>>738632029
>Thralls prefer thralled false ownership
Color me surprised

I was never willing to pay $70.

they aren't playing game pass they only want Roblox. it's pointless to even try catering to them.

I paid $70 for exactly one game; Dragon's Dogma 2.
Never making that mistake ever again.

people are functionally poorer than they've been since the great depression so that tracks

>>738632029
i was never willing to pay $70

>>738632725
You were never the target audience poor kid.

>>738632029
This is a complete lie
>Windows Central
Figures, Game Pass stagnated and is on the decline. Gen Z are playing on Switch/Switch 2, PS5, and Steam. Xbox is dead and irrelevant. I thought most of these WCfags got laid off except that fat faggot.

>>738632029
so is the corpo strategy to sell games at increasingly ridiculous prices so that they can push a cheaper "you will own nothing" option? And then, push articles suggesting that people prefer not to own their own games while burying the lede. (that being, corpos are the one's who forced this kind of environment but they're lying by omission)

>>738633109
Cool, continue overpaying for shit you don't need I guess.

i live in canada. re9 would cost me 110 dollars. maybe go fuck yourself, i'm just gonna pirate everything

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>>738632029

>They aren't paying $70 for dogshit AAA releases
>That must mean they're wanting to pay monthly subscriptions! It's the only other way to get video games!
i will keep buying games on sale for $5-$20 thanks

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>boomers just want to buy indies and shit on steam sales
>zoomers just want game pass freebies and free/live service games with micro transactions
>gen alpha literally only play Roblox
Who is supposed to be spending the 70 bucks?

Let's play "predict the outcome."

Consoles move to this gamepass shit. No more ownership/traditional purchases. You pay a subscription and get access to a library of game licenses. Compared to the price hike of games, it'll look like the better option. Highest tiers get access to newest games. There will also be dev passes for extra monthly fee. This will give you all new releases from that dev. There will be lots of packages/passes. There will be a purchase-like options to get games not in your package. Basically buying the game specifically but it's disguised as a license upgrade jargon and it will be expensive to dissuade individual purchases.

Eventually every dev will shift to this "dev pass" shit full throttle. Playing their games requires monthly subscriptions only, and fewer games will end up on the console game pass service. From there, additional upgrade/pass options will be required. When before you got all the games, you now need to pay extra for instant releases. Some tiers will be 3 month wait. Lowest tiers will be the old back catelog etc.

They will incentivize the instant tiers with FOMO shit for the games.

>>738633517
the existence and continued sucess of steam really exposes the article writer, Adam Hales, as a fucking idiot. I even read through that trash and his conclusion was: Is Xbox Game Pass the answer? Maybe. idk lol. yes, i'm serious. Not sure if it's a good idea to let the intern vomit his thoughts out on some official outlet so that it seems more professional. Expecially when the conclusion is fucking stupid.

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>>738633803
So basically video streaming services. Somehow we got a product worse than cable.

Xbox still around? Das nuts nigger

>>738632029
Gamepass just reduced it's price because people weren't paying for it

>>738632029
"And that's a good thi-"
>shift towards game pass
Oh

>>738633803
Game Pass is dead in the water like Xbox, you can stop pushing this m8. Xbox, in all forms, has no future.

>>738632029
Zoomers are so fucking buck broken.

>>738633829
>Is Xbox Game Pass the answer? Maybe. idk lol.
If you're talking about XBox, the business, you wouldn't be wrong. It seems like renting basic AAA games to dumbass teenagers is about the extent of CEO Pajeeta's vision.

>>738632029
I have 1000 games on Steam alone already

>>738633736
God it would be so fucking funny if GTA6 crashed and burned

>>738632658
Such a fucking meme. No one in the great depression had or could afford a TV, fridge, heating or any food at all.

Video games have successfully shifted towards the F2P model with microtransactions. The only people who's pushing for gamepass and full priced titles are corporations scared shitless at the future of games where people are willing to pay full price for their goyslop. Game ownership is a dead concept and it's a good thing.

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>>738632029
love it when corpos and market analysts completely misjudge the why for trends.
>F tier games cost 70 dollars
>gamepass is right there with effectively infinite games decent for dirt cheap
people use gamepass because its simply the cost effective option and for better quality.
all these AAA's are going to try putting up 20 dollar subscriptions for individual games and are going to eat shit for it because they dont understand why people are using the subscription service in the first place
its literally picrel

>>738635223
Because everything was stupidly expensive and nobody knew what the fuck they were doing. The real nature of progress is things get cheaper and people learn how to allocate resources better.

Like everyone in America complains about how they can't afford houses, but the gold price of a house is lower than it's ever been. Does that mean houses are too expensive or Americans are too poor in terms of real purchasing power?

>>738633109
Ok what now that the target audience isn't interested?

>>738632029
Well good for zoomers then. Can't fathom why people want to buy subscriptions for shit they aren't going to own anyway. Literal retards paying for a Nintendo Online subscription to play old games when they can just pirate it, or buy the original physical copy off eBay.
Good to see people push for the return of physical media and not buy into this subscription-based only "you will own nothing" kikery.

Games for N64 were more expensive so I'm not that mad but the difference is you could let your friend borrow it after you beat it or rent it at the video store, now you don't even own the game if you even say gg

Zoomers who expect every game to be 100+ long repetitive open world slop so they feel they get their money's worth are responsible for the current state of gaming

>>738632029
flawed logic.

not a zoomer but wouldn't pay full price for any game going on 15 years now because games aren't finished when they release and require 2 years of fixes to be playable. it has almost nothing to do with cost and everything to do with that if i want to play a game, i want it to be the full game so i'll just wait 2 years, and its cheaper then anyways

>>738632029
>62% of zoomers no longer willing to pay $70 for a video game
Based
>and instead want to own nothing and be happy.
Fucking hell, It's so frustrating. These kids are so close to figuring it out, yet fumble at the last hurdle. Instead of wasting money on a game pass that makes them own nothing, they can pirate games for free and get to actually own them.

>>738635649
yeah is saw some fag bitching that the new Bond game is "only" 20 hours. It might be shit but not because its not a 80 hour slog

Spoonfeeding normies games through game pass is pretty smart

>>738632029
>western game devs are pozzed
>western gamers only pirate stuff
Yeah it's crashing again like the 80s, I'm just gonna watch while playing my eastern made games

>>738632029
So there are still some microslop shills left. Gamepass imploded so badly due to their price hikes that they don't dare to release user numbers anymore. They will never reach the 100 million they needed to break even.

