>>738719547
Name a better written game anon, not meant as a snarky statement by the way, I'm genuinely interested in what you would consider to be better than DE

I stopped playing when I got to the sleazy fat guy with my gun, was uncomfortable

Zero Parades comes out next week.

This list is a bit out of date since Esoteric Ebb is out and I don’t care to check the other upcoming ones but pasting anyway:

Already released:
Citizen Sleeper 1 & 2,
Gamedec,
Lovely Lady RPG,
Pentiment,
Scarlet Hollow (early access),
Slay The Princess: The Pristine Cut,
Sovereign Syndicate,
Suzerain,
The Bookwalker: Thief of Tales,
Norco,
Roadwarden,
Rue Valley
Demo available:
Clam Man 2: Open Mic,
Esoteric Ebb (https://store.steampowered.com/app/2057760/Esoteric_Ebb/),
Give Up The Ghost (https://eitherorcollective.itch.io/giveup-alpha),
Glasshouse (https://flat28-collective.itch.io/glasshouseconcept),
Hollow Home,
Livber: Smoke and Mirrors,
Scarlet Hollow,
The Demons Told Me To Make This Game
In development:
Mandrake,
Pera Coda,
Shore of Jord,
The Conformist,
Travelling at Night,
Disco-adjacent:
Fallout 1 & 2,
Kentucky Route Zero,
Night in the Woods,
Nikola Tesla: War of the Currents (Created by Dora Klindžić)
Pathologic 1, 2, 3,
Planescape: Torment,
Zarya

>>738719547
Garbage from start to finish.

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>>738719846
well, nothing really
games are for their "game"play. writing is not that important and it comes of as a motive to get the wheel going, mostly

but when anons said how good the writing is? I was ready to be blown away and be blast having from start to finish, not for the gameplay but just for the story/characters/writing itself

>tumblr noses
yikes

>>738720280
I don't even know what to say if you didn't at least enjoy the characters, the sheer amount of different dialogue options you can say to each character is staggering

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>>738719547
>>738720280
>I kept hearing how good it was and "The Best Written Game"
>Second, the "writing" is not as good as anons have claimed.
>What's a better written game? well, nothing really
Great thread OP
Goes in all fields

>>738719547
>>738720280
Sounds like a (You) issue to me.

>>738719846
>>738720280
The dialogue is shit to decent, and the prose is forgettable. On that note, most games are "better" written in the sense that most games have writing which accomplishes its goals better than Disco Elysium. It tries to hypnotize you with its vibes and style, but anyone actually paying attention to the text will see it for what it is - paperthin drivel written by the listless children of middle class leeches.

>>738720690
So you can't name a better written game then? I means, we're talking about video games here. The bar isn't very high. Most games on the higher end of the spectrum are Netflix tier in terms of writing. Disco Elysium is closer in quality to a fairly good novel. It's not altogether different to something like Slaughterhouse Five or Catch 22.

>>738720975
>The bar isn't very high.
Like every medium? 99% of books are shit

>>738719547
Beat it for the first time a couple of weeks ago
I enjoyed it OP

>>738720975
>a fairly good novel
Hardly. The closest it comes to is the chickslop my girlfriend reads on the train. I'm not being facetious either; I've compared.
Since you didn't really read my post and are hung up on this idea that if I don't name a game, then no game has "better writing", here are a few examples that blow Disco Elysium out of the water:
>Mask of the Betrayer
>The Temple of Elemental Evil
>Underrail
>Colony Ship
>Stasis: Bone Totem
>Next Life
>VtMB
Basically anything that's narrative-first does a better job than DE since it's quite rare for a work to abandon its premise just to practice purple prosaics and impress midwits.

>>738719547
>Characters? as shallow as a puddle
uh okay

glad you somehow enjoyed it, I guess

>>738719547
It's a glorified novel. Not a game. If RDR2 is a movie game then this is a book game.

>>738721627
Prose≠Depth

>>738719547
the pale is a great worldbuilding element and the best thing about this game; the rest of the worldbuilding with its nation and ideology analogues is meh.
too bad it's relegated to the role of a background detail in a failed IP, it should have been a game mechanic in a strategy game or immersive sim

>>738721741
So Mario is a toy game?

>>738721901
Mario is a game first and foremost

>>738719846
>I sat down this chair hurts my back i took damage and died of a heart attack
>I refused to sit down. Then I sat down anyway and took damage and died.
Yeah its written so very great.

>>738721741
You may have to sit down for this.

>>738719547
>First, it's so fucking short.
That was the only good part.
Such a relief when the credits roll on a disappointing game and you can drop it

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>>738720567
>different dialogue options you can say to each character is staggering
on that note, I think its lacking
the dialogue options are often lead to nowhere, are just there for the sake of being there (fill a space) or for lore dumping
and a lot of times I just wished to say (what to me) was so obvious, but there's not a single dialogue option that fits
and maybe they could force the entire conversation to go south or east if I picked a single dialogue option and block the others.

by the end, I felt like this game was just an episode, 1 out of 4
it has so much potential and builds up. but maybe the devs throw it there early to get funding and whatnot.

>>738720690
its not THAT bad really, but gotta agree that some games are meant to have childish/simple or forgettable writing that just fits the narrative, look at Dark Souls or Ape Escape for example


for me? in this medium I find voice acting to be as important as the writing if not more (witch DE exceeded at)
I mean, look at this fucking shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzDLxaWdDoI

>>738719996
nobody cares

>>738722126
I'm sat

>>738719547
did not like Kim
not racist or anything, just didn't like 'em

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>>738722783
>dude, we need.. no WE MUST help Evrart
>why? we just have to.. OK??

what a dick-sucking charterer, no wonder why reddit love him

>>738722783
>t. Gary

>>738721627
Half these games are written like most other generic RPGs. No one in their right mind would unironically believe Colony Ship or Underrail to be in the top 0.5% of the best written videogames ever made.

