A brutal ending to that Star Fox vs Fire Emblem argument from last month.
>>738686579>that Star Fox vs Fire Emblem argumentcontext?I'm guessing some deluded FEfag thought a new FE is more exciting than a new SF?
>>738686670New FE is less exciting than an old Star Fox game
>>738686746Fucking liberal white women. I knew they were behind the Star Fox design fuckery. Despite that, Nintendo manages to win AGAIN. Holy fuck, based Asmon for explaining it so well! He's my top-rated influencer!!
>>738686746>I've been waiting for this for 20 yearsAsmon has been in his basement for so long that he hasn't even been aware of all the other times 64 has been redone.
what was the argument
>>738686579fag emblem would be in the grave if it weren't for smash
>>738686579>3HRTShan't watch
>>738687001He only plays WoW and retards still take his opinions seriously.
>>738686746There have been like 20 remakes of nintendo 64. does this roach elemental even play games?
>over 4 million views combined now counting JP directDoes this seem like a lot?
>>738686579>>738687738basically guaranteed to be the best selling game in the franchise
>>738686579Japanese FE trailer has 640k
>>738686579>Star Fox vs Fire Emblem argumentwho would be dumb enough to argue it lol
I love the new designs. Much better than the fujo faggot shit from the Galaxy movie.
>>738687182This, I hate that homeless looking faggot and I hate everyone who watches him even more.
>FIRE EMBLEM FIRE EMBLEM FIRE EMBLEM FIRE EMBLEM FIRE EMBLEM FIRE EMBLEM FIRE EMBLEM FIRE EMBLEM FIRE EMBLEM FIRE EMBLEM FIRE EMBLEM FIRE EMBLEM FIRE EMBLEM FIRE EMBLEM -star fox fans
>>738686579shouldn't the Fire Emblem views be the views of the Direct that had the trailer?
>>738688364You lost
>>738686579I really just dont want to play nigga emblem
>>738688124felt more like a gay furry design to me
FE is negative aura nowadays.
>>738688364No, this argument is flawed.>tons of people were watching a general Direct that just so happened to have Fire Emblem at the endcompared to>a shadow dropped Direct that was directly stated to be exclusively about Star Fox so everyone watching it was watching specifically for Star FoxIt should be compared to the only FE-exclusive Direct Nintendo ever did.
>>738687182he stopped actively playing WoW at least 5 years agoHe does have pretty bad game opinions though
>>738686579Wtf are all the new fire emblem characters subhuman filth? I thought we were done with laguz.
>>738686746Asmon works for israel the fuck are you doing still watching this degenerate mom killer
>>738691924Are you talking about fire emblem shadows or are you talking about the brown people?
Why are there multiple threads about this?Trying to make SF and FE fans fight each other doesn't really make any sense since there was never any animosity there. You're better off baiting Smashfags to fight FE since neither side likes the other in that scenario.
60:40 matchup btw
>>738692720like everything on 4chan these days, it's a discussion that's flown downstream from X (formerly Twitter)
>>738692720how did they make SF more appealing than FE?
>>738693665SF isn't an anime TRPG.That's like asking why CoD is more appealing to people than Crusader Kings.
>>738693665One of them was full of animals, the other was star fox
>unpopular thing gets a lot of views due to controversyFox McDonalds's game is still going to sell like shit. I haven't seen a single positive opinion on this shit outside of /v/.
>>738686579The lack of Star Fox has always been a Miyamoto problem. There was always an audience for it.
>>738694351I think it's the rest of Nintendo that doesn't care about Star Fox rather than Miyamoto holding developers back from kickstarting development for new entries.
>>738692720Fire emblem is my favourite nintendo franchise, Star fox 64 is one of my favourite nintendo games. I'm chillin. However i did not like engage. I hope the next one is not at all like it. but the general vibe of it so far, has me worried. Meanwhile the new starfox looks amazing. Bought a switch last week just to play it. Playing path of radience for now.
>>738694273The star fox fandom is in full on toxic positivity mode cracking down on any dissenters
People were also hyped for Metroid Prime 4 and we all know how that turned out. Let's see if Star Fox fans actually show up to actually buy their game this time.
>>738694941Likewise, let's see if 3Hfags show up to buy Nigger Emblem now that Edelgard and Dimitri and high school larping isn't in it.
>>738695054>Likewise, let's see if 3Hfags show up to buy Nigger Emblem now that Edelgard and Dimitri and high school larping isn't in it.Did 3 houses sell well? It's not like it was like awakening or fates
>>738695276Anon, it's the best selling FE...
>>738695054Now now anon, no need to be so blunt, we can call it Wakanda Emblem
>>738686579>entire direct vs trailer posted after directfuck you retard
>>738695392>everyone watching the direct was there for Fire EmblemRetard
>>738695316Yeah like 10 years ago during covid
>>738695316I never got the impression it was more popular than awakening but i guess it's true.
>>738686579No one hates 3HRT slop more than FE fans.
>>738696513Anon Awakening wasn't even more popular than Fates.I don't even think Awakening has more sales than Engage at this point.
>>738694941Reminder that MP4 had multiple things going against it, that Star Fox does not.
>>738686670It's an Indian hallucinating things for it's Izzat. No sane human would compare these two franchise for anything.
https://files.catbox.moe/cte16v.srmPrisoner of magic for the fire emblem seven relay (change the srm to .sav before you import the battery)https://files.catbox.moe/1ag8un.savFire emblem 8 chapter 2.
>>738696513Awakening's only achievement in terms of success was being marginally better than the previous games, which all had middling sales because who the fuck cares about Fire Emblem. But Awakening's trump card was the waifushit, which ushered in a new, terrible direction for the series that continues to this day.
>>738697030>Prisoner of magic for the fire emblem seven relay (change the srm to .sav before you import the battery)*: reset on Chapter 19
>turdhair game is unpopularWao
>>738696708how do you judge fates sales if many people bought multiple routes? Do I count as 1 sale, 2, or 3?
>>738697183The same way they count Pokemon sales.
ENTER
>>738686670some guy said "There are precisely zero fire emblem characters with a greater cultural impact than the star fox crew lol" and FEfags got really upset about it
>>738697319Okay niggy, lets look up how many people in america are named Edelgard vs how many are named Fox
>>738694351the problem is they made a string of bad ones, and then enthusiasm for the series kind of petered out. Nintendo being Nintendo presumes that no one cares anymore, instead of them simply wanting good games and not bad ones.
>New FE has no avatar system>No one wants it Woaw....
>>738697319As an FEfag he's not wrong, Fire Emblem has popular characters within its own series and it's fairly popular but it's never penetrated to mainstream appeal or recognition. The closest you'll get is Roy and Marth and most people can't even tell you what they're like in their games.
>>738697319I mean, that's true.
>>738686579>furry audience advantageDoesn't COUNT
>>738686579>Star Fox vs Fire Emblem argumentmaking shit up
>>738694273>I haven't seen a single positive opinion on this shit outside of /v/>>738686746
>>738697387kek
>>738688143Anyone who makes Hasan Piker shit , piss, and cum in his pants gets a pass, I say
>>738697520Believe it or not, it's a real thing. On Shitter- I mean Twitter.
>>738694273>>738694513>Fox McDonalds's game is still going to sell like shitWhy is /v/ always wrong?
>>738697617You don't have to fact check yourself on an anonymous message board, /v/ will do that for you.
>>738697387https://www.mynamestats.com/First-Names/E/ED/EDELGARD/index.html409https://www.mynamestats.com/First-Names/F/FO/FOX/index.html1129
>>738697570>On Shitter- I mean Twitter.What is there to even argue about?Also are you sure it isn't Smash players just using Star Fox as a vessel to shit on Fire Emblem again?
>>738694941>People were also hyped for Metroid Prime 4No? People were shitting on it from the first trailer when they showed off the desert sections and once Myles showed up it never recovered
>>738697617Gonna need some context on whether or not this commonly happens with Switch 2 1st party game preorders on Amazon.
>>738697702Oh no no no no, Edelstans...I thought she was a cultural icon...but more people are naming their kid after a literal animal
its funny because rail shooters are a far less popular genre than tactics rpgs
>>738697772Yeah, as soon as I saw that trailer I knew that game was going to end up with like an 80/100 on Metacritic.
>>738697806Tactical RPGs are extremely niche anon, Fire Emblem is the only one that even sells decently.