>>738635507
It means Americans are fucking stupid and buying pointless shit they dont need which is why they cant afford a house

>>738635762
Check the source. It's microslop propaganda. They're desperately shillling Gammepass because it's a constantly bleeding hole in their asses. And the price hikes destroyed what little goodwill that little "service" have left. According to outside sources, gamepass' users are decreasing.

The drop with Gen Alpha is going to be even bigger. To them video games are free and accessible instantly in Fortnite and Roblox. Buying video games is for the olds.

>>738633736
Normal people who would never be responding to these surveys

>>738633109
Target audience does not exist

>>738632029
but you dont own games on steam either

Once again Microsoft has pushed the envelope well before the consumer was ready for it and they trip and fall because of it. Leaving everyone else to pickup their peices 5-10 years later when the dogshit practice is normalised.

>>738637887
>>738637989
it was always going to be an unsustainable business model even if it was successful
literally how the fuck were devs going to make their money back?

I guess they were trying to normalize renting games and eventually raise the price so much that you're basically paying full price to rent a game i.e. own nothing
but that's still a long period of time where you're underselling games

>>738632029
>Bank of America says spend more money or die
Lole
Lmoa

If you don't buy the game it goes on sale faster and for a deeper discount. Yea, not shit no one is buying $70 games. Do they think we're retarded? Maybe release them for a good price to begin with.

>>738639298
it used to work for years
normies buying CoD, fifa ect day one for years even though they dropped to 20 bucks after a month or so

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>>738632029
>I have a backlog
>I have a DRM free retro library I actually own in case something happens to that backlog
>Games release incomplete and broken on launch so there is no reason to buy it on launch, blame publishers for that one
>My wishlist is already 2000 strong and counting
>All of the best games I have played in the past 10 years were $40 and under ON LAUNCH, and the rest of them were games I bought on sale after 2 years of updates that made them actually how they should have been on launch

It's not that I'm buying your shitass subscription services, I'm just simply not buying games at $70, industry """"analysts"""" have their head so far up their own ass that they cannot conceptualize that all this industry cancer they try to force on us only works on normalfags with no standards, zoomers who would rather be playing free games in shit like Garry's Mod and Roblox, and people over 50 who don't know any better. They no longer have any power because the amount of games we eventually amass can feed a bunker of people for the rest of our lives.

>>738632029
>shifting towards Game Pass
>Windows Central
Meanwhile in real life subscriptions are down YoY for Xbox for how many quarters now?

>>738633380
Genuinely words to live by. That said I can't remember the last game I paid more than 20€ for

>>738632658
Poor people tend to subscribe to a lot of services and bleed money on shit they barely use, so that also tracks

70 USD is steep given something like 1/5 of men (the only people that play games) have effectively dropped from working entirely and the other 4/5 have much lower wages than any generation previously even for skilled labor

Money does not go very far anymore and people are not earning that much most jobs have not kept up with inflation for like 25 years. A guy working at dollar tree in 1990 probably made equivalent to pay for most jobs requiring a degree now.

>>738639234
It is sustainable but not how Microsoft wanted it to. Smaller scale renting services like PS+ works. It "just" doesn't have as many expensive games and no day 1 releases. Running a sub of old ass games barely anyone buys anymore is not that expensive. Xbox failed with Game Pass because they pretty much neglected everything else and hoped the value will bring people over. In fact Game Pass was the natural conclusion of MS being inacapable to create good games and sell them by their own merit. Now that they bought some then suddenly COD is not on Game Pass and I'm pretty sure more will follow.

>>738640973
Roblox and Fortnite subs are up howeverdobeit.

Filling Western games with Debra Wilson and trannies was the actual strategy to get men to tune out of playing video games. They seethe because Asian devs said "yeah sure okay" and then laughed as they took more market share for themselves by NOT making Debra Wilson games full of fat trannies.

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>>738641417
Debra Wilson is used by everyone
I don't get the hate honestly she at least delivers the lines no matter what they are
She will seriously say or do anything she's asked
They'll even put stupid shit all over head like a bird headdress and she'll say shit like "we have to activate the plutonium everpylons" or something and she'll say it like it actually matters

>>738640894
99% of the time analysts are either outright shilling or repeating internal mass employee briefings, which are basically written to be leaked to analysts.

>>738632029
Schrödinger’s zoomer:
>Has fake nostalgia for the 90s and loves retro gaming
>Will happily spend $300 for a 3DS or $250 for Pokemon Emerald
>Only plays Fortnite and mobile games
>Embodies the "You will own nothing and be happy" quote

>>738633282
Everything old is new again. When VHS was new they'd rather make $90 from a few rich dudes than $15 from a LOT of normies. This is why blockbuster got so big, because there was an enormous market for watching movies at home and studios refused to capitalise on it for the longest time.

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>>738641143
>>738635223
>>738635507
>>738637963
>PULL YOURSELF UP BY THEM BOOTSTRAPS BUCKO NOTHING IS WRONG

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>>738632029
The only time I spent 70€ on a game

>>738634814
I think it will be the opposite and break all records at an increased price.
All the other publishers will then try to follow suit and be the New GTA6, just like everyone wanted to be the new WoW, and all those will crash and burn.

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>>738642925
Gamefly is still a thing. Why is no one renting physical video games anymore?

>>738641735
Off topic, but that "two right hands" thing really bugs me. Chirality is that two otherwise identical things are mirror images of each other, often demonstrated as your left and right hand how they can't overlap in the same orientation. She says she has "chiral hands" but she has literally the EXACT OPPOSITE of chiral hands. We ALL have chirality in our hands, SHE does not... God damn it Kojima.

>>738632029
>goypass
Lmao. These subscription models don't work, even goyflix lost their customers and started complaining about piracy as soon as they started trying to turn a profit rather than just boasting infinite customer growth for bagholders.
50 60 70 80$ games also don't work and have never worked.

The industry will recover if they drop the pricefixing and just start selling games for 20$ or less.
>>738633380
Inflation doesn't have an effect on vidya. Production costs can be scaled and it is not scarce. Even if it did, games are cheaper to produce than ever, tools, publishing and knowledge are basically free and the audience is many times larger.