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>>738721741
But there's plenty of gameplay? You may be confusing it with Visual Novels, where all you do is click your mouse button every now and then. DE has a world to explore, inventory, items, skills, level ups? It's a videogame, anone.

>>738722783
t. Lorry Driver

>>738721747
Neither do politics.
>>738722990
>in the top 0.5% of the best written videogames ever made
Neither is Disco Elysium.

>>738721901
Hmmm... yes! I think youre on to something

>>738722990
>Half these games are written like most other generic RPGs.
So a million times better than Disco Elysium?

DID NOT LIKE KIM
RESPECT HIS PEDOMORPHIC RACE BUT KNOW WE WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE TO DESTROY THEM

>>738723270
>Neither is Disco Elysium
But that's wrong.

>>738723334
No, far more generic and uninspired.

How come it's always 'mericans that seethe over this game?

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>>738719547
>getting hyped for a good written "detective" game
>The killer is an old incel in a lighthouse on a remote island with a sniper rifle. It isn't anyone you suspect at any point and any policework you do, good or bad, is completely pointless because you are railroaded to this ending regardless.
The REAL plot is that your girlfriend left you and you chose to completely disassociate from reality to cope with it, like the world's biggest bitch. Everything you do is just a metaphor for letting go.

welp, what was time fucking wasting of a game

>>738723869
It has nothing to do with detectives or policework, what a fucking scam.

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>>738719547
>watching a girl he liked getting railed by someone he fucking hates

what was all that about, whats wrong with him?

>>738724356
What does this have to do with being a detective?

>>738723138
All of that boils down to you clicking on a door to open it, only for 5 different voices to appear that waste your time having a 10 minute cringeworthy millennial snarky dialogue with each other about opening the door instead actually opening the fucking door.

>>738719846
Torment
Mask of the Betrayer
Fallout 2
New Vegas
Mass Effect 2
E33
RDR
Halo 2
Metal Gear Solid
Warcraft 3
God of War
Homeworld Cataclysm

Off the top of my head, all better stories than DE. People who worship DE seem unable to comprehend is that there's more to writing than smearing the purplest prose to ever purple all over the place.

>>738723869
>he missed the forest for the trees
Oh no no no no no no no...

>>738724812
If you want to be reductive, all FPS gameplay boils down to you click on enemies to shoot them. And all platformer gameplay boils down to you pressing a button to jump.

>>738720280
Sounds like a low iq issue desu

>>738724851
>Mass Effect 2
Are you having a fucking laugh.

>>738723552
reaganite brainwashing causes many of my countrymen to go into rabid fits whenever they see organized labor

>>738724859
There are no trees, there's a paper forest that's dreadfully boring...

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>>738724851
>Fallout 2
>Mass Effect 2
>Halo 2
>God of War

>>738724894
Even in this reductive description of FPS and platformer gameplay, player input matters. In Disco Elysium you're just there to listen to dialogue. And most of the dialogue options only lead to exposition dumps so you're not even really making decisions. They might as well have been automated and turned into cutscenes because they only offer the illusion of choice.

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>>738725041
The game's not about the murder, but about Harry himself. It's literally the tagline for the entire bloody game. So yes, you missed the forest and complained about there not being more trees.

Truly a dogshit game

>>738724851
>DE
>Purple Prose

You dumbasses need to get your shit together before you pretend to play games.

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>>738719547
>and I gotta say, its meeh.
same, I was waiting for "more" that justify that hype but more never came

on a side note, I also thought there's a quest or a deep story to this ugly fucking thing but the game suddenly ends before I even investigate, so I looked it up online and there was fucking nothing

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>>738719846
People are having trouble writing novels, I don't think games are going to do better.

No, using big words does not count as good writing. I'm talking about why normal people read; people they care about, talking about important things, in a stream of events a reader wants to follow. Planescape was strong on the last of the three, and managed to be a decent fantasy novel... DE is a writing student's attempt at litfic (which is the worst of all genres)

>>738725173
the tagline is misleading. you read it the first time and you think it's some deep RPG where you can be a different kind of cop each playthrough.
but really any choice you have in molding your character is shallow and ineffective and diegetically just one of Harry's coping mechanisms.
the game's tagline is "what kind of cop *are* you[, Harry]?"

>>738724953
You don't even understand what writing is.
I dislike Mass Effect 2, and it's written with an aplomb the Estonians can only dream of achieving.
>>738725173
>What kind of cop are you?
But this never comes up or matters in relation to being the cop.
You're the one who has missed the forest for the tee-hee-hees of lame political prosaics.
The game's entire point is barely worth being the conclusion of a side-quest.

>>738724851
Anon, Mass Effect 2 derrailed the entire fucking franchise. You're saying a game that features Shepard dying then being revived, introducing the concept of curing death into the setting then never doing anything with it, or Cerberus being forced on you with the player never being able to disagree with TIM's orders, or Mordin getting a seeker swarm out of nowhere pre-Horizon and that never being explained, or TIM thinking it's a great idea to send his nº1 asset into a Collector trap and not tell him because somehow that would've made him enter the hostile ship armed and wary instead of the way he did it, which was... armed and wary ("hur durr I'm concerned that if Shepard knows he’s walking into a trap he’ll somehow telegraph that he knows, and then the Collectors will know that he knows, which will make Shepard’s raid… less useful somehow? Thank fuck the Collectors knew that I would be listening in on the turian's broadcast and intercept their codes and that I'd specifically dispatch Shepard as soon as I heard the fake report for their ship to be still by the time Shepard got there"), or Shepard unironically taking the Collectors seriously as a threat even going as far as stating their plan is to attack Earth even though ONE (1) turret in Horizon was enough to send them running with the tail between their legs, or featuring a GIANT HUMAN SHAPED BABY REAPER WITH A LASER MOUTH is not only well written, but well written enough to stand alongside the likes of New Vegas or Disco Elysium. What the fuck is wrong with you.

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>>738725409
She was in a snuff radio broadcast before being pushed out onto the streets shellshocked.

