How are they going to ruin it?
Personally I refuse to engage in what is the corporate equivalent of vagueposting. Give me a hard confirmation that you're doing something and I will show interest, blizzard.
>>738716868Leaving racials unchanged
>>738716937It's already confirmed this blizcon
>>738717221Oh really that's cool. Mind linking me the announcement on blizzard.com
>>738716868The changes will be made to pander streamers.
Needs more midgame content so there are more ways to get to 60.Will probably focus on early and late game instead
I would ask you how much money your wasting living in LA but that would be incorrect, considering you're an outsourced jeet working for pennies anyway.
>>738717280Not spoonfeeding you lol, you are just going to naysay anyway so..
>classic plus
>>738718140You can't spoonfeed what you don't have dipshit. Before i made that post I doublechecked that it's all just vagueposting of rumors of insiders mentioning secrets maybe teehee. I don't care. I'm not retarded enough to get caught up in another cringe-ass hypetrain.
>>738716868Wow token.Cash shop mounts and pets.Transmog inclusion.Retail abilities.
>Kronos V released 3 days ago>It floppedThere is no demand for Classic and Classic Era is doing just fine. If someone wants Classic Plus it means they want WoTLK without Death Knights.
>>738718326KronosV was classic without even a sniff of plus man. There is interest in a classic+, but fuck playing a 20 year old game I've played dozens of times already.
>>738718237wow token and cash shop shit absolutelythey're probably furious they didn't add it to classic originally and now they can't do it because it would be met with animosity
>>738718387Classic+ is the same as playing 20 year old game, Anon.You want WoTLK.
>>738718326>Kronos VIs that true that they're forgot to turn off GM commands for players?
What even is classic+?
>>738718523>Run a private server on 1.12 than perfect client 3.3.5a>Fix everything with ChatGPT>Refuse to report population to protect Chinese bots who sell gold and pay their admins' salariesBlizzard isn't good either.
>>738718571Classic+ is 1-60 levelling experience with>WoTLK talent system>WoTLK class specs>WoTLK Client 3.3.5a>No Death KnightsAlso a cosmetic shop.
>>738716868it will be made by blizzard, that's already enough to ruin it. but i bet they put retail shit in it
>>738718571a platform they can use to expand classic and make more money from players who can't stand retailit will inevitably be dogshit
>>738718684>WoTLK talent system>WoTLK class specs>WoTLK Client 3.3.5anothing wrong with this
>>738716868Their biggest sin was not releasing it years ago, and now everyone has already found their forever server.
>>738718741Then why don't you wait WoTLK Annniversary or play it on Warmane then for free?
>>738718758>P2Wmanealso warmane "leveling" is just LFD spam
>>738718796>P2WmaneGo to Lordaeron bro>LFD spamYou can put XP rate to 0,5 if you want even on Icrecrown.
>>738718326Kind of true. WOTLK is when the game went baby mode easy and every tank class was unkillable and could hold AOE aggro like it was nothing.Most people think they want classic but they don't actually.
>>738718956People dont want classic.People want to go back to 2004 when they were highschoolers and internet/WoW was new and fresh.
Naxx 10/25 in WOTLK was a travesty.Thank God Turtlewow is dead at least, those faggots playing on a massively modded power crept custom server actually thought they were good players.Ret paladins were the number one PVE DPS.Fucking ret pallies. Yea, real fucking "classic" that.
>>738719015Yea I wanna go back. Being in my 40s is rough bros. My 20s were full of hope and energy and possibility.
>>738719037>top PVE DPS is brown>okay>top PVE DPS is pink>not okay
>>738719064Hit the gym retard.
>>738718326superb bait
>>738719167>hitting the gym will somehow revert internet into its 00's state
Simple.Gay leftist things and monetization. Garrosh? Gay and it's revealed his whole reason for getting pissy is because he was rejected by ThrallNefarian? Gay and black.Whitemane? Trans Woman.Tauren are just there, because just like in real life no one gives a fuck beyond lip service about the plains niggers.Player Housing, with premium decor that can be bought off the shop.Mounts from the shop.More trying to tie in the retail story line. Aka Xalatath will show up. Alliance will continue to be feckless carebears.
>>738719091You've got me there. Top melee DPS should be yellow.
>>738718326>>738718956>you think you do but you don't in ano domminiking of retards
>>738719383nah man this 60 rogue ganked me in redridge we must nerf them into the ground
>>738716868It's Classic, so it's ruined on the outset by having terrible mechanics and a playerbase filled with narcissistic personality cults.
>>738719015I was in college when wow came out. I'm so sick of disingenuous faggots saying shit like this. The reason I want to play classic WoW is because it's a better game that Retoilet. Shriple as that.
>>738719575>The reason I want to play classic WoW is because it's a better game that Retoilet.Its still a bad game, especially in 2026 "completely solved" state.
>>738716868lazy ai generation, they didn't even bother make sure the world behind "world" was there
>>738719468Literally what happened on twow where rogues were trash and paladins the kings of everything.
>>738718571it's warcraft vanilla but more focus on expanding horizontally like how it is in osrs. compared to current retail where you finish a campaign and then go into the next expansion story with basically a new world
>>738720085>expanding horizontallyWoW is ultimately about vertical progression. There's no point in "horizontal progression" when you will outlevel said progression in couple hours.
>>738720239you only think that because that's all they've ever done. you can easily come up with ideas to expand horizontally. like slow leveling and improve weapon/armor variety to better deal with various enemies. make it so the new areas aren't accessible only by portal. revamp skill system and ways to interact with enviroment to be more like runescape
>>738720827>like slow leveling and improve weapon/armor variety to better deal with various enemiesIll just find the most optimal gear for max exp/hour.Checkmate, casual.
>>738716868Improving the actual bad parts of vanilla (and really wow in general), reputations/professions/having any actual rpg elements when it comes to choosing the story. Also if they somehow managed to connect outland and northrend to the vanilla world it would be pretty cool. I honestly think they need to go the runescape route and make the journey take even longer and have a bunch of grinds and what not on the way. You want people in the world. But knowing blizzard they're just going to add more raids/dungeons and give classes qol so everything is viable in a raiding environment or add in some garbage systems at max level for people to endlessly do.
>>738718326>KronosGL playing as Alliance race.https://youtu.be/ctn-tKXx4Sw
>>738717507Remove the exp/reputation penalty on low level quests and it would largely solve many issues.
>>738719545After seeing people react to everquest's new stuff, I think the answer really is as simple as blizzard would have to kill their playerbase and then themselves to fix wow.
>>738716868Same way they ruined Season of Discovery. They'll lure everyone in with all of the fun shit at the start and then slowly (or in some cases quickly) turn everything to shit with each patch/phase.
theyre going to add minimal changes to please tbc fags and not add actual vanilla-themed content>paladins on horde>shamans on alliance>add flying because god forbid engaging with the world>probably gonna add blood elves too because anyone that still plays blizzard games are cum slurping faggots that want to play a twink
>>738716868There is nothing to fix in the first place. That's the issue. That's like remaking or adding stuff to David by Michelangelo. You can't.
>>738725126Blizzard admitted that flying was a mistake; they wouldn't add it a second time.
>>738716868Why not just play on BBC+? It's guaranteed better than whatever crap blizzard will release.
>>738716868You don't gotta worry about Blizzard ruining it because the community will do that for them>everyone buying the pre-order 40$ hype mount that won't fit the classic era graphics>everyone buying boosts>everyone speedrunning>everyone requiring logs to do anything>general channel nothing but boost and logs required to join SPAM>everyone buying and using paid addons to show players log numbers and ALLSTAR POINTS just hovering the mouse over the player>classic with no mechanics somehow someway more gatekpt then retail and retail is a fucking e-sport
>the same company who made solid games like diablo and warcraft 3 thought powerful gear should require 20 hours of grinding per day
if blizzard was able to improve upon the original world of warcraft they wouldnt have made world of warcraft what it is today
>>73872646895% of WoW's DNA comes directly from Diablo 2.
>>738718237>Retail abilities.They already did that with SoD, so it's very likely that this will happen.The rest are 100% guaranteed.
>>738725937Its sort of funny how this is inevitable due to the cancerous direction the community has formed into, completely separate from how woke and talentless Blizzard themselves are.
Please, fire mage is so much fun
>>738730207>be only warlock in MC>"accidentally" forget to apply CoEBeg me for it. On your knees.
>>738718571I want WOTLK with the new continents added after.
>>738716868same way they always do, they let fans make the rules
>>738718571The good ending of Wrath where Arthas wins.
>>738726468It should casual.
>>738716868>How are they going to ruin it?The people who made the last 3 expansions will be the same people making this plus expansion, there's absolutely no way they'll stop being talentless hacks who don't know how to manage an online game.
>>738716868very easilyfor classic+ to be successful in the long term, you'd have to redesign the entire core progression of the game, otherwise you're infinitely power scaling on an MMO that's built to be entirely vertical and reset every 2 years, just adding 'more' and doing some balancing isn't going to cut itand this is modern blizzard; they don't have ideas, ambition, drive, or likely even the budgetyou'd basically need to runescapeify it to be long-term successful, in that everything takes 10x longer, all professions feed into every facet of the game and there's more than just vertical progressionthey're not gonna do that
After the train wreck that was SOD i certainly don't want nu-Blizz even attempting a Classic+
>>738716868SoD was the best version of WoW that has ever existed.So I think Classic+ is gonna be great
>>738731691>in that everything takes 10x longerand then it only gets played a small community of obsessive neetsGrinding for months for small progression is bad design
>>738718326Wrath with no dks, no flying, no vehicle combat, no dungeon finder, no race/class/mount changes would go hard tho
>>738718474>animositylolwowfags are lifers, they'll happily play and pay no matter what blizzard does
>>738716868>you think you don't want modern changes, but you do>0-60 in a day>paid 60s>FPs faster>arena>competitive pve>transmog>overhauled rotations>homogenization>no world bosses>world pvp discouragedetc etc
>>738719015for me? i just want to play with people who live in my country like i used to and not with a horde of undesirable browns from indonesia
>>738725937Forgetting>GDKP
>>738716868The fact that I'd have to pay blizzard money to play it makes it inherently ruined
>>738725937Maybe you should just be better at the fucking game.>he doesn't have a 99 parse on every raid boss during their active raid tierYNGMI
>>738718474They added it in Wrath they will absolutely add it here. Tokens are just Blizzard sanctioned gold buying and they never gave a shit about gold buying in classic anyway
>>738732832I've never understood this parse thing. I've had plenty of times I'd be among the top DPS/DD and never died during a fight and still only fallen in the green range
>>738733216Your group was shit
>>738733216Because other players of your same class did a lot more DPS than you.If you're Green parsing, 50% of players playing your class performed better.A full raid of green parsers can be a smooth raid, but other players did it faster and easier.