>>738643113
>Why is no one renting physical video games anymore?
I suspect because for the longest time they were too cheap to rent. I used to rent SNES games because the cost of owning was too high. But I stopped with the PS1 because they'd always be so discounted it just made more sense to own them. Now games are REALLY expensive again, but they also suck, so there's that stopping people from caring too I suppose.

>>738643250
>games are cheaper to produce than ever,
Not so much on the AAA end. Unreal and asset stores and such mean you don't need to hire ultra talented engine devs and god tier artists to produce games but they were never your biggest cost center anyway. Removing them and replacing them with 10 jeets doesn't change the budget much. Paying for all those assets and all the jeet wranglers you need to turn all that asset slop into a sellable video game is significantly more costly than when games were produced by 20 guys in a single office.
Indie is cheap, but indie was always cheap.

>>738643250
>These subscription models don't work
Even when they do make sense, they still fail
>MMO tries a fair subscription model
>Flops
>Goes F2P with P2W micro-transactions
>Becomes profitable

>Paying 70 bucks for a game that doesn't even guarantee you own it (See: Sony's latest debacle, the Crew etc.)

>>738641735
>I don't get the hate honestly
I don't mind her, she does a good job in basically everything she's in. The hate is mostly because of how prevalent she is in terms of being mocapped, that's all. If it was just her voicing someone no one would care, but they keep using her and her baldness in tons of games for the hell of it.

>>738643113
Games include too much padding to justify their inflated pricetag (so you spend a lot of time on a rental) or are sold at a price and convenience factor that makes renting pointless.
Renting games made sense when you were renting expensive cartridges and maybe in the early days of CDs when the paradigm of expensive cartridges still existed, but it is just nonsensical now.
Game rentals would only take off again if games came with dedicated 100$+ peripherals like that one Xbox mech game.

>>738643257
>Now games are REALLY expensive again, but they also suck, so there's that stopping people from caring too I suppose.
Grim! Doesn't help that a lot of modern games can be watched on YouTube and is pretty much the same as playing them.

>>738643330
AAA burns money on babysitting and daycare for middleaged and senior nepobabies, they do not spend most of their money in any way that has a positive effect on their end product. 20 man teams are still the way to go.
>>738643341
>becomes profitable
That's because it's a psychologically predatory business model that still has insufficient regulation compared to the gambling halls and opium dens it is emulating. It will cease being profitable once government regs catch up, much like how the advantages of streaming over cable are evaporating.

>>738643675
>20 man teams are still the way to go.
Where do the non programmer people who spend their entire day writing emails and doing meetings fit in such a small team?

>>738643784
They will be sold as ergonomic office furniture for WFH.

>>738641264
>Fortnite subs are up since it is included in Game Pass
O_o

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>>738632029
Why do journo fucks lie?
can they not read? is actually looking at the document too hard for them?

>62% are not willing to pay $70 for a video game and prefer subscription
no, it doesn't say this at all
it says 62% are unwilling to pay full price for a game, not $70, not $80, not $100, not $60
but they do not want to buy full priced games and prefer to wait for them to be cheaper
this is very different than paying $70.
Because they straight up say, we DON'T buy full priced games, not if they are willing to or not, but that they current do not.
When you look at the actual fucking graph here they put up, this isn't some zoomer thing, its a consistent trend to not buy full priced games
and this doesn't mean they are fucking buying subscriptions instead
what does this mean?
PEOPLE ARE BUYING GAMES ON SALE BECAUSE THEY ARE OVERPRICED
reading the fucking actually data as well makes it clear that subscriptions lower the perceived value of games not increase it
fucking journo fucks twisting shit and getting it backwards to try to push a bullshit agenda.

>>738644203
>fucking journo fucks twisting shit and getting it backwards to try to push a bullshit agenda.
Adam Hales posts 2-8 articles per day
it's slop, not journalism

>>738643169
You know what Anon?
I'm starting to worry this Kojima fellow might be all style and no substance.

>>738635649
On the other hand I'm not paying 70 dollarydoos for a 5-15 hour game with zero replayability either.

>>738635930
Eastern games are pozzed too and garbage in every other way. They haven't made anything worthwhile in decades.

>>738632029
Gamepass was failing too. Nobody buys full priced games, they pick them up for 10 bucks on sale after a few years, when the bugs are sorted out and you get all the dlc in a gold version.

Game companies treat early adopters like fucking morons that only exist to be exploited, the premium experience only comes from waiting and paying less.

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>>738644562
People used to do that which is how we got some many masterpieces in the 2000s. You little fuckers ruined vidya

>>738644392
you are not wrong, its slop
I just disagree that it isn't journalism. It is, and most journalism is just slop.

There are only a few journalists who actually engage in serious journalism.
And then they wonder why people treat it as a bad word and don't want to be associated with it despite an individual doing it, because they see the slop that gets put out and only respect a handful of serious journalists as actually doing journalism and know they are not doing that so they would rather not be associated with slop peddling bullshit artists.

Who taught the Zoomers to be like this? Generations don't appear in a vacuum. We failed to stop the psy-op.

>>738644641
Did we? Games always had replayability which is why we didn't get walking simulators
Except for Myst and granny games

>>738644641
>>738644764
Most games were only short if you already mastered them, they encouraged going back and doing a little bit better each run, or be hard as balls until you got gud.

>>738635649
Popular games never used to have a value problem. Halo 3 had a substantial single player with coop, infinite forge content and endless multiplayer for 40 bongs. Re4 was long, repayable and came with a great bonus mode to keep you busy. None of that content is lazy or procedurally generated.

What's the modern equivalent? Marathon, a multiplayer only gaas piece of shit with fuck all content, re9 a much shorter game with no replayability and a bonus mode they shat out after 5 minutes of development, also the game is 70 bucks. It doesn't need to be open world or 100 hours long to justify it's price.

>>738644927
He's a larping zoomer
He wouldn't know about 1ccs

>>738632029
>instead want to own nothing and be happy
thats not the message here, its just the cheaper alternative. i rather buy a diginal game for 20 bucks than a physical fpr 70

>>738632029
holy fuck these fucking tards. are going to ruin everything I fucking hate Zoomers so much.

>>738644641
The majority of well loved old games have fuck tonnes of content and replayability while having a lower price adjusted for earnings instead of inflation.

