Diablo has one of the most underrated stories in vidyas. Diablo 4s is kino
you don't have to take a dump on the board like that, man. there's toilets where you can drop your "opinion" instead
>posting screenshot from VoH, which is a dogshit filler episode
Reminds me of the there’s nothing more cucked than having a daughter pasta and image
>>738634693>flared nostril brown jungle asian female has a meltyWow, that sounds awesome!
>>738634852I wouldn't say it's a melty. She is being legitimately tortured by a demon.
>>738634769Yeah I haven't even gotten to Lord Of Hatred yet
I really love the worldbuilding and lore of the Diablo games, but i must be the only one
>>738634852Retard. Also Neyrelle is cute.
Diablo 4 was so bad I couldnt even finish it with 2 of my normie friends.
>>738634693Can't wait to watch Tyrael die.>>738634972Immortal and 3's story are pretty stinky.
>>738634894>blizzardfag pretends to not understand thus making discourse impossible
>>738634982Shit taste in games shit taste in fictional women
>>738634986>normies (you included) don't like cool vidyaColor me surprised>>738635038Diablo 3s story is kino. Immortals is dogshit though I agree.
>>738635052She's carrying the soulstone housing Mephistos essence. Get the fuck out of my thread you retard
>>738634972I've noticed 90% of Diablo "fans" literally use it as a glorified loot box simulator. aRPG fans are the most cancerous fandom in gaming
>>738634982
>>738635242That title should go to the competitive gamers, but not the ones at the top. The biggest cancer comes from the ones trying to be the top, but don't realize they never will. A large majority of those players in fact.
>>738634693How mindbroken by culture war bullshit do you have to be to not like Diablo 4. I can understand hating on shit like Mixtape and Dustborn, but Diablo? It's genuinely kinda sad.
>>738634693The story isn't underrated. It's just ok.
>>738635457It's boring as fuck.
>>738634693It’s because they used Berserk and Claymore as inspiration. Diablo 4 is basically a 90s anime.
>>738637193Also Vampire Hunter D.
It’s probably has one of the best “create your own character” plot involvement of all time, next to Mass Effect 2, all due to how the main character is voiced and framed in the story. So many games where you create a character just have you basically as a background character, where D4 is one of the VERY few narratives where they’ve made a custom character work.
>>738637045Then you must think Diablo 2 is boring as fuck, because 4 is better than 2
>>738635457the modern lootslave pinata gameplay is unappealing to me. played d4 years ago and got bored out of my mind as my necromancer watched literally whos yap about rathma without any special input from him.mephisto will never live down being trampled in 0,5s in D2. he is not threatening. does not have the cool of baal or diablo.>duuuuude he's subverting everyone like a false idol and shitand in d2 he had a whole religion under his belt and look how that worked out.D4 is a massive safegory retread with nothing interesting going on that I didn't already see.
I will continue to play Grim Dawn.
>>738635242I still never played anything except D1 because I'm scared of the loot spam I heard about in the later games.
>>738637516dangerously based, I'm mad hype for fangs
>>738634693I generally enjoy the adventure in DiabloVoH did have some pretty meh parts though, but the nostalgiabait of certain places in Nahantu worked like a charm on me and I enjoyed it overall despite those hiccups
>>738634693>>738634982>>738635457>>738636973>>738637740How much is the salary to shill Blizzard?
>>738637914>jeet humor
>>738634693>the scene where you finish urivar offI stood and clapped at how they implemented that.
>look at some site where people post their character builds>full rank 150 glyphs>highest solo pit: 130do stream shitters unironically pay money for pit boosts?
Are there going to be more xpacks for D4?Looks like the story is done now and they killed off literally every character they introduced.
>>738638542There's probably three-four more expansions left. Companies map out online games nowadays with 10 year plans.All the lore in the game points to Baal and Diablo expansions. What that means for the story now that everyone is dead I don't know.I'd rather Diablo V after this, but that's just me.
>>738638003I wasnt joking
I just trust Diablo IV's team. They made this really comprehensive game with an intelligent script. I actually think in another 3 years, you won't even recognize the game.
>>738634693For all it's worth, Urivar was kinda a cool filler boss. He was well designed and I enjoyed the insight into the power struggles of the church after the failed invasion of hell.
https://youtu.be/jQSgjkQcUoc?t=353
Ah yes the Mcguffin chase of Lilith's bone dagger combined with her walk n chat memory sequences, indeed, so SO kino. The expansion should've been 70% you working with Amazon waifus and saving them from certain death and 30% Mephisto/Lilith family drama.
>>738641367Nah I like the expansion just as it is.
The Diablo franchise stopped at D2:LoD. All else that followed is slop.
I don't even know what the story was in the second game and I've been playing it since 2006.
>>738634936You're in for a treat (and some really boring parts sadly) VoH as mixed as it is does offer some insanely cool locations. The very start leading up into the jungles, where you get in contact with Mephisto's corruption and how it takes over the wildlife is absolute cinema.My favourite is a big spoiler, so click at your own risk.The last dungeon as you unravel Akarat's Tomb is absolute cinema. You part the sea and fight your way across the ocean floor with two massive walls of water on each side. Enemies will jump out of the waves to ambush you.
Just finished the main campaign of Diablo 4. It had its moments and the cinematics and score were fantastic.The story as a whole was fucking stupid as hell though, and it was made even more offensive by being told via flashbacks.
>Called "Diablo".>Diablo isn't even in it.
>>738641612Oh my gooooood he’s coming next game just waaaaait
>>738637356I don't really think it worked considering (You) have zero input. I found myself frequently disagreeing with my character in his choice of dialogue and questions he would ask. Not to mention he has zero input in the story and is just along for the ride. He's not even a character at that point, I mean hell Donan even makes an unintentional nod to this by describing him as a "weapon". Only dialogue I really liked from the MC was when he's comforting Neyrelle near the end, but in reality that speech should've come from Lothar.Vigo is the most memorable character IMO and he's in it for all of fifteen minutes, if even that.>mfw you kill Iosef and the MC reflects sadly on his perceived betrayalI legitimately could not remember who the fuck this dude was and he didn't even get a "cinematic" death. Baffles me why they added dialogue for the MC to be sad and reflect on his death.
>>738641538How is the story “stupid”? It’s a thin ‘prologue’ story that just takes you to hell and introduces Mephisto.
>>738641612>Called "Halo: Reach">You never set a foot on the Halo Ring>Called "Final Fantasy">There's like 18 more games>Called "Rainbow Six">There's no rainbows and it's 5 people on the team>Called "Silent Hill">It's not silent>Called "Devil may cry">The devil never cries>Called "Dead by Daylight">Lots of people are alive by daylight>Called "Splinter Cell">Game doesn't even play on microbiological scale>Called "Metal Gear Solid">There's no actual clockwork gears>Called "Mass Effect">The mass of characters stays consistent (except for ashleys dumptruck ass)>Called "Ghost of Tsushima">Your character is alive>Called "Uncharted">You mostly follow 400yo maps >Called "Sea of Thieves">Sea is in fact made of saltwater
>>738641910>The devil never criesThey do though. multiple times.In fact I'm pretty sure 5 is the only one where no one actually outright sheds tears.
>>738641483>Diablo 1's Warrior character put Diablo with the soulstone into his forehead to contain him at the end of the game>Diablo took over his body and became the dark wanderer>Act 1 is just filler episode>Diablo went east to free Baal, who was hidden in Act 2 Tal Rasha's tomb. He left Duriel there as a gift for you (that's why he says LOOKING FOR BAAL?)>Then he freed Mephisto (Act 3 under Travincal) >you chase after Diablo and kill them one by one
>>738641967Yeah but not the christian "devil" as accurately described in scripture - even tho he's explicitly named in the title. Kinda false marketing now, innit?
