>game forces you to use certain party memberswhat is the worst example of this?
>>738709781ff6 and 9's forced party segments were pure cancer
Lost Odyssey.Disk 3 mandates you use Cooke and Mack, two of the worst party members in the entire game that you have likely not even had in your party once since unlocking them (Unless you knew about the Silver Kelelon farming via Mack), to traverse a segment where they get one-shot for about half an hour until you reconnect with Ming and I think Sarah? If you haven't used them ever by that point you have to stay at the save point, pray you get a random encounter with one of the ice spider things, and pray Mack kills it instantly on his turn or one of them dies every time. Then you slowly grind out levels until you can finally progress through the trains until you can beat the mandatory three or four spider encounter outside of the cave.Cooke is a white mage so she's useless the entire time until you stop getting one-shot.Mack is a gambler so his damage is all random chance and also based around his stats so even high rolls don't do much.
Rogue Galaxy's final boss forces you into a series of 1v1s with every party member.
>game forces you to train some loser
I hate that KH2 final fight forces you to be only with RikuFuck off you gay faggot, I want Donald and Gofy
>>738710014I think VI and XIII are the absolute worst FFs in terms of forcing you to use certain party members that you don't want to be using. VI and XIII are a lot alike in all the worst ways.
>>738709781recently 7 and rebirth, I hate playing as aerith and the game keeps forcing you to use this bitch
>>738710332I liked training Beyd. I played this a few times as a kid and I always looked forward to it.
>>738710167I remember this garbage, I never used the kids up to this point because everyone else was so much cooler or thematically appropriate (Kaim fighting with his wife etc).
>>738710167>Tripfaggot attention whore is shit at video gamesThat section is not even slightly difficult and his damage is not random
>>738710167I had leveled mack because he had some defensive buff that was super good. that segment and boss was still pretty fucking hard.
>>738710618>his damage is not randomSome of his skills are random damage, especially if you don't have the newer stuff he gets from level ups unlocked. He has like one skill that lets him do some decent damage but it requires two hits to kill a spider when using it, so you have to win the coin flip that it kills Cooke until Mack can survive a hit and then start power leveling Cooke with it.The fact that two other people remember and back me up on this shows it's a bad segment and you clearly leveled both of them beforehand because I used Mack for a few Silver Kelelons and was still getting one-tapped for like 15-20 minutes.
>>738710014I like how in 9 everyone is unique. But it takes too long for everyone to get together.
>>738709781But Yuffie was the best character to use in Rebirth.
Kimahri.iykyk.
>>738709781Breath of Fire III
Its clearly FF6 making you change the party every 20 minutes
>>738710332This was fun.
>>738709781FF8>get all my GFs and Magics junctioned onto party members>game switches focus to the other half of the gang a minute later, so I have to swap them around again>wait, nope, back to the first group>actually, go play as Laguna!
>>738710167Holy shit I had completely forgot about this lmao
>>738710832Yeah it's really bad about that. I'm even an oldfag and I don't know why people have such strong nostalgia for it.
>>738710921Years later after replaying FF8, I realized you could just melt all the boss by just spamming limit breaks. No need to even Junction. The game is actually more fun this way with Squall and Zell's limit breaks.
>>738710332This one game has more soul than most console generations combined.
>>738709781any time you have to play as MJ in spiderman 1 and 2.
>>738710786It's odd that that segment sucks so much since the boss allegedly scales with Kimahri's stats. I guess it's just a pain in the ass regardless of the scaling.
>>738710786I know because it happened to me. I didn't use Yuna either, so her solo trial was real shitty.
>>738709781Cold Steel 1 is pretty bad about this, especially when you have to play with picrel who's not only a shitty party member but a really shitty character as well, blessed are the moments when Laura and Fie are in the same party
>>738709781>game suddenly forces you to solo encounter with a companion you never leveled
>>738711359Please do not slander the plague bearer.
>>738710786>>738711338Kimahri and Yuna are why I ALWAYS level all party members equally, even if I don't actively use them. You never know when you're gonna be restricted like that, and I don't want to be caught unprepared if and when it happens.
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>>738710167Absolute bullshit. That section isn't difficult at all and I spent zero time grinding or being careful. How are you retards so bad at video games? A fucking jarpig at that - the lowest, easiest form of video game.