>>738716868Yep, just like they turned SoD into a retail piece of shit timegated content.This will be retail, too. And you'll love it.
>>738719015I want to go back to 2015 and play Nost again>nostalrius was halfway between actual vanilla and nowFUCK
>>738733457So basically it's not 'git gud' but 'git better'?
>>738733216kill time has the most to do with %, also your engagement time if you're waiting for 5 sunders or whatever.
>>738733607Nah, you still suck
>>738716868They don’t need to ruin it, the community will do that.
>>738733216You don't need to understand it. It's for retarded minmaxers who ruined the game.For a game people played on a toaster, 20 years ago with an average of 200ms latency. A game where everything is known today, or would be datamined.
>>738733607Yes.However, if your class is cooldown based for its DPS, your parse cannot be as good unless you play with other good players.Better players = faster boss kills = more % uptime of your big DPS cooldowns during the boss fightOnce Bloodlust is in the game, you will not have good parses without playing with other good players for the same reason stated as above.
>>738733754It's not about how difficult the game is bud.It's about how well you stack up vs other players.High parses are statistically better players that have numbers to back it up.
>current year +11>still giving blizzard money
>>738733754This. All who gives a shit about parsing are tryhard sweatlords. That being said anybody getting carried doesn't deserve any loot/a raid spot
here's how you save classicgive an online and "offline" experiencethe offline experience has bots all over the overworld questing, who will immediately accept my invite and kill mobs and dungeon with me like in erenshorthem if I ever want to play with people l can seamlessly switch to a shard with players instead of bots your guild and groups can have dedicated shards filled with overworld bots
>>738733754Funny we started with "link GS and chiev or no invite" and ended up here
>>738733840Parses in vanilla are rng and cheese at the high end and is entirely group dependentyou can put the #1 parser with a bunch of dads, and he will no longer be #1 by a mile vanilla is so simple the tippy tops are who crit more
Not this fucking paid shill thread again.If blizzard knew how to fix the game they would fix retail. Instead they even managed to fuck up Classic with paid items and layershit. It was literally as simple as copying the fucking original game and they couldn't even manage that without shitting the bed.Now stop making these garbage threads and get a real job.
WILL check logs
>>738734143>unsocial mmo experienceI bet this guy is younger than 30
>>738716868By being Blizzard?
>>738734332>vanilla is so simple the tippy tops are who crit moreYou don't need that for top 1% percentile.The RNG and actual tryharding only happens when you're going for top 50 on the ranking leaderboard.You can absolutely parse 99 without being a tryhard, but you won't top ranking without doing sot. 99 parsing Warlock never put in tryhard effort
>>738733754and barely any of those retard boomers got beyond Vael in BWL
>>738734405>logs online once a week for an hour to clear the raid>joins discord to hear the rl say pullthis is the average classic player
>>738733216Parses aren't just based on your personal performance vs others of your class, they're also based on group performance. You can be top damage in your raid but if your kill time is 10 minutes instead of 5 minutes it'll hurt your parse. Those who parse higher also likely have their groups properly built around supporting their damage. Even if you have a perfect rotation/consume usage, if your group in the raid doesn't compliment your class you'll parse worse.
>>738734405I play classic and I'm very antisocial in how I play it.I'm 39
>>738734572that's true but the majority of the raid still needs to be good enough to kill the boss in a reasonable timeframe
>>738716868they can't even ship a retail update without game breaking bugs, and that's their flagship productany attempts at classic+ will be retail-lite with terrible bugs and poor yo-yo balancing
Anyone have that lengthy "leak" of changes they're making that some schizo over on /vg/ posted?
>>738725937You are listing things as though they were somehow bad. >>738732701Been banned ever since Season of Discovery on new launches/versions of wow
wow is a dog shit gameI put up with raidlogging the entirety of classic just to finally kill KT for the experienceworld buffs and consumables basically make gear negligible unless you care about being the top damage in your raidif you're a tank or healer you can't even experience the joy of that
>>738735096I miss GDKP so bad.I made all my money just going to them as a carry DPSFarming gold is boring as fuck, let me just raid for a quick 1000 a week in my pocket.
>>738734343>It was literally as simple as copying the fucking original gameIt wasn’t, time proved Brack right>you think you do, but you don’t
>>738716868the way server populations work wow classic just needs to go on seasonal rotation like a path of exile league or a runescape league, otherwise in current year its STEAMER SERVER (US) STREAMER SERVER (EU) and the other servers are dead population wise a month after launch
what led to the rise of parsing and pve esports in WoW?
>>738716868If SoD is anything to go by it’ll be Classic but with retail spells and quest design. No thanks.
>>738735176what do you need money for? a raid costs like 20g in consumablesI spent like an hour gathering once and had enough mats for the while raid tiers
>>738734343Look, they'll do differently this time. They'll make the most sovlful classic+ anyone could ever want.By.... inviting the cancer that killed classic by making every remotely social event revolve around them so they could be at the center of attention at all times and be funneled al the loot and gold by their sycophants
>>738718571A split timeline, think of it like what OSRS is to RS3. It takes an old version of the game (Classic WoW), and develops it, adding new content that's in line with the old game design and feeling instead of the new one. I don't play much WoW though, so I can't really say what that'd look like. I'd assume that there wouldn't be the world change that happened with Cataclysm though.
>>738735345>a raid costs like 20g in consumablesFlasks alone were like 100.Flask, Shadow Power, Greater Arcane, Wizard Oil, LiPs, Health/Mana pots, Raid specific protection pots, enchanting new gear every raidEven with raid costs, I saved up like 15000g for when the first TBC classic launched.
>>738734303The same way they made it mandatory to have DBM and other shits addons. Then people decided it wasn't enough and made weakauras to play the game for you.
>kills the largest classic plus private server that had no bots and a decent community just to make their own shit Kill all blizz drones
>>738734650that's because the game wasn't as known as it is today, you've been playing the same game for two decades anon lmaoat least, you better thank blizzard to have created the boon for worldbuffs, this almost killed the game with the elitist minmaxing retarded mentality with people only raidlogging
Only update will be half the bosses are gay or tans.
im having fun in TBC classic.
>>738736129>the game wasn't as knownsounds like a get good moment to me
Blizzard hyper focusing on raids was the biggest mistake they made, the novelty was nice but we barely got any new 5-10 man content after dire maul in vanilla. Which is a damn shame because the low man dungeons were a lot more fun imo.I think a lot of the critisism of classic being 1 button spam lol comes down to the fact that in raid content, against raid bosses and most trash - most classes cannot use 90% of their abilities, compare mage gameplay in any dungeon to any raid for example, and its a lot more dynamic and interesting in your average dungeon run.
>>738718571Been butchered repeatedly, but the essential thing is that nothing is defunct, which is how WoW should have been developed to begin with and would have if Pardo, Kaplan and Chilton hadn't demanded every resource be wasted on turning it into a never-ending PvE raid content-treadmill. Vanilla WoW is also the last time Shaman was good, world-PvP was good, and there was potential if only the game had continued 'horizontal' development like finally making the crafting system, player economy, criminality and honor system in full. What we instead got was the unholy trinity using them to actively sabotage anything but raid-logging.
>>738726476>blizzdrones pretending warcraft was anything but cartoony
>>738737341>Vanilla WoW is also the last time Shaman was goodare you retarded?
>>738717280Go find the midnight roadmap stream.
>>738735180Wrong, because they never did the 'no changes' that people wanted, citing 'reasons' whilst pretending 'no changes, except with reasons' was the same as 'no changes'
>>738737801No changes is impossible because everyone who plays the game knows what to exploit.Game is not playable like that
i will play this
>>738737490It was the last time Shaman was a real hybrid class, but Kaplan hated hybrid classes, so forced Shaman to be a healbot from MC onwards. This was Shaman, which could tank UBRS with a shield just fine, and Kaplan wanted such ideas buried. The class revamp was deliberately botched and then along comes TBC, forcing Shaman to either be a shit Mage, a shit DPS Warrior, or a shit Priest. Shaman then becomes extremely squishy in PvP where it wasn't ever the case before.
>>738716868TokensPower creep (Stronger AOE for every class etc)Focus on end game and little to no new leveling content like Turtle or leveling challengesCatch up gear/events like the incursions in SOD to rush people to end gameStandard MC>BWL>AQ>Naxx timeline for over a year before they get into any new content
>>738737920Seeing as you're wrong, you can't possibly be right.
>>738738058>Shaman then becomes extremely squishy in PvP where it wasn't ever the case before.I can't take your points as anything other than the complaining of a shitter.Shamans are incredible in TBC as melee, and caster support while still doing good damage.They were fucking AMAZING in TBC and Wrath Arena as all 3 specs.
>>738735904>kills the largest classic plus private serverNo they didn't. Ascension is still up.
>>738725126Yeah im expecting Blizzard going for easy low effort wins to maximize profits, undead pally/dwarf shaman would be likely.Im not expecting a crazy amount of new content unless they plan to monetize it.
>>738725126I hope they add Draenei and Blood Elves while also removing the entire concept of "race is tied to faction".Let us pick any race on either faction.
>>738725126>add flying because god forbid engaging with the worldThis will never happen because it would require actual work. Vanilla maps from above have tons of unfinished areas because you where never meant to see them.
