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>be artist at game company
>see them hiring for AI art generation
JUST
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artniggers deserve the rope for postmodernist theory and all of the disgusting creations it spawned
I hope Claude rapes your asshole
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>faggots known for having zero creativity and just mindlessly copying the work of others want to use AI
Lol
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seething about ai is tranny coded.
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>>738669550
Loving AI is pajeet coded.
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>>738669421
Yeah im an "AI Creator" hire me, its literally so easy a fucking 12 year old could do it. Its not like skill in your craft matters anymore in 2026. everything is going to shit.
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>>738669421
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>artist draws hot chicks
>artists dies
>because of the current Zeitgeist all the new artists are just drawing old fat crippled chicks and nothing else

Yeah. A.I. is the Solution for this.
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>>738669421
That would be a fun job, it would probably be like an inspiration duty where you take the styles of your coworkers and then have AI create references and concepts they can use to refine their ideas and create new ones. Though that article says the opposite but I imagine they're lying. AI right now is more creative than people but isn't very productive.
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>>738669782
ok boomer
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>>738669719
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>>738669421
There's not much you can do to stop it. The major studios will all use it and you won't have anything but indie games as options if you boycott.
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>>738669549
>>738669719
>>738669782
>>738670104
>>738670248
Haha! You don't have a job and I do!
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>>738669421
Why would they do this? Lies of P was fantastic. It generated so much goodwill for them, and they burn it all away with this shitty move.
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>>738670785
>Why would they do this?
They're intelligent.
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Koreans gonna korea, absolute miracle we even got a good game from there. Cant expect another
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>>738669847
>>738670113
>>738670714
Don't care, shove it up your ass.
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>>738669421
That's the way to do it if you were going to do it. As long as they hire a Korean, which I don't expect would be hard to do.
Using AI art saves tens of millions of dollars that would be spent on professional artists.
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no amount of seething will make AI go away again.
it won't be nearly as useful as its shills want you to believe, but it's also not nearly as bad as the haters say.
it's just another tool that will be used whenever appropriate.
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>>738670806
More like retarded.
Oh well.
I'm not touching Lies of P 2 or any of their other future games in that case.
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>>738670018
It's the reverse, LLMs produce a lot of things, ergo "productive" but it doesn't create, it doesn't think, it copies and inserts machine randomness (randomness doesn't actually exist for computers) which carries no value for the consumer. You might as well have put your prompts as text in the game instead of the resulting image and you would have gotten the same result for the onlooker, like "here's an elf" instead of the resulting image slop.
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>>738670927
I'll help you understand.
>"Why would they hire someone that saves them time while enhancing their work?"
This is what you were really asking.
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>>738670878
We don't take kindly to nuanced takes around here.
Pick a side and declare the other side the embodiment of all evil, or else!
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>>738670964
We aren't talking about LLMs though, everyone is using those already. They're talking about getting an AI artist that can help their art team.

>"anon we want to create 100 slutty outfits like Stellar Blade but we only have 20 minutes for rough drafts!"
>say no more Kim Park Sung
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>>738669545
postmodernism ofc exclusive to fine arts, as we all know
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>>738670878
>it won't be nearly as useful as its shills want you to believe,
When you can give an AI an image and it produces a high quality game ready 3D asset, you don't think it will be the most useful technology for video games ever created? Because that's the future we're talking about.
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oh noooo digital fartists will have to actually learn how to draw
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>>738671193
saddest most delusional post in the entire thread. Not only you are incredibly stupid you are also evil.
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>>738670714
They have gallons of water to drink
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Total Artoid Death
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>>738670878
Exactly how I feel about it as someone that works professionally with it and makes tools that use it.
It is very useful and not going away, but big tech company CEOs and tech bros have created this idea that it can do all these crazy things it really can't do well at all, and the most annoying part of this job is having to always knock down people's expectations.
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>>738671193
"AI" are LLMs, hence why I call them that since it's not intelligent.
My point still stand, you might as well just write a book that tells the consumer to imagine 20 slutty outfits and this will yield better results if the only thing you have time for is to write.
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>>738671359
lmao.
>"anon we want 1,000 variations of this outfit to give players customization options and you only have 1 hour!!"
>It's Already Done
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>>738671696
>heh im so clever I dont call them intelligent
>checkmate
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>>738669421
There's literally nothing wrong with AI gen scenery assets. Obviously not set pieces, but shit like rocks, trees, and setting dressing were made for AI. What's the difference really between AI slop and asset store slop?
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>>738669421
>gooks continue to be lazy and uncreative
I don't know why I ever expect anything different
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>>738671696
LLMs output text they do not create art. They are also intelligent or they wouldn't be called AI.
And your point didn't stand because they're hiring an AI artists.
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>>738671836
>Obviously not set pieces
Can you explain what's obvious about this? If when using AI you can make a good set piece why wouldn't you use it? E33 was just a bunch of AI set pieces.
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>>738671715
Are your ridiculous hypothetical scenarios also AI generated?
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artist with his own design and aesthetic + using AI to multiply his work

I can be okay with this

My main hate with clankers is that everything they generate looks the fucking same and so soulless
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>>738669719
>loving ai makes you a jeet
>hating ai makes you a tranny
what side do I choose?
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>>738671752
Holy shit you are retarded, anyone can look clever next to you.
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>>738672102
I'll have to go with cow enjoyers on this one
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>>738669421
To be desu I suspect they were using LLMs to write/translate the flavor text and notes in LoP. There was something uncanny about them that was incredibly jarring to read.
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>>738671949
>LLMs output text they do not create art. They are also intelligent or they wouldn't be called AI.

you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about
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>>738672041
These aren't hypothetical, it's the job description. And you know that people have been doing this for years right?
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>>738671949
LLM output images, or 3D models, the same way they output text, by guessing the next value, letter or pixel. And no retard it's not because it's called intelligent that it is in the same way that "High definition" was used to sell 720p monitor which wasn't even high back then in 2010. "AI" is a scam word just like "the cloud" to scam retards like you.
My point still stand, just write your prompt directly to the consumer instead, it's called a book and has been very popular for centuries.
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>>738671752
>>738671949
are you pretending to be retarded?
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>>738669421
>artists try to keep try to gatekeep their skills
>random creative chump able to write coherent sentences to a computer can do everything they can
>several times a day
>without throwing hissy fits about creative process and vision
The smartest and most capable artists already jumped on the AI train and increased their abilities hundredfold.
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>>738671193
Kill yourself elfnigger
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>>738672102
You add "for the right reason".
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>>738672469
>>random creative chump able to write coherent sentences to a computer can do everything they can
AI retards actually believe this lmao
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>>738672232
You're just unintelligent.
>Google says hackers used AI to create zero day security flaw for the first time
This is a great example.

>>738672380
>AI isn't AI because it can get better
>HD isn't HD because higher resolutions exist
Extremely embarrassing post.
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>>738669421
Artist here. If you have taste and talent, you can craft beautiful works of art out of anything. And that includes crafting the perfect prompt to get exactly what you want out of an AI.

Shunning AI entirely is so dumb. In 5-10 years, it’ll just be a standard part of the workflow. If you’re an “artist” and get scared of AI stealing from you or taking your job, you are probably a lousy artist. If you are a no talent hack that thinks you can replace an artist with AI, you’re just gonna produce garbage slop that nobody is going to like.

I use both. Sometimes I make stuff entirely by myself, sometimes I make stuff entirely with AI, sometimes I use a mixture of both. I tell people that I do this, but don’t make a big deal about distinguishing between non-AI and AI / mixed work. I still have plenty of organic fans and still get commissions.
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>>738672521
post your art
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>>738672102
Cyborg with ai gf voice in your head.
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>>738672531
lmao
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>>738669421
personally I love stealing other people works
so all good for me, i'll buy the sequel
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>>738672469
>artists try to keep try to gatekeep their skills
Do the book writers also gatekeep prose from fanfic authors?
The shit you read here, I swear to god.
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>>738669421
>copied plot
>copied gamepay
>hiring AI artist
what a surprise, I'm astonished, bewildered even
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I have a team of about 30 3d visualization artists who have basically transitioned into this role. They still use 3d for rough inputs, composition, and occasionally when a product is being tricky with a generative model. They are super busy through an entire day, day in day out.

The work is largely similar, using node based UIs (comfy, weavy, flora) as well as nuke and photoshop to create images and videos. Its just that the rendering step (and honestly a lot of other pieces too) are replaced with generative models and tools.

Some of our scripts for really tricky builds are very complex, lots of different models/modalities mixed with operators and sometimes even some scripting.

Now, this isnt feature film vfx, this is arch viz and product viz for marketing... but we've migrated the vast majority of the work to native Gen AI, and its allowed for some scaling/velocity/automation, but also opened up tons of experimentation and possibilities that just weren't available to us or our marketing partners previously.

Im not sure if thats what this job is advertising for, but we definitely utilize the models mentioned, plus many others.

Im an old school vfx guy, worked at a lot of the big places, had my own place, won a couple awards here and there. I understand how wild and shitty things are right now, but I do believe we are just in a painful trough that new tech can cause as things stabilize/normalize.