Hmmm...now I'm thinking these headlines about people not buying/not wanting to buy games aren't genuine, and are instead a 'manufactured consent' campaign to end direct media purchases and push perpetual streaming subscription slop.
All the pieces are falling into place now. Making personal computer totally unaffordable/unattainable is part of it.
'You will own NOTHING' was never a prediction, it was a declaration.

>>738635460
Nobody is using gamepass because it's also not cost effective. The most cost effective way to game is to buy gold/premuim edition keys on sale 3+ years after launch.

Zoomers can zuck my dick

>increase the price of everything on the fucking planet
>rent and bills skyrocket
>AHHH THE CONSUMERS AREN'T CONSUMING???

>>738644721
to be like what? what exactly is your issue with people not gobbling down goyslop at full price?

>>738643050
This game was the first time this series became mainstream in the west. Cool stuff.

>>738644606
wrong. cry harder retard

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>>738632029
fuck you mean "anymore"? games should be 60 shekels tops

>b-but inflation
we don't have inflation lmao we have STAGFLATION
our salaries are NOT going up
shit's getting more expensive and we're BROKE

>>738632029
>no longer
I was never willing to pay it, even with the decent wage I make nowadays.
I do not really care about their whining about inflation either, because they never lowered the prices when we switched from physical to digital, they just pocketed the difference.
so I see no reason why I should care about their expenses now. that's their problem, not mine. if they cannot figure out how to make a game that doesn't need a $70 price tag to break even, then they can go bankrupt and I'll play something else.

>>738632029
>shilling marketing articles that are trying to convince people subscription is cool
most people will just ignore shit and wait for discount or pirate it. I know exactly one person who used gaming subscription and even he cancelled it after three months lol.

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>>738632029
>$120
>runs like shit
>story is ass
>full of woke crap
>clearly not playtested
WHY ISNT ANYONE BUYING GAMES IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!!!

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>>738632029
>console peasants seething

You love to see it

>goypass

>>738633976
Streaming platforms are already turning into cable with forced ad breaks even on higher fee subscriptions.

>>738645985
Tri sold less than 2ndG

>>738644641
People don't know what they want
They gush over linear games like RE9 and spend hundreds of hours on roguelikes but then want everything to be open world and actively talk shit about arcade games.

>crank up prices of games to $150 dollars
>offer cuckpass for a fraction of the amount
>all nigger-tier live service goyim games you couldn't keep anyway
>zoomgroids and alphaborts lose their minds
>actual quote, mid vape, heard while said zoomer's mom is getting pounded by 12 blacks one room over like that one .webm on /gif/ where the nigger says "wake up lil G": "WOW this game is bussin' fr fr!!!"

>>738632029
>and instead want to own nothing and be happy.
BASED

>and be happy
Oof.. zoomoid didn't (couldn't?) read the fine print.

>>738635223
exactly
if you can't find 12 year old prostitutes by walking around the block, we still haven't hit the old rock-bottom

>>738632029
in the last 10 years there's been 3 games i'm willing to pay full price for. everything else is pirated or sale only.
70$ would unironically be better spent on f2p gacha games monthly passes then western triple A slop

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>>738640894
not to mention the review scores really shows how out of touch they are. in no world should a reviewer and user score be off by this much
the only audience they have are political borderline extremist feminist warriors who hilariously spend all day on bluesky or rddt instead of playing the games they shill.

>>738632029
Zoomers love renting.
They rent their houses, they use subscription services for all their media, they rent gaming PCs and consoles, they lease their cars or use car sharing programs, they rent clothing when they go to events, they rent furniture, they rent tools and kitchen equipment, they rent EVERYTHING and they love it.

>>738647019
i'd argue nostalgia bait remasters is probably the best trend for companies to capitalize on if they want to make any money. its obvious the new writers nowadays are mostly talentless losers, so why waste money developping when you can have some 30 year old get excited about replaying an old rpg they played when they were 10 that everyone knows is good

>>738632029
I would happily pay for game that would cost 70dol, if said game would give me 100-150+ h of good entertaiment. Of course there are some other factors like no jew dlc every 3-6m that change everything model. The pricetag isnt the problem, the issue lies under what is being sold for that amount- theres maybe a few games thats wprth those 70dol, but its becoming a new standard for smaller or cheaply-made games.
I pirate like 3/4 of games that I play simply because of devs jew tactics, or because games isnt worth it.

>>738632029
you don't own the $70 game either...

I got game pass for the cloud gaming. Havent bought a console since PS2. Most stuff I pirate anyway. Am thinking about getting a chinkheld to emulate some classics. I understand the hate microsoft gets and I feel that way too but it has its use in some cases.

>>738632029
subscriptions is total cancer

>no mention of how the games are all shit

Here's the actually scary part. Zoomers and alphoomers are not even remotely interested in the holocaust

>>738635507
it means both real estate and gold have inflated you complete fucktard.

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>>738632029
>gen z's shift towards xbox game pass
who the fuck is this article trying to fool?
>windowscentral.com
pffffffhahahlol

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>>738634814
Funny yes, but you should know by now that sequels literally cannot fail. Video game consumers are the peak of cattle and WILL buy it just because its a sequel to another game they liked or was popular.

Brand recognition >>>>>>>>>> Literally everything else

>>738643098
>All the other publishers will then try to follow suit and be the New GTA6, just like everyone wanted to be the new WoW, and all those will crash and burn.
Watched this shit happen in real time for the last 20 years. The MMO scene still hasn't recovered and likely never will.
>WW2 game gets popular
>3000000 WW2 games
>Zombie game gets popular
>Everyone now making a zombie game
>Minecraft gets popular
>6 trillion block autism clones
>LoL gets popular
>guess what happened next
>Genshin prints billions for china
>Genshin clones everywhere, but also gacha infesting everything
>Extraction shooter fotm
>Drop every current project and shift all dead IPs we've been hoarding into extraction shooters
FOTM is eternal
FOMO is god

>>738649509
And they somehow still haven't realized that six-year dev cycles make them completely miss that flavor of the month window.

>70 dollar game bought on release (5 hours play time)
>7 dollar game bought in a sale (500 hours play time)

I made an indie game a while back and a friend's kid asked me how much it cost cause he would buy it to support me lol.
he was flabbergasted it was $7.50 (outraged even), this was a 12 year old.

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>>738632029
HOW ABOUT MAKES GAMES £45 AGAIN!?

