 are both remasters, where something the REmakes, FF7R and Star Fox 64 are remakes.
>>738612475I think youre overhyping Namco as a game studio especially back then. Namco were doing really bad in the early 2000s and were squandering various other titles besides star fox. There is a reason why they were desperate for some company to merge with them, eventually bring Bandai, and monolithsoft were more than willing to ditch Namco in favor of Nintendo shortly after.
>>738612606Switch 2 looks more like a remake than a remaster.
>>73860588164 is 10/10Advenures is not a star fox game but 8/10 for being soulful as fuck Assault is like a 7/10 (ign boost 9/10)Command killed the franchise by going full retard the samw year as sonic 06
>>738612472Similar things can be said for pretty much any gamecube game with a multiplayer mode. Star fox assault will always be remembered for doing some things different instead of doing those different things good.
>>738612703it's literally the same game with a fresh coat of paint anon. same mechanics, same levels.
>>738612738>Command killed the franchise by going full retard the samw year as sonic 06How could a small, low budget title on a handheld possibly have killed an entire series? If a game like command could have done such a thing then assault definitely wasn't a 7/10 game.
I tried playing Star Fox Zero today, i owned for years after it became clarence bin filling but never bothered checking out, and... I'm fucking blaffled at how hard they fucked upI actually sorta liked the Gyro controls on the 3DS, but the Wii U has this thing where you need to reset it every ten seconds, i don't remember Splatoon being this bad? The game forces you to keep switching between the control screen and TV screen because looking at the TV you can't aim at shit, but with the Wii pad you can't see where the hell your ship and the enemies are going and coming from. So it becomes this mess where you meed to 1. Spot the enemy, 2. Make the deliberate choice between usimg the analog or the gyro, 3. Decide what screen you will use and 4. Remember to recenter the point during ALL of the gameplay. It's like they made aiming harder than it actually was just to justify the gamepad?
>>738606845JUST MAKE ANOTHER RAILSHOOTER YOU STUPID FAGGOT
>>738612653I'm not overhyping Namco. There had been 5 great Ace Combat games before they released Assault (two on the PS2). They followed that with making another great Ace Combat game. In fact Namco making Ace Combat was the reason I was so excited for Assault. Imagine my surprise picking it up day one and seeing it was an absolute turd!
>>738612285>The installbase link used nintendo's own fiscal reports. The secondhand information the niche barrier has makes it not as reliable.The installbase post *doesn't have sales info for Assault at all.* You autistic or just being a jackass for fun?
>>738612809I still think it is more of a remake but im not going to continue this back and forth since the pure definitions can be blurry and ambiguous at times. I'll just end it by saying I can see where you're coming from and we'll have to wait for the game to come out to really know what exactly it is. Im not going to fall for some shit like final fantasy 7 remake again.
>>738612970you'd think a star fox game but every level is an all range mode mission in the style of ace combat would've been a slam dunk. shame
>>738612908>i don't remember Splatoon being this bad?Splatoon lets you fine tune with the right stick. Zero doesn't.
>>738612908You'll find much more joy just sticking to one viewpoint, either third person or first person. You can aim fine only in third person and only a handful of times does it force you to look at the other perspective. Once you realize you dont need to use both views the game plays a lot better. There is also a training mode.
if you can tolerate the controls, Kid Icarus Uprising is the best Star Fox game. This upsets the Starfoxbros
>>738605716Yeah, 64 really is the only good game in the series.If I were Nintendo, I'd have Platinum make a new Star Fox game akin to 64, and release it for like, $30-40.
64 is indeed the only good star fox game. Star Fox 2 is also acceptable.
>>738613102eh you'd have a point of the whole game was the on rail shooter bits, but alot of the game is the boots on the ground action shooter stuff. both styles were pretty good though.
>>738611996>https://www.ign.com/articles/2002/05/08/namco-brings-gcn-support>he game is being developed by the same folks at Namco who brought us Ace Combat 2 for the PS2; footage of Ace Combat 2 running on the PS2 was shown to highlight the team`s past efforts.
>>738612970To be fair assault started development with it intended to not being like ace combat at all. Nintendo approached Namco to make a multiplayer shooter star fox game and it was that way for a while until negative reception forced them to make a campaign. If nintendo went to Namco to essentially make an ace combat game the game would be so different it wouldnt even be assault anymore. You cant expect them to develop a game for years then abruptly decide to bring in the ace combat team to make it play like it at the last minute when the gamecube was declining and the Bandai merger was approaching.
>>738606845They just have to do another damn entry, jesus, why are you so mentally ill? Just develop the Starfox 2 reboot equivalent just like 64 was for the SNES. More of the same style, but another story and stuff. Why it has to be dogshit?
>>738612801Nobody gives a single fuck about metroid prime 2s multiplayer
>>738612982Nintendo only post sales of gsmes that performed well aka sold at least a million.
>>738613171What proof is this old IGN article being accurate and not mistaking information? In journalism they often misreport stories because they didnt get the facts straight.
>>738613347Yeah.Which is why I said "the info we do have suggests it fell just short." And then told you the best info we have.And you're complaining it's not directly from Nintendo. When you just noted they don't give out this info.You having a stroke, buddy?
>>738612880He's delusional, he didn't even buy or play Command.
>>738613335Like no one gives a fuck about assaults multiplayer. Outside a niche community no one remembers or misses it. It certainly didnt catch on or inspire anything unlike prime 2 multiplayer with metroid prime hunters.
>>738613290it's not like there's no room for iteration on the rail shooter genre either, starfox is pretty simple on the mechanical front. could add new weapons to the arwings, select them at the start of the mission or even do the diddy kong racing route of having levels with multiple vehicle types you can play as. yet all the innovation we get is some bullshit
>>738613498We dont know for sure how short it fell since we dont have reliable data to know. No one officially from nintendo ever reported sales of assault to my knowledge. It isnt like with metroid prime 4 where someone from nintendo went on record saying the gsme sold 1 million overall despite neither switch 1 or 2 versions selling 1 million.
>>738611346I loves the Sargasso space station level, and playing the levels for the gold medals and keeping your combo chain going during the all-ranged missions were fun and challenging enough. In the aparoid home world level, your routing dictated how good of your combo you get to keep.
>>738613629>Famitsu and Amazon aren't reliable sales figure reporting.Shut the fuck up, you absolute clown.
>>738613170it would be cool to have a segment where you could shoot lasers on foot though
>>738613498>since the company didnt provide sales data for a game theyre legally obligated to not fabricate, im going to believe a website where the numbers can be fabricated without consequences.
>>738613541I too can win arguments by saying >Like no one caresI cared enough to mention it. I'd bet plenty sf assault had more multiplayer fans than mp2, regardless of its relation to hunters
>>738613750>im going to believe a website where the numbers can be fabricated without consequences.IT LITERALLY HAS A SOURCE WITH EXACT DATES THAT YOU CAN CROSS REFERENCE.WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT.
>>738613740maybe if they do like a sin and punishment style thing and not an assault style thing, but I think the landmaster is perfectly acceptable as the grounded combat option. The whole appeal is using space jets to blow up a bazillion dudes after all.
>>738613719I especially dont believe amazon. Especially when the vendor sint nintendo and they dont differentiate new and used.Was amazon even a major source for physical games back in 2005?
>>738613941How am I supposed to believe those sources being crossed are reliable? Im not doubting the website not accurately relaying sales figures from other companies, im skeptical of the accuracy of those sources.
>>738606845if the word rogue leaves your mouth i immediate dismiss your intelligence
>>738614075>Famitsu and the NPD Group are untrustworthy as sales number aggregatorsReally.You seriously think that.
