>>738645194
>play for 30 minutes
>fps drops from 60 to 30
>crashes
gee I wonder

>>738645194
>Remake old game
>Keep all the old bugs, even add new ones
>Change machinery under the hood. Entire skills and weapon types now totally worthless
>Change in art style makes game less fantastical
>Yellow piss filter on everything, previously was bright and vibrant
>Didn't bother to fix level scaling enemies, actually made them worse
>Manages to make character models uglier, now in 4k
>Basically forgotten by devs after 2 patches

There's a lot of reasons.

>>738645293
Don't forget it's also UE so the modding scene is dead by default.

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>>738645194
They just slapped a UE5 layer ontop of an ancient engine that is still prone to crash and a game that badly needed some actual redesign work like overhauling the level scaling, loot system, dungeon layout and adding some love to the melee combat like actual didmemeberment and other cool stuff. It's also not as easy to mod and they didn't even give out proper tools. At this point it's just better to wait for skyblivion so things from skyrim can be ported over at least.

old good new bad

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>>738645501
New bad because good reason

because a bunch of poor thirdies that havent upgraded their hardware in a decade and a half think they should be able to run every game under the sun. besides, i dont think it's hated so much as forgotten. it came and went. sad, really. oblivion gates look fucking awesome at least.

Because it runs worse than CP2077 with pathtracing and ray reconstruction on while looking like a 2010 Unreal tech demo taking away the high fantasy charm of modded Oblivion

>>738645194
woke demake

>>738645194
>now
non-buynary

>>738645686
>>738645501
its literally the same game lol

>>738645790
sex is replaced by bodytype A/B
the different stats between sexes is replaced by background
female-specific gear was changed to male
you are disingenuous

>>738645194
Oblivion was always bad, even in 2006. Everyone memory holed themselves to how bad it was just because they remastered it, or they simply weren't alive or sentient when it came out.
It was shit on for its leveling system. It was shit on for its green filter. It was shit on for its bugs and performance. It was shit on for its story.
It sold millions because everyone thought it would be like Morrowind.

>>738645790
It's literally not. There is a fuck ton that was changed even before you get to the model and texture changes. Male and Female character models now consistently use just the male armor sets. Several statues all across the world had their busts removed and/or their depictions changed. One even breaks a lore blurb with the Night Mother. She sacrifices 5 of her children to Sithis, the stone slab depicting this was changed to 4. The entirety of the gameplay was also changed that it's mechanically a very different game as well, but that would take even longer to explain.

>>738645293
>Keep all the old bugs, even add new ones
They made sure to fix the beneficial bugs like the NPC you could paralyze and still endless money from

>>738645194
Because it's a jeeted up fucking mess.

Launch the game and then KCD2, compare graphics and then compare the FPS.

You'll understand.

>>738645194
It's the same old Oblivion, with updated graphics & a few QoL update - only contrarians seeking attention "hate" on it. After 80h in - it's great.

>>738645194
They patched it once half assed and then left it dead?
That's why for me, the cunts can't even be bothered to patch it at least a few more times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sBFzW17VaA

also cant wait for fallout 3 remaster, where the sheep will meeeeh gobble it up and quit 4 hours in after writing a review how awesome the new graphics are

>Looks worse than Cyberpunk, Crimson Desert and Black Myth Wukong all of which run fine on mid tier hardware like 5070 RTX and Ryzen 5000/7000 series
>Requires a NASA PC to get to 60 fps at upscaled resolution, with a $500 CPU to not bottleneck even mid tier GPUs
It's like others said, it's like slapping some total conversion ENB DX12 mod onto Oblivion's old ass engine that runs on 20 years old code and acting surprised when it runs like shit. Also, I hate the uncanny valley effect that modern Unreal Engine graphics give me.

>>738645501
This.

Anyone who buys Bethesda games is top tier NPC Goyim

>>738645194
Because it's just not that good of a "bethesda game", especially compared to Skyrim. It's good, as good as it was in 2006 but that's about it. The only mechanic it really has that puts it ahead of Skyrim is spellcrafting, so unless you are a SUPER DIE HARD CASTER FAG, there really is no reason to go back to Oblivion, even REblivion.

>>738645194
I liked it. The only real criticism is performance, other than that it's the gold standard for remakes

>>738645194
>unoptimized
>abandoned
>can't mod without going through hoops and leaps

>>738646619
>>738648316
Bethesda subreddit is that way.
Also
>"golden standard for remakes" is just slapping UE5 in there, adding new bugs, messing with a bunch of shit and then just dropping it with zero support
Thinks you hear only from bethesda drones.

>>738648515
>monkey brain sees unreal engine and starts seething uncontrollably
it plays exactly the same as the og

>>738645194
what made it great back then were the disgusting sex mods, but zoomers are afraid of nudity in videogames so what's left is a shitty open world game.

>>738645194
the original game doesn't hold up either

>>738645858
it was good for 2006. everyone liked it back then

>>738645858
That never happened tho, you are just a delusional morrowslop fanboy. Morrowind is shit btw

>>738648596
just watch porn unc.
gooning to vidya is cringe af.

>>738648596
Yeah I've noticed a GAY and LAME counter culture from zoomers and gen alphas that they picked up by """alpha male""" grifters like Andrew Tate and the likes.
They act like eunuchs to impress the ladies, who proceed to treat them like the cucks they are.
Pretty funny.

>>738645194
Check the wiki
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Remastered_Bugs#Regressions

>>738645194
it's a 30fps game

>>738648576
nta, but to me it felt like a tech demo and that they may be contemplating doing TES6 in UE5 instead of putting a shit ton of time developing their own Creation Engine

>>738649261
>>738649391
It did happen though, Selling well doesn't mean it wasn't shit on.

