Is it just me or is the logic in this game really dumb?
>>738615532AA cases don't always make sense in retrospect see 3-5, and especially 4-3.I get that's it's difficult to write many mysteries in a row but lol
no... muh hecking logicerino!! i thought this was a serious grounded test of my wits and not a fun zany story!
>>738616727What a retarded post
>>738616727>things cant be both fun and make sense at the same time
>>738616727Anon AA is literally a mystery game where half of the gameplay is spotting contradictions...
>>738616727It has nothing to do with testing wit you fucking idiot. It's a mystery game so the entire point on the game relies on it's logic being consistent which allows you as a player to intuit solutions. Without consistent logic you cannot have a mystery game because intuition doesn't work. Genuinely the dumbest post I've seen on this site in weeks. I can guarantee you're a third worlder.
>>738616759>>738616876>>738616974>>738617061imagine playing through any ace attorney game and thinking this lmao. the mystery is completely irrelevant to the gameplay beyond a framing device. it is impossible to solve any of them without the constant spur of the moment plot twists. the retards are you. it's sherlock.
>>738619397He just gets even stupider.
>>738619397Actual retard indeed.Many times if your IQ has at least 3 digits, you will find yourself ahead of the game and mildly annoyed at how long it took for Phoenix to get there, or how specific the game is about the evidence required to progress when you could make the argument with a different piece anyways.
>>738615532It's contrived where they literally have a piece of paper with someone scribbling their motivations on them, and you use that to prove they are involved. To be honest, all of the non-Takumi games have this problem. He has his moon logic moments but they're usually not something that really shouldn't exist in the world. In the main games and Great Ace Attorney when something isn't making sense it's usually just because they're talking about 1 topic but want you to prove something that's non-sequitur. But in AAI, AAI2, Dual Destinies and SoJ, it's full of like>The reason we saw that man jumping out of the sewer like he had just crawled through it, was because there was a TRAMPOLINE inside it, and he FELL on it.
>>738616583What about 3-5 was worse "in retrospect" that wasn't already bad to begin with? I was cursing out loud at my Nintendo DS at the entire topic about Larry's painting and the pendulum swing, where you have to prove that an unconscious woman was wrapped into a cut rope from a burning, collapsing wooden bridge, swung over to the other side of it, and manually release herself as the rope reached it.It isn't just a "oh now that I think back on it that was silly" it was a full blown "HOW IS THAT THE ANSWER? THAT SHOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE?? NO FUCKING WAY, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENED. BULL. SHIT"
I dropped Apollo justice because MC's special ability is just badgering the witness and not getting called out on it.
>aha! i got you phoenix! you said he was a rebel and the killer a rebel hunter, but now he know he wasnt a rebel>5 seconds later>so he was a rebel and....>he escaped prison and needed a disguise (even though he already wearing one)im barely into this 3rd case and i dont even care to spoil myself. its the wife isnt it
>the clock wasn't slow, it was le fast!!dishonest game design
>>738624568It literally doesn't matter.All you need to know is that there's a time discrepancy, and it's caused by timezones existing.People always overreach when it comes to mystery I swear. You have to figure out the logic itself, not every single detail or explanation which might or might not be hinted in full. In this case you could know, but note that it would change nothing about the underlying logic problem.
japanese games have a habit of overexplaining simple things and glossing over very complex things
>>7386165834-3 is the most hated case in the entire franchise and it still doesn't get enough hate. Seriously, fuck 4-3. I'd play the circus case twice before redoing 4-3 once.
>>738625284At least the circus case has a funny image of a dude in a wheelchair dropping a bust with some MacGuyver rig.
the zvarri guy case about a thief, 3-2 i think, was pretty boring
>>738615532I only remember two instances of the logic bothering me.In case 2 when the magician guy managed to mess with the crime scene because the police was busy evacuating the building (I mean, there's a dead guy and no one tries to get close to see if he's okay at all?).And in case 3 where the monk puts some snow on the body to try and make it seem like he died earlier. Otherwise I thought it was fine.
