Is this good as a first ever Zelda? that new reverse engineered PC version thing just dropped was thinking I'd finally give a Zelda a try
>>738622381It’s fine. There are a couple of moments where they try to spotlight a character or item or location in a way that’s very clearly the devs saying, “Look, it’s this thing you recognize remade in pretty graphics!” But it doesn't take away from the experience to not get the fanservice.
>>738622381Not really no, play OoT first at least
>>738622381TP and OoT are the best ones, so yeah go enjoy yourself.
>>738622381I genuinely think you'd miss out by playing this before Ocarina of Time, which conveniently also has a PC recomp so it's just as easy to pick up and play.
>>738622381It's a really good game, regardless of what, or what little it has in common with the original or BotW. It's an intriguing, forward-moving game with lots of locations and a darkly heroic story to it, where you enter dungeons and fight bosses, and get surprise after surprise in the gameplay/mechanics department.When the game ends you will feel sad at how "final" it is.That said, I wouldn't call it the best Zelda in the franchise. It's missing some of the charm and warmth that defined the earlier games, and it doesn't have the sense of relaxing bliss that BotW has.
>>738622549>>738622574>>738622643>>738622668OoT first for gemeplay or story reasons?
>>738622668Not him but does OoT have a PC recomp of the 3DS port?The 64 version looks so bad I can't take it seriously.
It's my favorite Zelda but I wouldn't start here. The difficulty's certainly low enough, but you're not really gonna get a balanced package between dungeoning and overworld exploration. This one leans more heavily into highlighting the former. The general consensus is to start with either Ocarina of Time and/or A Link to the Past, and I certainly wouldn't rock that boat. But once you play those, do whatever you want.
>>738622836>The 64 version looks so bad I can't take it seriously.Zoomer moment.
>>738622949Literally am a zoomer. Refuse to play anything before PS2 though.
>>738622668I agree on Wind Waker, before OoT, but not TP.TP was the first Zelda where I think I got more disappointed than excited by how it "connects" in a timeline sense. It's the first game where some connections are heavily implied but you can't really make heads or tails of how it actually fits, and ultimately none of it matters to the storytelling.Wind Waker is entirely about holding onto OoT's majestic legacy, and being unable to let go of it. It has a mid-way twist on the whole setting that harkens back to Ocarina of Time directly, and then turns that into one of its primary points of dramatic suspense into the finale.In TP there's just some nods here and there but Hyrule looks different. There are no Gerudo in the desert anymore, and Ganondorf doesn't even talk about the Triforce, and they kinda remade the whole Genesis lore of Hyrule with the weird "interloper" cutscene that basically pivots the Fused Shadows as the new Triforce, and then even that doesn't really have much to do with Ganondorf's plot in the end.In fact you play all of TP and it feels like a lot of little things it maybe alluded to in the first half are quietly abandoned.
>>738623473No. You're a bored 30-something year old dude who has already played the game twice, and you're larping.
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>>738622381Nyeh 2 hour tutorial and boring dungeons and overworld It somehow got even more cancerous with SS
>>738622381>dude wants to play a game called "Twilight Princess">not "War and Explosions Murderfest">"Twilight Princess"I would disown my child if he did said some gay shit like that.
>>738622381It was my first Zelda game, I don't see anything wrong with it being yours
>>738623663The irony is that Twilight Princess was positioned as the most "mature" entry to date. It even had a T rating instead of an E for blood and violence.
>>738622836>>738623473older i get (im 27 now) the more I appreciate oldschool graphics desu, they're oddly beautiful
>>738622785I played OoT after TP, but I think they're both similar games with good gameplay. Both have great dungeon designs. I would say that OoT probably has the better pacing. Most of the games don't account for the story of previous games, but if you want a somewhat connected timeline for OoT and TP it goes like this:OoT > Majora's Mask > TPIn that order. The play order isn't really that important.
>>738623807I was born in the early 90s and I can play shit like Atari 2600 just fine. I genuinely do not understand the concept of a game looking "too old", that is foreign to me.
>>738622381They all are meh, so it doesn't matter where you start
>>738622381Every Zelda game is made for new players to start with, except Majora's Mask
>>738623926Based knower, though I wouldn't recommend starting with Oracle of Ages either.
>>738623887It's just when you play really ancient unc shit like E33 and it's all boomerlike.
it's the best 3D Zelda game you'll ever play.
>>738622381Yeah, Twilight Princess is a good start. You shouldn't worry about it too much because every Zelda title is a recurring tale. Hence why it's called "The legend of Zelda".If you want to try 2D Zelda, you should first try A Link to the Past. It's the best 2D Zelda.
