>no Troy Baker as Sam>no Nadine>no flashback levels as kid Drake>no cringey epilogue>cool flashback as a playable Henry Avery>described as a detective story in a pirate setting>cool selection of vehicles>more melee and stealth focused https://youtu.be/qJ7RN3wBr94?is=4qkwKBvsQLWYPIOsEverything about Amy's version of the game with the possible exception of less gunplay sounds much better than the thing we got in the end. What a shame.
>>738713549The flashbacks and the house sections at the beginning keep me from replaying this. Seriously why do devs bother with these fucking sections?
>more melee and stealth focusedWe dodged a bullet. Uncharted 3 had crappy melee.
>>738713549Less gunplay would have been great since is super generic and boring apparently she wanted to evolve uncharted but the kike got in the way and ruined everything
sorry but not playing this until the release the first 3 games on PC
>>738713691Because Neil Druckmann. Since this guy took over Naughty Dog games have become so unnecessarily bloated which sucks for replaying. Same thing with all the stupid flashbacks in TLoU 2.
>>738713691>Seriously why do devs bother with these fucking sections?It's how these fucking jews make their games look like "art," which is why all games, regardless of genre, have sections where you just walk slowly and talk journalists love that
Nadine and Sam were the worst aspects of the game so not including them would've been a great addition, Rafe was the only good newcomer. Would her version of had monsters at the end? I was hoping for pirate ghosts or something but got blueballed hard.
>>738713549She created the whole problem with young Drake by dropping all those reveals that went nowhere about Drake not being who he says he is in Uncharted 3. You’re telling me she intended not to address that in her version of 4? That’s not good.Also she wanted it be more of a fucking movie game walking sim than Uncharted 4 is already today. No thanks. Sounds awful actually.
>>738713691>>738713879Thanks to tlou 1 for ruining gaming forever
>>738713549>Everything about Amy's version of the game with the possible exception of less gunplay sounds much better than the thing we got in the end. What a shame.The game we got was more of a "bleeding edge" experience thanks to Neil and Bruce, but their "ambition" to make this the final game and try to wrap up everything like something that's bigger than a simple series of easygoing sequels didn't land as well as Amy simply making a "4th" game would've.You can tell by the uncovered content that the Island being flooded with Drake stranded is this game's "Desert" sequence and the whole game was basically like Uncharted 3 "But Pirate themed". It would probably end with Sam Drake going the way of Marlowe after their sword duel, but reconciling with Drake like "Brother.... do you forgive me?" but ultimately he's little more than the Crunch Bandicoot of the Nathan Drake series, because it's the 4th game.And I like that so much better than Neil Druckmann treating him as an OC Mary Sue who had to show up in Lost Legacy like a "main cast" guy, as if he had anywhere near the charisma of Drake. But it's because it's Troy Baker, and Nadine was Laura Bailey, and Neil Druckmann partook in that entire California crony scene.
Sometimes I love this place and you guys. At least here people actually possess some critial thinking skills and rightfully see that Amy was actually the heart of the studio and the franchise. Since Druckmann took over all the games have this self-important aura about them.
>>738713932>I was hoping for pirate ghosts or something but got blueballed hard.We all expected that, but thanks to that jew, uncharted is now just another generic third-person shooter series with serious moments because now it's art.
>>738713932In the video it is mentioned that some descendants of the pirates living on the island were planned. Sounded like a supernatural element.
>>738714029He made it bad on purpose his goal is to sabotage Amy and ruin her legacy. Why do you think that since the game came out, news stories (from Neil's friends, by the way) have been speaking ill of Amy and saying that her version was a disaster, and that's why he had to intervene with his jewish magic?
