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>when retards on /v/ try shilling hoyoverse or arknights slop gacha games
If it's not fun then why bother
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don't wanna miss out on those dailies
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gachaslavery had been a disaster for modern gaming and I STILL don't understand how retards keep throwing money at it. Asians I understand since they've got a glitch in their brains that makes them infinitely more prone to gambling but the west...? why?
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>>738663870
The word "shill" has lost all definition. People like you not only advertise gacha games more than people who actually play them, but you also nonstop post about them either in threads like these or you willingly go into threads about games you dislike and seethe there. A GaCHAD doing his dailies is still playing more video games per day then a retarded faggot who sits on /v/ seething all day.
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>>738663870
buy an ad, youtuberfag
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>>738663870
I've talked to people who would spend 8 hours a day getting 1 premium gem because one day they might be able to actually spend it on something. Gacha are consistently attempts to get someone to spend their life savings on microtransactions by showing pretty women that you could get if you spent money, and making the actual game part tedious if you aren't using pay 2 win shit. They are free games though, and some of them are worth playing for free if you're into them. The reasonable response to starting a gacha game is deciding to limit your spending, maybe to $0, and if the game isn't very fun, uninstall it and do something else.
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>>738665676
>HURR GOYIM PLEASE IGNORE do not notice the fact that fujo foids just got snowbreak censored to oblivion
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>>738663870
My silver wife
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>73866457
Lol
Lmao
Bugmen who play gacha for dailies is not a Chad you absolute subhuman retard
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>>738665676
these are literally paid shill posts, nothing else

anyway there's no reason to play gacha games, or any games that have lootboxes, gems, premium currency or any of these ultrajew systems. anyone playing these games is an idiot.
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>>738665036
My limit for F2P spending is
>$0 to start with
>$20 if I enjoy it as much as an average indie game I'd spend money on
>$60 if I enjoy it as much as the rare AAA I'd spend money on
>$60/year if I'm both actively enjoying it and playing the endgame content
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eventually terndies will get another game and not have all day to seethe about other games
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Rate my build
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>>738666514
retarded gachanigger/10
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>>738666514
Same as everyone else's.
That's the problem with post 2.0 HSR.
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>>738666514
>sub 200spd
Trash/10.
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>>738663870
>/v/ try shilling hoyoverse or arknights slop gacha games
90% of the times it's bottom of barrel gacha like>>738665676
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>nooo you should play life service lootbox games like CS or Dota instead!
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>>738663870
Teaching the kids young, that their life is being a wage slave and the rich kids can play with the newest toy every month
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But it is fun.
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Gacha games have just taken over the MMORPG players, what surprises me is that there's no company that makes a gacha game that isn't restricted by mobile and mobile users. Endfield showed that the majority of players play on PC anyways.
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>>738663997
>I STILL don't understand how retards keep throwing money at it.
I don't understand why people even play them in the first place.
Just why? If you want a game with cute anime girls just play some galge VN that has actual story and character development and all. If you want ecchi artworks just play some nukige. If you want gameplay just play some VN + JRPG hybrid or play one of many anime styled action video games.

What the fuck is the point of playing gachia?
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>>738663870
>You're maintaining gacha accounts not playing them

This is true. Quitting a gacha feels liberating in a way no normal game's end does, because you literally have more hours in the day after that. 99% of what you do in these games (and let's be real - it applies to all other kinds of GAAS games too, not just gachas) is just working to make sure you don't lose rewards. 1% is the fun part.
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>>738666785
At least those games have good gameplay unrelated to the lootboxes
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>this same thread every day for 5 years
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>>738663870
I play genshin for 15 minutes a day tops, compared to the 4 hours of grinding I used to do in RO, this is nothing
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>>738666785
>if you don't want to eat shit it means you must be a pee drinker
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>>738663870
>Maintaining
We live in very dangerous times where "maintaining" things is getting less rewarded than compared to chimping out
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>>738667210
>still pretending you're having fun 5 years later
gacha is the true sisyphean game
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>>738667626
I am, no need to pretend
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>>738663870
>you're watching movies, not playing games
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>you're watching your childhood get raped for quick bucks, not playing games
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>>738663870
I don't play gacha at all thoughbeit
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>you're learning how to be a better man™, not playing games
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>>738663870
He's 100% correct, gacha players are worse than battered wives. Every cancerous predatory practice know to man(FOMO, battlepass, dailies, P2W, lootboxes) turned up to 11 and shoved into one product. And 3rd world SEA creatures will tell you it's all good thing because it plays on smartphones which is the only technology they can afford and is """"free""""".
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>you're eating dogshit, not playing games
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>>738663870
idk if osrs counts as gacha but i use it to kill time
kinda fun picking virtual plants and being cozy
not as fun as osrs before jagex ruined it
the pvp was my shit
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>>738668007
>>738667902
>>738667813
>but what about
lmao
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>you don't even play
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>you're just waiting shit to happen, it won't
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>you're learning to pay for the same game for the 17th time
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>>738663870
I love how players of these cancerous corpo goyslop gacha games are always the most leftist tranny niggers ever. They love supporting big companies raping their wallets and siphoning big bucks into homophobic chinamen’s bank accounts
>>738667902
Crowbharat spotted
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uh oh, SEAmonkey melty!
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Imagine gaming being so shit thanks to shitty studios that mobile games getting ported because they are somewhat more fun or atleast have something to look forward to instead to getting force fed with dry shit
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>pajeet gets absolutely buttblasted itt
lmao you love to see it
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>>738668007
GOOOOOOOOOOODS
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Man I'm a old man that play GBF I don't care about any of this shit.
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>this post was sued for copyright infringement
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>>738667813
>>738667902
>>738668007
>>738668189
>>738668287
>>738668369
>>738668487
All better than gachatrash
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>>738665676
notice how mods allow this shit but god forbid someone makes a stardew valley or skyrim thread.
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>you're watching steamcharts and twitter posts, not playing games
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I enjoyed Nikke's minigames
esp the math one
the maid/christmas ones were also fun
the barbeque one had hints laced in the event about what foods each character preferred on their skewer
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>>738668692
stardew valley threads devolve into lolicon threads
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>>738668614
>Playing grantroon fujo fantasy
Go back to your general tranny
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>>738667813
>>738667902
>>738668007
>>738668189
>>738668287
>>738668369
>>738668487
>>738668623
>AAA is shit
>gachia is shit
Now you are getting it.
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>Gachafag got bootyblasted
Kek & lel
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>>738668765
black souls is the most overrated porn game out there, next to superhuman and karin's prison
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>>738667626
6*
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>>738669198
>overrated porn game
True. You come for porn, but stay for lore.
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I coomed 3 times today to gacha girls
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>>738669574
me too
i also hate gacha, won't ever play any gacha even if someone put a gun to my head
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>>738669574
Cooming is fine
CCP shills spamming damage control threads for Chinese games on /v/ daily is not
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There is no way gachafags think they are better than anyone. I would even play concord over a gavhaslop
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Let's post real game that make gachatards seethe.

I'll start

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUrFCyw5le4
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>>738669668
i don't do it for china, i do it because i know it gets you mad
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>>738667071
Gacha allow you to play multiple anime girls. The closet game to a gacha I hear is xenoblade 2 and that's it. A single player game you might get 8 max usually. Gacha games are a weird hybrid of casual gameplay and a princess raising sim with a lot of money invested in that single player games don't have. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of shitty things about them but that wasn't your question.
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>>738666428
Yeah that's about what I would recommend. If you're having fun playing a game, it's probably worth 20 bucks. There's no way it's worth 1000 bucks, though.
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>>738663870
Yup
It's a waste of life, like paying to do chores daily
It's disgusting and pathetic
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>>738663870
Yes.
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>>738666514
>Silver Wolf
didn't read, 10/10
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>>738663870
WoW and FF XIV are the same though.
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>>738670153
>Gacha allow you to play multiple anime girls
>A single player game you might get 8 max usually
Plenty of games have multiple anime girls. Especially JRPGs. Neptunia has huge cast. Kamidori and other Eushully games usually have dozens of playable girls.
Also why is the large cast of characters a good thing if none of them will be really fleshed out like a characters in games that have actual story? You don't have to play one game forever, just play various games that feature girls you like.
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Gacha slop will never have high stake
Gacha slop will never have an ending unless they EoS
Gacha slop will never have compeling characters since its cast is always 90% anime girls
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every day i open my phone and do my dailies which is my anki reps and then kanji study, and then i read a bit
sometimes it gets a bit tedious, and then i remind myself that i could've been born as a subhuman gachanigger, and i regain all of my motivation
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>>738663870
There's definitely a subset of humanity whose lives would massively improve if they learned and practiced self control. Gachaslop preys upon your lack of self control.
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>>738667247
I wish I could drink Diana's pee.
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>>738663870
Imagine wasting your time on gachashit
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>>738663870
>If it's not fun then why bother
I'm having fun though.
But I do agree that plenty of people who clearly stopped enjoying it continue anyway because of some sunk cost fallacy.
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>>738666514
Seems decent enough.
I don't have her LC and got unlucky on that box event thing, so I barely crossed the 160 SPD threshold, kek
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>>738667079
>1% is the fun part.
Truke
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The one thing that keep me playing gacha are the high quality models and animations that are simply missing from other, regular anime games.
Not to mention that many of them, despite having a simplistic combat system, actually boast really satisfying feedback.
Gacha model is dogshit but I honestly enjoy them because they give me what I can't get elsewhere.
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I have a coworker obsessed with gacha and its kinda sad to see honestly. I really tried to make him enjoy real games but bro is too far gone
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>>738666896
I feel like ZZZ is a PC/console game that only has a mobile client in case you're away from home and quickly want to do some dailies, kek
The game is basically unplayable of the phone
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>>738671134
>Picrel
That's genuinely scary
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>>738670824
>Gacha slop will never have an ending unless they EoS
PNC had an ending, as did GFL
Although I'll admit that MICA is special in this regard.
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>>738663997
I don't pay for pulls since quitting PSO2
Nothign wrong with a F2P game with microtransactions, but I agree that the vast majority of them DO NOT have shame and will ask insane prices for characters, cosmetics and whatever.