>>738626585For me it's 5-2>put two guys to sleep>go to rob his family gold or whatever>treasure missing, motive for crime entirely gone>bludgeon victim to death anyways>could've gotten rich off of selling his exclusive perfume but too much of a faggot to consider doing that
>>738625542I wonder if he is a reference to something and funnier in japanese
>>738615532i played and replayed big top and i still don't see what is so bad about it or the criticism it gets ever making sense>hurr durr it's predictable when acro appearswhat case isn't predictable once a key character appears? in the previous ones it was obvious who did it from the very beggining>hurr durr the way the ringmaster gets killed is sillyfirst time playing the series?>hurr durr the characters they are by far more bearable than the previous ones with lotta, the doctor, hotti, ini, wellington and morgan being insufferable, at least i can laugh at the circus freaks being ridiculous>hurr durr max is an assholeok, and? also he wasn't wrong about the circus being almost dead before he joined>hurr durr but it penalizes you for pressing moeget good, seriously, it's a non issue>hurr durr but acro doesn't have a silly face when he has a breakdownit's better that he remains stoic, he knows he fucked up bad and that his plans was a point of no return but he only wanted justice for his brother that is BY FAR more sympathetic than ini and morgan who we don't even see having a breakdown she just dissapears and we are told she is in jail>hurr durr but it has no connections to the plotwrong, just wrongi now see that people only dislike it bexause of herd mentality and the love triangle with regina, something that barely matters in the whole thing
>>738627165It being Phoenix's 7th case up to that point in time (8th if you count RftA) and him needing Maya to interject just as the trial comes to a close because he can't fathom that Acro hid the bust under his chair was annoying.
>>738627165its usually a mix of herd mentslity and fags crying because regina is only 6 or whateverits one of the best cases in the serieslike you said, brainlets will overfixate on surface level things arw acceptable for herd thought. im supposed to hate that the clown makes jokes...just because! ace attorney is all about le epic reactions! a funny penalty gimmick in an aa game where its not at all punishing isnt fair wah why did they try something novel
>>738627165The puppet guy is the worst witness in this series even outside of trial segments because he barely has anything funny to say. Even AAI wasn't that bad. He's mogged by the pervert doctor and larry
>>738630289>circus case is le bad>aai is le badgot ourselves one of those morons right here in the flesh
>>738627165I didn't like the characters>but what about these other charactersdidn't like them either.
>>738625225they're games for children that's what they all do
>>738632237what you think i meant is different than what i actually meant
>>738623308The new system of law basically says unless you can convict someone else in the courtroom, the first person blamed has to be the culprit unless they have an airtight alibi, which no PW client has.
>>738615532SOJ doesn't have anything that's particularly retarded that I can think of. Logic wise it's decently consistent. I actually quite like SOJ.
>>7386270262-3, 4-3, and 5-2 are the undelible low points of the series; truly dogshit.
>>738627165There's a lot of backtracking across the same 3-4 screens over and over again just to be dripfed a lot of shit that barely matters, with three characters whose entire gimmick is wasting your time rambling about nonsense before you can pry a clue out of them. Of course this is in every case but big top is the worst of it by far. People single out Moe as the worst but really it's him, oldbag and trilo back to back that really bogs everything down. Either of them alone wouldn't be as bad.
>>738632459i mean you said it yourself, going to the same locations and characters rambling is the entire series.going to a unique location with unique characters that fit that location is something the series doesnt so enough of.yes yes lets call out the bel air reference but gloss over every other one of thousands of jokes and references. "my hemmoroids are doing the harlem shake"there just isnt a convincing argument against this case.
>>738632434all of dual destinies is shit except one case that was actually good, the dlc one at the aquarium
>>738624487This one actually ends up having a pretty unique killer in the end. Not gonna spoil who, but it won't be obvious until later in the case.There's another cool subversion that happens in that case too. Keep playing.
>>738632751Dual Destinies is literally the best one, tied with Trials and Tribulations
>>738632869Dual Destinies is probably the most phony storyline in the series.It feels "cringe" not because the characters act cringe but because it gives off an impression that the writer views the cast as like "Superheroes" or something.
>>738632682It's a personal opinion but again, I don't like the characters, and they tend to make or break a case for me, not sure what more there is to say really.
>>738632869trolling used to mean something in my day
>>738632869Yeah, nobody thinks this...>>738632751DLC was good, and 5-3 was fine as far as filler cases are concerned.