>>738713932Yes. The entire pirate crew you discovered would come back as "undead" wearing masks, according to some concept art. Way better than the island just being "Booby trapped".I also really fucking like that Elena would've just been your sidekick for 90% of the game, to continue off of 3 having them committed and being in sync with each other to trust going on another adventure, instead of the sort of inauthentic attempt at Nate lying and her having a "WHO ARE YOU?" moment that she regrets and comes back to save you later.I replayed the game last year and I really noticed the downgrade in acting direction. Neil Druckmann alienated Gordon Hunt so he quit on him during The Last of Us, because Neil couldn't get him to direct it in the tone he was imagining, so he couldn't work on Uncharted 4 because Gordon didn't like him or something, but Neil had just proven he could be director/writer/acting-director on TLOU so Evan Wells (company head) probably felt they would get a better video game by resolving the situation by getting rid of Amy and Gordon on Uncharted 4 and just letting Neil do it, since Neil was already in a feud with Amy over her direction being too basic for a project that was falling behind schedule.
>>738714056Many retards here don't know the kike's tricks
>>738714203Easy for them to do since she's under NDA not to talk about what happened when she was fired, and them not having that, so they just get to say "it was terrible" and high five Mitch Dyer from IGN for agreeing to retract his statement about how they forced her out.
>Supposedly the director of another project at the time played the demo of Amy's U4 and just said: "This game sucks" in front of Amy and her very small team.You just know this was Neil 100%. First he took away more and more resources from Amy's team where she basically had to work with a skeleton crew and then he shat all over the work done.
>>738714271Yeah. It's the only difference between /pol/ and /v/ that makes me roll my eyes at /v/.Not realizing just how many bad things that have happened to this industry in the past 15 years because of kikery is...
>>738713549It's amazing how you'll believe anything some random person says as long as they speak semi confidently and upload it to youtube
>>738714271I know Neil is an easy target on here because he's Jewish. I don't think it matters, I just really think Neil is a bad manager of people and a narcissist. Just look at all the people that left the studio after U4 and TLoU 2.
>cliche le unknown brother is EVIL twistamy hennig's version sounds like garbage. Druckmann at least did something UNIQUE and didnt have the long lost brother be the bad guy and had no resebtment towards Nathan
>>738714492Enlighten us then. What actually went down at ND during the development of U4?
>>738714345100% him, or Bruce. They were insufferable after their high of TLOU and it was sorta like a TLOU Mafia from what I hear, because everyone on that team had GOTY-aura, and infinite self-confidence, and Uncharted 3 being not as good as 2 fed that ammunition.Also Amy made the same "mistake" lots of Lead Game Writers make, of actually just being a writer in a game studio, by giving herself her own office, which is full of literature and research and notes everywhere in paper scrawls, and doesn't wanna be disturbed and goes like "Huh? What do you want with me?" when employees come with inquiries.That made some ND folks hate working with her I think, but that's how most good writers are. They're egotistical and lowkey insufferable about their "art", but it's how you make good stories. Neil being a gamedev first and writer second, made him rub elbows with more people at the company and an easy "Golden Boy" for the company heads.Colin Morirarty from IGN/Kinda Funny/Last Stand did a reporting on ND, visiting them during TLOU where he claims he got to enter Amy's office and saw her wall of Uncharted 4's entire level timeline, and she told him "You can't talk about this to anyone, not even the other ones here with you." so he was one of the first to point out how the story retained pieces of, but were strangely different from her version when the game dropped.He was favorable of Neil Druckmann, but he actually complained about the writing of U4, because Sully isn't prominent enough and Sam Drake was an uninteresting character in Neil's writing.https://youtu.be/4SBiXl0sR-Q&t=1044
I enjoyed UC4 and both TLOU. I'm still mad that Disney cancelled 1313.
>>738714286One day we're going to hear her side of the story, that's why they're still continuing their smear campaign>>738714494Of course, the fact that he's a kike has nothing to do with it, just a mere coincidence, as always.
>>738714530No idea, but I certainly won't be taking whatever crap OP and his youtube video is spewing as gospel since it's assuredly a mix of hearsay and bullshit. I'm sure you could ask the relevant people for an off the record answer. Maybe find some coders who left ND during that period and ask them privately for self satisfaction.
>>738714557Yeah no shit U3 wasn't as good. I replayed the games not too long ago and you can clearly tell how much shit they had to cut. The story just feels completely stitched together. But how is that surprising when half the studio at the time was working on TLoU?