>>738725513
That's what makes it kino, thoughever.

>>738725608
>But this never comes up
Anon, play the games you like to talk about.

>>738719846
Halo.

>>738719547
normal crpg
>see coin
>click to pick up coin
>move on
sodium elysium
>see coin
>click to pick up coin
>internal dialogue starts
>"you really want that coin? despite all the suffering in your life due to money? you know better than to degrade yourself picking up a disc of metal that someone far away has attributed some monetary value to. look at yourself! fingering around in the mud. don't you wanna stop? don't you wanna end it all? free yourself from the shackles of oppresive metal and paper ruling your life? didn't you have enough anxiety and fear about this little thing? you can do it right here. ignore the coin, ignore the system, show a middle finger to the world, because you are the main character after all!"
and then the dialogue options are crap like
>help me its too much!
>yes, I AM the main character and i'm stronger than this
>no, I need it, I want this coin, maybe with this coin, the system will finally start to work... yes maybe this is the one!
the entire game is just a joke made written by first year philosophy students. and its played on the player.

>>738725608
>lame political prosaics
why should it be anything else? should it be like that other game youre thinking of?
it's funny that because of the "shit" prose, regardless of how ironic or satirical at was, it's held to pseud-threatening standards, i tell u hwhat

>>738725652
He played it when he was 12 and thought it was an amazing sequel because it had more action.

>>738725839
>why should it be anything else?
Because you're supposed to be playing a cop in an interbellum world, not Portland, you homo.

>>738725652
You know what, you're right, I agree. It's been a while since I played ME2. The thing that I remember the most is how well realized the suicide mission was and how ME2 improved on the characterization of Garrus over ME1.
I forgot about TIM sending Shepard into a trap and other retarded stuff.
Regarding Cerberus resurrecting Shepard, I think that was acceptable given the game emphasizes how insane of an investment it was.
And Shepard working with Cerberus was acceptable imo because they were the only group who actually believed him regarding Reapers. If anything, turning them into just another generic villain group in ME3 was more egregious to me.

>>738721876
Traversing the pale sounds like it would get really boring quick, unless propped up with good schizo writing.

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>>738719846
This kind of question is disingenuous because DE's "good writing" just means "most like a book" because /v/tards don't read books so they just assume writing in books must be superior to writing in games innately. But DE is a borderline VN with virtually 0 gameplay besides RNG stat checks so it can sacrifice everything the medium brings to the table to be as like a book as possible. Thing is DE's story and characters are pretty weak, its hard carried by its prose. I could list other games with better written characters, story, better connections between themes and whatever the writer is trying to say, etc. But because those games are games first and foremost and thus can't get away with pace killing prose like DE the fanboys for this game just auto dismiss it.

>>738726104
>ME2 improved on the characterization of Garrus over ME1
This is actually my main issue with ME2 overall. It made every character into a badass operator, including the nerdy femcels of the original party. Felt like a capeshitty version of The Expendables or something.
Still better than Disco Elysium.

>>738726187
>DE is a borderline VN
Most VNs are vastly better written than DE.

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>>738726187
put the lighter down

>>738725173
DE's synopsis is misleading as fuck. The other anons are right in thinking its a murder mystery detective game but that just gets relegated to set dressing for Harry's story.

>>738726038
>it wasn't literal enough for me
okay, well.
and detective stories are often thinly veiled excuses to expose you to a lot of interesting characters w/ some sort of grounded, well understood framework. your first instinct shouldn't be to live that cop life. you rugpulled yourself
the setting was like the perfect environment for commie larp. i knew what it was going to be like 5-10 minutes in

>>738726243
That's a valid complaint, but in ME1 the alien companions are kinda relegated to just being representatives of their races. Garrus is kinda just a random guy and all Tali talks about is her pilgrimage. It's ME2 that properly fleshes them out. Wrex is the only properly realized alien in the first game.

Everytime de gets discussed here I feel better because if the dumbest mfs on this shithole don't like it I'm right in considering it a masterpiece

>>738726281
>most
retard

this game fucking SCREAMS woke, it's practically anti-american commie propaganda.
and the disgusting thing is that this game was successful.

franky, i'm disgusted with the whole games industry.

>>738726702
it's great but it made the mistake of threatening the anon

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>play DE because I like story games
>get like halfway through
>nothing interesting is happening
>the murder mystery is totally sidelined
>some political ideology shit is happening but I just don't care
>characters are just cardboard cutouts of their respective faction
Fucking weird game, it clearly wants to be some kind of character exploration of Harry but I could already tell that the exploration would just show me that he is a loser. Which is something the game has been showing me this entire time. Idk the game is just boring as fuck because it wanted me to care and pursue what is going on with Harry but it doesn't do anything to make him interesting or make me care about learning his past. Is he supposed to be the lead writer's self insert and this is some kind of mass therapy session or something?

>>738726702
Saddest cope I’ve seen yet, what a limpdick coded opinion

>>738726840
it's more like anti-EU neolib propaganda. Very few characters are as retarded as Americans are except for some of the ultralib alligned characters like\e the bookstore lady

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>>738727173
>flawed character bad
stick to tranime

>>738726840
'Woke' covers a lot of ground, but actual class-based Marxism isn't part of it.

>>738727401
>flawed character
This is the only thing going on with Harry tho? I've read tons of flawed characters but they have more going on with them besides being flawed. I need meat to a character to care about them but Harry doesn't have anything about him beyond being a flawed character.

>>738727576
youve gotta read some books lil nigga

>>738725675
She's very clearly unsnuffed tho

>>738727173
You've been given a tabula rasa and can become whatever you want. You can become the best cop despite all your flaws or an utter trainwreck that deserves everything that happened to him
>>738727221
Sorry but you guys are really dumb

>>738727634
I do, they do flawed characters better than DE because they have more traits besides being flawed. Or alternatively, they have an interesting story they are a part of that bounces off the flawed character in interesting ways. Harry is flawed but so is everyone else, but everyone is flawed in the same way: a sad loser coping with being a sad loser via some excuse like political ideology. Its not interesting at all.