>>738632983no offense but judging character baed on whether you like them and not based on quality of writing, purpose, the mechanics and design of storytelling etc is normalfag shitNo one LIKES Gaston in Beauty & the Beast as a real person, but hes a great character
>>738632459>There's a lot of backtracking across the same 3-4 screens over and over again just to be dripfed a lot of shit that barely mattersbut enough about farewell my turnabouthaving to drag that trial for that long was tiring, jesusbig top isn't the opus of the franchise but it gets dragged through the mud in a way that its honestly exaggerated at this point
>>738615532It's pretty obvious AA's plot is only there to serve as a hint for a point and click esque puzzles.If you have an experience of reading a single mystery novel you'd know, but I think the game is self-aware and I don't that's always bad as it does serve the gameplay even if it didn't serve the narrative.
It's the only AA game where I just stopped. I was on the final case but it was so boring a predictable that I dropped it and never picked it up again. I may buy the Apollo Justice trilogy when it becomes dirt cheap though
Big Top is Shakespeare compared to DD
>>738633228Oh yeah I love Gaston as a character, he's great, not a person i'd meet with in real life, but I think your misunderstanding me.I don't like these characters, as characters, I'm not judging them based on if i'd have a drink with them, Acro in particular I think fails at what he was intended to be.
>>738627165>Doesn't even mention that your client is a nonceI legit thought the twist was gonna be, well you didn't kill the guy, but you're absolutely banging a teenager, so G U I L T YOther than that it's a good case. You should absolutely get penalized for pressing statements so every cross-examination isn't just "press everything, twice." Also Wright's nemesis being a clown is pretty funny.
>>738619397The twists are revealed as a consequence of your breaking through the lies, you fucking retard
>>738635130You're on 4chan so people here will either overlook that or think it's based.
>>738635130>>738635428Her being 16 is not relevant to the quality of the case.And besides, 16 is legal in most of Japan.
>>738615532>The game which revolves around region full of spiritualists>Logic
>>738636214Technically her age does matter to the case because it's part of why her being so naive and sheltered is realistic, in fact aging her up would make the case flow much worse.With that said her age and how it relates to other characters still isn't really a factor to my lack of enjoyment with it.
>>738636437people keep saying x isnt the reason i dont like the cae which just sounds more and more like not having a reason beyond its popular to hate it and wanting to fit it (note this happens on asubconscious level, even if youre not aware youre doing it)
>>738636437She's mentally like 8 tops. Even Pearl behaves more mature.
>>738636802thats just how japanese women are
>>738636735what you want me to, type up an info graph on why i don't like the characters?It's really not that deep, I'm not going to enjoy playing something like dustborn because of it's characters either, it's the same thing.
i cant believe we are still suggesting maya killed the 2nd guy when he was killed during the trial and literally no one is bringing up the fact that she was literally in court, the best alibi one could conceivably have
>>738615532It's the second worst AA game after JFA.
>>738636735>give reason>sounds to me like you don't have a reasonplease kill yourself, you're just making me hate big top even more
>>738636934were at the point where it would require analysis of the script and dialogue which no one wants to do.but i and others maintain these are unique characters befitting the setting who act in function like any characters do in any good AA case. there are many worse cases throughout DD, SoJ and other games, not to mention how bad writing is across the board in video games. i just dont think a clown making jokes and laughing or a ventriloquist using a puppet is some outlandish bad thing outside the realm of whats normal in AA. theyre not even voiced, so one cant be annoyed by their voice or anything.its not an argument against whether you personally like it or not. its that the case for suggesting its this god aeful dogshit case worst case of all time rhetoric is incredibly weak
>>738637076JFA is better than SOJ and DD combined, and is still better than 4>>738637101the reason given being that regina is 16 and some 20 year olds suggest liking her renders the whole case trash?
I haven't played DD or SoJ since they came out and remember almost nothing, should I replay them some time?
>>738637297Try all the other reasons above that you reframe and reduce to dismiss them as bandwagoning. I literally replaed JFA a month ago thinking the the hate was exaggerated only to remember just how annoying and time wasting big top really was. Sorry you're Max Galactica's bravest soldier but people don't like it for plenty of reasons and calling them sheep isn't going to change that.
