You WILL learn Japanese.
Don't need to. The spanish translation is good.
>>738725215i WILL wait for the retranslation mod.
>>738725215You can't learn Japanese.
>>738725301That's just an AI translation, which only proves that AI is good enough that no one can tell.
>>738725380It’s literally fucking impossible if you don’t start as a baby.
>>738725471It's difficult, but not impossible. The language is solved, so you can learn it, but it's very different from English.
>>738725380Why you can’t? I learned N5 in 1 year alone just online and i am 30.
>>738725627Stop. You know nothing.
>>738725812He knows about 800 words, 100 kanji, and 60 grammar structures. That's GMI territory.
I really should. Is there some newer stuff worth learning from or is it the usual stuff that gets linked from /jp/
>>738725945N5 passing score is ~45%
>>738725380True
>>738725945What is GMI?
>>738726158Goon Material Index
>>738725995/jp/ stuff is all outdated. Modern LLMs have largely replaced the old teaching materials. For instance, it can perfectly translate and break down the CM text in your picture, teaching you every component.
bros i know learning japanese is fun and all but if you aren't careful you will end up with a cute japanese wife
>>738725450It's more that historically the standards have been so low, that a somewhat okay AI TL is considered good.
>>738726158Good maternal instincts
>>738726158"Gonna Make It." I think it was originally a /fit/ meme.
>>738726197You wish lmaoThey dont like filthy gaijin unless youre a tall white blue eyed chad
why would you learn this dead language when you can just put it in AI lmao???
>>738726242The standards have been low, but AI TL is also very good, since its training material is based off of high quality TLs.
>>738726090A low passing score doesn't necessarily mean he only studied half the words.
>>738726308dude you forgot the part about my blond hair
>>738726308Not reallyI was in japan recently and had to hire an interpreter for a certain tourThe interpreter turned out to be a pretty regular looking American dude of completely average height who moved to Japan, went to a japanese uni, met his future wife while in uni and now they have a kid Dude is living the dream tbqh
>>738726317>need to find the nearest restroom>Sue me mason, toe ret roe gah doh koh desue kah?
>>738726585the japanese invented those restroom signs that the entire world now uses specifically to counter this
It seems impossible to learn the language because there are way too many Kanjis.
>>738726792>it seems impossible to learn English because all of the words are pronounced differently despite being spelled the same
>>738726862Why are you comparing English to Japanese retard? They are completely different langauges.
>>738725215I'm almost 30 and low IQ. There's no chance in hell I could learn Japanese.
>>738726792dude check this out 𱁬
>>738726585I've flown to china, south korea and japan without speaking a word of their languages and I managed to get by without shitting myself.
>>738726792>Americans cant learn kanji but have every brand logo memorized
>>738725215Thanks doc
>>738726964Both of them take memorizing each word to understand how it's pronounced.
>>738726993You don't need IQ, you just need the discipline to go at it every day.
>>738725215Already did. Imagine relying on trannylators on this current day and age. Even MTLs are better.>>738725380>>738725471Skill issue>>738725627Is this a bait or are you just that lazy? Journey to N5 should be much faster. It gets a lot slower from N3 forward.
>>738725995https://learnjapanese.moe/routine/
>>738726993You can do it anon, low iq have nothing to do with learning languages .
>>738726964English, where the alphabet does not represent how it's pronounced so you just have to memorize retarded spellings, yeah why would he do that?
>>738725215>you must learn non-latin language because "tranny game for incel weeb autistic retards"yeah no thanks
>>738727040But if you become fluent enough in english pronounciation you can safely guess how a word is pronounced by reading it. In Japanese if you see a word with a kanji you never seen before you can't know how to pronounce it unless you pull up a dictionary.
>>738725215On it, but gonna have to live in niplnland for at least a year to start getting things. This is suffering
>>738727180Gtfo with English, it's shit and always will. At least JP has kana
>>738726993you can do it anoni believe in you
>>738727180There are no English words that can prepare you to understand how "Colonel" is pronounced
>>738727180You're literally describing every language.
>>738727180kanji that you are less likely to see often tend to have the same or similar reading to other kanji that it shares parts withor they will be written with furigana telling you the reading because japanese people can't always read them either
>>738727180Cough, tough, trough, through, Drew, flew, knew, but sewGhoul, foul, soulLumber, plumberShoe, toeYeah sure
Stick to English guys, i swear the more Japanese you learn the crazier and harder it gets, it’s like the more you learn the less you know.Also most of Japanese online teachers like youtubers..etc are scammers and liars and it already have been exposed.