>>738645194
I played it 20 years ago

>>738645194
I was excited to play it until I saw comparisons with the original. It looks like soulless unreal slop now and i can't unsee it.

>>738645248
>initial framerate was 60fps
There's your problem, poorfag.

>>738645194
>now
anyway, I never played the original and I was gifted this so I felt obligated to play it. I enjoyed it until I hit some usual tes jank. the sheogorath dlc wasn't fun at all and I don't get why people were shitting themselves crazy over him/it.

>>738645194
Just mod the original into whatever you want, itll not only look better, but work 100x better.

>>738645194
people played it for first time without mods and there are better options for porn than modding oblivion, so people realize its dog shit and always was.

>>738645501
more like old bad new bad. this is oblivion we're talking about.

why did they have to destroy the leveling system
why did bethesda hire people that make adjustments to the game based on uninformed youtube videos

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>>738645194
Doesn't matter, Skyblivion will succeed where the official remaster failed

Oblivion Remastered hasn't crashed for me a single time but the performance is abysmal with constant stuttering (DF shows this). The fact that you cannot disable RT and must use either hardware or software RT is fucking disgusting.

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>>738645658

The default difficulty it's literally impossible to die, and then you bump it up one and it's literally impossible to win

>>738658152
>play normally
>1/3rd of the way through the game and you now turned every bandit into a full daedric/glass wielding menace
why change the leveling but NOT the scaling??? the scaling was why the leveling was so bad in the original

i hate the new voices
i hate how it looks
it crashes too much
the mod selection is shit
the scaling is still shit
you level too fucking fast

>>738649124
post another open world rpg with dynamic physics and every object being interactable.

the color and art design is just bland and in some cases ugly compared to the original

>>738658385
I agree that the difference between normal and one tick up is too much, but just like the original, the game expects you to know how to take advantage of its systems to actually deal damage (poison, weakness spells, enchants, conjuration). so a difficulty mode that still feels like somewhat of a challenge even if you master the systems does feel nice to have

>>738658407
they did nerf some HP values but that led to everything being too weak and then the higher difficulty options throw that out the window anyway.

the original system with only a few nerfs to a few enemies hp like the clannfear wouldve been perfect.

and maybe some kind of anti power level measure so people dont have the world outscale them by sitting there leveling alteration to 100 spamming the unlock spell for 2 hours

>>738645194
Can't really mod it and it's poorly optimized.

>>738645415

What game is that?

Seeing a highwayman in full glass armor demand 100 gold from me always make me laugh.

If he sold his armor, he could literally buy a house in any city in Cyrodiil.

>>738659479
Skyrim

>>738645658

Kielbasa sausage in the mouff.

It annoys me because there are some things I really like about the remaster.
The perks and leveling system are better.
The new health values and the changes to swing speed feel better.
Of course the small hit reactions on enemies help a lot.
I need to play around with the .esp files some more. See if its possible to backport the changes i liked.

>>738645194
It runs like shit and requires a ridiculous amount of storage space. It doesn’t have the same modding support either.
Dogshit all around.

>>738645194
>1 year later
>still a broken mess
devs completely abandoned it

>>738661541
>The perks and leveling system are better.
hell no. there being almost no difference between major/minor skills is objectively worse. your class doesnt matter and you dont get to RP anything. you can simply do everything with ease and you'll be leveling so quickly that you'll be skipping entire armor tiers.
>The new health values and the changes to swing speed feel better.
health values are a step in the right direction, swing speed no. two handed is useless now
>Of course the small hit reactions on enemies help a lot.
theyre purely visual. there's actually less pushback in the remaster so its harder to strategically avoid enemy hits by outranging them

They did too much and severely nerfed modding. Should have just ported it to the Starfield engine and fixed faces and LODs.

>>738658437
Skyrim.

>>738661541
I like that leveling attributes isn’t dependent on which skills you used that particular level. And Endurance scaling so that you aren’t forced to max it out right away.

>>738662059
Major skills level faster. You pick a class that is what you want to play and you get rewarded for it.
I don't get the RP complaint. Not being able to do something is not roleplay.

I know its purely visual. But it adds a lot more weight to the combat then the original.
The two handed problem should have been fixed with a flat buff to the damage on two handed weapons but its a minor issue.

>>738663034
>Major skills level faster.
doesnt matter. you can use your minor skills just fine and level up doing that and it wont feel slow at all. I installed a mod reducing minor skill XP to 25% and it still felt too fast. you will gain levels simply running/walking around even if you didnt pick acrobatics/athletics. it's retarded. magic leveling quicker the higher your level gets is retarded as well. this shit is indefensible.

>I don't get the RP complaint. Not being able to do something is not roleplay.
how does an orc warrior EASILY becoming a master ofevery magic school make any sense RP-wise?

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>>738645415
>female avatar

>>738645194
Lots of people hate remakes/remasters on principle.

>>738663528
After getting out of prison he went to the mage academy and studied really hard? You control the buttons you press man.

Skill growth felt fine to me. But i just picked knight and practiced enough illusion to hit on dremora chicks. (Not worth it. They have 0 personality)

>>738663528
>how does an orc warrior EASILY becoming a master ofevery magic school make any sense RP-wise?
by not bringing your racist orc=black mindset into the game

>>738645415
Is that your own or a wabbajack modlist

Are there mods to remove the piss filter and scale NPC mouth size and mouth animation intensity down by 30%?

>>738664474
Also there is the misconception that magic is hard. The mages guild works tries to keep up this pretense. Monopolizing magic and trying to keep it out of the common knowledge. But while true acts of high magic are difficult any halfwit can muster enough magical power to summon minor dremora or kill a man.

>>738664708
My own