>drakemgard spends a significant amount of time making Caim out to be a mass murdering monstrous psychopath due to the amount of people he kills in the game>except all of his "victims" are red eye empire soldiers possessed by the watchers who intend to bring about the extinction of life on earth and would gladly skin their own grandmother and wear her as a hat without thinking twicewhat did Taro mean by this?
nobody in this board played this game, stop the larp
>>738629481YES. JUST STOP ACTING AND KILL ME THERES NO NEED TO PROLONG THIS AAAAAHHHH
>>738629393Nothing, he jsut wanted to make the most edgy story possible without actually caring for good storytelling or a cohesive plot.
doesn't he murder a village of elves because they were assholes
JEWENIXWHERE THE FUCK IS THE DOD3 REMAKE
>>738629481dudes don't say "poser" anymore, they say "LARP LARP LARP SAHUR"am I LARPing if I had to use the pause trick to beat ending E?
>>738629393he ripped off Berserk and specifically how Black Swordsman/Lost Children arc Guts was a mass murdering psychopath who crossed a lot of lines between all the Apostle killing
>>738629393>except all of his "victims" are red eye empire soldiers possessed by the watchersHe was killing them by the hundreds before he knew what a red eye was. He also likes mutilating the corpses of his fallen enemies. And he shows zero hesitation to kill child soldiers which a regular soldier might stop for a second even if they were little brainwashed zombies. And he kicks and bullies civilians.He also can't communicate verbally so he comes off as an even bigger creep. No one can read the guy.
>>738629393Caim just happens to be the best man for that situation and it makes him look heroic. But the point is that if it wasn't for the situation at hand he'd be psychopathic serial killer
>>738629393>>738629886Damn, this guy sounds giga based
>>738629886Doesn't he also shoot down a flying ship filled with civilians at one point?
>>738629886didn't the empire people feed his parents to an overgrown lizard or some shit?
>>738629393The point of the game isn't that the people that he's killing aren't evil, it's that you have to be a psychopath to kill that many people, and especially to enjoy itThe war on terror actually made him change themes for later games, and now it's that you don't have to be crazy or evil to justify killing to yourself, you just have to think you're right
>>738629393Anon I think you'll find that having a good reason to kill people doesn't actually make it much easier to kill people.Executioners were pariahs for most of history, viewed as an accursed role of society. Soldiers came home with PTSD for most of history.To go out and cut people up and enjoy it means you are indeed a murderous psychopath.
>>738630063That tracks, Nier doesn't really relish killing, he just doesn't give a shit about shades even when they start displaying sentience
>>738629952Right, like that school essay about Mario.
>>738629393basically his point was you shouldn't only eat ice cream
>>738629982If you pay attention to Caim's body language in cutscenes (especially the ones that are not pre-rendered) you will notice he's very stiff and non-emotive most of the time unless he's engaged in violence, he gets word something or someone has to be killed somewhere or another character overwhelms him which makes him react with violence or quiet worry if it's Furiae. For someone who has just lost his voice this would be the first thing to correct so you don't come across as a creepy mute puppet to everyone around you but Caim doesn't care.The most noticeable contrast to his demeanor happens with Inuart who is always emoting, moving his arms and body around, never stops talking and seems to dislike excessive violence, he's Caim's opposite.I'm not gonna say Caim is autistic but he's a bit undersocialized.
>>738629952Would he be a serial killer? Caim didn't show himself as killing blindly in times of peace going by the sequel. Caim may enjoy his sadism but he doesn't seem to aim it at uninvolved individuals. Caim would leave you alone if you're not interfering with his goal in the middle of a global war.Caim is not the type to wake up in the morning and say "Hmm the world is at peace, my sister is safe, that means I have to kill humans for no reason!"
>>738630927Arguably, Inuart was a bigger looney than Caimit took literally nothing to break him and get him to switch sides
>>738629393>Watchersstupid localization missing the fucking point.
>>738629886>No one can read the guy.
>>738631341blame the american evangelicals getting assmad about anything that might vaguely resemble christianity presented as anything but positive
>>738631438but the same shit happened with Xenoblade 1 and 2 especially 2 missing basically a huge chunk of the purpose of the games, and by the 2010s American evangelicals were nothing but a distant memory.