>>738710786>when you havent used him all game and you SUCC for multiple instant overdrivesits kino
>>738711857>That section isn't difficult at allNo one is saying it's difficult. We're saying that if you didn't grind levels on them you literally get one-shot by the spiders so you're stuck there for a while farming these things until they can survive and finally move on.
>>738710921At least the later releases have the ability to easily swap junctions. The original Japanese doesn't.
>>738709781Pathfinder games making me bring an unleveled nigger companion to a quest because it's related to them.Yes I could kill them or ignore the quest but my completionist ass and the item rewards make me unable to do it.At least there's a mod to make the game wokeless and turn the niggers into white people and change their voices
>>738709781You know, if you can't use a certain character, then you are shit at playing the game, no?Should a game only present you with challenges you like?
>>738710741>It's the game's fault I didn't level up these characters see other people agree with me The only slightly challenging part was the boss and I played the game the way the game wanted me to play. It's not like you have much freedom with team building until near endgame anyway. If you mentioned that fight with the soldiers as being bullshit I would have agreed with you.
>>738712197>It's the game's fault I didn't level up these charactersThere was no point. Both Cooke and Mack were garbage mortals at the time they are unlocked, you are still currently trying to learn things from Jansen who is useful for basically everyone since he uses black magic, you don't want to remove your three or four immortals (I can't remember if Sarah has joined at that point) and only Sarah really benefits from Cooke at all. Mack in particular has skills that don't serve any purpose for any immortal, they are all genuinely terrible to use unless you are specifically rolling the dice on Silver Kelelons.
>>738712062nta but the issue is entirely dependant on context.Does the game have auto leveling equalizer when benched characters level up passively? If so then not really a issue, bit jarring, but managable. If the game doesn't have auto leveling equalizer then it feels like a donkey punch like Kimahri segment in Mt. Gagazet. You're screwed over by something you didn't saw coming because you didn't bothered to press defend once each random encounter with Kimahri. People cant be really blamed for it because Kimahri is... well... kinda useless in FFX. He's supposed to be a blue mage archetype but that only happens when he uses his Overdrive and onlytime that happens is if you fill it up by using lancet on every enemy and happen to run into one that gives him a new overdrive. It also doesn't help that he doesn't have any active usable abilities on his non-existant sphere grid path like other characters and there isn't an enemy type that you want to in-combat swap and use him on. It's not unusual for Kimahri to be severely underleveled in your average playthrough if you go into the game blind.
>>738711359>Shitty party memberMachias is based what are you talking about, sure hes not Laura and Fie level but that's because those 2 fucks are overtuned as shit.
>>738712402It's a complete non-issue. Biran & Yenke scale with Kimahri's stats and if you didn't use him you can just span Overdrives.
>>738710014Ypu're a retard. The party dynamic was the best thing about 9. FF13s party dynamic is kino too
Yuffie tummy.
>>738713206>FF13s party dynamic is kino tooNo.
>>738713206>XIII>Kino in anywayYou should have your speaking rights revoked.
>>738713429Tuffie yummy
>>738709781Wuk Lamat>not a party memberDon't care. Forced as fuck character
>>738712402>benched charactersThen you played the game wrongly, retard.This is like:>Should I not look at corners and edges for finding secret items?
Wait, people hate playing as Yuffie?
>>738713889Option paralysis and her attacks are spammy as shit with no weight to them, her doppelganger is mandatory and her voice lines are really annoying. I put her over Aerith, Red 13 and Cait Sith any day of the week though.
>>738710332Source, please?
>>738714435Drills3d it says right there
>>738714471Nyukka...
>>738709781> Yuffie: "Are you going to use me?"> Me: "Oh, I'm going to use you in so many ways, you precocious little fucker."
>>738713889i can see the nipple. this is a blue board.
>>738714574where does she hide the materia?
>>738709781Dropped Rebirth at cosmo canyon when they forced me to use Red XIII and Barret the entire dungeon. Fuck that game.
>>738714598Her shorts maybe a clue.
>>738714636will she grow if she drinks enough tifa milk?