>>738641994no.
>>738641483You’re following the footsteps of the guy from Diablo 1 who has Diablo inside of him. That’s why everywhere you go is having some issue.
>>738641910none of those titles are about a singular entity thoughit'd be like a "Rayman" game without Rayman
>>738641848Well, if we're describing it as a prologue, then it's pretty fucking stupid to have a 20-30 hour prologue and a whole cast of inconsequentials just to introduce a gay wolf. Brevity is the soul of white men, after all.Oh and I already mentioned how the flashback/blood petals were stupid, lazy and ultimately made no sense.I guess I'll reserve judgment for more specific elements relating to Lilith/Mephisto since I haven't played VoH or LoH yet, but those aforementioned is what I really didn't like about the main campaign. Also, and this is a minor nitpick, but the goose chase with Elias and the swamp/tree subplot was really goofy and unnecessary. He was a terrible tertiary antagonist and the fact that it's his story that drags out the longest is downright insulting.
>>738641823>considering you have zero inputThat’s the point, it’s an actual character now.
>>73863545750% of the in-game content is locked behind a paywall. Literally half the map is locked out if you do not own the expansions. This wouldn't be so egregious if they didn't do rotating content, meaning that they completely lock you out from doing farming content by placing the rotating events on locations locked behind invisible walls only accessible by buying the expansion packs. And don't even get me fucking started on the in-game marketing! Everything in this fucking game is tied into the storefront: wanna do the seasonal challenges; tough shit buy the DLC. What's that constantly flashing light in the UI?; oh shit it's the fucking storefront! They just updated the skilltree with new ultimates for all the classes, take a look!; Oh silly, you have to buy the DLC for those, but you can still look at them though!Nu-blizzard can't be saved at this point.
>>738641483I expect a lot of people ignored the story in Diablo just to focus on looting shit. Try replaying ihe series solo and just focus on the story
>>738642073Tbf, Elias is pretty much the main villain of the main campaign. Lilith appears very little in the game and only gets her much needed screentime in LoH.
>>738642018God forbid you're not playing Zelda in the Legend of Zelda.
>>738641848>>738642073I did like the Inarius/Lilith element of the plot though, even if the ending was pretty predictable. I actually wish Inarius had more visibility within the story because if you're like me and you do the Acts in order, then Inarius is absent for like 20 hours before he re-appears for his ending. Kinda felt like he should've been more recurring and had more time to develop. Would've added alot to his ending and Lilith's story too.Instead I get twelve hours of a Sith reject talking like a theater faggot.
>>738642131This post is AI
The final charge into Hell chasing after Lilith, especially when playing as a Paladin is pure kino. It's unironically the best final mission in a Diablo game.
Diablo 1-2 is the most basic bitch generic dark fantasy every made. From 3 onward it's pure trash, they turned angels into fucking blizzardslop protoss/draenei.
>>738642073The story is a middle ground story that’s trying to do the same thing as Diablo II where you’re following in the wake of a demon making her way across the land. Saying “flashback bad” doesn’t mean much. It’s more things like questioning the writing intentions of Lilith and what she considers “her children”. Is the priest her child? Why let him get ripped apart by dogs?The actual underlying narrative of Elias knowing what’s coming and using Lilith as a means to save Sanctuary is more interesting, but none of the story is aggressively “bad”.
i dont like how D4 has like 30 different endgame activities. i guess war plans really simplified it a lot but its still silly
With every one important from D4 dead, I wonder if the next expansion will be a full clean slate with a new cast of characters.
>>738642338I don’t understand endgames in general. >the game is finished but the REAL game starts nowNo thanks. This is like if Halo 1 had an endgame mode where you ran Library with a shotgun you could power up.
>>738642407its just an excuse to keep playing your character
>>738642116Would it be too much to ask you to describe his character? I'm still trying to figure it out, because throughout the story he>Makes no decisions for himself>Has no major portrayal of any emotion whatsoever>Has no discernible motivations for his opinions beyond demon bad, want kill demonHe's got less going on than Venom Snake, and there stories are thematically equivalent in the sense that they're NPCs with no autonomy. The difference is that that was sort of the point of MGSV's story and the character does, in fact, grow out of "his" own legacy and starts to make decisions, becoming a leader not just of his soldiers but of his own fate.In Diablo it's just a nigga who got fed some kool-aid and then was told by ten different people to go nuclear on the Kool-Aid Man and just kinda went with it, cause fuck it. There's no actual reason for the MC to go with or listen to Lothar, and even in the end, when the game is trying to rush the finale into a grave and creating some tension of choice between Lilith and Mephisto and the MC's place in all of this and the fate of Sanctuary, what does he do? Defers to Neyrelle, lmao.My guy is not a character, he's just a tool.And even that's not ever explained, like why he's such an overpowered motherfucker, and he even brings it up in the game lol. He's just canonically an OP Hell Jesus and there's no logic or meaningful explanation for it.I don't know, maybe Mephisto jizzed on him in the cave? Guess I'll have to play the expansions to find out.
>>738642316I'd say the flashbacks are bad, not because I inherently dislike the story structure of using (or in this case, overutilizing) them, but because they don't seem to have any logical reason for being in the game beyond for the writer's convenience, I.E. sloth, which last I checked is a cardinal sin.No but really I just didn't like how whenever the writers decided it was the appropriate time to have the player stop fucking about on a wild goose chase, they'd leave blood petals at the end of a story dungeon. Why are they there? Nobody knows. At first I gave it the benefit of the doubt because it seemed like it would be Lilith baiting the player, but then at the end it doesn't really feel like that at all, and she even gets pissed when you spy on her with the palant- I mean sightless eye.So then... what the fuck are the blood petals? What causes them?It's like a (somehow) worse version of the memories in BotW/TotK, and I thought storytelling could never get more offensive than those shitshows.
>>738642639Nta but you being fed Lilith's blood made you special or something but powerlevel wise the D4 character is probably on the weaker side, where D2 characters>D3>D4
I've changed my mind. I like this genre now. The heart of ARPGs is as much as possible avoiding item lists, build guides, tier lists and just developing a build on your own and pushing it as far as you can. The players that dont do this and are currently rocking WW barb or Ball Lightning Sorc (because they are busted) you are squirrels, you're hamsters. You dont have the drive to sit in the training room and figure out the math side of your build.
>>738642639You can’t give the MC too much autonomy, else players don’t resonate with their decisions. This issue though is sort of a meta-narrative paradox through the eyes of a player. You can stop at any point, in any game or real life and ask, “wait, why the fuck am I doing this I’m not doing this anymore”. This was the start of the whole game over meta narrative that Diablo sort of started and Demons Souls ran with.So it’s you that has to make the decision to peruse Lilith, even though it’s not really a decision at all in-game. In the end, the narrative hook is her blood inside of you. Else your character would have just been Lorath.
>>738642952Online builds ruin games. I ruined my PoE2 playthrough down into spamming ice shotgun blasts and taking out every idiot on screen in seconds for 40 hours, whereas in D4 I actually read through new equipment and changed entire skill trees based on one buff.
>>738642843They’re not bad, but it’s more a question of camera, perspective and how to frame dark, emotional environmental storytelling in an isometric RPG. Let’s take the first flashback with Lilith and Elias in the church. A typical environmental frame of that without the flashback is to have the player walk into the church and see everyone dead, and that’s it. It’s too difficult to infer anything to the player when you have these sort of character motivations like Elias and Lilith have.It’s not even a bash on anyone or the game, but how would a game get across the ideal of Lilith and how she views sanctuary in a pure gameplay sense?Lord of Hatred actually does this, and so does D4 base right at the end, but you’re right, the flashback is simply there for Blizzards cinematic team to do something.