Thing is DE could be far more interesting if it actually committed to the detective stuff instead of abandoning it. Detective stuff is super interesting and the journey and having all the clues laid out for the reader to put together themselves and compare to the climax's ending would have made for a great story with Harry's flawed character. But the detective stuff just sorta, stops trying. Like its there, but it doesn't try to be interesting and it ends up being some random faggot in a lighthouse.

>>738727919
i dont think you have the capacity to accurately state what would have made it better

>>738727919
and ive already said-- either to you or the other anon; "the detective" is a hundred years old trope that is more a machine for progressing the plot and introducing characters than anything else. focused detective work would be the exception-- and you'd be wrong to suggest it doesnt do this well (like relative to what, ngiger?), this is why i think youre just dumb and wrong and whining

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>>738723869
The thing that pissed me off was the fact that the man had a mushroomed out 4.46mm projectile (smg caliber IRL) lodged inside his head, which immediately told me that the shot could not have penetrated any notable material (no tumble) and was fired at a low velocity due to a lack of penetration. The fact that it was fired so perfectly into the mouth made me think someone assassinated him through the peephole spy style. It was the only thing that made sense.

Lo and behold it was a fucking magic sniper shot (with a fucking 4.46mm) from a kilometer away through a fucking glass panel. Impossible ballistics.

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>>738728403
I made an error in my post. There is no irl. 4.46mm bullet. I was thinking of the 4.6mm. In any case 4.46mm would be calibre .175 , a ridiculously narrow and light bullet for a rifle. For comparison the typical air rifle pellet is .177

>>738728395
>like relative to what, ngiger?
Relative to nearly every detective novel ever written by never giving the player proper clues to put the mystery together themselves. This is then followed by the killer being totally outside of the plot until the end.

That's the fun of a detective stories is getting the clues and trying to figure it out. Your in an almost combative state relative to the author where the author needs to give you enough meat to form your own theory while also throwing in enough twists and turns to get one over on the reader. So when you finish the novel you appreciate all the shit you missed while focusing on your own theory of events.

It would have made DE loads more interesting but instead players end up with reactions like >>738728403 where their theory turns out wrong not because of some clever writing but because they just didn't try.

Too many words. Like it feel for the Game of Thrones meme of world building just to world build. Like 80% of the lore dumps have nothing to do with the plot.

>>738719846
Kotor 2
New Vegas
Metal Gear Solid 1, 2, and 3
Detroit
Deus Ex
Fight Night Champion
GTA 3, VC, SA, and 4

>>738724356
>liberast could be anywhere he thought

>>738727732
She was the killer, she had to kill another kid.

the criticisms i'm reading here make me think coming back to this board was a mistake, you guys are straight retarded.

You’re not an ultraliberal, Harry. Get the fuck out of here. Don’t be a retard.

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you can see how the game was made with clicking on every highlighted object in every room before proceeding in mind, you break so many sequences if you know where to go and what do next, so many dialogues completely ignore your actual progress, also most npcs ignore Kim being absent
this is evil game design

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>>738725409
We were gonna get a sequel but it was cancelled

>>738729991
Nobody tell him.

>>738728947
Just play something like heavy rain instead of complaining a game doesn't comform to your expectations

>>738725409
Why the fuck did they not get her a finnish voice actress? For a game that relies heavily on language and character accents this choice threw me for a loop. They got one for Soona but not for the character that actually throws out finnish cussing every other line? Estonia has disapointed me for the final time, millions must drive to latvia for cheaper beer.

>>738728947
Most detective novels don't really give you sufficient clues. Like all the Agatha Christie and Sherlock Holmes stories rely on either information that was either not given to the reader until the reveal, or required extraordinary leaps in logic to the point its just guessing.

They do things "You see, I noticed earlier the suspect had two matching pairs of shoes in their closet. That's when I instantly knew they had a secret twin". Then the audience nods and goes "Whoa! It was right in our faces the whole time", but it wasn't. No one could reasonably conclude there was a secret twin off two pairs of shoes.

>>738729787
>so many dialogues completely ignore your actual progress
>posts an example of dialogue reacting to your progress
???

>>738724356
He really is the only true commie. A cuck and a useful idiot for neolibs.

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>>738730685
that's what the devs say, meanwhile the gardening gloves are the first item you will receive in the game after stepping out of the hotel - evil game design
i read somewhere that the later patches for the final cut broke some events and dialogues but idk, shit's ass

>>738729223
She seems to prefer to kill adults now. Too bad she won't get her own revenge story spinoff.

>>738719547
skill issue

>>738720635
This. Lmao what a fucking pseud.

>>738722389
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18478276-p-ha-ja-udne-l-hn

>>738719846
Planescape Torment

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>>738720280
Imagine making a thread about playing CIV and saying the RTS elements where "meh"

then when someone presses you for details on what makes a good RTS, or what is a better RTS you say "idk i don't play rts"

do you think your opinion matters to RTS players?

What makes you think I care about your opinion on writing if you're so illiterate you can't even gauge what a good story is to yourself?

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An entire thread full of fucking retards who missed 60% of the details of the game are now picking it apart for not answering some of their questions.

And when this is just shitpost thread made for ragebait, none of the actual fans will come in to defend it. So it's just retards making retarded lies about the game.

Disco Elyisum is 10/10 and it's better than any game OP could name. It's not even a debate, it's a fact. It still get insanely popular threads because it had engaging writing.

>>738732630
Alright brotha explain the intricate details of the magic bullet that killed lely >>738728403

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I feel bad for the families of you retards, can't even properly explain how you feel about something without having to compare it to tropes or point to the format.

>>738719547
this is basically copypasta, not a single identifying detail in the whole thing.