>>738714519>amy hennig's version sounds like garbage. Druckmann at least did something UNIQUE and didnt have the long lost brother be the bad guy and had no resebtment towards NathanNaaaww.Neil Druckmann did react to the "cliche" nature of Sam in Amy's writing I think, but what Neil did with the character was moronic.He took a clear archetype, and turned him into a Gary Stu, an unwanted "not-Drake" who the narrative actually thinks is on par with Drake in likeability and staying power, and you have to put up with that, just because he overestimated Troy Baker's power as a fan-favorite actor, onto the character he was recasting.He wasn't "evil" in Amy's version, but he was a more thuggy version of Drake, who loves his brother but turns "evil" after believing Drake left him to die in their treasure hunt, so they're made to turn on each other by the machinations of Rafe, until the end where he has like a Darth Vader moment and helps you kill Rafe (but probably dies)But yeah it was just gonna be yet another Uncharted, which... is what I think many would've liked. "A Thief's End" was only something Neil Druckmann wanted to do, and the game was not going to end on Drake having settled with family in a timeskip I don't think.
>Nathan motherfucking Drake suddenly loses all of his experience and fighting skills when faced with the live, laugh, love aura of a stunning and brave powerful woman
I liked UC4's gameplay, but it was one of the most boring games I've ever played.Instead of going around shooting people and doing puzzles, most of the time you are just climbing on rocks while listening to characters yapping.
>>738714672The video linked makes very little speculation about what happened at ND. It's more a detailed collection of the early version that was unseen before.
>>738714736nah. the resentment makes no sense because no reasonable person would blame Nathan for not looking for him. Of course he thought Sam was dead.
>>738714716I'm still impressed they managed to make a game that good, and still better than Uncharted 2 in a few ways, without all the major talent in the team. They still made a really good game, and there are locations and things they do in 3 that makes it my favorite of the bunch. I particularly like just Amy's writing raising the stakes with the main relationships. The whole "Why are we doing this Nate?" thing feels a bit forced/cringe, but upon revisiting it, I found that there's a lot of great subtext in the writing, if you look at it from that lens and I think there's a lot of "writer-things" that Amy does that I think are more clean and skillful than anything Neil has ever done.Like, TLOU was impressive at the time because Gaming strayed from that kind of "emotional realism" in AAA, but you're left with a game that feels boringly close to all the other gritty modernistic TV series, but Uncharted was a skillful take on a genre that had basically died in film. And honestly the writing made me cringe when I replayed TLOU. The script itself is very very basic.
>>738714753I remember my first playthrough 10 years ago still very vividly. I was shouting at the game to give me more action and / or any challenging platforming sections. Since then I replayed it a couple of times and enjoyed it more but seriously what were they thinking with all the 'press stick up to climb while listening to banter'
>>738714814We're talking about an entirely different character, who has the mind of a criminal. Her version of Sam was the kind of older brother who you love, but he's got less intelligence or patience than you do, and gets himself in trouble over it.Her sam is someone who has almost no morals, and lives by thug life, and Drake having never talked about him, because they went seperate paths. Then when they interact again, those nasty sides of him come back after he's made to think that Drake is leaving him to die over his treasure hunt, which then probably would've fed into the "why did you leave me behind" from their childhood, and then a reconcilliation.There was nothing wrong with the impetus of Amy's version of Sam, and Neil Druckmann's rewrite is flat and boring, where he's just a macguffin that "tempts" Drake back on adventure, just so he can become a buddy character, and even the epilogue treats him like some kind of "iconic new member" when he really hasn't earned it through writing.
I'm absolutely sure Amy's U4 would have been so much better than what we got and wouldn't have had such a boring opening. The release version of U4 has like 3 openings. The game doesn't really start until the Italy level. That has always been one of my gripes with the game.
>>738715453I think this is precisely it. Amy's U4 would've just been an "Uncharted 4". Quick pace, fun shenanigans, satisfying but slightly clichéd story.As always.But it isn't the Neil Druckman "Novel sized" thing, and ultimately his Uncharted 4 isn't near as substantial as The Last of Us from a thematic POV. The whole backstory with the orphanage and then the "Nathan Drake Grandmom" kinda sucked.