>>738643015I don't think that's true, because that's where the player can come in, to dictate that autonomy. It also creates drama when characters differ in opinion. This is portrayed pretty poorly among the cast of actual characters, but virtually never at all from the MC, because he has no opinions, and isn't a character.The funniest part about this discussion is the MC does actually have strong opinions in some sidequests, and you can trigger dialogue by inquiring about certain things. Problem is because the game is written like an MMO, every NPC just laughs it off and tells you to fuck off and your character never questions anything further.Regarding your "meta-narrative" I think you're confusing roleplaying and decision-making with character. Choosing to take one path or the other is one element of writing an RPG, but when it comes to just writing a character, it's more about the character simply asking questions and being able to agree or disagree, whether it changes the story or not.I.E. when Lothar or Prava or any other major "faction" leader is rambling on some nonsense, the player should have a dialogue not just to inquire for further information, but to REACT to the information, in whichever way they prefer.The overarching issue with Diablo 4's MC is, regardless of the player having no option to agree or disagree with any opinions, the MC in general has no dialogue where he reacts to anything. At all. He has no notable reactions or opinions on anything that occurs in the game.The only thing we know about The Wanderer is that he doesn't like blood petal spice in his stew and wants to murder the lot of Hell because of it. That's it.The Wanderer has less character than Fallout 4's Sole Survivor.
>>738634693>giving a single cent to nuBlizzardahahahahaha kill yourself
did they add diablo yet?
I don't understand this asking for diablo. Nobody cared about him as a boss or character in d2 or d3 either. Meanwhile they added Duriel because he was such a fan favorite from D2.
>>738643547>Nobody cared about him as a boss or character in d2 or d3 eitherAre you a zoomer trying to rewrite history? People liked him in D2 and the first Diablo kill in D3 was extremely hyped too.
>>738643673D2 was my childhood. And no I don't remember people talking about Diablo himself. As for D3 people just made fun of him being a tranny and being one of the worst parts of the game who acts like a jealous ex who won't stop announcing his plans to you. Same with Azmodan.
>>738643425ARPGs have this problem. Diablo threw away the dialogue of Fallout and Baldurs Gate to focus on clicking on goblins. Now, even if you add dialogue in, it still has to result in spinning around 40 enemies on screen. >>738641079That’s why this scene works so well, it finally bridges that gap between choice and action combat.
>>738643673Name one thing Diablo did
blizzard shills fucking suck
>>738643276For the record, I'm fine with cinematics. Don't care about cutscenes or anything like that.I just don't like the way the story is told with the blood petals is all. But yeah, it's like the end of the main campaign, it's every character coming together and just talking. Their motivations are a little shakey (I have no idea why Mephisto or Lilith areinterested in The Wanderer), but they're given the context to talk, so they talk.That first cinematic in Nevesk is great but yeah it makes no sense. All it does is spoil Lilith by revealing her too early and let Lorath know there's a pale man. Like, because without knowing there was a pale man, he would've never gone off to search for more information and joined the effort against Lilith. What the fuck?And it only gets more nonsensical from there. Dead end, random pool of petals, The Wanderer sees a macguffin, oh boy the chase continues. What a lazy way of telling a story holy crap.
I want to have sex with my human male rogue
>>738643815>And no I don't remember people talking about Diablo himself>>738643885>Name one thing Diablo didAre you guys joking or what? He was literally the big bad evil that created The Dark Wanderer by corrupting the champion from Diablo 1. The Dark Wanderer then walks the earth and frees Mephisto and Baal. You guys never watched the cinematics, read any of the lore, or talked to your friends/people about The Dark Wanderer that you saw walking around in the game?
>>738644097Anon what happened in the game, but I know that the community also didn't really give a damn about diablo as a character or a boss. He wasn't very interesting compared to Baal.
>>738644071Whoever voices male rogue, it’s so good that it elevates the story. Maybe I only like D4’s story because I played it as male rogue. Also nigga u gay
>>738644135>He wasn't very interesting compared to Baal.You didn't play the game at release, clearly. Baal wasn't added until an entire year after D2 released, with LoD.
>>738635295The destruction of a franchise in one image.
Kinda seemed like the game should've had (You) and Lorath directly aligned and working with the Citadel/Inarius as frenemies in pursuit of Lilith until the very end.
>>738644097Yes but what did Diablo doNot the dark wanderer, DiabloDe ab lo
>>738644210I didn't but that's besides the point. We aren't talking about release D2 here are we? Likewise nobody cares about diablo in d3 either because Malthael is the better boss.
>>738637356what? you don't make choices in diablo 4, its a prebuilt character with your name on it
How the fuck do I unlock Torment? What the fuck is Artificer's Tier? This game is too fucking easy I want to get my nutsack tortured.
>>738644241Wrong, that’s a cherry picked image. The actual cutscene is more cause for concern if we’re talking about Satanic wokeisms in games. >Is that a FOID SHOWING HER TEETH?>Never mind that ritual sacrifice scene though
>>738644163the VA for the classes is kind of a waste because if youre doing the campaign youre setting yourself behind the current FOMO season
>>738644312>We aren't talking about release D2 here are we?Well, for an entire year Diablo was literally the big bad endgame boss. Of course that became diminished when they added Baal with LoD a year later.
>>738644350I don't even know what the issue with it is. It's a half second look into absolute body horror on Mephisto torturing Neyrelle mentally while also showing that she is literally leaking his corruption from the soulstone.
>>738644407Were the ubers added late? I do remember Uber Diablo which afaik was the strongest boss in the game.
>>738644297The Dark Wanderer is Diablo, because Diablo possesses him and controls him. Thanks for admitting that you didn't even play the game or know about any of the lore. Moron.
>>738644405>playing for the seasonNTA but I was born in '96 my man, fuck this seasonal shit. Don't get me wrong, I'll take it and I'll play into it for the multiplayer experience, but I'm still playing campaigns and exploring the world solo with no fast travel.
Should I even follow the story in this game? I stopped reading anything three hours in after every dialogue turned out to be the driest shit imaginable and all the side quests were just typical hack n slash fetch duties
Just finished the campaign in Diablo IV and honestly I think people were way too hard on the story.Lilith is probably the best villain Blizzard has written in years because she actually has understandable motivations instead of just “evil demon wants world domination.” The cutscenes were insanely good, the atmosphere felt dark again like old Diablo, and the whole journey across Sanctuary actually felt hopeless and oppressive in a good way.Act 6 especially was peak. The descent into Hell looked incredible and the music/art direction carried hard. Donan, Lorath, Neyrelle — all way more memorable than most ARPG side characters usually are.Also credit where it’s due: the game nails that feeling of being a tiny survivor in a world that’s already lost. The church politics, the cults, the miserable villages — it all sells the setting perfectly.Gameplay complaints are fair, but story-wise this is easily one of Blizzard’s strongest campaigns in years. Feels like they actually cared about the lore again instead of turning everything into Marvel dialogue.
>>738644463Ubers were added in LoD. I think patch 1.10 or 1.11.
>>738644485Diablo 4s story is incredible if you followed the story from Diablo 1. Judging by what you just said, I'll take that as a no.
>>738644507Gameplay during the base game sucks because they looked the gameplay to expert. Once you unlock Torment levels it's almost as good as Diablo 3
>>738644350What a retarded strawman.
>>738644435People are actual mindbroken if they think Diablo 4 is woke. More deranged than people with Trump Derangement Syndrome
>>738644435>I don't even know what the issue with it isIt's just somewhat fits into one of those typical "I am woman, hear me roar" moments that SJW devs attempted to force really hard like a handful of years ago. There was a meme pic with a bunch of female protagonists that all did that around the same time because all the devs in California decided that it was the cool thing to do for "female empowerment".