TP is top 3 only if you’ve played OoT beforeIf not it’s still really fucking good but it won’t be as amazing TP=OoT>MM>alttp
>>738622785TP probably won't feel as novel if you play OoT first, since it's basically OoT Memberberries
>>738624012>really ancient unc shit like E33 and it's all boomerlikeAnd a chin chong nip nong to you, young lady.
>>738622785Wind Waker and Twilight Princess are both sequels to OoT. But you don't really gotta have played OoT to enjoy either honestly
>>738622381TP is super linear and on rails with baby tier puzzles. not usre if its good to get it out of the way before you expectations are high or bad because it will turn you off of trying other zeldas.
>>738623887>I was born in the early 90s and I can play shit like Atari 2600I was born in the late '80s and ever since I can remember I hated primitive Atari shit. You're a poser.
>>738622836i'm a 30 year old boomer, and i don't care one way or the other, just know you're losing out on certain things you may or may not find all that important. there's no 3ds port, but you can emulate it using azahar. go here for the emulator https://github.com/azahar-emu/azahar/releasesthe rest is up to you.
>>738624550nta but I'm early 90's too and I don't mind 2600 graphics. Most of the games on that system suck dick for other reasons though. Adventure and Pitfall 2 are the only ones I ever bother replaying
>>738623518>some connections are heavily implied but you can't really make heads or tails of how it actually fits, and ultimately none of it matters to the storytellingThat's how Zelda has always been, that's why there was always so much discussion about a "timeline"
>>738622785Twilight Princess is a direct sequel to Majoras Mask. So OoT -> Majoras Mask -> TP. There's a lot of callbacks to both and the Twili are implied to be the creators of Majoras Mask.
>>738622381Yeah, either this or Wind Waker are the best starts. Botw could be, but I find it's a bit unforgiving.
>>738624713You are a retarded nigger zoomer who didn't grew up with any of this games. Hope this is helpful you ugly ass failure of a generation.
>>738628097Majora's Mask was made from the body of some great big dragon beast by the Fierce Deity. I don't think the Twili actually have anything to do with it other than some design callbacks, which is kind of what TP does in general. It's all callbacks to OoT and more "realistic" Zelda.There's a whole manga that explains the mask which is a fun read.
>>738622836Just mod the 3DS assets into the PC version. It's not perfect, but it looks better than the original
>>738630006Manga isn’t officially backstory stuff. It’s the authors making up something they thought was cool. They take liberties like that. Unless you believe Volvagia was a childhood friend of Link?
>>738622381>Is this good as a first ever Zelda?Fuck no. Don't listen to anyone who tells you it is. It will give you 'Zelda', but in the most neutered, restrictive form it exists in. You Could be playing Ocarina, or the original NES Zelda, or Breath of the Wild etc. and each would offer you a properly exploration focused game in the actual spirit of the series.>>738622668>>738624542TP feels almost like playing a fake knockoff of Zelda trying really hard to actually be a real one. It's honestly not worth playing given how little player agency or discovery there is. You will not get the experience of meaningfully exploring a highly interactive world from it that is the standout characteristic of Zelda, it's much closer to a story driven JRPG and tends to be praised by people who want that sort of thing though its actual storytelling is sloppy compared to most of the series.
>>738625994Nah, it's where people started missing the forest for the trees.The timeline was interesting early on because the games felt like genuine sequels and made you crave a continuity between the same characters reappearing, but questioning whether something was an immediate prequel or a sequel. Ocarina of Time then firmly placed itself as a prequel to ALttP but in a self-contained way in which you see the moment Ganondorf turns into Ganon for the first time, and that's a bit of a historic reveal for the series.Wind Waker then is not seemingly connected to OoT and feels like a reboot, until the dialogue name-drops "The Hero of Time" as you witness Hyrule. The place looks different, but that's just because it's a Wind Waker depiction of it, but what matters is that Wind-Link is being directly compared to Time-Link, and made to masquerade as him by a bunch of boomers who wished Hyrule hadn't been washed away.That is a THEME. They use the element of "timeline" in both OoT and WW to enforce big central plot moments. In OoT it's a big reveal, and in WW it's the core theme of its story, to pave the way for its message of "Let kids be kids, and don't get so invested in tradition as to forget that."TP on the other hand I can't tell you what any of its "hints" mean in a narrative sense. It's just there, and seems like promising connections that ultimately are just side-talk.
Wind Waker is far superior, but still a great game.
>>738633354>It will give you 'Zelda', but in the most neutered, restrictive form it exists in.First off, that's an overstatement when Skyward Sword and the first half of Wind Waker exist. Second, I do generally see the point you're making, but I think you also sell the midgame a bit short. Once you get the Master Sword and the twilight gate shit fucks off, you can access probably 70% of the world right then and there. TP's overworld is barren for its size, but there's still an assload of minigames and some cool shit aside from that like Malo Mart and the Cave of Ordeals, and that's aside from the requisite collectathon stuff with Poes and golden bugs. Is it a paragon of exploration? No. Is it completely absent? Also no.