>>738697737no, it was a guy arguing that peppy and slippy should be playable in the next smash game
>>738697779hasn't happened with Yoshi or Tennis afaik
>>738697794>>738697702ENTERhttps://www.mynamestats.com/First-Names/C/CL/CLAUDE/index.html
>>738697702BACKBREAKING BUTTHOLE BLASTING
>>738697846and rail shooters are even more niche to the point where they're extinct
>>738697902>try to beat Claude with Dimitri>Dimitri is over 5x less popularDimitrisisters...not like this...
>>738697617Stock is back up>>738697779It happened with Poketopia
>>738692118How did he kill him mom?
>>738698006Im sure in poland or russia the name is a hit
>New Fire Emblem and Star Fox this summerLife is good.I hope we get a new trailer and release date for Fortune's Weave tomorrow.
>>738697806people think rail shooters are an unpopular genre, but who doesn't actually like playing them?There's a weird doublethink going on here where basically everyone loves shit like Starfox 64 and arcade classics like House of the Dead, but people are also convinced full freedom of movement is better for entirely unexamined reasons, that basically amount to journalists saying so thirty years ago. If you ask a random person right now if they want to sit through a twenty hour FPS campaign, or play a round of Time Crisis, a lot of people are going to say Time Crisis.If convincing people to pay $70 is the challenge, don't price it that high...
>>738686579Not really, no. You're comparing an entire direct to a single trailer that was also featured in a direct.
>>738697702https://www.mynamestats.com/First-Names/C/CO/CORRIN/index.htmlEdelshart btfo lol
>>738687001>>738687264This new remake is obviously far more exciting and interesting than the other ones, numbnuts. That's the point. The 3DS was not even on par with the gamecube and 64 3D was mostly just a remaster, and let's not pretend Star Fox Zero wasn't widely considered a huge disappointment.
>>738698006I assume that's because most people who are called Dimitri actually some flavor of Demetrious on their birth certificate.It's like how most Matts are Matthews or Maxs being Maximilians.
>>738698168Zero isn't even a remake.
>>738698167Note that Edelgard is a real but very uncommon name while Corrin isn't so this is even more destructive.
>>738698113>If you ask a random person right now if they want to sit through a twenty hour FPS campaign, or play a round of Time Crisis, a lot of people are going to say Time Crisis.Yeah and if you ask them whether they want to buy twenty hour FPS campaign or an hour long arcade game, guess which one people are picking
>>738686579Star Fox looks really interesting where even normalfags who never played Star Fox are intrigued, while FE is just your typical cel-shaded weeb nonsense. It's pretty obvious.
>>738690452and yet FEH has probably made more money on its own than Star Fox ever will.>>738698201lmao look at this fucking retard
>>738698201It's not but it's very much like a retelling of Star Fox 64 which is why people lump them together.
>>738698167Pathetic.https://www.mynamestats.com/First-Names/R/RO/ROBIN/index.html
>>738690452You can argue that this star fox shit was so watched because it was the first direct since the switch 2 reveal lmao
>>738698238The hour long arcade game. It's more fun and doesn't overstay it's welcome.If there's no hand-wringing about getting your money's worth, then yeah, that's what I want to play.Long ass games are a false economy anyway, because their fun potential usually maxxes out long before they actually reach a climax.
>>738698308
>>738698308Robin, I kneel. We can find more common names than you like Roger in side characters, but you've got to be the most common name for a protagonist.
>>738697319Why would I care? Do you think I persist under the delusion that weeby strategy and RPG games are popular among normalcattle? Maybe it's some twitter/smash thing.
>>738698258it literally isn't a remake. Stop saying it's a remake.
>>738698419>Why would I care?I'm not sure why, you're in a thread posting about it. You tell me.
>>738698201if you would please consult the graph
>>738698201This. It's a retelling.
>>738698424It's not a remake but it's basically what 64 was to the original Star Fox. The point is that it's still derivative that Star Fox is still using the Lylat Wars over and over in various ways.
>>738698459>SF64 3D>RemasterIn what universe? That's also a remake.
>>738698506They did try to do new things at some point and they weren't very well-received. In the end I can't blame them for staying in Lylat.
>>738698308Rookie numbers.https://www.mynamestats.com/First-Names/M/MA/MARK/index.html
>>738686579>Out of fucking anything to do with SF they just remake the original again.>And have all the characters designed by someone with an unhealthy obsession with Rocket Raccoon's movie design.It's not even anger anymore, just disappointed annoyance.
>>738698458I saw Fire Emblem and Star Fox in the thumbnail, which are literally the only on-topic video game threads I've posted in the past week. But I don't care that Star Fox characters are more known than Fire Emblem characters. Who could possibly give a shit about that?
>>738698551>more popular than AnnaFuck, my trap card...
>>738698551fool...https://www.mynamestats.com/First-Names/J/JO/JOHN/index.html
>>738698585Zoomers care a shit ton about "cultural relevance" nowadays. It's like their metric for how good something is.
oh shid im in the top 20!
>can't use pic because the name is spelled with a Knyoooo
>>738686579At this point, I think the Adventures to Assault timeline was better. Each game should have had team Star Fox working as mercenaries against a new villain. I am waiting with baited breath for both games... Maybe one will be good.
>>738698621>Jahn
Can anons not clock that this is a reboot? The title just being "Star Fox" kinda gives it away.
>>738698373>if the primary purchasing factor wasn't a factor, things would be different
>>738698672nta but what is the cultural relevance/impact of the Star Fox crew anyways?The only thing I can think of is "Do a barrel roll" jokes that have been out of date since the mid-2000s.
>>738698825Remember when people said Zero was supposed to be a Reboot...?
>>738697702Foxchads I fucking kneel
>>738686579still buying fortunes weave btw
>>738698972The only thing Fire Emblem has that's even close for that is Ike quotes. From Smash.
>>738699083it probably was, tbf. it was just on the wii u.
>>738686579It is VERY funny how Engage straight up killed the momentum FE has been building back since Awakening. Nobody cares about FE anymore, they made it through fucking Fates and still came out more popular than before. Engage, though? Poof. Gone. Morale deflated.
Wait is this the FE thread or the star fox thread I'm confused
>>738699364Fuck off, you guys have enough threads. Let us have this one. You know how it is.
>>738699314Good riddance. If Engage was all it took for them to leave, they were fairweather fans who weren't going to stick around anyway.
>Love Fire Emblem and Star Fox>New Fire Emblem looks like a bunch of Falcom rejects thrown into a Unity asset store tactics game.>New Star Fox is yet another goddamn 64 remake, this time with questionable character designs.
>>738698842make the game cheaper. I already said that. If they wont pay full price for it, what will they pay? $40?
>>738699314WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WE A LITERALLY GETTING A NEW GAME SOON
>>738699314>FE Engage sold millions but not enough millions>all is lost because number didn't keep going upI think the franchise will survive anon. This isn't some AAA Square Enix franchise that needs at least 10 mil sales just to break even.>>738699364yes
>>7386994255 bucks probably, if that
>>738699483FW got canceled Shadows floppedIt's over FEbro
>>738699512I'd pay more than five to own a copy of a game I can play indefinitely.
>>738699314Engage flopped so shadows could float
wtf I just found FE dead in a ditch
>>738699405>New Fire Emblem looks like a bunch of Falcom rejectsdont see how thats an issue desu
>>73869936460% fire emblem, 40% star fox
Damn, i stepped in some three houses with my new shoes
>>738696465It was before Wu Flu where it made all those sales, but in all fairness, being locked in the house for nearly 2 years by gloablists made a lot of people go overly faggot, and only served to boost 3H's supposed prestige and discourse.
>>738697319More specifically:>Star Fox Fan: "This would be a great opportunity to add Peppy and Slippy to the next Smash Bros.">Fire Emblem Fag out of nowhere, completely unantagonized: "There are several Fire Emblem characters left to add who're more relevant than those 2.">Everyone: "You're retarded." *Proceeds to compare Direct views*
>>738699606Its an issue because:1. Falcom makes fucking shovelware.2. Fire Emblem used to look like this.
>>738699405Fortune's Weave is like the 2nd or 3rd time a 3D Fire Emblem game has looked good.
>>738699707>Fire Emblem used to look like this.echoes fags are so performative lmao
>>738699668>engagies start salivating and asking to eat it
>>738699720
>>738699707>posts the worst selling and shittiest modern FEThe art and VA work was nice, but fuck everything else about Echoes.