THATS WHAT HTEY INTERNATIONALLY WERE 2 YEARS AGO

THATS WHY NOONE CAN AFFORD GAMES
MAKE THEM 40 NEW NOT 70 YOU DISENGENIC CUNTS

>>738650517
>DISENGENIC
Not a word. Dumb Bong.

Nobody below 35 (and 350 pounds) has a Gamepass subscription.

>>738633380
I still only do $20 to be honest. And I'm only willing to spend that once or twice a year on games

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>>738632029
Isn't it just regarded normalfags who buy full price to begin with? Anyone who has half a brain is going to wait for sales, especially since all big game releases are DLC milking shit.

>>738632029
>subscriptions
no, rabbi. you won't take away my games
>$70
you won't scam me either

>>738632029
>own video game
>finish it, out of pocket a large sum of money
Why wouldn't they just use a subscription to play and beat games? You're saving hundreds a month, oh no now there won't be heckin ninty keycards cases hanging around your home doing nothing and depreciating massively, how horrible!!

>>738632029
>gacha games offer 100+ hours of content for free
>games like witcher 3+all the dlc are $10
>f2p live service games you can sink 1000 hours into
Really, why the fuck would you pay $70 for a video game unless you want to directly support the devs or it's a story based game in a franchise you love and you don't want to get spoiled?

Imagine paying full price for Pirate Yakuza and then less than a year later it's down to $15. What a terrible value proposition, your copy becomes completely devalued too.

>>738632029
Why buy new games when I can play the old ones that I already have?

>>738653267
Yeah you'd have to be demented to pay full price for Yakuza:Like a Quirk Chungus. Devs just need to "get real" with their pricing. Hollow Knight devs knew this. They could've easily made their game $60 but they didn't

>>738653267
>Imagine paying full price for Pirate Yakuza and then less than a year later it's down to $15.
It's actually only gone as low as $30 so far but I get your point. I personally only have two series I am willing to spend full price for and that's Kingdom Hearts and Yakuza, but realistically Yakuza games should be like $40-$50 max at launch. For the budget they're targeting and the overall scope of the games it's the price that makes the most sense, especially since the price of the games just after a few months is already fairly steep sales to that range showing that that's more appropriate for it. Kingdom Hearts took ages to hit $20 for basically any of their games and regularly retains its value, so $50 is more than reasonable for most of them.

$60 has always felt like a nonsensical price for me for any game, and $70 feels like highway robbery and the three times now where I've paid that (7, 8, and 8G with StH being the next one) it's felt like way too much even if I got several hundred hours from both 7 and 8. I can count the number of times I've paid $60 for a game on one hand outside of the secondary market and that's Dead Space 2 at launch, Kingdom Hearts 2.8, Kingdom Hearts 3, and Kingdom Hearts MoM.

AAA games are the most apparent with this because they feel like $20-30 games every time despite their production values. I don't think I've ever paid more than $35 for any Sony AAA game or any Xbox AAA game. Assassin's Creed games I always wait until they're $40 or lower and that's a guilty pleasure game, realistically they are $25ish games.
Limited run physical copies for even major games don't ever go past the $50 mark so I don't understand where these companies get off charging more than that.

>>738653817
>It's actually only gone as low as $30 so far but I get your point
Scroll down to price history
https://www.dekudeals.com/items/like-a-dragon-pirate-yakuza-in-hawaii
It's been down to $15 for physical on woot as well

Beyond that, I agree that it feels nonsensical to have these games be so expensive. Those AAA games always go down to around $10-$30 within a year or 2 as well, I've seen Sega decrease the cost of games less than a month after release like with Sonic Frontiers and SMTV. So starting the price high only to cut it down to the price it SHOULD be just seems like a way for them to extract more money. It might as well be the $30 paid early access that Microsoft is doing for some of their games, you're paying an extra $30 extra to get access to the game before it drops down to the actual price they're willing to sell it for.

I truly wonder if they'd be better off if they launched at $30~ instead and then never put it on sale, the Factorio route.

>>738654192
>It's been down to $15 for physical on woot as well
Ah man, I must have missed it. I think I grabbed it for $30 or maybe even $25 a couple months back on Amazon and I regularly watch Slickdeals so I guess I missed it. 0 DC and K1&K2 PS5s just hit $30 despite only coming out maybe three months ago at best.
>I truly wonder if they'd be better off if they launched at $30~ instead and then never put it on sale, the Factorio route.
I think it's hard for the pricing overall. I can buy into like $50 being the upper scale for things like certain Nintendo games (Pokemon, big Zelda games, Metroid, maybe Splatoon), certain Sony games (Ghost games), and certain Xbox games (Halo primarily) but past that I have a hard time reconciling that price point for a lot of games. $40 seems like a fairly reasonable spot for a lot of the non-console-producing companies to release at because it's not too expensive on top of some of Nintendo's smaller stuff like Arms, Mario, Kirby, or Pikmin, but still a hefty chunk of change. The $10-20 range is indie in my mind and it constantly feels weird to see a lot of AAA games hit this level. Anything between that would be lower end games that aren't exactly indie but aren't doing Squeenix or Capcom throwaway game budgets.

That's just how I personally view the reasonable prices. I will absolutely stand by anything past $50 not on the secondary market being wholly unreasonable though. I do not care if your team is in the hundreds, that is not my problem. That is on you to rein it in and fix your scope creep or consolidate the team better. What I see is what I get and this is my personal belief on this.

>>738632029
2000
>go to the local video store
>pay $5 for your game rental
>get one game for the weekend
>repeat for four weekends a month for $20/mo
>no one bats an eye
2026
>access Game Pass from the comfort of your computer
>pay $10-$22/mo
>get 50-500+ games depending on the tier
>you have them for the entire month
>people flip tits up and pitches immense fits about how rentals are the devil and are eroding the indsutry
So like, do zoomers just not know any better? Do they not know that this is a direct improvement?

>>738653817
Why the fuck are you using a tripcode?

>>738654835
You missed the part where I can still purchase the game directly in 2000 if I wanted to.

>>738632029
Microsoft tried to sell me Lysol on my XBox360 dashboard.
I haven't given them a cent since.

It's not just zoomers, it's anyone with a functioning brain that doesn't want to be milked by an evil corporation who produces slop.

>>738654835
The difference between 2000 rentals and 2026 rentals was that you had a much larger selection. It's not comparable when you could go to a rental store and get OoT and FF8 day one, as opposed to only being able to play the smaller selection of games that are available on a streaming service that is tied to a singular ecosystem.