>>738622381TP Link is cool as fuck
anyone have a save thats near the fire templelast time I was playing TP I remember I was around there
>>738633354>It will give you 'Zelda', but in the most neutered, restrictive form it exists in.Wind Waker>try to sail to an island>I cannot let you do that, Dave
Wind Waker is among the worst 3D Zeldas along with Tears of the Kingdom
>>738636163Has the exact same problem Prime 4 does.>marks your map with locations>explore and find macguffins!>actually.. only one of those markers is accurate for the order you can go infor why
>>738635579>Skyward Sword and the first half of Wind Waker existI do agree that these are even worse about this and actually more tedious, but at the very least both of those games are actually capable of providing a larger variety of more interesting things to do and make engaging with their major areas much more compelling.>Malo Mart and the Cave of OrdealsThat these are the best it offers is kind of the problem. Like, you admit the world is largely barren, but the real problem is that even its best shit consists of tasks you stumble upon and just do straightforwardly, the game systematically stucks at providing mysteries and giving you indications that there's something you'd want to discover, but then leaving you to figure out how to go about this yourself. This is a strong aspect of pretty much all the Zeldas that are good, but it's pulled off poorly in TP.> the requisite collectathon stuff with Poes and golden bugsTP fucks up this stuff too. Like I was saying, you usually either know exactly where a collectable is ahead of time (because you can clearly see it or otherwise stumble upon it), or you just have no idea where to even look. This is very different from the games that actually gives you just enough context and subtle clues to actively search for things, but leave you to discover how to do so yourself, which makes exploration vastly more fun and rewarding.
>>738622785Both. OoT was the first ever 3D Zelda so it was made with the express intention of being didactic to the player. By this I mean the game is very concerned with making you understand how it works. Back then the reason for making it like this was to get players used to playing in a 3D enviroment (which was new at the time), but for someone in your position it works as a way to learn what Zelda is about.
>>738636507>both of those games are actually capable of providing a larger variety of more interesting things to do>bothWind Waker doesn't, but TP and SS actually do have a lot of gameplay variety.
>>738636535>By this I mean the game is very concerned with making you understand how it works.It's super cool about how it goes about doing this too. It doesn't simply *tell* you how things work, it will give you something and let you experiment with it, and in the process of experimenting you discover what is actually possible, and then continue on exploring and using different combinations of stuff you've discovered to do things that lead to more possibilities.
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>>738636796>Wind Waker doesn't, but TPThat's bullshit, WW has proper quests that involve more than "do thing" and have you actually explore and interact with the world and learn things about it in the process. The sailing is awfully repetitive, and too much of it involves straightforwardly going to tiny islands that are minor variations of one another, but it at least has well realized character interaction.
>>738636998>WW has proper quests that involve more than "do thing"Oh? it does? do fill me in on something as remotely "more than go do thing" than stuff like finding the tears of light in a region, taming your horse, learning sumo, and sumoing Gorons on the way to the dungeon.This aught to be good, windwanker apologist.
>>738636507>at the very least both of those games are actually capable of providing a larger variety of more interesting things to do and make engaging with their major areas much more compellingProbably a hot take, but while I do agree with Skyward Sword due to the gratitude crystal quests, I am absolutely not giving Wind Waker a pass here. I probably feel the same about that game as you do about Twilight Princess - from top to bottom, main quest to side quest, that game exemplifies tedium. If it's not sailing in a straight line to your destination or wondering why I can't do Wind Temple before Earth Temple because of a single NPC spawn, it's grinding Joy Pendants or hitting an old man's staff 500 times. No, I don't give that game a pass on interesting content.>That these are the best it offers is kind of the problem.The fishing hole on average is probably the best the game offers. It has Rollgoal, an empty bottle, a piece of heart, and an incredible easter egg through the seasonal switching, and that's all aside from the fishing itself. Coincidentally, the empty bottle hidden there is framed as a good example of what I think you think is missing from TP, as reading a sign piques your curiosity to try fishing in a small pond, and trying a few times comically nets you some junk before you pull the bottle.>This is very different from the games that actually gives you just enough context and subtle clues to actively search for things, but leave you to discover how to do so yourselfGonna be real with you, I'll take both of those quests over OoT's gold skulltula quest any day of the week. I actually think MM handles that particular style of quest far better than OoT did, but comparing any of these games to MM in terms of sidequesting isn't a fair fight so whatever. The bugs do have their tells - they chime and glow in the dark - while Poes generally appear in the dark as they have in the past. I don't think either of them are especially lacking in that regard.