Amy’s version was more open world detective story where you would’ve had to do “investigations” like the level in the graveyard. Basically it was a more grounded take on uncharted with more last of us style gameplay. It got rightfully canned because it was boring and aimless and didn’t feel like uncharted. You can still see bits and pieces of her version in the final game.
>>738715672I don't see how the release version has a less clichéd story. It even features the infmaous JK Rowling ending of "All was well."
>>738714345>>738714557It was Bruce, any interview with him he talks about gameplay. Swapping Uncharted to a melee-focused game because of online discussion about Nate being a mass murderer is retarded
>>738713549Kinda disappointed it wasn't super dark at the end the marketing made me think he's gonna die at the end
>>738714736>on parDoesn't solve any puzzles or has leads of his own, so much he had to leave Rafe to and try to wheel Nate back in to solve it. The game makes it clear Nate is well above Rafe and Sam and they need him, and Nate needs the adventure/adrenaline junkie aspect.>>738714952The climbing isn't really different from past Uncharted games. I can't think of an actual platformer section in all 4 games because in my mind these games are really straightforward can't fuck up. You are more likely to die trying to do fun combat shit on Crushing than fall.
>>738713549Just started the video and already prefer the original story due to the fact that there's no forced conflict between Nate and Elena. The third game already had a separation and ended with them getting back together, that's all the relationship drama I want, should have been happy ever after in the sequel.
>>738716919While that is true, the previous games had a much better mix of shooting and climbing and solving puzzles. Neil's bloat had a lot more walking sections and extended climbing that was much shorter before. Also the older games had much more shooting.The only time U4 had a kind of more challenging platforming was at the very end when you have to use the rope to time your jumps when you have to get to the hidden ship.
I think both games director had their faults. Obviously Henning's take, while potentially interesting, did not fit what people and the studio wanted out of this next entry. I still think I would have rather played that one.Kikemann's game is okay as an idea of an uncharted game but it takes the 'game dev is trying to make a hollywood movie' approach to an absurd degree (the flashbacks, the whole epilogue, the forced character drama, walk and talk, etc...). I still like scotland, the jeep, and some of the fake gameplay scripted set pieces are impressive.Does anyone have the screenshot of that interview of the Uncharted movie director (crap movie but the director has solid credentials) calling Druckmann a fuckface and how he much prefered Henning?Final note I didn't like how the whole game teased a Sam&Sully DLC is Brazil and instead we got Nadine and jeet Chloe in jeet land.
>>738717408>Kikemann's game is okay as an idea of an uncharted game but it takes the 'game dev is trying to make a hollywood movie' approachI still feel like the Uncharted 4 was trying too hard to be grounded and "mature". In the Madagascar sequence you're explore around a volcano. I was expecting this chapter to end with a setpiece where the volcano is erupting and you're jumping around collapsing platforms, avoiding the flow of lava while fighting enemies, something Uncharted 2 and 3 certainly would've done. Instead you get a boring "grounded mature" jeep chase setpiece. Wow, riveting. Less said about the absence of supernatural monsters the better.
>>738717408U4 also only had 2 years to reboot into what it currently is
Kind of ironic they didn't like the more open ended nature of the level design in Amy's version but they included one on Lost Legacy when you have to find and activate the towers in India which ended up quite boring with a lot of downtime between the objectives.
>>738717408>Does anyone have the screenshot of that interview of the Uncharted movie director (crap movie but the director has solid credentials) calling Druckmann a fuckface and how he much prefered HenningIs that even real, because the only thing google has is wanting to do the car chase scene from U4
>>738713990>blaming TLoU for a problem that started in Uncharted 3
>>738717762Uncharted 2 would not have done that shit at all.3 really damaged people's perception of what this series is like, when you play all the games back to back the levels of cataclysmic destruction that Drake lives through in that game is insanely ridiculous.2 really does not have anything like that outside of the train crash, which it already plays off as insane.
