How do we fix the Final Fantasy series?
Both looks soulless
>>738638603I think it has soul
FFXV has one of the most dead open worlds ever.
Verses XIII.
Make Stranger of Paradise 2
>>738638510Just go back to be "4/5/3 fuckers against everything", just with better graphics.
I've never played anything in this series, which of the games are worth playing?
More loli girls to fall in love with.
>>738638510Stop making final fantasy
>>738638673Stranger of Paradise
Fire Yoshi p
>>7386386734 through 10 are goodBoth 11 and 14 if you're willing to put in the hundreds of hours required for MMOs12 is not bad but the combat is love-it-or-hate-it so it's hard to blanket recommendI haven't play 13, 15, or 16 so I can't give my opinion
I actually liked 13 (a lot) and 15 (not as much but still quite a bit).Will I like 16? Should I finally pirate it? I wasn't a big fan of 7Remake but it was okay.6 A7 B8 B9 DNF (probably D)10 A (would be S but the side content was ass)13 S15 A+
>>738638510Fire Tetsuya Nomura.
>>738638510Stranger of paradise
>>738638510Can it be fixed?
FF16 would be the perfect game if they allowed a third skill per eikon, made new interesting enemies, added exploration, and properly animated non-important cutscenes/dialogue. I unironically want a remake of 16.
Get the guy who did octopath traveler soundtracks. He elevates things like Uematsu did
by remaking final fantasy 15/XIII how they envisioned it in the first place
>>738638904This. Fire their most successful guy so we can get more projects with zero Nomura involvement like XVI.
>>738639269Yoshida is unironically the most successful Final Fantasy guy though (XIV). And I'm not saying more Yoshida. I'm saying ZERO Nomura.
>>738639437The character designs for FF7 alone probably make more pure profit than everything Yoshida has ever worked on
I liked XVI
Not make it open world?
How aboutYou knowJust likeMake a good game?
>>738638510It should play almost exactly like FF9, both because people would be happy to see it, and because they should stick to what they're good at.
>>738639018They should just do prequels since the ending of 16 totally fucked anything interesting in the world.
>>738639474Well, no, because XIV is the most profitable Final Fantasy game of all time. But Nomura was a decent character designer. I just don't trust Square Enix to relegate him solely to character designer, because look at where he is now. He needs to leave completely.
>>738638510Make something like FFX again
>>738639125You'd need the Luminous Engine for that, but Square already abandoned it since they never managed to make a good game with it.
>>738639545how would that work? all FF are open world
>>738638837Besides 9 you and I share the same tastes. Thoughts on 16>Cool characters>Good VA>Bad everything else>Long, tedious waste of time>Not worth it>DLCs were surprisingly goodGet it on steep discount. I bought it day one. Not worth it.
>>738638837Those are 3 very different games, so nobody really knows if you'll like it or not. You're at least willing to try something new, so half the complaints about FF16 won't affect you. Just keep in mind it's sometimes trying to be DMC or Bayonetta or something, but it doesn't go all the way.
>>738638510A very deceiving image, XVI looks worse than XV in every way in the overworld.
>>738639824idk, maybe just some linear story game like Pragmata or something but with the FF rpg stuff and psuedo turn based battles
>>738639691Anon, in this industry the real money comes from pulling profits from beyond the game.
>>738639942What do you think the cash shop is? And why is this even a conversation? Tetsuya Nomura is what has been ruining Final Fantasy. That, and trilogies. Remove Nomura and stop making trilogies. That's how we save Final Fantasy.
>>738639895It depends some areas are actually rendered fantastically character fidelity is slightly lower though I guess you can say its a bit more stylized
>>738640050nah
spend less money on them
>>738639895>A very deceiving imageit's not though, this is what XV looks like without the fancy nvidia grass whatever the fuck
>>738639942The irony is that XVI has barely gotten any new merch outside of a lore book ever since the game came out. It just shows how little value it has as an IP compared to FF7 which has an endless amount of merch printing money every day.
Go back to ff1 thru 4
>>738640064This looks like complete ass.
>>738640074Team Ninja, not Nomura.
>>738640089>It just shows how little value it has as an IP compared to FF7Nigga FF7 is FF7that Square Enix's ultimate milker
>>738640087Nah, even the PS4 version of XV looks better than XVI without that nvidia grass
>>738640248They actually milked it too hard people are growing tired of FF7 slop.
>>738640248Outside of FF7 Nomura has also given Square Enix the money printer that is this design
>>738639785In their defense, everyone who has worked on Luminous Engine has flat out said the engine is a fucking nightmare. Tools are completely broken, rendering takes so much time, Code that should work on anything else breaks it, etc.I see it in the same vein I do the RED engine. Produces fantastic worlds and everything, but if you have to do 4x the work just to get basic shit out and half the time its broken simply because the tools fight you every step of the way... whats the point.
2 legendary waifus like aerith and tifaand maybe if Uematsu comes back
>>738640278agree to disagree
>>738640165Its fineluminous strength was lighting but man that shit ran like ASS on PS4 I think literally only 15 looked great for what it was because Forspoken looked like ASS and was filled with BLINDING particles to hide how ass shit actually was\, not to mention all the characters looking like ASS
What video game series does it better?
>>738640548none, which is why it's still the best selling jrpg franchise
Im going to be in the minority for this. I know this.My fav. FF is still 15. Yes, the open world was not what I wanted. But I loved the characters and felt they had the best villain in the entire series in terms of plot and writing. I loved 16 for its writing, charcters and plot. Legit loved it. I didnt mind how they did "open world". Only thing I didnt really like was the ending.. but ive honestly had worst endings on games I love.I liked SoP. Thought it was a interesting reimagining of how FF1 started out.Now, I hate ff6 with an untold passion. Way to many characters to give a damn about, most of which I didnt. Villain who is only memorable because hes batshit and won. Overall though... IDK. I just didnt enjoy my time in it. Same with 4.Loved 5, 8 and 9. Was ok with 10. loved 12.
>>738638629I don't know roman numerals that well, what number is IT?
>>738640074KINO KINO
flopspoken even had a bug where textures wouldn't load. truly a masterpiece of ASS
Literally every game has a bug where textures dont load in some extremely rare niche situation that always fixes itself
>>738640380Your argument is worthless, anon. XVI doesn't even have weather or day/night cycles. You just can't use XVI to top XV in this aspect. It's just stripped down and inferior. And I'll tell you, beautiful scenery in an RPG doesn't mean anything when the game has absolutely nothing to explore.
Bring back Lightning for the 4th time.
>>738638510>How do we fix the Final Fantasy series?Stop buying the modern ones. Will be hard trying to convince coomers though.
My brain cant process "player character is slightly left of the screen" perspective in video games.
>>738638673The ones that had the original Square Soft logo. If you have ADHD then just play anything with Enix logo on it, doesn't matter which.
>>738638510sovl vs sovless
Stop catering to the nonexistent western young adults audience for starters.
>>738638510giant empty worlds are the most boring shit
>>738638510ffxv has probably my favorite fishing minigame in any game so it wins by default
We need a remake of IX
>>738640986There's Rebirth where the problem is the opposite, the map is huge and there's too much shit to do. Pick your poison.
>>738638510we cannot, make peace with the IP being something else than what you like and play things you like instead.
>>738638510Stop taking 10 years to make one game
This is more Final Fantasy than every FF after X.
16 was kino
>>738640864For me it's the opposite, on the right of the screen. I suspect I need to have my character's dominant right hand in view. Maybe it's some instinctual self preservation drive.
>>738641050I can hate both. I'll take densely populate rails.
>>738641110Indeed. I regard it as Final Fantasy XI in my mind.
>>738641050>and there's too much shit to doThere's too much banal shit to do you mean.
>>738640991Be glad they didn't make you fish up every single thing in the game for the platinum. Otherwise, it'd be absolute hell.
>>738641160I'm left handed. You might be on to something.
>>738640986FFXV's world is the most anti-open world game I've ever played because there's so many invisible barriers all over the game that you have to wonder why even make the game open world. You can't even jump over a small rock without it having an invisible barrier. Shit is 2D pokemon tier retarded when it came to shit that blocks your path. Another problem, and by far the biggest, is you can't even stand in 1 place for long without having random encounters dropping down on you. Wanna stop and take in the scene? NOPE, random enemy encounter every 2-4 minutes.
>>738639125Is this some chinese zoomerslop mobile game ad?
>>738638510Uh, why did you AI-generate the top pic?
>>738640389>BLINDING particles to hide how ass shit actually was
>>738641285jokes on you I did it anyway I also played that vr fishing game
>4k textures bump the game up to 170gb on pcjesus fucking christ m8
>>738641314Are we playing the same game? You don't need to jump over a small rock when you can just warp through it and random encounters are almost non-existent when you're either on the chocobo or driving the car all the time. I agree about the invisible barriers though, those are annoying sometimes. But at least they made an open world work without Ubisoft tower shit like Rebirth which is nice.