>>738637221Alright so let's briefly talk about one character, Acro, the key character that the entire case revolves around. He is suppose to be a sympathetic murderer, I do not find him sympathetic.On one hand, he's written very dumbly, he seems to be aware the target of his hatred is retarded, and yet he still thinks she's smart enough to understand the threatening letter he gave her, she isn't.On the other hand, he still intended to kill a girl in revenge for something she isn't even aware of her role in, and he does this without talking to the Ringmaster about her behavior, or just blowing up in public calling her a double nigger retard for putting his brother in a coma and that he isn't sent to the stars. He also refuses to think about how his father figure and benefactor would react or feel about Regina dying even if his plan worked.When taking all of this put together and seeing that when Regina is confronted with the awful truth of reality, she breakdowns crying and realizes that her actions lead to what happened, which makes the entire case feel like it could've been avoided if the adults in the circus, acted like adults, it's not sympathetic to me.I felt nothing for him when he was crying in his breakdown, he deserved to go to jail, him skipping the "talk to her or her dad about his problems" and "just yell at her to her face about the truth" steps and jumping straight to murder regardless of the consequences is not sympathetic.Call me whatever, I doubt this will satisfy you or change your mind, but this is how I think regarding who I consider the worst written character of the case, and that isn't changing anytime soon.
>>738637531>allll these reasonsso, ALLLL those reasons being not that regina was 6, but that "i personally didnt like the characters and will not elaborate"there is nothing wrong with the characters. saying you want to fit in like a sheep is better than the alternative, that youre just a complete moron
Replaying T&T after a long time having played the AJ games recently. It's refreshing to have some challenging testimonies and a protagonist that doesn't scream "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!" and keep his mouth agape for 10 seconds at the slightest pushback by the prosecution>>738637052IIRC indicated time of death was well before the first body was discovered
>>738637817OBJECTION!>*Pours glass of wine*>*Picks up chalice*>*Throw it in the candles*No u.
>>738637674trying to make villains sympathetic, forgiven, or joining the good guys is common trope in japanese media.magus in chrono trigger, edgeworth, franziska, godot, etc in AA. Yamcha, Tien, Vegeta, Piccolo, Buu, etc in Dragon Ball.I do not see issue with a misinterpreted letter. Its a device that gets one to kill a person other than who they intended, and his misjudgement of her character is part of the story.He not talking it out with the father is something both common in AA cases and japanese generally not talking things out. If hes revenge minded I dont think he cares about what the father thinks, once youre in murder mode a lot of logic goes out the window.We can talk all day about AA cases or any Japanese drama story where things would be ok if they just talked things out. Then again, would talking things out remove him blaming her for his death?I dont feel much for any characters in any case. I view the cases first and foremost as puzzles and whodunnit mysteries snd this one did a fine job of it. There was a weird thing about the specifics of how he dropped the item to kill the guy that seemed weird logically but i dont remember what it was. But every case has weird things in logic.Emotions are more complex than explainable human interactions. 3-5 is agreed to be one the best cases in the series, but its not like I really cared that much about Godot or Mia or Maya etc. The moments, use of music, callbacks, final objection etc all create emotion. All that said, its still fine and realistic enough for someone to get angry enough to murder for revenge and regret it later, ESPECIALLY after accidentally killing someone you liked instead. I watch hundreds of police interrogation videos. Some people dont give a shit but some do feel genuine remorse. Its not odd to be remorseful and think about things you shouldve doneSo youre right, im not convinced by your argument
>>738638202Hey you wanted my explanation, I gave it even when I knew it'd be a waste of time, so don't bother me about this again.
>>738638298youre argument sounds like what people of average intelligence do.you have a gut reaction feeling first and then try to to explain it in terms that seem to make sense but arent the real reasons.most people will explain their fetishes with srmchair psychology when it all it comes down to is psychological association with things or acts and orgasm.Youre overfixated on emotion and characters and not writing, the mystery, how its set up, unique setting or any other factor. and now you give up entirely are you perhaps a woman?
>seance of monk failedok hes alivehow long are we gonna pretend to not know this
Bump
>>738627165For me it's:>bad pacing, a lot of circling back and forth >Acro is not as sympathetic as the game tries to make him: this dude still wanted to kill an airhead teenager for something that's basically an accident, ended up killing the nicest guy in the circus, and tried to frame Max for it>as thus, it completely wastes the concept of having a nice guy/girl as the true culprit >it's a literal circus case but the characters aren't very entertaining If anything, it motivated me to try my hand at writing a case that's a mix of 2-3 and 4-3 in spirit, but fixes all of the issues I had with it. Especially having the most sympathetic culprit ever, along with a smol defendant who is difficult enough to imagine killing an adult man, and more than anything is noted to be an easily intimidated girl.