Command plays okay when you use the d-pad hack (specifically v4 so boost and brake are also on A and B) on a DS/3DS or something like the Ayn Thor. Otherwise, it's a miserable experience.
>>738613985It's not even relevant, because the Assault page only cited Famitsu figures.
>>738605716They'll make direct sequels to Star Fox 64 this time, that's why they cut the number from it. 2 and 3 are happening.
>>738614264Yes famitsu does a sample based method of predicting sales where they take sale figures of some retails and make estimations on sale trends from there. They dont do total game sales from all retails. It is like polls where they take samples from a few individuals in a location rather than asking everyone present.
>>738613290They've done several entries, everyone hated them.
Assault definitely dragged and had a bunch more "those level" moments than 64, but I don't think it was a bad game. Just pretty unfocused (a lot of games at that time were) and with some refinement could've been pretty good. On foot could be a spinoff game style instead (star fox helldivers with corneria marines or something) and they really just need to make new levels that aren't just 64 yet again
>>738614516...so yeah, you have extreme, crippling autism then. Because we're talking about reasonable range for the total sales of the game, with an understanding it didn't break the 1M barrier.And instead of accepting a respected industry source for calculating physical sales trends and values to determine whereabouts this would fall, you're insisting on the "Unless we get an exact number directly from Nintendo, we must assume the number infinitely approaches zero" model.Shut the absolute fuck up.
>>738614773So you admit they're just calculated predictions and not hard numbers.
>>738612606nta, but the correct way to define SF64 would be "reimagining."Star Fox 64 is a reimagining of the original, providing a fairly different experience while based on the same general premise, simply because Miyamoto doesn't really give a shit about story and is fine with having new experiences built atop of the same basic framework used in previous games.For a non-Nintendo example, Jet Set Radio Future is a reimagining of the original JSR, using the same characters and general premise, but intentionally developed to provide a different experience - i.e., an open-ish collectathon versus timed arcade missions. JSRF is to JSR what Star Fox 64 is to the OG Star Fox. Not a remake, just using the same basic narrative framework.
>>738615145I admit you're either autistic or a complete cunt.
>>738614650>and had a bunch more "those level" moments than 64well, yeah, it's difficult to have "that part of the game" when your game is two hours long.
>>738615289But do you admit your sources arent hard facts.
>>738615473A forum post about what Nintendo says they sold isn't hard facts, if you want to be an ass about it. Nintendo, like all major corporations, has committed crimes and will continue to do so. You can't prove they're not fudging numbers unless you take me to the factory and show me just how many discs were pressed.Which is all to say, "Why are you acting like a faggot?"
Pigma what?
>>738615791The forum is posting figures directly from nintendos own reports. Those are as legitimate as you can get.
>>738605716Adventures is definitely not a star fox game, but it's still decent fun. Assault is great. Command is another victim of Nintendo forcing themselves to shoehorn retarded new ideas into every sequel.
>>738616261PIGMA BALLSS
>>738616261
>>738605716They could you know, make a new one themselves
>>738616261Pig deez nUTS nibba
>>738609536When Assault was announced I was so fucking excited because I thought it would be Star Fox Ace Combat. Peanut butter and chocolate. But no.>>738613171>Ace Combat 2 for the PS2You fucking what?
>>738617428>>They could you know, make a new one themselvesThey will, once they can come up with a retarded forced gimmick to make it unplayable.
>>738617543Also, obligatory Prez.https://youtu.be/RLIbbD_b9WY
Starfox has historically been at its best as a technical showcase. When Nintendo pivoted to gimmicks over hardware advancement, so did Starfox. A 64 remake was probably the only way another "rail shooter" Starfox was going to happen at all, and at least it seems like it's going to take advantage of the Switch 2's 4K/120 FPS, the kind of hardware advancement that Starfox SHOULD be used towards.
>>738606638There are so many beloved space sims they could have copied. Nintendo is allergic to gameplay depth.
>>738613595Rail shooters kind of have that Boost Sonic problem where they require massive set pieces and resources for what are ultimately short bursts of gameplay.A direct remake of 64 might work out because of nostalgiabux, but any attempt at a sequel or evolving the genre to modern standards becomes exponentially more expensive and time consuming with little gain.
>>738618868>modern standardsI dunno man you can still make short games with high production value and be fine, that's RE's whole deal really. I took 10 hours to beat both Requiem and RE1make according to the clear screens, if the game is replayable enough like SF64 is the shorter run time for each run wouldn't really be a problem. Nintendo wasn't particularity afraid of taking a bigger risk on significantly less popular hardware with Zero either, so the notion that a Starfox 65 would be impossible to make is a hard one to believe.
>>738611339People were ambivalent to Assault, not all that happy with the literal tank controls on foot, though it was getting too space opera melodramatic for a shooter series. And Adventure is so barely Star Fox besides throwing characters in there and a final Andross fight that it begs the question of what any of it means for the series besides adding Krystal to the mix. Nintendo literally hijacked a new potential standalone Rareware protag to basically suck mascot cock. The game that truly deserves contempt has and will always be Command, not just for its awful stories, but being 100% touch screen driven and locking away real controls in the code without a hack.You're overdramatic about it to blame everyone but Nintendo for being the retards here, but the reality is everything past 64 is mediocre at best beyond production values, and downright awful at worst.
>>738617543>When Assault was announced I was so fucking excited because I thought it would be Star Fox Ace CombatI seriously doubt you even played Ace Combat back then, let alone knew Namco was on the box for both. You're deff the guy who keeps spreading the misinfo that Assault was made by fucking Kono (Ace Combat guy)
>>738608749Damn, these sales figures makes me realize how little indie games make. If Command was made with a team of 40 people making 90k a year, then it cost ~$3.6mil to produce. If they sold those 430,000 copies for only $20 each then they would have made ~$8.6 million
>>738619496nta but ace combat 5 came out the year before assault, it wouldn't be too insane to have played that and think that namco on assault would mean the AC team.
The hardest Nintendo has ever tried at making better graphics is furshit. Furfag company.
>>738619496>I seriously doubt you even played Ace Combat back thenI bought my PS2 GT3 Edition and Ace Combat 4 on the same day.
I fail to understand Command's hate, it's a pretty fun game with a lot of content.Is this another case of a famous youtuber spouting hate and then all of reddit parroting it?
>>738616261Pigma Ball Super
>>738610636>Krytal?
How do Krystalfags reconcile her character in Command?>N-Nintendo didn’t write the story!!No, but the game would not have been shipped without their leadership’s approval.
>>738605716I mean, they should just make a sequel to 64. The same gameplay, just with a different story and settings. No gimmicky shit like they keep trying to shoe horn into everything.
>>738620867I mean, she didn't become a cunt in Command for no reason. Just becuase Fox somehow turned into a beta maggot and told her to fuck off for absolutely no reason.This is why I am convinced whoever wrote the story for Command either was a gay furry and hated the idea of Fox having a girlfriend/being hetero, or just had a hate bone for those two in particular.
>>738620273I loved the different airships and the strategic map sections are kinda neat, even though iirc it doesn't have on rails sections.But the god awful writing of the characters overrides any praise of that.
>>738620867Nothing about Command's story strikes me as wrong. The dialogue and art is just shit.
>>738619626Nintendo ds games are notoriously cheap to make. Command likely did make a profit. >>738620867They literally pretend it isnt canon or flat out doesn't exist.
>>738612415>No oneThere goes good ol’ Patch again, thinking his minority opinion is the majority.