>>738641425>>BLINDING particlesfirst square enix game?
>>738638673Tactics and Tactics Advance.
>>738638510Is 16 loaded up with gay mini games like Rebirth?
>>738638510First, get rid of the Stagger System
>>738639125This game was 10 years too early
>>738640610You have the most awful taste I have ever seen
make a four niggas in a row open world again like old times. the ARPG style just doesnt work unless you commit fully imo. no weight to it, no fun at all, i'd rather just lay back and play classic shit, take in the world and designs and most of all the music.
>>738638705Final Fantasy started as an endgame for the creator in case he failed. But managed to pull off a miracle and succeeded.
>>738638673noneits a series where you had to have been there, its too late now
>>73864482516 doesn't have any mini games
XV is a piece of shit, Barry. Let go of the O button and take a shower.
>>738638904Fire everyone and close Square Enix.
>>738638510I don't know.
i've only played x x-2 xv ff7remake and i think the ideal final fantasy should be>throw everything about ff7r into the garbage except the combat and make it much harder>Copy the party interactions of XV and feeling a roadtrip>Copy customization and rpg elements of x-2>Copy the story, writing, romance, and characters of FFX
>>738638510Go back to the franchises roots of turn based combat
>>738638510Beg Sakaguchi to come back and tard wrangler the people who were clearly promoted beyond their competence level.
>>738640991Too bad the fishing game was also where creativity went to die and it just features real world fish.
>>738638510give lightning a 4th game
>>738647128>FFXnah, make that FF8 instead I agree with the rest specially the roadtrip part the only thing FF15 did right I enjoyed getting ingredients and cooking with the bros so much
>>738641132this was literally the only good thing about it
>>738644825The combat might classify as a mini-game.
FF fans don't know what they want
>>738638510I haven't enjoyed a FF game since XI. That feels like the last time they tried to improve the core RPG system they had been building on since the FFI. FFXI is the most mechanically complete and coherent FF ever was as an RPG system.
>>738638510>Semi-open world vs hallway simulator Both are shit but get your facts straight.
>>738638510More of Cindy, less gay stuff, no action combat, no only controlling one party member.
>>738648243You poll a million fans on what they want you'll get a million answers, its still your job to figure out what game to make to please them. The companies that can do this succeed, and the ones that can't fail.
>>73863851013, 15 and 16 are the only ones I think are bad and they aren't even truly bad games, just kind of mid. They are still better games than 90% of jrpg's. 13 suffered from being so linear, 15 from lack of story but the problem with 16 were many. Out of the 3 games 16 had the most potential but the lack of party members and such strong focus on Clive alone I think hurt it a lot. But design wise I think 16 was the most competent mainline FF in a long time... FF7R is hands down the best game Square has ever made though. Best combat, best music, best characters, best mini-games, etc.
>>7386385104 niggers in a row.Walkable worldmap.Scifi elements.Towns and cities.Game time clock.Thats it.
>>738638510E33 literally had all the good things from FF games that Square just threw out>world map>QTE crits>true turn based combat with actual modifiersIt's amazing how out of touch Square is even after seeing the success of E33.
>>738647725Do you need fantasy fish to enjoy fishing? Pretty sure there were quite a few fantasy fish anyway.
>>738648512Every FF game is completely different from the previous one, that's from where all the butthurt comes from. It's not that the games are oh so bad and terrible, it's just that the games are not what they want. People nowadays more than ever are extremely resistant to change.Like you got the FF6 fans from back in the day getting butthurt over FF7's setting and then the FF7 fans upset that FF8 wasn't more FF7. It's always been like this. FF9 despite all the love you see online was one of the lowest selling FF games because everyone hated the chibi characters. FF10 is the one that is universally praised and brought in a bunch of new fans that most never even play another FF game again. FF10 was the one and only FF they ever played... And why is that? probably because the next game was an MMO and then 12's aesthetics were radically different again.
>>738649050The thing about FF game was that there were plenty of recurring themes and mechanics, one of the most prominent being the actual world map with mini figures traversing it.Square fucked up by moving onto hallways and menus since X, and now they were trying the Witcher 3 route with XVI.They just need to get back to basics.
>>738648909You forgot the fishing mini game
>>738649176FFX is also where they retired ATB and ever since every mainline Final Fantasy seemed completely fucking lost as it tried to reinvent the wheel for its battle system. ATB was the backbone of the franchise since FFIV and itself was built on-top of the improved turn-based rules from FFII and FFIII, and once it was gone they lost their minds trying to find a replacement, hell all the way up to FFXVI they're still trying to find something to replace it that works. ATB was a stroke of genius and I'm baffled that they are still unwilling to admit its what defined the franchise and just go back to it.
>>738638510the problems of FF aren't any different than problems of modern gaming in generalthey can't make good games anymore. both the devs and the audience is just too different from the era of gaming when games were actually good
>>738638510Make more games set on Spira, it's a unique setting not really seen since in any other game.
>>738638673start with talking with a real woman
>>738638603that's the problem
>>738638510Rehash FFIV~X
>>738649071I'm waiting for Square Enix's "answer" to see if they finally learned their lesson or they are just too dumb.
>>73863851016 has shitty unreal colours look at the yellow grassthey compensate overly blue garbage by making overly yellow garbage becaus eof the shit lighting
>It took seven years to get FFXVI>FFXV came out in 2016>FFXVI came out in 2023 We'll probably get a FFXVII, but considering how long it took to develop FFXVI, I imagine it'll be like 2029-2030 before we actually get the next mainline FF game.
>>738638510Fuucking graphics stagnated.gameplay wise, 16 is great but only knee deep. Fuck those +5% dmg accessories. The only depth it had was swapping around skills to get powerful comboes.Gay 15 can die in obscurity.
>>738649771Good by what standards?Because FF13-15-16 are all really good games and FF7R is excellent. All of the games have good reviews with both fans and critics, FF7R has a 90+ metacritic score, so what are your metrics for being good? Have you tried playing them?There are many good games, like Valkyria Chronicles, that crashed and burned. Sales just mean that people are not interested and people are not interested in FF for whatever reason, which is why what else could it be? All the games are different and often share barely anything in common.
>>738638510>make another game that serves as a FF7 prequel>offline single player action rpg with an optional multiplayer mode>add a character creation system>make the player character a member of SOLDIER>make Sephiroth, Zack, Angeal and Genesis involved somehow>add lyrical J-Rock as battle music>throw in a bunch of unnecessary mini games like Chocobo races, cooking, gambling etc.>add vehicles for you to drive around the world in>add romance mechanicsThere you go. /v/ will likely think it sucks, but it'll sell gangbusters regardless
Final fantasy botw like
>>738638510>Sell FF8 IP to Sandfall Interactive>Sell FF12 IP to Pearl Abyss>Sell FFT IP to Larian
>>738639608Ff9 wasn't good and them trying to nostalgia bait on ff9 is what created dawntrail.
>>738650673>FF13-15-16 are all really good games and FF7R is excellenti think people like you should be hanged
>>738640818>Altissia is a beautiful Venice-like city but you basically can't explore it and in the few parts you can explore there is almost nothing to do>all you can see of Tenebrae is mostly a train station>Gralea is the technological capital of the Niflheim Empire and yet you can only explore the bland as hell Zegnautus KeepFFXV is a complete disappointment
>>738639608based
>>738640623do amerimutts really
>>738641110final fantasy XXXIII will be as good
>>738638510Hire better writers and, in the case of ff 16, also musicians and artists.
>>738641110You know it's good when you want to replay it again just like with ffX
>>738638510bring back genki brat onaholes
>>738638510I never touch a single main line game in entire of my life
>>738638510You can't fix something that was already ridiculously fucking gay to begin with.
>>738654379bitch please
>>7386386737,9 and 10 are the highest rated and most popular ones in the franchise.1-5 only og's played, i did not so i cant rate them.6 and 8 is also popular.11,12 and 13 most be mediocre have barely seen anyone talk about them, i tried 13 and quit so i will just call them mid.14 is a mmo, basegame (arr is garbage) and thus i cant recommend it to people unless they want to sit through 55hours of a slog. Even after going past that you are rewarded with just a okay msq afterwards with heavensward expansion.15 is a poor final fantasy game, but a decent road trip sim with your bros. Id say its a good entry if you can get it for cheap, it got issues with the fact that the story is rushed.ff16 is made by the ff15 team aka mmo devs, so it suffers from boring fetch quests for the main story. The combat is better than 15, but they gave it hack and slash combat which is good for a game thats like 15hours max. But for a jrpg thats 40hours? it gets tiresome.Story is also complete opposite from ff15 pacing, its pretty bad and was one of the biggest complaints about the game. My recommendation:Dont mind the graphics? classic ff7Want a decent story, but you are fine with not modern graphics? ff10pick up on sale for 10 bucks or cheaper: ff15pick up on sale for minimum half price: ff16dont want to spend money and got lots of hours to spare and the patience of a saint? ff14 free trial
>>738638510Make them low poly & chibi
>>738641110>This is more Final Fantasy than every FF after X.Theres nothing of FF DNA in it. The game is too serious and misery porn to be a FF. Wheres the actual humor? the colorful world?