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>>738643830>>738636297The post was ignored because it is far too stupid to pay attention to
Hot take: Pursuit 2002 is actually the best out of PW trilogy. Cornered is iconic but not even the best theme in the first game.Although I would say that, overall, the first game does have the best trial music.JFA still very eh, T&T has the most kino allegro and truth theme, though the pursuit is eh.
are you joking? The mysteries in the OG writer games were the worst part>LE MONKEY HEAD FELL ON PATH THAT MEANS ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO SNEAK THROUGH THE WOODS ADOUND IT>SOMEHOW I SNUCK A BODY THROUGH A POLICE STATION WITH CAMERAS INTO MY SUBORDINATES LOCKED TRUNK>BROKEN NECK DIED INSTANTLY? HE MISPELLED THE VICTIMS NAME>bust catch on cape.>HMD IN WRONG EAR AND PICKED UP CUP WITH WRONG HAND? CLEARLY IT WAS A FAKE VICTIM AND FAKE CRIME BEING SET UP LATER TO CREATE A WITNESS>fucking pendulum on burning bridge>the entirety of concert casethe og writer cant do mysteries
Turnabout Time Traveler is the worst case in the entire series
this islamic prosecutor is out here doing trunks's burning attack
>>738646962>THAT MEANS ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO SNEAK THROUGH THE WOODS ADOUND ITFunnily enough, that's sort of addressed since there is a kid literally doing that.>SOMEHOW I SNUCK A BODY THROUGH A POLICE STATION WITH CAMERAS INTO MY SUBORDINATES LOCKED TRUNK1-5 is weird.>BROKEN NECK DIED INSTANTLY? HE MISPELLED THE VICTIMS NAMEThat's just Payne being dumb.>bust catch on cape.Unlikely but not impossible.>HMD IN WRONG EAR AND PICKED UP CUP WITH WRONG HAND? CLEARLY IT WAS A FAKE VICTIM AND FAKE CRIME BEING SET UP LATER TO CREATE A WITNESSI mean. How else are you going to explain it other than the shitpost mirror claim?The dude literally could not hear shit, and it would be difficult to drink the cup with the opposite hand as the handle. You try that and see how it looks like.>fucking pendulum on burning bridgeNot sure if this one is actually impossible. It's just some crazy setup that breaks suspension of disbelief and feels like it's just a mystery device, no reasonable human would have pulled it ever.>the entirety of concert caseTrue>the og writer cant do mysteriesAs opposed to who, Yamazaki?Lol. Though to be fair, I'd say he is less bad at mystery writing and more at "ace attorney writing". He doesn't understand how to properly use the format and the CEs to build up towards the solutions.
I love the rube goldberg machine crimes of investigations and the AJ trilogy, theyre more fun
>heres a photo of abbot, wife, maya, and monk boy eating stinky shit day before the rite>btw day before the right abbot and judge were eating different food without the wife or maya at the same time frame......what
I think Penny is cute. sorry no picture, borrowing sister's phone.
>mountain of evidence against wife>nah cant be her, shes pregnantuhh wha>jk its the wifesigh
>>738648318that picture with maya wasnt from the day before the rite i dont think
>>738649137they made a whole point about it beinf tradition to eat the stinky food between 12 and 3 the day before the rite.and the seance vision of the monk boy included the smell of the said food, which was used as evidence to date the crime to the day before the rite, and they were all talking about how the murder occured while they were eating in that time framei mean maybe im wrong. but a whole lot of nonsense in that case. i put this game off for kike 6 years after the first 2 and i remember why now. that was an undwhelming case
>>738649459i just looked at the script. The picture was taken at 2pm, she went to train and then judge and wife came for dinner
>>738637076AA3 and DD are objectively worse.
>>738648808>>738649459All your posts itt you missed basic and clear things and made wrong deductions about the case, admit it
>>738648808The pregnancy was about whether she could be the rebel hunter
>>738648808it was about her being the agile fast rebel hunter, she just pushed a slab of rock
>>738627165>hurr durr but it has no connections to the plotThis isn't even true, the circus plays a role in 2-4 when Mia tries to pinpoint Maya's location.