>>738621608The story of command is also literally people choosing which story paths to take. Game deliberately forces you into the bad ending in the first playthrough to make you aware of the wrong choices make and make better choices in future playthroughs. People who hate command's story only have themselves to blame since they are the ones that choose how command plays and ends. The actual continuity is like Schroeder cat where theyre all canon and not canon at the same time. Despite that the prologue is definitely canon and the angular war events during command did happen.
>>738620867>>738621035Takaya Imamura wrote the story, despite mostly being a producer and an art director on past Nintendo stuff (F-Zero, all the prior Star Fox games, Link to the Past and Majora's Mask). Dylan Cuthbert directed the game to be basically a homage to Star Fox 2 after he had run Argonaut to make the first two Star Fox games on SNES, and he pushed for multiple endings like SF2 so that's how you got the branching paths.By all accounts, on paper you had veterans taking the reins, but something got incredibly retarded in there.
>>738621869Where is the majority?
>>738620867I just ignore it, because all the character writing in that game is dogshit, not just her.>Fox makes a big deal about his gf being in danger as long as she's on the team, so he kicks her off, but he was apparently fine with it during Assault, and mentions nothing about his beloved best friends constantly being in harm's way>Falco quits the team, when he already did that between 64 and Adventures, and there was a whole point about him doing some soul-searching and realizing Star Fox is where he belongs; intro says he longs for the same sort of thrill he felt in Star Fox, so why'd he quit a second time to begin with? It just makes him look like a flake who can only be kept in line by the promise of excitement or money, and he also just comes across as an unlikable douche, much more dismissive than he was in prior titles>Slippy chooses hoes over bros and abandons the team instead of just keeping the relationship up when he's not on jobs, presumably like Peppy and James did with their wives>Krystal makes a point of defending Andross to piss off Fox, knowing that he killed his dad and is implied to have been the one who destroyed her homeworld>Wolf is neither the posh sneering villain from 64 or the gruff but well-meaning antihero from Assault, and his characterization is now basically just Bowser-esque "Gwahaha! I'm a tough guy!">Panther was an implied womanizer in Assault, but now he and Krystal are said to have been in a happy relationship, also he's begun speaking in the third person for some inexplicable reason, with none of his earlier eloquent speech>Don't even know what the fuck they were trying to do with Leon, he's just like a spacey goofball. Completely alien to both the posh guy from 64 and the edgy weirdo from Assault.
The recipe for the next Star Fox is right here but Nintendo are too retarded to see it
>>738614612That's like saying that RE Survivor and Dead Aim were the actual Resident Evil 4 and 5. No, they were not. Assault, Adventure, and Command were all gimmickshit that had nothing to do with the original starfox formula, and the rest are SF64 rehashes.
>>738623404Actually factor 5 were the retards here. They bailed on nintendo when the wii specs were announced since they thought it was weak and put their support with sony and the ps3. What resulted was lair, a game so had it destroyed the company. They should have stuck with nintendo.
>>738620273I see the idea behind it but the levels really lacked variety in maps and didn't really have any maps that were traditionally on-rails.I did like that every new playthrough starting with Corneria got harder and harder though.
>>738612738>Not a Star Fox gameRetard.
>>738622720Yeah, Command was a a character assassination for basically everyone
>>738624654The rot that was character assasination started earlier with assault. That game set up a lot of the situations and characterizations that would plague us in command.
I don't understand the appeal of 64. It's an ok rail shooter but compared to all the other big names of the genre it's actually very slow and honestly kinda bad. I guess the average 64 enjoyer doesn't really play alot of rail shooters?
>>738609702the whole idea of a game series needing to constantly innovate itself is just a stupid idea from non gamers no one comaplined that doom 2 wasnt different enough from doom 1 other than people who didnt like doom 1 in the first place. loads of doom 1-2 fans cried when doom 3 wasnt close enough to doom 1-2
>Star Fox (2026) is a remaster of 64>But with much more fleshed out lore and stuff ripped from the strategy guides to fill in some missing blanksI have a feeling there is more to this remake than they are letting on. Will it be a lot more? No idea, but it doesn't feel like they showed everything.
>>738624807Share the better stuff if it's out there. You can't say this gold is only 4 karat, unlike this 12 karat shit, and just expect me to agree.
>>738624803>B-BUT ASSAULT, ASSAULT BADShut the fuck up, sperg.
Is there a decompilation going on for Assault?I'd love to play it with all the neat shit SF64 and Twilight Princess have gotten.
Assault is really fun but only people now are praising it.
>>738624903I think Space Harrier, After Burner 2, Galaxy Force 2 and Sin and Punishment are all much better, period appropriate games. I'd also put After Burner Climax and Sin and Punishment 2 as better later games. I'll give a honorable mention to Panzer Dragoon 1 and 2 as while I don't enjoy them more than SF64 they are innovative in their rail shooter gameplay. There are more games I haven't played like Soul Star and Panorama Cotton which I will get to very soon™ I promise.
>>738624979Assault when it came out was a passable mix of mediocrity in all its various gameplay elementsNowadays it's even clearer how it doesn't do anything very well. Very little replayability and any one stage or area is just a worse rendition of other things. On foot stages are a chore, but the rail shooter stages mechanically don't have anything interesting going on (different routes...?) and the all range flying sequences are dull.
>>738624979Funny how the perception of Adventures and Assault basically swapped over time. Adventures got good reviews and everybody seemed to like it, then stuff like the Stairfax Temperatures video came out a few years later and the fandom now collectively agrees it's nothing more than a mid Zelda clone with the Star Fox name slapped on. Assault got middling reviews and hardly anyone bought it, now the community keeps bringing it up against the deluge of 64 rehashes for doing something new and being the step forward the series needed to take.
>>738623404They should have hired the aircraft narrator in that game for the direct.
>>738625231I won't even call Adventures a Zelda clone. It's a shit ass collectathon like Donkey Kong 64 that uses a very, very weak attempt to replicate the Zelda systems in the process.
>>738624979Assault is a very shallow jack of all trades with an identity crisis.
>>738625148>We're doing assault revisionism nowGod I hate Zoomers and their insistence on jewing history to reshape public opinionAssaults on rails segments are as good and in some cases even better than 64
>>738620867>How do Krystalfags reconcile her character in Command?The same way Nintendo reconciled her as a Starfox Character. She's along for the ride and gave the series something other than a multi decade long groundhogs day. >N-Nintendo didn’t write the story!!Imamura, Dylan, Miyamoto, literally "the starfox gang" would come back and put together this absolute abomination. Both Nintendo and "Nintendo at home" effectively came up with this crap and you can tell because it sucks so much they don't even consider it cannon. They effectively gave it the Zelda/Mario treatment with this game.
>>738625308>Assaults on rails segments are as good and in some cases even better than 64How so?
It would be cool if they made an star fox game with the MH formula>Big ships as the monsters>You have to follow the big ship through a series of zones though the Lyrat system>Find the weak point and attack it with a team
>>738625308>Assaults on rails segments are as good and in some cases even better than 64Lmao no! The levels are bland and the arwing doesn't control well. On hard difficulty the levels become absurdly bullshit rather than legitimately challenging.
Here is the breakdown for all of the confused secondaries:>The one great game this series hasStarfox 64Starfox 64 3DStarfox Switch >Good on rails but has hanger off mechanics like on foot segments that are weak and prevent it from being a properly great entry, still goodStar Fox Assault>Too dated to be good but good bonesStarfox SNESStarfox 2>Not even a Starfox game (bad)Adventure >Not even a Starfox game (good)Starfox Guard>What if Starfox had a branching story and every single one was a bad deviantart middle schoolers handiwork and also the game suckedStarfox Command>What if the games control scheme was incomprehensible to mortal minds (also there are bad design decisions dragging down the experience even if you can open your third eye)Stafox 0
>>738625467No your right, most stages in 64 would throw you on new routes or in some cases have you access another part of the stage by flying either up or down. Some cases left or right, with another one of your wingmen saying they have the opposite end covered. Assault only has three on-rails stages and are downgrades with neither feature.