Like for example Where WInds Meet allegedly had some boat you'd have to dish 40k to buy, absolute insanity.
Then you have tencent infested Path of Exile, where shitty armor skins and wings can go upwards of 300-600 dollars.

I fucking hate the people who are willing to pay prices like these, but in turn it means the game will be succesfull and the devs will make more of it.
..but on the flip side, it means everyone will copy them and do the exact same soulless greed
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>>738670824
Sounds much like the MMOslops I've been wasting my life on before gacha games came around. Minus anime girls part
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>>738671339
It's great. The companies can afford to put a ton of budget and money into the games because of how much they make. lots of anime games are very low budget because they have to account for how much they will make
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>gachaseethers are still a thing
yuck!
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>>738671972
Doing BA dailies everyday after work sucks bro
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>>738666743
>implying arknights isn’t yet another genshin clone slop
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>>738671923
>i'm going to go to a casino because there's hot bitches there
embarrasing
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>>738663870
I actually like the idea of collecting cute waifus in a decently fun game with a decent story. Too bad gachas devolve into being a chore and not fun to play as you say.
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>>738663870
>x, not y
holy llm generated slop
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rape and lynch all gachatroons
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>>738671923
>forced tranimation
>le good
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>>738671134
>>738671615
>porn stays up
>this gets deleted
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>>738671923
Compare that to this and it's hilarious
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>>738672603
Pretty sure WoW (and really any active Blizzard product) is nothing more than a humiliation ritual for paypigs.
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>>738670816
You understand gachas are one of those various games. No one is saying to only play gachas. Also, they're free so barrier to entry is usually low. Gachas usually flesh them out pretty well through whatever bond mechanic. Story is usually poor, I agree.
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>>738672603
>weapons aren't even touching while the clash happens
lmao
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why are gachatroons obsessed with mmoslop…could it be…they are mmotrannies?!?!?!?
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>>738672842
Ex mmotrannies
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>>738672748
Yea, but why would you waste your time on such a nothing game instead of playing fleshed out games with actual stories, interesting gameplay and characters that aren't 1D. Unless you just don't want to spent your time looking for games and just want to play random popular slop to waste time (and money). But then you are no better than FIFA players in my eyes.
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I actively wish for gacha players to suffer. I enjoy it when their games get more monetized, I enjoy it when they lament on here about how unfair a game is, and I especially enjoy it when their game gets shut down. I actively cheer for gacha addicts to get impaled and bled dry by their games. What is this sensation called?
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>>738672842
I know a lot of people who used to be into MMOs and are now knee deep in gachashit. It effectively fills the same niche.
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>>738672603
>the world's most succesful game,
>literally has sucked monthly payments from idiots for over two decades

>this is the level of animation they're willing to put in ACTUAL in game cutscenes that aren't prerendered.
I'm glad I don't care about WoW or blizzard, otherwise I'd be asking for a refund (for everything)
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>>738673006
Rofl. Gameplay is fine. Story is passable. Characters are cute. If that's similar to fifa to you that's fine. Also, just don't spend money. This conversation is like asking why I watch slice of life anime when lord of the rings exists.
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>>738672842
Gachafags are primarily ex-mmofags yeah
Why else do you think they are fine with constant spending and digital chores?
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>tendies are seething
>again
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Love me some gacha girls
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>>738663870
Maintaining the account is part of the game.
If you don't like playing some small amount every day, then don't play gachas.
If you're the type to cry about how you're doing the same thing over and over just because there isn't a new enemy and a new move for you to use on them, then don't play gachas.
I am playing the gachas I do because I enjoy how it feels to accrue resources on the long term and spend them in bursts.
I feel bad for the people who are genuinely vulnerable to FOMO, but I don't want the game to alter its design just to account for their lack of discipline.
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>>738673058
I dont know but I feel the same
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>>738666896
Limbus Company.
It has less than 1000 paying players on IOS (we know because a refund they once had to issue only went out to 300 people) but tops Steam revenue charts every time it gets a big enough update.
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I play ZZZ and threw some money at it because it's good, it's that simple. I tried Wuwa, Nikke and Trickcal and did not have fun so I dropped them.
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Because i acualy played games for reasons other than Comommer anime character designs i never found gacha games appealing as they all kinda play like bland button masher garbage that tricks you in to thinking combat is anymore comlex than Bayonetta on easy difficulty whit a dodge window 10X more forgiving. Like id argue even Musou games are more comlex.
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>>738674178
I play games for reasons other than anime girls too. Arknights is a fun tower defense game. I'm sure someone else in this thread has a greentext prepared about how it's actually generic P2W garbage, but I know for a fact that there is real and enjoyable gameplay here.
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>>738674109
based
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I'm the oldest and most experienced/most vidya clout having person on /v/ if I'm here. I am the only person who comes here who wrote professionally about games, played games professionally, and had work included in a professional game

I mostly only play genshin, and obra dinn/outer wilds level games when they come out. I also play Kind Words every day. I have been thinking about making my own version of Kind Words called Nice Dogs

Anyway, I like genshin because it has a living-feeling world to some extent. Which no game has accomplished the same way. Characters get over personal struggles with years of time, npcs have evolving stories and come back to see you years later, etc.

Gacha games are genuinely trash but as a guy who played legend of zelda when it came out, I think genshin is by far the best adventure game.

I do dolphin it though, about $300/y. I'd probably been spending more money than that on video games since the mid 90s though.
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I don't understand how people can play more than one gacha. I tried it once, and I felt like I had a second job. It was just miserable. Never again.
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https://x.com/appealinggames/status/2053484435320795601
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>>738667071
>I don't understand why people even play them in the first place.
I guess some people want some sort of "return" on their investment? Otherwise I don't see a reason for people to play counter strike for 10-15 years other than to sell shit on the marketplace. I guess if one day you do get bored out of your 5 year old Genshin account you can sell it for some money I guess?
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>man continues to not understand for years
>continues making threads over those years telling everyone he doesn't understand

how bored are you
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>>738674601
seafags really are pathetic
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>>738674748
Yeah I wrote wall of text above and I would never play more than one.

My dream is for genshin 2 they incorporate world building into the main game so you could, for example, sail into the fog and arrive at someone's custom built land mass where you could actually fight, do puzzles and get items. Or take a train and it arrives at someone's house they've built, seamless with the main game. I believe the entire storyline of genshin is working toward making this a reality
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>>738674910
>I guess some people want some sort of "return" on their investment?
A single player, story driven game can give you better return of your investment than a gachia that will just play cut scene and unlock new outfit.

>Otherwise I don't see a reason for people to play counter strike for 10-15 years other than to sell shit on the marketplace
Since when counterstrike is a VN or JRPG or a game with cute girls in the first place?