>>738627770Tbf I'm googling pictures of wheelchairs and I've yet to find one where you could realistically hide something as large as a bust AND bring it with you. Unless Acro was hiding it right behind his legs.
>>738615532>5-2>Nayuta accuses Trucy of luring Mr. Reus into the wrong coffin so she could stab him>then he reveals he knew about the prank plan all along and that Reus went inside that coffin on purpose?
>>738655390I meant 6-2
desu i still cant believe people didn't like 5-3, the whole scene with hugh saying it was his body double is one of the funniest moments in the series>blackquill just fucking leaves
>>738655390he did not know it was a prank beforehand, he simply researched it. he asked bonny and betty to confirm it. Only then did he bring up the note he found because it took on new meaning
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>>738657496Why does he have my penalty bar in his graphs.
>>7386562575-3 is definitely the case of all timeI loved it but I can completely understand why someone would hate the shit out of it
>>738657496>>738657634>>738657842i love how subtle 5-3 is in its messaging
>here's 3 culprits for free broDD is so fucking shit man
>>738656257It's a dumbass case but gotta admit I find the setting entertaining. It has soul.The series needed more cases with highschooler bullshit.Would have preferred the true culprit to be a student though. Much more dramatic that way than to have professors killing each other.
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>>738646962Yeah Takumi is a retard who is incredibly bad at writing a compelling logical mystery, he would just paper over it with emotional drama and copious amounts of alcohol. You can tell the Yamazaki writing room at least bothers to blackboard out most of their scenarios outside Investigations 1 which obviously seemed to have a very confused and disoriented development cycle
Getting penalized for pressing completely benign intermediary statements that would never reveal anything is good, actually.
It's better than Apollo and DD but it's still rather mediocre. I still like it because Rayfa makes me go feral. More like Raypa.
Spirit of Justice is the second best AA game.
>>738658419I'm still of the idea that the whole HP/penalty thing needed a complete rework.Works of the first couple of games, but if you want more involved trial segments, I was writing a list of things I'd do just a few days ago.
>>738632428My issue with 6 is the length and overreliance on magic, but I gotta admit the final case is really cool.
>>738658543Unironically yes, "there are situations in which it is excusable to act less than honestly" and Phoenix himself literally pulled some bs in AJ.
>>738623145What are some examples of "moon logic"? And to be sure I understand, this means " logic so silly in construct that it must make a little more sense when possessing Japanese sensibilities or humor"?
>>738632751You are correct
>>738658901True! Ironically a better application of "the dark age of the law" than literally anything else in the franchise.
>>738657496>>738657634>>738657842Should've been named Mack E. Vellis
I'm Aristotle Means and I always say what I mean and mean what I say by all means.
>>738658570her interactions with phoenix are extremely funny, i wish we got more investigations scenes with her. i love me a good tsundere
>>738658570Her voice does not fit a 14 year old
>>738659954JP or just eng?
>>738659973Not sure what JP sounds like but ENG was a shocker when I first played SoJ
>>738659954Anglos can't voice kids. What's new? Even Pragmata sounds like shit. Thankfully JP is an option.
Nahyuta SUCKED
>>738660393>jailbait sidekick #2037 who gets to attack the protagonist just for some Japanese www's Yeah, kinda tired of this trope. Doe that just mean the franchise isn't for me anymore?
>>738661741That's Rayfa.And the jailbait sidekick is important.
>>738615532THAT TWINK BLIND MANLET KILLED THAT HUGE AGENT GUY USING A REVOLVER THAT WOULD BREAK ANYONES ARM
>>738648808The husband made things way too complicated lmao just push the guy in the fucking MOUNTAIN don't abandon your wife and future child like this
>>738662291no, he couldnt. He HAD to fool the seance and shift the blame
Name a more COMPLICATED plan
There are individual good cases in the 3ds Ace Attorney games but they are so damn mid compares to the original trilogy and investigations games, mostly just because the bad cases are a lot worse. I've replayed the ds games several times but you'd have to pay me to sit through the 3DS games a second time without skipping cases.