>>738718634>the helicopter chase in Nepal>the tank battle in the village>the crumbling city at the endDid we play the same game?
>>738713796uc4 has really nice gunplay.
>>738713549Uncharted 2 was perfect. People wanted more of the same but developers, movie makers, etc NEVER understand this and always try to innovate, ending up making things worse in most cases, and even when things go incredibly well (Resident Evil 4) many fans are disappointed because they wanted more of the same
>>738718727Yeah and you really wanna compare that to surviving the burning of an entire chateau which at several points looks like you're jumping over a gaping hole into hell, or blowing up several historical monuments in Syria, or somehow surviving a tidal wave that conveniently lands him on a boat that allows him to not get stranded at sea, or surviving the sinking of a giant cruise ship (which he had to outrun a huge stream of pressurized water to manage), or surviving a literal plane crash and improvised freefall, or surviving a WEEK in the desert with no food or water and a subsequent shootout.Like do you really think being chased around by a tank in a labyrinthian mountain village or fighting off a chopper with some rocket launchers is comparable here?
>>738718727Replace the helicopter with the armored car, and 2 of those happen in U4. The entire ending section the city is falling apart around them
>>738713549One of the worst things they did was make them 'steal' the Drake name as kids instead of simply inheriting it for real. Why? What reason was there to change that right at the end of the quadrilogy? All it serves to do is make them less cool because now they're nobodies instead of having a relation to a famous pirate and explorer.
>>738713949She wrote the story for Battlefield Hardline; she's not a good writer, she just got lucky with various story beats in her career.
>>738719024lol I always forget about the cruise ship level in U3. Probably because it is in mo way connected to the main plot. Well, that's the thing with action films. Each sequel is expected to be bigger and crazier than before. But I'd still say that U2 had plenty of insane moments already that turned everyday man Drake into Die Hard 4 John McClane. Just replay the chapter in the village with the tank for example. The whole place is under siege and looks like WW2 Stalingrad at the end.
>>738719304I like it. The whole idea is them beginning anew, not as Nathan and Sam Morgan but picking their own pathExcept I'd like it even more if they were just orphanage "brothers" and not like actual fucking brothers because it atleast makes the last minute brother shit a little more bearable. >>738719396>luckyNah. Its more unlucky that she hasn't been able to get a project off the ground and at best its going to be a lame ass Marvel game with Cap and Black Panther
>>738719396Imagine your baby gets taken away from you and you have to quickly find work again. I would have phoned it in as well.
>>738719304Did you not play Uncharted 3?The only thing 4 adds to this is give a justifiable reason for him changing his name rather than it just being a coping mechanism for being abandoned by his dad.
>>738719024>surviving a WEEK in the desert with no food or waterall the things you listed were kinda too much but at least they were cool. This was just stupid, it immediately broke immersion. Also what was even the point? They could have done that he was in the desert with some resources and found the city like a day later. Weird choice.
>>738714753That's why I enjoyed the Lost Legacy far more than I thought I would. Nadine is in it yes, but far less annoying and the game focuses far more on Chloe, a good character.The game is shorter, but more varied in environments, so it's over before you get bored. Same goes for gameplay, cutscenes and dialogue. Everything felt snappier and didn't drag purely because the game wasn't bloated with extras while having the smoother gameplay and visuals of U4.It's shocking it wasn't more girlbossy too considering two female protags, but for 98% of the game they're just treated as normal humans. I'm pretty sure druck wasn't involved heavily with development either.
>>738719532I don't think Neil had anything to do with it considering he was super busy with TLoU2. The directors were Kurt Margenau and Shaun Escayg.
>>738719532Lost Legacy is way worse. It's so self-indulgent with those bullshit walkie talkie segments. The first half is literally you driving around an empty semi-open world and occasionally solving brainless puzzles. Although I liked Chloe in 2, I didn't care for her here especially when she won't stop going on and on about her Indian heritage. And they ruined Sam's character by turning him into a total goofball in a misguided attempt to make Chloe and Nadine seem cooler.