TLDR, GenAI artist is a real role, with real tech, art, and problem solving skills that are needed.
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>>738672538
it's because they are forcing it, it should never be part of the workflow , not sure if it's going to help the dying industry
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>>738672749
>it should never be part of the workflow
According to you? Why?
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>>738670878
it will get banned soon
you know that too, that's why you're shilling for it now trying to save yourself
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>738672714
tl;dr retard
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>>738672494
Did you learn to draw yet?
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>>738672847
It looks bad, if they want me to waste $70 on a product then it should be top notch not mediocre slop.

I stand with the good artists. Imagine a Lies of P with EO58 artwork, it would be kino of the higest magnitude. Instead we have Lies of P with AI, a game that already looks and plays like slop
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Militant anti-"AI" folx are like vegans, you can't talk them out of it with logic, they're ideologically possessed
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>>738672697
You're intentionally misinterpreting what you read, as expected.
Words written by language model aren't REAL words, say writers.
Pictures made by noise reduction models aren't REAL pictures, artists.
Diamonds made in laboratory aren't REAL diamonds, say mine diamond racket kikes.
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>>738672864
People said this 5 years ago lol.
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>>738672910
Schizoid elfnigger
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>>738669421
Like all good artists they just need to blame the jews. The rest, as they say, is history.
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>>738672956
>It looks bad,
Nice fake opinion you have there. You can't even tell the difference.
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>>738673060
You are firing the entire artist talent for some mediocre Indian prompters while abusing the consumer.

No one is going to support projects like that. Specially when the price tag keeps increasing
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>>738670991
>while enhancing their work?"
AI doesn't do that though.
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>>738669421
are you going to apply /v/?
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>>738671949
the absolute state of sloppers lmao
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>>738672982
And if every man on the shores of the Circle Sea had a mountain of gold of his own? Would that be a good thing? What would happen?—think carefully.
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>>738669421
That's a funny way of saying "AI touchup grunt." No different than Subway calling their counter retards "sandwich artists"
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>>738672963
this
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>>738671268
That approach should be thought of as kind of a free "asset store" like the Unity or Unreal asset store, except with a much wider range of items. The point is if every game uses the same AI model to generate things then it's possible stuff will get a bit samey, however we are NO WHERE FUCKING NEAR that kind of ubiquity yet.
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>>738672531
Prove that you are able to think and denounce homosexuality.
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>>738673314
you are so fucking retarded
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>E=mc2+AI
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>>738673373
>The point is if every game uses the same AI model to generate things then it's possible stuff will get a bit samey,
You don't know much about AI. Educate yourself on it.
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>>738669421
>be Kazuma Kaneko
>have a recognizable and iconic style
>get to work your own game
>train ai off of your art
>takes more time to fix the generate shit than actually drawing it
If you look at most of the demon designs for Tsukiyomi, it look like dogshit.
I don't want to hear "he didn't do it right". AI is ideafag technology. If it doesn't benefit the people with skills, then why use it?
I would only use it to alter a reference.
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>>738672982
Don't they intentionally limit lab made diamond production or you get killed right now? What was it about "can't stop progress" lmao you can! Turns out you just need a shotgun to quiet those nerds get rekt.
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>>738672963
nah, there are clear conditions that could be met to get artists and anti-AI on board, but botlickers don't care. you're nihilists who are happy to consume slop. you jeet at artists and call their work shit despite that same art being used to power the slop you consume.
oh well. the snake will inevitably eat its tail.
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And there goes all my hype for road to oz
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>>738673486
I know you can use loras to get the most unique outputs out of a mode, but 90% of people just aren't doing that. They just stick with the base model and text prompts. There's only so many sentences you can feed an AI before two people are generating the same content.
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>>738673628
>mode
model*
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>>738669421
AI is just a tool.
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>>738673526
>I don't want to hear "he didn't do it right".
Why when it's the truth? He used SD1.5 so obviously he used it too early not to mention he didn't hire a pro like this company is doing, he did it himself.
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>>738672963
No, they are the anti-capitalism retards that actually make capitalism look good due to their retardation and then take so much of the talking space that it's like there are no good counter-arguments at all! Remember occ*py wall street, it's as if they work for the banks. If I was Sam Altman, I would hire a bunch of retard leftists to shit on LLM (call them "AI" please. It's a vaccine not a genetic therapy injection!) to make his position look good without needing a single argument in his favor.
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80% of people have no soul. Mainstream products, even before AI, were already "slop", because they cater to the masses, and the masses are just cattle.
What's going to happen now is another step toward stripping the soul from entertainment products, and an even sharper divide between the cattle and the smart ones who exploit them.
As I always say, the NVidia jacket chink who's trying to convince every video game player of how great AI art is doesn't decorate his mansion with AI art, but with human art because that has value and history.
AI-Slop for you, valuable human art for me.
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>>738673760
>he used it too early not to mention
He should of waited two more weeks, sir.
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>>738673408
I'll rephrase it for you because it's plain that you can't deal with abstract thinking.
What would've happened if you gave everyone in the world a million dollars?
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>>738673628
You don't need to use loras, there are countless styles embedded into any model. For example: https://tagexplorer.github.io/#/artists
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>>738673901
the fact you think this has anything to do with AI helping artists is baffling
you can't get more retarded than this
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>>738672538
>If you are a no talent hack that thinks you can replace an artist with AI, you’re just gonna produce garbage slop that nobody is going to like.

retarded take. flooding the space with garbage absolutely does make it harder to find quality art.
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>>738669421
You use AI to iterate among different composition/colors/stuff (that you came up with), then when you get something that convinces you you do it for real.
That's it, that's how you use AI in an actual artist workflow.
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>>738673314
>And if every man on the shores of the Circle Sea had a mountain of gold of his own? Would that be a good thing?
What a hilariously bad analogy.
> what if every man had a mountain of gold?
As opposed to
> every man HAS a mountain of gold

Your imolciation is that if you shit your pants and scream and throw a tantrum, it invalidates the golds existence and it isn't real.
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>>738674018
good thing AI is better than most human art
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>>738673901
Money is apparently able to fructify and totally not sterile guise so giving RoGs one millie is probably fertile for the economy. Food comes from the supermarket not from farms don't you know?
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>>738674142
I see my analogy really was too hard for AI lovers. Sorry for bothering you then.
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>>738669421
>cutting jobs just to replace them by talentless hacks
this isn't about saving money anymore
just pure enshittification of everything, like moloch intended
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>>738674329
no one cares that artists are losing their worth
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>>738673943
Even so, those styles are set in stone for that particular model which means if devs use make a lot of games using a particular model then they may start to congregate around some specific styles which leads to overlapping generations, and then this leads to "Hey look! It's the fucking AI STYLE!" critiques from the masses, which is a death sentence. Just like with Ghibli. Just like with Greg Rutkowski. Or the 2.5D look with shiny skin.
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>>738673752
Wrong. It's more than a tool. It's a replacement. Soon enough it will be superior to humans and no one will want to consume inferior human content.
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>>738674165
Tell me something: if your daughter draws a picture of a cat, are you going to proudly display it in your office, or are you going to feed a prompt to create a cat drawing, print it out, and put that one up instead, because it is "better"?
If you understand what I’m saying, congratulations, you’ve just discovered that art carries more meaning than the work itself.

>>738672538
If you really are an artist (which I doubt, because you clearly have no understanding of the philosophy behind art), then you’re just an idiot.
Your opinion is one of the stupidest things I’ve read on 4chan this year, including shitposts from literal retards.
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>>738674441
2 more weeks trust the plan
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>>738669421
TOTAL
ARTIST
DEATH
reminder art degrees are the biggest red flag and anyone who doesn't think they all should be gassed should be thrown in the chamber with them after robots take over
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>>738674401
>Even so, those styles are set in stone for that particular model
You've apparently never used AI before. Each of those styles can be mixed with any number of other styles and artists and render tricks meaning the amount of styles in a typical model is virtually countless.