>>738618446They made a furry Rogue Squadron instead.
>>738624810>loads of doom 1-2 fans cried when doom 3 wasnt close enough to doom 1-2Yeah, it's too bad it was a shit formula from the start and they couldn't get it down until Eternal
>>738625593Just say there aren't any games aside from the SNES original and 64. That's all you need to know about Star Fox.
>>738605716Assault was in the best position to change things with the series for the better. Instead we got a game that couldn't live up to the expectations and its bad to mid game experience started the series decline.
>>738625308self hating zoomer
>>738625593>Good on rails but has hanger off mechanics like on foot segments that are weak and prevent it from being a properly great entry, still goodI wouldnt call the on rails good. They're competent but theyre really weak level designs. I would rather play the arwing bits in adventures since those were surprisingly fun.
>>738625735Theres also star fox 2. Its arguably the most influential title the series has.
>>738625110I heard of several of those, but you also informed me of new ones. Thank you. Downloading most of them now.
>>738625648Yeah. I haven't played Assault in a while but I don't remember anything as interesting as even choosing left or right on Venom, nevermind a secret boss/route switch.If you want to do on-rails levels better than 64 it means you need to have more alternate routes and secrets and really tightly designed sequences and setpieces. Even the intro level to Assault the anon praised above feels no better than Sector Y in 64, and it's completely shit on by Area 6 where everything you see can be blown up and it's not just a slow stroll. And Area 6 doesn't even have any different routes so aside from being a late game stage it's a fair enough comparison to this one.
>>738625308get back to me when a rails stage in assault has two different outcomes
>>738625308I was playing it yesterday for the first time. They weren't.
>>738625959I'll add... another.
>oh nononononono muh multiple outcomes!Assault has better enemy placement. Get fucked retard
>>738624807I played alot of rail shooters myself, just 'cuz those are good doesn't make star fox 64 any LESS good, wtf.It does suck how you have to charge shot all the fuckin' time for a high score though. Star fox zero fixes that somewhat by letting you shoot ships after they're hit with a charge shot but before they explode.... but it's still star fox zero
>>738626173lollmao even
>>738626173No they don't. Rob's supply drops in Area 6 alone aren't topped by anything in Assault.
>>738605716>>738605854>>738605881redpill me on Assault, I played it for like an hour and didn't immediately hate it and refuse to play Adventures
>>738626189Yeah literally the only thing I don't like about 64 is that un-locked charge shots are the only way to really score chase. I'd really rather twin laser spam be good enough on its own. It'd also be nice to just be able to flat turn off locks if they wanted to make lockless blasts so good.
>>738625308I appreciate how the ship actually moves through the environment instead of basically being constrained to a straight tube. Weaving through the forest and canyon in the opening stage, moving from the asteroid belt into the interior of the space station, all the twists and tuns inside the enemy homeworld. I hope if they do make another on-rails game it retains that kind of dynamism.
>>738626190You were literally bitching about Assaults hard difficulty being "bullshit" a minute ago retard.Assaults levels had a lot more going on and were harder to score in than 64 (too hard for you, apparently). A full game of assault rail levels would have mogged 64 even without split paths
assault zoomie getting utterly assrapped along with his no replayablity game
>>738626173They're either galaga bonus round patterns or random assortment on the ground.
>>738626328what are those falco-looking pin-needle things in Assault? Fucking lazy as hell.
>>738626272>redpill me on AssaultThat game is what shills here keep saying should be the series future. Not star fox 64, not some other titles, assault specifically. They also believe the multiplayer and shooting mechanics are better than those in other shooting gsmes like halo or call of duty.
>>738626189>just 'cuz those are good doesn't make star fox 64 any LESS good, wtf.SF64 is one of the worse rail shooters I've played. That might be because I've only played very good games but that's still no reason to touch SF64 unless you're starving for rail shooters. Which to be fair is the eventual fate of anyone into the genre.
I consider Assault more a Namco style score shooter game than I do a normal Star Fox game, honestly. It's so focused on score attack shit for a linear mission structure and storyline that I can't really see it as "traditional". You can argue that was there for 64 as well, but it wasn't the focus.
>>738626323>>738626404>Starfox of all series has a board schizo If I had infinite time and a hammer I would personally track down every single topic squatter on 4chan and mercilessly beat them to death
>>738626280yeah.... in that sense, I would prefer to play panzer dragoon 2 or space harrier or sin and punishment or something. A charge shot is a fun option but not if I have to use it all the bloody time...
>>738626380Aparoids are literally the not-galaxians of the series. Namco made the game and they even mentioned it in interviews. It isnt even a secret if you pay attention to how similar they are to other galaga titles.
>>738626297not my post retardyou can't articulate anything you're trying to say. "better enemy placement?" why don't you show or elaborate what you really mean? That's such a vague statement. I'm not unwilling to give assault points for things it did well but you're gonna have to actually elaborate how you think it did things better.
>>738626498Why are assaultfags so violent when things don't go their way?
>>738626415How can you say that when it's got all the branching paths, the epic scenarios, the lovable characters, the iconic voice acting, the awesome music, and the cool and simple system with your wingmen reacting to your actions? That shit is AWESOME.
>>738626323>patch trying to pretend he's 10 people again
>>738626498 >a board schizo >He thinks there's only one of them
>>738624807You're wrong, obviously.
>>738626498I genuinely don't understand why jannies do nothing about it. Only some of these schizos have graduated the Terminally Online Clown College to the point of constantly using VPNs and becoming sockpuppet whack-a-moles, so you'd think the ~40 jannies available would try a little harder with the rest
>>738626498kek
>>738626527Why do you think your post is worth that effort on my part, random anonymous faggot? Assault has been a widely accepted fine sequel for 2 decades. The burden of proof to disprove that falls on you. Its not my fault you lack context, worldly experience, and aren't versed enough in your own hobby to know modern consensus and what it stems from
>>738620273When it came out people were starved for a good 64-style starfox and instead we got a really weird starfox 2 knockoff with forced touch screen controls.
>>738626502>panzer dragoon 2Are you dreading the remake by forever entertainment?
>>738626415I refuse to play any rail shooter which isn't an actual vehicle (plane or starfighter most ideally)what do you have for me 3D railshooter autist bro
The only positives I can say about Assault was the soundtrack was well done and catchy, as well the multiplayer being good with friends unless you pick Wolf, in which case, fuck youThe only other thing I can say that's good or bad depending on who you ask is that it tried to move the series forward with the story and followed continuity, but that may be becuase the bar is in hell when it comes to plot for star fox.
>>738626618Or maybe they can be ten people, ot at least people who aren't patch and youre a legitimate schizo who cant comprehend that anyone who hates assault can't be anyone else but that one dude.
>>738626669ah well I figured it was baithave one last (you) for the road
>>738626507I meant the fact they fly in front of you in groups of six during rail missions. all they do is farm you score.
>>738626726Tried moving things forward was the goal. The result was bring dragged way further back. Series neve mentioned recovered from assault. If it was any better we may have gotten a wii title.
>>738626679oh brothersega's so stupid for letting such lame remakes be made. I'm not even dreading it, that shit's not even on my radar. It would've been cool if they just ported the shit over, but I guess someone has to decompile it before that happens.They're very specific visions you don't just "remake", that shit's just not cool.