>>738714645barret is insanely good though also if this were the case you would have dropped it earlier in the corel mines when they force you to use the exact same combo
I can practically see which youtuber people are quoting in every post. what the fuck happened to this board.
>>738714729Tifa is the only fun character to play in Rebirth, every time they take away being able to play her the game got worse.
>>738714794Zoomers are afraid of confrontation and are too scared to give their own thoughtsIt's """safe""" to just parrot a youtuber because the zoomer can always deflect to "i-i-it's not me who said that, it's <youtuber>"
>>738714852cloud is also fun but yeah tifa outright mogs the rest of the characters really hard
>>738709781E33.Every party member sucks.
>>738711359Aside from the Crossbell games, Trails is pretty bad with party freedom in general until you hit Daybreak. A significant portion of my time with the Cold Steel games was spent grinding to gear up many of the 40ish bench warmers that youre forced to use instead of the ones you want.
would you ?
>>738715131I'd rather use Manipulate on her and fuck her for free
>>738711746the ideal female body FOR SEX
>>738710167Definitely the worst, doesn't mean you can overcome it obviously, but it stands out for me as probably being the biggest FUCK YOU for people who neclected them and/or didn't bother learning what they did in the genre of what OP is talking about.Especially if you grown reliant/complacent due the immortality mechanic.
I lov Yuffreya
>>738714794>>738714894its llms
>>738709781Kimahri in FFX
>>738715131What's the point of the std free sign, but still use condoms
>>738717908you can still get herpes and some other shit even using condoms anon. t h e m o r e y o u k n o w
>>738710167I definitely don't remember that but I don't remember a lot about the game
>>738709781Probably pic related. It has possibly the most segments of any JRPG I've played where they lock your comp to specific characters because they couldn't figure out any other way to evenly split the spotlight among them (a system that Atlus already figured out decades before them which Sandfall also used).
>>738715893She's extremely flexible and tight, built to be railed and impaled.
Cait Sith will always be the Yogurt of FF7.
>>738710014I know nothing of 9But 6 is peak all the way throughJust level up your friends
>>738710014Wasn't so bad in IX, but that shit made me drop VI.Helps that IX only had a party size of 8 whereas VI has 14.
>>738709781Suikoden 1
>>738709781Suikoden has a lot of theseIn Suikoden 1 you're forced to use a certain party member for a duel, and if you don't level them up or upgrade their weapon they will easily lose and will actually permanently die.In Suikoden 2 AND 3 one of the bosses you fight needs 3 different party members of 6 people, if you're only using the same characters all game some of the roster in those parties will be under leved which makes the boss fight harder, if not impossible to win without going back and do some level grinding for those other characters.
>>738709781Dark Cloud have some stages where you're forced to only use a single character, if you're only playing as the MC for the majority of the game (like me) you can easily get fucked over by those stages. Thankfully in Dark Cloud 2 there's an item that can remove the character limitation in those stages.
>>738721210I feel what matters is the context, like IIRC >>738710167 is right after a disc-change pretty long after the party split up with gameplay segments witout them and had some Points of no Return, If a game conditions you by doing it frequently from the start or if does it right at the end in a "This is the Final Boss, Use Everyone!" thing i don't think it is as "Worst".
>>738711315if you NEVER used kimahri at all, it makes sense. the player wouldnt remember how to lancet them for great shit to use in the fight itself.
>>738709781>hey i need to be in the party to get that feet
>>738710963They probably haven't replayed it recently. I went through it a few years ago and was extremely underwhelmed by the second half, which I thought was amazing when I was a kid.
>>738709781Probably not the worst example, but Mass Effect 2 has the loyalty missions and 3 has four forced missions I think. You have to take Edi to the cerberus station, Liara has to go to the Javik recruitment level, you have to take Tali, if alive, on one or more of the geth missions and I think you need to take Liara to the Asari homeworld
>>738721442he far outscales lune as the mage once you get him on break damage limit
>>738709781Having to play Vanille and the black dude in FF13. What a shitshow that game was and they were by and far the worst characters.>>738710332Unequip everyones gear, except leave a decent weapon for Ryu. Backhand + vitamin every turn and you can easily pass the fight after 1 night of training if you gave Beyd a claymore + absestos armor.>>738711494Sten is pretty weak outside of shaman form, I had to use a healing item, but it wasn't that bad.