>>738658349Just baffling they took the FF with the least amount of story and tried to pull another FF7 with it.
>>738650475Companies always learn but never the things that would matter to people like you and me
We don't, there are like 100 final fantasy games at this point. We don't need more, let it die.
>>738651452It's way better than 15. Dawntrail references FF9, but that's definitely not its biggest flaw and it doesn't actually play like FF9. I literally mean that ATB battle system, learning moves from weapons, the dungeon/overworld/town map design and shit. Not a kingdom named Alexandria again.
>>738658358>>738641110Writing wise there is no way Squaresoft or S-E could ever make a game like E33.
>>738661890FF7, FF9, FFX, FF6 are better written than exp33. At least they respect their characters.
>>738638510Bring back Tifa's huge bazonkas.
>final fentsea>theres more than one game
>>738661947FF8 and 9 didn't even have the courtesy of explaining why Seifer and his crew, or Beatrix, weren't in prison for crimes.
>>738640864>>738641160It's not about the hands it's about your point of focusYou fix this awkwardness by playing third person shooter games.The dot is centered on the middle, so you learn to focus on the middle and the character blends with the background, you don't even see it anymoreYou are looking at the back of the neck of the character because that's the "middle" you are used to, play some shooters
>>738638510>How do we fix the Final Fantasy series?never make another one
>>738639269>>738638904fire both of them, FF hasn't been good in 20+ years
>>738638904>lets fire the only one with talent
>>738638510Remake Final Fantasy V and call it Final Fantasy Five.
>>738639895no it doesn't retard
>>738664647Keep seething, yoshipissfaggot
>>738665483>posts a screenshot that looks worse than FF12nice one barry
Make Tifa look like this again.Also, all future heroines look like this, too. Don't know why the fuck Nomura hasn't made a similar design again, did he become homo?
>>738664583>Bartz, Lenna, Faris, Galuf and Krile pose for the camera.>"We are the Final Fantasy Five!"
>>738638510Never let Yoshi P touch anything except maybe story. FF16 wasn't even an FF game. It's a fucking DMC game.
I think it has too many entries. All the best stories have an end you can't just keep something going forever. What are we up to ? 17 ? Just sunset the series and come up with something else
>>7386386736, 7, 9, 10.
>>738638510The company has talked about their staff being mentally ill, liking FF13, crying about fan criticism, and they're woke. This coupled with all of their talent having left as seen by their recent releases that don't even feel like FF games means it's just over. FF is dead.
It went downhill with FF 7. The most overrated rpg and game ever made
>>738665856Why don't you post some too, to back up your argument? Of course you can't Yoshipiss cultists like you don't even play the game. I just posted a random screenshot from the PS4 version, not even the definitive PC version.
>>738638510Go back to four/three niggas in a row, maybe go back to Ivalice?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFIWRQ2C1Mshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HV3oyxr0Eghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5bRMje6V9Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAkTUXfMcMohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AjXgK0NYTo
>>738666370False.
>>738638510Just let it end
>>738638510make it look like amano's artwork, complete with its watercolor impressionistic style, not the literalized shit that normally proliferates the games.video games can render that sort of style easily, theres so many cel-shaded, anime type games or watercolor games like okami, i dont see why it wouldnt look fucking amazing, especially with the kind of money they would throw at something like that.then you could literally do anything else because you finally solved the issue of final fantasy games looking like plastic toy bullshit.
>>738666018I haven't played 16 but like DMC. Should I play?
>>738665956And more pantyshots for god's sake.Again, why does only based Tifa gets them while new heroines look like nuns? You can't tell me Jill and Lunafreya are going to make the player hard.
>>738667042If you like DMC then probably. It's the same type of shit all action moves and stuff and not turn based. The story is good and the visuals are dope it's just not FF style gameplay. FF7 Remake has the proper combat for a modern FF game.
>>738667328>The story is goodYep, this is how you know this is a shitpost, and even hardcore DMCfags wouldn't want to play it when the game is just one combo that lasts 30+ hours.
>>738665483so cringe
>>738667559..what? Why is my opinion a shitpost?
>>738667808Because the gameplay is a shallow mockery of DMC, and the story is a cynical attempt at mimicking popular normalfag slop?
>>738667808Then you should get out of this board, because anyone who thinks XVI's story is anything above average either has incredibly shit taste or is underaged, there's no in between.
>>738668002Yeah? I already mentioned it's DMC style gameplay? Exactly what "normalfag slop" is the story mimicking? >>738668018Did I say it was above average? I said it was good, I didn't say it was fantastic, or amazing or anything "above average".
>>738668216I'm done arguing with retards. If you enjoy that trash story, then I'm happy for you.
>>738668480Sorry I'm not a miserable fuck? Have fun enjoying nothing and hating everything. I'll keep on smiling and having fun in life. Sucks to suck, fag.
Give me an action dungeon crawler that is in Amano's art style. That's how you fix it.
>>738668561I was just stating facts. If you can't handle the truth, then you shouldn't be posting your opinion on the internet.
XVI shills are as delusional as always, I see. This should shut them up.
>>738667559A lot of people genuinely don't seem to understand that a combo is anything other than the game's preset attack sequences. Maybe some games like Mortal Kombat are to blame because they list "Kombos" that are exactly the canned animations I'm talking about. Even MK games have combos relying on either doing a move quickly enough that it connects while the opponent is reeling from the last one, or knocking the opponent up and hitting them again before they land. FF16 encourages those kind of combos where you have the freedom to do whatever moves you want, but it's up to you to actually make them combo together.
>>738639853I dropped 9 early and didn't really give it a fair shake. I might try it again someday but I have other things that are higher priority.Okay so pirate 16, that's about what I figured. Or maybe in five years I'll grab it at gamestop for $5 like I did with 15.>>738639893I suck at Bayonetta and never played DMC so that's probably a good thing for me.
>>738668996man every time i read posts from this guy is just some stupid ass shit
>>738638510looks like FFXVI already fixed it
>>738638510If they're not going to make it turn based then rebirth combat is the way to go. Just make it proper jrpg in every other respect and not some ubislop FF theme park that ruins any sense of immersion or mystery.
>>738638510go back to the old and good turn based combat and pixel art style.
>>738638670It’s “niggas in a row” you uncultured filth.
>>738668734>facts>about if a story is good or notAnon, there's nothing factual about someones experience with a story. It's opinion.
>>738669080The point is that people call XVI a DMC clone but the game itself lacks every basic feature that makes DMC games fun. Not only does the game fail as an RPG, but it fails as a good DMC clone too. It's a mediocre action game at best, and it wouldn't have caused this much drama if it hadn't carried the mainline number of a long running RPG franchise.
>>738669534I consider practically all criticism of 7R, including story criticism, to be invalid because it's not objective.
>>738638510Fix? Destructible environments!
>>738669319A stupid ass take that I've yet to see anyone refute, that's how truth works.
>>738638673Stranger of Paradise if you like cool people doing cool things.
>>738638510top (and bottom as well?) looks ai generated or upscaled
>>738638510Stop with controlling only the main character.Bring back teams and they're all controllable.Bring back character building through jobs, sphere grid or heck even skills attained through equipment, not that barebones pisspoor excuse of a skill tree.That's all they need to do
>>738669534I can't say the new Star Wars has a good story and expect no one to judge your taste. It's the same situation here. Your opinion is in the minority which is why it will never be fact.
>>738640165It doesn't look like ass, it's just not much of a leap. A few more polygons, particle effects and rendering distance isn't really impressive when literally everyone is just making hyper realistic games which means everyone's gonna look similar because it's all pigeonholed into not exaggerating proportions. FFX's mainline game's issues has been sticking to a realistic design to the characters. I'm tired of appealing to normies who want the "cinematic experience" with their games. It's just childish because they're basically saying "Only 'real games' look realistic and are mature for adults like me." like a kid acting grown-up. That's basically what killed FFXVI.
>>738664454Nomura has zero talent.
>>738638510Let us buttfuck Red XIII, that's how.