>>738719695Probably why I enjoyed it far more then. I bought U4 and Legacy at the same time because of some deal and after the disappointment of U4 I really wasn't looking forward to it at all, but it really impressed me considering what it was. The only walking segment is a short five minute stage-setter at the start, which is a sharp contrast to all the shitty stealth flashbacks in U4.
>>738713549My only real issues with this game's story is that I never fully bought into Sam as a character (which fucking sucks when he's the deuteragonist) and I think they didn't really establish Rafe's beef with Nate properly until the last second.It would have been cool if his resentment to Nate's success had shown more throughout the game, but for the most part it feels like he has a bigger issue with Sam and Nate's just along for the ride.
>>738719756I can see why you say that but I have to respectfully disagree that it's worse than U4. Comparatively, the U4 story drags, it's a chore to get through, the action sequences are worse and the the Drake brothers are less engaging. I came into U1 and U2 because of the promise of a modern Indiana Jones style adventure; I don't need another reluctant hero which is what Drake becomes. Chloe, for better or worse, reflects a more adventurous, early series Nathan. She retains the joking, cocky attitude and makes the experience fun. I hate Nadine as much as the next guy, but anyone can admit she's still 100x more tolerable in LL than she is in U4.
>>738719756>It's so self-indulgent with those bullshit walkie talkie segments. The first half is literally you driving around an empty semi-open world and occasionally solving brainless puzzles.That's literally what happens for 90% of the African part of U4 except it's way more drawn out and sparse. The LL sequence doesn't last more than an hour taking it slow.
>>738720049>I don't need another reluctant hero which is what Drake becomes.That is what Drake is in every Uncharted game. Don't use AI to write your replies. It's embarrassing.
>>738719821I can't say I enjoyed LL all that much. Only played it once though. The Western Ghats level was pretty boring and killed the pacing. You always knew when you find another fort it would either have enemies waiting for you or they would attack afterwards. And then ND included this exact kind of level again in TLoU2 in Seattle Day 1. While it also killed momentum I think it worked better there because TLoU is overall slower paced.I don't really remember much of the rest of LL except for the finale which was arguably one of the best setpieces of the entire series.
>>738720049>I don't need another reluctant hero which is what Drake becomes.Did we play the same game?https://youtu.be/MhEjWhEpgdU?t=95
>>738720176I didn't say Uncharted 4 is good at this. But that fact is actually all the more reason Lost Legacy is so annoying. I was already sick of driving the jeep in the main game, rehashing the same boring idea in the DLC makes it worse. And it takes a whole lot more than an hour to clear the open world segment.
>>738720191Uncharted 1 is literally him excited to find Drake's lost treasure to the point he lets a reporter record him doing it, Golden Abyss has him trying to find gold and archaeological fame and In Uncharted 2 he isn't very reluctant to rob a museum with other thieves either. Before YOU reply try actually playing the series you have such a strong opinion about.
>>738720202I thought it was better and more fun purely because it cut out the chaff that made U4 lose its pacing and giving you a more likeable main character instead of the slower, less cocky Drake from U4 compared to the original trilogy.The scenery is prettier (though that's subjective, Libertalia still looked fine) and the reason the final stage of LL was so good was because it was a 'remake' of the already amazing train segment from U2 using superior technology and higher stakes.
>>738720398Oh my god you actually never played these games.Drake is ready to leave all the treasure behind in UC1 right at the start after reuniting with Elena when he realizes the island is full of people that want to kill them, Elena has to be the one to trick him into keeping the search going.In UC2 he's ready to give everything up after the train crash and once again Elena has to be the one that convinces him to keep going (that and the fact that the fate of the world is literally at stake)UC4 is probably the most excited he's ever been to go on a treasure hunt in any of the games, he's so excited that it's the entire reason the rift between him and Elena happens in the first place.
>>738720398You're an idiot that can't think for yourself. You don't even deserve a reply, but just to correct the record. In Uncharted 1 Drake wanted to bail when he thought Sully was dead and it was Elena that guilt tripped him into pushing on. In Uncharted 2 he gave up on treasure hunting after the train wreckage and it's Schafer that convinces him to stop Lazarevic.