>>738709781Do gacha game count?They usually mold the end game content around new characters that either power creeps older characters or has a gimmick that counters the new end game boss.
>>738721442I built him as an AP battery for Maelle
>>738711482If you play light side Exile, this happens in the final level as well with Mira if the game is not modded>>738711359In one instance, don't you have Laura and Fie with him?
>>738710167I actually used everyone equally and I still hated this part. I thought I was finally to the point where the game would actually let me play it and then it forces me into a big bullshit FF6 multiparty split for hours and of course I left a really good new accessory on Kaim who you don't touch for most of it.Fucking hate Lost Odyssey.
isn't yuffie like 15
Digital Devil Saga 2 hits you with a crazy fight with Abaddon relatively early in the game.People talk about Matador in SMT3 but Abaddon is way worse. Cycling resistances including null physical just as a fuck you to the MC who is likely running a physical build. Can eat party members to take them out of battle. Hits hard and has a high crit chance (meaning he gets extra turns). Knows all elemental spells and will go after party weaknesses (meaning gets extra turns) and just to top it all off you have to fight him with Ciello, a character you will not have been using unless you find his being Jamaican amusing.Sweet Asura of Manipura...
>>738723628>party weaknessesLooks like someone didn't learn a thing from the previous game
>>738710332 I quit BOF3 here because it was so uninteresting and not fun.
>>738709781I have a question for you people, who are angered by this: Would you still be angry, if the game told you straight out at the beginning, that you'll have to use every party member later?
>>738723268out of 10!
it's too early to be cooming goddamn it
Are the FF7 remakes actually good? I played the original and I think the original is kind of shit.Shallow game with a million context based QTE events
>>738710167I absolutely hated the kids. Everything involving them was game-ruining.
>>738724381I don't know why people hate on them so much, I loved them, best FF combat, very intense story, since it changes some things you don't know where it's gonna go, the characters are all great, game is just fun from beginning to end. The only problem is the open world sections in Rebirth which are Ubisoft trash but you don't have to do the boring tasks in them.
>>738724381The combat isn't shallow anymore but there are even more context based QTE events, make of that what you will
>>738724559It has a lot of mini games just like the original but this time they all have depth instead of being random button presses. It even has a tcg game in it.
FF...4? I think, might have been 5. It's been a while. Basically every "chapter" has a guest character/characters and/or limits the party choices. Unlike alot of other RPGs, nearly every single one of the guest characters dies or become unplayable for one reason or another.It's the worse version of this trope. At least with Kamari Ronso, you had him around before and he is usable after his section of the game. FF6 might constantly limit your party in one way or another, but it's not like Sabin becomes completely unplayable post the train.
>>738724381Remake is actually really fun. You might hate that there is a whole rhythm mini gameRebirth is a fucking slog due to it being open world.
>>738724234I remember Dragon Quest 4 making it pretty obvious that you're gonna have a split party for the majority of the game and it was fine there so yes I guess it is better.
>>738724808Remake feels more like a slog to me because it stretches out Midgar which is at best 4 hours to 40 hours. The side quests is also super rough compared to Rebirth, not just structure but the stories they tell. Rebirth is more high effort, to its detriment sometimes. They always wanted a gimmick in shit, like Gongaga exploration.
>>7387247182 and 4 both do this.
>>738713889I don't know about the modern version, but in the OG she was extremely unpopular. And even if you didn't hate her, it was hard to find space for her in a three-person party.>Slot 1Cloud. Mandatory, IIRC.>Slot 2Probably going to be Tifa for most people.>Slot 3Whoever you think is coolest or most useful, and that's a steep deck for Yuffie to stand out in, especially since she hadn't yet had her SEXOOOO transformation from better graphics yet.
>>7387097817R series forcing party members during every single story chapter was aggravating as fuck. The original NEVER did this outside of a few rare exceptions. Why does the remake take control away from the player in how they want to build their party?
>>738717908Pregnancy is the most life ruining std of them all
>>738724245she's a fucking child
>>738725131I wish I was fucking that child
>>738724885Remake being more "rough" is what makes it better. There is no long drawn outside quests.There is not collectables/minigames all over the fucking place.No ubisoft towersRemake does not waste your time with a bunch of shit.Rebirth is obnoxious with the amount of things to do in every new zone.