>>738699694but who actually cares that much about peppy or slippy? honestly I do think there would be more demand for someone like edelgard
Fox = LordFalco = Edgy MyrmidonSlippy = Green Shota MagePeppy = JeiganJames = Lord's dead fatherKrystal = Blue haired main heroineAndross = MedeusStar Fox is a Fire Emblem game.
>>738699720On a technical level it looks 'fine', I guess. Artistically its fucking shit.>>738699751Eat a dick, nigga. Even fucking Shadow dragon has better designs than FW.
>>738699707FE looked like that once and nobody bought it.
>>738697319marth has impact because of smash bros tho, but still beat by fox/falco there
>>738699720>there are people who look at this and think it's the new apex of FE charscter designI want them all to go back to Metaphor and stay there.
Nintendo 'localization' team went out of their way to destroy every single FE game since Awakening so I'm very glad to see even a horrible Star Fox game is seeing more excitement.
>>738699839>Even fucking Shadow dragon has better designs than FWeh, the art in the actual game looks atrocious so even if the designs are good it doesnt really matter
>>738699957Star Fox isn't safe from locuckizers either faggot, the remake is replacing the 64 dialogue with Marvel quips.
>>738699993So, more of the same?
>>738699839>shitting on the art of FW while praising the DS artlol
>>738699905literally who has said that? stop making up things to be upset over
>>738700025no
>>738699993I agree completely. Its bullshit and I never said it was safe. But FE deserves to fail and I'm glad its coming to that.
KEK OH NO NO NO FEFAGS
Zoomers are in for a rude awakening when they find out the game is an hour long
>>738699905Metaphor is based.
>>738700082It's probably going to be 4 hours long now and 3 of those will be cutscenes.
>>738700070except it isn't so keep crying I guess
>>738700067Well, >Erm, I guess, I should be thankfulIt's a very rare case of marvel dialogue being good because it's INTENTIONALLY campy and cheesy.
>>738700125>>738686579
>>738699905I see most people online are gravitating towards Alucard and Leda.
>>738700082That's why the new cutscenes are there to bloat the runtime. Or, more accurately, they used Starfox 64's gameplay to bloat the runtime of their new Starfox animated series instead of trying to adapt it all into animation.
>>738686746Asmon liked it? Guess I'll check it out
>>738700171They're the good looking ones. Cai is hideous and I have no interest in IS pushing Flavia on me AGAIN.
>>738700156fe doesnt need to sell 20 million to be succesful
>>738686579That's hardly fair. A lot of people already saw the FE trailer from in the direct it was in.
>>738700085>from the etrium reference island>total sweetheart>cool helmet>summons demonsnever left the party
>>738699970>>738700026Stupid fucking niggers conflating technical presentation with art direction.FW looks like dogshit, as does every fucking nuFE game aside from Echoes. Enjoy the raped and rotted corpse of Fire Emblem, you fuckking troglodytes.
>>738699825So what's the Fire Emblem in that? Falco's holding the FE1/3/11 FE but...
>>738700171>not TheodoraInternet continues to have shit taste.
>>738700217>They're the good boring onesfixed that for you. cai looks like any other anime character
>>738700226Cope(n) my man. I didn't know you were back in town
>>738700153A shame they changed every line so the intentional camp/cheese is gone. The new lines are boring and the delivery is flat.
>>738700153There wasn't fucking marvel dialogue in 1997, a one-liner or a quip does not equal joss whedon writingjesus does nothing have any meaning to anyone
>>738700217>and I have no interest in IS pushing Flavia on me AGAINwhy are you gay?
>>738700250that has nothing to do with technical prowess the art of shadow dragon is just ugly, FW looks fine
>>738700250I'm just saying that the DS FEs look like ass anon.
>MUH VIEWS>MUH ECELEBSWhy are zoomers like this?I actually played the original starfox 64 when it came out and it's cool they're bringing it to the current day now but why are zoomers always such subhumans fucking obsessed with MUH VIEWS AND MUH ECELEBS?????
>>738700256that's the fe13 FE. it looked like this in marth's times
>>738699820I have no idea who Edalgard is, and I want to play as Slippy.
>>738700297>cai looks like any other anime characterHe looks like one of those tumblr FE edits made official.
Would any starfags like to try playing the fire emblem sacred stones ironman for a chapter?>>738697030
>>738691924Engage didn't do as well as 3 Houses which is popular with lgbtq, resetera and reddit so they decided to make a game for them.Also say goodbye to the lolis. FW will be the normiest shit ever.>>738697030People were pushing me to play the Relay and no one has picked up the gaiden?
>>738700171I see some people trying to push the idea that shithair Cai's getting in Super Smash Bros. because he looks the most "protagonist" of them all, dunno if that's actually organic, or just dooming. But I pretty much agree that Alucard and Leda look the best, unfortunately, not enough to get me to buy.Dollars for donuts bet there's an MC waiting in the wings we'll be seeing next trailer anywho to be the face of FE for the next 3 years.
>>738700314yeah but if it DID have such a thing(god forbid), star fox would have it. >>738700309the delivery is off in the remake, i agree.
>>738700171That's because Leda is literally just Primrose at home.
>>738700404because people have no opinions of their own this isnt even exlusive to zoomers
>>738700484And that other chick is Tatloc.
>>738700436okay?
>>738700516LynetteOne of the og 8 5*'s in the gacha all of whom wasn't imported to OT0 because why.
>>738699483And nobody cares. If there was a TH sequel announced in 2020 people would've been going crazy. Now though? Basically crickets.
>>738700484team asano keeps slipping peak under the radar.
>>738700442>Also say goodbye to the lolis.thats fine with me desu I am not sexually attracted to children
>>738700492>PeopleYou mean fucking subhumansI fucking hate you all. So fucking much
What if they made a Star Fox TRPG?
>>738686579ZOMG LOOK AT MUH VIEWS AND MUH LIKES AND MUH EBIN BIG NUMBERS You fucking subhumans are so fucking brain damaged I hate you so much
>>738700634Star Fox Command
>>738700574because they havent shown anything else
>>738700634They'd have to be on-foot like Assault/Adventures/some vs modes to make them not use their Arwings for some godforsaken reason.>landmaster ends up being the endgame powerup with blue sub for underwater levels
>>738686579For how much longer will raped smash fans find some way to keep repeating different variations of the>Scrimblo cereal mascot good anime sword guy badargument
>>738700708What if they made a Star Fox TRPG that's wasn't abysmal dogshit with fanfic-tier writing?
>>738686579>caring about MUH VIEWS and MUH JEWTUBEWhen can we get rid of all you fucking subhumans off my board?
>>738700815>abysmal dogshit with fanfic-tier writingAre you talking about Command or Fates?
>>738700865Probably means both.A chunk of Command's drama was because of Krystal's woman moment.
>>738697319OK, then go confront him. You won't do shit.
>>738697319This is a good thingFuck normalfags and their mainstream culture
>>738697436THATS A GOOD THINGWHY DO YOU WANT NORMALFAG MASSES TO BRAINDEADLY DROOL OVER AND RUIN YOUR SERIES?WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO MY 4CHAN?WHY DO YOU FAGS NOW CARE ABOUT VIEWS AND NORMALFAGS AND ECELEBS AND MAINSTREAM APPEAL AND SHIT?FUCK IS GOING ON NOW?
>>738698672BECAUSE ZOOMERSARESUBHUMANS GET OFF MY 4CHAN
>>738700996numbers betterhigher sales/review/retweet number mean game is better
>>738699752Of course not. We forge that into our weapons. If you're lucky you get silver out of it.
>>738701052Zoom zoom zoomie None of those metrics have anything to do with the actual quality of the gameAnd I will NEVER take the opinion of an NPC normalfag sheeple seriously
>>738700996That already happened to this series two times. Furthermore if you care about integrity you could say that it died after FE5 when Nintendo and its creator had a disagreement. I never said I wanted it anyway, though I don't mind it since it gave me good games in the long run.
Explode, normalfags.
>>738701162
>>738700438>>738700442
stardfox doesnt even have a song people know about like fire meblem music
>>738702484I would assume that most people know the Star Fox theme song.From Smash.
>>738686579Am I missing something? Was a Fire Emblem character in the multi-billion dollar movie that Nintendo fully promoted, thus millions of gen Z/A now know who that character is? Could've sworn that was Star Fox.
>>738702615Im not lawful, make this pussy stop talking~
>>738702687Marth could never.
>>738701052this is the attitude so called punk rock chuds have.
>>738702687>>738702758Maybe if Miyamoto had a hand in FE's development, it would get some nepotism love too.