>>738669864If you want me to go point by point, then i will>the combat is insulting to OG fansNo, they just wanted to do a game with action combat. To think thats an insult sounds pathetic.>the desert segment doesnt matterThe desert is all part of Kupka and the overall worldbuilding, i dont even know what he means by that>clive goes to pick up garlicThat would be the equivalent of saying "cloud dresses like a girl in a quest, i shit you not. ff7 is garbage".>plays like an MMO because sidequestsThe only argument i agree, the sidequests are garbage gameplay-wise. There are some good ones when it comes to story and concept, but not enough variability or good rewards like rebirth.>no one cares about clive development, please just keep Cid alive!Yeah man, no one cares about the protagonist development, just keep alive a character i like. The equivalent of removing Cloud arc and keep aerith alive because you liked Aerith.>mature writing is just saying "fuck"Ah yes, the exp33 defender with their MERDE and FUCK>b-b-b-but swearing is fine when it is well written!Sure thing, but both FFXVI and Exp33 are on the same tier, so i dont know why this retard tries to pretend otherwise.>its not a misunderstood masterpiece, its just not that goodActually agree, but his arguments are garbage. He doesnt address the real problem with the game: the combat system design, the enemy design and side content gameplay.The combat is not bad because "it is action" or "it has no RPG elements". It is bad because it is undercooked compared to other action games. It needed different weapons or at the very least different enemy design to make you develop a strategy. The stagger system in the game is garbage and hamfisted, not even close to FF7r or LR. The sidequests are samey and not enough variability,or even good rewards. The story or the action aspect of the combat are no problems at all.
Graphics are temporary, art style is forever. I thought we had already learned this.
>>738669705The comment was about the game having one combo, presumably referring to mashing square. That's not even the only string because you get different ones with the katana equipped or during a limit break, but you should hammer one button the entire game and then wonder why it's repetitive. There are moves to knock enemies up in the air like a Torgal call, a wing punch, a rising talon attack and charged attacks. The game at that point is figuring out how to keep them from hitting the ground and being able to attack again. DMC works similarly where it doesn't have many preset attack sequences, but you're encouraged to use different moves that will keep the enemy in hitstun.
>>738669705>>738670940>>738669080>>738667559Juggleslop is just plain garbage. I dont know why people pretend those are good action games.
>>738670341Holy fucking BASEDLion wolf bf can get it anytime
>>738670616>they just wanted to do a game with action combatSE traded a polished, deep RPG system for a shallow, mediocre action system. That’s a downgrade, period.>That would be the equivalent of saying "cloud dresses like a girl in a quest, i shit you not. ff7 is garbage"The Cloud cross-dressing is a pivotal, iconic plot moment in a high stakes infiltration. Clive buying garlic is filler in an MMO lite quest chain. If you can't see the difference between 'character-driven subversion' and 'narrative padding,' you don't understand pacing.>no one cares about the protagonist development, just keep alive a character i likeIt’s not about 'liking a character.' It’s about the fact that the story’s momentum and charisma fell off a cliff after the first act. Developing a protagonist at the expense of the entire story’s energy is a failure in writing, not a necessary sacrifice.>Muh mature writingYou’re literally admitting the writing and localization are 'on the same tier' as subpar edgelord games. That proves the point: the 'mature' branding was a shallow aesthetic choice rather than a sign of quality.You’re trying to sound smart by nitpicking the real problems but your real problems lead to the exact same result, a game that doesn't respect the player's time or the franchise's legacy. You're just arguing about the color of the trash bag.
>>738670341take your meds
>>738664647Forget XV, Final Fantasy VIII (ps1) looks better than XVI.
>>738671214>SE traded a polished, deep RPG system for a shallow, mediocre action system. That’s a downgrade, period.No, SE just thought it would be fun to try a new combat system. Its not about trading, it is a new game.>The Cloud cross-dressing is a pivotal, iconic plot moment in a high stakes infiltrationConvenient half truths to either praise something or be a reductionist are not arguments>It’s about the fact that the story’s momentum and charisma fell off a cliff after the first act. Cid was already a complete character and there wasnt much about him to see in the story. If you want to talk about wasted resources, Benedikta was real one that should have survived.>Developing a protagonist at the expense of the entire story’s energy is a failure in writing, not a necessary sacrifice.whats that? Verso replacing Gustav was bad? we are talking about FFXVI here buddy, not Exp33.>You’re literally admitting the writing and localization are 'on the same tier' as subpar edgelord games. That proves the point: the 'mature' branding was a shallow aesthetic choice rather than a sign of quality.No one is admitting anything here. FFXVI tried to be more mature and it WAS more mature, thats a fact. My point was much simpler: none of you would be saying anything of this if the game was turn based, because thats how simpletons you people are. No critical thinking at all.>You're just arguing about the color of the trash bag.Yes you retard, if you are gonna act like a all-knowing twitter faggot that tells people what to feel or what to think then at least have the brains to properly say so.
>>738638510>How do we fix the Final Fantasy series?smaller budget, turn-based, 4niar, back to fantasy, strange non-humanoid party members, secret/optional party members, 0 nomura involvement, find a composer who idolizes nobuo, amano designs
Just give it to the rebirth team. They clearly know what they are doing unlike the incompetent retards who made 16Double down on the combat system and allow customization and controllable party members. Maybe even get the octopath traveler guy to do the soundtrack
>>738640220>>738671994What exactly do you people believe Nomura has done that is so bad?
>>7386386734, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13(2 and 3)
>>738638673all of them, I wish I started from 1
Clean house, because Square Peenix has been a bloated stagnating whore for 20 years and counting now. Fuck Nomura, fuck Yoshit Pee, and gamble on having some hot new talent spearheading the franchise.
>>738672092>What exactly do you people believe Nomura has done that is so bad?the entire FF7 "extended universe"
>>738672092>Kingdom Hearts>The Final Fantasy VII Compilation>Complete and utter failure to make Versus XIII a reality, while simultaneously continuously reminding his cultists about Versus XIII and doing """teases""" like Verum Rex so that we have to keep hearing about Nomura's """magnum opus""" that never was and never will be, because Nomura is not a capable man
>>738671713>>SE traded a polished, deep RPG system for a shallow, mediocre action system. That’s a downgrade, period.You don't get credit for trying something new if what you built is a shallow imitation of better action games. If the new direction results in a game that lacks the complexity of its predecessors AND the polish of its competitors, it's a failure of direction, not a bold new step.>Cid was already a complete character and there wasnt much about him to see in the story. If you want to talk about wasted resources, Benedikta was real one that should have survived.Saying a character is complete is a weak excuse for a story losing its charisma and momentum halfway through. Cid wasn't just a character. He was the narrative engine. When you remove the most compelling dynamic in the script and replace it with 20 hours of flat dialogue and fetch quests, that is a failure in structural writing.>No one is admitting anything here. FFXVI tried to be more mature and it WAS more mature, thats a fact. My point was much simpler: none of you would be saying anything of this if the game was turn based, because thats how simpletons you people are. No critical thinking at all.You’re confusing mature themes with mature writing. Having gore and profanity doesn't automatically make a script 'mature' it just makes it rated M. True maturity is found in nuanced character development and tight pacing.Also, the 'turn based' argument is a total strawman. People aren't complaining because it's an action game. they're complaining because it's a mediocre action game. If the combat was as deep as DMCV or DD2 nobody would care about the genre shift. You’re the one lacking critical thinking if you think the only two options are 'Masterpiece' or 'Turn based.' You can't admit the game's systems are flawed and then call everyone else simpletons for noticing those same flaws.
>>738672879>People aren't complaining because it's an action gamecheck the twitter post you posted, Sebby.
Create a mix of 3D and pre-rendered backgrounds, in order to have that strong identity people loved about the storic titles without scaring off the normiesFFXV and XVI fauls was that they looked painfully generic most of the time, like all the other modern games
>>738673015The tweet says the combat is insulting because it sends the message that long time fans 'don't matter anymore.' That's a critique of intent and execution, not just a genre preference. Arguing with a stubborn retard like you really drained all my energy. I'm tired.
>>738673428>The tweet says the combat is insulting because it sends the message that long time fans 'don't matter anymore.' That's a critique of intent and execution, not just a genre preference.So choosing an action combat over turn based is an insult? how's that not just a basic ass "uhm...action!???? im LE MAD"
I think it's funny that locking in and dedicating yourself to refuting every single thing sebby says is so important to you that it actually stops you obsessing over me for a little while.
>>738673487The insult isn't the genre change it's the lack of depth. Because it's poorly made. You're hiding behind the action label to avoid admitting that the game failed at what it tried to do. You're literally agreeing it's mediocre while crying that everyone else noticed too. Anyway, I'm done with this conversation. Go argue with someone else if you're still mad.
>>738673906>>The insult isn't the genre change it's the lack of depth. Because it's poorly made.Sure, maybe next time, sebby, make a real post on why that specific action gameplay doesnt work and not some basic victim complex garbage like you are a real fan and they pissed on you and your mother by DARING to make an action game.