>>738626498>People calmly prove that Assault is a bad on-rails SF game >retard has no argument so he resorts to violence
>>738626824I don't know their name but they purely exist as a homage to the bonus rounds in galaga where you need to shoot the enemies that fly on screen before flying away. Assault is basically the star fox galaga crossover title.
>>738626824If you played the game you'd know this only even happens if you perform well enough by destroying whole preceding enemy formations without missing any. If it's okay for 64 to let you farm points by literally shooting the ground, Assault's devs can throw you a bone and help inflate your score.
>>738626702Sorry to hear about your vehicle 'tism but I can recommend the usual After Burner 2, Galaxy Force 2, Night Striker and After Burner Climax as a start.
>>738605716>Star Fox 64>FunThese manchildren....
>>738626912>powered by namcochecks out
>>738626679I love PD and I didn't even know they were making a Zwei remake after PD1 flopped.
>>738626995just can't jive with people in on rail sequencestoo dumb to meI'll try out Galaxy Force 2, seems o kay, what do you think they do better?
>>738626610He's the usual faggot /v/ contrarian.
>>738626498>I have no argument and I must screamTypical loony leftist liberal post.
Zoomers don't have the attention span for fully formed opinions so they just latch onto a single gameplay mechanic and decide if that means it's a good or a bad thing today.>Backtracking when soulslike GOOD>Backtracking when platformerBAD>No backtracking when rail shooterGOOD, APPARENTLY Completely overlooking the idea that there are tradeoffs to gameplay mechanics and how they're implemented and it mostly needs to be judged on a case by case basis. But hey, it's easier to go "one entry has thing, and then sequel takes it away, sequel MUST be strictly bad!" When Assaults on rails segments are way more detailed environments than 64s which allow for actual things like cliffsides and architecture to make their way into the level design making the levels come to life. I mean for fucks sake the first level, in one level, goes through a giant space battle that's on a scale unlike anything the 64 could do, uses that scale to make the scope of gameplay larger than the 64 was capable of instead of relegating it to set dressing. Then you proceed to go through the process of landing on a planet and storming an enemy base WITHOUT BREAKING UP THE GAMEPLAY which completely changes the pacing and level design moment to moment. It's a fantastic level, the first level of Assault shits on the entirety of 64s "my first 3D game" ahhhh mechanics. The only problem is that's like the only time Assault ever reaches that scope with the rails shooter.
>>738626967The difference is shooting the ground with a charge shot on a falling target has a small window of time, comparing that to shitty bugs right in your face sitting still is false equivalence.
>>738627136The higher speed and difficulty are the primary reasons why I prefer most rail shooters over SF.
>>738626328>You see it's bad because it....uses a mechanic from the most popular shmup in history
>>738627259>ahhhhKill yourself post haste.
>>738627338yeah, star fox is a little slow in comparison to certain others.
>>738627413>Suicidally angry because he was proven wrong by someone who used a silly buzzword he doesn't like
>"Non-canon" ending where Fox becomes a depressed alcoholic and Krystal leaves himHonestly still shocking Nintendo made this, even as a "haha it's not canon, that would be bad, try again for the real ending" thing.
>>738627490>forgetting the last beat of that ending with Fox and Falco become F-zero racerscome ON, anon.
>>738627259the first level of 64 has you fly through a secret waterfall path and level geometry you can actually run into and fly around/under to achieve a secret route to fight two entirely different bosses while accurately protraying a city invasion forcewhat do you mean 64 didn't have actual things like cliffsides and architecture the first thing you do is fly between cliffs to go to a cityyou should play starfox 64 sometime lil zoomie
Is Star Fox 64 ACTUALLY a 10/10 or is it another case of 64 era millennials overrating another game to oblivion because it was one of 5 games the console had?
>>738627589You need to get off this board more often.It is absolutely worth playing through the game a few times.Each playthrough is short too, very fun game.
>>738627589It's a solid 5/7
>>738627589Look at the review scores.
>>738627589I don't think most people will call it an absolutely perfect game with no flaws, there are ways it could be better, but it's so good pretty much nothing has outdone it on the whole.
>>738627480Zoomerposting doesn't deserve serioux engagement, faggarino.
why can't they just make a 3d space combat game. Why does it have to be on rails and an hour long. Why does the multiplayer have to be an after thought with 3 stages?
You do realize you have an emotional attachment to Assault because you were, like, five when it came out, right? Good gameplay design is giving an incentive to replay it and Assault has none. It has zero post-game.
>>738627589I'd give it a firm 38.58960 out of 42.283456
>>738627589https://github.com/sonicdcer/Starfox64RecompFind out.
>>738627589It's not perfect, but it's the only decent game in the series besides SF2
>>738627573>BACKTRACKING GOOD YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THIS VERSION HAS BACKTRACKING IT'S GOT MULTIPLE BRANCHES THAT MEANS IT'S BETTER BECAUSE MY ZOOMER MIND HAS FIXATED ON THIS MECHANICStafox 64s first levels mechanics are "bro fly through the rings", "lmao go catch up to Falco" and "brake once"And both bosses suck. One is a shitty all range mode fight that ends instantly, and the other is just shooting the doors and also ends instantly. Andrew and the Aparoid fights from level 1 of assault mog the encounter design of anything in 64 besides the boat on Zoness and the big death ball. Assault has 2 bosses that are better and you just get to fight both of them in one go.
>>738627589It's good but you play it like once or twice and that's it. You complete it in an afternoon and there's not much else to it. It's not spectacular even for a rail shooter.
>>738627589It's an easy 8 or 9/10.I really can't think of any flaws with it, though there must be some.Personally I prefer the 3ds version.
>You're becoming less like your father
>>738627925it's not backtracking when replayability is the point you autistic retard
>Good gameplay design is giving an incentive to replay it>The exact same niggas when a platformer asks his ass to return to a level he's already been too
>>738627925hold on anonyou assume one thing and assume it incorrectly.The FIRST LEVEL'S BOSS should not be hard.Just 'cuz you, WE, can beat the bosses in no time, doesn't mean everyone can, especially if they're new to the game. That's the whole point. They're the FIRST LEVEL'S bosses. It's cool that they're easy and take a bit for noobs to beat, and fast for anyone that's learned how to play the game properly.
>>738608507Zero on Wii U already did have superior aiming, you just need to git gud
>>738628070it's crazy how schizos are always fighting their personal imaginary demons
>>738627925You do realize the point of a game with arcade score is to keep playing it to get a BETTER score. No wonder you want whatever assault was pushing, you don't understand the core of starfox games themselves.
>>738628104>Just 'cuz you, WE, can beat the bosses in no time, doesn't mean everyone can, especially if they're new to the gameWhat do you care? Why should we be designing and dumbing down games to cater to shitters? Because if it’s easier for jurno’s they’ll give it a 10/10?
>>738627589>five gamesThis nigger never looked at Rare's game output.
>>738628207once upon a time, *you* were a noob once.
>>738627589It's a honest 5/10 or 7/10 on a reviewer scale. It's babby's first shmup on a console which frankly had none of them aside from Bangai-O and S&P and those were JP exclusive so most people that played it had no comparison point.
>>738605881Assault is, was, and always will be a guilty pleasure for me.Do I think it's a particularly great game that should have more games made like it? Absolutely not.Do I have inexplicable fun with it? Absolutely.
>>738628254Imagine believing this.