Many, many, many people in this thread mistake 'story', 'plot' and 'narrative' with eachother.
Its nost just about how good the story is, just also HOW its told.

t. screenwriter

how can you walk away from disco elysium thinking the characters are shallow lol

>>738724851
nigga mass effect 2 immediately starts with telling you that "actually clips and magazines were better than infinite ammo guns all along"

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My answer would be "yes"
t. Harry-mode divorced alkis

>>738726187
disco elysium's story and characters are fantastic. I don't know how you people can write so disingenuously, maybe it's because you need to shit on it for culture war reasons or just pure "i'm above this critically acclaimed fart sniffing work" contrarianism

evrart, klaasje, the conflict between the hardy boys, cuno, harry himself, it's all extremely well done. it's funny believable and if you've lived long enough you see shades of people you've known in some of these characters in a way you don't with more shlocky, tropey stuff

I don't even know why i'm bothering to respond. so this post is for any lurkers who haven't played it but adopt their views from forum posts and vibes.
it's a great game, pirate it if you must.
also read Notes from the Underground by Dostoyevsky unironically, it's extremely short and most people on /v/ could stand to read an actual book. it's about (You)

IUN GED ID: The Post: The Thread: The Cinematic Experience.

>>738720975
Papers, Please

Actual postcommunist nations have written into their laws that communism is just as criminal and totalitarian like fascism.
But the writer is a commie school dropout, so he idealized system where writers had no monetary obligations and could focus on sniffing own farts (and sucking up to the government when they would get censored otherwise)

>>738737337
You never played the game and if you did you are retarded

>>738737337
The story of DEs current IP ownership hell is a better indictment against capitalism than anything written in the game.

>>738737657
>it's not idolizing communism
It is part of the lore that humanity is doomed unless they become communist
The secret ending where Harry's boss recognizes him also introduces him to communist conspiracy within the police with implication that Kim also is going to be involved

>>738737665
Writer made bunch of claims of illegal purchase, none have been proven
People Make Games got confirmation from other people making the game that the writer was running hostile working environment. Who knew, a commie is a shitty slave master of workers.
It almost like Soviet Union sharing system could only function due to it enforcing factories to produce against Western standards and regulations, making profiting from selling to the West impossible

>>738724851
>Fallout 2
lol
>God of War
LMAO

>>738736979
Not him at all but if I read this and it sucks then you will be just as owned and useless as the other guy Anon, on God.

>>738738946
it's a literary classic. maybe read a quick bio on who Dostoyevsky was and the era and place in which the book was written for context.
half the book is the rambling of a guy who hates himself and it's stream of consciousness done extremely well

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The funniest part about DE is just observing the fans and watching them deny with a complete sincerity that the devs are marxist fags, as if they are somehow subtle and that these sorts of masturbatory "artists" are rare encounters.

>>738739471
> watching them deny with a complete sincerity that the devs are marxist fags
Another made up scenario from a subhuman /pol/skin.
Why are you spiritually brown?

>>738740425
Oh look, there's one

game is very lacking in story agency
sure, your character can pretty much do and say whatever he wants, but those reactions barely have any real narrative impact.

That said, if you've gone through substance abuse and oneitis heartbreak, I've heard it hits like a brick.

honestly, the voice system is the only really special thing about the game, so I'm glad that is what people are focused on replicating

>>738720086
Text on the right is not the only qualifier for DE-like, anon.

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>>738719547
PLACE YOUR BETS ON WHICH WILL SUCK THE MOST

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>>738719846
Anthology of the Killer
Hotline Miami
Fallout New Vegas
Killer7
Plane Escape: Torrent
Sam & Max games
Sonic Adventure 1&2

>>738741390
3 of these will never get released.
minimum

>>738726187
>DE's story and characters are pretty weak, its hard carried by its prose
Even this isnt good, I would say it is above average and has strong moments but also very weak ones at pivotal times.

>>738725138
>Even in this reductive description of FPS and platformer gameplay, player input matters
I had a heart attack trying to grab my tie.

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>detective game with murder mystery
>you dont actually solve the mystery
>it solves itself after enough time passes
>game is actually about DEPESION and gommunism

>>738726281
lmfao

>>738719547
Yeah it's a text-heavy crpg for terminally online /pol/ users who don't play other crpgs or read books

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what did we think of it?

>>738737337
if you love postcommunist hellholes so much why don't you live in one?

>>738720086
i wonder if I can jury rig some AI generator with the planescape voice bits and have it actually narrate the game

>>738726104
>Regarding Cerberus resurrecting Shepard, I think that was acceptable given the game emphasizes how insane of an investment it was
Does it? It's forgotten about half an hour after the intro. You pulled a universe-changing event and then never reference it again. Shepard, dying from lack of oxygen in space and whose body then crash landed at terminal velocity through the atmosphere into the planet's surface, and somehow pumping enough money into it you manage to recreate Mark Vanderloo 1:1 including brain activity, memories, personality, etc. and instead of it being treated like a serious narrative event that's talked about all game long RPG-style, it's completely ignored.
>And Shepard working with Cerberus was acceptable imo because they were the only group who actually believed him regarding Reapers
Because the writers made it so specifically only for this one game, not 1 or 3. What you have to ask yourself is *why* is the Alliance suddenly utterly incompetent for no reason? Perhaps because it was necessary to force them into this position to then force Cerberus into being the default ""good guys""? If my Shepard was a Sole Survivor and thus saw his whole unit die in Akuze at Cerberus' hands, why can't I bring it up once and tell TIM to fuck off?
>If anything, turning them into just another generic villain group in ME3 was more egregious to me
But they were always a generic villain group, that's the point. In ME1 they inject human subjects with thresher maw acid for shits and giggles. An entire DLC in 2 revolves around them hooking an autist to the internet via metal hooks grafted to his skin. Cerberus was a horrible fucking mistake.

pretty surprised nobody has tried to make a spiritual successor to the OG mass effect, even after all these years

>>738741809
>the game is about depression
disco elysium is one of the most hopepilled and life-affirming games of the past ten or fifteen years

>>738741390
Tangerine Antarctic looks like ass. I like the setting behind Zero Parade but obviously no one wants to care about it because of ZA/UM, kinda like Metal Gear Survive. Red Info is the one with DE's actual writer, right? But we know literally nothing about what they're doing, so who knows.