>>738673487>So choosing an action combat over turn based is an insult?for clarification im not that guy you're replying to, just wanna throw in my two cents and say yeah it is an insult, because action combat is for the younger crowed (lower IQ, no relevant video game qualia, driven by instant gratification and emotions) where as turn-based is for the older crowd (intellect remains unharmed by social media, grew up experiencing pivotal landmark games that manage to remain relevant 20 years later, values depth, strategy, micro-progression based systems, ascribes to delayed gratification and can see the bigger picture years from now).If you want to conceptualize this easier as a young 4chan user, imagine the following two wojack memes:the guy playing action rpgs is the drooling one with the power plug inserted into his own socket on his headthe guy playing the turn based rpg is the one sitting on a throne made out of his own brain, he appears sombre.
>>738638673Stranger of ParadiseFinal Fantasy 4 Heroes of LightBoth tacticsDissidia and 012
>>738674124>young = lower IQI dont think you understand how IQ works.Also when you were playing FF6 or FF7 at a young age, there were people like you all smug and shit telling you JRPGs were garbage and that they arent real RPGs (since they streamlined everything for the younger audience) like the western games. Others, older ones as well, called you a causal for playing slow streamlined games like JRPG and not old hardcore, hard games like tetris and platfomers that required skill, patience and quick reaction skills.
>>738672092he turned final fantasy into kingdom hearts except its also not even fun to play on top of being gay and lame
>>738668996The problem with this dude is that he's too stupid to recognize real gameplay issues and offer genuine criticism.
>>738639824does that matter when the overworld's sub areas still unlock in a specific order?
>>738674856>genuine criticismSuch as?
>>738638510>Give the game to Creative Studio I>Hamaguchi as director>Nomura is retiring, so find somebody to replace him as creative director>Party-based combat with an evolution of the Remake combat system>Open world with actual exploration and genuinely interesting story beats>Cool cast of likeable characters with their own goals and motivationsEasy fix.
>>738672092>What exactly do you people believe Nomura has done that is so bad?Turn-niggers hate his guts, because Nomura realized long ago that only boomers and browns genuinely enjoy turn-slop and he isn't afraid to say it,
>>738675402what was the moment that made you decide you would spend 18 hours every day posting like this for years? what makes your war on turn based fans feel worth this time investment? is your plan to single handedly destroy the persona series? is it revenge? for what?
Turn based combat completely modernized. Like E33 did it last year. But no need to copy the pary mechanics. Just invent something new. No open world. More like an overworld map with fix location. Just like every final fantasy did it till X. It was the superior method.
>>738675842If modernizing turn based combat is adding action mechanics, then maybe turn based isnt that appealing.
>>738673487>>738673989The finest ESLIs to grasp at straws. Its undercooked, because they desperately wants people to play trough it with only being able to barely skim the systems. The turn based suffered badly from ""oh need to make the person who only mashes attack have a chance to beat this game". And that is a lot worse when its a action game, because then the contrast to something like Nioh or just KH1 is very obvious. Cue /v/ related image. Its almost the core demographic the game was designed for, so they could experience the wonder of FF.
>>738675842Modernizing = copying SNES games?
>>738676052Ok thats you, what about Sebby?
>>738676115I watch every sebby video and read his every tweet so I can hate him more. I can logically refute every single thing he says with objective fact. He's never said one correct thing and I hate that anyone listens to him.
>>738676271How do you convince yourself you aren't mentally ill while behaving like this...?
>>738640220Fucking faggot
>>738676338What's the alternative? Just let sebby and his retarded fans spread their lies? Think about what that could do for FFs reputation
>>738676452You should be more concerned about what releases like FFXVI could do for FFs reputation.
>>738676384Stranger of Paradise is a Nioh game with a Final Fantasy skin made by Team Ninja, anon.
What mystery element caused JACK to be more iconic than that white boy you play as in Nioh 1 or any other character in the series?
Just fucking don't. At this point final fantasy feels more like a shared vocabulary than a franchise. Like there is virtually no connection between ff8 and ff16 or any of the games that came out after 9/10.
>>738675842>Turn based combat completely modernized.Done!What else needs to be fixed?
>>738677104God that looks like shit..no wonder why rebirth flopped
>>738666908>make it look like amano's artwork, complete with its watercolor impressionistic style, not the literalized shit that normally proliferates the games.Does anyone even like that guys watercolor artwork? It always looks retarded. The very last thing they want to do is make a game that looks 1:1 like it. Nobody is asking for that out of all things.
>>738678765one of my favourite things in these threads is when someone posts video "proof" of 7r combat being good and it's impossible to tell if they're trolling or not because it looks identical to shit combat.>you can see the button mashing>you can't even see what's happening>screen is nothing but particle effects>enemy is staggered so it's not even doing anything
>>738678994>you can see the button mashingIn the webm? no you cant, it is a very specific moment just before stagger and just before jenova dies>you can't even see what's happeningOf course, because you havent played it>screen is nothing but particle effectsYes, things happen, and they have particle effects.>enemy is staggered so it's not even doing anythingYes, when enemies are staggered they dont move. Thats what stagger does.
>>738677104I love how these random gameplay webms make the turnfags seethe. kek
>>738649071I played E33 a while ago and even though I liked the game, I hated the rhytm based parrying. I'm playing the og FFVII right now and I forgot how good the original turn based combat is.
>>738638510ffxvi has good ideas but here are its problems:- can only equip 3 eikons, very limiting in combat- only control clive, no party members which suck- side quest are boring as fuck- itemization and rpg mechanica suck - clive is a bit too stiff, needs more charisma..also jill is boring. she needed more depth.- performance is a jokefix these problems and suddenly the game becomes the greatest in the series
>>738638510Stop making them entirely. How many FINAL Fantasies can there even be? Do the japs even know what final means? Make something new!
>>738679421Go back to your war on sebby mate
>>738678994Rebirth is just XV's combat but more polished and with more fancy practical effects.
>>738679421>of course>yes>yesFor a moment I thought you were going to prove me wrong but actually you were just agreeing with me. Nice.
>>738679978first you blame for being all day on it, but now you want me on it?
>>738680052Is that your counter argument?
>>738638510Bring back FFX-2's battle system (unironically the best battle system of any FF game)
>>738638510Back to random encounter turn based battle systems with parties lining up to attack. Its not that complicated.
>>738680119No, actually. In fact I'd like to ask you something.
>>738638702Neither of those girls are loli they are petite
Every Final Fantasy being some spin on where VI pushed the series in tone and VII pushed the series in production value is ultimately the fans fault. That's what they want. Dragon Quest on the other hand is free to be a cheapo AA kids game for all time.They try to scratch different nostalgia itches and Final Fantasy drew the short straw on what they have to try to be. More expensive. More time. More risk.
>>738638702by calling genki teenagers lolis you are playing right into ((their)) hands. stop larping as a "pedo" for 17 year old girls.
>>738638673V, VI, VII, IX, X. 1, 3 and 4 aren't bad but jrpgs like them are a dime a dozen. 2, 8, 12, 13, 15, and 16 suck. 11/14's quality depends on if you play with friends and how much mmo bullshit you can tolerate.
Not final fantasy, but square enix could save the whole company if they made Tifa titty merch. She's their most popular character and still severaly underutilized.They could up their sales of anything by slapping her titties there. Seriously, they should consider making her crossover to other games to become best sellers, if she was featured in XV and XVI people would actually buy them.
>>738638510It's beyond fixing.It went off the rails with FF8 and never recovered.With every new sequel it becomes more and more unrecogniseable and it gets a bit worse each time.They need to return to tradition:-Crystals-Airships that you see early but can't fly until much later-Chocobos-ATB system-A world map with little towns and areas you can visit-A mixture of D&D fantasy with high tech science-A guy called Cid-A dramatic story and varied ensemble of characteretc
>>738658187>@grok generate an answer that a retard that has no clue what he’s talking about would type up
>>738683052>They need to return to tradition:>-Crystals>-Airships that you see early but can't fly until much later>-Chocobos>-ATB system>-A world map with little towns and areas you can visit>-A mixture of D&D fantasy with high tech science>-A guy called Cid>-A dramatic story and varied ensemble of character>etcThis is all in FFXVI except for the flyable airship and turn-based combat system.I'd tell you to play the game, but I well aware that turnfag boomers don't touch games with action-based combat.
>>738683427Any FF without Cactuar isn't a real FF. Also most of the iconic monsters in XVI are ugly as shit because they tried too hard to make them look muh edgy design. The only mon that looks fine was moogle.
>>738683969Nice pickle you FFXIVfags have.
>>738638510have Ishikawa write a mainline entry, she seems to be the only one that can write in the entire company instead of doing whatever the hell she is doing
Nomura dickriders are beyond cringeHe was always a hack, but now he's a washed hack
It's dead.Try to move away from asia.
>>738640380How big is the world in xvi compared to xv?
>>738638510Make it like E33, which is spiritually a FF game.
>>738683969>Any FF without Cactuar isn't a real FF.
