>I am... le grey jedi! >actually is a full on sith lord this is supposed to be good writing? and if you want to gain any influence with her your every conversation choice has to be "fuck off kreia"? how was avellone ever considered a good writer? I mean kotor 1 worked better since it didn't have that stupid influence system where you have to constantly suck off your companions to unlock their spirit quests, you could just choose to be light side or dark side. I am looking forward to idiots explaining that I "just didn't get it"
>>738623303She never said she was a jedi at all let alone a gray one, in fact she told you explicitly she wasn't. She was cast out of the Jedi. She also says she isn't 'Sith' because the Sith are an organization, and those two darths cast her out. So she's a darksider but not a sith. you just didn't get it
JEDI LIETHEY MANIPULATE
>>738623731Sith coerceThey isolate?
>>738623303forever eternal the average /v/aggot will be too stupid to understand kreia.amen.
>>738623303grey jedi flat out do not exist you can be a jedi and tell the order to go fuck off, that's perfectly allowedbut as soon as you start using the dark side, or even using the force to attack people, you are a dark jedi and no amount of cope will change that unless you stop doing it completely kreia is a special case where she's a sith lord who was stripped of her title
>>738623303Kreia is ostensibly a spiritual space libertarian who wants to groom (you) into being like her and so is receptive to (you) acknowledging her words and paying attention to her lessons even if you don't agree.
>>738623820Jedi pilpul
>>738623303She's not a jedi or a sith. She just wanted to kill the force because in her mind, there's no free will if the force is directing people's destinies.
I uniroinically started playing Knights of the Old Republic today, and I had never seen any of the movies, and was wondering, is this a good place to start, then play the sequel and get on with the old Lucas films?
>>738623576the entire game she is a "neutral" alignment jedi until her reveal as darth crayon>>738623820>grey jedi flat out do not existjolee bindo in KotOR 1 is literally that>>738623856see this reading I can tolerate, she is a space ayn rand. a hypocrite to boot
Whatever she is, shes one of the greatest video game characters of all time considering you mother fuckers cannot stop talking about this whiny old lady years later.
>>738624228KotOR 1 is way better than the sequel. Jedi Academy games were also quite good. KotOR 2 is the game that people pretend is good but it isn't
>>738624243jolee bindo is a jedi who told the order/ council to fuck offhe still very much adheres to the same morality as the other jedihis alignment meter is in the middle because it functions more like a karma meter, and he's been chilling on the kashyyyk floor for a while now just minding his own business
>>738624360>KotOR 1 is way better than the sequel.I believe you, I can already see it.
>>738624346The Room must be the greatest movie ever made because redditors can't stop talking about it
There are no grey Jedi.You can blame Lucas for stealing wholesale literally everything he could from Campbell except for the universalism. Lucas has a purely dualistic view.
>>738624435>jolee bindo is a jedi who told the order/ council to fuck offso literally like the sion/kreia/revan triumvirate before they all turned sith?
>>738624728difference there is that they all drank the dark side koolaid after leavingjolee did not and remained true to his values
>>738624228Kotor 2 is best played after an understanding of how a star wars story plays out since it criticizes and plays off of your expectations.
>>738624786jolee was still a grey jedi. if anything it was a shame that he was introduced so far into the game that his philosophy had no time to be explored further
>>738624674Only a sith deals in absolutes...
>>738624243Darth Treya is still neutral and neither a Jedi or a Sith, its just her old title. Its hardly even a reveal, she tells you she's been on both sides of the street in not so clear language most of the game. Revan was similar, he still had his title regardless of his alignment by the end of kotor 1, people still call him Revan.
>>738625638Darth Traya is literally the final boss and a literal sith lord. The game is not vague about it
>>738623303High or Low influence buddy boyo. You can piss her off and companions to unlock their quests only negative influence means they will chose the oposite side of the force than you
>>738625638>>738626106Funny enough, she only puts on the Darth Traya act after the Jedi Council of Dantoonine which is actually a good 50/50 on the outcome if you're light side.If the Exile was accepted by the Jedi Council (which was poisoned by Vrook, the other 2 had life experience to change their mindset), I wonder what Kreia's plan was or if she just wins and retires.
>>738623303she wasn't a grey jedi she was a chud jedi and was butthurt about getting cast down by her oneitis (Nhilus
>>738627080presumably she intended to kill the masters no matter whatzez kai el was too weak willed to disagree with kavar and vrookvrook was both arrogant and adamant that his idea for the jedi was correct and absolute, he would not budge from his prior stancekavar is the odd one, iirc there are some unused lines where he takes on a more 'i know i'm right and you're not' tone with exile, which to me leans more towards vrook's line of thinking
"Gray Jedis" are just Jedi who left the order and didn't fall. The order views them as misguided. Any other idea of what they are is fan wank.
>>738624243Jolie told the order to fuck off and was left alone. On any relevant matters though he sides with the jedi. Nothing gray about him.
>>738627274Nah, she was legitimately going to give them a chance. She was just certain they'd fuck it up like they always do.
>>738623303god forbid someone tries to write something new into star wars, just instant rage from purists, fucking grow up
Jedi, Grey Jedi, Sith, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that you impregnate Visas Marr.
leaked dialogue from the upcoming kotor 2 remake
I still cannot believe he fucked those kids
>>738623303You didn't get it.
>>738625689>But Kreia what if I want to buttfuck you?
>>738623303KOTOR 2 is unironically an IQ test and you got filtered. Simple as.>>738623731SOMEDAY THE EXILE WILL TEACH ME TO BE A PRETZEL.
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>>738628332She's fine with either choice as long as you make it clear you actually thought about it.
>>738623303>wow the character of dark betrayer lied to me!>this is bad writinglol
>>738624243>the entire game she is a "neutral" alignment jediI like that honestly, using the game's UI to lie the player is cool.
>>738625269You can get him as your first planet choice & he has the most banter in the game of any party member
So you think Mission was getting gaped by the wookiee? She did always call him Big Z you know.
Kreia's a massive hypocrite. This isn't a flaw in the writing, it's a character flaw. She means everything she says to you about mastering your own destiny and not allowing The Force to control you, but she's so butthurt at The Force that she's not able to live up to her own standards.