>>738702758Even FEfags don't even care about Marth
>>738703101Ike could never.
>>738696465It already surpassed fates sales pre covid lockdown though.
>>738703101>nowi 11>tiki 12>elise 13
>>738686746Asmon: Actually mocks, pisses off and massively redpills a giant audience about all the wokey faggot retards in gaming/v/: allows GCJ tranny retards to post and write stupid fucking shit and bans people at their behest for doing wrongthinks and starts to support woke dogshit because it's the contrarian thing to do
>>738703281kek
>>738703281It's the bad Tiki.
>>738703410No such thing.
>>738703101Man, Awakening was the most popular FE at the time of this poll and it still couldn't place at the top. Goes to show Awakening was never as big as people say it was. 3H characters would have dominated as an example.
>>738703509Fine, the worse Tiki.
>>738703651tbf that's just the power of recency bias (and Smash).3H characters are going to get replaced by whatever ends up coming down the road for FE characters later. The only FE characters that genuinely seem to be popular regardless of the time period are Lyn, Anna and Ike. Check back in a decade and then we can see how popular the 3H cast truly is.
>>738703651Most Awakening/Fates fans weren't true FE fans, they just only played those games because they were trendy in the 3DS era. A lot of them either migrated to Persona 5 or XC2 fandoms.
>>738686579FE will be discussed for the next 15 years minimum while people will forget about Star Fox the same week it comes out.
>Do a barrel roll!FE doesn't have anything to match the cultural relevancy of this one single line.
>>738703952This isn't even true, just bs that 3h fans retroactively project onto fates.
>>738697564Derangement syndrome retard
>>738704275watch this
>>738703101>FEfagsgachafags
Literally no one under the age of 30 cares about Star Fox. Its only purpose for the entire duration of this millenia has been for LARPers to pretend like it's bigger than it really is for street cred, while Nintendo keeps trying to flail around its corpse in the hopes it'll magically come to life, and failing at it over and over again. Fire Emblem objectively has a far more significant cultural impact in the modern day.
>>738706137Aren't those Mario movies like catnip for Gen Alphas? Pretty sure they care about Star Fox now at least.
>>738706137Falsenuke. Star fox is relevant because millions of people jack off to its porn t. Don't even know what game Krystal is from besides the fact she bangs sharpclaws everyday
>>738706000The first vote was as legit of a global FE character popularity poll as you're going to get.But I do agree that after that it was just Gachafags and now the poll couldn't be any more worthless.
>>738706000FEH fags still deluding themselves they are actual FE fans.It was funny when they thought Gullveig was actually on the level of popularity Tharja was when she cant even beat the food lmao girl of Engage.
>>738706210Do you really think any of them even know what a Star Fox 64 is? For all they know, Fox could be some obscure character from some random Mario spinoff they don't know about. I don't thihk you realize for how Star Fox has been irrelevant as a series.
>>738706352*for how long Star Fox has been
I replayed starfox 64 for the first time in over a decade and couldn't get a single medal I'm old
>>738706417I played it for the first time in over a decade and I almost did the hidden route first try from memory with no continues but I fucked up on the train level and I just quit there.
>>738706137Zoomers know Star Fox from Smash Bros and Gen Alpha knows him from the Mario movie now. And most people respect it as a legacy Nintendo franchise while with FE, a lot of tendies just view it as jrpg animeshit on the same level as something like Xenoblade.
>>738707341So none of them care about Star Fox itself as an actual series. Exactly my point. It's the same as calling F-Zero a "culturally relevant" series because of Captain Falcon in Smash. Do you think even 5% of the people who know these characters from Smash or the movies have even played any of their games, or even know about any other characters from that series? These things don't generate [x-series]-fans. They generate tourists with passing knowledge of what they think the franchise is like.
>>738688364That doesn’t suit the agenda posting.
>>738686579Star fox was a dedicated direct, while everyone who watched the september direct also watched the fire emblem trailer. Weak ass bait
>>738707710Anon, Fire Emblem was literally given life in the West thanks to Marth and Roy in Smash. It absolutely can transfer into real fans.
>>738708212They were forced at gunpoint by Nintendo to watch the Fire Emblem trailer. They chose to click a video titled "Star Fox Direct".
>>738708623Even if that were true it's a bad comparison because the two scenarios are entirely different.
>>738708623>everybody that saw the FE trailer during the direct hated itinteresting cope
>>738708756I mean, a lot of them did. Do you not remember all the tendie reactions to the last announcement being FE?
>>738686579Modern FE is so fucking boring. Visually they're generic shounen anime, and the writing fucking sucks. Decent gameplay can't save it.At least the new Starfox looks visually distinct and the gameplay will be at least good.
>>738708756Nintendo fans hate Fire Emblem.
>>738708809>Modern FE is so fucking boring.And Star Fox hasn't had a good new game since the N64, so neither fanbase should really be talking shit.
>>738686746Well it's a definite buy now. I knew the hate for their designs was bullshitThey look cool as fuck
>>738708935Who is their?
>>738708957The new designs of the Star Fox characters, ESL-kun
>>738708850FE has become shovelware.Starfox has not, though you're right the quality of the games hasn't been top notch.
>>738708850Not him but at least Star Fox actually looks proper for the current generation. Sadly none of the modern Fire Emblems can say the same not even the upcoming one.It also helps that Star Fox occupies the rail shooter genre almost uncontested and has proper PvP multi-player.
>>738709060Star Fox Zero plays more like shovelware than any FE.
>>738687806Does it though? Isn't 64 like 4-5mil?Seems possible to pass that but not guaranteed.
>>738709060Fire Emblem has always been shovelware.
>>738709072The PVP looks trash though. Three simplistic modes with three maps each. That shit will not gain traction
>>738709072I wish Fire Emblem could go back to being sprite based, every 3D game has been ugly in one way or another. Sadly I know that's a pipe dream because sales would immediately plummet if zoomies don't get their 3D models.
>>738692720It's 100% intentionally done to start flamewars and get Fire Emblem fans to shit up Starfox threads, and Starfox fans shit up Fire Emblem threads.Do NOT fall for divisionary tactics you fucking mongoloids.Both series are good. You don't need to dick whip each other because some huemonkey provoked you.
>>738709215Actually both series are bad
>>738709215>Both series are good.
>>738697702>there are people out there with the first name 'Fox'Sorta grim.
>>738708809FE is 100x better than star fox. The writing is what Star Fox fans imagine what Star Fox is.
>>738709080>>738709338As a fan of neither.No.
>>738709338The writing in FE is trash and you know it
>>738686579>>738686670>>738686746New FE games are just literal junk food slop because of no substantial gaps between each game. Heck even Pokèmon is allowing a longer gap between mainline games starting with Winds and Waves. Gotta love seeing how impatient FE fans were before Fortune’s Weave was even announced, it was glorious. Peppy’s “Do a Barrel Roll” is literally one of the biggest online memes of all time, it’s quoted multiple times in various shows and games, Google itself even referenced at one point.Slippy was an infamously hated character alongside characters like Tingle, Navi or Big.
>>738698258Calling Zero a remake of 64 is like calling TP a remake of OoT.It quite literally is not.You faggots have no idea wtfh you are on about.>b..but muh ebin twatter memesDie you brainless cur. You'll never rule Lylat.
>>738709338FE writing is dogshit 90% of the time, I don't know what you're smoking. You're also comparing RPGs to short rail shooters. It's light on story on purpose. For what they are, Star Fox game stories are fine (except Command which is fanfiction).
>Star Fox gets a new game after laying dormant for years>furfags immediately start being as obnoxious as possible and start shitting on FE for no reasonWe need to bury SF again.
>>738690452>9 Years Ago>Still under 1 MilHoly fucking kek, and that mobile gacha is still ongoing too btw.
>>738698506>still derivative that Star Fox is still using the Lylat Wars over and over in various ways.Okay so?Ww and TP are deivative of OoT, which is derivative of ALttP and even LA.They are all still separate, different games.Just like Zero stands as its own thing.
>>738699083Because it was, but it was on the Wiiu thus doomed to die sadly.Plus if the plan was to keep using Platinum they got tied up in Astral Chain, Bayo3, plus other shit.>>738698825Given it's just 64 with more context between missions it'd be a pretty weak reboot all things considered. But it is a means to revive interest in the IP, and grow it again, obviously.
>>738709530WW and TP aren't retelling the same story again and they take place after OoT chronologically. Don't be disingenuous, especially with WW. The entire moral of that game is to not repeat the past.