>>738638510make final fantasy dragon quest again. we need a warrior
>>738638510What the fuck even was 15? It felt severely undercooked and when I played it, it felt like I was playing a direct sequel to another game. Then found out about all of the side content and it just confused me even more.
squenix knows what their doing unfortunately. they're the last rpg makers
>>7386386733,4,5 and 9.
>>738658358>The game is too serious and misery porn to be a FF.FFX was literally misery porn at the end up until FFX-2 and LM retconned the ending
>>7386386731,2,3,4,5(buttz)6,7,&8 if you're feeling lucky
>>738684835It's a road trip simulator.
>>738684835it's not a real final fantasy game
>>738684835you'll have more fun playing devil may cry
>>738685453riding chocobos are always the best regardless of game
>>738638510Make Red XIII talk like Scooby-Doo.>Ruh Roh Croud , it's Rephiroph!
>>738685097>FFX was literally misery porn at the endkeyword here is "end". Cant be misery porn if it doesnt repeat over and over again
>>738685627fuck that just make him a hick from the UK
>>738685627>>738685671>seffy roff
>>738677104based
>>738638510More QTEs, open world, walk and talk segments, long meandering story that gives up and become generic halfway through, characters that are completely flat and one note, tone deaf "tragedy", going maximum jew on DLC and stealing game plots from other developers seem to work well, don't they?
>>738685768am I wrong for hating this? this isn't final fantasy
>>738640064Jesus Christ I hate modern slop graphics so much. And the only good modern engine now is for a mediocre Korean game.
you want a real final fantasy game? play dragon quest 11. they don't disappoint
>>738683052Dont forget-Guys called Biggs & Wedge-Colorful main characters with one weirdo and one Hebe-Memorable Music
>>738685808Final Fantasy didn't have a real identity outside of crystals and using mythological names out of context for no reason. It's a pretty low quality JRPG series these days and coasts entirely off of brand recognition like Pokemon.It needs to be forgotten and players need to learn how to look for something better instead of begging a developer with almost no original staff who made the stuff they love to try and recapture lightning in a bottle. It's getting pathetic.
>>738685916that's not for me. I liked the originals. you can keep your action slop
>>738685916>>738685961I have devil may cry at home
>>738668018>here on this board with varied opinions and a mature capacity to evaluate things we all have the same opinions and if you don't.. you just have to heckin get out of here chuddyNot your safe space.
>>738685961Same, hence why I was insulting modern FF games.
>>738686006they should be insulted. there are no good games past 12
>>738685768>More QTEsFFX>open worldFFXII, FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX, FFXV>walk and talk segmentsUh, first that doesnt exist in FF.>long meandering story that gives up and become generic halfway throughDidnt you want open world...? anyway, FFIX becomes really bad at disk 3 and 4, FFVIII kills half of the world in disk 4, FFX is a big hallway, FFXIII is incomplete at the end.>tone deaf "tragedy"FFIV, FFV, FFVII>going maximum jew on DLCFFXV>stealing game plots from other developers seem to work wellFFXII
>>738685916>It needs to be forgotten and players need to learn how to look for something better insteadIm not playing personaslop, DQ slop or Falcom slop, anon. Go buy an ad somewhere else.
>>738686053>>stealing game plots from other developers seem to work well>FFXIIAnd FFXVI. It has almost the exact same plot, progression and pacing as Tales of Arise.
>>738686053dude ff9 is literally broken. you better hope to God your ps1 reads the disk for the waltz boss fight. it's not hard, it's just a glitch game breaker
>>738638510my feeling is that squareenix is full of ideas guys and there's no producer or director who is capable of setting expectations and deadlines. xv taking nearly a decade in development and having a xenogears-tier second half is proof of poor planning and oversight. ffxvi was no better, with the last continent being a tiny area with 0 npcs (totally for story reasons) and 1 mini-dungeon.
>>738686116I just checked and tales of arise was released in 2021 meanwhile the first FFXVI trailer was released in 2020
>>738686116>look two boring games
>>738638510first of all it absolutely shouldnt look like this.
>>738686187>the first FFXVI trailer was released in 2020So was Arise's trailer.
>>738685714“based” every time someone says modern FF sucks isn’t an argument, anon. the series has been spiraling since Sakaguchi dipped and they’ve been chasing trends ever since. either accept it’s a different franchise now or go replay IX for the 20th time.
>>738686238I'm not complaining about the graphics. it should be turn based. I'm not going to fuck my hands up playing final fantasy action game 15
>>738686272i guess both were copying each other?
>>738686296squenix is the only people making good Japanese games anymore
>>738686296rip Japan
>>738686336It's likely Hirokazu Kagawa came to Square enix with his game pitch and got denied. Then when he left the office, they said "ok make the game this guy pitched but without him" and he went to Bandai Namco to pitch there and got accepted.So both wound up making the same game.Wouldn't be the first time Square Enix blatantly stole everything and gave the people who worked on it the boot. They did the same with Cyberconnect2, firing them from the FF7 Remake project and kept all their work anyway.
>>738638510It's not exactly rocket science. You fix Final Fantasy by actually making a Final Fantasy game, and not these weird ARPG hybrids that nobody wanted the series to become. Turn based combat. Explorable world maps. A variety of vehicles to explore the world map with, and stop letting the Kingdom Hearts team write the stories.In short, go back to the evolution of the genre we were already getting with 1-10, and stop trying to reinvent the entire series from the ground up with each new game.In shorter short: Follow the Dragon Quest formula. Those games have evolved with the technology and QoL improvements, but are still very recognizable as Dragon Quest. In the case of FF, every have past 10 feels like part of a completely different series with the FF name slapped on it
>>738638673All of them.
>>738686441>turned based rpg>cool storydragon quest still does it
>>738686314this is not about the graphics.I look at these games and can already tell that I will spend way too much holding forward while nothing is happening.
>>738638673Casual FF fan here. Ive only played 7, 9, and 16.7 is corny as fuck9 is the goat16 is kino
>>738638673Final fantasy tactics + advance + A2FF12Maybe FFXOriginal FF7The rest are kinda whatever I suppose.
>>738662034Seifer is literally the new dictator.
>>738686441Not a single clear idea except "follow the dragon quest formula" which is a terrible idea and basically a way to kill FF.Never post again.
>>738686116This was a test to see how people buy games.Both are essentially the same game but Arise was party based, has a much better art style and graphics and no gay interracial couples kissing in alleyways.People still bought, played and discussed FF16 instead of Arise despite Arise being a better game (while still mediocre) just because the Final Fantasy brand was attached to 16.This told the japanese that players only buy games based on recognizable brand names.
>>738686515there not worth it. it's not real final fantasy>cheers
>>738638510Include more wacky and whimsical plot episodes, moogles and Ultros-like interludes. Include more female cast members and protags (they got hemmed in by the bro-trip in XV). Expurge all grime and grit, leave that to miserable WRPGs (The Witcher contaminated XVI). The role of FF is to present an ensemble (i.e. half female) cast in an anachronistic chic high fantasy setting with strong elements of whimsy and comic.
>>738638510>fantasy setting where anything exists, woah!>savannah/swamps/forest/mountainsthe fuck? ff7 takes place entirely in a cool cyberpunk city or something, doesn't it? why not do open world in that sort of environment?
>>738686296you seem confused
>>738638510If they let me save Aerith things will start looking up for square enix and final fantasy, I'll make sure of it.If they don't, then sadly their downfall will continue.
>>738686116Arise is a better game than XVI. I actually mean that and I'm not trying to shitpost here.
>>738686819can't even spell aerisu's name rightm you don't deserve her.
>>738686116There's no way they have that much in common.
>>738686885It is. Not that it's a high bar to clear and Arise is still kinda average, but it at least looks and plays better.
>>738640623159.
hate final fantasy so much it's unreal. their new games such major ass
>>738638629you don't know any better
>>738687031I was wary of the FFT remaster but it was good. I guess they don't know how to make an actually good new game though.
>>738686819her name is spelled Aeris you illiterate retarded
>>738687087hey that's a cheep shot. fft is actually my favorite one
Tifa featured in Dead or Alive, Tifa's Tifas five times bigger, naked Tifa in game, extra jiggly Tifa, explicit sex mini game with Tifa. Only this can save final fantasy.
>>738687121Same. Think we'll get Advance and A2 with voice acting sometime?
>>738687087>>738687121honestly war of the lions is my favorite version of my favorite final fantasy. I'm a proud heretic
>>738686542a2 is a huge dropoff from fft and ffta
i've never played a final fantasy game but i heard the fishing system is fun in xv. is it worth it to boot up just to fish?
>>738687210>fishingyou're thinking of beath of fire
>>738687210do you wanna slog through 30+ hours of the most dogshit game you'll ever experience just to fish for 30 minutes?