>>738644297Are you retarded? Genuine question
>>738644534I did follow it but the first three hours of Diablo 4 aren't captivating at allAre you implying that I should follow the main quests or are the fetchy side quests actually worth paying attention to?
>>738634693(pic not related)Lord of Hatred is an actual fucking diablo expansion howerver. Vessel of Hatred was liquid dog shit. Fuck Neyrelle.
>>738644670She's screaming because she's being tormented by Mephisto. What the fuck does that have to do with "I am woman, hear me roar"? >>738644683Do you know the story of Diablo 1-3?
>>738644629Then again, it’s Blizzard and they just can’t help putting they/them into the script What’s worse it it’s just to cut back on cutscene scripting logic and recording.
>>738644629D4 has some woke shit like the black female monk, Neyrelle both being a Mary Sue and fucking retarded at the same time, Lilith being "misunderstood", the fat druids, gender-neutral pronouns being used sometimes, no Diablo added because "Lilith needs to shine", etc.Overall it's not THAT woke but it definitely still has some woke in it.
>>738644746I do up to the end of vanilla D3. I don't know anything about the expansions
>>738641910theres an onlyfans whore whos obsessed with dead by daylight and for no reason other than that, i cant stand the fuckin game, thanks for listening everyone
>>738644485>i havent played the game at all and im basying my opinion of some shitty AI synopsis of diablo 3 from 2017, please make fun of meDamn dude
>>738644906But I've played the game between 5 and 10 hours though. I bought it at fucking full price on day one, trusting a friend that ended up dropping it before me
>>738644330Once you beat the base campaign and unlock Season rank 3 (just gotta clear a capstone dungeon), you unlock The Pit (in Cerrigar). You then have to clear certain levels of the pit to unlock the torment levels. I just cleared base campaign and unlocked Torment V. It's fucking brutal
>>738644846Cocksucker a blank monk does not bug me in a fucking world where i can shit lightining out of my taint, fuck off with this shit dude, my god im fucking tired. Bitching about blacks in Kingdom Come? Fuck yea, magical land of bullshit where literal angels and wizards roam? Fuck off.
>>738644846Not just a black female monk but a black female russian monk. It gets weirder when she's the only black woman in all of Kyovashad.
>>738644932Alright then youre under 25 with the attention span of a fruit fly, so fuck off either way and let us enjoy the best thing Diablo has done in 20 over 20 fuckin years. Thanks. Go play Path of Exile and zoomy zoom zoom no story cant read gotta goooooo
>>738644945Pic related.
Where are angels, why almost half of the population pray to demons, why demon cultist od mephisto were called hand of akarat, why your character did not tried to uncover akarat, why when he started doing demon shit nobody tried to kill him or even ask questions when amazons were trained to fight with demons from childhood. Story is shit, and you love shit or you are shitty shill. 2/10 made me reply
>>738644846>D4 has some woke shit like the black female monkCan you faggots shut the fuck up already with black people = woke, jesus christ. And Lilith has always been painted as a sympathetic character.
Is there a Diablo Bane meme
What happened to rogue and mage after D1? They are all canon as far as i know.
>>738644670It's not just the female empowerment. It's that the super close up of a woman's face as she screams is just overused in every context. Is there a woman who the story focuses on? There will be a close up of her face and she will be screaming for some reason. Maybe it is in rage. Maybe it is in pain. Maybe it is in fear. But it will be a close up, she will be screaming, and she will be either looking directly at the camera or slightly off to an angle.It doesn't matter that she was being tortured. It is something that appears in every single video game with a female character that the story centers around. Every single one. And it is tiring.
>>738645050Demons place are under my boot, why my character never tried to contact with angels. Mephisto destroyed pact with angels so there should be answer from them
>>738645092Rogue becomes Blood Raven, and Sorcerer is the Dark Summoner inside the Arcane Sanctuary
>>738645030Angels stopped giving a shit about humans since D2. Inarius was only using the church to kill Lilith. Akarat was jesus analogue of the Zakarum faith and Mephisto possessed his body at the end of VoH, tal rasha style. The hands of Akarat know that Akarat is Mephisto but they are using miracles and and so to convert the guillible masses into joining Mephisto. You don't thwart Mephisto publicly because you don't have the means kill him off permanently yet. Even if you killed him and broke his soulstone he will still respawn in Hell
>>738645050>Can you faggots shut the fuck up already with black people = woke, jesus christ.It's not just the fact that she's black. It's more about how it doesn't even fit into the world writing at all. This guy understands >>738644964>And Lilith has always been painted as a sympathetic character.You aren't meant to sympathize with her. She's a morally grey antagonist in D4. She is still fully willing to sacrifice any amount of humans to aid herself in the Angels vs Demons fight.
>>738645106Well Tyrael does return in LoH and he is Heaven's unofficial ambassador to Sanctuary.
>>738644973I've played game that require a lot more attention span than any HNS. I simply played the start of the game, the story was shit, why would I continue paying attention to it? This shit ain't planescape or Krondor. I was merely asking if it somehow improved later on.
>>738645208But in diablo 3 they get almost destroyed because they did not care about humans. Demons even in his body should not make miracle, humans talking about demons being same as angels are fucked up. We could get rid od mephisto, get weapon ready and kill him without problem next time. Why your character let him corrupt nation? Its all fucking dumb
>>738645242Tyrael is nigger not angel he left his angel form in 3 he just get his angel weapon.
>>738645267Ok? Diablos story clearly isn't for you. Go play something else
>>738645646So it doesn't get better?
>>738645637In 3, they left all Sanctuary matters to Tyrael since Imperius became even more racist towards mankind.
>>738645732Nah
>>738645148are those low level demons or something or they just became schizos
So, are we betting that Blizzard is going to announce at Blizzcon that they will release a 3rd expansion for D4, or have they gotten so bold that they're just going to announce Diablo 5 already?
>>738645897Depends but I'm still betting on a new expansion. However LoH felt very final so I also won't be surprised if they just announce D5 and start clean.
>>738645237So what's your complain about Lilith? What does "misunderstood" mean, and how does it make her woke?
I didn't like a single class in this game. Hard to have fun when the gameplay isn't
>>738645949D5 would have be a whole new engine and base game wouldn’t it?Then again, as good as LoH is, the map is very small and campaign short, meaning they were probably working on something else alongside it. VoH came out in a year and it’s the same size.
>>738646039OP is about story.
>>738646068Which is why I am expecting a new expansion. If you look at the map, they added khnaduras and even Xiansai but it's non descript for now. It could either be just for flavor or they're placeholders for the next expansion.
>>738645961My complaint is that in D4 she's a morally grey antagonist. But because Blizzard wasn't happy enough with that, they have now attempted to rewrite her into being more of a straight up good ally that sacrifices herself for our sake, and they show us her memories and try to make us feel bad for her and make us understand her, despite her being a fucking demon that would sacrifice all of humanity at the end of the day, if push came to shove. This is basically the whole Sylvanas retcon garbage thing all over again, although slightly less offensive because at least Lilith didn't go from good -> bad -> good, since she was already morally grey initially.
>>738646068>D5 would have be a whole new engine and base game wouldn’t it?Nah, they'll just repurpose the D4 engine and keep going. They have mentioned countless times how they want to be able to pump out more expansions and games in a much more timely manner these days. They basically want a full new release of something every 1-2 years.