>>738662463I hated Kay in ii2, every fucking conversation was>Omg I MAY steal that XD>No kay you can'tA shame because it should have used Gumshoe, Eddie or even Sebastian more
>>738662367No body no seance since they didn't know his real identityOr just make a trap where he accidentally falls
>>738662045Fuck, thank you
>>738662553i liked kay when she had a concussion and forgot she was a memelord
>>738620195This is especially egregious in AA2. I think they did an overall better job of it in part 3.
Why give THREE backgrounds to Apollo? Hey remember that best friend he NEVER talked about and how he learned his cathprhase he NEVER used in the first game?
Alright, how about...Instead of a single HP bar, split it in multiple and make it work this way:>you start with 5 bars, they are *half filled*>good presses and answers will fill your currently active bar, if it overflows then it will begin to fill the others>bad presses and answers will lower your currently active bar, but they cannot destroy it>incorrect presents and important wrong answers will lower your currently active bar, and if the damage is higher or equal than current amount, the bar is destroyed and the next bar becomes active>specific wrong presents and wrong answers will destroy a bar regardless of how much damage it can take - not to be used for generic CE of course, only the biggest twists>you cannot gain back destroyed bars on the same day, but you can gain them back in investigation minigames like psyche locks if you don't fuck them up - think of a grade system that rewards you accordingly at the end of the day>if you beat the entire episode with all the 5 bars filled at 100%, you get some special dialogue per case, might be required for true ending on the very final episode
You mean to tell me that a series where a guy wrote his murderer's name after breaking his heck has logic issues?
>>738663361ButHe didn't.Payne just claimed that because he dum. And Phoenix didn't catch the obvious contradiction because he had literally amnesia.
Thanks to whoever mentioned Hero of Law in one of the last few AA threads. Was a very fun romp and I liked everything about it except for the ending. The secret bonus case was fun too.I hope theyre doing more cases eventually.
>>738663968Yea it's cool.Liked the neat prosecution rebuttal mini-CE, and the thought route animation is kino. For something inspired by Dual Destinies(or at least 3D AA, the mechanics aren't from 2D AA even ignoring the graphics) of all things, it's too fucking good.Somebody better try a Mario hack next. Maybe Sunshine if you can do that for.. obvious reasons.
Igiari!By the way, apparently Japanese courts don't say it much.
>>738662409I like the common thief. He did his plan better and more efficiently.
>>738636297it is absolutely possible for a game with magic to still have logic. in fact thats the appeal.
>>738638202Not him but>trying to make villains sympathetic, forgiven, or joining the good guys is common trope in japanese mediaThat sounds like it should be excused because it's Japanese writing when the fact is Acro was a retard and is not deserving of any sympathy. If they wanted to use that trope they should have done something different, I feel more sympathy for Mimi Miney and how she saw an out to a fresh life but had to kill to keep her cover from being blown.
>tfw
6-3 is the worst case in the whole series. The logic is just as bad as 4-3's, and it zero good characters (aside from Inga, who's based) and almost no humour. Plus, the game shoves it in your face about how this is the case where Maya returns to the series, but then she spends the whole episode doing almost nothing. Instead Phoenix has to investigate with Rayfa, who is annoying as fuck. Ema and Maya, the assistants from the very Ace Attorney game, are present together for the first time and yet they don't even interact whatsoever. What a missed opportunity.
>>738671508I don't think it's too hard to make a sympathetic murderer, even if you don't want to go with the "it was just an accident" route.Problem is, Acro indeed doesn't fit. Mimi only slightly, it's still a personal revenge plot and she had no remorse about trying to blame it Maya.I'd think a sympathetic murderer needs a motive that's basically either arguably self-defense/trying to protect somebody else from a POS victim, and only didn't turn themselves in for something or somebody they really care about - and it should be noted at some point they are basically feeling bad for the defendant. Maybe somewhere during the final CE if the defense is about to give up.