1 game you really want to play is worth more than 500 games that you don't give a shit about, that's the downside of game pass; it's mostly filler.

>>738632029
>zoomers pick retardation A over retardation B
lol

>>738632029
>fact: people are not willing to pay $70 for video games
>complete fabrication: people are more in favor of paying a subscription over buying games
manipulative writing, disguising something reasonable, $70 games being absurd, to market subscription services, journos deserve the guillotine

>>738642991
Just stop lying and feeling sorry for yourselves.
Why is your entire generation women, even the men?
Pathetic, manipulative, dishonest, sociopathic, thieving, aggressive, whiny, hypocritical rats.
And bootlickers on top of it all.
You'll eat a mile of government shit if they'll slap some random businessman on the wrist to make you feel important and in charge.

>>738632029
I used to be really mad about this but in the end... it's just games bro. My physical collection only uses space and makes me feel like a manchild. Now I keep it hidden in a drawer.

>>738654835
>2026
AND you have to pay $10-$22/mo on 15 different paysites
AND content can wildly shift and disappear ANY time
AND the cancel button is missing or doesn't work
/micdrop

>>738635223
Things are different now than they used to be. In previous decades, necessities such as housing, food, and education were very cheap, whereas luxuries such as technology and cars were comparatively more expensive. Nowadays, it's the opposite. Luxuries such as smartphones and streaming services are dirt cheap while necessities are much more expensive than they've ever been.

>>738655602
Smartphones double as tracking devices and as a way to yoink your info so companies can advertise to you. You are the product when it comes to smartphones, that's why they're such an outlier.

>>738632029
I don't even remember the last game I bought.
I either pirate my games or have a friend who's really into a game buy it for me so I can play with him (and others friends).
I spend all my money in cheese, drugs and ginger (for tea).

>>738655143
>It's not comparable when you could go to a rental store and get OoT and FF8 day one
Game Pass Ultimate gets day-one games THOUGH

>>738655710
That's why Ublock and AdNeaseum exist.

>>738655513
>AND you have to pay $10-$22/mo on 15 different paysites
You don't though. Game Pass Ultimate actually comes with other game rentals rolled into its package.

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>>738635223
>no one could afford things that didn't exist yet
Wow, brilliant insight.

>>738632325
90% of normies don't care about ownership. They pay whatever to access the content they want, and after they are done woth it, they don't care what happens with it.

>>738635649
Millennial here. I expect every game to give at least 100 hours too. That's how shit was when I grew up. Are you such a newfag to gaming you don't remember the ps2 era where that was the norm?

>>738633380
>muh inflation!
Not falling for that, shill. It's 20, always has been, always will be.

>>738655345
>Why is your entire generation women, even the men?
Because boomers raised the zoomzooms to be that way, through the schools and the media and the culture destruction. It's not really their fault they were raised to be loserfaggots.

>>738656173
>That's how shit was when I grew up.
Faux millenial. Most games on PS2 and especially on PS1 didn't have that much content. FFX12 was hyped as having more than 100 hours of content, and there were other ones as well, but they were always outliers.
>but muh replay value!
Yeah, for relatively short games. I remember me and my siblings spending way too much time on some shitty HP licenced games, but in retrospect I doubt we spent more than maybe 30 hours per head with each of them. There's only so much fun you can have with bugs and such.

>>738655345
How's the boot?

>>738655821
It doesn't, you need to pay $30 extra per game to play it the first day it's available. The selection is also super shit compared to rental stores.

>>738656551
Basically every RPG was long and that's the only genre worth caring about.

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Which of these games from 2026 should I pay 70 bucks for?

>>738654902
moose's alright, he's our resident yakuza autist

>>738656551
Yeah, it's funny because speedrunning became a thing because games were so short and people only owned a handful of them so they'd just play Mario 64 and OoT over and over again.

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>>738656610
lmao what. you have to pay a subscription and then a cost greater than the subscription for a new game that you don't get to keep once the month rolls over? that seems like a horrible deal

>>738632029
I'm not paying more than $30 for a game

>>738632029
we're using that money to pay our rent, i don't care muh ownership

>>738632029
I'm a zoomer and will never pay full price for a game.
I'll pirate or buy it when it's on sale for a reasonable price

No shit sherlock. Who would have thought that people don't like to be tricked by greedy jews.

>buying games
It's the license you pay for, which I fact is worthless if there are dozen of alternatives.

>>738656829
Microsoft does that for all their games, it's $30 to play early even if you have GP ultimate and even if you buy it digitally. They're doing it with World of Warcraft now too, aregular expansion is $50, to play it 4 days early(aka when it actually comes out) it costs $90. The early access used to be free when preordering under Activision, now it's locked to the premium tier.

>>738656736
ace combat 8 is the only one i'd consider for myself.
the kids would like star fox but we don't have a switch 2 so nope

>>738656551
It's telling that your example for replay value is harry potter shovelware. I've spent more time playing Metroid, Touhou, and DMC than any single game with loads of "content" (filler).

>>738632029
>It's cheaper for people to spend 25$/m than shilling 88$ for a game after taxes
Wew, who would've thought that if you keep increasing the prices endlessly you'd price out most of your audience out of your products?

>>738656736
GTA6 will take forever to drop in price.
Tomb Raider is likely going to underperform.
Star Wars is likely going to Marvel's Midnight Suns i.e. it's going to flop and hit $20 very quickly.
Fable is likely going to flop as it already does not have good word of mouth.
Wolverine will most likely do the same as Spidey 2 so after about 6ish months it'll be $40ish.
Onimusha will be $20 in 4-6 months like every other RE game.
Phantom Blade 0 is going to underperform unless some miracle happens.
E-Day is likely going to flop considering Gears 5 before it and 3 and Judgment Day didn't do as well as 1 or 2.
007 is will definitely drop to $40 within a few months.
Lords of the Fallen II will follow in its predecessor's footsteps and be $20 after like four months unless it exceptionally blows up.
Mortal Shell II will drop very quickly since the first game was already niche as hell.
Castlevania's gonna drop to $20 quickly. Bloodstained did, I have no real reason to believe it won't either.
Silent Hill I can only see following the RE sales strategy and drop after a few months to $40 then down to $20 more or less permanently.
Kena is going to $20 almost instantly since that's what he original did. Pretty sure I bought the deluxe edition of the PS4 version for $20 after like three months.
All AC games drop to $40 after roughly 3ish months and then $30 after another month or two.
Star Fox is already $50 on Amazon and Walmart.
Sinking City 1 already flew under the radar and was $20 after a few months so I can't imagine this will do any better.
Stranger than Heaven is a Yakuza game so $40 after about four months, $30 after about five or six, and $20 after seven or eight.
Lego games all heavily drop to $20 very quickly even if it's an Arkham game. I expect it to hit $30ish after like four months max.
Control hit $40 very quickly. The only game from their lineup that didn't was Alan Wake 2 which took an eternity to hit $30.
Duskbloods will probably take five months to drop.