>I guess if one day you do get bored out of your 5 year old Genshin account you can sell it for some money I guess?
If selling account is your prime motivation, there are more efficient means of making money.
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>>738671362
It has a mobile version since East Asia and SEA have way more mobile players then any or system and it's there largest market by far.
Gacha players already have low standards so even if it's terrible on mobile they don't care.
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>>738675169
Games like genshin, star rail, zzz are story driven single player games
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>>738674109
I play ZZZ and Wuwa but Wuwa mogs ZZZ to death honestly
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>set up bot to go through my gacha dailies while i make/eat food or something, probably less than 10 minutes of dailies
>play regular games after
>actually play the gacha whenever they add stuff in an update
wow so hard
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>>738666514
Worse than mine, by a lot.
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>>738669306
>no uooooh Sayu ToT
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>>738675217
I've tried playing on my phone at work and damn it sucks ass. I can't believe how many people only play on mobile
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>>738675435
I already hate doing most things on my phone and trying to play a game on it sounds awful to me
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>>738663870
I never understood the mind of a gacha 'player'
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Do people think the only thing to do in a gacha game is to roll on the gacha system?
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I love my wife Hanuma Makoto.
Long live the Pandemonium Society!
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>>738675721
Play genshin impact for a few hundred hours then find any other game that exists with a world like that in terms of size, depth, fullness of quests and such

Spoiler, there isn't one
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>>738675863
Yeah, they're forgetting all about the chore simulator aspect!
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>>738668692
Mods are weird about gacha and Generals. Apparently Uma Musume is not allowed to have a thread, but YGO and BA can have 24/7 Generals no problem?
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I enjoy playing on the way to work and reading the story on weekends.

Blue Archive
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>this thread
another day another thread with uncs seething about gacha
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>>738676069
Uma musume isn't a video game
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>>738676069
Blue Archive threads get deleted daily.
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>>738676023
By that logic you can claim any game is a chore simulator?

GTA 6? Nigger chore simulator.
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>>738675991
>"play" gacha garbage
No.
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>>738676069
those threads also get deleted but mods seem to give up from time to time. same with ff14 threads.
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>>738669374
holy fuck that edit is fantastic
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>>738675863
Yeah. They think "gameplay" refers specifically to the part where they walk around an overworld pushing buttons too, which is why they claim there's "no gameplay".
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>>738676181
Not fast enough.
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>>738676023
you know it's possible to play any gacha without caring about any of that?
games like Wuwa (for example) give you a "balanced" main character for every story mission, meaning you don't even get to use the main character you leveled yourself most of the time.

Every "grind" in a gacha is optional beyond the first gearing up you do.
All the work is optional and the daily logins are only for those who desperately want to get as much "free" gacha currency as possible
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>>738675947
Iroha and ibuki sex
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>>738676251
>meaning you don't even get to use the main character you leveled yourself most of the time.
I get why they do it but I hate that.
If I rolled for a character and invested in it, that's the character I want to play. Fuck off with the forced shit.
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>>738675662
it's mostly fine for simpler games, everything you could play on a DS or whatever, you can also play on a phone.
but ZZZ in particular really isn't a phone game. it's pretty demanding on the hardware and the gameplay is too fast paced and requires too precise inputs.
I wanted to do my dailies while I was on vacation and eventually decided to just skip using stamina completely for the duration of my stay because it was insufferable
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>>738676403
I agree it sucks especially when it forces you to play a specific element, like it occasionally forces you to use Spectro, Havor or Aero Rover,
Still, I am glad that it means people who are there just for the story can enjoy it without being gatekept, and everyone can expect a fair balanced experience because of it
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>>738676442
Why not just get a controller or mouse + keyboard for your phone?
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>>738672603
this is some god awful fan animation, right?
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>>738675991
literally any other open world game lmao, I played this shit forever (2020 to january of this year)
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>>738671923
ZZZOVL
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>>738676206
Oh kek, I'm ashamed I didn't even realized it was based on that meme.
I do find it so funny how BS threads look like.
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>>738676514
because I don't want to carry all of that around with me while I am on a vacation trip
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>>738676549
Blizzard for some reason just doesn't put budget into their in game cinematics
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>>738675991
any assassin's creed game
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>>738676628
especially funny when you consider how good their prerendered cutscenes were
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>>738676612
Is a controller really that much to carry around? Just leave it in the room you're staying in an do daily stuff before bed.
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>>738675353
she wants to be treated like a grown woman and i respect her wish
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>>738663870
buy an ad faggot
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>>738676640
>woke nigger slop
Also, you must be joking. The early AC games you could beat in sub 10 hours. Later titles (the woke shit) were like 60 hours at best.
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Is this the thread? Wakamo raid status?
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>>738676572
lol

>>738676640
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>738676710
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlVSJ0AvZe0
Their first trailer still looks good to this day.
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>>738675991
>fullness of quests
if only it wasn't 200000000000000 words of meaningless NPC drivel and filler
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>>738675991
It's like Skyrim, except you only start out with Whiterun hold unlocked, you have to wait 6 weeks before each new main story quest is unlocked but you get a daily radiant quest to clear out a random bandit camp in the hold. Every year they unlock a new hold where you repeat this same formula.
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>>738676846
>>738676874
it wasn't a high bar to start with anyways
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>>738667071
Maybe it's because a galge is "completed", it's "over", and you will eventually say goodbye to the characters and you play knowing that. Compared to that, gacha games are "immortal" or at least you can fool yourself into thinking that, and they're not just a product but also a "service" in that devs "answer users' requests" and the character stories and storylines proceed at their own "release schedule" instead of being totally dictated by when the player takes the initiative to keep playing.
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>>738676628
holy shit lmao
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>>738672603
i'm gonna be honest, i fucking hate gacha monetization schemes and ultra jewery
but this is just fucking depressing, look at this difference in animation. wow has had 20 years of fleecing retards outta their money. fucking 80 dollar cash shop items.
and some chink gacha absolutely mogs it in terms of quality, why?
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>>738666327
>vtumor fan calling anyone subhuman
Lol
Lmao
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>>738677072
How is doing daily chores and getting baited into paying preferable to having a nice climax and closure to your story so you can move on to new world(girls) to explore and conquer?
I bet these games also have some stamina or other mobile style limits to stop you from progressing too fast.
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>>738663870
It’s fun though
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>>738676251
>Every "grind" in a gacha is optional
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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>>738675269
>wujeet go one post without shilling his genshin ripoff upon hearing mention of another mihoyo IP
difficulty: impossible
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>>738677256
Ignoring stuff like too many unqualified women in the business I think it's because they don't need to put in that much effort. There are so many cultists that Blizzard cultivated that will pay and play no matter what that they really don't need to do anything.
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>>738677369
good job leaving out the rest of the sentence
>beyond the first gearing up you do
Sure some of them might lock your progress behind some adventure rank or whatever, but that shit will usually get progressed by QUESTING, which are by definition not grinding
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Isn't it time you went to sleep Chang?
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>>738677256
All the cutscene budget goes to Sylvanas's scenes where they make sure you know she's a dindu
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>>738677447
he mentioned both in the same post, retard
also post hands
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>>738677484
sure anon, you can just, play a gacha and it won't make you grind for shit cause that's totally not what every gacha does
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Do most westerners play stupid or are they sincerely too retarded to understand why gacha is consistently popular beyond "muh gambling addiction"? Let me spell it out:
>Low spec games that still prioritize looks.
>Simple, straightforward, repeatable gameplay loops that still allow for minmaxing autism if you want to shoot for high scores.
>A never ending cavalcade of hot women you can both play and have pander to you exclusively.
It's that fucking simple. It's not a formula that can only succeed in gacha, but for some mysterious reason is never utilized outside of it. Maybe if you want your game to have comparable staying power, start working with this intuitive equation. You might get somewhere, and not feel the need to say retarded shit like, "Playing this game doesn't count as playing because I don't like it."
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You won't change shit.
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You guys should try out Wizardry Daphne it's "fun"
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>>738677978
>It's not a formula that can only succeed in gacha, but for some mysterious reason is never utilized outside of it.
JRPGs
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>>738677978
on point except the "have pander to you exclusively"
women being hot is enough, all gacha girls are so badly written that them pandering to you or not doesn't change how unappealing their personality is
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>>738663870
>guys my new opinion just dropped
thanks for letting me know
mostly true btw
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>>738678104
name 5 GOOD ones that have come out in the last 5 years
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>>738678104
NTA but JRPGs stopped using that formula years ago.
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>>738678449
no wonder they suck now
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>>738677885
Unless your gacha specifically demands you to roll for new characters and actively keep up with new content by making old characters literally useless, no, the grind isn't forced on you.