>"Hey look! It's the fucking AI STYLE!" critiques from the masses, which is a death sentence.
Regular people like AI styles, it's not a death sentence at all. Only leftytroons seethe and act like their whining matters. E33, Crimson Desert, NTE, Stellar Blade, Nikke, and more use AI art and they're doing just fine. Most people thought Palworld used it too and look how they did. There's a reason game companies are constantly saying they're adopting AI and hiring people to use it, it's because there is no stigma. The death throes of luddites don't matter.
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>>738669545
Kys, Ai-slopper anti-art
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>>738674441
if it's like cuckpilot, I'm not holding my breath.
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>>738674617
my daughter uses AI and we all like her art
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Funny story: I decided not to use AI while working on a small WEG (Western erotic game) project, and when I finally finished it and was ready to try AI to improve my work, I read the reviews and people were celebrating the fact that it wasn’t just another AI project in a sea of AI projects.
In other words, not using AI became a selling point at a time when every Indian is using AI to try to make easy money on Patreon or some shit.
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>>738674617
>>738674824
reminds me of this
https://x.com/Ronald_vanLoon/status/2052281558770294901
>christmas time, kids getting these and loving them
>seething trannies on twitter saying the world is ending while kids make cool art
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>>738670878
people wouldnt hate AI if it wasnt destroying the environments worse than entire cities and corpo faggots werent constantly trying to shove it down our throats
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>>738669549
What did they copy?
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I don't particularly care much if the end result is good. In practice it often isn't, but often doesn't mean always.
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Damn, guess I won't be buying their next game. Shame.
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>>738669847
Why would anyone defend AI?
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>>738675009
it's based
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>>738670878
That's true, the problem is that greedy idiots are speculating on it like never before, using it to enshittifying everything in the process.
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>>738671268
2 more weeks bro
2 more trillions bro cmon we're on the edge of a breakthrough I swear
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>>738674725
sour grapes: the post
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>>738669421
Extremely based
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>>738672864
>it will get banned soon
This but unironically

>>738672997
It's actually happening now though
I've seen it multiple times on the news in my EU country that people are not liking how AI can be used to make deepfakes of underage girls.
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>>738675194
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RVevxSl0DA
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>>738675038
Based on what?
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>>738674813
You're the one who will either starve or rope
And screaming AI art isn't real art won't save your sore anus from getting raped over and over and over by ai niggers
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>>738674621
As we speak human mathematicians are trembling at the prospect of being made obsolete. Redditors think they can stop this train through sheer force of will. Not happening. It's over for meatbags.
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>>738675252
>It's actually happening now though
2 more weeks
>in my EU country
you mean muslim country? irrelevant
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>>738674927
That thing you posted is a really cool toy. I'd buy it for my kids and nieces and nephews.
But it's just a toy.
Encouraging children to create art isn't just about fun. It's no coincidence that early childhood education throughout the civilized world includes the arts.
But why waste time on these things? We live in the age of slop. Get in line for the vaccine, vote for the red or blue Jew, and then watch your son come back in a coffin because he was fighting for Israel, goyim. It's the only thing you deserve.
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Note how the AIfag's argument always comes down to monetary value.
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Ai is just retarded when it comes to system thinking
That's coming from someone using ai a lot and I mean a lot, mainly local ai cuz fuck big corpos
Anyway if you're not a system thinker, you're fucked kek
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>>738675260
buy an ad
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>>738675394
>projection
And if every man on the shores of the Circle Sea had a mountain of gold of his own? Would that be a good thing? What would happen?—think carefully.
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>>738675394
Protecting much?
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>>738669421
>be artist
Deserved desu senpai
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>>738675304
good morning sir. please do the needful and leave us out from your sodomite fantasies. thank you. rape you next week!
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>>738675450
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4jV7O8SMGE
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>>738669421
guess you won't mind me not buying your game then
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.....
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>>738675394
Because AIfags are all jeets looking to get rich quick off of scams in typical jeet fashion
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>>738675335
Sorry mate but all your American companies are the little bitches of the EU. When they say no they ALL comply.
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>>738675632
how's that twitter ban going?
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>>738675038
What makes it "based"? What does that term even mean anymore?
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>>738675394
They seem to think that they'll be able to be paid premium salary to throw in some prompts once per day. It's almost adorable.

>>738675463
Don't use that quote without understanding it, motherfucker.
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I'm starting to think every AI advocate might actually just be a chatbot.
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>>738675678
>twitter ban going
???
It isn't banned in the EU?
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AI artists are getting hired instead of pencil pushers
lefties are seething
AI won
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ai artists are starting to put their names and being proud of their artwork, some are stealthly on boorus, it's so ogre
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>>738675501
You can call me jeet all day long, it won't change reality
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>AI this AI that
It's not even AI you retarded Indians. It's fucking marketing. Anybody who uses the abbreviation AI unironically is not fit for any discussion or life itself.
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>>738669545
Ai will cause such a rebound it'll be hilarious. Think covid when corporate journalists screamed that offices are dead.
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>>738673607
You're rigging the definition of slop in order to stay all AI content is automatically slop. This is pure religion.
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>>738669421
>>738673227
>AI Creator
Motherfucker just get a random intern to do it, why do you even need to hire for this?
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>>738676186
Indians will hire their friends for these positions and pay them big bucks so they can get more bobs and vagene.
Cultural collapse and the end of human endeavor doesn’t matter to them.
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>>738669545
>art
>theory
>videogames
You're talking about three completely different things dumbass. Your brain is slop.
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>AIfags post shit like "WOW, this only took less than a week to make by just one person! Hollywood is FINISHED"
>People point out is no different that the slop that's already coming out from Hollywood
>Their only response is citing how cheap it is vs a million dollar budget

The only contribution AI as of right is making is just adding more to the pool of slop shoved down our throats, but at a faster rate. All this shit just to get garbage that's as shallow as Ready Player One whilst making fun of othera for baseding out to marvel shit.
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>>738675963
I will because you are lmao
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>>738676186
A professional artist like has better taste. This is so obvious. Are you retarded or something?
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>>738676375
Why did you think of Indians unprompted? Could it be you are one yourself, pushing cultural marxism to ruin the west?
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>AI creator
Lol
LMAO
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>>738675009
it increases my izzat
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>>738669421
That's some E=MC2+AI level of headline.
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>>738676491
>but call him a jeet and see how he recoils!
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>>738670878
AI is currently being inflated by stupid investor funding that will never pay off. When the bubble bursts, people are not only going to have a sour taste in their mouths but these things are going to drop in quality. All the free LLMs are going to become closer to old chatbots and keyboard prediction programs more than they already are. And who knows what the cost will be if you want to keep using the already existing slop. How much money will they ask of you that will make it profitable for them? They need the consumer to replace trillions of dollars of investor funding.
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>>738669421
Fun. I planned to buy and go this game at the next week. Shame, but it is a little shuffle in the backlog
>>738675009
>they have no real skills and happy that they are "on the same level" as people who have
>they are morons who have no taste and groomed to consooom so much that they sincerely does not see the ugliness of slop
>they are retards who belive in the basic in the world of agi because the smart tech man (elon mask, lol) told them so
>they are just contrarians and grifters
pick any combination. My job is not in danger zone from the "AI", but I am not illiterate and my hobbies are fucked hard because of this shit
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>>738676409
English speak don't you be?
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>>738676327
speak for yourself, faggot

ai is fun :3
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Even the "normiest" of normies inherently recognizes that AI is soulless slop. They'll pay for Hollywood slop but won't for AI slop. This is why every AI company worth their salt already pivoted away from consumers and moved to pandering to businesses instead. They shut down Sora 2.
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>>738676634
2 more weeks
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>>738674974
From games, very cluelessly. An european fairytale, and they made it gay.
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>>738676689
you don't go outside
normies love AI
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>>738676652
Mine was. Fiction writing is being lost in a sea of jeet-flavored garbage due to how easy it is to self-publish.
I might kill myself.
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>>738676634
>AI is used because its cheap and efficient but forsakes quality
>AI companies currently DO NOT MAKE MONEY and rely entirely on outside money coming in from investors
>eventually investors will come to collect and we are year 4 into this new technology
>AI companies implement monetization models
>woops turns out these fuckhuge data centers are expensive as fuck so you get charged out the ass
>AI is no longer cheap but it is efficient at making lower quality products
>suddenly tons of companies start getting cold feet about the whole AI thing
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>>738669847
The Luddites were and are correct thoughbeit
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>>738669421
>people are shocked the company that completely ripped off Bloodborne is now trying to ripoff literally everyone
whoa..
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>>738676689
lol wut?
Nigger my co-workers hate AI slop, especially the older guys close to retirement. I've walked in on them ranting about fake AI slop videos polluting their social media feed several times. They even use the term "AI slop" irl since that sentiment is so pervasive its escaped the internet and entered normalfag vernacular.
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>>738674973
Doesn't AI have less overall environmental impact than something like Netflix?
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>>738676668
What are you trying to say esl?
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>>738677051
fuck meant for >>738676860
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>>738677054
shut the FUCK up
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>>738676860
>you don't go outside
I literally just went today to get some new bread

>normies love AI
Yeah for like 5 minutes. They generate a image of a cat in space, chuckle and then drop the subscription because no matter how much they generate it's soulless slop with no intrinsic value.
AIbro if you want to shill your AI you should come up with some shit on how it will magically help your business somehow instead.
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>>738677059
The clue is in the post it's responding to. I believe in you!
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>>738675009
Because it gives them the illusion that they are talented, it's also every retarded boomer's dream of "press button to get a logo/banner/design" come true. There's also the camp that defend it solely because it makes the artfags mad, which speaking as an artfag myself, yes artfags tend to be very annoying.
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>>738669545
(You) have masterfully demonstrated how low-iq AI lovers are in one fell swoop.
and that's not even counting the frogpost, amazing!
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>muh environment
shitlibs and ecofascists need to be bullied relentlessly
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>>738677193
>how it will magically help your business somehow instead
>proceeds to hallucinate a 100% off coupon dral you have to honor and ruins your business
t-thanks
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>>738670714
getting ass-raped in gas stations bathrooms is not a job, Anon, no matter how much truckers pay (You)...
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>>738677193
Literally every student uses AI to cheat on their exams. OpenAI alone make billions based on consumer subscriptions. Tiktok is filled with AI meme videos. You live in a fantasy world.
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>>738677193
delusional retard
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>>738672102
Trannies aren't unanimous in hating AI. There are tons of trannies that are pro AI. Especially early on, ALL the early adopters were transgender. Autistic male trannies love experimenting with custom coding projects. People only scapegoat trannies because they have no other demographic to scapegoat.
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>>738675887
why is a sperm about to impregnate mario's coffeebussy?
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>>738675009
They unironically think they're gonna profit from it
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>>738677212
What you wrote was complete gibberish. You really must be retarded.
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>>738676552
I'm an artist you bloody bastrad bitch
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>>738677335
>There's also the camp that defend it solely because it makes the artfags mad, which speaking as an artfag myself, yes artfags tend to be very annoying.
I never think about artists, they literally don't exist in my mind until AIfags remind me of them. But AIfags act like twitter artists personally killed their dog or some shit with how much they hate them.