>>738656736
None of them.
They're all shit, just get yourself an emulator and play literally thousands of older (and magnitudes better) games for $0.

>>738656610
>you need to pay $30 extra per game
No you don't

>>738632029
>in an economic recession in everything but name
>I know, lets increase the price of luxury goods!
Only those below 100IQ get MBAs.

>>738656764
>moose's alright
No he's not. Even beyond the fact that no tripfag is acceptable, he's been spotted obsessing over Assassin's Creed and pitching fits in threads about RetroAchievements because he's one of those fags that cares a ton about them but also feels entitled to complete sets. Guy is fucking awful with shit taste.

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>>738657836
You're right. The premium upgrade for Forza, which is what contains the early access, costs $60 if you're paying for GPU.

>Alternatively, if you already plan to play Forza Horizon 6 through Xbox Game Pass Ultimate or PC Game Pass, there's a special Forza Horizon 6 Premium Upgrade Bundle that takes out the base game, because it assumes that you'll have access to that already through Game Pass. As a result, you get a significant saving on the cost.

>>738632029
You don't own digital videogames, might as well just get gamepass. Only PirateChads can claim to own their vidya

>>738658113
GP games can expire at any time. It’s very rare for digital games to expire after you’ve paid for them. I can load up a game on Steam or PS5 I purchased over a decade ago.

>>738658032
Ah, lol, you fukken faggot. I see what you did there. We were talking about Day 1 and you're slyly changed it to "First Available." Sure, I guess if you want to be a pedantic and disingenuous prick, you can say that "Xbox Game Pass Ultimate doesn't have Day -4." You'll just have to settle for Day 1 like with normal rentals, I guess.

>>738632448
Same. DD2 was a letdown

>>738632029
Gee I wonder why people would rather spend around 10 dollars for multiple games over 70 dollars for one game, this is such a crazy thing to do.

>>738632029
>People reject $70 games
oh god, finally, hope in humanity restored, people aren't as retarded as I th-
>People buy gamepass instead
FUCK THIS SPECIES

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most games aren't worth owning

>>738658334
I'm not the one being disingenuous. Day 1 implies that you are playing it at release, you are NOT playing it at release if you have to wait 4 days to play it after everyone else. If Game Pass Ultimate games had these early access perks bundled in then yes, that would be day 1 but GPU members are being charged $30($60 in the case of Forza) to play things when they release.

If Microsoft abolished this predatory and needlessly greedy system then it'd be day 1 but until that happens, it's not day 1. It's day 5.

>>738632029
Zoomers need to learn about emulation, ffs.
It's not even nostalgia and other "but it aged well!".
Game from 10-15 years ago look way fucking better, are more ambitious AND run on what can be considered a toaster nowadays.

>>738656736
Literally only Pragmata (and Ocarina of Time but that isn't from 2026)

>>738641735
Like the other said, i hate seeing her mocap, i hate mocap, period.

>>738634814
It won't crash and burn, but you will cope and seethe instead, incel, just like always.

>>738656716
It wasn't, unless you grinded some endgame content for dozens of hours. My FFX playthrough clocked a little over 60 hours, add a few hours for unsaved playtime. Did some of the optional content.

>>738637963
Nigga homes went from 70k to 450k. By the time you can afford it you are an old man now

>>738655345
You boomers wouldn't last a single week in modern times now, you literally CRY because the cashier doesn't look at you, imagine that shit being your drama LMAO

>>738657071
I used those as an example because they're probably the games I've extracted the most "fun" out of when compared to how little content there actually is.

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>>738632029
I still haven't purchased a SINGLE seventy dollar game

Pirated Tears of the Kingdom
Got Sonic Racing Crossworlds for 60

No other games I've attempted to play have even had 70 dollar pricetags

>>738632029
>game releases at 70
>wait two weeks
>it's already selling at a discount
I really don't know why people bother buying at launch.

70 (more like 80) euro
I can either get
>A single aaa 5-15 hours long movie-game
Or
>5-7 smaller game I would play for hundred of hours
It's not my problem if your game cost you 300 millions to make, if it's not worth it, I ain't buy it

>>738649425
Gold doesn't inflate. Everything else gets cheaper.

>>738632725
I don't get how most of you americans have never heard of key sites like G2A or loaded. you get games on steam for a quarter of the price basically all the time without there being a sale...

I bought evenicle on sale for 25 euro the other day
I'm 43 hours in and I'm not done yet, still need to play the last chapter than kill all the mega monster, do all the sidequest.. I will finish it a 55 hours at least
During the sale I also bought gear of dragoon and a venusblood title, 60 euro the 3, will take me at least 180 hours to finish them all
If I bought a single aaa game for 60 euro, I woule have played 5-10 hours

>>738635649
If you're going to charge $70 then the game should be someone around the 80 hours mark, no?

>>738661853
If you didn't clear all the bonus bosses and get every ultimate weapon you weren't playing them right.

>>738632029
Someone genuinely tell me what this generations lasting legacy will be? Apparently the PS5 sold almost 100 million fucking consoles but they have literally nothing to show for it. The PS360 had a significantly bigger impact despite selling less.

The problem is both gamers and companies.
There's no clear marketprice for entertainment in games.
There's no 10-20 bracket, 20-40, 40-60...
It doesn't exist.
$15 is like a super premium indie game, and then you jump to fucking $60-70
What's the last released game that was good and priced $40 bucks?

>>738639234
Renting games digitally is fine, and I doubt anyone wants to do that completely instead of owning a game they like. Just have to ask yourself how often you bought a game you rented, it will be the exact same phenomenon but the amount of games rented simultaneously has grown to a large mass volume.

>>738632029
I have yet to pay $70 for a new game and don't plan on it. I have found every new game I wanted on release for cheaper. Than what these idiots asked for.