>>738631060His obsessive love for Furiae is what broke him. You could say it's not real love and more of an obsessive infatuation mixed with some obvious insecurity with Caim present in the love triangle but you'd be stupid to because I believe the central theme of the game is how ugly love truly is, or can be. Love is the first word you hear when you boot up the game and listen to the weird narration before the intro (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzOLf8l_K4E). The only somewhat positive ending is achieved because of the love that blossoms between Caim and Angelus in the battlefield throughout the game. Manah won't stop talking about love, whatever she means. It's all over the place.
>>738630951Sounds like a calm and methodical Machiavellian type that enjoys occasional sadism whenever allowed due to profession and gets off of it, perfectly normal psychopathic behavior. Bateman would approve.
>>738629756You're just a casual scrub
>>738632220bateman isn't calm nor methodical though, the dude is a ball of nerves and neuroticism
>>738632729He also hallucinated most of not all of it I don't know why people forget this part of the movie
doesn't the fact he is killing people that got possessed, meaning they are perhaps not as naturally belligerent or even good people, make it worse?
pretty sure he was a broken man by the time we started the game and it got worse when he had to give up talking to form a pact with angelus just so he stays alive and murder more people that attacked his country
>>738630927>I'm not gonna say Caim is autistiche clearly is
>>738629393drakengard isn't about villain protagonists, it's about a bunch of mentally ill psychos fighting the actual evil guys and saving the world caim is doing the right thing, but he still enjoys killing too much to be normal
>pedophile is the most sane person of the groupWhat did Taro mean by this?
>>738629393>The pedophile is the nicest dude in the game, strong, self-sacrificing and honorablewhat did Taro mean by this?
>>738633208in the world of drakengard this kind of thing isn't reversible, if anything he's doing them a mercy>>738634342>>738634105Leonard's situation is supposed to be a pathology even he finds disgusting about himself, it's more like he's suffering from a condition than him having a proclivity
>>738629393
>>738633143Making all of it a hallucination undermines the weight of the narrative, especially the room cleanup scene. Also this vagueness only exists in the movie, the book makes it clear he's a real killer.
>>738634567>the music is terrible
>>738634718it fits the narrative. its awful to listen to
>>738634537Leonard's reaction to getting hugged by Seere was raw as fuck lmao
>>738634690>the book makes it clear he's a real killerIt doesn't.
>Main character sold his ass at 15 to put food on the table, he becomes so traumatized and angry by the experience he later murders the man that fucked him>actual Futa that was bullied and harassed her whole life that she dresses like a whore to feel like a woman>homosexual child experimented on to turn things into stone with his gaze later fuses with his monster sister to become a gay immortal skeleton
>>738634752You are uninitiated.
>>738629393Both sides can be shitty people.
>>738629393That Kaim is clearly a good guy because he doesn't want to fuck his sister.
Drakengard is a very miserable story
Ending B is the most kino Drakengard ending
>>738635216I prefer C
>>738635134>the one bad thing he does is goodhuh?
>>738635194yeah we need more games like it
>>738634718I mean most people only played the first level which is an absolutely awful loop of a soundtrack.
>>738635194Love misery and suffering, hate happiness and good endings, simple as
>>738633967>devotion = autismcome on now that's just disingenuous
>>738635194We need more shounen mangaka writing videogames because it is clear that all the hacks writing vidya now are just nihilists postmodern of the same ilk.
Is 2 worth playing? Is it as grindy? Skipped it when I played the series.
>>738635531>found love [...] and even general interactions difficult.
>>738635194>Man ending A is depressing, I wonder if the other endings are better>Each ending gets worse and worse until ending D/E end in two world’s getting completely razed by the godsTaro must have hated the idea that more killings equal rewarding the player
>>738635537Isn’t all shounen extremely over complicated and boring now? Toriyama died, we won’t be getting anybody who likes fun for a long time.