>>738742424
Disco Elysium is about a supernatural entity that is going to swallow up everything but that's okay because communism (or something) ruined wherever you live so even if that happens you'll get to see rich and successful people die. If Disco Elysium is about anything it's about spite. It's also Estonian and those are incapable of writing about human happiness because they're slavs ruined by, again, communism.

>>738742424
But not on the surface
(if all the culture war toddlers raging about le commies haven't revealed to you that USAnians/shitskins can't read yet)

>>738724356
Favorite line out of him is when you call yourself a fascist to him.
"You aren't a fascist, you're a meat shield to allow the real fasciitis to fuck kids, that's what you are".
If that ain't MAGA I dont know what is.

>>738724356
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagicalNegro

People seem to forget and miss the dream scene.
No matter what you pick your ghostly wife always says it's all a fucking charade to cover that you are a sad fucked up drunk who ruined his life. The ending is whether you choose to better yourself or not despite your failings.

>>738742424
>disco elysium is one of the most hopepilled and life-affirming games of the past ten or fifteen years
depends on the choices you make actually

funnily enough, the best scene in the game was just you and kim doing real police job and just debriefing a death unto an unsuspecting person.

>>738742951
The best scene in the game is the stick guy

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>>738719547
>mid af fr fr ong
kill all zoomers

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>>738719547
Damn you guys tearing this apart really made commie troons angry
Is it really that mediocre? I thought there were supposed to be some redeeming qualities but this game sounds like drivel for psueds

>>738744017
I admire DE for trying to be something unique and approaching it, but it would be silly to say it achieves what it set out to do. A lot of the game feels like a bright high school sophomore going above and beyond for a writing assignment. Like they're definitely trying, and with plenty more time and the same amount of effort they'll do something great some day, but for now you're just listening to somebody with little literary experience try to explain why communism is good.

>>738744017
Pirate it yourself and try it out. I did, and I found it very lacking. The whiplash between the praise I saw and the actual game itself nearly killed me irl.

Okay its not that bad in reality Im just being harsh because the fanboys are just as retarded as the /pol/tards that shit up their threads.

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>>738719547
>First, it's so fucking short. I thought there were way more things and other parts to go to
they got too ambitious, you're basically playing a slice on what they planned to do.

>>738722074
>Make character with 1hp
>Take damage and die
Woooooooow

>>738719547
It probably is the best written game out there, which you seem to agree with, so what's this thread about?

>>738724851
>People who worship DE seem unable to comprehend is that there's more to writing than smearing the purplest prose to ever purple all over the place.
truth nuke, people see some rarely used words and immediately assume this commieslop is well written
you're not different than normies who think the last of us has great story just because the cutscenes are cool and it's like le movie

>>738744468
>A lot of the game feels like a bright high school sophomore going above and beyond for a writing assignment. Like they're definitely trying, and with plenty more time and the same amount of effort they'll do something great some day,
Extremely apt comparison and the same vibe I got playing through myself.

>>738745006
Yeah. But then the author is actually like 35 and a drunk.

>>738744017
Either trying too hard or unironically taking /v/ bait at face value like a newfag.

backloggd commie trannies really mad their sacred cow is actually a shit game

>>738719846
Phantom Liberty
Mass Effect
The Forgotten City
Warcraft lore

>>738745479
>Cyberscam
lol

>>738719846
999
AI: Somnium Files
Amagami
Angel Beats! 1st beat
Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney
Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth
Chaos;Child
Chaos;Head
Clannad / Clannad: After Story
Danganronpa 1
Danganronpa 2
Danganronpa V3
Dies Irae
Doki Doki Literature Club
ef- a fairy tale of the two
Eiyuu Senki Gold
Evenicle
Ever17
Fata Morgana no Yakata
Famicom Detective Club 1 & 2
Fate/Extra
Fate/Stay Night
G-Senjou no Maou
Gyakuten Kenji 2 (Ace Attorney Investigations 2)
Higurashi - Question & Answer Arcs
Kanon
Kara no Shoujo
Little Busters
Muv Luv / Muv Luv Unlimited
Muv Luv Alternative
Phantom of Inferno
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Phoenix Wright: Dual Destinies
Phoenix Wright: Justice For All
Phoenix Wright: Spirit of Justice
Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations
Planetarian
Policenauts
Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright
Raging Loop
Root Double - Before Crime
Saya no Uta
Sengoku Rance
SNATCHER
Soukou Akki Muramasa
Steins;Gate
Steins;Gate 0
Subarashiki Hibi
The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles
The Silver Case / The 25th ward
Tomoyo After ~ It's a Wonderful life
Tsukihime / Kagetsu Tohya
Umineko - Question Arcs (EP1-EP4)
Umineko Chiru - Answer Arcs (EP5-EP8)
Utawarerumono
Utawarerumono: Futari no Hakuoro
Utawarerumono: Itsuwari no Kamen
Virtue's Last Reward
YU-NO
Zero Time Dilemma

>>738745614
PL has really tight plot writing and well-developed characters. It's an excellent, if cynical, form of political intrigue.

>>738745637
>999
SECRET WHEELCHAIR GRANDPA BEHIND THE SCREEN ALL ALONG

His name is Raphaël Ambrosius Costeau, get it right.

>>738745637
Visualy sure but not in terms of story. I honestly wished there was a Japanese equivalent to this.

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>>738736838
>dude like...communism is like love man...free peace for all
Is this seriously what you fags are jerking off? You would have gotten one shot like the boomers by CIA hippy propaganda if you were born during their age

>>738746398
You retarded or merely pretending?

>>738746398
That's the exact opposite of what that screenshot is saying. That's also coming from a voice in the MC's head.