>>738628254Bangai-O is not nearly as good as Starfox 64 brother and I liked ityou're honestly delusional
>>738628247Coddling noobs isn’t gonna make them better, it’s just gonna keep them noobs forever. Once upon a time, if you were struggling in a game, you had to learn to git gud, and you felt good once you overcame it
>>738628330Never said it was. Re-read the post.
>>738627589desu I'd probably give it a 7/10, about a third of the levels aren't fun enough for me to ever want to touch them. I never pick Aquas over Katina, or Sector Z over Macbeth. The all-range stages were novel at the time, but they're comparatively boring in a world where games like Rogue Squadron and Crimson Skies exist, just completely flat expanses where you go after circling enemies.
>>738627925The hyper laser is op against bosses. Wondering if adding easy mode was the right call.
>>738628104>The FIRST LEVEL'S BOSS should not be hard. More gay """"modern sensibilities"""" on your part. Sequels were regularly designed picking up roughly from where the first game left off in difficulty back then. What's more, Starfox 64 isn't "first game difficult" it's "first 3D game difficult", if an indie shmup had the audacity to give you nothing but some simple mechanic checks and "bro 7 rings" in level 1 you and I and anyone sensible would refund it. Starfox 64 is an impressive game given what was possible at the time and what contemporaries were capable of. It was never intended as a permanent, impassable benchmark. It's a great game but it's not like OOT where it's arguably impossible to surpass it while staying in the same formula because it got so much right the first time there's not enough new ground to break
>>738628370I did and I'm saying it's really not even a comparison to 64. The idea that you can lump all shmups together 2D and 3D is pretty silly. There's a reason more people played and enjoyed Starfox 64 than most shmups, even if you clearly have no idea why that is.
>>738628375> like Rogue Squadron and Crimson Skies existor, you know, ace combat which shit on both of those
>>738628247Why are you a pedophile?
>>738628370you're comparing 3D movement to 2D movement which is hilarious considering SF isn't a shmup
>>738628185That shit's for tranny speedrunners, of which I am not.
>>738627259>>No backtracking when rail shooter>GOOD, APPARENTLYYES, THAT IS GOOD. THAT'S WHAT A RAIL SHOOTER IS. YOU GO FORWARD AT ALL TIMES. IT'S IN THE GENRE'S NAME FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. IT'S A RAILSHOOTER
>>738605716the snes games are great too
>>738628513I kinda wish pulling a loop sent you back just a little bit so I could hit a golden ring I just barely missed.
>>738628512Then you might as well abandon arcade games or any game that has score system in general, you don't want to be a tranny, do you?
>>738628185>Assault has vastly more expansive enemy forces making each level harder to get a good high score in>Noooooo nonono not like that!Pokemon Snap is a better rail shooter than New Snap despite new snap having the branching paths. Obviously 64 is still the better game because we're basically stacking like 1 or 2 levels up against a whole game. But that opening level is better than anything in 64, easily.
>Direct highlights Adventures and Smash Bros Fox appearances specifically>rumored "Adventure" game next yearIs it just a coincidence? Are they hoping Smash fags buy such a game if you can run Fox around with a blaster and deflector?
>>738628368>>738628391but it's a reflection of how good you get at the game, it's normal to feel cool for being able to beat the boss so fast. it makes sense for the first level's boss to be, comparatively, easy to the rest too. That's just how games are, they get harder as they go.
>>738605716I don't fucking understand how Nintendo can be bankrupt of ideas for Star Fox..it's very simple. ditch the rail shooter idea and make it an open world game with gameplay like adventures with space exploration and battles
>>738628510>SF isn't a shmupDespite being roughly 3 times slower it's still a rail shooter like any other. You have your horizontal, vertical and rail all of which play fundamentally the same aside from perspective.
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>>738610840>There is apparently no FTL in this universeWhat the fuck do you think the Orbital Gate was?
>>738628598>opening level is better than anything in 64, easily.Absolutely fucking delusional
>>738605716The only people that care about StarFox are unironically furries. You could see this with the announcement:>Fox looks whatever>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE HE DOESN'T LOOK FUCKABLE ENOUGH!!!!!Nintendo shouldn't even bother at this point. Furries have Nick "Abortion LOL" Wilde for their yiffbait.
>>738628618I'd play a Star Fox FPS ngl.
The only thing I'm really disappointed it about is that there appears to be very few new featuresIf they were going to go out of their way to have new voice acting, they should let you play as any member of Star Fox and make them all play slightly differently with the mid-stage dialogue varying depending on who you're playing as. It's literally a basic shmup feature
>>738626272It's the closest thing to a proper Star Fox 64 sequel we ever got. Fully orchestrated soundtrack, expanded shooting mechanics with onfoot shooting, game is mainly on-rails, decent (and somewhat dark) story. The new shooting mechanics with the onfoot needed some work and it had some questionable design decisions for some levels but otherwise was pretty good.Adventures was also good but not in the way a proper Star Fox sequel should have been. They should have separated Dinosaur Planet into it's own thing like originally planned instead of force the Star Fox IP onto it. It's still worth a play but don't go into it expecting the same experience as Star Fox 64 or Assault.
>>738628884it's weird how the main new feature for this is....more cutscenes?
>>738628598>pokeniggerAndrew is an annoying faggot failure character that didn't warrant an intro stage. >a bunch of fucking tanks sitting in a base that you can't chain charge shot hits on is good designPlease keep going, I'm gonna go shit in the meantime.
>>738628889>mainly on-railsno it fuckin isn't you know why 64 was great? the story wasn't told in a bunch of cutscenes trying to be dramatic, it was just dudes yapping at each other as shit was happeningstage intros were seconds long, not minutescharacters were nothing more than the lines they spoke here and theredo that again, assault's worst part is the story existing so much
>>738628458>The idea that you can lump all shmups together 2D and 3D is pretty silly.The difference is the same with any 2D/3D genre, they share fundamentals that make you have a better grasp of the genre as a whole. For example playing a 3D platformer does give you insight into platformers as a whole, even 2D games. My point was that the N64 didn't have shmups worth noting aside from the games mentioned. SF64 was the first and last game of the genre for many people and they return to it because they never played anything else of the sort and Nintendo keeps the IP mindshare alive with... creative decisions.
Honestly I'm bothered by the mouse aim thing not having a gyro aim option. This would be the perfect opportunity to encourage joycon usage or even controller gyro by straight up allowing folks to aim ala Zero as an option, but instead you gotta use the joycons in mouse mode.
>>738628889>game is mainly on-railsLiterally only three of the ten stages are entirely on rails. One or two of the others have a rail shooter bit, but otherwise, it's all just shitty TPS and the worst Landmaster sections imaginable
>>738610840They've got FTL.
>>738628889Which game has all the memorable quotes again?
>>738628850Star Fox has a strong nostalgia factor for those who played the SNES/N64/Gamecube titles as kids or teens. It does have a large furry fanbase but that's literally every game with animal characters.
>>738628580https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8STkgLkISGM
>>738629106>you'll never get a Star Fox game that finally merges 64 with SNES 1/2 without being some level of rancid dogshit for gimmick reasons
>>738629106For me, it's band version. So jaunty
>>738628989Just because they share mechanics doesn't mean people are attracted to them both. Just because a game is shooting bad guys doesn't mean he who loves Doom will love Half Life and will love Tarkov and will love Fortnite.It doesn't matter, these things you're talking about. Lots of people played Starfox 64 as their first of any of thems. I personally played a few 2D entries before it but I never was too into them yet I liked Starfox. It doesn't matter whether the N64 had others because not everyone is attracted to genre instead of specific games (or specific elements of the genre.)
>>738629138>>738629106bros...
>>738629056where is this from?