>>738634785It does, It's been like 10 years since I've read it so I don't remember the details, but the book had more side stories where he kills people that didn't make it into the movie. And the descriptions of the ones that did were more detailed, i was on the fence after watching the movie and that's what convinced me it was real, maybe with the exception of the police chase.
i just want a 3 remaster
>>738635741I actually find ending D to be the most depressing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZQCqhS_4F8
>>738635759That's literally just your opinion.
>>738629573>doesn't he murder a village of elvesWell I mean he's not all bad really.
>>738635871D probably is the most depressing but his sacrifice is meaningful, Caim winning in E only causes more suffering in the long run, the NieR cast have it rough
>Caim, we need you to go over there and kill these people or else the world will explode>NOOOOO YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO ENJOY IT STOP IT!!This is what 90% of the dialogue is like and it's very retarded
>>738631341the original point being what?
>>738635871D is the bad BAD ending where you all failed.
>>738629393The main cast of Drakengard are pretty much all going insane as a subversion on musous and what kind of headspace you'd have to be in to relentlessly slaughter tens of thousands of enemy combatants. The mission objectives are meant to reflect this because Caim kills far more than he actually has to. They'll already be finished in their objective for a mission, but the rest of the level continues on with everyone begging Caim to stop as he makes it a point to keep killing and killing and killing. That said, throughout the whole game Caim never blindly kills non-combatants (though he does recruit Arioch who straight-up eats children). I thought Nowe and Zero were way worse, because at least Caim only ever channels his rage at a blatantly evil Empire. Zero was a flippant serial killer and Nowe kills countless people over vague misunderstandings.
>>738636045did they really fail?I mean sure they made a giant time nuke and presumably made a large section of the planet unusable but the Queen was stoppedEnding E is more disastrous since they just fucked over another world in the process.
>>738635585It's pretty damn grindy if you want to unlock all the endings. I like Caim's role in the story, but the game as a whole isn't really worth it.
>>738635585I tried playing it but I got bored and stopped playing because it takes so long to get started. Really made me appreciate the Yoko shitter.
>>738635913How do you explain the taxi driver?
>>738635585I played it for Caim's part and then got bored afterwards to the point I didn't finish it. technically the gameplay is better than 1
>>738636172Shit was so fucked that everyone died and the kid's last ditch effort was just to freeze time in an area. I guess its just perspective. ending D can be a "good" ending since the world is saved but at the cost of the MCs' lives. B and C feel like dead ends with the angels/dragons still around who are more likely to end the world.
>>738629393>Actively tried to kill child soldiers with a grin on his face as his comrades begged him to stopSure he was vindicated but you know he didn't care about little johnny pleading for mercy>>738635359Based C chad, can't wait for Drakengard 4
>>738633143Because it isn't overt until the very end, and there's enough to interpret it either way.It is clear cut in the book.
>>738636474Look at that wonderful smile, and to think people try to claim he's autistic
Leftist analysis boils down to>If they do it then they must enjoy itSo if I want cute girls in games I must want pornIf Caim kills people invading his castle he's a mass murdererIf Yoko Taro made Drakengard then he must be "tortuing the player to resemble the horrors of war"
>>738629756I don't know what the pause trick is I just used gameshark to get all weapons after I got all the endings.
I just want to remind you all that Caim loses his voice so everyone's just like>MASAKA, YOU MUST ENJOY THIS BLOODSHED>UYHHHH CAIM YOU LOVE KILLING>SUCH LUST FOR REVENGE, WHOOOOOOOOOOOP's pic is from Drakengard 2, this is all gay retarded projection
>>738629393I think the point of Drakengard/Nier isn't HUMANS BAD or even that both sides are bad, just that people are naturally kind of fucked up in general and anyone that claims to be above it all is in denial or lying.
>>738631614>by the 2010s American evangelicals were nothing but a distant memorylol why do you think the country is still a slave to israel?
>DUDE DRAKENGARD IS SO FUCKED UP>THE PRIEST IS A PEDOLiterally one line in the game barely implying anything>DUDE INCEST LMAOAnother one liner coming from the fucking villain to torture Caim's sisterIs this another Nier thing where I have to read the jap only book to pick up the rest of the plot?