Does anyone play Diablo Immortal? I like D4, but it’s always in the back of my mind that,>this element could have been done or is being done better in immortal
>>738646175Nta but in LoH it still shows that she is still very much selfish and only wants to get back at Mephisto, and even almost nearly kills you doing it but in the end she realizes you were the child she never had and does one final good thing in her miserable life, even if it mean imprisoning her again in the void. It's also because she really wasn't fleshed enough in the campaign to leave a negative impression on her, the mass murder aside which honestly everyone seems to be doing regardless.
>>738646236Doesn’t announcing D5 just put a stop on any hype for anything ongoing in D4?I feel like Diablo releases are so monumental, that pumping out new games every few years will lead to diminished sales, but what do I know. That idea only exists because hm of how long it took to get D3 out the door.
>>738646502D3 took so long because they basically scrapped the original d3 game around 2008 and began fron scratch. Afaik, D4 almost suffered the same, since it was originally supposed to be a soulslike. In sense similar to what PoE2 also tried to be initially. At the very least D4 is very much still grimdark where it matters.
>>738646502>Doesn’t announcing D5 just put a stop on any hype for anything ongoing in D4?Probably, but I think Blizzard/Microsoft might just not even care if they have a "we have already extracted all the juice from D4 now" point of view. There might also be a scenario where they simultaneously announce a final D4 expansion and D5.
>>738646685I think it depends if they see diminishing returns. If LoH brought new and old players back, then they will still greenlight it especially when the expansions almost cost like 40 dollars.
>>738634693The story is woke in the truest sense of the word.>church evil>except the single black dad who just wants to see his son grow up>all white characters are retarded or evil>all heroes are some flavor of brown>demons are just doing their actions by their nature they arent evilIf by underrated you mean a word for word representation of all that is wrong with SJW ideology then sure I guess you are right.
>>738635457>Giving money to BlizzardHow buckbroken are you?
If you want a game for the story with an ARPG underneath it. Play dragonkin the banished. D4 is complete and utter shit.
What's the point of angels n shieet if they get sodomized instantly by everyone lole.
>>738646502>>738646604>>738646685Why did Diablo 3 get so much hate again?
>>738647049That is why they leave everyone else alone and just want to stay in heaven.
>>738647102Cartoony aesthetics and everyone quipping like a marvel character.
>>738647102Shitty launch (first online DRM, nobody could play day 1), real money auction house, cartoony style with cartoony villains, terrible class balance, to name but a few
>>738642131That sounds so awful and dehumanising. That flashing button trick reminds me how Freud's nephew saw humans as cattle to be manipulated by psychiatric science. Jewish ceos were the real demons all along.
>>738645848was it really necessary for lilith, the sympathetic demon we are meant to feel for in Lord of Hatred, to use Donan's son as Astaroth's host?
>>738647232Nobody could play for the first 3 weeks*
Did they ever explain what happened to the nephalim?
>>738645949it's not like they aren't making money from selling expansions for the same price as full gamesI'd wager they rather cut costs and just keep adding more shit to D4 rather than make a new gamehowever if they do >>738646236 they will bad rep for fleecing their customers even harder, as that will mean they will make each Diablo game focused on each Great Evil (D4 was about Mephisto, D5 will be Baal, D6 would be Diablo)
>>738647527umm just forget about it mkay
>>738647527they probably stayed on the western continent where tyrael was hanging out until LoHwe are likely getting an explanation wtf they were doing there in the next D4 seasons, but fuck knows
>>738647527They are called the Firstborn now. You meet ghosts of them in LoH.
>>738634693I wouldn't mind playing some Diablo again, but I also can't trust modern Blizzard anymore
It was right for Lilith to not give a shit about individuals to prioritize saving the whole when most of humanity is so dumb they would drown themselves because Asian Jesus told them to
>>738648163technically the main reason mephisto could possess akarat's body was because lilith let elias form a cult around her that mephisto was manipulating from the moment it was created (which gave him enough manpower to influence the events of D4)if she wasnt summoned back and hadnt let her followers turn her into a messiah akarat would not have been defiled
>>738648163Lilith should die from my hand, and i should get possibility to help inarius fuck this demon bitch
>>738646836It’s meant to be Berserk. >Church is evil>demons are evil>prophets become corruptedIt’s meant to be you and your gang against the entire world. Actually, Diablo 4 probably should have a romance in it. It needs a few crazy rage scenes that are character driven and not just “bro I gotta smack these demons”
>>738647527you go into Nephalim sites, but for the culture they are around at, they refer to them as the Firstborn. As for the player characters, no mention and most likely intentionally left vague
>>738647102World of Warcraft graphics. That’s it.
>>738646836>church evileveryone is evil. That kinda the point of a grimdark setting>except the single black dad who just wants to see his son grow upgood people exist to be crushed by the dark reality of the setting>all white characters are retarded or evileveryone is either retarded or evil. See the old black guy in VoH, the asian chick or the Amazon queen>all heroes are some flavor of brownLorath?>demons are just doing their actions by their nature they arent evilholy mother of asspull
I liked when you ask Tyrael about why angels won't help and he just says that everything goes to shit for them whenever they help so they are just going to ignore you and hope you die
>>738648361I mean LoH literally climaxes with a goddamn Eclipse.
>>738648528i mean, the last time angels tried to "help", Malthael wiped out half of humanity and freed all the evils by destroying the black soulstone, so.... he is correct
>>738634693did they have cigars in the not-middle ages?
>>738648654It wasnt angels only one rogue angel also he was right
>>738634693why are there cigars in a fantasy game
>>738648959The game also has robots and other magitech stuff. Why would a cigar be weird? It's not a cigarette which implies industrialization at least.
>>738648997are there any characters that smoke cigars in diablo or is it just urivar
>>738634693I hated the story. I don't know why blizzdrones pretend it was something never seen before in these games. It was boring and unfocused, it loved to waste your time on some bullshit and shat all over previous established lore because MUH CHRISTIANITY IS LE BAD, MUH LE ANGELS ARE AS BAD AS LE DEMONS YOU SEE, fucking bullshitYou also have to buy not one but two fucking DLCs just to experinece it in full.The only positive thing in the story was Lorath (although they made him dumb in the last DLC). Cool character and amazing voice actor. But that's it.
>>738634693>exhaling smoke>very clearly inhalingop really likes penises
>>738649249>You also have to buy not one but two fucking DLCs just to experinece it in full.not like i support actiblizzard's jewish practices but when you buy lord of hatred you get vessel for free
>>738634693>Diablo 4's medieval broken society has access to vape technology. Kek
>>738648956if your plan involves my death, it doesnt matter how right you are, im still going to kill you
>>738649094I mean I guess they are right next to Khurast which is aztec land and those guys historically developed cigars because the plants grew there.
>>738649553H-hayai…!
>>738649094It's not a cigar it's a charred piece of wood since the knights are obsessed with burning people alive.
>>738645208Yeah I dont like that whole "killing a prime evil does nothing" complaint. Deckard and Tyrael congratulate you for killing prime evils, and they dont respawn for hundreds of years. What, is that not enough time to prepare a new generation of Horadrim?
>>738649557>I mean I guessim not asking whether its feasable that someone could smoke cigars in the setting anon, im asking if we there were any other characters smoking tobacco in the setting>>738649648thats a bit retarded, isn't it>we need to make our side antagonist cooler>how about we make him smoke a cigar>do we have cigars in diablo>who cares, make it a piece of wood insteaddangerhair tumblrite tier character writing
>>738649648NTA, but I actually didn't know what the fuck he was smoking. It literally looked like a vape at first, but that wouldn't make sense given the setting, so then I thought it was a cigar. It's kinda neat he's just smoking a charred piece of wood like a deranged lunatic.
>>738649678I guess it finally dawned for people to think long term. The process would have worked fine if not for Tyrael and Lorath not fucking up the revival of the Horadrin. It was probably like 60 years since Diablo died in Diablo 3 and they couldn't find another person to join the Horadrim until Neyrelle and well she's dead and so is he, so the order's gone now.