But despite hating artists and their annoying behavior AIfags behave 1:1 just like faggot artists on twatter. I will see AIfags claim that their prompts belong to them and other AIfags using similar prompts is stealing from them. I also see AIfags shitting on each other over their ability to prompt stuff in the same way twatter artists dick wave each other. Is this specific camp of AIfags all just failed artists or some shit?

I do think a lot of AIfags hate twitter artists because they see it as an easy way to fleece first worlders because the price of commission is 10x more than their regional wages so its an easy way to make lots of money fast. And they see AI as god's gift to humanity because it lets them run a scamtreon to get artist commissions using AI.
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>>738675009
Why wouldn't we? You know if it isn't successful the entire economy crumbles right? Were not going back to manufacturing or any of that gay fucking shit. Americans are not actually interested in working in a fucking factory or any of that gay shit. We are interested in being elevated above all else which equals getting rid of as much work as possible so we can be as fat lazy and entitled as possible and that is and always was the end goal of all progress. Work is gay.
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>>738671715
Now make this 3D, sharing a consistent style with the other 999 outfits, and make it not ugly as shit.
I can't tell if you faggots are trolls or actually delusional if you think that shit looks good.
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>>738677806
What you’re talking about reminds me of that stupid fruit AI TikTok shit that started a genuine flame war between the fruitgenners.
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>>738677806
>But AIfags act like twitter artists personally killed their dog or some shit with how much they hate them.
it's either sour grapes because they're too lazy and retarded to learn a skill or some sort of equally moronic "revolution" jeets are having against the higher caste they perceive artists to be of or whatever these dung eaters believe in. I've never seen an e.g. photographer think he's "sticking it to the artists" by taking a photo yet here we are with sloppers attempting some sort of stolen valor on artists lmao. just embarassing
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>on the verge of standardized intelligent interfaces
>shareholders push for AI in everything in the most retarded ways causing massive backlash
>this tech will stagnate for another 20 years because of this shit
Why are AIfags so retarded?
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>>738677830
>we
you are not american you lazy brown faggot lmoa
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>>738675009
Because there's a chance it leads to cheaper games that are quicker to make?
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>>738675207
struck a nerve, inkcel?
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>>738678079
AI is like god's ambrosia for retarded C suite executives
Its cheap, efficient, and it only compromises the quality of your product. But enshittification has been the norm for 20 years now so that isn't even a downside.
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>>738677838
>so mad he can't be logical
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>>738669545
Why do artists deserve the blame for what philosophers came up with?
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>>738669550
>>738669719
Both are correct.
>>738672102
You could always be a moderate centrist.
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>>738678301
He doesn’t know the difference. His educational background is opinion pieces.
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>>738678079
Anti-AI fags being so emotionally invested in AI failing means that they will be devastated when AI continues to succeed. It's all just so sweet.
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>>738677583
99% of trannies are leftists
80% of leftists hate AI or they get excised from their communities
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>>738669421
Im not an art fag, but how time consuming would it be to use ai to render something but have an artist layer over it to look less ai
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>>738678512
not long considering people can barely tell AI is AI without touch ups
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>>738678512
Going back to rotoscoping isn’t really the win AI pushers want.
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>>738678374
Not even intelligent opinion pieces. Probably reads the Daily Express or the National Enquirer.
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>>738678617
You sound like one of those people who insist "no one can tell the difference between biological women and trans women."
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>>738678512
Why would you not just have the artist do all of the work though? Artists are the lowest rung of any company employing them and get paid peanuts, may as well have them just do the work all the way through instead of having the AI shit out something semi-workable and then paying a guy to fix it.
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>>738678657
>>738678374
they're educated on low IQ twitter bot posts primarily
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>>738678423
You people are the secondest biggest reason it's going to stagnate for years to come. Which sucks because there's lot of cool and useful ways to use it but no it's more important to you to "own the libs" and bait people to the point AI use becomes a negative polarization point.
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>>738678737
You can save time and money. This is all very obvious.
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>>738678617
>people can barely tell AI is Ai
lmaooo is this what sloppers tell themselves?
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>>738678728
we can always tell, troon
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>>738678760
You can't change reality through sheer force of will. It doesn't matter how hard you hope for something, the universe does not care about your personal preference. You are nothing. You have zero effect.
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>only geriatric males and indians like AI
is this a good sign or a bad sign?
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>>738678903
keep lying to yourself retard
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>>738669421
What a shame
Guess I don't want to play the sequel to Lies of P after all
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>>738679095
Guess you'll be playing nothing but indie trash in the future.
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>game about lying your way to humanity
>devs use AI to lie about their talent
Oh fuck were the devs puppets the whole time?!
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>>738678903
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>>738675009
Indian
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>>738679094
comedy gold lol
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>>738678760
The actual cool technology in gaming is proceduralism, ex:
https://x.com/anastasiaopara/status/1454793167530778628

But because this is actual progress shareholders won't push for it, instead they smell the money from the scam that is AI.

If we lived in a scam-free society then Henry Ford would be a hero instead of a pariah.
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>>738672102
Just be indifferent.
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>>738671193
>These are all slop
As many times as I've gotten stuck on an idea and fell to AI to try to give me some sort of out. The shit I get back is usually less than worthless since the majority of the shit is sourced from reddit and almost all reddit ideas are less than worthless
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haha the day 4chan stood with redditors on ai, I knew this place was fucked - makes good circus tho, seeing you all call everyone subIQ when they're making the easiest profit since Bitcoin
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>>738669782
Only idiots think that things are easy.
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>>738675009
I'm in favor of smaller teams making bigger games. Doubly so, since institutional power seems to be mostly opposed to what I like.
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>>738670785
No one wants your shitty good will. I liked Lies of P and support this. Aside from a few bullshit things like losing your opportunity to fight the last boss with a yes/no dialogue option and overpriced dlc. I want your AI hating ass gone.
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>>738679094
>>738679207
hahaha holy cope. now post what you generated that you believe is indistinguishable from nonAI stuff instead of some samefag idiocy and a literal twitter screencap, poojari
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>>738670113
Yes but they aren't artists.
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>>738679512
Your opinion on the examples has nothing to do with the point. The fact is that AI artists are being hired and I was telling you some of what they'll be doing.
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>>738678091
You really think they will lower the price of games, silly goy?
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>>738674887
I had something similar although I got one seether who because my art was inconsistent at times said
>HEH THIS GUY IS AN AI SLOPPER
>THE SIZE OF THESE BOOBS IS DIFFERENT BETWEEN SCENES
Getting accused of being a slopper because you're meh at art is a foul taste in my mouth

If I ever make my bag I'm leaving creative fields all together
I don't like making shit for consumers is what I've realized
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ive noticed ai sloppers get very angry when you ask them to simply disclose that they''ve used ai
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>>738679914
Nintendo just started to do it, it's possible.
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>>738679851
Oh it's this mentally ill faggot. Why did I bother replying
If sloppers are being hired why are you still fucking unemployed and posting on /v/ all day you fucking mentally ill jeet
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>>738678760
Do you think AI jeets are the ones making this shit? It's white and Chinese men.
Jeets are just running around pretending they are geniuses, they aren't making shit.
It won't stagnate because they exist. It just makes the internet more annoying.
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>>738679914
its basic economics
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>>738680014
>no argument and baseless name calling
>calls me mentally ill
lmao calm down spergy.
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>>738679165
Damn straight
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>>738677583
same with jeets, not all of them like AI. but whatever the train will still go on!
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>>738680035
Intermediate economics says the prices will never go down as long as 80$ is a price the average goy can pay, even if the dev budget is reduced to a tenth.
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>>738678851
Time saved in having the AI shit out something semi-workable is lost in the time taken to fix it.
>t. forced by management to use AI where it doesn't belong
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>>738680208
>games cost a fraction of time to make
>more games created as a result
>more games in the market means more competition
>more competition means price competition
>price competition means lower prices
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>>738679940
>Getting accused of being a slopper because you're meh at art is a foul taste in my mouth
People are idiots
AI doesn't make "meh" art, it makes highly technically proficient images that are absolute fucking garbage in every other respect
Anyone who confuses "meh" art for AI slop because it has a couple of flaws is a massive fucking retard
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>>738680320
>he thinks the economy actually works like this
Sweet summer child its been fake and gay for decades now. AI could be a literal miracle of productivity and faggots would still charge you 80$ for a AAA game and just pocket the money they save from not paying people.
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>>738680431
why are indie games cheap, retard?
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>>738680320
On the contrary, the absolute flood of slop won't be "competition", it will just make people flock to recognizable brands even more. IPs will become even more valuable and the publishers that own them will be able to charge what they like.
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>>738669421
not like anybody cares but i work as an art lead in a bigger game dev studio, and you are required by managers to use AI
worst part? they basically trippled how much stuff we have to do so you have to use upscaling and generation anyway to make anything on time