>>738636552>Based C chad, can't wait for Drakengard 4What could have been…https://youtu.be/FFp1wFroJyQ
>>738634105>>738634342He's also gay too, that's importantPederasty is based and redpilled, he would be portrayed as a villain if he was a lolicon.
So is there a reason why Taro made Drakengard 3's gameplay utter dogshit after Nier? Did he forget how to make decent combat? Did he lose braincells while jorking it to the Yorha girls?
>>738637119Performance aside, I think the combat in Drakengard 3 is a lot more fun than Nier. It just doesn't have as much variety.
>>738635194whenever they make a fun shallow game like black ops 7, you boomers complain games being too fortnite and soft
>>738637119Nier had combat design by Takahisa Taura from Platinum. Drakengard 3 was developed by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_Games
>>738636736>tortuing the player to resemble the horrors of warThis part is kind of right given the requirements for the true ending, he did torture the player, but only because he's an asshole.
Never understood this franchise. Same with Kingdom Hearts.
>>738637236Are you talking about Ver 1213123123123? I'm talking about OG Nier.
>>738637308We know you're retarded Anon, it's okWe still like you
>>738637236>Nier had combat design by Takahisa Taura from PlatinumAutomata (and replicant 1.22...) had the original didn't
>>738637119>implying Nier has decent combat
>>738637472It does
>>738637010That's more the localization being butchered than anything. Both Drakengard and Nier had some of the worst localization decisions ever, but never get talked about because nobody cares about these games.
>>738637486Didn't play the original.
Isn't a pedo the most normal person in his game?
>>738637581the original has decent combatfiltered
>>738637010It's the fairy dude who's a pedo and some of his scenes were cut in the english version, but I'm pretty sure even in what we've got there are more hints of Furiae thirsting for Caim.
>>738637624I 100% the game. It's subpar at best.
>>738637618Yeah. and it got censored, despite a woman eating the corpse of a child being completely untouched.
>>738637119Drakengard 3 is actually my favorite Yoko game to play. Emulated at 60fps it’s basically a solid musou. On a real PS3 it’s rough.
>>738635747Retards will try to tell you that the plots of jjk and chainsaw man make sense and are good even though they're completely schizophrenic and make no sense. They just watch the insane animation and get fooled into thinking it's kino
>>738638692Filtered
>>738629393>drakemgard spends a significant amount of time making Caim out to be a mass murdering monstrous psychopath due to the amount of people he kills in the gameit doesn'tthe game makes it very obvious that the wrold would have ended plenty of times vefore the actual ending if it wasn'g for Caim doing his killing
>>738629393He kills a bunch of children and is generally an asshole. Most of what he does is heroic in that he's doing it for his sister, and maybe to save the world. It's funny to say Caim did nothing wrong because technically you can put good reasons for his actions, but he seems to just love murder way more than everything else.
>>738635134Cringe. Real men breed any viable pussy.
Post favorite PTSD track.https://youtu.be/D_82yA-keV8?list=PLHTLRlHyRyWsZMVPfCsCAykMObLTcQFl2
>>738636784and you were calling other people larpers jesus christ dude
>>738635216That would make sense as it's the actual intended ending. It's basically what the entire story is narratively building towards. But then the higher ups went all "No you can't do that to the player" and demand a "happy" ending, so as a compromise Taro added ending A while keeping B as a "Bad End", at which point the dev team said "if we're adding on endings why not run with it?" and created endings C, D and E.
>>738631394What a cowardly bitch he turned out to be. Keep the bloodline pure.
>>738638692>insane animationHoly cope, both JJK and CSM (and every other seasonal shonen garbage) look like dogshit and have terrible directing and animationBrownoids just see an explosion SFX and go apeshit>>738639240Uh oh, troon melty
>>738637043This post has so many red flags in it, it's either the most obvious glowie bait or the saddest lack of self-awareness.And we will never know which.
>>738634105>>738634342>>738634537>>738634762Kek i was thinking this exact same thing, dang what an unconfortable sensation right before your heroic sacrifice, when you're trying to appear noble and courageous instead
>>738629573No, he does not. The worst he does is kick an elf away when he's begging for help. But yeah, Caim being a le ebil psycho is sensationalist bullshit. He only attacks his enemies and there's nothing wrong in taking joy in your work, especially when you're so damn good at it.