>>738639125if this came out today people would just complain that it has as much gameplay as that new Mixtape "game"
>>738687235does the first one have fishing?>>738687239no. people conveniently leave this part out
>>738687187I have the switch game. I got it for free.... I haven't played it yet even though I beat the shit out of fft ps1, and psp version
there are guys who will spend 17 hours seething about final fantasy being insulted on here who also refuse to let anyone say anything positive at all about xv, and probably other entries. it amuses me.
>>738687334you haven't played the breath of fire games?
>>738687210go for it
>>738687210The fishing minigame is honestly the best part of XV if you're into it.
>>738687352you can say what want, retard. doesn't mean it won't be criticized
>>738687393i've never played a JRPG longer than 4 hours without losing interest. i don't think it's a bad genre, i just always bounce off of them.
>>738687403gay I could do it one handed
>>738687480what games do you like?
>>738687452what wantwow you're right, I CAN say what want
>>738687352>You see this turd? Let's discuss how it's less smelly in some parts of it. That's basically your whole argument.
>>738687560it was a typo, and yes you can have your own opinion, even if it's retarded.
>>738687352It's funny how mad they got about this
>>738687707I don't think anyone is mad
>>738687210It's a great game. Really really fun.
>>738687547my favorite genre i mostly play is 'fighting games,' but i also like racing, sports games like golf and tennis, and whatever 'action' or 'adventure' games catch my eye here and there, all of this is is also mostly retro
>>738687435can we all agree fishing is the best mini game regardless of the franchise?
>>738645062only correct answer. this coming from someone who was absolutely insanely obsessed with squaresoft rpgs growing up.
>>738687804interesting. I like those types too... you don't play right rpgs?
>>738645062>>738687865Wrong, you retards
>>738687898>play rpgs
By making the Final Final Fantasy.
>>738687746say something critical of viir. even something small. then that will change very quickly.
>>738687910it isntthe only good ones are the older ones but, they were only good because of limited experiences with themif you come in late, having the experience of playing things that came after, it just wont hit the same
>>738676052>calls someone else an ESL>"Its undercooked">comma splice after "undercooked">"they... wants">"trough">"its a action game">comma splice after "game">"Its almost"
>>738639824kys
>>738687852Couldn't agree more.
>>738688039Nostalgia peasants actually believe this. It's like saying don't listen to music from the 60s because you were a stoned hippy feeling the love in the air. Just because your mommy rented the game for you from blockbuster, doesn't mean that was the only window in time a person can experience the game.
>>738688002what's viir?
>>738688197fuck yeah fishing kicks ass
>>738686885Arise would have been great if they let you combo larger enemies and bosses like Vesperia.
>>738688224*you weren't
>>738688224>muh nostalgiaholy illiteracy
>>738688237I'm not surprised you haven't heard of it. It was a recent flop from SE.
>>738686653>Arise was party basedBut the combat was fucking terrible. As for "it was party based", thats a thing, not a good or bad thing.>has a much better art style and graphicsDebatable i dont remember 3d anime being any good recently, its overused as fuck.
>>738688289people who don't experience nostalgia are the ones who complain the most
>>738688306that hardly narrows it down. thats over two decades of possibilities.
>>738688306squenix?
>>738688289That's exactly what it is and you have no counter-argument to my 60s example. Before you rebut with "It's not the same thing!", it's exactly the same thing. Shut your whore mouth up.
>>738688306Oh ok, I only care about games with aura like Stranger than Heaven.
>>738688401>doubles down on being illiterateI accept your concession
>>738688306>>738688360oh I looked it up on steam. there is a reason why I haven't seen it. it look retarded
>>738688403>devil may cry ho ho
Put the guys who made Octopath traveler in charge of it and make 3 niggas in a row games again.
>>738688224You're comparing evolution in tech + gaming to music; they're completely different.
>>738648703FF7R is so fucking ass I’ll never buy another SQUEENIX game again
>>738688306???
>>738688495I agree with this, or put people who made star ocean 2 r in place
>>738638752How do you feel about the fact they are giving Yoshi P more money?
>>738665483Extremely fucking gay
>>738688542man fuck ff7r
>>738688437>Dude, my mommy ordered me pizza and rented it from blockbuster. If you didn't play it front of your CRT tv in your jammies, you missed the gosh darn boat! It was too special of a time! Limited experience only! This board is never going to grow the fuck up>>738688516No they aren't, because the example is just part of the broader argument. >You shouldn’t watch silent films because you didn’t live before sound cinema.Tons of examples that you won't escape from.
I don't think there's any hope. The FFVII remake games are the most absurd, bloated abortions I have ever seen in my life and they somehow didn't learn their lesson from them
>>738648703>15 from lack of story but the problem with 16 were many. Out of the 3 games 16 had the most potential but the lack of party members and such strong focus on Clive alone I think hurt it a lot. But design wise I think 16 was the most competent mainline FF in a long timeSame.FFXVI was undercooked but the basis was stronger than FFXV. Better story, better graphics, better basic combat mechanics and in general had stronger direction.>FF7R is hands down the best game Square has ever made though. Best combat, best music, best characters, best mini-games, etc.Yeah, that too.
>>738688542nobody can ever have anything nice...
>>738688701they're raping a dead horse
>>738638670It's known colloquially as "4 niggas in a row", my good chap.
>>738688701>>738688737everyone who is intelligent can see it. it's a shit show
>>738688759plebbit wizards aren't welcome here
>>738688701They keep doubling down on DMC slop, when Persona 5 four niggas in a row keeps outselling them by miles. Even Exp 33 sold hot cakes. Not that it even matters, because they can't write a game to save their lives anymore.
>>738650551Yyyy
>>738689017None of the people involved in the success of their early games is still there, nobody has any idea how to actually innovate in the rpg space anymore or how to write a good story. They just have dozens of nobodies who've been with them for 30 years who have seniority now making retarded decisions because all the people with ideas retired.
>>738638670>make boomer slop great againWhy?
>>738675842Yeah AND ALSO GET MP RECHARGES AFTER BATTLE,FUCK ETHERS
>>738689193it's better than generic, derivative action rpg slop and it's the only thing square has ever done well
>>738688702Square died. It didn't make 7r.The last Square FF was FFX.
What final fantasy needs is more cyoa inspirations. Like outer worlds but final fantasy
>>738687898>>738687945no i do not
>>738688805I don't know what the fuck that means, but I'm sure as an expert on all things rest, you'll kindly explain it to me.
redpill me these kinos. ive never played a single title in my life cause i hate turn based rpg gameplay but im willing to endure that and give one a chance for the sake of story/characters.
>>738689406Sure, anon
>>7386895364-10 Take your pick
>>738689390Not gonna happen. Either learn how to press more than one button on a controller or play on easy mode.
>>738639785looks souless ngl
>>738638510Turn based combat, classes, party composition customization.There's a reason everyone thinks 10 was the last good one.
>>738689721Stinky bait
Make another game with combat like in Final Fantasy 12, but with more going on.
>>7386895366, 7, 9, 10 are all elite4, 5, 8 are all good to great 1 is awesome, but dated.2 is awesome but weird and dated3, 12, 13 are fine15 might as well be called Potential Man16 was good, but it was an action game not an RPG11 was the best MMO ever made in 2004, but all MMOs whither with time.14 is a good Final Fantasy story, but a pacing of "500 hours" can be difficult. It gives a LOT of character development but that's just so much for some people.
>>738638673Don't know about all these other anons but I was recommended 10 as my first entry since it was the most beginner friendly and the shit didn't even feel like a fucking game let alone an RPG. Every 5 seconds I would walk I would get interrupted by shit. It was literally >walk through small area/corridor>cutscene>Walk through small area/corridor>cutscene>walk>start battle that you can't lose unless you're actually retarded>walk>cutsceneI got about 12 hours in before I dropped it. I like RPG's especially JRPGs but goddamn I never played one that did this shit. Even nu-Persona(everything 3 and forward) which is synonymous with being a cutscene simulator lets you take control of the reigns and do what you want after 2-4 hours. The battle system seemed interesting too but it didn't matter much since I never got to do anything. Then I asked this board about it and they said pretty much all of the game and other FF's are like this. Why not just make a fucking movie man
>>738690237It took you over 12 hours to get passed Besaid Island?? Fucking how.
>>738690364No I got further than that. I dropped it right after entering Guadosalam
>>738690605Oh my bad, I didn't realize how hyperbolic you were being about "cut scene simulator". That's well passed the point where the reins are off and you can go where you want and do what you want.
>>738690864>That's well passed the point where the reins are off and you can go where you want and do what you want.What? Anon, X is exactly as linear as XIII is. There's nowhere to go and nothing to do except forward and story.
>>738690975You can go back to old areas if you want (to, say, play blitzball). Are you just talking about the fact that there's no world map? That is true, that is a classic JRPG element that they got rid of.