>>738628989Nahh, SF64 doesn't play anything like for example Touhou. Actually beating the game is no challenge whatsoever, you have on-demand deflect, rarely do you ever encounter bullet spam, environmental hazards are way more prominent than they are in most actual shmups, etc
>>738605881There's nothing to apologize for about Assault. It was a great game and remains one to this day.
>>738605881>>73860749764 is a 10 and Assault is a 7.5 but Assault is still the 2nd-best game in the franchise.
So how exactly does the timeline for Starfox games work? Is it:Original timelineStarfox (OG), Starfox 264 timelineStarfox 64, Stairfax Adventures, Assault, CommandZero timelineZero, Starfox Guard
>>738628463Do you know any games out there that play Ace Combat?
>>738629294the second best game in the franchise is Star Fox 2 when running at a good framerate
>>738629306yeah p much
>>738627589It takes like an hour for you to find out for yourself
>>738629339So will the new game follow the 64 timeline or will it branch out into another Rareless timeline? And if so, what could they do with the franchise?
>>738628884On reddit there is this guy with a theory that there are vehicles/pilots unannounced. The main reasoning being all the vehicles are clearly numbered, but for some reason numbers 8-11 are skipped.Probably copium but still a bit odd.
>>738629306Yep.
>>738629306Don't forget the 3D timelineStar fox 64 3Dthe main difference between this timeline and the 64 timeline is Einstein was never born
>>738629308project wingmanraidersphere 4thsky crawlersraidersphere is my favorite dont tell anyonehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdKJuLvI8K4
>He didn't climb up on building's during the Corneria invasion level and snipe every enemy on the map until there were none left.I pity those who can't have fun
>>738629268Honestly SF64 doesn't need to be hard to be fun. It's pretty much the power fantasy rail shooter with enough polish to feel great to play, but enough challenge for those not used to the genre or very good at games to not feel like a cakewalk. And those that master it have Expert Mode for real extra fuckery. I think there's a fine enough audience to capture there even if it's more on the casual side of things. The big problem is the rail shooter genre kinda never was very mainstream, so at best people look at Panzer Dragoon or SF knockoffs (Jupiter Strike having been my childhood one despite being dogshit) and don't think much else on it, so Star Fox 64 became the shining example.
>>738629306And now we have the Star Fox (2026) timeline.
>>738629268All of that can be contained purely within the genre. The variance in platformers is insane.
>>738606638It would be so easy too to just make another game with new planets and no gimmicks. But nope, it either has to be exactly 64 or a game that tries all it can to be everything other than a simple rail shooter
>>738629294>but Assault is still the 2nd-best game in the franchise.Hard no there. It is probably decond worst after command.
>>738626498>board has an anti-schizo-schizoyikes from me dog
>>738620867Simple, Command was all over the place and is not considered in the greater context of Star Fox's story. Star Fox ends at Assault and remains to be continued from there.
>>738629306Would Starlink be Zero timeline?
>>738626272god tier music, pretty good graphics, lame basic bitch tier gameplay, short linear 10 mission experience, tacked on multiplayer you will never ever play
>>738629516Might as well, it ain't like Nintendo is ever gonna revisit that timeline.I would be up for a Starfox 3 as a digital download title with retro graphics.
>>738629392Probably multiplayer unlocks. I could see James McCloud being an unlockable and maybe Katt, Bill, General Pepper, and maybe a newer character.
>>738608749>The Super Nintendo Entertainment System: Super NES Classic Edition sold approximately 5.28 million units worldwide. STAR FOX 2 SWEEP
>>738629485Hard yes. Even if you did manage to raise any legitimate points against it instead of disingenuous bullshit, anybody who liked these games would concede it feels better and has more to do with Star Fox than the Zelda knockoff where you fly an Arwing for 15 minutes and otherwise hit things with a stick.
>>738629294Zero is perfect for anyone who wants more/new 64, other than that Starfox 2 is interesting to any fan
>>738629448>so at best people look at Panzer Dragoon or SF knockoffsThose are the most accessible read:easiest so people unfamiliar to the genre gravitate to them. Pick a game from the genre at random and you can be your balls it's much harder than PD or SF. I would imagine the reason is the slow pace mandated by 5th gen consoles simply not being known to be able to push polygons fast enough. PD runs at like 20 fps and that would make it unplayable if it moved any faster than a snail's pace.
>>738629591All I want is a Star Fox sequel that has Miyu, Fay, and Krystal in the team. Is that so much to ask?
>>738629615Zero would be worth checking out if it wasn't a Wii U title that's hard to deal with or emulate in a proper fashion
>>738629654Sexo
>PC nigger StarfoxHow much do you be the devs are sweating right now given they gotta release their game against Uber Realistic Starfox?
>>738629591They need to be in Starfox 2 (2029) (never happening)
>>738629672ship design looks pretty blandeven the disgusting overgreebled new arwings look better still since the Arwing body design is timeless
>>738629447>plant the firework mortar thing onto an Arwing>jump in>steer it toward other players>jump out>watch from safe distance as it continues flying and round after round of white phosphorous rains down upon the heads of my enemies
>>738629615Zero has less, not more. The route variation is abysmal with less locations. Only three bosses actually speak.
>>738606689Yeah, the moment I played KIU I realized how obsolete StarFox was.On the other hand, StarFox 64 was one of the few Nintendo game that was fully voice acted in that era.I think Nintendo always wanted to turn Starfox into a movie slop, with actually character arcs and progression.The endings of star fox command kinda showed what they hand in mind.
So did anyone actually play that Starlink game?https://store.steampowered.com/app/950050/Starlink_Battle_for_Atlas/>Denuvo>Ubishit accountProbably not.
>>738627480NTA, but I was with you until that repulsively fucking retarded zoomer slang
>>738629596Honestly, noAssault was so lame that I legitimately did have more fun with AdventuresAll playing Assault makes me feel is how much I'd rather be playing 64 or anything elseThe brief Arwing parts of Adventure are fucking 10000 light years better than what we got in Assault, I like how they have a real sense of speed and chaos about them as opposed to how slow and boring Assault's on rails parts are and how atrocious everything else is. Yeah, the Zelda stuff is whatever, not even saying Adventures is good, it's just that's how badly missed the mark. It moves too slowly, the audiovisual feedback of all the action going on is pathetic and the on foot stuff makes me want to die
>>738629812Does the Steam version actually have Star Fox?
>>738624885Honestly, if Nintendo managed to pull a Raiden in this day and age, I would take back every negative thing I've ever said about them.
>>738629672I don't like how it's TOO similar to SF.buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut maybe it'll be cool.
>>738629672Why would they be? Anything that bring more attention to them or rail shooters in general is a net positive. It's a forgotten genre, after allI'm not gonna buy a Switch 2 for this remake, much as I love SF, so I will happily buy this instead. Already bought Ex-Zodiac even
>>738629875Those arwings were dirty
>>738629392hypeman i hope we get new locations too, a sf64 expansion is what i've always wanted
>>738629991>Ex-ZodiacI can't respect a game that's been in early access for four years or even two years. Call me up when that shit is done...Or at least has the reputation of say Schedule 1.
>>738629875The music is good for what it is in adventures imho
>>738629392If that was the case they would have 100% included that in the direct
>>738629812The best version of the game in terms of content is the Switch version since it does have the Star Fox team and a sidestory and with missions involving them.I'd say your best bet is to emulate the switch version so you can get all the stuff and the extra content. Also it at least has some gameplay that some would like.