>>738738859>Let us pick any race on either faction.You are a faggot. Go back to your gay pride parade in retail.
>>738739015you sound like an incel. more race/class combos is good.
>>738739121Lorefags would lose their mind at that.They need to die off asap
>>738719037Ret pallies performed well but they were not the top dps. in BIS K40 gear Lock, Mage, Warrior, Rogue were better.
>>738717280https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkFMkdZWxdk&t=456sthey have also invited some streamers, classic wow streamers specifically, over. Probably to get their opinions on the likely abomination they have cooked up
>>738739121NTA, but he's right. You sound like a faggot.Go play retoilet and spare us the chance of Blizz ever listening to retards like you.
>>738716868>How are they going to ruin it?Probably by not understanding why people play the game.If I had to put it in one sentence:>The game is meant to be played casual but feel massiveUnderstand that the game is mostly casual focused, not hardcore end game focused.Just picking up and playing should be the fun part, not working hard to get to the fun part.You don't want it to feel like going from Circle A to Circle B to Circle C ect. ect. all the way to Circle Z.But instead you have defined Circles A, B, and C but you make those circles bigger over time.I don't know everything that should be done but some ideas I think would be good are:>Expand on the mid to late game leveling experience by adding in more zones and quests to smooth out the experience instead of having it feel like a grind.>Expand the profession system but make sure they stay in the frame of being useful/impactful by limiting them so each profession is good at specific things to make sure they are all relevant and not dominated by a "best" profession>Reframe from adding too much QOL changes but adding in just enough to smooth out some issues. LFG billboard but not the dungeon finder, keeping in flight paths but not having flying mounts etc. etc.>Keep class identity strong but make sure every class/spec has a niche that's viable but uniquely identifiable.>Gear should be horizontally made instead of just increasing stats. Increasing stats too much just leads to gear arm races. They should have some variations in stats to make specific sets better in specific scenarios but the main benefit to new gear should be for looks/bragging rights, not stat increases.
what kind of mental impairment do you need to have to accuse modern blizzard of ruining world of warcraft and then also turn around and ask them to make THE PROPER spiritual continuation of classic World of Warcraft?
>>738716868This is some sad shit
>>738739549People just want more WoW but with the pace and gameplay of vanilla. Despite what you may think, most people do not give a shit about the inner workings of whatever company makes their video games.
>>738739514people play the game to get high parses and try to have better gear than other players
>>738718571the hypothetical dream game that players whip up in their head that will make them feel how they did with the game when they first started playing.
>>738739640The point is the developmental mentality Blizzard had in the original days of WoW is gone. These are the same people that have made (according to these classic players) "every wrong decision and change possible" since then.
SoD but lighter touch and more horizontal content. Maybe new classes. Definitely WoW token.
Most of what Epoch was doing was the right direction. They just have to continue that but I'm sure they won't be able to
>>738739640>People just want more WoW but with the pace and gameplay of vanilla.Same people who skip all leveling by boosting?
>>738739763the people that made vanilla so good also turned around and released the trashheap that was tbcmost of the time successful ideas are kind of random and only the best of the best seem to be able to repeat it
>>738716868I imagine it'll be classes with the modern talent tree and abilities but old models maybe some abilities stolen from other classes maybe mages get shadowbolt or something and locks get something of magesprobably the same classic content that's been there plus whatever was thrown into SoD like the shitty new dungeonability to turn on or off pvp in any main city plus a pvp talent treewildcard that will never happen: High Elf race at launch. It's just Blood Elf with blue eyes and arcane torrent with a different name
>>738740117tbc was universally an improvement over og wow
>>738740117TBC does everything better than Vanilla.
>>738740160lol
>>738740117That is also true, but I kept that out of the conversation just for the sake of not diverting too far from the original point.My point being the current WoW team cannot make any sort of spiritual followup to classic.Hell, they weren't even able to keep the copypaste job that is regular classic entirely faithful.
>>738739514>The game is meant to be played casual but feel massive>Understand that the game is mostly casual focused, not hardcore end game focused.>Just picking up and playing should be the fun part, not working hard to get to the fun part.>Expand on the mid to late game leveling experience by adding in more zones and quests to smooth out the experience instead of having it feel like a grind.I agree with you. I really enjoyed the major focus on leveling content at the start of Cataclysm. The revamped quest chains encouraging exploring all over the place was a lot of fun, no zone felt dead, like you'd run out of things to do and discover before needing to move on to the next adventure. All the added mechanics, fights, vehicles, set pieces - things you'd find in later expansions adapted to the older content that people had largely come to see as obligatory. I personally felt that it was incredible that they'd invested so much of their effort into content that wasn't max level endgame shit, but rather trying to make getting there the fun part.And surprise surprise, I saw no end of bitching about this and people shitting all over it, and to this very day most people say Cataclysm was the worst expansion for various reasons and one of them was the "pointless" revamp of questing zones and not enough endgame content. It was depressing then, but maybe it'd go over better now. I don't know, I quit at the end of WoD
>>738740335>My point being the current WoW team cannot make any sort of spiritual followup to classic.SoD felt like the perfect Classic+So yea, they are capable.
>>738740450>SoD felt like the perfect Classic+
>>738716868>nublizzard
>>738739737Mostly people play classic wow by leveling and then quieting after reaching level 60.Parsers are a vocal minority.If Blizzard listens to parsers about how to design classic+ all new content would just be endless new raids that get beaten in less than a week. Then waiting months/years for new raids to come out all while complaining there's nothing to do.You need to make all aspects of the game fun and engaging for their own sake; not center everything around raiding and parses like it's like a speedrun.
>>738740565all of the actual data concerining WoW shows this is false and that players universally gravitate towards raiding.
>>738740313>>738740160It's true.Actual Vanilla had some issues, especially gearing up past dungeon blues. No welfare epics. DESU welfare epics were the best thing TBC introduced, but also better talent trees.
>>738719037Dont let Josh see this post bro, he needs the class perfect for his Idol despite the fact that he wont play the game
>>738740775Show me the data
>>738740565>If Blizzard listens to parsers about how to design classic+ all new content would just be endless new raids that get beaten in less than a week. Then waiting months/years for new raids to come out all while complaining there's nothing to do.
>>738740846>welfare epics.The only people who think purple gear means anything are retarded.It's a term left over from all the dogshit players back in the day.
>>738716868It'll be the same old>everything is new and exciting>most people quit after a month or so of raidlogging
>>738740565>yea dude we should make a bunch of content that doesn't progress how strong your character is in combat and people will just be happy because of it's vibesNope.
>>738740442Biggest thing I hated about the Cata revamp was having to go through fucking TBC content again at 60. They eventually decided to just level scale everything and let you pick what expansion you want to go through but they should have made the Cata old world go all the way to 80
>>738734572That's because warlock is not a competitive spec and the good raids don't run any warlock support like a shadow priest in classic. You need to tryhard or get carried to parse 99s otherwise.
>>738718571Burning Crusade
Man I sure hope the guy who decided to make emerald nightmare incursions isn't in a position of authority on the classic plus project. That would be embarrassing wouldn't it. Imagine what other "Brilliant" ideas he will come up with
>>738741227>good raids don't run any warlock support like a shadow priest in classic.Many top ranking guilds did infact run a Spriest specifically for the LocksI wasn't talking specifically vanilla only either.99s in vanilla, tbc, and SoD. I skipped WotlK because I didn't want to play that xpac again
>>738741063It should not be designed to be a raid tier/stat arms race.There should be gear variability, but not simple increase in power that make old gear obsolete when the new raid drops.If you want an example of a good MMO that didn't do this gear arms race; Guild Wars 1.After a certain point in GW1, gear was more about looks/status symbol and having multiple sets of gear for different situations/modes of the game.
>>738741468Ya, GW1 did super well, right?It still has tons of players and gets talked about all the time the way classic wow does?Oh. . .
>>738741468nah i want the oppositehard to get gear that you need for each and every ability while you macro in gear swaps just for one move that's gaming
>>738725126>>add flying because god forbid engaging with the worldyeah you're clueless bud. i can tell you have never actually played the game or you'd understand why this isn't going to happen. disregarded the rest of your post and any follow-up posts you make
>>738741576That's extremely reductive and glosses over my point.My post in no way implies that GW1 is better then Wow or that I want Classic+ to just be GW1.
people only paly MMOs to get better gear than other players and kll them
ah the age old battle>the turbo dweebs with no life who log 100+ hours every week and hate themselves and the gamevs>the casual normies who are utterly undiscernible from botsthe war of turdswho will win?only those who don't participate
>>738741858I'm just showing how few people give a fuck about that kind of design and your MMO will die.People want to see number get bigger over everything else.
>>738741724>while you macro in gear swaps just for one moveThis is the single thing I dislike about FFXI.
>>738741958>People want to see number get bigger over everything else.No people want to pick up the game and have fun.>Player is levelingIs it fun?>Player is pvpingIs it fun?>Player is using his professionIs it fun?>Player is doing a dungeonIs it fun?>Player is creating a characterIs it fun?etc.etc.If raiding and gear is the main point of the game and everything else is only to facilitate that you get the pic in >>738740967
>>738718571To me it's "if vanilla didn't end for several more years and they finished up the many things they wanted to do originally, what would that be like" - they have addressed some of that in SoD effectively but there is still much more that could be done.I 'member people really wanted the ability to fly on their mounts but they could not convert the original Azeroth to flyable and so one of the main features of Outland was flying. As it turns out flying killed the game's explorer adventurer feel when you never actually had to walk very far on foot anywhere and never chance a run-in with enemy faction, but whatever. Waypoints worked fine enough for transports really, people were just bitches.
>>738742280The only fun in WoW is getting strong endgame gear and killing other players with it.
>>738742280pic related is how most people play the game. People that refuse to are the people wanting the tryhards to carry them
>>738742519For me in large part yeah. Resil gear making most of my hard earned raid gear not actually that good really annoyed the shit out of me. That and flying destroyed most world pvp interaction as was just said. My absolute fondest memories of the game were when the booty bay guards were bugged and it was a fucking bloodbath in there along with most of STV in general.