>It's just 64 again!Don't ask FE fans how many times the basic plot structure/character archetypes have been repeated since the first FE game.
>>738686579>>738686670>>738697319FEfags have been the most defensive pussy complex betas for over a decade at this point because they're Nintendo's pet franchise and they feel the need to pretend like FE deserves the treatment it gets from Nintendo when it's an extreme niche.It began with a bunch of Fire Emblem swordsmen getting raped into tr4sh and everyone calling that out and the FEfags saying "Uh no guys FE is really popular! Awakening sold really well!" when it got outsold by a literal port of a Wii Donkey Kong game and no FE games have ever been good sellers and are not to this day. Even through sheer volume of titles sharted out constantly by Nintendo they undersell other franchises that barely get games.Obviously StarFox is more popular and well known. You can show anyone StarFox characters at, at worst, they'll be like "Oh yeah Fox from Smash Bros". If you show them any Fire Emblem character they'll just say, "What anime is that from?"
>>738699820Peppy? No one really.I'd absolutely take Slippy if they go all in on him being a mech, using grenades, traps, turrets, drones, etc.Smash needs some good grease monkey gearheads already.
>>738693665Gee if only Fire Emblem had an N64 game like Star Fox, or wasn’t stuck in Japan until the 2000s. For christ sakes even Earthbound got localized without Smash shilling.
>>738709675Why would they recognize Fox from Smash Bros and not Marth from Smash Bros, retard?
>>738699820Peppy and Slippy are more recognizable and beloved than any Fire Emblem character.The only Fire Emblem characters the general audience of gaming know, they know because they're in Smash Bros. There are no Fire Emblem characters that anyone wants in Smash outside of the extremely tiny and niche fanbase that Nintendo for some reason caters to.
>>738700438I would but1. I have no gba emulator2. I suck at these games and wouldn't want to ruin your guys fun. because I'd get someone important killed by accident.Best of luck though
>>738709193If it was on PS5, Xbox or PC you would be right. But what is the competition on Switch 2 anon?>>738709208Yeah, FE is pretty much stuck with 3D unless Nintendo commissions Vanillaware to do it. And they're probably only good for one game considering how often Vanillaware releases games.
>>738694351Perhaps he waited for the perfect opportunity with the Mario Movie.
>>738709713Because Fox has a distinct design and Marth is a generic anime pretty boy, faggot. He's forgettable, undistinct, and makes no impression outside of Melee in which he makes an impression for chaingrabbing Fox. So basically, even in the only Smash Bros that Marth is relevant in, it's only because of what he can do in relation to Fox. He apes off of Fox's fame even in Smash. What a pathetic franchise for homo weabs.
>>738703101>Donnel>10>Just a literal regular dude fighting for his home and familyFEbros can be alright at times.
>>738709792As awesome as that would be, Vanillaware doesn't do contracted games. They only do their own things, for better or for worse. That alongside their hatred for PCs is probably going to bankrupt them one day sadly.
>>738709257>>738709253Yes.They are good.Fuck off you tards.
>>738709807If a person has played Smash Bros yet couldn't recognize Marth, that's not normal. That's called Alzheimer's.
>>738709635TP is pretty damn close anon.First dungeon is in the forest in a treeSecond is in death mountain to help goronsThird is water to help zoraThen you need the temple of time to get master sword. ganondorf returns.It's a pretty close retread. and was admitted to be so by the devs due to WW poor resception visually.And if you are going to use time line shit as an argument. Then Zero was to be the start of a fully new continuum.So again it's still it's own separate thing no matter how much retards want to shit post otherwise.
>>738694941You know it’s ironic when I think about it, both Advance Wars Reboot Camp and Metroid Prime 4 had their hype ruined with delays. Both are niche as well.
>>738686579You fags are so mentally ill you're infighting, lmao. Not enough to chase other platforms around?
>>738695054I’m shocked Switch Era FE is lower than GBA/GC on this poll considering 3 Houses supposedly sold well.
>>738710000That's completely normal. It's the same reason no one remembers you even fi they were in a room with you. Completely unremarkable, valueless, nothing.
>>738710197Anon, that poll just shows that channel's viewerbase mostly consists of older FE fans and not the new ones that joined with 3H. And it makes sense cause why would 3H fans watch a channel dedicated to the entirety of Fire Emblem when they only care care about 3H?
>>738710197>using some eceleb pollAnon 3H sold something like double the next highest FE game. A majority of the current FE fanbase started with 3H.
>>738710219>Fire Emblem fans: "That's Marth from FE1">Most people: "Oh that's Marth from Smash">people who he didn't make an impression on: "Uhh that's that blue haired sword guy from Smash right?">retards who can't remember what they had for breakfast this morning (You): "Uhhh, who dat?"
>>738710329>>people who he didn't make an impression on: "Uhh that's that blue haired sword guy from Smash right?"Thanks for conceding my point. This is the majority of people who would recognize Marth to any degree, which is a minority of the general gaming audience. Meanwhile, they would immediately recognize Fox and the space animals. Congrats you came full circle around to my point and you managed to do it despite drinking more Jack Daniels in the womb through your mother's alcohol intake than your absent dad.
>>738698054gave her cigarettes while strapped to an oxygen tank, unsurprisingly, she burned herself to death
>>738710426I didn't concede shit because your exact words were >they'll just say, "What anime is that from?"
>>738709418the point is that people like star fox from their headcanons about it, they pretend that it is furry gundam when it isn't. that goes to FE
>>738697319>and FEfags got really upset about itThat’s just them putting on their usual victim complex, the original post never mentioned FE but FE fans always like to twist things and make it about them. I’ve never seen a fanbase that’s as loud, obnoxious and defensive as Fire Emblem fans.
>>738710591Modern Twitter is so funny. It's like two /v/irgins starting an argument except there's a bunch of normalfags there to witness it and jump in and make it a big deal.
>>738686579If this released in 2011, with the backlog of Starfox 64 remakes behind it already, it would've flopped hard. Out culture has changed though, so has the economy, and most importantly, nintendo is I'm their Disney adult era. So get ready for this to sell well for the same crowd that bought tomadachi.
>>738710591>get told that this thread is Star Fox fans fighting FE fans>it's actually just Smash retards getting upset about FE for the 10000th time
>>738697319>>738710591>>738686579i assumed you were talking about a previous thread on /v/, not fucking twitter
>>738710772sir/v/ is just your twitter extension plug-in.
>>73871071290% of the ""Star Fox"" fans ITT are just Smashbabs who have never played a Star Fox game in their life.
>>738710712tbf whenever Smashfags get into an argument about something, it's like a vortex that tends to drag in fans of other franchises because of the sheer volume of their retarded takes.Remember when Terry got announced, a bunch of Smashfags said he was a literal who that had zero historical relevance and it turned into Smashfags having twitter slapfights multiple fanbases in the FGC?
>>738697392it's the stupid gimmicks. it always has beenadventure sold well. lack of on-rails missions wasn't the best but people were mostly ok with the game anyway (lack of general scales fight, andross hijack, notwithstanding)assault was just a retooled multiplayer game with missions slapped on at the last moment, as evidenced by the disproportionate amount of on-foot missions. would have been better if the on-foot levels had you walk along a path so you always knew where to go, keeping the arcadey on-rails feelzero's retarded dual-screen gamepad controls and the Wii U's failure caused it to bomb. a port to switch might have saved it, but the stupid gamepad gimmick stopped it from happening
>>738710932Sandbag is adorable. Glad he is in Air Riders.
>>738686579Fire Emblems cast changes every fucking game except for the games where they're direct sequels to certain games. but yeah FE isnt iconic not like Fox and his crew or hell at this point even Captain Falcon whos been doomed to only cameos in smash is more iconic then anybody in FE.
>>738697806You know what, it’s really funny how FE has the subtitle “Engage” when it would be much more fitting for Star Fox which is much more engaging hence the “On Rails” genre. Imagine “Star Fox Engage” it already sound much more cooler to say.
>>738710591I somehow have some doubts that the Smashfag on twitter that starts talking about Smash additions and has Banjo as a profile pic actually gives a fuck about the cultural impact of Star Fox characters.Especially given that he probably didn't have a single thought about those characters until Fox was revealed for the Mario movie.
>>738698308Which is funny because if Awakening didn’t succeed none of the shit that came after it wouldn’t exist.