I could literally log in to my genshit account right now, see my max level characters from over 4 years back, and I guarantee I could play every new story chapter they've put in to the game without spending a second on farming or unlocking new characters.
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>>738671607
PoE doesn't require spending much money to get going
The initial $30 or so that you need to spend on stash tabs is basically just the purchasing price of the game, everything else is cosmetics
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>>738677996
I'm stuck on the third abyss
Being forced to die in every abyss with forced loss segments because the MC is retarded is not fun
Wizardry is still better than smt and Etrian
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>>738678810
You don't NEED them either if you arent doing anything remotely end game related. I know some hyper casuals who just play through the campaign and stop for the season
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>>738663870
>If it's not fun then why bother
Funny you use this quote because I guarantee you most of the seethe over gacha comes from tendies
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All games suck, now go to work, take a loan and pay interest like every body else, cheer every time the government prints money to give to foreigners while they increase taxes, that is how you keep up with the Joneses.
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>>738678810
That's not my point,
my point is that paying 300-600 dollars for ANYTHING inside a videogame is borderline mental illness, and anyone asking such prices is a soulless greedy fuck with no morals.
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remove women's rights and watch how fast every gacha dies off
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The only reason why there is seething about gacha is because Americans are not in on the racket, otherwise you would see daily threads popping up on this board complaining about how steam, casinos and gambling aps are absolute and total degeneracy.
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>>738679248
I'm not really that interested in anything in real life though, I'd rather pay for virtual stuff
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>>738677256
WoW's 20(?) years old and their time in the limelight has long since passed; they don't really need to "improve" their game anymore when they already got their sunk cost whales for the rest of its days. Meanwhile chinks are relatively new to the industry and need to prove themselves in an age where graphical standards are much higher than in Wow's time; maybe one day they'll get to be as greedy and complacent as Blizzard but not today
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>>738679368
???
Literally the opposite would happen what are you on about? Imagine all the fucking pervy shit we could have if we didn't need to care about women's feefees.
If you mean that women becoming slaves to men will somehow kill gacha I'd say you're wrong. Even if that happened tomorrow nothing would really change because the veil was lifted years ago. Even without rights women will still be women and men will still be tired and sick of their shit. Even the most perfect housewife slavemaid woman cannot compete with the engineered perfection of anime girls.
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>>738678696
totally anon. all gacha are just built like that, i totally believe you
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Gacha is about maintaining my dick
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>>738679562
That doesn't matter,
the issue is that you are dealing with literal digital NOTHING, and the people selling these useless cosmetics decided that their value is equivalent to a new moped or even a used car in some situations.
300-600 dollars would feed me for like 2-3 months, I cannot fathom anyone being so retarded that they'd just throw money like that away just to look different in a videogame where multiplayer isn't even the focus
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>>738679691
the only retards who play this trash are women and trannies
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But I am having fun and I don't want your faggot ass playing my gacha. The fewer people giving them money the harder they have to try to get mine. Stay out, bitch.
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If you like EXVS you literally have no other choice because scamco is retarded.
I feel like a lot of these gachas wouldn't be popular or even exist if the Japanese weren't retarded incompetent idiots.
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>>738680039
Nah
Even for genshit, the game most women and troons play, men still play way more.
This "genre" is overwhelmingly filled with men.
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>>738680187
This, Azur Lane got popular mainly because Japs couldn't even be bothered to port Kancolle to mobile. Also imagine if chinks made a Dissidia clone
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>>738663870
A game with no ending is just a treadmill. Can’t stand MMOs. Never tried gachas but it’s the same shit with more microtransactions.
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>>738674084
I thought Limbus company was the king of "C tier gacha everyone plays to get rewards in another game" how can it top steam charts?
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>>738680323
men do not play this shit, gachatranny
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>>738680187
>EXVS clone
does this play well?
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Are you telling me that in my free time, when I am thinking I am doing something that is supposed to be entertainment, I am actually an employee that pays money for the privilege of work?

Wild stuff. Who would have thought someone could make it into a business model.
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>>738680856
As an EXVS vet I'd say it plays really fucking well. I haven't felt the need to touch MBON again yet since downloading the game.
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>>738680767
You have gacha derangement syndrome. I literally called it genshit and don't like gacha too but you're calling me a gachatranny anyway.
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>>738681071
gachatranny melty
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>>738667071
I think someone saw fire emblem and asked himself what if we cut it into pieces and put those pieces into lootboxes. And they lost the pieces related to fun game.
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>>738680018
I don't enjoy eating all that much, I'd much rather spend that money in a game I play often than on food. Fashion and videogames are literally my only hobbies and spending hundreds on pixels is something I don't mind.
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>>738680985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7HNquG0f1s
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>>738663870
Gacha is just for gambling addicts who are even lower lifeforms than the boomers at the casino because at least the boomers have a chance of winning money and not some picture of an anime girl that you could google for free
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>>738681210
I'm not saying you can't spend on things you like,
I'm just saying the asking price is MONSTROUS and anyone willing to spend that is simply braindamaged or has no concept of value (and likely didn't earn that money)
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>>738681210
>fashion
fat troon spotted, I'm sure you can survive without food for quite awhile
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>>738681224
>could google for free
That is the part that gets to me the most. I once googled some live 2d offline sites to see it and the animations kinda look nice but pay money for a chance to win this? I got bored after 10 seconds of watching it and all of them are basically unfappable when you have actual hentai. And even if you have some weird mental illness where you need softcore then just browse gelbooru for infinite softcore 10/10 anime tits.
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>>738681224
>Gamblers at a casino are better off
>Chance of winning money
Gambler's Fallacy.
Just because you gamble on some game x amount of time doesn't mean you will ever win.
This is the typical Amerigoblin jewish way of thinking, next he will tell people to invest in the stock market, or take a loan.
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>>738681394
gachatranny SEETHING
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>>738681131
Gachatroon completely mindbroken by gacha
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>>738681510
Either you are against gambling on principle, and first you settle the gambling issue where it matters: stock market, gambling apps, steam, lootboxes, then you can think about criticizing gambling elsewhere, or you can fuck off and stop being a hypocrite.
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>>738681363
What is that kind of logical leap? You sound terribly american.
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>>738680991
Alright I'll give it a shot later then here's hoping I enjoy it because man I hate bamco
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>gambling
It's not fucking gambling you retards. You can't win money in gacha. You can only lose it. It's scummy, predatory and evil yeah but it's not gambling.
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>>738681328
Value is subjective
I'm working some low end desk job and spend my money on rent, food, I put like $100 aside at most and the rest goes to gacha stuff.
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>>738681576
whoops meant for>>738681394
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got the entire turdworld gachatranny general and dilating
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>>738681510
meant for >>738681224
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>>738681793
>Value is subjective
Sure, but you're objectively retarded for potentially screwing yourself due to having no emergency fund because of anime titties.
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>>738671607
PSO2's original gacha system was so good that they had to neuter it and make outfits consumables to limit people's ability to sell gacha items on player markets.
I stopped playing shortly after.
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I have no idea why yhe fuck gacha threads aren't banned on /v/ (aside from the fact that 4chan is clearly making money on secret advertising through threads).
You LITERALLY cannot have a glacial thread on /v/ without it being either a continuation of a general, or a birth of a new one (through paid advertising.)
Both of these are against the rules.
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>>738670824
>Gacha slop will never have high stake
This is why I only play real games like Dragon's Dogma where important events happen, like going to the moon
Oh wait that didn't happen because it wasn't finished and never had the necessary budget due to not selling anime girls
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>>738682196
As I've said I'm putting aside a small sum every month. At this point my emergency fund would only need to cover a dishwasher or a washing machine breaking down. Potential health issues are covered by my country's welfare funds.
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>>738682476
these animations holy fucking shit it's downright hilarious
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>>738681751
This is distilling all the negative parts of gambling and taking away the positive part of being able to win actual money.
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>the reason we have daily gacha thread is because of mindbroken haters

lmao
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this is so funny because of how gachabrained /v/ is
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>>738681751
yeah, it's worse
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gachads (gacha + chad) run this shit
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>>738682473
Brother a good chunk of /v/ is nothing more than generals, fucking Fire Emblem has been getting daily threads for years and I don't see anyone getting butt blasted over it.
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>>738682830
Nothing is more pathetic than actively defending the parasite that is leeching off you.
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>738682994
>run this shitty gacha poisoned board
lol
lmfao
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>>738663997
>Asians I understand since they've got a glitch in their brains that makes them infinitely more prone to gambling
Is that biological or cultural? Don't remember seeing a lot of westernised asians in casinos
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>>738683019
Fire emblem is a video game. Gacha is trash cancer and brainrot.
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>>738683104
whatever let you sleep at night m8
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>>738683080
cultural I think. asians are more likely to throw money at stuff they enjoy including the chinese. I was surprised at how many chinese are willing to just throw money at stuff and I'm wondering how they would be if they weren't stuck with a communist government
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>>738663997
It’s because of the girls. People are lonely
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>>738681793
>Value is subjective
not in this case, that statement only applies on certain unique experiences and physical things.
When it comes to non-limited, actual bits of data in a computer, infinitely repeatable and recreatable - no, it's not subjective.
It is an objective fact that spending 300-600 dollars on a virtual bikini, armor or whatever the fuck, in a live service game no less, that is BOUND TO SHUT DOWN inevitably, is not worth that much money.
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>>738663870
can we go back to twitter screencaps
youtube screencaps are worse
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Is this true gachads?
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>>738683279
Why don't the lonely people go meet the other lonely people and that way they won't be lonely?
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>>738667071
The actual reason is the same reason that people like roguelikes.