>>738634693>DiabloYes>Diablo 4lol no. Fuck you casualfags ruining gaming wotj your slop tastes
>>738645878Blood Raven was mutating into a fairly dangerous demon. Dark Summoner was a schizo though, yeah.
>>738648398There was a ton of things wrong with D3. Cartoony graphics was just one of them.>Servers were fucked for 2-3 weeks on release and even when they started working somewhat normally, there were still random disconnects for like a month straight>No offline play>RMAH>Drops rates "balanced" around trying to force you to use RMAH as much as possible>The meta for most people literally became to equip gold find gear, repeatedly run through urns and vases to get gold, then buy gear through RMAH>Meh itemization except for legendaries, which were notoriously hard to get>Characters were written like either cartoon heroes or cartoon villains. No nuances>Difficulty balance was insane and completely untested, to the point that Act 2 Inferno and beyond felt like you were playing a bullet hell game with everything that would oneshot>Class balance was non-existent due to the point above. Ranged was basically doing 2x or 3x damage due to not having to constantly bob and weave in and out of melee range and between all the oneshot projectiles and attacks>Constant use of "evil guy is calling you from his cellphone to talk directly to you">Promised big focus on arena PvP but then just scrapped the whole thing>No allocatable stats made it feel like a step back from D2>Killed off Deckard Cain>Leah was annoying 24/7>Soundtrack felt very meh compared to D2These are just off the top of my head. I'm probably forgetting another handful of things.
>>738649891>Constant use of "evil guy is calling you from his cellphone to talk directly to you"This was definitely the worst part, almost to the point that Azmodan and Diablo turned the game into a sitcom with how borderline parody it was. D3 really completely ruined the word terror for me because Diablo kept hamming it up in every single sentence.
Cannot be fucked with the story in these games, barely made it through LOH and i only did so for the horadric cube and war plans, and now i can skip the campaign with every class.Now i can finally do what i really want, grinding the same boss 50 times for an ancestral unique (not joking)
>>738649773Lol i just looked it up, 50 years between D3 and D4. So the people dont rally and have some anti-demon alliance. They just let a 3 story tall greater demon rape the fuck out of them every 50 years. Thats ridiculous. I thought D4 takes place 200+ later.
>>738644507Ai slope message.
>>738634693isn't this the guy who stabbed the mc and killed them? something that armies of demons couldn't achieve. Diablo 4 writers have no fucking clue how to write a videogame.
>>738637914they outsource the shilling to third world countries like india, its not worth it for someone living in 2nd or 1st world
>>738650110a 50 year gap and half of humanity being wiped out by Mathael which causes a bunch of civil war shit.
>>738650212It was a stab in a back. It happens all the time in media. You later krump him easily when you finally fight him.
>>738634693>Only came back because their OC Donutsteel Neyrelle didn't work at all >Instantly fixed the story I wonder why is that.
>>738649991Yeah, I don't know what the fuck they were thinking with that.>enter stronghold>immediate pop-up from Azmodan going "Heheheh, I am big evil and you have entered my lair">progress for a few minutes>Azmodan calls you again going "Ohhhh, I see my minions are not stopping you. Don't worry, I will stop you myself heheheheh">progress for a few minutes>Azmodan calls saying "You imbecile, you have fallen right into my trap! Hahahaha!">progress further for a minute>Azmodan calls saying "Ahhh, you should be VERY afraid because I am RIGHT behind the door you will arrive at in a few minutes. I will HURT you because I am SO EVIL, hehehehe">progress further and enter door>Azmodan calls you again and says some fucking stupid shit even though you're about to be right in front of him in less than 45 secondsSo insanely stupid. It's baffling that the entire dev team didn't speak up about how dumb it was.
>>738649828Diablo 1 ie nearly a mobile/gacha game from 1996
Did Lilith and Inarius have sex or did they just go into the baby making pool and summon up some babies?
>>738650467tyrael should've died and not lorathno offense to tyrael, he's a good nigga
>>738650587You can get pregnant through foot jobs?
>>738650638Lorath is fraile and outlived his usefulness. Tyrael has the privilege of being a fallen angel, he could carry the story by himself for another game.
>>738650587They fucked and made rathma, and i think he was the blueprint for the rest of humanity
Any recs for Diablo's story summary on YouTube? The games aren't for me, trust me, I tried getting into back in the day, but I know for a fact that Blizzard seems make a wee bit effort in making interesting storylines/characters, and I would like to follow the state of the story so far. I'm finding some lore videos on Lord of Hatred, but I think jumping straight into that is going to leave me confused. What I know: In D1 you defeat the big bad, but his souls ends up infecting the protagonist, and in D2 you defeat the hero of D1, but the same thing happens again. Is this correct?
>>738650759But who made love to Mephistopheles
>>738650923Just go buy Diablo 4. It’s three expansions for one. By the time that YouTube video is done, the game will be over.
>>738650923This one is good because it's very thorough and it also shows cutscenes and moments from the games - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikyD78rYHN0Though keep in mind that it's almost 3 years old, so it's missing some D4 stuff from the 2 expansions that have released since then.I haven't watched this one, I just skimmed through it, but it also seems good if you want something shorter and has stuff from the D4 expansions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH4jVAHe7-M
>>738651245>Just go buy Diablo 4Like I said, the game is not really for me...If I ever play it, it would have to be on easy baby mode because I’m only interested in the story.
>>738651339lmao I'm watching that second one you posted. 4 hours is a bit too much for me lolThanks, anon
>>738651405It’s just a story game. It’s not an MMO or difficult, you literally can just hold down one button and spin around the screen on easy mode. It’s stuff like Poe2 that gets into Sekiro/Wukong territory with the difficulty. Otherwise, just go watch Diablo 4 the movie on YouTube. Then you can go back to the others.
>>738651405>>738651641Also, I know there’s a perceived bias because it’s a Diablo thread, but the game’s a strong recommendation. And I don’t like western RPGs, I play weeb shit like Chrono Cross and Xenogears and Devil May Cry, and I don’t like any of Blizzards other games.So for someone like me to recommend Diablo 4, the game’s got something going on.
>>738650587They didn't. Basically they did the Genesis thing and create man from clay. However later, Inarius felt ashamed of his creation and according to Lilith tried to drown them, probably a reference to the biblical great flood. This caused lilith and inarius to fight and why they still hate each other to this day.
>add a character smoking>add a character drinking>add a character swearing>add a character saying fuckSo this is the power of "adult kino stories", now I understand why the boys and invincible are so popular.
>>738651947Also I don't ever recall Lilith mention any other lovers in the story, what with her always being full of hate all of the time, which becomes extra funny in LoH where they unironically try to make her a mommy waifu and confess that she has feelings for you.
>>738652000characters smoking and wearing leather jackets and fucking bimbos have always been seen as a cool thing, something that Terminator 2 parodied and at the same time played straight.
So between Diable, Mephisto and Baal, which one is smarter?
>>738652372Supposedly Baal. Diablo is the strongest. Mephisto is the oldest but I don't really know what his special trait was.
>>738652372Mephisto is widely regarded as the most intelligent and cunning of the Three Brothers
Kinda weird that the only one angel that have demon lord equivalent. Valor vs Terror
>>738651912Fair enough. It seems Blizzard gets something right here and there.
>>738651912This game his honestly really carried by the cinematics. It's what got me to actually to trudge through the campaign despite me not liking the open world map.
>>738652372Mephisto is technically the smartest because he is able to manipulate anyone and anything. Diablo is most savvy when it comes to planning and scheming, and he has no real fear so he's never scared of anything. Baal is the most powerful one in terms of pure destruction and how much havoc he can wreck due to his ruthless nature.So in the end it really just depends on what situation is at hand.