>>738637203>finding the tears of light in a region, taming your horse, learning sumo, and sumoing GoronsThese are actually perfect examples of events the game just tells you to do and you're showing all the signs of a typical TP fan who is just content with the game shoving novelty events in your face like this.Conversely, in WW there a prime example of solid Zelda questing in Lenzo's pictography and all that involves, which properly provides the mystery and layered interaction I'm talking about. I'm not 'apologizing' for WW's flaws, I'm not even recommending it to OP, but it does have fine examples of what is generally lacking in TP.>>738637386>If it's not sailing in a straight line to your destination or wondering why I can't do Wind Temple before Earth Temple because of a single NPC spawn, it's grinding Joy Pendants or hitting an old man's staff 500 times.You're completely on point about all those things, I consider none of them examples of what I'm praising.>The fishing hole on average is probably the best the game offers.I don't disagree. It's actually a pretty standout area and a meaningful upgrade over OoT's fishing. You at least understand what I'm getting at and what the game ought to have done more of.>'ll take both of those quests over OoT's gold skulltula quest any day of the weekI definitely would not. The skultula will appear hidden on random surfaces and objects, and yet you can narrow down the areas they can be in as you progress and actively hunt for them.>The bugs do have their tells - they chime and glow in the dark - while Poes generally appear in the dark as they have in the pastBus just sit out in the open and re super easy to find. Poes can be hidden in grottos, and you won't know unless you just enter one, but likewise will just plainly visible if they are in an open area, in which case you just see their location. There isn't the same process of whittling down where they could be, and the daytime just fucks you.
Botw is the only good zelda game though
TP is OoT but worse in every way
>>738622381Is Dusk still interpolating their frames or did they properly implement an unlimited framerate?
>>738622381No. Play 1, aLttP, or OoT. Theres no other answer, those are the "true" Zelda games.
Man n64 was one weird ass controllerHow would you guys map this to a Xbox controllerI hear people use the right analog for the C buttons which is weird since it's a stick and not 4 buttons but idk
>>738640552This makes me wanna buy one of those Chinese wireless n64 off aliexpress just for emulationHaving one of those for each major console on PC would be rly awesome
>>738622381It's solid. But play A Link to the Past as well, SNES emulation is piss easy (and has a great catalogue).
>>738640809something like this
>>738622381Yeah it's pretty good as a first zelda, it was that for a lot of people. Really most of the mainline games are good first entries. I guess the only bad ones would be...>Adventure of Link is confusing and nintendo hard>Four Swords is a gimmick game>Four Swords Adventure is a worse gimmick Minish Cap>Spirit Tracks might not make sense without Phantom Hourglass, but I'm sure plenty of people started with that game anyways so it can't be that bad>Tri Force Heroes is in the same boat as Four Swords games>TotK is a direct story sequel to BotW and while I think it's a worse game than BotW, playing TotK first steals BotW's thunder. So a bad first game.
I've jacked off to so much Link femboy porn I can't take this nigga seriouslyPorn addiction is a disease
>>738638841Yeah, watering the bomb flower and immediately getting into the dungeon IS SO MUCH BETTER than actual gameplay variety. kys, fucking retarded goal post mover.
Majoras mask is part of the Twilight Princess timeline? So is it best to play oot > mm > tp for continuity or doesn't matter?
Honestly my biggest problem with TP boils down to pacing issues. Major pacing issues, almost every Zelda game after the N64 is chock full of them so it doesn't stand out too much on its own but it gets exhausting to have to [Do Thing] only to be told that you can't do it yet because you need to go hit a story trigger to be able to actually [Do Thing] so it's time to hoof it across the early game areas so you can [Do Thing] and then return after that diatribe to finally [Do Thing]. A 2 hour prologue straight into Forest Temple is better paced than most of these cases by having interspersed combat, mystery and the Hyrule Castle jaunt, but it's kind of very much trying to drag you into the gradual escalation of stakes. Then it goes 0 to 100, and then tries to go back to about a 30-40 for a while and it's all over the damn place.
>>738643019>Majoras mask is part of the Twilight Princess timeline?Allegedly, but this assumes the events of Majora's Mask were even real, which they may not have been. TP is definitely related to OOT however, at least in some way, since the Link from OOT technically appears in TP (don't worry, that's not really a spoiler without context), as does the Temple of Time from OOT (probably).I guess whether MM was real or a hallucination doesn't really matter in a meta sense since at least to Link it was real, and MM is explicitly a sequel to OOT.So if you're a stickler for continuity then yes, OOT -> MM -> TP. But it should be noted that the events of each game are not really very relevant to eachother, it's absolutely not necessary to play OOT to understand MM or TP. The various continuity nods are fun to notice, but not important.
>>738643446I mean, the Song of Healing is the first wolf tone you play at a statue the game pretty much puts in your way.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhT34mHnCOk