You can take a small amount of content and stretch it out/chop it up/mix it up and present it to players to get them excited. Limbus Company, for example, just takes their story missions and just cuts them into halves, thirds, fourths, whatever, and spreads them out to hide the lack of content. Same thing with Genshin. It is human psychology to get invested in stuff like that. They also, like an MMO, instantly generate a sunk-cost-fallacy. You've either spent an inordinate amount of time or money or both and you don't want to quit. You log in, do dailies, and then eventually part of the new content drops and you play.

My first and only gacha game was Genshin. I played it due to the comparisons to BotW. I was hooked on the game until halfway though Inazuma. I spent probably $250 in total on the daily log in pass + gems with the bonuses. I also had spent tons of time doing dailies, exploring, maxing out events, grinding up my characters, etc. But I eventually realized that I didn't even have that much fun exploring Inazuma and instead of looking forward to it I instantly thought of it in terms of:
>Man, I just spent an hour exploring and opening chests and I got enough currency for like 2 pulls
And then I realized when I was measuring everything in the game by pulls and I actually just quit and have not opened the game since then or played any other Gacha.
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>>738683473
pretty much
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Hello everyone,
After countless sleepless nights of discussion, research, and honest reflection about Snowbreak, I’ve reached a conclusion.

I have decided, with every fiber of my being, to stand by Amazing Seasun Games no matter what storms come. Because if you truly stop and feel it in your chest… it’s painfully obvious they would never choose to censor their own beloved creation. There’s a gun held to their heads—figurative, but no less real—and they’re fighting just to survive. My heart breaks for them, and for every player who’s fallen in love with this world.

Yet right now, we’re all carrying the same heavy uncertainty in our hearts:

1. Is this censorship truly just a bug?
2. Will the interactive scenes that made our hearts race still be part of our future?
3. And if it isn’t a bug… will they have to change the current and future outfits we’ve grown to cherish?

We’ll know soon—on the next bug fix or official word. If it was all a terrible glitch and they restore everything… then we can breathe again and celebrate together. But if it wasn’t… then we have only one path forward, and it’s one that makes my voice shake as I say it.

Snowbreak’s community—our community—must come together like never before. We need to stand shoulder to shoulder and send one clear, unbreakable message to anyone who dares attack our game: You do not mess with us. The modding community will rise as one, hearts on fire, and show the world that “we don’t give a damn” about anyone trying to tear down something we love so deeply. We will protect it with everything we have.

I believe—truly believe—that Amazing Seasun Games still has hope (if this isn’t just a bug). And that hope is us. We are the ones who can help carry them through this. So let me ease every worried heart right now, the way I wish someone would ease mine:

THEY WILL NEVER BAN PLAYERS FOR UNCENSORING THE GAME.

Never.
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>>738667071
Even moege has been releasing slower and slower. VNs have been releasing slower and slower.
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>>738683640
1. The uncensored files are already sitting right there in the game folder.
2. There have been zero—absolutely zero—reports of anyone being banned for modifying graphical details.
3. It would make zero sense for them to turn on the very players who love this game most.

And if… and this is the biggest “if” they ever did start banning us in the future, we all know in our hearts it would only be because of that same gun to their heads.
In that moment, we modders will do what we’ve always done best: avoid touching the game folder (ahem, XXML… ahem, 3DMigoto), breathe life back into bthe game for every end user, and spread the word so no one has to lose the experience they fell in love with.

I was recently told that Snowbreak just hit #2 on Bilibili. Let that sink in. Even if the worst happens and censorship lingers for a while, there is no way this game is heading toward EOS—not when it’s touching hearts and climbing charts like this. Our love for it is too strong. Our community is

We’ve got this. Together.
Snowbreak isn’t just a game—it’s our story. And we’re not letting go.
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>>738683425
They're bound to shut down the same way I'm bound to keel over one day. Doesn't mean much.
I'd argue there's a difference between value and worth here, these pixels are effectively completely worthless but I find them more valuable than, say, a car. I don't need one and I don't like them, I got a license just to be able to drive professional cars but that's it. The only reason you'd see me get a car is if I could sell it for a profit right away just so I can spend more on pixels.
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>>738683473
It's generally fine until trannies hopped up on drugs get offended and crash out
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Genshit oofy doofy betabux deluxe excess males mihomo CCP fujo slaves doing damage control in the thread
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>>738683731
Ah, so you're not only retarded enough to spend exorbitant sums of money on pointless vanity, but you're also a nihilist at the same time.
A funny controversy.

A car isn't the only thing you can buy with that money you know,
You could buy ten full priced games for the price of one extremely overpriced cosmetic or gacha guarantee.

If you can't think of anything else to spend on, consider getting a luxury bed or chair, one that saves you from back pain and is guaranteed to be worth it since you most definitely spend most of your life on them.
ANYTHING but a ridiculous cosmetic or gacha character.
Well.. anything except something that's actively bad for you.
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>>738672603
>okay and here we will just lock their models in place and spin them around in a circle while the camera shakes.
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>>738684004
I'm no nihilist, I think some things are inherently good, like loyalty. But that's besides the point.
I don't buy my games, I pirate them. My other pastimes don't cost anything, books are very cheap and running has me changing shoes every eight months at the earliest.

I've been hearing about good chairs and good beds for a while but most of my furniture are heirlooms and I'm rather satisfied with my old ass bed. I don't have any pain anywhere yet and I feel like keeping a good core workout routine alongside some stretching is better for my health than any furniture but I could be wrong, I know nothing about these.
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>>738663870
All of those games give me more content and fun every year than any big western AAA shit made in last 10 years.

For example NTE completely rapes Cyberpunk in every way imaginable. Gacha hate is pathetic.
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>>738683473
this one is for mine
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>>738684489
I don't dislike gacha but NTE is the worst piece of shit I've ever laid my hands upon in these past five years
It's not better than anything
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>>738684489
having played nte for a week, that's a very bad example
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>>738683535
Maybe that's why I never sticked to any MMO.
I did played one gacha I guess, mahjong soul. But I was there 100% for mahjong and all the gacha stuff never interested me. I did got the 5$ talisman hoping I will get some mesugaki loli from a collab to further demoralize my enemies on a victory but never pulled anything and gave up. Still, as much as I get the idea of buying skins for a multiplayer game if you really like it, I would never pay for item or character in a single player game, that's beyond retarded for me. The only reason I play MS is because it's probably the best online mahjong out there. If I want to romance a 2D q3.14 I just boot a VN.
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>>738667071
None of those games have the budget of big gachas. Pay 5$ a month get hundreds of hours of cute girls. Show me another game genre that provides this.
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>>738667626
Nod'Krai is literally the best Genshin ever was. By far.
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>>738684760
It really isn't, the game peaked early.
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>>738684796
It really is and if you disagree you never even played it. Fontaine was a decline and Natlan sucked but Nod-Krai is one of the greatest comebacks in video game history.
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>>738684796
if by peak you mean amount of worldwide attention, yeah it was trending more in inazuma
but by stuff to do and quality of the game, the newest version will obviously be better
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>>738677291
comfort, familiarity?
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>>738684537
>poorly drawn gehenna logo
SOVL
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>>738671339
This is true. All the gachafags I know only "play" it for the visuals. All other game aspects are better in other genres.
Unfortunately I can't be satisfied with only good visuals, it's supposed to be a game after all.
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>>738684860
>>738684893
I disagree and I've played all the way from October 2020 to January of this year
Exploration has gotten worse, ost has gotten worse, combat balance is worse than ever, the presentation during quests improved and everything else mostly stagnated
Game started shitting the bed with sumeru. Actually I don't know why I quoted the retard who said nod kek is one of the greatest comeback in videogame history fucking lmao I'm only answering the other anon
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>>738684860
Enkanomiya, the Chasm, Sumeru's desert, and the Narzissenkreusz questline were my favorite parts of Genshin. I dropped right around the end of Natlan. How does Nod-Krai compare?
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>>738680737
Topping steam charts takes only a few sales
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>>738684860
>judging each patch by the archon quest instead of the regions added
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>>738684893
Inazuma was only bigger because of lack of competition. Mihoyo is making record revenue right now. In 2025 they made almost 12 billion $.
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>>738685023
>Game started shitting the bed with sumeru
That was quite literally the most interesting place. I'll just let you have your own opinion although I disagree with it.
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>>738684674
Yea, they have smaller budget, but they focus on few main characters instead of spreading all that money thin across hundred or so characters. And there is way more VNs and JRPGs than gachia.