>>738670617>posting AI upscale trash
>>73868342716 didn't have a party. The characters are crucial
>>738672092Everything they hate about FF comes from Toriyama, Nojima and Kitase, but Nomura draws the pictures so they think he is in charge of FF like it's his fucking manga series or something
>>738678967That's not watercolorAmano uses ink washes and acrylics mostlyYou niggers are uneducated
>>738688542I thought the first one was pretty alright. Did they fuck up the second?
>>738685453Not really. It's not a road trip when you just hang around one county for 70% of the game, then get put on a literal train to the end boss
>>738691370>(to, say, play blitzball)And?Don't stop there anon, AND?>w-w-well the other minigames! You know, for the celestial weapons!FFX has abysmal side content. Battle system? Decent. Story? Great. Visuals? On point. But the side content is fucking garbage and not worth engaging with at all.The game is horribly linear and the minigames are actively hostile to the player's time and enjoyment.
>>738638510If you want another classic Final Fantasy, play Fantasian. It's like the long-lost brother to FF6-9, and it has the best battle design of any turn-based rpg out there.
>>738691940So wait, if the story and gameplay are great, why do you care if it's linear? Do you say the same thing about Legend of Dragoon or Lunar Silver Star Story? There's always a single "next story location to head to".>BlitzballActually the GOATed JRPG mini gameI'll concede that not much else in the game comes close, but is that really what you play JRPGs for? What's your favorite one?
>>738638510More rape
>>738691935It WAS supposed to be a road trip around the world, but the game was rushed out so you only get to explore about 1/4 of the entire map limiting it to just one small countryside. Real shame because Niflheim looks way more interesting than Lucis, which is pretty plain.
>>738691940All FFs are linear, that's not a complaint for XBlitzball itself, the biggest piece of side content, was fucking great. Loved it as much as the main gameThe monster arena was goodCollecting Aeons, excellent.The Qactuar sidequest was cuteOmega Dungeon was greatChocobo dodger, butterfly molesting, and lightning dodging were shit.So more good than bad.
>>738692328>game that took 10 years to make was rushed outincompetence is the only excuse for this shit
ff8 but better gfx. periot.
>>738692508It got scrapped and rebooted in 2013 so realistically, that's only like three years of dev time for an open world game. You saw how bad it was at launch, the game was barely functional.
>>738638510romance and marriage character quests for xiv
I'll never understand why this board love FFVIII so much. Is it because the E33 devs mentioned that game and this board is filled with reddit faggots?
>>738692508Versus was basically sabotaged for years because the team kept getting pulled to save other games. First they needed XIII to be saved and ported, then they pulled the team to fix XIV's absolute disaster of a launch and make 2.0SE had fucked up the brand so hard they had no mainline XV planned at all so decided to take this project and rename it to fill the gap and FINALLY gave them the full production greenlight.By this time it had been like 7 fucking years and SE demanded they change platforms and engines, basically needing to start from scratch. There was no way this thing was going to make its money back, it was a lost cause at that point through no fault of the dev team who wanted to work on it. SE considered XIII and XIV "too big to fail" and sacrificed Versus to save them
>>738638510i just played stellar blade for the first time and they should make the combat gameplay more fun like that
>>738692893Versus was the fucking MGSV of SEUnbelievable hype train that was crippled by internal Jap politics and weakly limped onto shelves instead of blowing the roof off like they were supposed to
>>738692893>>738693091I don't think SE will ever recover from this absolute blunder. The scale of disappointment cannot be measured, not just in the fanbase but in the morale of SE's employees ever since.
>>738638656if only>>738638669this>>738638673Dissidia, FF 7 Remake and Rebirth, FF8, FF13(only the first one), FFX, FF9. Only those ones
>>738639125this is FF15 thought just with a crooked camera angle. most of the stuff in that footage you can basically do in the version we got
>>7386386736 onwards are all kino
>>738693247They're attempting to, and I can't wait to see how they'll fuck it up.
>>738680362Lolis are any short girl with below-average breast size now, grandpa. Get with the times.
>>738639750X is the most perfect game in the franchise. The story is easy to follow. The characters and factions are easy to understand. It doesn't get convoluted or left up to interpretation until the very end. which is the best kind of ending. Good music, Great setting and lore, great party and characters. If they made 5 more games in this games foot prints with different twists and tweaks, The franchise would be far more successful today.
>>738665856Micheal Jackson pose, so that's about it and he wasn't a pedo while triggered /tv/ posters talk about him alot.
>>738695829That's a JoJo pose, dumbass. You're on an anime board and you don't even know that?
>>738638510I really want to play FF16 on my Xbox but im poor now. Ive been told it flopped so why its not in goypass and why base edition keys still are 37$+ really nigga.
>>738692328>road trip around the worldThey basically made 16 a new genre (in that it's not an RPG, it's an action game) and I really wish they'd been so bold with 15."Bros on a road trip" as an open ended sandbox kind of game would have been based. Like the Mercenaries style game, but Final Fantasy themed.
>>738638510the time between releases is far worse than anything actually in any of the mainline games
>>738695951You're a JoJo pose.
Ds style remasters of 5 and 6Then make a new game that is just 5 with 16’s graphics
>>738638510Make it Nintendo-exclusive again and it will magically get better. The series has been cursed since I personally cursed it when they put it on Sony Cringestation. Not even joking this madness can all end very easily. There's a reason why Crystal Chronicles is a masterpiece while the shit you got on PS2 was absolute dog shit.
>>738697031What a retarded ass opinion.
>>738665956How old is this fucking picture?
>>738639269Nomura literally the only thing keeping Square alive. 7 remake trilogy and KH4 are the only things they have going for them.
>>738697031VII VIII IX was the peak of the franchise
>>738639545XVI is actually not an open world. It's a sham. Tiny arenas that don't connect to each other and you navigate by selecting points on a map. X did a better open world than it 20 years ago.
>>738697075Kill yourself snoy
>>7386971738 is terrible and 9 was alright but generally the series went downhill from 7 onward
>>738697292Blame Nintendo for sticking cartridges when CDs were better at the time and the industry was moving towards them.
>>738697334VIII is really good actually
>>738697402No it isn't
>>738697375Stupidest opinion ever. Cartridges were better. PS1 couldn't even handle the menu screen from Chrono Trigger without having to make you sit through a loading screen every time you open it. Outperformed by SNES literally.
>>738638510mre tits
>>738697458It really is though
People still talk about Versus in 2026...this is shitposting and trolling at this point.
>>738697560That's an ad. The actual game sucks.
>>738697560This dude was the coolest thing i had ever seen in my life as a kid. Cut my hair just like him, pieced my ear, and got a nice silver necklace.
>>738692109I actually rated FFX an A up above. I like X. But in terms of side and endgame content it's one of the worst stinkers of all time. Even XIII is better.My main point was that it's ridiculous to say that FFX "opens up and you can go back and do anything" when there's nowhere to go and nothing to do.>>738692358>All FFs are linearYou know full well there's a difference between the story being linear and the entire world being literally a hallway with a bubble in the middle. And XIII has the same problem so I'm not just hating on X.>Monster ArenaTedious and annoying grind so you can grind to fill out the tedious and annoying sphere grid for... nothing. Remakes added a boss and a trophy, waow>collecting aeonsThree extra aeons is barely anything, although it's nice that there are extras to collect. Makes it feel like summoners matter and don't just exist for the story of FFX.>cactaursFar too much backtracking, annoying simplistic minigame.>blitzballI could never get into it. If others like it fine, but it's a LOT of work to get Wakka's celestial weapon to the point that it's just not worth doing if you don't really like blitzball.>Omega DungeonLiterally one hidden dungeon.
>>738697560>Toyota ECHODude VIII really does have the deepest lore
>>738698043You’re an ad for condoms
>>738698195>Even XIII is better.That's because the combat was made for a 3 unit party and for some incomprehensible reason, they make you wait 40 hours before they give you more than 2
>>738698195>>blitzball>I could never get into it.Then you don't like games
>>738697221Thank God. The areas were big enough that they were interesting to walk through to see all the shit in them, but they didn't have realtime walking across an entire continent every time you wanted to do a side quest.
>>738698445I have issues with keeping track of spatial stuff when the graphics are bad and the camera is fixed. I can BARELY play PS1 fixed camera FFs. I get lost instantly in doom and wolfenstein. Blitzball is a nightmare if I don't stare at the minimap only and if I'm doing that the game is just objectively unfun.>>738698395You get three in chapter 10 and that's not forty hours in.Granted it's like 15-20 if you're not speedrunning and skipping every cutscene so it's not good either, but the combat system does kind of need to be introduced bit by bit. It was too ambitious for most players even then.I give XIII extra points for having an extremely high skill ceiling for the battle system and actual good fights/hunts that reward high skill play. Adamantoises, a few of the later cieth hunts, bart.