personally i dont care, i think its already over, you either adapt or get left behind
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>>738680390
That's very uplifting for me. Thanks anon
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Why are people so fuckin' hyped for the technological equivelent of clip art anyway? AI art by it's very nature is designed to be glazed over
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>>738680492
It already is competition and your recognizable brands are using it too. You morons literally cannot think logically, none of what I said excludes AAAs.
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>>738680473
NTA
Because they don't have brand recognition or a big enough scope or production values to charge full price
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>>738680473
Because indie games are made by actual people that probably also think "damn, I probably wouldn't want to pay more than X for this game" so they price it as such?
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>>738680596
>It already is competition and your recognizable brands are using it too.
And yet the prices remain high...
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>>738680473
Game pricing is based on content expectations, not development costs.
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>>738680320
>indie scene gets flooded with pic rel
>people just stop playing games
infinite white noise generator is just going to make people give up on the hobby because fucking going through thousands of pic rel to find a semi-decent game
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>>738680613
>>738680648
It's because they are cheap to make and tons of them are constantly releasing. They're forced and able to sell them lower and so they do. This will apply to more expensive games as AI improves. Get it? I doubt it, you're idiots.

>>738680675
Can you not understand why? We're talking about the future, that place low IQs like you can't conceptualize.

>>738680687
That's just a factor.
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>>738675009
AI is fun
people angrily screeching about AI like rabid foxes every chance they get are annoying
screeching
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>>738680702
It's why a lot of websites are adding in
>Filter for Ai
Which is why the tardos are trying to be sneaky and saying
>No ai here sir

If Ai slop was truly competitive and people wanted it, they would create sites specifically for sloppa and not post in actual user created forums
Instead they want to sneak in and pretend like they're the equivalent of good games
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>>738669545
You might be able to generate a picture nowadays, but you will never be able to generate an artistic vision.
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>>738680857
I get it. You're just incorrect.
>We're talking about the future
That magical place that will be perfect and wonderful just because you want it to be.
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It's crazy that the most common course of action when losing an Internet arguing has been the same for 30 years: double down and tell yourself you're just baiting.
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>>738669545
based
>the seethe directed at this post
kek
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>>738680872
>if I have fun with it it must be good, and anybody who has reservations is just a stupid head
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>>738669421
that's one way to tank the reputation of a new IP
normalfags aren't going to like this one bit
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>>738669421
>AI
>creativity
It's glorified kitbashing, but with gambling.
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>>738669545
/thread
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>>738680908
Yeah, if AI was genuinely good they wouldn't be trying to hide its involvement at every opportunity.
They get so angry about people wanting filters, too
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>>738680982
You don't get it, this is the most basic reality and it's been unfolding all around us. What thread do you think you're in? How do you think technology like DLSS5 will affect game development? Why did Playstation just talk about its new AI tools the other day?
>NOOOO
This isn't an argument.
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>>738681057
yup
someone screaming into my ear that I'm single-handedly decimating 5 million american households because I laughed at an AI-generated video of black people going to the Shape Store tends to get on your nerves after a while
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>>738669545
Not every artnigger is a pretentious, ugliness-worshipping subversive
And even if they were, AI slop would still be a massive downgrade
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>>738679207
Ah I remember this shit. The faggot specifically chose pretty low res pictures and most human works were pretty bad or very nonsensical while AI ones were carefully tossed around them.
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>How did you know that I was using AI and that I'm trans??
AI trannies are never very good at hiding it since they have no clue what they're actually doing everytime.
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>>738681186
yep but AI worshipping jeets live in delusion land so real life observations like yours won't get to them
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>>738681346
Leftists do take it too far. It's just a matter of dogma for them. I hate that they're such stupid cunts about it because there are plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike AI, and leftfaggot sperging just leads to it becoming a left vs right issue
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>>738681479
>tranny projecting
you will never be a real woman
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>>738681458
I have yet to see AI advocates make an argument that isn't incredibly fucking dishonest
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>>738681113
Oh, and one more thing. You just cannot deny how much internet suffered either because of slop articles or slop pictures of real animals, so you cannot be even sure if stuff is actually properly portrayed.
It's identical to pouring waste into river because it's easier that way.
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>>738681542
>it's real
kek
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>>738681571
Says the AIfag pretending to be something they're not just like a tranny would.
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>>738681603
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>>738681542
The only thing I hate more than leftists poisoning AI discussion is dishonest faggots like you pretending they're the only ones opposing it
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>>738675009
I can understand someone saying it is like a game, chating, make some image for your silly character that you use yourself for dnd and some porn for the moment. But a company using Ai just means they are cutting corners and making something low quality. There is always the strawman of lefties and whatever but you know those peoples are schizos or indians. In something like Lies of P? I can only see how they are going to do some concept art but end up wasting more time trying to tard wrangle the AI and training it instead of doing rough sketchest like we have been doing for decades.
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>>738681713
it's simply a fact that the vast majority are leftists, no one is saying it's only them
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>>738669421
>soulless soul knockoff becomes soulless soul sloppa knockoff
Holy crackers no way
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>>738681682
>pretending to be something they're not just like a tranny would.
mind quoting the part where I did that, projecting troon? you're still a man btw
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>>738680872
Yeah it is fun but I wouldn't buy it from you. This seems to be a controversial statement among the AI crowd.
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>>738669421
It's over.
Everything in the future will be AI generated slop.
There is trillion+ dollars industry in the bubble. The New World Order will push it. There is resistance now but I'm 100% sure they will succeed. It takes time but it will be normalized for future generation. It is their goal.
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anyone who wants to replace human artistry with a robot should be arrested and executed for being traitors to our species desu
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>>738669421
First time having your goat be washed? Just be happy we got LoP I guess. Play AI Limit and Khazan next.
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>>738670806
Has any company actually made more money off of AI than they've lost yet?
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>>738681772
I mean, I don't really care what you do with your money.
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>>738681786
Desu!
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>>738681703
Why do so many people incorporate rampant dishonesty into their cultural or ideological beliefs
This shit actively makes the world a miserable place
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>>738681713
>its not just leftytroons that hate AI
this isn't a good argument coming from a leftytroon like you
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>>738681770
>mind quoting the part where I did that
You're the one getting upset over the facts about being an AI tranny in the first place.
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>>738680971
>redditbob poster talking about artistic vision
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>>738681713
They're the vast majority.
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>>738681603
you're replying to a liar for starters, the guy that did the survey isn't even pro-AI and it was a fair test
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>combine the creativity of artists with the productivity of AI
Oxymoron
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I can take or leave AI but I do always find it interesting how much visual artists are offended by it when writers and musicians are basically going "eh whatever it's not as good as me anyways".
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>>738681837
Business do care, that's the point. Some people take offense on consumers choosing not to buy products with generated assets.
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>>738681752
Okay, thank you for conceding that at least.
And I don't mean that in the smug "I accept your concession" kind of way, just that I respect intellectual honesty
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>>738681851
>begins to project even harder
the absolute state
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>>738681864
You wouldn't know about artistic vision, go back to jerking it to your AI gooner slop, useless faggot.
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>>738675009
Jeets, it's jeets.
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>>738681908
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>>738681786
This.
Notice how AIsloppers always push their shit on 4chan instead of posting on their AIslop board with AIbots. They're starving for human attention.
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>>738681776
>It takes time but it will be normalized for future generation.
As surely as horse armor led to the microtransaction hellscape we have today. Corponiggers are constantly trying to push the envelope of what they can get away with and redefine what we accept as normal
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>>738681946
>gooner
Go back to whatever normalfag shithole you came from.
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Why are people so anti-AI? It's really more of a force multiplier than a replacement anyway. Similar to computers.
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>>738675009
AI is very popular among boomers who passed their prime. They can't compete with new generation of artist so they want to destroy them.
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>>738681928
Businesses take offense when consumers choose not to buy their products for any reason, period.
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>>738681930
You'd be hard pressed to find someone that isn't on the left crying about it though because crying about it practically requires that you're highly mentally retarded(meaning you're a lefty).
Right leaning gripes with AI will be highly nuances focused on the people who control big tech being jewish and things like that. They won't be whining about the objectively high quality art it puts out, voice actors losing their jobs, or copyrights.
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>>738680208
Gamers would pay $150 per games if the games were actually good instead of AAA garbage.
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>>738681848
And now I'm back to hating leftists for being such rampantly dishonest cunts all the time and destroying trust
There's nothing I can say to convince you I'm not a leftist, because anything I say, an actual gaslighting leftist would also say
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>>738682119
AIslop will never be accepted, cope.
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>>738681703
sickening and literally subhuman. no wonder they worship sloppa
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>>738681786
Reddit is down the hall and to the left.
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>>738682006
they aren't, you're reading the posts of low IQ sub-humans
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>>738681703
I won't read your wall of text to learn about your izzat you retarded jeet
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>>738682180
r/defendingaiart would be a good home for you.
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>>738682006
AI has become bafflingly partisan despite no one involved with AI development giving a fuck about sides at all. The Right sucks AI dick no matter how fucking shitty it is and lie to themselves that AI content looks good because they're too fucking stupid to see through obvious problems. The Left demonizes AI and pretends it's some society ending catastrophe instead of the latest on a long-line of automation advances, ignoring the actual problems it might pose in favour of virtue signalling because they're too fucking stupid to judge it objectively. Both sides feed each other arguing and then neither bothers to learn shit about the subject.
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>>738682060
Yeah but usually they change tactics after flop but when it comes to AI they reprimand the consumer base for not adopting slop.
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>>738682273
>he actually knows the name of some random pro-AI subreddit
kek you're actually a Redditor.
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SAARS
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>>738682313
You're retarded, 99% of the right besides tech billionaires hate AI because it's going to take all their jobs.
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>>738682164
>There's nothing I can say to convince you I'm not a leftist,
You can try but it's highly likely you're just fooling yourself thinking you aren't a lefty when you are probably right on their side.