>Pay 5$ a month get hundreds of hours of cute girls
Or be pirate and enjoy hundreds of games with thousands of girls combined for free.
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>>738685045
Far better main story and characters. Exploration got simpler like in earlier versions.
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>>738684489
>For example NTE completely rapes Cyberpunk in every way imaginable
You have abysmal shit taste.
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>>738685049
Archon quest, characters, events, yes. Nod-Krai is a pretty simple map but that's a good thing after Natlan went way too far with pokemon shit everywhere.
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>>738685107
>VNs and JRPGs

Are dying genres because even nips moved to chink gachas.
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>738684860
Nod krai was fucking garbage
Genshin sloppers are delusional
Columbina is also ugly
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>>738685045
The only things Nod Krai improved are animations during dialogues (it remains pretty barebones though) and better main characters presences with retarded NPCs taking a step back during the main quest. That's about it, you won't be surprised
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>>738667071
ironically VNs are dying because of gachas
they make more money with less effort
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>>738685173
Even after years of patches Cyberpunk is a worse game. If you compare both games on release day... just LMAO.

NTE open world is 10x more alive.
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>>738685295
You are gay and retarded.
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>>738685295
be quiet lil nigga
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>>738663997
It's a cruel irony that gachas are the only bastion left not poisoned by western leftists. At least some gacha developers take their character design philosophy to other genres, like Shift Up.
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>>738685356
okay champ, good for you
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>>738685354
not the same target audience at all
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>>738663870
I play games I enjoy actually.
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>>738681394
stock market has positive EV
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>>738685354
>less effort

LOL how exactly is shit like this less effort than fucking static pictures with some voice acting?
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>>738685425
they both target lonely virgin asians tho
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>>738685420
Engoy your ugly as sin characters in a world where everybody can look whatever the fuck they want, every female acting and looking like some 50y old hooker, utterly unbalanced combat you can break and trivialize and open world so fucking dead 90% of NPCs just walk in a circle.

And please cry over some Mexican dude you knew for 5 minutes dying OMG so emotional!
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>>738685498
Hilarious because ZZZ's story presentation is full of incredibly static and low effort pseudo vn sections with characters cycling between the same 3 animations and facial expressions while VNs at least have a lot more sprites, sound effects and CGs
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>>738685425
Dude FGO stole 3/4 of VN audience and Hoyo finished off the rest.
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>>738667071
>gachafags pay 298592 goybux to TRY to get a girl who doesn't even care about you
>a free game has a better waifu who loves (You)
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>>738663870
Gacha basically murdered every other go-to option for weebs, what else can they even play? Nothing can compete with a superior monetization model that gives devs endless money for a single product, addictive fomo, and drip-fed endless content.
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>>738671615
>warned
This janitor is actually retarded.
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>>738685702
Yuri is better than Monika
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>>738685729
cry about it little nigger
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>>738685697
Most of the fatefags I know deem FGO to be non canon dogshit
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>>738685673
bro you can't compare the 2, just let it go
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>>738668487
Uh oh, OP mindraped you
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>>738668745
And?
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no, i get really into a gacha for three months, blow several hundred dollars on it, then ghost it forever. i do not """""maintain""""" accounts
that said, star rail persisted for like 18 months, so it deserves much love. silver wolf awooga
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>>738685713
Jrpgs. They are better written and finished products.
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>>738685964
the jrpgs are now just gacha adaptations
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>>738685881
I just got my Promeia to M2W1 last week.
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>>738685702
It's offtopic for this thread, but why is DDLC so hated on /v/?
I said something semi positive about it in another thread and got jumped on by multiple outraged people. Most of the criticism seems to be targeted at the creator, which is strange considering he has basically no presence online. Some people also acted as if DDLC itself was some huge disgrace to VNs, while it is literally just a more tame retelling of totono, just without the cuck shit.
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open world exploration for genshin is still god tier and not even 70 dollar aaa games can compete
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>>738685673
Paired with the general wordy nature of hoyoslop, this is why I'm not getting up to current on ZZZ. I am exhausted with chink writing. The only reason I even have Genshin installed is because I was already caught up when Nod-Krai started and even then the latest chapter still has pacing issues.
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>>738685748
Also this
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>>738686054
It gets infinitely worse in Chinese regions sadly
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>>738685985
We just got some good jrpgs recently in the last few years, some being remakes but at least they're proven. Trails in the sky remake, xenoblade X, FFT, Digimon story time strange, metaphor, smt5, unicorn overlord and so on.
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>>738686301
plus octopath 0
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>>738685807
because (assuming you're european or american) western audiences are more critical of dogshit monetization models. asians lap that shit up
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>>738685964
But they're all old, dead uncshit. Gacha are new, their communities have been lively for years, and you get to be there to see it all.
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>>738671339
You don't have to play animuslop
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>>738686401
well i want to, so what should i play
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I wonder which game the gacha obsessed schizo is from that makes him shit up these threads every day
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>>738686023
>assassin's creed shit
>:(
>assassin's creed shit, anime
>:O
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>>738686014
DDLC is pure reddit shit (Dan is a redditor), an ironic subversive VN made by someone who doesn't even play VNs
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>>738663870
Sometimes I maintain, sometimes I play. The games literally never end. Are you just going to play them nonstop for another decade until maybe they finally EOS? No, you maintain and do dailies then log off days when you don't feel for it and sit down and play through them on other days when you do.
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>>738686014
>why is DDLC so hated on /v/
because it reached mainstream level back then and so we have to hate it
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>>738686014
it's popular. you literally don't have to search father than that. anything popular eventually gets hordes of contrarian haters on /v/
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>>738686356
The reason why they are popular is not because they are good but because the attention span of youth, it is so small it fits perfectly into the 2 week-month update system that gachas follow. It's "lively" because it's unfinished and recieves updates frequently. A finished jrpg will have months until a dlc or years until a sequel.
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What makes gacha games worse than liveservice slop or MMORPGs?
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>>738686054
You're lucky
China slop chapters killed zzz
And the pacing in nod krai is fucking awful endless filler padding too
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>>738663870
Explain how this is different from timegated shit in a pokemon game. Cuz that franchise has been doing that shit forever.
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>>738685498
Animation is a solved art while writing is not
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>>738686527
Ok. And why do you care that the author literally makes few posts on reddit per year? How does that influences your experience in the game?

>an ironic subversive VN
How will you describe totono then? An ironic subversive VN as well? Maybe for/by people who hate VNs?
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>>738686759
gacha are live service slop what are you talking about?
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>>738663870
You're maintaining MMO accounts not playing them
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>>738686856
>solved
Are you genuinely retarded or are you just making shit up hoping you can get the last word?
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>>738663870
Don't tell me how to have fun.
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>>738686759
anime girls
grrrr i hate gooner bait, i'm a manly man that only cares about 25+ real adult women (that don't shave because i ain't no pedo trust me pls)
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>>738686972
I just got done with my first, it's a little soon to start thinking about my last...
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Reading through this entire thread, it seems the only defense of gacha is "but anime girl titty jiggle!"
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I can't wait for more goonerslop to come out unironically
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>>738686014
It's nothing like totono, the comparison only exists because of meta stuff and "le heckin yandereee"
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>>738687136
Here's my defense;
>"I like it"
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>>738687136
Games are a free market where the players decide if it's worth it. The players have decided and they're gaining popularity for a reason.
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>>738686868
>REEEE what about X????
It's less subversive than DDLC tho, it was made by a company that makes VNs
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>>738687136
you know that's right
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>>738687136
>anime girl titty jiggle!
Real games do it better btw
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>>738687136
God I love anime jiggle physics
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>>738687464
>only one cutscene
lol
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>>738687469
Now those are some well shaped breasts
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>>738687631
Shupos mogged by their underclassmen
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>>738687201
>>738687394
It's very similar to totono. Both games get spooky and meta as you keep replaying them. The only difference is that Monika gets upset that she has no route while Miyuki gets upset that you've chosen other route than her. And also DDLC jumpscares you with spooky faces while totono jumpscares you with cuckoldry. But both game play very similar and do similar subversion.