>>738652372Memphisto is the only smart one but he's also obsessed with dramatic irony and cant just get things done normally which always fucks him over. He cant just kill all of humanity he has to kill them by leading them like sheep to kill themselves in the pool that created them. Thats why his herald is a wolf. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Baal is destruction he just builds and army and destroys. Diablo is terror he corrupts through fear. Mephisto is hatred he manipulates people into turning against eachother
>>738652946What's the difference between being the smartest and being savvy? I think the former presumes the latter. I feel you are describing Diablo as a brute with some sense and Baal as the embodiment of destruction.
>>738653202I would say Diablo is oppotunistic. He doesn't make long term plan but he can regconize opportunity when it present itself to him. Having a daughter is great because he can get a backup body in case shit happen.
>Diablo is frequently cited as the most dangerous overall because he is not overly specialized; he is stronger than Mephisto and smarter than Baal, allowing him to unite the lesser evils and dominate both Heaven and Sanctuary through a combination of terror, fear, and strategic manipulation.
>>738653378I thought so too. Honestly it always miffed me that in Diablo 2, Baal was the final boss of the game, at least back when I was a kid and wasn't exposed or aware of literary tropes.
>>738647394>Jewish ceos were the real demons all along.You don't even have to actively notice anymore, it's all out on display.
>>738653439it makes sense, though. Mephisto being the weakest going toe-to-toe, then Diablo, then Baal. Goes in order of most dangerous in combat, which is what you're doing in Diablo 2 after all the scheming has failed (the brothers did win in the end though, with the Worldstones destruction).
>>738653637I mean did they win? Like they don't want to destroy the worldstone, they want to claim it for themselves. It been destroy don't really work in their favor in anyway.
>>738652115This is how women literally think
>>738654020yeah. She does the thing where she says she's turned on because you butchered her last time.
>>738653838Yeah, I think they failed. They wanted to enslave the nephalem with the corruption of the stone.
>>738652916>open world mapI never really got this comparison, or marketing, because the map is laid out like a FFXIV 1.0 map. It’s like a spaghetti map instead of something actually open.
>>738652916For me, what got me into it was the voice acting and combat. I’ve never played a game before where you have actual build variety by having skill slot limitations, and reworking your entire skill tree based on slight changes to gear.To the voice acting, Lorath and the Wanderer carry the entire thing. They’re good enough to sell the most mediocre moments.
Should i buy 4 or buy 2?
>>738654358if you haven't played 2 yet, buy 2.
>>738654692I played 2 15 years ago, never finish it.
>>7386543584. You don’t have the Nostalgia for 2 so you’ll find the combat overly simple, even if the atmosphere is good. It’s like asking whether to start with Baldurs Gate 3 or 1.
>>738634693>Blizzard>storyThe jokes write themselves. Next you'll talk about Rockstar stories.
>>738654723then I don't know. 4 does a lot of memberberry nostalgia for d2 fans
>>7386543582 for sure. if you get bored of two, theres a really nice custom server PD2 for diablo 2. really nice community, trading and updated game, but its only for true d2 enjoyers since it has the old graphics. new season is pretty recent.
>>738654358I grew up with 2, but if you didn't yet have played any modern ARPG like PoE or D3, 2 is going to feel lacking. It has so many flaws and archaic design decisions most likely you will either get bored or frustrated and quit. Alternatively you can just play modded D2 (Project Diablo 2) which rebalances the game so every class is viable and you aren't slogging through it if you pick a meme class like Barbarian.
>>738655213I played a lot of modern ARPG actually, like Grim Dawn and Wolcen. I kinda sick of how overly complicated some modern ARPG are (Grim Dawn items description is so fucking long)
>>738655460Isn't Wolcen the guy who translated FF6?
>>738655460I wouldn't say D2 is complicated, but rather arcane. There's a lot multipliers and keywords and calculations that are never really explained in-game so you end wikidiving just like any other modern ARPG to figure out how to build correctly just to beat nightmare.
>>738655717Wasn't there are really fucky calculation that screwed over characters dependent on attack rating and that block chance was actually really shit because it can cause you to get stunlocked?
>>738655891I don't know about that but I remember I got stuck against Duriel as a Paladin. My guy got freeze and got stunlock because the game keep playing the block animation whenever Duriel hit. Neither can kill the other.
>>738655891Not sure about that, but you absolutely can get stunlocked to death in this game. That's why FHR and block chance become such sought after stats (for melee characters) in the end game and people will good HRs for it.
Diablo 4 is fun and the best ARPG availablePoE contrarians, blizzard antis, poorfag thirdies and delusional diablo2 boomers cannot refute this, there is a reason all their "arguments" are just incoherent screams
>>738641910this is retardest comeback yet for this day
>>738634693There is a certain type of anon that grew up without a father that sees any man smoke a cigar and falls a little in love with them.
>>738657047this is retardest statement of this day
>>738657259Double dumbass on you!
>>738653202>>738653365>>738653378Diablo is l33t-h4x because of his corruption and terror aspect which makes him the hardest to deal with. The other two can be outsmarted, dodged or countered in some way.
>open thread>read a bunch of posts>it's just a shill and some kids shitting into the thread to keep it pushed to the top>300 repliesimpressive. another good example on why to never give a single cent to blizzard. absolute retardation.
>>738642131They can’t be saved, but they don’t really need to be.Blizz's modern fans are the pinnacle of consumer cattle.
>>738660618>they're not shilling PoO, so I'm angry
>>738634982>was cute
>>738659851When diablo finally comes out, they will probably lean hard into the horror part hard. One thing about Mephisto so far is that besides using religion so far to spread his Hatred, every few if any characters actually seem to fear him if at all, despite being a Prime Evil.
>>738641910bam, nigga just got served!
>>738638542>they killed off literally every character they introduced.Good. They all sucked except maybe lorath.Crazy how Diablo 3 ended up being a better game story wise and that was pretty bad for its time too.
>>738634693they are just repeating diablo 3 but with muh kerrigan redemption for lilith
>>738663649Lilith did literally nothing wrong.She would need to be a villain in the first place to require redemption.
>>738634693It honest to god does not, from someone who paid attention to the story in base game and VoH.
>>738635093d4 is cool in the same way labubus are. d3 was the most boring shit i've ever played. i don't remember anything about it.>>738635242that's about as much value as your overpriced garbage provides.
>>738634751diablo threads are /V/-core
>>738634693Picrel ugly why d2 looks much better
>>738663764>d3 was the most boring shit i've ever played. i don't remember anything about it.tl;dr everything was a ruse all along, someone followed you in Diablo 2 and secretly captured the souls of all the evils you killed to mix them all into a power rangers combined super evil that you have to kill nowit had extremely bad story
>>738635457I don't think there are many people who dislike D4 for ideological reasons, it's more because the game looks, presents and plays like a Chinese F2P game.
>>738663804nah. it's shill spam/ragebait.blizz is disgusting.
>>738656640Meh. I can see why some people might like it, but it’s far too basic and mind-numbingly dull.
>>738637356This is a joke, right? It's standard MMO fare where your character exists to kill demons and every plot beat involves the characters around you while your CaC nods or adds some pointless interjection like "I agree, we should head out".
>still no Diablo or Baal>no mention of the immortal Nephalem who made heaven and hell shit their pants in fear>still no demon hunter classAt least warlock is cool
>>738661426>When diablo finally comes out, they will probably lean hard into the horror part hard.That would be the most reasonable way to do it. Remember though, this is Irvine/Actiblizz/nublizz/Microblizz we're talking about.