>>738630054I thought the same, but it looks like the dev only has one or two more levels left he wants to make, so I figured I may as well. There's already enough content there. Not playing it until he finishes it or drops it though, yeah.If you want a finished PC rail shooter, there's this one. https://store.steampowered.com/app/2784620/ROGUE_FLIGHT/I have it wishlisted. It looks cool.
>>738630096For real, it's pointless to hide that when the game is coming out next month. Also its not like they said they had more to show later.
hmm sure did get quiet, almost like it was one really aggressive assaultfag
>>738628618>It'll just be adventures on shitty NSO emulatorAnd with how much Nintendo drop feeds on those things I actually wouldn't be surprised in the slightestAnd if it is a remake, it just shows that Nintendo have officially run out of ideas
>everyone arguing and complaining>tfw just happy to have a new starfox game that looks goodI hope this does well so they remake Adventures without some of the jankI loved adventures so much bros I love those old games that had day/night cycles with no loading screens so it felt like you were really there
>>738612047>99% of people probably never saw the on foot multiplayer option because you had to unlock iti'm one of them. i think i did it once on an emulator to see what it was like and that's it.always 1 or 2 levels i struggled to get medals on
>>738630290>remake AdventuresNow THAT is a fucking pipedream. I don't think Nintendo wants to touch any of that.
>>738606845/v/ acting like rogue likes are too good for em lolive seen the hundred slay the spire threads you guys are fuckin jokes you know that?i never even played spire 1
>>738630290YEW PAY DIS MUUCH
>>738630290>>tfw just happy to have a new starfox game that looks goodHow is it "new".
>>738630290I remember playing through adventures with my sister when I was a kid. Great game.
>>738630350What the fuck was his problemThey should have let us pinata him like Moneybags in spyro 3
>>738606845The first option is lazy you fucking idiot. Actual level design takes effort. Hades has rotted a generation of gamers and made them allergic to trying to actually learn and be good at the games they play. Star Fox isn't even hard what's the point?
>>738630290>I love those old games that had day/night cycles with no loading screensAside from Simon's Quest on the Famicom Disk System I can't think of a game that had loading screens for nightfall.
>>738630165I've played that one. It's... fine. I dunno how to describe it, but it feels like it's missing some kind of X factor to tie the whole experience together. The roguelite mode is pretty barebones as well. Runs don't feel significantly different from one another.Don't want to shit on it to much, though. It is interesting and fun for a bit. Maybe get it on a good sale.
>>738630429what do you mean? without him general scales would have won he was a jewish caricature
>>738630184The website says they "have more to say". Would be hard to imagine it's major though.
>>738630429He should have moved to Cape Claw.
>>738630437>Hades has rotted a generation of gamersThe rot started way before that garbage game. I remember shit like "Enter the Gungeon" and "20XX" getting put on a pedestal by retards who thing a room having two enemies is somehow very different from a room with one enemy.Fuck the roguelite genre!
>>738629747>The feeling of accomplishment as a kid when you unlock Wolf>Especially while struggling with the final two levels, but earning it all on your ownThat game is what made me love unlocking characters. And Wolf's words still stay with me to this day.
>>738630580Wolf is literally the only thing about Assault I like. He gets people who over-analyze into paralysis.
>buy assault to replay my favorite gamecube title>both my wii and gamecube break>buy another wii>its broken too
>>738630580It was some bullshit not including Leon and Panther as unlockables
>>738630679Dude, emulate.
>>738630702starfox adventures is different when emulatedi did 2 hours in both back to back the physics are different
>>738630364>tfw missed the ending cutscene because dad walked in just as I beat Andross and I had to quickly turn off the TV so he wouldn't see the giant demonic robo monkey>>738630454What I mean is like it has a day/night cycle while letting you freely explore, so you get comfy music and creatures go to sleep, new types spawn, like jak & daxter, any of the 3d zeldas etcThat shit in a fun to explore game that isn't just open world ubislop is one of my favorite things
>>738630679Download an .iso and look up one of those aftermarket Gamecube SD card readers, they're easy to install and not too expensive.
>>738630751>day/night cycle while letting you freely explore, so you get comfy music and creatures go to sleep, new types spawnngl my favorite part about Xenoblade 1
>>738630679I fucking love my homebrew Wii.Still going strong.
>>738630507Why can't we have character/armour designs like this in kids games anymoreIt looks cool as shit
>>738630279Still stands out to me neither Star Fox games were shown for NSO. But there are plenty games missing so.
>>738624509Did you miss the memo that the original vision was just an unrelated Animal Planet game with kemonos and dinos or what.>>738612738Reminder: Krystal did everything wrong.
>>738630874i beat luigi's mansion and sunshine on the switch and they were much harder than the gamecube release how is that much input lag acceptable???
>>738630874Nintendo only has Starfox OG, Starfox 2, and Starfox 64 on NGO. I don't think they wanna touch Adventures (cause Rare). Assault is a maybe.
Say ehat you want about Assault, but that game is what made me care about the team as characters. And the music and weight of Peppy's sacrifice formed a core basis for me on caring when a character dies in order for others to move on. Even if he did live at the end, as a kid it made me feel the weight of the final mission.https://youtu.be/TTb_smDqJ6g
>>738630825It is "I will now buy your game" tier for me when devs do that, doesn't work so well if its a soulless open world game like breath of the wild or any AAA westoid shit
>>738630935>put this shit on a $100-$150 chinkheld with a phone processor and depending on what you can get you can play most of the GC and Wii library fine, potentially even 2x resolution with almost zero issues while playing tightly, smooth as butter>put this shit on a $450-500 device that should be outstripping the chinkhelds on power and it can't help but have input lag
>>738630878Women are allowed to be wrong when they're fertility goddesses
Looking back on it now, did Pigma have some basis on Porky during Assault? Because his creepiness, willingness to abandon his humanity, and generally being a piece of shit, really makes me think about both of them being pigs. Also, Pigma's Apparoid form scared the shit out of me when I was younger.
>>738630994its okay for what it is. I don't like more than two cutscenes in my sf games personally, i think whatever story is going on should be told during gameplay
>>738630290They should've rework this fucker into the plot instead of giving us an Andross rematch
>>738631329what a fucking unit, looks like a chad right out of DOOM
>>738631329He needs to be piloting a giant dragon head that breathes fire at you in the Arwing sectionThen you chase him into a volcano and kill him by trapping him in lava
>>738631120>Looking back on it now, did Pigma have some basis on Porky during Assault?Nah, that's just Nintendo seeing Pigs as villains. Ganon is a Pig, Pigma is a Pig, and Porky is a Pig kid. So he was just fitting in with his villainous brothers.
>>738630878List a single thing Krystal did wrong
>>738630994They never showed the great fox in battle nor show peppy being attacked from within the great fox. They also coped out from actually killing anyone good.
>>738632016She didn't become my gf and kiss me on the lips
>>738630878By your "logic", Super Mario Bros. 2 is not actually a Mario game.
>>738632551there are plenty of people who think this, probably not a ton now but it's not like no one ever would disagree with thatpersonally it's my fave of the games and I put tons of time into it as a kid so I don't care and the broader Mario franchise has taken plenty from it at this point if you want to be an autist
>>738632016She didn't find any way to stand on her own as a characrer and is relegated to being a love interest for fox. Her entire existence in star fox is tied to fox and she has no real established character traits outside that
>>738632016She fell for fox instead of me!
>>738630994>they're dead but not really!This is a trope everyone hates especially in JRPGs (also shounen anime) and I want it to die. If you're gonna kill someone off you have to commit to it you slant-eyed fucks.
>>738633483So.... basically Amy rose of star fox?
>>738605716was a good thread