>>738725197Remake does waste your time, you just have no incentive to do side content really. All the slums and wall market stuff can take awhile to do. Meanwhile Rebirths stuff is also optional...except the part where Chadley gets all the good/unique materia meaning to get the most out of a playthrough you do need to do world intel. Replaying Rebirth and skipping shit, just like skipping shit in Remake, made it alot more smooth pacing-wise.
>>738725332>except the part where Chadley gets all the good/unique materiaHe does? I felt like the only truly "unique" materia he had were the combined element ones like Fire and Ice / Lightning and Wind Materia and you got those really early so there was no reason to 100% his intel.
>>738725197Rebirth only pads out the game with optional side content Remake pads out the game with forced story sequences. You WILL spend hours playing a crane game or a third trip to the sewers or a pointless detour in the train graveyard
Has anyone replayed Rebirth? I replayed Remake and it felt great again but all the open world stuff in Rebirth turned me off.
>>738725483He gets all 3 Elementals for one, IIRC to even get the fights you do need to do world intel.
>>738724352It's never too early.
>>738725775Every Yuffie section in Rebirth made me stop to masturbate before playing.
>>738709781Breath of Fire 2. I ended up dropping the game because of it.Rand, Sven, and Nina are all forced into your party at one point. This is a total curveball on a blind playthrough because they will all be weak as shit if you benched them. Rand and Sven have a solo fight while Nina has her own fucking dungeon. Also the secret character Bleu is just a better version of Nina.
>>738709781That part in Future Redeemed where you have to beat Rex and Shulk with Nikol and Glimmer.
>>738709781>>738710014I fucking hated it in XIII personallyConstantly forcing me into using a pair of characters for a decent stretch, right when I finally get some kind of comfort/rhythm going with them it puts me into another pair. Game did this shit nonstop until Gran Pulse where I finally got some agency over my teamIV also did an annoying habit of it. Mostly bad because so many of them are filler shitters that feel wasted to even level or use at all.
>>738721457>miserable old faggot doesn't enjoy things like his childhood self didshocker
>>738726542It only bothered me when the game forces you to play as a low HP character like Lightning or Hope because the leader dying is a game over. I hate the fight with Cid because the game won't let me to switch to Snow or Fang even though I have a full party.
>>738725641I plan to replay it once this mod is out, hopefully the modder finishes it
>>738709781>what is the worst example of this?Project Nortubel
>>738709781Suikoden 1 comes to mind. It's fucking ridiculous that in a game with 108 possible characters and up to 6 active party members you're forced to use like 3 or 4 party slots for huge portions of the game on characters you might not wantto use. I just want to use the cool tiger guy with dual axes but no, I'm stuck bringing the random ass boat guy, or Richter Belmont's gay cousin or some shit.
>>738725010She has pretty good stats and Doom of the Living is functionally the best Lv 3 limit break, almost on par with some Lv 4s and actually better than most of them. Meanwhile Tifa falls off in the latter half of the game. The best options other than Yuffie would be Cid or Barret , or Vincent if you're using that one exploit.
>>738713206>FFIX>party dynamicWhat dynamic? Freya effectively vanishes from existence from disc 2 onwards, Amaranth’s only presence is standing in the background of an occasional cutscene, Quina is a one-note joke that gets literally abandoned on a different continent and forgotten, and for most of the story Steiner is only there to screech “Princess!”. The party could have been cut in half and its dynamics would have actually improved.
>>738725010>>738728941Actually I forgot Angermax, but DotL is pretty close. Bloodfest is also one of the best Lv2s.
>>738714598The unbuttoned shorts weren't just a fanservice thing, they served a logical purpose as a quick stash point for stolen materia, and any male guard would think twice before shoving his hands down a teenage girl's underpants in the chance he may find contraband. No doubt this was lost of the ethics department who saw only something designed for the male gaze that needed to be purged.
>>738713889Make her squirt!
>>738711841shes sixteen
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>>738725641I felt the same but bought it anyway. I always hate open world stuff and feel it does nothing but make the game worse but I really liked remake.