>much cultural revelance>muh impact on gamingMan, I fucking hate how some Smashfags act like being added to that franchise is some kind of gaming hall of fame where you need to show up with the right portfolio of credentials to even be considered for it. It's a fucking guest spot in a platform fighter, imagine how far up your own ass a fighting game player would sound if they started talking about how [insert character] doesn't have the historical accolades to show up as a guest character in Virtua Fighter or whatever.
>>738708756It's actually true.Thats why you had a few reactions to the FE final teaser on the argument that it wasn't worthy of it over basically any other Nintendo IP.
>>738699364Star EmblemYou must use Firefox to participate in this thread
>>738711073It fits both perfectly, why are you pushing this gay ass fight?Both are about Engagingin fights. To a near equal level. One is just on the ground. The other in the sky/space>>738711272I just want 3rd parties out by and large and it being mostly 1st and 2nd as it was meant to be. Smash is supposed to Celebrate NINTENDO's history. Not the entire industry.Keep Megaman, DQ Hero, Sonic, mayyybe Banjo.Kill Cloud and Sephiroth, Joker, Steve, Kazima, Snake (literally only in because kojimcuck is a grovelling dick sucker), etc.
https://x.com/i/status/2053875175402189206ugghhh i need divine dragon sex and camilla sex
>>738711272Smash is a cultural phenomenon.Virtua Fighter is a literally who franchise.
>>738711413>3Dcringe
>>738700450>I see some people trying to push the idea that shithair Cai's getting in Super Smash Bros.Hope it doesn't.There is some resetera nigger seething that Smash has no black/brown people.Would be extremely funny if they put Alucarc, the only white guy Lord, over the others.Would be a fun read.
>>738710932Toby Fox and his games are cringe
>>738697319this exact argument happened with guilty gear fags saying that sol badguy is more iconic than anyone in mortal kombat
>>738710697What if Other M came out today? Very curious about this.
>>738686579Wow the shooty shooty game is more popular with normalfags than the strategy anime RPG game? Shocking
>>738699694>Star Fox FanYou mean Smashfag.
>>738709675A lot of FE fans forget a fraction of their games are not even localized. The reason it gets treated the way it does is because it started as a JP only franchise and it stayed that way until the 2000s when Marth and Roy were added in Melee.
>>738708756>>738708810>>738711372Why do Nintendo fans hate Fire Emblem so much?
>>738709636Never ask FE fans about repeated use of Avatars.
>>738709443I know right, Fire Emblem needs another flop so their fans experience another life or death situation pre-Awakening.
>>738711967people would just go>it's just Dread 2 with cringier voice acting than MP4and you'd see people going "Team Ninja isn't the same since Itagaki died" and "Bring back the Dread people" like Sonic people started to wish the Cannonhead people back when Superstars got out
>>738712201fem corrin and fem alear are the best avatars
>>738686579To be fair, one was a dedicated Direct and the other was a trailer that came from a standard Direct. So Fire Emblem arguably got more viewership there.But the Star Fox Direct has pulled larger numbers than both Kirby Air Riders Directs and the Tomodachi Life Direct, which is a really good sign. Plus Amazon US ran out of pre-orders for a bit. They have since restocked, but the fact that it happened is a good sign.
>>738703914>3H characters are going to get replaced by whatever ends up coming down the road for FE characters later.they literally didnt though they still place above engage characters
>>738697319fire emblem has way more porn, meanwhiel star fox is all gay shit and the occasional krystal coomer
>"Star Fox thread">look inside>it's actually Smashpedos seething about Fire Emblem for the gazillionth time
>>738712231we literally just had a flop but we're getting a new game anyway ;) fe fans stay winning
>>738713612Tbf Awakening character were more popular than Fates and SoV characters, yet 3H characters were still able to overshadow Awakening characters. Eventually there'll be a new FE that does overshadow 3H
>>738712892people are not gonna be happy when they realize they spent 70$ for a 1 hour game
>>738713801just make procedurally generated levels. quality doesn't matter
>>738713801>$70 gameTell me you know nothing about the game without telling me you know nothing about the game.Lmao.
>>738713801>70Way to out yourself, faggot
>>738686746>Asmongold aka Zachariah Hoyt, a multi millionaire sitting in his cave, recently revealed he has over 60 million stacked up during an interview>still shills pro israel propaganda>still waits 20 years for Nintendo games (even tho he doesn't own a Switch or Switch 2)
>>738703914>The only FE characters that genuinely seem to be popular regardless of the time period are Lyn, Anna and Ike. Check back in a decade and then we can see how popular the 3H cast truly is.It’s such a shame that since Smash 4, Brawl, hell even Melee, that they only pick the most recent protagonists and stop there. Lyn is one of the only FE characters that has withstood the test of time and it’s all thanks to being the first character you see in the first localized game.
>>738702758>>738703101Marth and Chrom do appear on the Nintendo Museum mural but that’s about it. No other FE character was important enough to be put here.
I wonder who will get the promotion in Smash 6 between Krystal and Lyn.
>>738705660Watch what? The Japan Exclusive games that originally never got localized? (Not counting the limited time shitty 2020 port) Starting off on the NES doesn’t mean shit when the Super Famicom came out the same year as the first FE game.
>>738704275>Star Fox is the better series because of a decade old reddit memeI feel bad for all ten of the remaining Star Fox fans that aren't just Smashfags larping as Star Fox fans
>>738706137Do a Barrel Roll!
>>738686579>direct itself vs trailer that came out after the direct(which has 5.3m views btw)Why are Star Fox tards so disingenuous? Is it because their games are all the fucking same?
>>738710932Fuck Undertale/DeltaruneI’m sure we will be getting some fucker from those games in Smash 6.
>>738717770>Why are Star Fox tards so disingenuous?Because they're not actually fans of Star Fox, they're Smash Bros fans who are still upset about Fire Emblem for reason
>>738686579>>738686746Game has chance to be big if it's polished and good. Cope cucks
>>738713669Which is funny because Fun fact: There was actually a time where Star Fox used to be the Fire Emblem of Smash representation bias.>It got a new character every game until Smash 4.>It was the only non Mario/Zelda/Pokémon veteran franchise to get a Melee newcomer.>Fans complained about it having more characters then bigger series DK and Metroid in terms of the Brawl.>Krystal was a big request character during the early speculation time but people were worried about SF being on par with the 4 characters count with Mario/Pokémon/Zelda.Good times. Star Fox representation in Smash was great, until Smash 4. Smash 4 sucked as far as Star Fox content goes, and though Ultimate is better, it’s still lacking. Yeah, we got Wolf back, but we’re still missing stages, and missed out on a lot of great music from Star Fox 2, Adventures, Assault and even Command, hell, Ultimate didn’t add any new remixes for Star Fox but funnily enough F-Zero got some new remixes in Ultimate.But I think it's more the oversaturation of their introductions. For Star Fox you had one character, then two, then three, back to two, then back to three.With the FE cast you had zero, then two, still two, then six, and then A WHOOPING EIGHT.Even the Pokèmon didnt have a ramp that aggressive.Still wouldn’t mind Slippy and Peppy playable in Smash. We got the damn Awakening Trio for fuck sake.
For the debate on which series is more culturally relevant, I'd say that Star Fox 64 is more relevant than any Fire Emblem game, however Fire Emblem as a whole is more relevant than Star Fox as a whole
I find it funny how normalfaggots buy games they hate just because they have the Nintendo brand on them.What are the odds that an arcade rail shooter with a playthrough lasting half an hour would have 2.8 million views on YouTube? This shit is as niche as it gets.Nintendo could use this evi power for something beneficial, like introducing some quality Japanese series that are ignored by Westerners.
>>738686579>trying to start beef between two Nintendo games
>>738713801I’m curious to see how much the newest FEslop will cost and if all those same 4 Million fools who bought Treehouses will buy Unfortunate’s Weep. This pricing tier list is aging badly, Nintendo probably saw how shit Mario Tennis Fever performed.https://x.com/ProtendoYT/status/2031465863098839160?s=20
>>738709378This has to be some of the dumbest revisionism I've ever seen on this website. Fire Emblem had always got on fine being a small-budget series that put out a game every 2-2.5 years. The development cycles have actually gotten longer, not shorter, as the series has gotten more popular, and the games haven't gotten any better for it.The time between the release of Engage and FW will break the record for the longest gap between mainline Fire Emblem titles.
>>738688001music to my ears. Fate of the series depends on Nintendo being proven that letting Treehouse run wild with the series is going run it into the ground.