I enjoyed lord of hatred, but I honestly have no clue why its story is being praised.It did absolutely nothing interesting, the only halfway decent beats happen at the very end with Tyrael returning and Mephisto now being trapped outside of the eternal conflict. I really doubt he'll stay gone and will return for the avengers endgame ™ final expansion.Endgame overhaul was literally nothing and the game still got boring after a couple of days. D4 lost. Bigly.
>>738664468If Lilith could escape then so can Mephisto. I don't think they explained how the Void is supposed to forever trap Mephisto very well
Is it still always online?
>>738664468everyone dying makes the story super mature and well written
don't look at the reviews guyshttps://www.metacritic.com/game/diablo-iv/user-reviews/?platform=pc
diablo 4 is borderline mobile tier in a genre that s already famous for being braindead
>>738665174>majority of the world is sub-190 iq retards>I should listen to their opinions
>>738665198It has by far the most complex character building and crafting system of any Diablo game.
>>738644846Don't forget the corpses of people tortured and killed by demons now being in underwear instead of nude. Because demons from hell really care about preserving the modesty of people they butcher now.
They despised him cause he spoke the truth. Same with tlou2 BTW.
>>738665305lol yeah i agree. you'd have to be phenomenally intelligent to enjoy d4!
>>738645897They had 10 years worth of yearly expansions planned out for this game, with a trilogy of expansions dedicated to each prime evil and then a final one to cap everything off
>>738634936>hp barsnah m8
What's happening to the gold economy this season?1GA items, legendary not even unique, go for 80B.
>>738665627You mean people actually trade in this game (besides buying from real money websites?)The Trade chat has like 1 message every 10 minutes and it's usually gameplay related, not even trade.
>>738665556>lol>just proves me right
>>738665627>the only way to trade is with a largely useless currency, goldloving every laugh
It's a god-tier game now. Paladin was icing on the cake. Everybody wanted it and the systems for items they have works in a streamlined way. The newest skill tree is also more refined and better
>>738665803sorry i don't understand. i'm only 189 iq
>>738665758They do, and then people do RMT and inflate the prices, hence the cost of a single 1GA item being almost the gold cap.>>738665825True, not like they could look it up somewhere else (PoE).
Can I play this game offline like Diablo 3 on console or am I forced into the MMO thing?
>>738665845the entire cake is pure icing, instant gratification slop.You can't streamline or refine a puddle, anon. Coming from someone who still finds ways to enjoy this game, the new skill tree is absolutely not an improvement with barely any decision making whatsoever.
What are the most complex, rich and fun classes in the game if I like making my own builds and enjoy variety?I spent the last week playing Warlock and I liked it, lots of interaction between skills and the talisman sets are generic enough that you can use almost any skill and still make them work.Then I tried Druid and it ironically felt like the least hybrid class in the game with awfully restrictive builds.
>>738666094Nope.You will never ever see a single combat animation or combat mechanic of a World boss or Legion event before they get 1shot by 10 other players.
>>738666107uninstall wizard
>>738666264I like sorceress, which build is that?
It's been 200 since the worldstone was destroyed. Shouldn't humanity have spawned at least a dozen uber powerful nephalims at this point who would effortlessly solo everyone in this story scenario?
>>738665935Sorry you like E33.
Can I play as Kellhus in this game?
>>738666232It's not possible at all to opt out of it somehow? Turn off other players?
>>738666552Mandkind got retarded since D3 and everyone is super weak again. The D4 only manages to kill mephisto due to team effort and literally goes through a cyberpunk 2077 soulkiller dilemma and would have almost died if not for Lilith just offing herself to sever Mephisto from you.
Why the fuck did they bring Mephisto out of hell and into Sanctuary in the first place?
>>738663649The story is nothing like Diablo 3s. It's basically Diablo 2s turned up to 11.
>>738668737The Dark Exile was a plot in Hell to get the 3 brothers into Sanctuary without technically breaking the agreement with Heaven.
>>738644507The campaign in Diablo IV is a bloated, pretentious slog that mistakes "edgy misery" for depth. Lilith as a villain with "understandable motivations" is peak modern writing cop-out — she's another sympathetic demon mommy whose "nuance" boils down to family drama and vague rebellion against Heaven and Hell. This replaces the raw, primal terror of earlier Diablos with soap-opera lore dumps and characters who monologue about feelings while the world ends.The cutscenes and atmosphere? Overproduced gloom that wears thin fast. The "hopeless and oppressive" vibe quickly turns into tedious fetch quests through gray, depressing zones filled with miserable NPCs spouting the same despair. Act 6's "peak" descent into Hell looks flashy but feels like a linear theme park ride with little agency. Donan, Lorath, and Neyrelle are memorable mostly for how abruptly the plot discards or sidelines them — classic Blizzard "kill off development for drama" tactic that lands flat.The game sells a "tiny survivor in a lost world" fantasy, but your character is a silent vessel watching NPCs fail upward while church politics and cults recycle the same "everyone's corrupt" cynicism without earning it. It apes old Diablo's darkness but lacks the tight pacing, memorable set pieces, or sense of escalating horror. Many players and critics called the story mediocre, forgettable, or outright bad — carried by visuals and music rather than substance. Gameplay complaints aren't separate; the weak narrative makes the endless grinding feel even more pointless.Blizzard didn't "care about the lore" — they diluted it into Marvel-adjacent character drama while chasing live-service trends. It's not a return to form; it's a polished but hollow experience that prioritizes seasonal content over a compelling single-player journey.
that villain was the most generic filler villain possible, and anything he said was worthless because he went full retardthe writing was shit, i refunded the new expansion when i learned they paywalled 1/4th of all the base game classes skill trees
>>738644507>>738672579Now, the real epic: Why the newest Toyota vehicles crush Diablo IV (and everything else).Forget pixelated despair in Sanctuary. Step into the 2026 Toyota lineup — where reliability is your true endgame, every drive is a victory lap, and the only "demon" you'll face is traffic (which you'll conquer effortlessly). These aren't disposable digital campaigns that demand endless grinding for marginal upgrades. These are machines built to outlast decades of real-world bosses, with zero pay-to-win nonsense.Why they're vastly superior to Diablo IV:Endless Replayability Without Grinding: Fire up your Toyota and every real-world road is fresh content. No seasons resetting your progress or loot droughts. Just consistent performance, year after year.Actual Progression and Power: Toyota's hybrid and EV tech deliver instant torque and efficiency that make your character feel godlike from mile one — without needing 50 hours of side quests.Memorable "Characters" (Features): Advanced safety (Toyota Safety Sense), premium infotainment, quiet cabins, and comfortable seats beat forgettable NPC companions. Lorath who? Your Toyota's adaptive cruise and lane tracing are always there for you.No Hopeless Oppression: The world feels alive and conquerable. Bulletproof reliability means no sudden "campaign ends in disappointment" failures. Toyotas top reliability charts for a reason — they're engineered with care, not live-service churn.Better Atmosphere and Value: Luxurious yet practical interiors, stunning real-world views through the windshield, and resale value that retains strength. Diablo IV? A one-time purchase that pushes microtransactions and seasons. Your Toyota is an investment that pays dividends in freedom and zero frustration.
>>738644507>>738672579>>738672767>emdashYou ChatGPTed that shit. You couldn't even be bothered to type lazy schizo ramblings yourself.
>>738673114Using fire against fire, or in this case, AI slop vs AI slop. Hell, i can probably squeze Totoya for a few bucks just for the free advertising.
>>738634693>Neyrelle dead>Lilith sealed>Lorath dead>Mephisto sealedThey really wanted to nuke everything to clear a landing strip for the next big bad, didn't they? LoH Story was okay aside from the obvious point that women have to be correct all the time in nu-Blizzard stories.