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>>738727173
anon, if you played some indie steam games you will realize that there's a new genre of games out there..

its called the trauma-dumping genre, last on I heard of was No Means Nothing
I think DE was the first big one

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>>738746398
That is literally your own brain, after *you* decide to choose communism replies all game long, telling you to commit to the build/path. You can be a capitalist, you can be a fascist, you can be a boring cop, you can be a drunk buffoon. Stop being retarded and play videogames, you're on /v/ - Video Games supposedly for a reason.

>>738724356
He's the BadEmpanada of vidya characters

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>>738742535
>Disco Elysium is about a supernatural entity that is going to swallow up everything
oh no no no, he didn't understand the significance of the ANODIC DANCE MUSIC sidequest
or worse, more likely you read a wikipedia summary / watched a youtuber play it lmao

nobody on /v/ plays the games they want to feel smart for criticizing (in all the wrong ways)

>>738746398
Kill any man with more than 25 dollars in his pocket sound peaceful to you moron?

>>738719881
>he stops playing at the first boss battle

>>738719547
idk i had a good laugh reading it all, reminded me of classics with it's overly expressive descriptions and dialogues and shit
i'm not sure if any of it was supposed to be taken seriously, if it's full on satire or just pretentious as fuck, idk it is something though, i'll give them that

>>738747810
>idk it is something though, i'll give them that
that's called soul. the game may or may not click with you; some people will like it a lot more than others, but despite it all the game is oozing soul

>>738739078
>comparing Disco to Dostoevsky lmfao

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>>738719846
The Fear and Hunger series is better written than DE.

>>738748517
How so?

>>738733478
Would answering make you like the game?

Seems like you've made up your mind and just want to lock all arguments in a retarded corner. I could easily answer with what the game provides but why waste my time? The game has so much depth to it that I don't need to prove it to retards who got their opinion from grifters online.

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>>738719547
Speaking of good voice acting..
any game that extends at it? I liked Disco solely because of that, felt like I was in a theater.

As of recently, I loved the VAs for the Dark Souls series (despite how there's barely anyone talking) and Xenoblade 3 too
Anything that's NOT passive-aggressive, clingy or American would be a great recommendation.
thank you anon

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>>738748501
I'm recommending it as a book to the average /v/irgin because it's about a guy fed up with the world who thinks he's more intelligent than all the systems and people he crticitizes, and yet remaining paralyzed in his own inaction. it's also very short.

incidentally, the russian lit influence on disco is very obvious. one of the central characters in lore is named Kraz Mazov ffs.
if you like disco, you'll like nftu, and if you don't like it, you got something to read and can say it's the type of literature de aspired to be but couldn't attain

I do think everyone who wants to talk about VNs and very prose heavy games like Planescape benefits from reading actual books, it's foolish to give either positive or negative opinions about writing if you don't read. if you don't like reading, what the fuck are you doing in a Disco Elysium thread? imagine someone giving a negative review to stardew valley except they just hate all farming-related games on principle, it does in fact render their opinion on the subject invalid

>>738746621
>>738747064
>>738747350
>it's all just like...ironic and self reflective dude...
lmao there's no way man
did an 11th grader write this?

>>738748908
reading those books will make Disco seem so much shittier in comparison. it’s why I can’t enjoy the game very much. that said, the average /v/tard is definitely the underground man

>>738749130
Just so we're clear, you've *not* played the game?

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>>738748649
>How so?
Not playing your game.

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>>738749161
weak argument. and i've read a lot of books, probably more than anyone in this thread.
a single film's writing will never be as good as the best literature but films make up for that with acting, cinematography, etc. similarly, video games are an audiovisual experience. a work from a particular medium does well when it lean into its strengths

disco elysium is about a detective, but it is not a detective game. it's a game about people. It has very good writing, but writing alone doesn't carry it, it's hugely elevated by all the various skills, voice acting, dice rolls, individual decisions, sidequests, deciding the kind of Harry you want to be, etc. (it's telling that the sum of your decisions don't majorly alter the plot of the game; but they do majorly alter the kind of person the world perceives Harry as; you can't get that from a movie or book)

it's original, soulful and one of the top 5 games of the past decade at the very least. and yes, it's still a game, not everything has to be at the pace or complexity of devil may cry or zachtronics

>>738749785
Just so we're clear you've *not* acquired any media literacy?

>>738719846
>Name a better written game anon, not meant as a snarky statement by the way, I'm genuinely interested in what you would consider to be better than DE
The writing is shit for a game, that's what people like you don't understand. The writing doesn't really serve the gameplay (lol) and doesn't really produce interesting decisions making opportunities.
Monkey Island has better writing, know why? It doesn't set out to be a pretentious flytrap for psuedointellectuals.

>>738749869
I agree with you. I just found Disco a little boring, personally.

>>738749957
>doesn't answer the question
>uses the reddit word
I see...

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>>738749869
/thread

>>738749853
>>738744017
dude attached images of authors and quotes to add weight to his replies lmfao

this may be the most tryhard pseud thing I've seen on /v/ in months, congratulations. you can't be older than like, 19 years old tops

>>738750391
>doesn't refute my objective observation
>uses the reddit excuse
I see...

>>738750810
>believes an opinion about a person he doesn't know to be an "objective" observation
>*still* hasn't answered the question he tried to divert attention from my formulating his own question afterwards
I see...

>>738719547
Thanks for the reminder.
My old, old, really old PC would always crash during the climax of the game, and I had to read about the the ending online.
Now I can actually play the damn thing to completion.

Maybe this time I'll have Cujo instead of Kim make it to the end.

>>738742025
You're better off just reading it. The addition of voices in de was pointless.

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>>738748710
>no one

anons, its so dry in here..

>>738719547
>all evidence points to black bitch being the murderer
>just kidding, it was the white man!
>unironically pulls a leftists can't meme by pulling a "sure, socialism is bad, but it's better than the alternatives"
But it has some striking portraits and makes faggots who failed philosophy 101 feel smart.

>>738748710
The voices kill the flow of the game when you could read faster than the narration.