>>738686579>literally who furfag toddler game vs FETendies are mentally ill.
>>738696513By all metrics, it is, both by user engagement and in sales. Fire Emblem Heroes hosts a Choose Your Legends popularity contest every year. 3 Houses dominated CYL4 and has a new character winning almost every year after that (we just had CYLX this past February with Sylvain winning). Meanwhile Awakening fans had to pity rally to get Chrom to win (beg people with slide presentations, convince them how horribly treated the series is, and whatnot)
This thread is like the trifecta of salefaggotry. Smash v. Fire Emblem, Star Fox vs. Fire Emblem, and now the familiar Fire Emblem v. Fire Emblem. A watering-hole for the <100 IQ.
>>738703914Dude, 3H came out seven years ago, we're only three years away and they're still popular
>>738686746Cool that he's starring in this game as Pigma.
>>738721549They're still popular because there's been 1(one) mainline game since and that didn't grab the fanbase nearly as well as 3H did.
>>738687264there 0 remakes.3d is not a remake.zero is not a remake.
>>738720252I smell extreme cope here.
>>738721713Engage revived TH's popularity, because by 2021 the fanbase was tired by it. You can even see it in CYL7 when Three Houses didn't have any winner, and after that Three Houses won a spot every year.
>>738721549>Dude, 3H came out seven years ago, we're only three years away and they're still popularThat’s because Engage was trash and was a nostalgia bait game which featured the 3H shitters.
>>738703282Gas e celeb niggers now
>>738686579fire emblem would be fucking cooked if it didn't have smash games to advertise it
>>738699707>Falcom makes shovelwareFalcom was unironically one of the pioneers of the genre back in the 90s in Japan but the refusal to leave the PC is what reduced them to what they are now
>>738721781Just facts, retard. It's 3.5 years since Engage released by late summer/early fall.
I feel people are not happy with another 3h rehash and would've preferred a new game entirely. Preferably with a different artist since 3h artist fucking suck
>>738721829That kinda just proves my point even more, The FE fanbase as a whole vastly prefers 3H and Engage was just a blip in the radar in comparison.
>>738704438I'm so sorry your current wet fantasy is being eaten alive by the roach coach
>>738721980Also, Engage had been complete for a while, they had shelved it. So it's plausible that FW has been worked on for nearly 5 years at this point in real development time, or damned close to it. These games are taking too long for what they are.
>>738722028I sure am not happy with it, which is why I'm not buying the switch 2 for TH's sequel. Regardless the sale figures will showcase if I'm just in the minority or the majority.
>>738722031The FE "fanbase" prefers 3H. If there are 100 FE fans in a room, I'd wager about 60-70 of them have only ever played 3H, Heroes and maybe Engage.
I'm a Fire Emblem fan, but I also love Star Fox games.I've only played 64,Command,and AssaultI'm hesitating to buy the new game because I'm not really a fan of the character designs
>>738722179I don't see the point in distinguishing things here, it doesn't really change anything I said. The vast majority of people who are into FE these days love 3H.
>>738722516Would you call people who only played Breath of The Wild LoZ fans?
>>738722568It doesn't really matter what I'd call them when most of the discussion is going to revolve around what they're talking about, being the majority of the fanbase.
Notice how he >>738722735 dodged the question? kek
I don't think people realize over half the 3H audience is not coming back. So there's no point in talking about them as if they're currently active and interested fans of the series. The game came out 7 years ago and they've since moved on. Time to wake up.
>>738722813Please tell me why my opinion on who is and isn't a fan matters in regards to the FE fanbase being full of people who love 3H.
>>738722921Pretty much. 3HRTs are in for a rude awakening when the game sells less than Engage. The coping will be off the charts
>>738722979It might sell more than Engage honestly. I can't say. I'm interested in the game, but that's because I'm interested in Fire Emblem games. There's no logical jump from "I bought one Fire Emblem game" to "I will now buy every future Fire Emblem game" and you can't get salesfags to understand this simple fact. 3H didn't create 4m new Fire Emblem fans. Like get fucking real.
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>>738722937There's a difference between fans of a franchise and fans of one specific game.Now that FW is coming out, its time for the "fans" to put their money where their mouth is and actually support it now that they got a game that panders to them.
>>738686746>unironically posting streamfaggotsNIGGER
>>738723161The reason why I don't think it will is because the userbase isn't there.If it sells more than 2 million copies that would put it in the switch 2's top 5.Three Houses is Switch 1's top 37
>>738686579a sequel to Starfox Zero + a Starfox Zero port would've been better, but I'm still going to buy this and Nintendo knows.
>>738723357On the other hand, console has nogaemz. If it releases at a critically important time where buyers are starved for games, it could be another Awakening. I think it's too early to say what its lifetime sales would be, but I tend to want to think Fire Emblem is at least a 2m seller based on over a decade of data, so the Engage bar is not high.
Why does it feel like engage was more hyped up than FW is? I remember talking about new twitter posts showcasing all the lords in the months leading up to engage's release. Ever since the initial trailer there's been nothing at all for FW
>>738723551because engage had new trailers every month
>>738719109Why are you mad about one of the most successful and acclaimed indie games of all time?
>>738723551Because they're being total niggers these days and keeping info under wraps until just before a game launches. Seems to be a new top-down strategy. Directs are coming in at a trickle. The era of Fates where we get news, trailers, and Direct footage over a year in advance feels like it belongs to another world.People should probably get used to not knowing a game until it's just about to come out.
>>738723551nintendo new strategy is to show a game and then never talk about it until it's about to come out.
>>738723693Actually, having said it aloud, I wonder if it's an anti-leaking/piracy measure. So many games get leaked nowadays. That could partly explain why they're announcing Directs literal minutes before they air.
>>738723551because it has all the baggage of 3h's mechanics with none of the harry potter high school grooming simulation 3hfags like.
I’m a Fire Emblem fan, but I don’t think Fortune Weave will be a success. Just like Engage, I don’t think the 3Hfags will be interested in it.I wouldn’t be surprised if it loses out to Star Fox in sales
>>738724081>Nintendo devs and top men all love Fire Emblem>tendie fans and Smashfags hate itThis shit will never stop being funny to me. Fire Emblem is the Velvet Underground of Nintendo IPs.
>>738721875Fire Emblem fans literally wouldn’t know about their favorite franchise if it weren’t for Smash Bros, the truth hurts.
>>738723551Engage had leaks???
>>738725383bro the whole game was leaked a year before the official reveal and everyone thought it was a fake because it looked like a chink gacha
>>738725383Yes and Alear's design was so retarded nobody believed it
>>738724081Star fox captures the pay and play for a total of an hour audience better, which makes up most of the switch 2 playerbase I fear. Pretty major selection bias in anyone who owns this console with still zero killer apps.
was Fates the pokemon sun and moon of Fire Emblem?as in peak horny
>>738725383Yep. We all thought it was a Chinese knockoff or done by Gust.https://imgur.com/a/fire-emblem-leak-pics-HGYtCpt
>>738727778>sun and moon>peak hornyMaybe if you love 11 year old girlswhich is understandable
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>>738711848>no black peopleWhat about falco? Or inkling
>>738686670Almost any other Nintendo franchise will double FE's numbers. F-Zero should cuck them next.
>>738709675>>738712157FE's terrible localization is a big part of why its kinda floundered. Awakening was a huge rebirth for it but then subsequent entries were raped internationally so all the momentum was lost
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>>738721875>fire emblem would be fucking cooked if it didn't have smash games to advertise itI don't know why Smashfags keep trying to force this lie considering the first truly successful FE game in the west was Awakening, which released two years before any characters from that game made an appearance in Smash Bros. Maybe you could argue FE7 got a sales boost from Melee, but every FE game between 7 and Awakening suffered from poor sales, including FE10 and FE11 which both released relatively close to the release date of Brawl. Also Fire Emblem was already popular in Japan before the release of Melee, and Three Houses managed to become the best-selling tactical RPG before Byleth was announced for Ultimate.
riskchads? how are we feeling about this one?
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>>738730398What's crazy is how this leak was actually an insane spoiler with Mauvier lol.
>>738730398Some of the shittiest armor design in the series. Mauvier is a human trash can.
>>738730186It was so bad that IS told treehouse to fuck off after they removed entire minigames and mechanics from the western release of fates. And yet, their current localizers are not any better...