Drakengard 2 isn't Canon and Yoko Taro didn't work on it, you need to cope.
>>738636003Don't forget Verdelet telling Caim that he must DEFINITELY kill the subhuman troops. I burst out laughing when I heard him say that.
>>738629393Yeah man Yoko Taro is such a genius, the new age of crativi->In the Dengeki Online interview series, Yoko admits he had no real hand in planning the main story fans are familiar with and can't remember much about Caim's story arc.Oh.
>>738629393I look like that when I grow out my hair
>>738636474I legitimately love this moment, for as non-canon as Drakengard 2 is. Caim is just so fucking giddy that he gets to murder the little shit who brainwashed Inuart, killed his sister and practically gave Angelus no other choice but to become the Goddess.
>>738629393The main difference retard-kun is that he revels in it, he loves doing it, takes any excuse to do it and is really good at it.That's why the whole DoD gang travel with him, and also why despite being horrible in their own ways they're all sort of scared of him.Of all the faults DoD2 had it's few highlights were the Angel/Caim storyline and Manah. I swear just a few more look-overs and rewrites and this game would've been an instant classic but alas.>someone already posted my webmnice
>>738650089It's kinda dumb from a story standpoint At that point Manah and Caim had bonded. Instead of killing her he dragged her around the world to show her the consequences of her actions.Some shit happened with the seal and Angelus was dying, Caim feels her pain, and Manah gouges his eye and runs away.She still keeps the wristband Caim gifted to her.
>>738647454>Caim being a le ebil psycho is sensationalist bullshitThat was started by the fanbase itself through all the memes back then.
he quite figuratively kills innocent children while furiously masturbating
>>738635537We don't need more JRPGs
>>738629393Just because he's directing his murderous frenzy in the right direction doesn't mean he's a good person anon.
>>738634960Thats just copying griffiths storyTaro really likes berserk
>>738636956Because our politicians and rich are literally jewishAmerica is not a slave to israel, the whole world is run by jews and crypto jews. They put on this theater for hundreds of years.
>>738635216I like A, a lot.
>>738644882The game shouldve just been wincest
>>738634105What the fuck kind of weapon is that
>>738650539>The main difference retard-kun is that he revels in it, he loves doing it, takes any excuse to do it and is really good at it.still nothing wrong with it
>>738629393So what?
>>738629886he's just like me...
>>738629393Didn't he kill child soilders? In that one village whilst his companions beg him to stop?https://youtu.be/umrfU1JRCK4?
did Taro even make this game? I thought he was barely involved in the making of drakengard 1
>>738657209He had a lot of involvement, but most of the crazy shit we love about it was thanks to the Shiba ane Eishima guys IIRC:>According to Takamasa Shiba, he wanted to cast the protagonist and his love interest under a famous actor to follow the trends for video game voice acting. He believed that doing so would help boost the game's sales, a choice which Yoko Taro resisted to the bitter end. Shiba asked Peter and actor, Toshiaki Karasawa, to audition, yet Peter's versatile performances impressed him and other members enough to keep the actor for both roles.>In the Dengeki Online interview series, Yoko admits he had no real hand in planning the main story fans are familiar with and feels odd calling Angel the "true heroine" of the first game. He can't relate with the popularity of Caim or Angel because he originally wanted to make their relationship similar to one where Angel is like an older woman being crazy about her "young host". Takuya Iwasaki and Sawako Natori were the ones most responsible for the love story between the two characters, planning to make Angel the "Juliet" of the pair. Both he and Akira Yasui, the director of Drakengard 2, agree that she liked Caim at least.>One of the write-in questions for Dengeki Online's Drakengard 3 character popularity questionnaire is a personal question from Yoko asking fans to explain the popularity of the Caim and Angel pairing to him. This led to Jun Eishima penning an essay in response to fans' answers, which is published in Drag-on Dragoon 3 Complete Guide. While Eishima can imagine how fans can interpret their relationship through various genre tropes, her own impressions are marred by Yoko's insistence that Angel is an "old woman" with nothing romantic originally intended for her "young host." Eishima considers the pairing a diverging interpretation of the creators' wishes which fans are free to continue enjoying.