>>738742738>Resil gear making most of my hard earned raid gear not actually that good really annoyed the shit out of me.This tells me so much about you.Resil saved WoWs dogshit vanilla PvP
>>738742521>>738742519>The only fun in WoW is getting strong endgame gear and killing other players with it.Incorrect.Lots of people talk about how leveling was the most fun thing about classic.That might be something you like, but not everyone plays classic to only get the best gear to kill people.>pic related is how most people play the gameI have yet to see this.You still haven't shown the data.I think you and the other guy are just in a bubble where that's what you like to do so then you project that onto everyone else.
>>738739378Someone would think they'd get their opinion on what to do instead of how much they like the feces they produced, at that point why even invite them?Plus, they should get some opinions from people who aren't 20k hours no lifers, just so the same shit as retail doesn't happen again
>>738742893>leveling was the most fun thing about classic.I'm fucking sick of leveling.If I could skip all leveling forever I would.I've leveled to level cap in vanilla on 14 characters now. (vanilla, tbc, wotlk, wowclassic, Sod)I HATE the leveling in WoW
>>738743085>I've leveled to level cap in vanilla on 14 characters now>I HATE the leveling in WoWYeah, no shit.You leveled 14 fucking characters to level cap.You are not the kind of person Blizzard should make classic+ around.You're a 1% who would ruin the experience for most players.
>>738718571vanilla but with new content, new zones, new dungeons, new raids, etc, all while keeping vanilla design philosophy (like no fucking fly mount)
>>738743423>like no fucking fly mountRetards worried about flying mounts in vanilla don't understand why Blizz had to wait til Cata to add it.
>>738716868@grok generate me a thread topic and an image to post with it. If any real people respond, reply to them with a post just retarded enough to bait a reply.
>>738716868How many times does Blizzard have to re-release Classic before WoW players finally let the game go? The sunk cost fallacy has got to be so deeply ingrained by now that the only thing will stop them from continuing to play is a fatal heart attack.
>>738744152The most fun part about classic is fresh servers.
>>738744152That's not sunk cost, you have to reroll a new character whenever they launch a new realm. The sunk cost retards are the ones unable to let go of their old characters in retail.
>>738740442People bitched about Cata leveling because they replaced half the old zones that we're beloved by the playerbase with meme shit like the adventures on not Indiana Jones and Redridge turning into a unironic Rambo reference with poop/fart jokes.The tone was all over the place, and while Warcraft had always been silly, the writing went full retard with the world revamp. (in b4 who reads quest text lol)Also catering to wrathbabbies with the Heroic dungeon nerf but a sour taste in player's mouth that they never really recovered from.
>>738719427They're right though. Just look at how many people bitch about private servers that use the 1.12.1 client.
>>738742901Unfortunately that is unlikely. I think the whole retail raid scene is custom made for the few guilds who partake in the world first races, there were some leaks about it if I'm not mistaken. I doubt Classic+ will be any differentIf we're lucky they will create content that's similar to Turtle WoW, as that was the most popular "classic+" private server
>>738744190>>738744339Okay? It's still Classic WoW for what, the fourth time now? How many more times does Blizzard have to re-release Classic?I've sunk my fair share of hours in WoW before I quit at the start of Battle for Azeroth. There's no way whatever random gimmick they're adding to Classic this time is worth going through that grind again. There's gotta be better games to waste your time on.
>>738744152People just want what Classic WoW represents, a design philosophy that encourages social bonding and immersion over seasonal raidlogging optimization autism.This, of course, will never happen, because the modern gamer has been conditioned for years by corporations to believe that the current meta is the only way to play and everyone who disagrees is a boomer unc who wishes he we're back in high school. They literally can't comprehend that their checkbox/consoomer mindset is the cancer killing gaming.
>>738744730>There's gotta be better games to waste your time onLike what?
the main thing i miss about WoW is taking like 30 days playtime to reach level 30 while being 12 years old and mostly socializing and roleplaying with people in Goldshire and in front of Stormwindi'll probably give this a go but i can see myself getting bored quickly because everyone just rushes to endgame without caring about other people
>>738744720I would be shocked if Classic+ had new content like Timbermaw or Dragonmaw retreat. Im expecting a lot of reused assets to create "new" content like demon fall canyon and scarlet enclave.
>>738745228No you will get bored because you aren't 12 years old anymore
>>738744874I dunno, literally anything? There's a whole world of video games out there that don't involve replaying the same 20+ year old game over and over with different coats of paint.I'm not saying the grass is greener on the other side but there's no way Blizzard is putting out anything of substance other than nostalgia bait.The only reason I can see still playing WoW, especially the fourth re-release of Classic WoW, is purely because all your friends also only play WoW and if you quit playing with them you'd have nobody left.
>>738745304that too, although it's less about the age and more about having experienced online games alreadybeing in WoW was a mindblowing step up in scale compared to couch split screen stuff i was playing before
>>738732004This. I hope they don't listen to faggots who were mad about stuff like Warlock tanks and mage healers. Mage healing was the most fun I had playing WOW.
>>738745449They'll probably keep it conservative for the first year and once the player numbers dwindle they'll add more unorthodox things
>>738745540once the player numbers dwindle they will just add catch up gear and boosts to level 50 or something.
>>738718571Basically what if they never made expansions and just added stuff to Vanilla WoW
Ecelebs will influence the development and blizzard will listen to them
I imagine they'll just throw in some Lv60 versions of TBC raids that already exist in Azeroth, such as Karazhan, Zul'Aman, and Sunwell Plateau. Also Magister's Terrace as a dungeon.
>>738745964Oh yeah, also the 3 Caverns of Time dungeons and raid.
>I hate retail so instead I'm going to play a different expansion except made by the same people who made retailLOLLMAO
>>738716868I'm not paying for stolen assets
>>738745367>fails to name any other game worth playingevery time
>dude unreal engine 5pffrrt hahahah
>people that want railroaded cata questing oversatured with outdated references and memes>people that think tbc was a good thing and want a game full of flying mounts and blood elves>people that only could care less about the world and only want more convenient parsing and raidlogging>people that want horde paladins and alliance shaman>people that want 'horizontal progression', aka pet and mount collectingany attempt at classic+ is doomed
>>738716868Classic+ should just be literally vanilla talents gear still 60 cap etc but new raids and dungeons. Kara, dragon isles, hellfire peninsula, all the scrapped ideas before they rushed TBC
>>738747441I could've suggested any number of games. Ultimately they would've been brushed off and ignored because they're not WoW.It's less "Hey play X game instead of Y game" and more "Hey you've been stuck in this loop for over a decade. You wanna try something outside the loop?" and the average response being "No."
>>738748054No.They need to fix all the non-functional and awful specs of many classes and bring rogues and warriors in line with other DPS
>>738741302I still remember when that shit first launched there was an exploit to make shit loads of gold off of them. Talk about untested hot garbage.
It literally does not matter what they do, I will still give them money and I will still play it. Because I am a nostalgiafag who wishes it was 2007 again and hated the direction the game took with TBC which caused me to quit in the first place.
>>738748054You say that but there are problems with classic. Mainly scaling and classes. Difference in power between lvl 1 and 60 is completely insane, and also the difference between fresh 60 and someone who is BWL geared is also way too large. They need to squish stats, and probably levels and formulas. A lot of the specs are total shit too, but the easy fix would be to just use TBC classes
>>738748274>I could've suggested any number of gamesYet you didn't and still cannot.
>>738748961>Oh you think there are better games? Name 10 different games that are better than WoW and I'll tell you why all of them are shit.Nah I know where this discussion is going. You're welcome to enjoy whatever you want, I'm not gonna try to change the mind of someone who doesn't want it changed.
>>738749112You have failed to name a single game
>>738739378>a womanfuck this shit man, i don't want a fucking woman working at blizzard. This is bullshit, you know it's bullshit we all know it's bullshit women don't belong in nerd hobbies. My expectations are on the ground.
>>738749646Sorry man I've already envisioned you as the basedjack sitting at his computer trying to start an internet argument while I'm the stone faced chad who doesn't care about your low tier bait. You're done kiddo, see you next thread.
why is everyone going on about this when its going to release in September at the earliest right?
>>738749748If no women work there, then who will fill the staff fridges with breast milk?
>>738749975I really hope it's even later.Busy playing TBC anniv
>>738749975Do you not remember Epoch? We had constant threads hitting bump limit over a private server that didn't even end up functioning. People really really really REALLY want classic+.
>>738749975I am coping that it will release next week since I have time off work then. I didn't take it for this but it would be nice if it lined up like that. They have to have been working on it for years already.
>>738732245>Wrath with no dks, no flying, no vehicle combat, no dungeon finder, no race/class/mount changes would go hard thoJust stay with me here, wrath but all vehicle combat.
>>738718571The real version of SoD. SoD was the beta test, Classic+ is the final product.
>>738750019You don't need them at the office just to have a fridge full of breast milk doe
>>738750505Much easier to have fresh milk when you work on the farm thoughbeit
>>738719091one the largest mistakes of modern WoW was that paladins were no longer a joke.Paladins should always be a joke.
>>738732004>SoD was the best version of WoW that has ever existed.It makes me sad that most people didn't stick around for the final phase. It was actually really good and most people agree it was SoD's best phase. If Classic+ has the same quality as the Scarlet Enclave did, then its gonna be good.
>>738750551>Paladins should always be a joke.Tiggle go back to bed, I'm sorry that a Paladin killed you in a duel as a Warrior in the WoW Beta 30 years ago and it upset you so much that you spent the rest of your life crying about it, but its time to move on.
>>738750641>Tiggle go back to bed, I'm sorry that a Paladin killed you in a duel as a Warrior in the WoW Beta 30 years ago and it upset you so much that you spent the rest of your life crying about it, but its time to move on.No way fag. Bottom line, pallyfags need to be dumpster tier at all times or this will fail.
>>738743791i quite literally don't give a fuck, flying mount are a disastrous idea
>>738732245dungeon finder is good, random dungeon finder is badblizz sucks dick
>>738750816You're too stupid to realize they will never even be able to add flying to the classic world.