>what do you think about data centers?
>can AI make art?
>is AI a tool for artists?
>should professional artists use AI?
>of what quality is AI art/music/video/song on average?
>is open source AI a good thing?
>do you think products using AI need to disclose its use?
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>>738674813
Even early in AI art days a piece went on to win a competition from human judges
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>>738682168
"Accepted"? Hahaha
"Accepted", imagine being raped and you go "well at least I'm not accepting this" lmao
You know what else is not "accepted"? Immigration, still happening.
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>>738682313
The left is more correct because AI is a technological advancement that doesn't actually generate new jobs that can replace the old ones at a comparable rate.
The industrial revolution may have destroyed the cottage industry, but there were at least (shitty) factories to work in.
AI gives you nothing and takes everything.
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>>738681907
I took the test personally saar.
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>>738682445
NTA, but I know immigration is happening. It's how we got flooded with "E=MC^2+AI" browns like you.
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>>738676634
>AI is currently being inflated by stupid investor funding that will never pay off
Yup
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>>738680971
>Gemini write me a prompt for a new unique AI image generation style
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>>738682405
how do you take a job of an owner
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>>738682514
Oh and some of the people who participated in the test
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>>738682119
>You'd be hard pressed to find someone that isn't on the left crying about it though because crying about it practically requires that you're highly mentally retarded(meaning you're a lefty).
I see a lot of opposition to it here, and using actual arguments. Leftists don't make arguments, they just shriek dogmatically.
>Right leaning gripes with AI will be highly nuances focused on the people who control big tech being jewish and things like that. They won't be whining about the objectively high quality art it puts out, voice actors losing their jobs, or copyrights.
Incorrect. You've basically set up a thought-terminating cliche for yourself where you can automatically dismiss as a leftist someone who talks about art or jobs. I'm right leaning, and I am concerned about globohomo being in charge of AI, and I consider AI "art" to be unmitigated slop. I don't care about voice actors, but I care about jobs in general. If by "copyrights" you mean someone's art style being copied and mass-produced, I think that sucks too.
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>>738682445
That just sounds like you're a little bitch who would take the rape without fighting back or even worse, enjoy it.
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>>738670878
That same argument was used for streaming and specially social media. Then all those companies forced themselves in to every aspect of life and made it the new norm instead of just the tool it was supposed to be. Trusting any of these companies, specially ones that expand so god damn fast is a very dumb decision.
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>>738672102
Normies > weebs > furfags > trannies > actual shit > jeets
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>>738682404
>global technology leader
hahahah they really DO live in fantasy land they made up in their own head. incredible levels of delusion just like seen in this very thread from sloppers. when you step outside and step into either trash or literal human feces I guess that's all one has left. oh well
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>>738676891
>suddenly tons of companies start getting cold feet about the whole AI thing
But we had a businessplan!!
Doesn't matter, gaza needs to be profitable fast. Instead of 10bln they have to earn 10 trillion a year.
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>>738682602
>and using actual arguments.
You're sounding like a lefty anon. They don't have any arguments, you can see that in this very thread. They're mad that a company is hiring a professional AI artist. Why?
>ITS SLOOOOOOOOOP
This isn't an argument, it's irrational anger.
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>>738682346
>but usually they change tactics after flop
Do they though? No one seemed to care when DEI was causing flops left and right
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>>738682602
>>738682747
Will you two fairies just kiss already?
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>>738681864
Its true though. From all the endless AI shit you have seen on the internet, which ones are good enough for you to consider them more than elaborate shitposts? Only that guy who made Balenciaga Harry Potter and that other guy who made a Hitler parody of the song I told you so, have made AI content good enough for me to call it kino.
These are still elaborate shitposts (and we have yet to see something original), but one can look the videos of these two guys and sense that they had some sort of artistic vision; aka they had the knowledge and the talent to know what they want from their AI models beforehand. They didnt just proompting vague shit and then be satisfied with the 1st or 5th result, just like 99,99% of proompters do on the internet
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>>738682313
>AI has become bafflingly partisan
It's not that baffling. Everyone hates leftists, so the people pushing AI benefit from characterizing it as something the left hates, and more importantly painting all opposition to it as leftist.
And as you have noted, leftists are just unmitigated fucking retards who can't oppose something in a normal way, they have to shriek about it like absolute psychos
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>>738682747
The company just automatically tanked their game down the shitter by admitting it's slop.
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>>738682706
India has high tech
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>>738682853
Uh huh. In reality nobody actually cares.
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>Round8, did you use AI to create art for Lies of P 2?
>No of course not
>Your springs are reacting...
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>>738682923
good morning sir
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>the jeetschizo is dumping his folder again
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>>738682923
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
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>>738682936
They do, why else do AI bros always try to hide it?
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>>738682936
Darren Aronofsky didn't get the memo.
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>>738676773
Oh so you're a retard, carry on.
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>>738677335
You mean like computers do?
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>>738682750
DEI is literally all about getting freebies from {them}, that's why it is so persistent.
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>Here is your AI games Saars, that will be 1 million ruppees redeem or I scam your grandma.
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>>738682420
>You can try but it's highly likely you're just fooling yourself thinking you aren't a lefty when you are probably right on their side
That's a weird thing to say. I'm pretty sure I know where I stand politically.
Hating AI is the ONLY thing I align with the left on, and I still hate their retardation on the subject.
>what do you think about data centers?
Kind of a waste and an eyesore, but I'm not particularly upset about them.
>can AI make art?
No.
>is AI a tool for artists?
>should professional artists use AI?
Indirectly, as a learning tool or for references or brainstorming. I think the more you use it for actual generation, the less valid the final product is.
>of what quality is AI art/music/video/song on average?
Garbage.
>is open source AI a good thing?
Yes. Since it will exist regardless of my feelings about it, it should be in the hands of the people. The worst scenario is faggot elites having complete control over it and using it to make everyone's lives worse, while we get none of the actual benefits from it.
>>do you think products using AI need to disclose its use?
As a consumer, yes, at least for generative use. I want to know what I'm buying. I don't want to pay money for something that got shit out by a machine.
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>>738683329
>illogical and dishonest
Congrats, you are a lefty.
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>>738682747
>This isn't an argument, it's irrational anger.
It is isn't a non-argument just because you don't agree with it. Machines create slop.
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>listen to a live podcast at work
>dude is a massive AI programming shill
>constantly fights with his chat about how AI programming is the future
>"here chat I'll show you what claude can do"
>tries to fix some audio issue he always has
>this somehow bricks his entire setup and the podcast needs to be pushed back several days
I shudder to imagine what horrors AI coded games will bring to this earth
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>>738682936
Reminds me of the Fortnite "controversy" with people claiming they'll boycott because of that AI-generated piece of wood just for it to become the most selling skin on the store anyways.
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Saars, he click the generate button! Truly a tech genius never before seen since the likes of Einstein and Nikola Tesla.
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>>738683457
Based retard.
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I don't really care one way or the other but I lean more towards being ok with AI so long as it doesn't look like complete shit cause anti-AI elitists act the exact same way Twitter trannies trying to virtue signal do.
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>>738670018
>AI right now is more creative than people
Original Pokemon Toxitricello Creation
Describe an entirely new pokémon based on your own creativity. Avoid describing a pokemon that already exists.
Here’s an original Pokémon concept:

Name: Toxitricello (a blend of “toxic,” “tricky,” and “cello”)

Type: Poison / Psychic

Appearance:
Toxitricello resembles a humanoid chameleon with translucent, glassy skin that pulses faintly in shifting hues of violet, indigo, and chartreuse. Its elongated tail curls into the shape of a cello’s neck, with four iridescent strings made of solidified neurotoxin. Its hands have only three fingers each — one acts as a bow coated in hypnotic spores, while the others pluck the tail-strings to produce resonant, mind-altering tones.