>Sui Ishida exchanged several nods with Taro over the years >a group of central villains in his current ongoing has a dragon, a woman turning people into salt, a legion of vat grown soldiers, and all of them worship a mad avatar of war who had a fixation on GodVery subtle
>>738654940>whilst his companions beg him to stop?Wasn't it only Leonard who didn't want to do it?
>>738654940no one ever seems to remember that they're shown to be goblin looking monsters in disguise at the end of the level and nearly kill the pedo when he tries sparing them like a retard. Also that the melodramatic dialogue only plays in the first level you encounter them in, they're silent in all other levels like the normal red eye soldiers are.
>>738631438>>738631341Fucking dumbasses.>>738636005They're getting fedora-tier mad that the localization didn't use the generic, catch-all term "angels" even though "Watchers" are literally one of the most important types of angel in Christian and Hebrew cosmology.
>>738635663That falls into the realm of typical undersocialization. That describes even otherwise neurotypical schizoids or neurotypical people surrounded by strangers they have no need or want to interact with. Shit like this is why it's hard to believe that autism is actually that prevalent when people can't even define it properly.>>738644882>>738652634Dragussy >>>>> SisussySorry. I don't make the rules.
>>738660175Angelus would share. She's cool like that.
>>738637023Genuinely fuck Microsoft for fucking over Cavia and a bunch of other Japanese devs just so they could make dogshit FPSes and the Kinect. Yes, I'm still mad. I'm just glad the Nips learned their lesson and never did business with Microsoft again or promotoed/bought any of their products.>>738660450Caim is so lucky.
>>738634960What setting is more fucked: Nier or Drakengard?
>>738650969The fanbase is filled with retarded secondaries that read The Dark LP and have never played the game itself. Yes, Caim enjoys killing. No, he is not a mindless murderer. Despite the simplicity of Drakengard, his character still had nuance.
I have drakengard, shadow of war, and now crimson desert if I want to play a game that let's me fuck shit up on the ground and seamlessly switch to fucking shit up on a dragon. This sucks, man. Why is a quintessential fantasy so damn hard to get right in video games?
>>738661101It's the same setting.
>>738629393Taro spent too long trying to make every single other character fucked up, then forgot to find a reason to justify why Caim wasn't good or normal as well, so he made him a murder hobo.
>>738629481I did, faggot.
>canonically masturbated almost every night thinking about her brotherCaim is gay for not fucking her
>>738630063Not really. You can be an extremely empathetic person to the point where you can literally make people feel your own emotions, become a mass murdering blood raging killing machine, radiating your own bloodrage to every living being in your presence as you slaughter them in the name of Khorne.That's what Angron became. He was never a psychopath and he never will be, and he is absolutely capable of killing anything and anyone, even before he became a Daemon Prince of Khorne.
I think if the wind blows just in the right direction they're gonna try and make caim into a new "rip and tear" type of doomguy bullshit
Is it true each ending technically got it's own video game or did I hear it wrong?
Lvl 3 Angelus best Angelus.>>738666817No idea what that's about.Ending E leads directly into Nier from a lore perspective. That's as far as it goes IIRC.
>>738666817A - leads to Drakengard 2B - nothingC - nothingD - nothingE - leads to Nier which leads to Nier AutomataDrakengard 3 is a prequel to Drakengard (1)
>>738668869>A - leads to Drakengard 2Holy fuck I forgot that existed.
>>738669083>Holy fuck I forgot that existed.Many people wish to as well.
>>738636474Fuck, he's so hot in 2. The scruff ramps up his appeal so much.
>>738666817There are different endings and some games that are "sequels" to different endings. Some of the endings are basically the same but easier ones end earlier. Not all of the endings have different sequels, but there are games that are sequels to Drakengard but neither is a sequel to the other.
>>738636165>Zero was a flippant serial killerI thought it was more like she saw Intoners' followers as a lost cause and was more focused on her goal of killing her sisters and then herself to give a damn.