>>738702704 P S LEFFEN I aint done yet
>>738710442Decent chance her corpse is still being used as his alarm clock
>>738697702Edelxisters…
>>738730186normalfags don't care about localization changes
>>738730063>F-Zero should cuck them next.Rhythm Heaven, is $40 so even that cheaper and is on Switch 1 for those who still don’t have a Switch 2 yet.
The ONLY people that thought Fire Emblem was more popular or more iconic than Star Fox are people born 2008+
>>738731165>it's popular with uncsthis isn't the win you think it is.
>>738725242I learned about FE from a random nintendo magazine. Speak for yourself.
>>738731238Except it is? Go look at OP's pic again. Nobody cares about FE, not even the Japanese.
>>738731307I boughted sacred stones in an airport because the cover art looked awesome and it was only 40 dollarinos
>>738730287I haven’t played either Fates or Sun/Moon but if I had to choose between the Waifus I’m definitely going with Lusamine. Mother’s Day just passed and God I wish she were MY Mom.
>>738731398>Nobody cares about FE, not even the Japanese.Unc... why are there two Japan-exclusive trading card games based on FE then?
>>738686579It's because Engage irreparably damaged FE and the new FE focuses too much on fecaloids.
>>738731165Starfox has zero cultural influence outside of do a barrel roll (dead unc meme) and smash bros.
>>738731165Those same people would be way too young to play Awakening on launch. I think maybe they would be Switch 3 Houses fans instead.
>>738731307Ain’t no way senpai!>>738731430>BoughtedYou are not to be taken seriously ESLtard.>>738731919Engage did not have Smash shilling either, not even as collectible PNG spirits.
Slippy and Peppy for Smash 6 unironically, there’s no reason why we cannot have the full Team Star Fox playable. It was planned back in Smash 64.
>>738732115>newfriend exposes herself
Fuck Faggot Emblem.Even as a remake, Star Fox is eternal kino that will never be matched by some gay twink tactics dicksuck RPG.
>>738731398heroes alone eclipses the entire star fox series in salescope seethe dilate the biggest relevance is having a high tier in smash bros melee
>>738732254I think it's time for Andross to show up as a playable character in Smash.Before you shit on the idea he already canonically has plenty to work with.>Telekinesis>Earthbending (see Venom 1 in Star Fox 64)>Shooting lightning from his fingers>Teleportation>Giant head and two hands can be his final smash
Star fox is one of those legacy franchises uncs pretend to care about because they played it as children, but it has no actual fanbase and would have faded into obscurity if not for an unrelated platform fighter they were lucky enough to be good in.
>>738710591Both are wrong because there a bunch of Pokemon more iconic than than Toad and Slippy or any Fire Emblem characters not yet playable.
>>738711514Proved his point.
>>738732726All of that is true but it's still more iconic than Fire Emblem, which is what the argument was about.
>>738732726>Has no actual fanbase>Two gigantic career-launching fan projects based on the universe of Star FoxNext time you're gonna lie, try shutting the fuck up
>>738732726And all of that would apply even further for FE.
>>738733263Lmao, you wish
>>738733116It's iconic because Fox is good in melee. Nobody cares about the games themselves.
>>738733338>only relevant because of Smash>was literally going to fade into obscurity before AwakeningHow is he wrong?
>>738733468>Awakening sold well because Robin got added to smash 2 years later
>>738730575they removed an entire romance from engage and they seem to have not gotten in trouble for that
>>738733468>only relevant because of a game that came out long after their then biggest hit at the time
>>738733598Without Smash, you wouldn't even have Awakening FEbab.
>>738686579FE didn't get its own direct, that scene was taken out of the general Direct. If you include those views, FE got about 6.3M views. That said there's no real way to compare these because not everyone who watched the general Direct stayed for the entire thing (FE was the final game). What we do know is that sales wise the FE series generally outsells SF by a little, and profit-wise, FE is Nintendo's third most profitable franchise after Pokemon and Mario. Yes, just by having a mobile game FE makes Nintendo more money than 50M unit selling series like Animal Crosssing.
Why are you faggots STILL gamewarring over this forced? It feels like when a kid says he can drink water the fastest or think up the biggest number (actually saw some kids do this last week), and then every kid joins in the contest just because he challenged them, not questioning the value of the contest itself. Do you all have the mental age of children?
>>738733746FE has always had a weirdly strong backing from NoJ. That's why it had 5 going onto 6 JP only games when Melee came out.Brawl barely influenced the sales of the GCN/Wii games and even after the first DS game sold like trash, they still funded a JP only sequel.Hell, neither Marth nor Roy were playable in English for like a decade after Melee came out, so the "sales boost" failed.
>>738733746I haven't seen any evidence that smash has had a notable impact on franchise sales up to that point. Even if you wanted to play Roy or Marth's game because you thought they were cool in melee, their games weren't even released outside of Japan.
Fire emblem is a pirate series. Always has been ever since GBA4IOS
>>738733807We're bumping it so we can have a real FE thread
>>738734214The funny this is Fire Emblem is probably the one series Nintendo actually doesn't care that much about piracy. It makes effectively 100% of its profits from microtransactions in Heroes. Similar to how Disney loss leads with its movies to make the IP for attractions at its actually profitable amusement parks, Fire Emblem games exist to create the new characters that whales will later pay real money for .pngs of.
>>738734463That hasn't been true for 90% of the franchise's history. And heroes is dying off too.
>>738735029That's how desperate Heroesfags are for relevance.
>>738733807That sounds like every argument in every FE thread
>out the whole day>return to see all the crying and bitching
>>738732298>>738732945What Pokèmon would you add from each Generation that doesn’t have a playable rep? I’ll begin with Cinderace for Gen 8.
>>738721658MOMMY SCREAMED REAL GOOD WHEN SHE BURNT TO A CRISP
>>738733746Without Marth and Roy in Smash Fire Emblem simply would’ve stayed Japan Exclusive and maybe died off eventually.
>>738714136>>73871435160$ is still crazy for a 1-2 hour game
>>738736151Is that why Roy's game is still not legally playable outside of Japan?
>>738721870engage was a amazing
>>738733986Ike was the first English speaking FE character in Smash and doesn’t come off as cringe unlike the others that came after him.
>>738723551engage got like no marketing until like a week before it came out
>>738736424Ike is a faggot tho you only like him because his sword is big (pun intended).
>>738730186>FE's terrible localization is a big part of why its kinda floundered.you guys need to leave your echo chamber, the vast majority of people do not care about shit localization
>>738687001he's a complete retard on anything not WoW that does zero research but i'm surprised his zigger editor put such a dumb title in
>>738736353What's amazing about Engage is the gameplay and most nuFE fans don't give a shit about gameplay so since everything else about the game is rough, I can understand why they see it as abysmal dogshit.
>>738725242not really, my brother just randomly got me sacred stones and I loved it, it didnt even click for me at first that this was the same game series marth was from
>>738735129The 3 Excuses Fire Emblem fans use to make their series seem competent>Awakening saved the series>Heroes grossing 1 Billion >3 Houses, a mainline title selling 4 MillionSometimes they’ll even say FE starting on the Famicom since 1990 makes it flagship or whatever, while ignoring that it started as Japan Exclusive. Series should change its name to Fraud Emblem.
>>738736759I hate all 3 of those games lol. At a certain point you just have to accept that slop is what translates to mainstream appeal and success.
>>738735935>FE fans expecting Fortune’s Weave news dropping any time soonCan’t let you do that Fire Emblem!We were ordered to back you the fuck out!
>>738736759I guarantee you most of the people that say those things are Heroesfags, they're obsessed with numbers and metrics.
>>738736151>Without Marth and Roy in Smash Fire Emblem simply would’ve stayed Japan Exclusive and maybe died off eventually.Wrong, it was Advance Wars that convinced Nintendo to localise FE: https://web.archive.org/web/20120426182037/http://www.edge-online.com/features/making-advance-wars?page=2Why would two SRPG characters being added to a party game convince Nintendo that they should bring an SRPG series to the west? Ness being in two Smash Bros games didn't convince them to localise Mother 3.
>>738736968I would only know point 1 without being told 2 and 3. Point 1 is just obvious.
In an alternate timeline, Squaresoft became a 2nd Party Developer to Nintendo while Intelligent Systems left them to develop for the PlayStation.
>>738737349Final Fantasy is such dogshit. I cannot comprehend why anyone likes it.
>>738737349>while Intelligent Systems left them to develop for the PlayStationFunny, that's exactly what the creator of Fire Emblem Shouzou Kaga wanted. So he probably would have stayed working on Fire Emblem in this timeline.