>It's less subversive
It's even more subversive considering how it stops you from replaying and prevents you from ever 100% the gallery. The latter is even more subversive to the genre as a whole than whatever DDLC does in my opinion.
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>>738687570
Idk about you but i remember seeing her boobas through the whole game, if you want me to post moar i can
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>>738663870
Thanks for reminding me to get my daily login rewards for Devil May Cry V!
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>>738687839
Shit, this reminded me I didn't do my dailies in monster hunter yesterday
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>>738663997
>Asians I understand since they've got a glitch in their brains that makes them infinitely more prone to gambling but the west...?
Nigga, you are aware in muttland only 2 industries are left standing, gambling and fraud, right?
And fraud is just gambling where someone got a guaranteed win.
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>>738687839
DMC5 has a currency that you can buy with real money and an overpowered weapon that costs money to fire. Thanks, Capcom.
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>>738663997
because they're fun, well designed, all around good games
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>>738687839
To this day I never saw the point of that system
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>>738688031
so companies can go to their shareholders and talk about how much engagement the games get on a daily business
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Fun things are fun
0 dollars spent
100% gameplay enjoyed
https://litter.catbox.moe/wg6vlkubx0ppyegc.mp4
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>>738688073
what game
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>>738663997
/v/ has been saying why they like gacha for over a decade now
If you still don't understand despite people literally spelling it out then you lack a basic grasp on Theory of the Mind and you're scarcely different from the niggers who fail the breakfast question
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>>738688073
didnt CZN censor more stuff again? how bad is it compared to what snowbreak is having to do? I was thinking about downloading the game
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>>738687731
It's clear you didn't understand both games
>monika isn't upset (she is not a yandere), she just wanted to talk to the player because you are the only thing real
>she didn't want to kill her friends, it was an accident, that's why she revives them
>meta stuff is part of Totono's plot, but the entire plot isn't about it. The meta stuff is obvious from the start
>meta shit is the plot of ddlc, the whole game is about that, even the poems
>cuckshit isn't the spooky part of totono, it's before miyuki's hell
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>>738683473
Yeah.
Girls frontline setting is somehow k/ autism, tragedykino, milautism and cute grils do cute things.
Like they had an idol themed event with one of the units referencing a rare one of a kind prototype made exclusively for gunshows, while also running a chapter where the bigbads of the year was fictional mgs styled freemasons and goth toaster hivemind

Its autism incarnate
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>>738687464
>gachaslaves will never pat and kiss their gachafu
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>>738683226
>asians are more likely to throw money at stuff they enjoy
Honestly thats a good thing. You should support stuff you like, personally I should probably spend more on things I enjoy.
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>>738686014
An anime VN made in America has a steep hill to climb just showing why not play one from Japan. DDLC in particular starts out as a normal VN and then basically says it is a VN and the characters exist only as digital representations of cute girls who love the player. I thought the game was fine basically for having a sudden twist, but I didn't love it either.
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>>738687731
>stops you from replaying and prevents you from ever 100% the gallery
Because the final choice is meant to be real? Letting you choose again breaks the illusion. Funny that DDLC doesn't even have a gallery (only in the paid gay version). Dan has really never played a VN before.
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>>738688370
Incorrect
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Hold on, have to do all my dailies
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>>738688720
>have to
You actually don't
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being a gacha enjoyer myself, it's always funny to see the seething revolving around em
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>>738688538
>gachafags will never get their gachafu pregnant
that looks goofy
>brown hands
uhh...
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>>738688283
So, you've taken my figure of speech literally and try to nitpick every smallest detail in my post. But what point are you trying to support with that list?

>>738688459
I don't consider it to be some masterpiece but I did enjoyed playing it. I think totono does some stuff better, but this one also had some good ideas. Probably my second favorite western VN after Slay the Princess.

>>738688525
>Because the final choice is meant to be real?
Yeah. And that's a big subversion of the genre where you usually try to get all the routes to unlock all the CGs. That's more subversive than DDLC's 4th wall breaking which is not all that rare in VNs anyway, it's just taken to the extreme.
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>>738688756
But I have to.
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>>738663997
>he hasn't heard of las vegas
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>>738688538
Does this game have any lolis?

Also
>dog icon
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>>738688767
Also incorrect.
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>>738683080
Anon they play in their own communal games more than in state sponsored casinos and shit, every single Chinatown is basically a hotspot for hidden gambling dens worldwide.
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>>738676069
YGO threads get deleted all the time or die on their own because YGO fucking sucks and is boring as shit.

Digimon generals never get deleted though but I suspect someone of power is making those threads since they are always heavily moderated.
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>>738663870
It's for porn, these anons want these games as alive as they can so they can get more fap material. Some spend in the games to delude themselves this isn't the case and they actually like the gachas they're playing, but is the stone cold truth at the end.
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>>738688803
>sacrificing your attention daily just to get some 1/3 or 1/5 of a pull per day
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>>738663870
Doesn't that apply to mmo as well?
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>>738688983
I know for a fact that ZZZ dailies are just drink coffee, get money from the video shop, and gamble on dog tickets and it literally takes less than a minute to get all 3 done. You don't actually have to spend stamina unless you're capped and can't drink more coffee
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>>738688837
Yeah but they can't be lewded much because they countries like Germany crackdown heavily on loli content.
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>>738663870
So do you faggots have your own opinions or do you just ape whatever a youtuber is saying?
>"B-But he's right!"
I don't care about the argument itself, I'm asking you if you've ever had an independent thought before.
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>>738685354
>>738685295
You're aware the switch made VNs go through another golden era despite ziony trying to kil them with the sinking of the vita and mass-delisting them off the PS4, right?
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>>738689078
Literally 1984
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>>738688859
Maybe niche hentai gacha games have pregnancy systems, but 99% of anons don't play those games
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Can someone please tell me why there is no Summoners War thread on /vg/?
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>>738689168
Doesn't need to be hentai if the comparison it to fire emblem "pregnancy"
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>>738689078
good thing I wasn't born in Germany, what a shithole that place has become, all this constant bowing and worshiping of Feminist ideological opponents to the west for Jewish causes under the guise of "protect the kidsTM!" yet not a single paki, muslim, african, somali, gypsie or indian scum is being sent back for actual pedophilia charges. these judges should be killed for fostering anti-western traitorous behaviors against freedom of speech whilst promoting literal pedophiles in society who cause harm.
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>>738663997
but what if i want to buy a pretty dress for my wife
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>>738689254
I'm still waiting for you to post the gachas where you can kiss and impregnate the girls
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>>738688162
Only chinese cucks got censored, not global. Fuck the korean nigger feminists for killing Snowbreak. Fuckin sad
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>>738680007
I think Google has a problem.
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>>738689378
Chinese cucks always demand censorship and rage whenever their will doesn't get through: Snowbreak was right in distancing itself from the Chinese faggots. you don't like x fetish? too bad, tourist.
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>>738688767
you're not getting your gachafu pregnant? are you gay?
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>>738689495
I've detected some form of soft-censorship on google when I tried to translate English to Japanese about visual novel engine wiki that was only in Japanese and it went: PROTECT KIDS PROTECT KIDS PROTECT KIDS! wall spam. Feminists are subhuman and deserve a culling from society and Google along them from promoting this shit.
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>>738689074
wtf, zzz they made a gacha based on my sunday morning routine?
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>>738689254
Even a children's game has pregnancy, but the gachaslaves prefer to play their safe mihomo slop (it's the gacha that most anons play, so you can't even use the ecchi cope)
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>>738689630
we know why: they won't breed and any mention makes them suffer. GOOD!
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>>738689630
mihoyo games are pretty fun, yeah
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>>738689168
>>738689630
Goalpost moving
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>>738689769
i can't read it
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>>738689751
only if you don't have access to any actual games.
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>>738689787
>>738689337
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>>738663870
>love big anime titties
>hate gachashit
I am the most oppressed gamer of all time
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>>738689849
how does one game being fun make a different fun game less fun?
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>>738689214
ANSWER ME NOW
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>>738664573
>anon says, in an anti-gacha thread that has been hijacked by others shilling their own gachas in an attempts to try a thread course-correction
Talking to a mirror isn't healthy, shill.
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>>738689957
Define shill
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>>738689315
FREE mods and fanart, imagine having to gamble for a jpeg
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I just genuinely like the gameplay
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>>738690127
How would you beat that fight? without using your credit card
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>>738686054
Chinks can't write and never will be able to
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>>738689905
its just not popular enough I guess
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>>738690172
that team does not look like it's lacking credit card to me
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>>738690172
You don't let it get to that situation at all, and if this is G&G which I assume it is, you use a shielder and stack shield blessings. These high conundrum SU difficulties heavily punish healer because enemies just hit way too fucking hard.
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>>738690045
Do I look like an Urbandictionary redirect to you?
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>>738689865
Literally one of the closest things to fire emblem does. The langrisser gacha.
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>>738663870
I don't interact with gacha period.
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>>738690172
That was a premium dps and healer back in old hsr.

Also, you can get premium teams in hsr without spending credit card with planning, watching for leaks and luck.
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>>738690446
you interact with gacha threads, though, and that's worse
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>>738663870
I'm having fun. Maybe you should stop projecting your insecurities onto others.
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>>738690127
Certified Luocha moment
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>>738663997
I remember when Genshin was a few years old I had heard about pirated/private servers so I figured it would be better to try that instead of dumping money in the official one. Asked about it in a thread and a bunch of retards were angry that I wasn't willing to spend money.