>>738751835
absolutely brain dead take. I can read anime subtitles faster than the characters speak, so what?

>>738751815
The initial suspects are the hardy boys because of the port cable used as a rope and their bootprints all fresh under the body.
Ruby is the obvious red herring the second you learn about her.
But if you really pay attention you can see evidence of the Deserter taking potshots all around Martinse and having to make supply runs to the city. Lilienne's Twins will outright tell you they go to visit him sometimes.
Regardless if you look hard enough you can find vague motive for most of the townfolk to kill the merc.

>>738752992
why are you replying to obvious bait, he got multiple things wrong. gardener girl is never the prime suspect for starters

>>738741748
Not systems-based. Your agency is still highly constrained because you’re at the mercy of what the game designer had the foresight to include. In an FPS, you can run around and shoot bad guys however you please, and the interlocking systems are robust enough to account for all possible permutations.

>>738754893
intellectually dishonest reply. outside of immersive sims and highly focused systems based games, there is no more agency in your average fps than disco elysium.

yeah you can shoot anywhere, so what? it's like saying you can click anywhere in disco elysium. in your fps, if the effect on the enemy is the same (they take damage, maybe more in the head, they die when their health hits zero) and the loop is just killing more of those guys en masse, it is not "systems based". in most games your agency is still constrained because, say, the only destructible objects are the ones the devs had the foresight to make so.
>and the interlocking systems are robust enough to account for all possible permutations
fucking lmao, what alternate universe are you from where every or even most fps are that well designed? I want to go there. games like deus ex, dishonored etc. are the exception and not the norm and your whole post is disingenuous because you are grasping to shit on disco elysium

>>738755394
You're just a retard.

In Disco Elysium, a dialogue can have maybe three branches if the developers are feeling generous. But in an FPS, a firefight can play out in essentially infinite ways. Maybe I take cover behind this wall and shoot, or maybe I choose the desk to the left of me instead. Maybe I shoot but miss because the enemy AI ducked or something. And so on and so forth.

It’s not limitless freedom. Obviously. That is not the amazing point you think it is, but there is a meaningful difference between the two.

>>738756235
that's your definition of infinite ways? that's the level of player agency youre defending?
by that logic if NPCs in de wandered around completely randomly throughout the day the game could play out in infinite ways because you never can accurately predict where you have to go or who you have to talk to. would that improve the game? absolutely not

different games have different goals, you think you sound smart by pointing out surface level traits but are missing the forest for the trees

>>738720635
If you read books you'll understand vidya has normally shit writing
DE has better writing than most vidya, which was what OP said, but compared to books its nothing special

>>738756506
see >>738749869

>>738756506
It is a superficial observation, from Gilgamesh to today there are perhaps 30 books that are truly masterpieces of humanity, the rest is genre entertainment, which is fine, maybe the average video game (not DE) is worse because a video game is much more expensive and complicated to make compared to a book, therefore they are usually much more tied to commercial constraints, however those exceptions like DE or PST are not entertainment, they are a moral inquiry that I do not believe pale in comparison to those 30 books

>>738756473
I don't care for your derision. What you call surface level is a whole lot more player agency offered than your glorified novel. Disco Elysium is simply not a video game.

>>738749869
>single film's writing will never be as good as the best literature
Because movies are 2 hours long, meanwhile a book has much more time to explore the themes, but videogames can do the same

>>738756946
>disco elysium does not have as much action and split second decision making as a typical first person shooter
>it is in fact, quite heavy on the prose!
congrats on your riveting observations anon. do you want a medal?
everybody who likes disco elysium already knows this. they don't like it because it's more or less of a video game. they like it because it's disco elysium.

when people talk about film they don't say 12 Angry Men is less of a movie because it takes place entirely in one almost featureless room that never changes and is just guys talking. imagine if smug "critics" thought saying "this is closer to a book than Terminator 2" amounted to good analysis. and yet, it's considered by many to be one of the best films ever made.
you are operating on a pathetically low level of critical thinking, the kind of discoursr you only see from middle schoolers and video game fans who have consumed one too many slop video essays.

>>738756506
RPGs are glorified choose your own adventure books

>>738757486
>the kind of discoursr
Minor spelling mistake detected
Bend over

>>738757519
How long would be a complete book version of PST? 3000 Pages?

>>738757486
Thanks, bro, but a more apt analogy would be if someone took Ulysses, converted all the pages into PowerPoint slides, and had thousands of fart-sniffing fans call it an amazing achievement in cinematic storytelling. Video games are an interactive medium, they should strive to maximize player agency by giving players crunchy decisions to make.

>>738757954
Disco Elysium does lean into the strengths of games as a medium a lot, it's just not in the ways (You) like

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>>738748649
The lore of the Dungeons of Fear and Hunger is more involved and prevalent than the lore of Martinaise which basically serves as background dressing, making the setting of Fear and Hunger 1 feel alive and tangible where Martinaise feels more hollow. While the character writing of DE is much more in depth, FH2's character writing blows it out the fucking water with much less. A great example is Olivia, her character writing extends into her own gameplay, making a very satisfying ludonarrative playing experience.

>>738758083
By having you listen to 30 minutes of inner monologuing every time you clicking on an object? Right

>>738758271
You know its a shame that the "gameplay" sucked. They should have taken the hint like the devs of de and not even bother. De is a better experience because of it. Maybe the next one.

>>738758274
>reductive replybait
I accept your concession

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>>738759163
I don't think the gameplay of either FH or DE sucked, FH is kinda like a brutal puzzle game that's disguised itself as a turn based rpg which I find to be entertaining enough, and the gameplay of DE is to experience and interact with the story, and it's a pretty good story. Just not as good as the story FH is telling through it's two games.

>>738719846
It's really good. Just a bit too many flowery meandering options sometimes. And a lot of the lore could have been cut out of the game as it only served to drown you in even more text and superflous concepts. I recommend people play it with a low encyclopedia skill.