Big MEH from me. I wouldn't bother putting this on my team.
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>>738679207
I did that test myself and all the images were like 200x200 pixels. Lol.
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>>738683457
Nice invalid opinion there. On one hand you can't recognize AI and are demanding companies tell you when they use it, on the other hand it's all slop because you can totally tell.
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>>738683597
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>>738683620
Even children on Tiktok can tell it's AI at a glance nowadays.
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>>738669421
All artists in tbe industry are using AI now. You still need a person yo tardwrangle it, fix its errors, etc.
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>>738683723
and they love it
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>>738683597
LA CREATIVIDAD
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>>738683395
Well, that's the last time I try to engage with an obviously disingenuous AI supporter in good faith.
Plenty of non-leftists have many problems with AI, and all you can do is twist, reframe in bad faith, and spew out dishonest cope after dishonest cope in an attempt to bury that fact. You haven't made a single honest argument in the entire time you've been posting in these threads, which in my eyes makes YOU perfectly aligned with leftists.
Go fuck yourself. Not because you support AI, but because you're such a massively disingenuous prick.
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>>738683723
Then why did they freak out about that one bunny trampoline video
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>>738669421
I respect that they're upfront about it.
A lot of companies are playing the silent game to avoid backlash.
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>Another luddite L
Happens so often I'm almost not even getting any dopamine out of it...almost.
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>>738683776
>obviously disingenuous
You are objectively illogical and you're dishonest. You have a deranged opinion and are acting like it's physical law.
This is lefty behavior and you know it.
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>>738683860
Lol this nigga uses AI
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>>738684005
Ironically I never have, I just enjoy seeing it put a knee on paintpig necks
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>>738669545
FPBP
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>>738669421
>dev known for copying souls is using AI
Wow who could've seen that coming?
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Why would actual artists be pissed about AI being used in a coonsomer corporate/disposable context? (which was already sloppified for decades before AI)
If they're familiar with art terms and its theory, they're already years ahead of a retarded pajeets and their "beetiful goddess chatyguptama, gev ibages of boobles" prompts, they lose nothing and get more free time for doing actual art
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>>738684050
Show me on the doll where the artist touched you, anon.
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>comedian is considered a thought provoking masterpiece
yea i don't think i really care anymore. if a guy can get rich off of that then people can do whatever they want with ai
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>soulless korean studio does soulless korean things
Fork found in kitchen
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>>738684050
People who would willingly pay for art already do their best to avoid AI scams. You're not really destroying the artist, just inviting a new consumer base of retards who will pay for instant conglomerate median slop that vaguely resembles what you thought it should. If you were already creating conglomerate median slop you might have reason to worry.
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>>738684207
>Fuck everyone else because I'm a loser.
Typical mentality from AIfags.
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>>738669421
if a robot can do a better job than you then you don't deserve to get paid, simple as
>>738677517
cry more
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>try dabbling in AI
>get bored in a week
I don't get it. There's no satisfaction from it.
I feel like the only people who like this stuff are people trying to grift others.
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>>738684289
replying to the wrong person? none of what you said has anything to do with what i said, troon
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>>738684302
well, yeah, that's why jeets literally worship this tripe
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>>738684280
This cope would hit hard if artists weren't constantly shitting themselves over AI out competing them
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>>738675009
because all the people i've seen hate it are faggots
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>>738684302
>try dabbling in drawing
>get bored in a week
I don't get it. There's no satisfaction from it.
I feel like the only people who like this stuff are people trying to grift others.

see what I did there? not everyone is the same, retard
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>ban browns and thirdworld slop, heavily punish companies who use them
>use AI to develop ideaguy basic concepts
>use artist to make a more cohesive and idealized version of the design
Anything wrong with this idea if step one was feasible to pull off?
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>>738684302
It is legitimately just to own the left.
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>>738683620
The only invalid opinion here is yours, and that is proven by the lengths of niggery bad faith you go to to avoid arguing it honestly.
There's no point defending my position to a subhuman cunt like you, but just in case an actual person is reading:
Games have labels for a reason: so the consumer knows what they're getting before they buy the damn thing. Your retarded "argument" relies on a potential buyer being able to know the entire content of a game at a glance.
There is no question that AI is slop. The fact that I'm not willing to purchase and trawl through an entire fucking game to see if there's slop in it is does not in any reality function as a refutation of it being slop.
I know you know this already. I've made this argument to you before. I can recognize your unique scumfuckery.
You pretend not to know, and you advance arguments that rely on you not knowing,because you are a dishonest piece of shit.
Kill yourself. Become one with the AGI.
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>>738669421
>no source
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>>738684429
AIfags acting insufferable as possible is only going to further damage AI's reputation. Maybe that's the true endgame all along.
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>>738684459
>leftytroon tier schizo chimp out based on illogical nonsense to appease his emotions
You are just proving my point now.
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>>738684521
and yet, somehow, leftoids find a way to be even more insufferable. funny how that works huh
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>>738684410
>pro-AI poster can only copy the same post they're replying to
Nice self-burn bro.
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>>738669545
>actually saying based to a frognig
Based. FPBP
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>>738683620
>tech so awesome and revolutionary you'll do everything in your power to avoid disclosing you used it
hahahaha beyond pathetic
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>>738684531
>>738684564
Bro just got done watching a couple sjw owned compilations and is now calling everyone leftoids like a good goy.
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>>738684302
>Uhhh I didnt build my own house, I cant enjoy this
>uhhh I didnt make the food I got at this restaurant, I can't enjoy it
>uhh I didn't make this video game, I can't enjoy it
This is what you tards sound like btw
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>>738683995
>drooling retard with the most moronic "arguments" ever thinks anything he says is logical
>never has an argument for why his opponents are irrational or illogical, merely hopes that stating it over and over again will cause him to win
>does this in bad faith, endlessly, while expecting everyone else to engage him in good faith
The only thing worse than a retard is someone who is a retard on purpose because they know that being smart would necessitate abandoning their position.
Kill. Yourself.
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>>738684693
>ignoring the fact everyone will be using it making disclosure worthless
>acting like telling people you used blender over adobe is important somehow
You are mentally ill.

>>738684767
>more name calling instead of an argument
If you really have a right leaning brain you know I'm right, otherwise you're a seething tranny lover. You can't prove me wrong, you're too mad.
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people say you should respect artist, but where is the respect for our Prompt Engineers??? you know the fucking skill and dedication it takes to get even a halfway decent gen, let alone a masterpiece? course you dont. youre nothing but a bunch of haters.
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>>738684521
The strange thing is that after 2024 I could imagine gamergate chuds being able to push a narrative that all of the woke artists and such could be purged from games and replaced by them slowly but surely but VOICE ACTORS have been getting back into the game and they are one of the most hated roles in the gaming space.
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>>738681542
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>>738669545
the people that pushed that shit are the same people pumping AI btw.
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>>738684750
>v-tumor
Opinion discarded.
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>>738675009
democratization of art, sweatie. down with elitists, ya'll.
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>>738684410
>not everyone is the same, retard
Yeah. For instance, people who cannot derive any satisfaction from creating something themselves, but think generating images makes them an artist, are pathetic subhumans.
Other people are not.
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>>738684872
>studies show: :I
>studies show (but it confirms my opinions): :O
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Imagine proompting for money.
Pathetic.
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>>738684872
As a disabled guy that only hates AI because it jacked up the prices of pc parts, I don't appreciate being grouped together with the mentally ill trannies.
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As soon as you say that used AI, anything impressive about it immediately goes right out the window.
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>>738684937
They are creating something themselves. You're a low IQ subhuman since you can't see that.
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>>738684908
>Recognizes who that is beyond just being a silly react image
Outed yourself
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>>738684531
>argues exclusively in niggery bad faith and throws a tantrum when people do not respond in good faith
KILL. YOUR. SELF.
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>>738684979
deal with it poorfag
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>>738684990
You shouldn't have picked an image of her clearly shilling a cheap plushie then.
Its obviously some v-tumor.
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I genuinely find it really funny people try to push the narrative that the average person gives a fuck about the process of creating art, it's so fucking performative
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>450 replies in 4 hours
Why can't actual video game threads be this active..
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>>738685024
>continues to chimp out acting like he's a reasonable logical person
retarded faggot, just stop
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>>738682263
its a critique of the indian culture, you moron.
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>>738685086
Same reason that instead of discussing video games you meta posted here too, retard
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>>738684983
mighty projection poojari
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>>738685080
They do, if you try to tell people you're an AI artist IRL, you will be laughed at by the general public.
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>>738684829
>if you don't entertain my rampant dishonesty you must be a left winger
>if you don't accept my dishonest framings you must be a left winger
>if you don't jump through my retarded hoops you must be a left winger
>if you do jump through my retarded hoops but you still disagree with me, you must be a left winger
>actually, everyone who disagrees with me is a left winger, because even though I, a dishonest cunt, act exactly like a leftist, I accuse everyone else of being one solely because I think it will let me win an argument without effort
KILL.
YOUR.
SELF.
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>>738685080
It is overwhelmingly associated with cheap crap.
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>>738684983
>"AI, please draw a picture for me!"
>"I made this!"
Actually fucking pathetic
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>>738685219
>if I chimp out harder while projecting...
You are a leftytroon.
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>>738685219
he'll just be repeating the same moronic shit so he can have the last say despite saying nothing of value, why bother anon
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>>738669545
Have you ever considered that there are contemporary artists that are neo-modernist or even neo-classical in both their work and mindset, who absolutely loathe post-modernism and what it has done to art infinitely more than you do because to them art is their entire vocation and meaning in life ? If you hate the consequences of post-modern ideology on art, who the fuck do you think has a chance to rectify course or even fight against it ? It's actual artists, people making things, the same ones you hope gets their asshole raped by Claude.