>>738716868It's simple : they did survey to gather what player wants.This cannot go right. Players don't know what is good game design. Blizzard spent years listening to "players" and that led to Retail WoW.They will do the same mistakes again and again. Be ready to get something focused on "end game raiding" with lots of "QoL improvements", faster xp to 60.Everything will be "date driven" and balanced around min maxers.
>>738750551I remember one of my guildies built his Shaman entirely for WF procs and killing paladins. He was annoyed that they always bubble hearthed when they were losing, so he didn't give them the opportunity.Was so funny seeing them run in and die instantly. I miss you Tauren Shaman named Dwarfpaladin, you were a real one.
>>738718571Something that will inevitably disappoint people because the real thing will never measure up to the ideas people have cooked up in their heads.
>How are they going to ruin it?By turning it into retail minus like SoD did.
>>738750553>If Classic+ has the same quality as the Scarlet Enclave did, then its gonna be good.An untested raid that was shit out onto live servers with massively overtuned health on everything, that blizz had to hotfix-nerf multiple times before it became feasible for non-sweaty players to clear it?
>>738751623turtle did it
>>738751715>An untested raid that was shit out onto live servers with massively overtuned health on everything, that blizz had to hotfix-nerf multiple times before it became feasible for non-sweaty players to clear it?You mean Alliance. It was overtuned for Alliance because they didn't have a raid wide poison cleanse like Horde did. Horde cleared it with ease.
>>738751715>hotfix-nerf multiple times before it became feasible for non-sweaty players to clear it?Not their fault most of you fucking suck at the game.I can't imagine not having SE on farm pre-nerf KEK
>>738751715Isn't that every WoW raid?
>>738751796....whatI never mentioned mechanics. The HEALTH on everything was overtuned. Even raids of 30-35 players were struggling with this """20 man""" raid simply because bosses had way too much health and enrage timers were too short.>>738751837No, most raids have PTR testing. Scarlet Enclave had none, they just dumped it on live with literally zero testing and had to nerf it literally 5 or 6 times before it became actually decent.
>>738751796>It was overtuned for Alliance>Horde cleared it with ease.Alliance guilds were literally better at SE than Horde.What fucking fantasy land are you living in?
>>738751904>Even raids of 30-35 players were struggling with this """20 man""" raid simply because bosses had way too much health and enrage timers were too short.You are talking about the council fight with the enrage timer, only Alliance guilds were hard stuck there. Also the entire raid was punishing towards melee stacking which everyone did in Naxx, so you couldn't Warrior meta your way through it. Horde took less than 24 hours to clear it upon release.
>>738732832>bro just be proud of those big numbers on all those punching bag classic bosses that just stand there
I think the classic andy playerbase will find a way, its replete with far too many people looking to min max and become mr chad parse in raids alongside this homogenized 30-50 something crowd who want to take things more chill but couldnt organize a piss up in a brewry. The interesting thing will be if blizzard can do a vibrant and enjoyable change to new classes/talents that avoids having most guilds totally ignore certain races/specs without it being retail in new clothes. Then theres also the trouble at the other end, a lot of the sweats will reeeee if levelling a new char to 60 takes too long and you cant afk in dungeons paying for a boost and things like dkp gets lol banned, anniversary proved again that theres a huge rift between a lot of people who play. Blizz try and sort of cater to everyone and its really not always on them why things turn sour.
>>738752061>You are talking about the council fightNo, I'm talking about every boss.shoo, retard
>>738752105>anniversary proved again that theres a huge rift between a lot of people who playBecause classic is overrun by retail tourists who use it as a side game in between retain content droughts.Back on private servers, if you even mentioned wanting a level boost or a WoW token, you'd be laughed off the server.
>>738752061>only Alliance guilds were hard stuck there?????????????????????
>>738732004>SoD was the best version of WoW that has ever existed.yikes. The raids were OK. the leveling experience was good the first time until it became incursion spam.the new raid quests were bottom tier.the balance in pvp was bottom tier (i know i know u dont care about pvp)the PvE favouritism was also blatant. like purposefully giving rogue and warrior broing runes because "they were already good in classic" then making priests OP as shit because a dev played a priest despite them already being top tier in classic, yeah ok.
Considering how SoD turned out:>150% exp boost because "wahh wahh I don't like leveling I don't have time to play just let me raid log">instanced questing areas that invalidate normal questing and dungeon runs>super streamlined gear, everything is the same shit just with higher numbers each raid>classes homogenized to Cata level, every class can do everything, niches no longer exist>dungeon currency that lets you buy full raid tier sets without ever setting foot in a raid>catch-up gear that lets you skip multiple raid tiers and jump straight into the latest raid>fucking borrowed power systems that nobody asked forYeah, any "classic+" that nuBlizz makes is going to be a shitshow that goes way too far with its changes and turns into retail minus again.
>>738716868it will be just as bot infested as everything else they've done
>>738732451honestly I want them to gate the level cap at like 35 for a month then raise it to 55 for a month. then raise it to 60 with MC/ONY and BWL all released at once, but cut out like 90% of the trash from MC.
>>738752450oh also cut out the trash from BWL that is just padding
>>738752450>but cut out like 90% of the trash from MCso you can log in and smack all the bosses dead in 30 minutes then log out for another week?
>>738716868it will just be retail shit crammed into vanilla, againblizzard doesn't understand what classic+ meansthey think people want the game to be less like vanilla
>>738752352>the PvE favouritism was also blatant. like purposefully giving rogue and warrior broing runes because "they were already good in classic" then making priests OP as shit because a dev played a priest despite them already being top tier in classic, yeah ok.Warrior and Rogue deserved very little.This is WAY fucking better balance than classic.
>>738752549I want the game to be less like vanilla, but that doesn't mean I want it to be "retail but less content"My ideal classic+ is roughly where TBC is, but apparently blizzard's idea of classic+ is cata/MoP
>dude SoD was so good! everyone loved it!lollmaorofl
>>738716868>20 year old gamegrim
>>738752352It's still hilarious how Hunters managed to be insanely broken op throughout every phase despite getting nerfed like 50 times
>>738752654is this supposed to be a bad thing?There were raids and pvp events for players at each of those phases level caps.It also halts the minmax GRIND 60 NOW RAIDLOGGING mentality
>>738752787>It also halts the minmax GRIND 60 NOW RAIDLOGGING mentalitywhy does it bother you that other people play the game differently than you
>>738752637TBC was basically vanilla+new zones, slightly redesigned classes, mostly the same game
>>738752821Minmax grind to 60 is how I play the game.I dungeon spam to level cap because I hate the leveling and think it's worthless.But it helps keep the majority of players even. That way no lifers don't have an instant turbo advantage.it's good for the game and the economy of a server
>>738752853Exactly. It fixed most of vanilla's major issues without going way too far and homogenizing/casualizing everything like WOTLK did. I'd love to have TBC class balance but in vanilla content.
>>738752907>That way no lifers don't have an instant turbo advantageno lifers are always going to have an advantage over the 5 wives 8 children 10 minutes per month dad gamers
>>738716868We already know how. They will add m+ to classic
>>738752654People loved it so much that the population took a sharp nose dive after the first phase and never recovered
>>738752985obvious, but the gradual level cap roll out reduced it.
>>738752654This is how players felt about SoD>phase 1>THIS SUCKS>phase 2>THIS SUCKS>phase 3>THIS SUCKS>phase 4>THIS SUCKS>phase 5>THIS SUCKS>phase 6>THIS SUCKS>phase 7>THIS SUCKS>phase 8>OMG SOD WAS THE BEST SERVER EVER I LOVED IT THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH PLZ DON'T STOP DEVELEOPMENT WE ALL LOVE IT SO MUCHNobody liked this shit until they announced it was over
>>738753237This just shows the fundamental issue with how dogshit classic isNOBODY likes the pre 60 content
is turtle really dead?
>>738753312Yes.
>>738716868Mega Servers. They'll also add in the token months after launch
>>738753237MC, BWL, AQ, Naxx, and SE phases were all great.Almost like Classic is shit before level cap in all iterations
>>738752565>class that is only able to DPS and has almost no utility is bottom of the meterssomehow manages to be worse than classic.
>>738753495Rogues deserve it
>>738750551this but only because of the kind of people that play them
>>738753293>NOBODY likes the pre 60 contentNot true. a lot of people enjoy the progression from 1-60. They enjoy gradually getting stronger with better gear and stronger spells. The issue with SoD was the extremely long timegates on leveling. It took away the constant progression aspect from the leveling journey.
>>738753531ya theres that turtle wow balance mindset. class i dont like is arbitrarily nerfed, class i do like is buffed to be obscenely strong. SoD devs were like that sub 90iq 4chan poster that finally gets to make his vengeance balance changes to screw over the classes that ganked him in STV
>>738753312Shuts down in 2 days.
>>738718571What if Blizzard continued the design philosophy of vanilla WoW and deviated from the direction they started taking the game with BC. The issue with a Classic+ is Blizzard is not interested at all in doing this, so at best we're going to get Season of Discovery 2.0.
>>738753741>every class gets brought to incredibly close balance>SEE YOU WANT YOUR CLASS BUFFEDkekalso I'm a pvper, I don't give a damn about STV ganks.I play the most broken 1v1 class in the game SL warlock
>>738753293Leveling is the only good part
>>738751623My expectations are very low. Just take burning crusade and remove all the cancerous shit that runs counter to why 'nilla is so evergreen.
>>738752565Rogues have literally zero purpose or utility in life other than to do damage in vanilla. If the class is objectively worse than other options if others can beat them in damage anyway then they have no use to ever be brought along. The pressure was on us to perform or get lost.>t. class officer rogue who topped charts every single fight I could melee in, and made sure my bros pulled their weight too
>>738753365>>738753842>pay2win donation perks>hardcore + softcore characters on the same realm>run by notorious scammers in the pserver community>most of the """new content""" was copypasted existing assets and barebones as fuckGood riddance.