>>738627165Big Top is one of the best pleb filters. One of the better cases in the series IMO
>>738656257It's a kino case while being completely stupid as well, it's mostly saved by the characters being entertaining and dare I say, likeable?>>738658901In general I do like how 5 attempted to touch on the fact of "yeah Phoenix actually decided to do shady shit in 4" and you see how wide spread and natural it is, it even results in Apollo refusing to cooperate because he assumes Phoenix will rig evidence to find Athena innocent>>738660393Nahyuta is fantastic until the last case where they try to make him another edgeworth instead of uh, kinda a jerk what he's been for 3 cases straight, It doesn't really work because Edgeworth and even Blackquill show sympathetic or positive qualities before their last cases, Nahyuta doesn't.>>738671508>>738672339Yeah Mimi I found slightly sympathetic, enough that I think she was decently written, even tho again she murdered a man and tried to frame Maya for it.It's why Acro stands out more because he's clearly meant to be more sympathetic than Mimi but people generally don't find him as such, seeing these two cases one after the other makes it stick out more in how wrong it feels.
>>738672636It's a case that doesn't really land the way the author intended it.
>>738672805>It's why Acro stands out more because he's clearly meant to be more sympathetic than Mimi but people generally don't find him as suchI suppose I'm in the minority, but I felt much more sympathy for Acro than Mimi. In fact, I didn't really feel any for Mimi because she murdered a man for revenge and then conspired with the evil aunt to frame an innocent girl for it. I felt pity for Acro's lot in life. And of course, he made a mistake which he tried to cover up.
SoJ Maya is so damn hot
>>738673032I pity him right until he jumps to a murder attempt that he didn't need to do before other steps, I can't really justify an excuse as to why Regina needed to die for being a sheltered retard, meanwhile I can devil's advocate an excuse why one less Gray Turner in the world wouldn't be too bad, and that's really what it comes down too, Mimi's target is less sympathetic, so it makes her more sympathetic, even if it's only slightly because again, she had no issues with ruining Maya's life over it, which isn't excusable.The only way I could realistically feel for Acro is 1. Regina is actually just an evil, awful person2. Acro actively tried to talk about his resentment to others but the entire circus brushes him off so he withdraws inward further and goes for the only extreme that they will listen to.or 3. was willing to turn himself in after everything, showing that he regret his actions, you gotta fight him tooth and nail to get him to break, meanwhile in the case of Mimi, Franziska wants to keep the case going but Mimi surrenders once pressured enough, showing that she's willing to atone even if she isn't able to.
>>738673609>1. Regina is actually just an evil, awful personThat's probably the biggest one.Regina is established as a completely friendly airhead, wanting to kill her doesn't bode well for your moral resume even if her dumbassery is dangerous.
>>738673816Actually thinking about it, we're talking about what makes a good sympathetic murder or not in a thread that is starting off discussing 6-3.You know, the case where there is a sympathetic murderer in regards to the Pregnant woman, there's something really funny about that how this case that's been in our faces the entire thread, managed to figure out how to make a "murderer" sympathetic completely even if she isn't the culprit. But that'd be admitting that Yamazaki did something better than Takumi and if someone is brain rotted about japanese gave devs being their fathers, that's just too much to admit to for some people, I'm not even a Yamazaki guy but it always frustrates me when people can't objectively think or talk about these games without thinking in absolutes
>>738674225That’s true. But that case also wants you to think The Abbot is sympathetic too, which doesn’t work for me.
>>738674663Yeah he's kinda a cunt even if I understand where he's coming from.the case really only works half way in that regard unfortunately.
I still say Turnabout Serenade and Recipe for a Turnabout are far worse than Turnabout Big Top.
>>738674937I think the highs of Recipe are much higher than those other two cases but I can't disagree that the lows of it are, shockingly bad considering it's a case that seemed fine to me at first.Serenade is close to being a good case but fumbles every mark while committing a worse crime than Big Top, having bland characters.
>game is supposed to be about this weird country where everyone hates attorneys but only half of the cases happen there, and one of cases that doesn't is a complete filler>the final case has two very clearly separate halves but they don't count as different cases for some reason>that absolutely shameful nostalgia bait DLC case where the entire script felt rushed and soulless
Anyone else find 6-1 a guilty pleasure?
>>738677081Nah, I consider it an alright case.Not amazing mind you, but It's an opening case that i left satisfied with and I could easily put it above at least 2-1.
>>738677081I think it's a good first case, higher stakes than a lot of others, an I enjoyed the singing gimmick
>>738677564Opening case rankings (no aai) :4>3>G1>6>G2>1>2>5
I like 6-4, Turnabout Storyteller, but that's just because your Assistant is hilarious.