What is this intellectual laziness that has gripped retards like you and removed all form of nuance from their thoughts, to the point that everything has to be perceived through extreme and absolutist dichotomies.
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>>738684750
>Not making your own meals
>Not rejecting the Sysco foods monopoly and growing your own food
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>>738685245
AI ads on Temu are out of control. So many grandpas getting scammed.
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>>738685301
You're right. He already lost a long time ago. Before this thread, even.
Thanks, anon.
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>>738685086
It only happens with AI threads, There is at least 2 dudes who love posting in these threads, they post the same shit too, at the end of this shit you will see a schizo spamming AI anime shit, lol
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>>738684990
do you think that isn't easily recognizable as a vtuber...?
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>>738682442
Ironically, mainstream models have a lot of trouble making stuff like that now. It’s all normie-tier and uninteresting (picrel).

Ironically-er, good AI art now requires a lot of manual labor (seed sketches, even a self-trained model).
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>>738685128
and I will not waste my time reading a wall of text about indian culture, you moron.
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>>738684925
Picking up a pencil is free.
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>>738669421
do we have anything new yet aifags or are we going to enter the fourth year of stagnation
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>>738685491
you are a moron for voicing your shitty opinion in the first place
fucking retard
>I do not care, but I gotta make sure people know I dont care
you sound just as insecure as the indians
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>>738684750
Enjoyment and satisfaction are two different things anon
I can enjoy fucking your mom, that doesn't mean I found it satisfying afterwards. Too loose.
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>>738684407
You seem to see an oddly high amount of faggots.
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>>738685549
You can make 4 second AI video clips, that's about it.
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>>738669421
I knew I made a good choice by skipping this game.
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>>738680227
That's not true. AI makes programmers much faster. This is empirically verified. I don't have to take your word.
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When you lost the culture war so all you can do is spam anti-AI shit on /v/
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>>738674617
>The Philosophy of Art
>”The”
>philosophy of art

And what exactly do you mean by that? Some Romantic bullshit about muh self expression muh and tortured artist? Beethoven and his consequences have been a disaster for the Western mind.
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>>738685554
>>I do not care, but I gotta shit on people unironically wasting their time learning and writing short novels about indian "culture"
ftfy
go back to writing a book about jeets while learning about their "culture", retard
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>738669545
>artniggers deserve the rope for postmodernist theory and all of the disgusting creations it spawned
like Pepe the frog?
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>>738685591
Hey, you can make 5 minute AI video clips assuming you don't care about consistency.
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would u rather:
>AI ART
or
>BROWN ART
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>>738685685
what's the difference?
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>>738685580
yeah i browse /v/
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AI should be used for shitpost purposes only.

>but my gooning material! my instagram elderly scams income!
gooners and jamboys are as human as the stochastic factory of child porn you've got locally running on that filthy looking mac mini
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>>738685739
one is made by machine and one is made by brown skin human
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>>738685685
Brown art has SOVL.
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>>738685685
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>>738675009
Yes officer that's the anti-semite
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>>738685661
>short novel
it's a 3min read lmao, and it explains why they act the way they do and helps understand why they're so insufferable and not worth engaging with the moment you catch even a whiff that you're talking to one (e.g. worships AI)
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>these threads are all just blatant AI shills calling everyone a leftist to turn it into a partisan issue
OWS all over again?
AI is bad for everyone, whether they're rightchads, leftfaggots, enlightened centrists or apolitical based retards. It's a cool tool but its widespread adoption is definitely not in our interests. At all.
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>>738685865
>a 3min read
3mins that could've been spent doing anything else than learning about indians
>why they're so insufferable and not worth engaging with the moment you catch even a whiff that you're talking to one
>he needs someone to explain that to him
lmao fucking retard
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Anytime somebody tells you that they're into AI, you can guarantee that they're an idiot.
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>>738685754
You're on 4chan bro no one is impressed by the anti-porn puritan larp
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I've never once met a normie into AI.
Its only weirdos with no friends who are permanently online.
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>>738686114
They know better than to tell anyone, they have to keep it in the closet or else they will be ridiculed.
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The absolute meltdown in this thread
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>>738669545
>I hope artists suffer for [insert CIA psyops done by the same exact type of people who push AI slop]

You are unironically a nigger, and I don't mean it as an insult, you lack understanding of who pulls the strings and the reason for doing it, so you resort to attacking the group you were told to attack like the little nigger goy you are.
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>>738686114
>I've never once met a normie into AI.
what does "into AI" even mean
the last few normalfag-trends on social media were mostly AI-generated
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>>738669545
That literally doesn't make any fucking sense with the post, it generalize all art to a niche of people that were already hated in that sphere and AI is not helping with your cause at all. Frog posters are the lowest IQ posters as expected
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>>738686256
You're schizophrenic.
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>>738686260
AIslop is a fading trend in itself that will quickly be forgotten just like crypto and VR.
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>>738686167
>>738686114
>>738686040
What in The name of tantrum
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>>738686320
year 2 of "just 2 more weeks until it fades away bro"
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>>738686260
>he thinks trends on social media are grasroots
LOL!
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>>738686256
I hope youfags suffers. All of you are jerks and uncool why should I care if computer takes your job, it already happened to others before you
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>>738686378
yeah you're right, only shit that agrees with your opinions is natural and we should only judge things based on your personal experiences. my apologies.
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>>738686318
Nah, you're just a projecting kike.

I know you're scared since the noticing began and the voices in your head are getting louder, but soon the nooses will get tighter too.

Glow less Shlomo.
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>>738669545
Excellent bait what an embarrassing responses. Like staight up immature tantrum
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>>738686487
>doubles down
haha wait, you actually believe this?
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>>738686517
trying too hard
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>>738686417
Did an Art bro cuck you or something? Or did you get bullied in /ic/ eternalbeg?
Either way, palantir will be putting you fags I camps for saying antisemitic shit soon.
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>>738686551
(You)
last one's on the house.
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>>738686659
I just laugh at you fags having tantrum instead of acting cool, like why are you people so angry?
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>>738685317
>Have you ever considered that there are contemporary artists that are neo-modernist or even neo-classical in both their work and mindset, who absolutely loathe post-modernism and what it has done to art infinitely more than you do because to them art is their entire vocation and meaning in life ?
Yes and you lot have done fuck all about it because you chose to focus on art instead of obtaining power first and then rectifying the problem later.
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>>738685280
>*use thing*
>*thing you want happens*
>"you didn't use thing
hurr durr
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>>738685280
AI is literally fast way to visualize something and good at doing boring work, Artificial Intelligence has been used for long time why is it problem now?
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>>738685301
>>738685383
Typical leftytroon behavior.
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>>738686530
>I was pretending to be retarded
It's 2026, anon...
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>>738685636
Wait, are conservatives starting a beef with classical music now? Fucking hell, you people.
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>>738684531
>You said curse words, I win
child mentality
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>>738687150
>I've been pretending to be retarded for 27 years
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>>738687292
>I am the sole arbiter on what is and isn't art and what is and isn't good and if you disagree with me I start raging
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>>738687402
>AIfag is mad that people called his slop as slop
KEKAROO
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>>738687485
AI trannies desperately wish they were artists.
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>>738687485
>now I will unleash my strawman argument
so sad
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>>738687485
>KEKAROO
archie_hicox_raising_three_fingers.png
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It's telling that this thread had fuckall to do with Lies of P. :/
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>>738675009
I can abuse it to make simple html programs in less than 5 seconds.
Anyone that wants to make a profit off of it is a retard scam artist though.
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The anti-AI brigade reminds me a lot of the old /v/ consolefags that would always say games would never get PC ports.

You never see them anymore because everyone ported their games to PC.
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>>738687215
>I have very strong opinions concerning subjects I clearly don’t know anything about
Yeah I can tell
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>>738687004
>>738686806
>>738686530
>>738686417
indian
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>>738687927
You mean like the DALL-E tranny general that ended up dying out?
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>>738688301
nah he meant the drawfag general
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>>738688348
Wamu started from there and became a gazillionaire aka a real artist.
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>>738688301
It didn't die, the jannies killed it along with the drawfag thread.

But no, I mean you people are retarded losers.
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>>738688431
It did die, there was only 4 trannies samefagging the thread before it died.
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>>738688485
it moved after jannies kept deleting them
>>>/vg/566332808
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>>738669545
fpbp
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>>738688603
It's the still the same 5 trannies.
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>>738688685
You're just mentally ill actually.
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>>738675501
Good morning, Indian.
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>>738688715
Says the AI tranny.



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