I really liked the storylines in vanilla on unearthing Azeroths secrets like the quests the explorer's guild has you do, specifically Uldaman, Maradon and the Sunken Temple. I hope they add more stuff like that.
>>738725937This. The speedrunning raidtrannies will never admit to it but they just as bad if not worse than whatever blizzard can do to the game.
Even if they just transplanted the good pserver ideas into it, it's gonna be ruined by the classic community. Pservers at least kept a leash on the faggotry to a reasonable level, on top of the innate desire to just be there.
>>738740450SoD was done by like 5 guys total and they could only make it good for Phase 1. It was basically luck that it was good at all. They need more talent in the company and they don't have it any more. Nobody with talent in game design wants to work at 2026 Blizzard.
>>738716868Layering and botsThat was easy
>>738754473I have no idea what the story of WoW was. I just liked killing shit. My last classic character was a hunter whom I leveled entirely through grinding. It was fun.
>>738752176I dont think retail tourists are the problem with classic, maybe their input is somehow bad if they get invited by blizz idk, but imo its much more the people who cant let it go and play 365 days a year that cause the headaches and drama over 'make it less of a grind pls' and other issues in classic. That was the point i was trying to make anyway, theres two camps and they both sort of need each other and disagree over a lot of stuff blizz does and some hate one another, trying to cater to both seems like a huge challenge.
Classic Plus needs sandbox elements and horizontal gear progression, or don't even bother.
Never increase the level cap. New gear just makes other builds viable, not upgrades.More shit to do at endgame other than raiding.In fact make Raiding side shit, and focus entirely on new endgame stuff. Add new zones to the existing world for all levels. Do not funnel all players into a new zone. New class and race combinations.Remove the body type and add back gender.
>>738754802>It was basically luck that it was good at all. It was more the early game of classic is so good even modern Blizzard can't fuck it up. Once you progress into midgame things start to go south
>>738754841The thing is, I don't even think they're retail tourists, at least not anymore. It's just my own experiences but most classic guilds I've been a part of only play classic and constantly moan and complain about how grindy it is.Ironically, it's only the hardcore server players that don't complain about that sort of thing.
Blizzard has already proven with Season of Discovery Phase 2 and onwards that they literally do not understand what makes Classic unique, and just see it as flawed/dated design that is in need of fixing.There's 0 reason to look forward to this unless you're cattle who'll eat anything as long as it's dressed up in a classic trenchcoat.
>>738754841The people playing 10 hours a day aren't the ones asking for less grind, it's the casual dads crying about "I don't have that much time to play" that want everything nerfed into the ground
>>738755470They dont want it nerfed. They want everything shitterfied. What they dont realize is that they would still not play anything even if it got shitterfied
>>738716868Players will ruin it by min maxing the dungeon grind in a race to do 20 year ol content and then burn out 3 weeks into Molten Core/
>>738755821>burn outNot a real thing. It's a made up term by gamer dads to excuse how shit they are.
>>738716868by letting wow players play it
they should let you pick two classes and you get all the spells from both
>>738755470Im not sure its the casual dad's crying about 'the grind', i think its the sweaty parse people who are much more vocal.>>738755320Most of the guilds ive been in thankfully have had a pretty strong depth and makeup of classic dad's/mom's, your usually smattering of parse parse more parse wannabe's and fillers who are mostly first timers/casuals who can do the basics. Its been on the whole quite good usually. Im glad guilds like this can survive without too much drama, and i hope classic + will be a new experience somehow.
>>738755969Warlock with paladin subclass.Easiest choice of my life
>>738756002>strong depth and makeup of classic dad's/mom's, your usually smattering of parse parse more parse wannabe's and fillers who are mostly first timers/casuals who can do the basicsSounded like a comfy time anon, I'm kinda jealous.
>>738756002Why would sweaty parsers complain about a grind? It's the fucking casual dads who suck at the game. You sound like one too from how hard you're defending them.
>>738732245streamers keep saying TBC prepatch for classic but no, LK prepatch would be the tits
>>738718326Blizzard already gauged interested in Classic+ with SoD. They are pretty confident they know how many people want/do not want it.If they decide to iterate on Classic, that means there is an audience for it. I haven't played WoW since season 2 of SoD and I would absolutely play Classic+ without hesitation, as would all of my friends.
>>738735219Same thing with most multiplayer games given enough time: casuals and n00bs move on, leaving the hardcore behind
>>738739514Mostly agree, especially about professions and class identify. Crafted items need to be a bit higher quality, especially at low levels, and some RNG with the stats they end up with could be fun. Also more recipes that increase the quality of items you already crafted would be very effective in making professions feel more impactful (like upgrading the blacksmith specialty gear in TBC). DEFINITELY also need class quests to be fleshed out; every 10 levels MINIMUM need to have class quests that give substantial gear or ability rewards. Basically, the only reason something should be CHANGED is to remove redundancies or change something from utterly pointless to viable.For instance, you can be a night elf DPS warrior, but that's STRICTLY worse than being a human or orc DPS warrior. Rebalance racials so certain class/race combos are no longer "wrong". Same with professions and, to a lesser degree, class specs. Not every class needs to be good at everything, but some specs could be peeled off the fucking floor and made moderately useful.Don't entirely agree about gear being less about stats; bigger number better person is the bulk of the game's motivation. Bragging rights is really not a universal motivation for the Classic audience. Maybe more varied gear sets with unique set bonuses that effect your specific rotation could be the best of both worlds though.And yeah, the 30 to 50 grind needs help. Two or three more dungeons and a couple more zones would do the trick.
>>738755031this tbqhf
so classic wow is basically blizzard deciding that they are going to rework the entire game from scratch?
>>738756345Im not i just know several dad's and sweats that play a lot, and its usually the sweats without family commitments who are much more vocal and butthurt about it. I guess i have more sympathy with the dad crowd ngl and i dont have much of aan issue with parse andy's, but it is those guys who bleet on about 'convienience' more than dad gamer>>738756195Ive been in a few really comfy and solid guilds over the past few years in the various forms of classic, cleared the content without much drama and most people getting along its at times been amazing. Ive stumbled into them on occasion but a general rule of thumb i think is joining a big guild with a community who also level/pvp is the way to go. Good luck its still a blast if you can do the basics.
>>738756721>Mostly agree, especially about professions...unironically go fucking play retail if getting to max prof skill and farming hard to get mats isnt enough, on retail you can put on workwear and all kinds of expensive baubles so have at it
>>738716868They don't need to do anything to ruin it.The awful, toxic playerbase that Blizzard have spent over a decade curating with min-max optimisation bullshit will happily ruin it by being insufferable arseholes to play with.
>>738757314You didn't understand a single thing I said, but thanks for contributing.
>>738716868It's already DOA. It's made for the sole purpose of money, not a hint of passion. It's not like OSRS where like 3 key oldfags or whatever were burning out on the new iteration of the game and had a last ditch send-off for the game they used to love that miraculously blew up after they put hard work into keeping it alive. It's Blizzard chasing money after a bunch of faggots started memes about "CLASSIC PLUS" hoping World of Shitcraft would get the OSRS treatment without even understanding what OSRS is or it's story.
classic+ could be a success BUT they have to give me complete creative control over i. there's no other way.
>>738756721>Don't entirely agree about gear being less about stats; bigger number better person is the bulk of the game's motivation. Bragging rights is really not a universal motivation for the Classic audience. Maybe more varied gear sets with unique set bonuses that effect your specific rotation could be the best of both worlds though.I can see different gear sets having unique set bonuses being a good way to balance gear.My main problem with the every increasingly better gear is that old gear becomes useless and discarded for new gear.Quite literally throwing away content and development time from a developer standpoint.And throwing away work someone put into acquiring that gear from the player standpoint.Making gear that moves horizontally instead of vertically keeps old content relevant, the gear itself and the gears aesthetic relevant, and the work a player did to acquire the gear is never wasted because it can always be used in other scenario.
>>738757237Yes. Only took them 19 years from the fuck up that was TBCWatch them make the exact same mistakes.
>>738757970horizontal progression isn't real, it's an ideaguy memeany implementation ends up being either cosmetic collecting for hoarders or reskinned vertical progression
>>738757970also the minor effect equivalent of gylphs and stuff could be rolled into set bonuseslike a set bonus that removes the need for the reagent to cast slowfall/waterbreathing/walking so it frees up a bag slota rogue set bonus that increases pickpocket range by 10 yards or reduces the global cooldown on distract or some other convenience
>>738739737
>>738758236>any implementation ends up being either cosmetic collecting for hoarders or reskinned vertical progressionI'd rather have that then make old content useless and only ever seeing a gear set for one season to then never be seen again.The ever increasing ceiling of new gear, higher numbers and the need for constant new raids to acquire that gear is how retail wow became what it is.
>>738756010Bubble out of CCDeath coilNothing personal kid
>>738758401Thats a good ideaAdds flavor and RPG elements
>>738757970Good point. Significant set bonuses may indeed be the answer then.In terms of aesthetics, I know most of the classic audience hates transmog and I agree; if it wasn't in I wouldn't let miss it. I wonder if there's a way to make it work, though.>zero paid for cosmetics >can only transmog to an item that you are high enough level to use, OR>transmog is only unlocked after a certain level 60 quest line and you have to do it on each character >Transmog unlocks are not shared between characters>You have to give gear to a specific vendor to unlock its transmogLike I said, I don't care if it's not in the game, but I wonder if it's possible to have a version that isn't retarded (like using the LFG board to manually make groups instead of the community breaking automatic group forming and teleporting dungeon finder).Mostly I'm just coping, trying to find a way to not have to visually wear that fucking clown vomit looking AQ gear ever again.
>>738758510this problem was solved years before wow came outand the answer is not make make your endgame raiding, make them a thing you do a few times to get your gear and after that make all progression tied to pvp
>>738758703>Mostly I'm just coping, trying to find a way to not have to visually wear that fucking clown vomit looking AQ gear ever again.That's a good point and I agree.It probably wouldn't perfectly solve the issue every time, but I'd just put an emphasis on matching gear sets/set bonuses and make sure the gear set pieces work best when worn together instead of mix-matching pieces to make an "optimal" set.Because yeah, I don't like clown suits or transmogs either. Everyone either looks dumb and/or all the same. But having people wear full matching gear sets and rotate them out when different stats/bonuses are need, I think, is a neat idea to keep past gear relevant and not have everyone always look like a clown/the same from transmoging the best looking sets.>>738758743A PvP end game focus is an interesting idea but I don't know how well that would work for WoW because it's such a heavily story driven experience. It leans so heavily into PvE.