I stayed away from gacha after that except for the rule 34
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>>738690591
my wife bronya
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>>738689885
Devalued through money spent being less than on a gacha money farm with little to no involvement in action parts of the supposed "game."
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>>738690740
fun games are still fun thobeit
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>>738684760
Story is easily at its best yeah, but flagship events stories were a bit better during Natlan and exploration is unfortunately not great nowadays (way too small, especially 6.3’s area which was way too cramped). The few snippets we've seen of Snezhnaya looks great however.
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>>738683491
>3DPD
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>>738688427
i might do this if history hadnt tought me that comfort breeds complacency.
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>>738690495
>worse
Nah.
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>>738690856
Why do you go in threads for things you hate?
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>>738663870
>Video is actually about reducing his daily chores from 5 games to 3
Holy fuck
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>>738690660
>bunch of retards were angry that I wasn't willing to spend money
I'll take shit that never happened for 500, Alex
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>>738690782
I don't find non-fetish cuckoldry fun anon, the fuck you think my time is worth? At least provide a damn game that's not paint by pixels and you'll make enjoy the game as a game rather than as a daily checklist, daily checklists much like political checklists do not make a game. A game must have:
- A failure condition, no gambling and losing money doesn't count here, that's gambling.
- Skill test under pressure with consequences for failure.
Simple as.
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>>738691038
i didn't read, i'm playing a fun game right now
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>>738690414
No but you should look at a dictionary before you use words you don't understand. All you've done is prove my initial post. I accept your concession.
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I play Trickcal because I like pulling cheeks.
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>>738688774
Yeah I think we both enjoyed it as much. The middle section where the girls went insane was interesting. I wasn't very interested in the super Monika stuff at the end.
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>>738686794
>And the pacing in nod krai is fucking awful endless filler padding too

6.6 is one of the biggest patches of all time then after 6.7 we go directly to snez, no summer event. Nod krai was a disaster imo but now the ball is getting rolling again after a period of low investment (team leads doing major work on varsapura so genshin being made by third stringers atm)
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>>738667154
>CS or Dota
>good gameplay
lmao. At least Dota is the best living moba, but it's still an assfaggot at the end of the day. Play a real game please.
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>>738691182
I haven't given an answer to your query predicting the 'gotcha' you were looking on my end, and turns out I'm right. Next time, come up with your own words to bullshit yourself out of a tough spot instead of asking the spoon to the one you're actively arguing against. No concession for you when you got no pojnts to concede from me, while you didn't try argue the greentext because I'm right on that one, so I guess I have to accept yours, instead. Womp womp.
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>>738690172
By playing the game for free stellar jades and pulling for 5 stars with them. You're not gonna get every character and light cone on every banner being F2P but you'll still get a lot.
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>>738689078
God bless Germany. Anyone prefering lolis over big tiddy anime mommies is mentally ill.
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>>738691948
i am a fan of both, and would that i were not banned from either
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>>738691759
This is just embarrassing.
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>>738688147
Chaos Zero Nightmare.
Fun deck builder, but the rng is pretty heavy until weeks into the game wher you get upgrades to mitigate it fully
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>>738690083
Most gachafags want to publicly flaunt that they spent a gajillion dollars on gacha outfits and that's basically their thrill while mods/fanart/h-art only they can see them
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>>738668369
Counter-Strike and DOTA are the only real videogames.
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>>738691948
Guess God was mentally ill for fucking underage Mary ? You're retarded, puberty is puberty. If she bleeds, she breeds, as nature demands. The only reason you're against it is because your mind is raped by feminism
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>>738670824
Nikke has nice and juicy stakes
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>>738686759
In gachas, the main source of gaining relevant things in the game is by doing dailies. In other live services or MMORPGs you can just grind to your heart's content. You can do things on your time, be it slow or fast.

Also, gachas are in general totally pay to win. If you pay you get insane power spikes that free players or low spenders will never have. On the actually good live services and MMORPGs that is not the case. Any game that is STRONGLY pay to win will always be trash
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>>738692114
Does El Bible even have anything against sex with teens isn't it just don't adultery, don't incest, and don't fuck kids or something
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>>738692343
nothing you wrote here matches any of the gachas i've played in like ten years
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>>738692114
Lolicon outs himself as an IRL pedo under zero pressure lmao
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>>738692114
Wannabe chuds will screech and cry about everything being gay and feminized but the US's current age of consent laws are a indisputably direct product of feminism
You can't be redpilled if you don't accept that 15 year olds should be fair game
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>>738667071
No other game has cute anime girls. Blame westerners
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>>738667071
Normalfag filth will never understand. Leave this board for you do not belong here.
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>>738692447
Then you didn't played the biggest ones. Genshin, WuWa, HSR, ZZZ, all of them are utterly pay to win. Maybe a VERY dedicated free player who plays for multiple years doing dailies every single day and has insane luck can do the end game modes, meanwhile if you pay enough you get strong enough to rape the endgame.
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>>738692624
no they aren't, what are you talking about. they aren't even multiplayer, how the fuck can they be pay to win? are you retarded?
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>>738692573
Doing dailies in a mobile game surely make you superior to all these normalfags and VNs.
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>>738692624
None of them are play to win. Wtf do you Chuds always act like endgame is the entire fucking game when it's barely a tiny fraction of it?
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>>738692624
I know tons of f2p spics that clear Abyss with no effort
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>>738692624
You have definitely not played any of these games
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>>738692869
i can't read it
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>>738663870
????
I play the content then stop until new content.
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>>738692449
What pressure? It's just history and me retelling your rape. Rape is bad. But nothing is wrong with marriage. Enjoy your eggless 40 year olds I guess, good on you for eating the cum out of her??
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>>738677978
>easy to play action game with flashy setpieces but enough of a skill ceiling
>collect, interact with, get gifts for cute girls
So you're saying Killer Is Dead in a cute style would be the game of a generation
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>>738692939
your dailies sis??????
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>>738692948
>what pressure
That's what I just said, zero pressure lol Yes, I will very much continue to enjoy my big titty milfs openly and freely while you can enjoy dodging the FBI.
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>>738692449
How the fuck is 13 pedo, do you NIGGERS even know the meaning of words?
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>>738693137
she was 17 and 364 days you sick fuck
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>>738693106
The FBI is too busy helping our presidents rape kids with their Jewish friends, they dont have time for small timers. Moron.
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I maintain my account by clicking sweep for 10 minutes a day until it's time to spin the wheel for sexy loli pngs. I can't imagine actually "playing" these games for hours a day. That would take time from real video games.
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>>738693284
least delusional gacha fag, you are fine I suppose.
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>>738663997
Your people aren't superior to asians in any way, all of your modern history had been spent worshiping jews, kek.
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>>738693284
like mixtape
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>>738693984
Mixtape with no music was some of the weirdest clips I've ever seen of a game
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>>738693106
>little cucky is afraid of the j so he keeps his tiny pp in designated safe spaces made for him
LMFAOoooooooO
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>>738693443
you realize that's how 90% of them are right
aside from the Asian salarymen we all play other video games when we're caught up with the content and dailies
The only gachas people play as their forever game is Uma and Granblue. Cygames fags are mentally ill.
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>>738694067
Mixtape is cringiest shit ever I'm feeling like losing braincells not even looking at the full gameplay, correction: I would get permanent brain damage way worse if I tried to actually look at that garbage, it just feels awful on so many levels.
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>>738694205
yeah well at least it's not gacha
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>>738694128
Cygames actually have gameplay reason to play, unlike other non-involved games so I get the reason why someone would play those. if the game has gameplay reason to exist as a game, its better than Hoyoverse by default.
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>>738694205
It feels like it was made by old women who wanted to be cool rebels but with a weird music obsession. It reminded me of that one side scrolling game with a black cat main character
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>>738694276
>Cygames actually have gameplay
no lmao
Granblue is literally just mashing F5 and Uma is just watching animations for an hour before you get anal gaped by RNG
At least grub gave us GBVS and Relink
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>>738694336
>weird music obsession.
it wasn't that weird (I grew up in 00s and listened to a lot of related music) but the way they used them... just feels forced: they aren't fans. (I got bunch of CDs from that era and 2010s ish before industry went all belly up completely), how do I know they aren't fans? they are using that shit to paint a political message that wasn't connected at all to their nonsense. they would absolutely call early Ritchie a misogynist asshole that deserved to be cancelled for being an incel for example. I just can't with these liberal nigger culture vultures man.
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>>738667071
>What the fuck is the point of playing gachia?
I got stuck playing FGO for 5 years because I was heavily invested in the Fate franchise, it was simply fear that if I stopped playing I'd be missing out on the new stories and lore. I regret ever reading F/SN in the first place because of how much time I wasted on that garbage.
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>>738694520
you should not connected the gacha aids grab with an actual Fate product, cleanse your palette and watch UBW.
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>>738694713
FGO is canon, though, you've missed years of narrative
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>>738694776
Every FATE product is just part of a tapestry of alternate timelines and characters, I don't need to approve FGO unless it affects others directly.
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>>738694418
Both granblue and uma have real games out nigga.
In fact, granblue somehow has two, one of which is a fightan and the other is a MH clone that already got a mayor expansion out.
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I'll never understand people who participate in daily based rat race based slavery. It makes no sense at all and it such a waste of time, in any game not just gacha. Battlepasses, mmos. In mmos it uses to be the case that it was more in game event timers or player/guild organized.
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>>738694936
reading comprehension



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