>>738663375
its called cosmetics for free to play games

>>738663189
No.

>>738663416
Exactly, that's my point
There's no game that's aimed to the middle of the bracket

>>738633380
>MUH INFLATION
fuck off, 20 dollars, max.

>>738648935
>Veilgard
that game was heavily brigaded by chuds, we both know that, retard.

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GTA notwishtadning right? Because that's the one game that I believe motherfuckers would be willing to pay $100 for some Complete Package whatever version

>>738633380
doesnt work because game prices didnt increase anywhere near 150% since 1992, they deal with inflation via DLC, microtransactions and cutting corners

>>738651724
>Why wouldn't they just use a subscription to play and beat games?
That was exactly what I meant when I mentioned renting a game, and asked how often you bought the games you rented too. There's just a lot of games that benefit in a rental model. That doesn't mean there's not standout gems you would purchase separately too.

>>738663189
If a game takes that long to play once, then I'm just not going to play it.

>>738663189
this was never the case after over half of century of this medium existing

>>738632029
>Gen Z's shift toward Xbox Game Pass
Microsoft desperately making shit up now? Nobody wants more subscriptions

>>738663442
How could the game possibly justify the price then, I wouldn't buy it if it's short.

>>738663782
There's $70 games dude, whether we are buying them or not.

>>738663895
I would if it was good.

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It is on you, the corporate slave, to justify the price increase. Modern games don't even deserve 60 dollars, and you want to move to 70? What are you offering?

>oooh we made the graphics prettier
Not an argument. Only retards care about pretty graphics.
>we added more cutscenes and voice acting and celebrities
Only the hollywood addicted morons from /tv/ would want this trash.
>w-well we added achievements and discord/twitter integration
You should be paying me for adding this filth into a game.

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>Hey guys, lets call our garbage AAAA and charge even more for it!
>what do you mean people won't even pay what we used to ask for this trash?

>>738632448
>>738658553
Blasters?

>>738632029
>make industry digital so gamers can't buy and sell used games
>gamers no longer can trade in meh or non-favorite games to buy the new shit coming out
>libraries only grow
>have big sales three times a year
>backlogs only expand
>can easily simply wait for a new game to drop in price by playing what you already have
>why are gamers not buying our overpriced AAA bullshit
Those retards thought they wanted us all on digital, but they didn't.

>>738663895

Because, uh... they used real actors and made 8k textures that you don't care about, and hired 12 screenwriters and, uh...
anyway, nothing really important when we're talking about a video GAME.
They consider their games to be luxury items when they are not worth more than a quarter of their price.

>>738634814
Unfortunately it won't because it's named GTA
Even those dogshit, objectively broken jeet coded "definitive" editions sold 10 millon plus

>>738663189
The only games where a single playthrough last that fucking long are JRPGs and some WRPGs, most are done with between 20-50 hours depending.

>>738644951
This, Gears of war 3 for instance had
>lengthy normal campaign
>Arcade campaign
>Beast mode
>Horde Mode
>several multiplayer modes
>bots for the multiplayer so you can play by yourself.
And that was just when it released, now we can't even get half of that in newer titles.

>>738632029
>no longer
No one with a brain was ever willing to pay such a retarded price.

Solution: go back to 60 dollars and STAY THERE.

>>738637963
>house prices more than quadruple within 20 years
>ITS THE HECKIN KIDS FAULT THEY SHOULDN'T BUY DA AVACADO TOAST
fucking boomers man, vast majority of younger people were still in grade school when you retards broke the economy and it never truly recovered

>>738665031
If GoW 2 and 3 were ported to PC this year then they'd be my most anticipated releases for 26.

>>738640894
Literally me, my wishlist is primarily cheaper games and I my backlog is absolutely immense on Steam alone, let alone on all my consoles and non-steam games. I don't need new sloppa if they don't offer me anything.

>>738663480
Nta but
>STILL unironically defending that game
Just take the L and move on little bro

>>738637963
the house I grew up in that my parents bought for 100k now costs half a million

>>738637963
>If I stop spending 50 dollars on game and 20 on streaming every month, I will be able to buy a 500,000 dollars house soon

>>738633109
Prices are going back to 50-60 bucks so apparently nobody was the target audience for the price hikes. There is a ceiling to video game prices after which people start thinking that maybe going outside is cheaper and better after all.

>>738665467
On the last sales, I bought 18 games for 170 euros, I have enought games for the rest of the year, bought
>littlewitch romanesque
>eiyu senki gold
>venusblood frontier
>gears of dragoons
>soul nomad and the world eater
>la pucelle ragnarock
>makai kingdom
>the alliance allive
>killer7
>...
I calculated with howlongtobeat data, I will have at least 600 hours of gameplay for my cart
OR I could have bought 2 triple AAA for 160 euro and played 10-25 hours
my wish list is in the hundred, I have too many games I want to play, why would I get a AAA on day one ?

>>738665427
Unironically fucking same, I got tons of time out of those games when I was younger, I could easily still play horde mode with my buddies

>won't pay 70$
>anymore
kill yourself kikes

>>738665838
A person can buy the entire Resident Evil Franchise on Steam for less than $200 when they go on sale, what the fuck do modern devs have to offer that's better value in comparison? And that's just one instance too.

Indians told v Xbox is dead tho

>>738641735
I wish she was a voice actor for characters instead of being a voice actor as literally her.

>>738632029
literally who is using gamepass?

>>738665427
Same but not if they're as bad as Gears of War: Reloaded's release was.

>>738666496
Unironically, older people over 50 with minimal interest or hyper specific taste in video games. My aunt had it. I don't know any other kind of person who actually has game pass.

>>738662530
>Gold doesn't inflate
it does, just slowly. mining increases the above ground supply and very little gold is actually consumed
yes i'm being pedantic

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Most games I buy these days are either on sale or are having launch discounts on third party sites.
I still buy the deluxe more often than not, just at the price of standard most of the time.

>>738632029
>and instead want to own nothing and be happy.
So like all steam users?

>>738666689
For sure. I'd dig up the GFWL version of GoW1 before playing either of the remakes.

>>738643098
It’ll break all records at an increased price and still not make enough. The online is gonna have to be a subscription or be basically unusable without paying extra for a pass or shart cards or w/e

>>738663259
Nope, my time is more valuable than the required grind. These were also strategy guide bait.