>>738757401>some RNG with the stats they end up with could be fun. Also more recipes that increase the quality of items you already crafted would be very effective in making professions feel more impactfulthis is what you wrote, there is a reason no one complains about profs in classic - it's because they are fine the way they are
One if the biggest mistakes they've made was making endgame progression tied to raiding. You never make your endgame instance based and still expect your game to be community driven which is what an MMORPG should be.
>>738759269Yeah man, I love my reward for farming materials to be able to craft a level 19 common quality sword that has absolutely no use to anyone. Professions being useful at any level if you do a decent job of keeping them leveled while you also level is way better design than just ignoring them until max level and then grinding them out in a couple days.>there is a reason no one complains about the profs in classic Patently untrue, even in this very thread. Weak professions and useless recipes have been a topic among anyone discussing potential improvements to the game for a long time. Pretending like it doesn't happen is not a replacement for actual points.
>>738752654>level 60 after 9 monthsdid i really play SoD that long? No fucking way. Also I remember the level 50 phase being like WAY longer than any other phase.
>>738753237The best parts of each phase were the open world PvP events.Level 25 Ashenvale PvP was goated.Level 40 STV PvP was insane.Level 50 PvP was still STV PvP but still insanely fun and there were always hundreds of people every match.Then level 60 hit and they killed the world PvP. Then it all sucked.
>>738732004I actually really liked (most of) SoD. But I don't think the devs in charge of it are fit to make Classic+. SoD was more like WotLK gameplay in the Classic setting, which is not Classic+.
>>738752061>Warrior meta>SoDHuh? Maybe in the last phase once they were fully geared.
>>738753237It was more like:>phase 1>THIS RULES>phase 2>THIS SUCKS>phase 3>THIS SUCKS>phase 4>THIS SUCKS>phase 5>THIS IS OKAY>phase 6>THIS IS OKAY>phase 7>THIS SUCKS>phase 8>THIS RULES
>>738760129>Implying there was anyone left come phase 8 to say it rules
>>738760028I hated SoD for the fact that all warriors did was cry they weren't number 1, and always demanded all the gear first each phase so they could do damage.
>>738719037Many, many hours later, but if we're going by ACTUAL vanilla and not classic, then ret paladins should be top DPS due to a bug with Seal of the Crusader increasing both attack speed and attack power, instead of increasing attack speed and lowering attack power.
I hope they bring rogue tanks and mage healers back.
>>738759829>Level 25 Ashenvale PvP was goated.No the Ashenvale event sucked ass. You ran around killing NPCs while the event was active. You didn't even pvp.
>>738716868It doesn't matter what they do, ask 1000 people what their perfect classic+ would be, you get 1000 answers that will even contradict each other.It's impossible to please even half the playerbase let alone nearly all.The closest they could get would be with modular servers that allow players to set the server rules, but obviously Blizzard will never do that since that would splinter the player base even more.
>>738760609As I recall, people did PvP initially until the community realized it was optimum to ignore the enemy faction and stick to killing NPCs. Why did nobody on the development team predict this would happen when it happens every single time retail added PvP with NPCs?
>>738761026Consumers don't know what they want and companies quickly realize it's pointless to ask them. Instead you try to understand your target base and make a product that caters to their needs.
If this isn't classic+ i aint paying for it
i can get a solid month of good gaming out of wow. after that i bail and its a good time
>>738762024NOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME AS A SECOND JOB OR IT DOESN'T COUNT!!! FUUUUUUUUCK
>>738762190to each their own but eventually you run out of things to do and i dont find raiding fun
>>738760435Warriors got nothing in the entirety of sod you fucking retard, every other class got fun new abilities, warriors got... Slam.
>>738760609>You didn't even pvp.You couldn't, nu-blizzard network coding is so bad you literally cant play when there's more than 100 people in the same area, it's worse than actual vanilla
>>738760609>>738761213nah it was great and if you wanted to win as horde you have to coordinate a defense to delay and provide enough time so there was plenty of pvp happening until near the end of the phase when nobody cared anymore
>>738754221It was SOVL aside from the tranny jannies. The buyable mailbox and vendor etc. people could pop up was not really that impactful.
If they don't add playable ogres then Im not interested
>>738763857>That one Chad warrior charging into the backlines when his side is clearly losing
>>738764330https://streamable.com/h55yblFull video
you already saw what their idea of + is with season of discovery aka season of retailyou take classic, turn it into retail with seasonal design, retail spells, fomo and other twitch kiddie features to cater to the wrath/cata players who think of themselves as "classic" players even though they are retail babies.+ will be even worse than season of retail though because it will have a cash shop, pre order deluxe packs, wow token etc.
>>738765898Anyone comparing SoD to retail hasn't played retail in over a decade.
>>738766269I have never played retail. I don't need to in order to know it's shit.
>>738766316>I have never played retailThen why are you comparing anything to retail if you know nothing about it?
>>738766357I have eyes.
>>738719037If you liked the balancing in vanilla you're a huge fag. There's not much else to say. Like you're literally complaining that a class that isn't warrior is the top? Do warriorniggers really?
>>738765898Explain how SoD is anything like retail
Did u get it?
>>738716868>How are they going to ruin it?Don't worry, players will ruin it for themselves with boosting/gdkp/metafagging and cliquefagging.
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>>738716868Just like how they ruin everything else, everything Blizzard touches turns to shit. I fucking wish they put actual effort into classic+ but we all know that won't happen. Also if classic+ is as planned (actual mini-expansions in comparison to retail, for years to come) then they will introduce the cash shop and shit, which means classic+ will have a bunch of retarded looking colorful mounts running around with furry cosmetics
>>738766865So you can't? Just blowing smoke out your ass on things you know nothing about.
>>738766952nigger are you fucking serious right now? they ripped abilities straight from retail
>>738752450gating the level cap does nothing but encourage alting and jumping to whatever class is the highest dps in the current patch/tierare you retarded?
Classic+ already exist and its called Retail. I seriously don't know what you stupid fucks want. Blizzard WILL NEVER allocate new resources to Classic. You will get asset flips and pserver tier changes.
>>738766990>omg is that le heckin CRUSADER STRIKE? that must have been added in dragonflight!
WIll Classic+ have bots like Season of Discovery?
>>738766990are they not supposed to use the fixes that TBC already had?
>>738766757>level 25What the fuck. I never played SoD why is this so broken?
>>738767197It will have more
>>738767273rare drop from the hardest boss of the new raid
>>738767273Level 25 was the cap for first phase.
>>738767273SoD had phases with level caps. There was low level raids you could run for crazy gear.
>>738766757No but I didn't play any caster classes til way later. Saw a guildie get it though. Boomkin
What would even be the new lore in classic+ though? Will they remake emerald dream for a third time? Lmao
>>738755470>>738755527Casuals were crying in OG vanilla too.And we laughed at them.And even more importantly - we used our tier 3 raid gear to rape the pvp players in pvp.The casuals would cope by going into a pvp focus but we'd find them there too.That was the best part about vanilla - no good pvp gear and no resilience stat.
>>738716868they wont need tothe community will do it for themthey'll dissect it and create guides and walkthroughs and addons and wiki sites and optimal questing paths and mobs to farm for rare drops and auction house watcher botsthat era is gone and no matter how many times they try and how many flavors of classic they try to bring back it will never happen
>>738767273Level cap for the first two months of SoD was 25. The Sleepwalker Rod was a 8% drop rate from second last (and hardest) boss of 10 man BFD raid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq-2eLggiNwI only saw the rod drop twice before phase 1 was over. Boosters were selling it for hundreds of real dollars. The other epic (9% from last boss) was pic related.
>>738766461You gave your money to the Russian mafia turtlefag. You're basically a terrorist.
>>738767603Nigger that literally never happened in OG vanilla, stop pretending. You were probably hardstuck at level 35 struggling in STV back in 2004
>>738760443In general ret was a meme spec. That bug you're talking about lasted about a week.
>>738767541There's a bunch of places that were unfinished that they'll probably use and make new lore for. Karazhan crypts, Mount Hyjal, Uldum, the portal in Stormwind, the place in northern Lordaeron, Gilneas, etc.They can probably just shit out some kind of "this is what happened here in between vanilla and when we saw it in <insert period in retail>".
>>738767717Oh it happened.Of course we only went and molested the pvp kids on rare occasion in AV or whatever with a pre-made full of tier 3 gear.What's even your argument? That you were gonna 1v1 a warrior with all the best raid gear using pvp gear in vanilla? Kek. Now we know you never even played the game.
>>738767674I like the level caps and making people spend time in these dungeons. Otherwise you maybe do them once while leveling and that's it.
>>738767923They could just make level 60 versions of most dungeons with gear specifically from those dungeons but the trannies that work there now will not produce anything better than the private servers they keep going after so I don't care and shant give them any money.
>>738716868Isn't that what Season of Discovery was supposed to be?Seriously, how are people still giving Acti/Blizz money? I haven't given them a dime since WoW Legion. The only WoW I play are private servers. Turtle WoW has been the best time I've had on WoW since Nostalrius. And Nostalrius is the best time I've had on WoW since WotLK.
LET ME PLAY DRAENEI AND GOBLINS
>>738768185>Isn't that what Season of Discovery was supposed to be?SoD was basically just like a test for Classic+ where they got to test out a bunch of shit by re-using stuff that was already in vanilla and other expansions that got imported into vanilla. The idea of Classic+ should be like SoD, but also with a bunch of whole new areas, NPCs, questlines, items, abilities, etc.
you know what really sucks about classic is you look like a dork pretty much always
>>738768537that would be tbc
why do incels hate classic WoW so much?
>>738767864I guess you were a part of the top 0.01% guilds, probably raided with Kungen himself
classic+ should just add more specs and spellsWarlock metamorphosis tanking was cool until they fucking ruined it
>>738768537That's part of the charm. When someone looks cool you know they did something cool.
they should make every mob elite and add in exp loss on death.
>>738716868It will be just season of garbage but without the leveling phases, if there are no arenas I'm out.
>>738767717it happened but keep in mind less than 1% of players even went into nax. Raiding was the forced meta of WoW and raiders were rewarded with insane PvP gear for getting to show up to a raid that could clear aq40/nax. My raid guild had a serious raid attendance issue because people kept wanting to quit after they got some gear to PvP with. like 90% of people only wanted to raid for the gear and were totally over it after a month of actual hardcore raid schedule. DKP was necessary back then to combat low retention of raid players.
>>738769142but getting gear in classic is just a slot machine
>>738769694And? You think you should be guaranteed something just because you turned up?
>>738716868I'd consider playing again if the monthly sub was cheaper.Back in 2005 it was a new experience and needed serious server hardware and bandwidth to adequately host the game, but now it's 20 year old content that can be hosted on a toaster.
>>738769861imagine playing ocarina of time and the chests only have a 10% chance of having a key or item from a dungeon and you need to reset the game and play through it again in hopes you get it each time.
>>738770016Imagine playing tetris and the line block only comes 10% of the time
>>738769861yes you fucking retard
>>738770826
>Selling $50 mounts and cosmetics in ClassicIt is not physically possible to make Classic+ as modern Blizzard. The capitalistic greed gets in the way of the aesthetic.
>>738762452Yet warriors were always top. Its almost as if Warriors were the only functional class in classic and didn't need shit.
>>738772940They have yet to sell shit in vanilla.
>>738767674i lost this to a hunter twicemelee hunter was a mistake
>>738773014You dumb, stupid idiot.
>>738773014That's why they need to make classic+
SoD was alright, super fun in parts, but I can't imagine they'll improve on it enough in a full-fledged Classic+ to make me want to go through classic levelling and raid progression for the hundredth time unless they add an absolute ton of shit to the mid game. Which we saw in SoD they won't do so it's a moot point.
>>738719956>Literally what happened on twow where rogues were trash
>>738718326>Meanwhile Epoch is surging with TWoW refugees and now KV refugees, despite Dutch's most dire efforts to push them to BB and CoA
>>738716868classic what now? The fuck is classic PLUS. whats next? Classic Plus Plus? This shit is like the new call of duty. Repackaged the same game and blizzcucks are eating it up.
>>738774112>The fuck is classic PLUSPlay OSRS to understand what a "+" can be
osrs mogs
>play warlock in turtle wow>mages have a talent that makes counter spell gurantee to stop you from casting for 5 seconds>if it interrupts an spell its basically 10 seconds of not castingpretty balanced
>>738719545No joke, I got into anniversary to play with a guild and literally everyone secretly hates eachother while we raid every week.
>>738774714>secretlyEvery guild I have joined people were very openly being either aggressive or gay in /g
>>738716868What even is it meant to be? Classic is already ruined by saying it's a plus version anyway
>>738775437classic is already ruined by being a shit game with 3 viable classes
>>738716868>Changing talent trees to do things they were never meant to do (ie - everyone can tank and heal now lmao)>Le fucking percentages meme instead of actual numbers>"You guys like RAIDS and BOSS FIGHTS right?! Well, we added nothing but new RAIDS with completely useless mobs that die in 5 seconds to AoE so you can get to the big bouncy funhouse boss room where you beat the boss by playing minigames!">The new dungeons, if they even have new dungeons, are postage stamp maps.>"We "fixed" mana so that it basically isn't even a mechanic anymore!">"We "fixed" threat so that it basically isn't even a mechanic anymore!">"We removed all reagents/ammo/consumables/etc to fix the idea that resource management is a mechanic">Fast travel bullshit>Cross-realm bullshit>Teleport-to-the-instance LFG tool>Good boy tokens>"What's a profession?">"We balanced the races and classes by removing everything unique about them.">Literally any mention or allusion to the nuLore outside of maybe some TBC stuff>"We know you don't like those "The boars in that field are dangerous, please kill 10 of them for me" quests, so our new quests feature YOU as one of the characters, the CHAMPION OF AZEROTH, where you must SAVE THE WORLD in our new game mode inspired by Vampire Survivors! Complete with brand new cutscenes!">"We added a BRAND NEW quest where two kobolds get gay married! Erm... THAT just happened!">Transmog>Cosmetics>Cash shop>Level boosts>Quest markers
>>738768537No you don't. You look like an adventurer.
>>738737417>purposefully confusing 90's comic book style edginess with 2010's tumblr basedboy faggotryCome on now.
>>738733840You sound like that kid who thinks the best part about beating games is showing everyone he did
>>738726476It's not just Blizzard, though. Modern fantasy is kind of in a bad state. You really need a creative team that is mostly inspired by the old stuff.
>>738754821That's what made the story so good. You were just a a guy out in the world. You think a peasant in medieval Europe knew what was happening a hundred miles away with the king? Nope, he was just living his life in his world. You were doing the same thing in WoW.
SoD tells you how it will be. QoL improvements, endless convenience, 10 man 30 minute raids, all classes get all tools, etc90% of "classic" WoW players actually love the things which turned vanilla into retail. they'd be happy with 10g mounts at level 20
>>738775697>>Cross-realm bullshityou cant realistically fix this until players stop clogging same one or two servers
>>738776364Retail has objectively made a ton of improvements to the game. Such as having boss drop lockouts instead of raid ID lockouts etc.
>>738776746Technology has improved significantly in the last 20 years, they can just put everyone on one server
>>738768176>They could just make level 60 versions of most dungeons with gear specifically from those dungeonsThis.
>>738753293I like the 1-59 contentActually it's the only part of vanilla I like, the game might as well end when you clear UBRS
>>738776797>they can just put everyone on one serverVanilla WoW was not designed for 10k players on the same server.
>>738775840last one is fine
>>738776867Your asshole isn't designed to take 10k cocks but you still did it
>>738776797They couldn't do that in SoD, events like >>738763857 would regularly bring 300 players in the same zone/layer. The game would phase people into a new layer different from their group and friends because the server couldn't keep up. WoW can't handle it even on modern servers and hardware.
>>738777003https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/update-on-the-battle-for-ashenvale-and-layers-12142023/1742396
>>738776746Free transfers to less populated servers.
I just wont play anything from them anymore. I will just play on private servers like ascension.
>>738777434>uuuhhh no everything below 5k is a dead server i will not transfer anywhereremember how in 2019 people were sitting for 8 hours in a que instead of playing on less populated realms?
>>738773013Warriors were dogshit in phase 2 and then mid all the way until AQ, and then were top when you had SE gear and Ashbringer. The suffering was worth it to become a god at the end.
I actually would like flying, but i guess that's just me
>>738777895BUT WHAT ABAHT LE EBIN WORLD PVP wich never happens anyway cause most servers are one-sided
>>738777508Every single person that didnt wait in those queues got put into a dead server. Those dead servers kept getting compounded into other dead servers. Im willing to bet not a single person from those servers made it to naxx.
>>738778140>Every single person that didnt wait in those queues got put into a dead server.Because people refuse to play on them and prefer to sit in queues. This is self-inflicting problem. Vanilla was designed for roughly 2k simultaneous players, so blizz need to somehow force the population to spread on other servers (realistically impossible), split it on the same server (layers) or just let everyone in and face lags and unplayable openworld.
>>738777508Lower the number of concurrent players that can be on a single server to Vanilla numbers. Do not divulge how many players are on any particular server beyond "low/medium/high/full population." Merge dead servers. To combine populations.
>>738778417>Lower the number of concurrent players that can be on a single server to Vanilla numbers.they did exactly that in 2019 classic and people prefer to sit hours in queue cause they want to play on server with asmonbald and shit
>>738778515If you're willing to sit in a server for hours to play with Asmongroid, then that's on you. The game shouldn't be ruined with cross-realm bullshit for the sake of fucking retards.
>>738778680you sound like an incel
>>738716868>How are they going to ruin it?Shitty itemization aping retail, porting retail spells and abilities, predatory monetization, inadequate writing or world building, class balancing for pvp/pve instead of the world, focus on raids instead of dungeons and autistic difficulty focused on execution instead of logistics.Don't forget about sharding and cross realm horseshit and fucking with the servers to create a singleplayer mmo, don't forget about lfg systems and don't forget about pet shops, transmog shops, mount shops and wow token.I envy the secret wow classic servers who are hidden, invite only and nobody knows except a few thousand people.
>>738717150Instead of nerfing racials, I want them to all be made super brokenWill of the forsaken, stoneform and perception are always onHardiness is 75%Escape artist is instant cast with 15 second cooldownShadowmeld doesn't fall off when you start casting, only when the cast bar fillsTauren stamina bonus is +50% and counts armor and consumable statsTrolls get hyper realistic foot models
>>738751929>horde #1cope and seethe allytranny
grow up boomer
>>738781056https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwMXGooomaQ
>Yes I am horde. How could you tell?
>they won't tackle the verticality of end game wow>they will not gaze upon superior systems such as FFXI or EverQuest>everything hidden will be data mined aggressively within a month, there will be no mysteries>they will not scrap soulbound/boe/bop ((this needs to GO))>they will not address racials>they will not address the end game being about how fast you can fire an action into the server / APM problem>they will not make any adjustments to incentivize static leveling parties / staying grouped upD.O.A unless they have some real gen-x mmo niggas on board I think. Classic+ cannot cater to zoomies.
>>738784073Nobody wants your slop unc
>>738784073What's won't work soulbound items? that's the only way for items to leave circulation
>>738716868>How are they going to ruin it?They'll fail to realize that MMOs shouldn't have an economy and everything that the player has in game should be earned through engaging with the game. The playerbase will destroy it otherwise. Potions, food, enchants, repairs, crafted gear, cosmetics - all of it must go.