>>738727180https://files.catbox.moe/hwjb5y.webm
>>738727072>>738727103Bros you don't need to cope for me.... I mean you don't technically NEED IQ but with low IQ your speed of learning is so low there's no point. I could barely manage 5 new cards a day meanwhile high IQ niggas are doing 50-100 new cards a day not to mention all the grammar and shit
>>738727541I'm on N5 PLEASE HELP
>>738727279Spanish is very consistent regarding correlation between written words and sounds... which also creates it's own set of problems ironically
>>738725215やめろおおお
>>738727582Thanks
>>738727615STOP now! Even Genki books and Anki are bullshit.
>>738726242>>738726318AI translation is very good, however editing is needed as always.
>>738727689Why are you being so political?
>>738725995Check out cure dolly on youtube for grammar and use 2k anki deck thats all you need. After 2k you can start mining.
>>738727582Are all other languages like this too?
>>738727757>AI translation is good you just need an actual translator to still do 90% of the work kek
I'm a self respecting white man so I won't.
>>738727615That's okay most people don't speak above N3 in daily conversation, you'll make it
>>738727615cool sounds like its time for you to start readingmanga is fine but if you are strong enough then you can jump right into books
>>738727861Games and literature contain tons of obscure words. Good luck reading them with N3 level.
>>738727813More like you only need some prompt monkey to paste it in lmao
The percentage of foreigners in Japan is low, like 3% of the population are gaijin and not all of them know Japanese.
>>738727689Is that the japanese for "end fascism"?
>>738727813Wrong, an editor needs to English fluently, no other language is needed.
>>738727792No. Japanese is phonetically consistent with kana for example but kanji has different readings.
>>738727585most people who do that many new cards a day are not actually learning them and end up getting swamped once the reviews come back to bite them
>>738728004Thats fine for a rewrite not an actual translation.
>>738727987so just look them up in your J-J dictionary
>>738727784>Mine word I see once >Review it dozens and dozens of times>Never see the word ever again What a waste of time
>>738728138>just use Japanese you don't understand to learn Japanese you don't understandGenius, anon.
>>738727987That's really not that big of an issue with modern setups you can OCR and look up a word in 2 seconds. And a lot of the words used will repeat so you'll pick them up eventually anyway
>>738728138Then you'll be looking at dictionary a lot. That won't be fun. You need a lot more than just N3 level of words to have an enjoyable time. I've been there.
>>738727861>>738727861ありがとうがんばるね!
>>738728108The editor can paste the original bits that need rework into a LLM and see the thoughts of why it was translated like that, its actually far better than trying to talk to a new translator who can't explain shit.
>>738728108The "translator" overseeing an AI translation would comparatively need a much lower level of skill to do the same job, though the AI can theoretically also explain nuance and idiom to a non-speaker.
>>738727932>actually telling someone to start reading at N5
>>738727932Thanks anon I will. Also AI has been absurdly helpful
>>738728289> look up a word in 2 secondsMeanwhile the word appears for 0.4 seconds and if you do anything you miss on everything that comes next
>>738728438Name one game that does this
The dragonbaby were so incompetent they didn't just add woke shit and zoomer slang there. They literally fucked up ids/keys and swapped some lines around. If you are playing with official translation you not only get subpar experience, but some dialogues will just not make any sense. This is only an issue with english translations, all other languages seem fine.
>>738728295personally i enjoyed powering through light novels at the sonic speed of one page per hour
>>738728498Anything with cutscenes that you can't pause
>>738725215
>>738728520>all other languages seem fineYou don't speak Spanish otherwise you would notice how trash is the translation
>>738725995>is it the usual stuff that gets linked from /jp//jp/ is just shitposting and bullshit.Go to >>>/int/djt>>738725471That's wrong on many levels.If you start it as an adult you can learn faster than a baby because you can leverage your intelligence to use more efficient methods than bruteforce. You just need time and motivation.
>>738728572Hmm doesn't seem like there's a game called that.
>>738728412Reading starts at level N5 yes.
>>738728520to be fair ive seen actually competent translation houses make some bad switcheroos with the keys before
>>738725471Learning a language as a baby is way harder
>>738728715>If you start it as an adult you can learn faster than a baby because you can leverage your intelligence to use more efficient methods than bruteforce. You just need time and motivation.nah i learnt english naturally through the family computer and the internet as a young teen and compared to trying to learn japanese now as an adult it's night and day. shit was 10x easier and faster back then
>>738728850>Baby = young teenOk pedo
>>738728715>>738728794yeah its so hard that every single baby ends up speaking their mother tongue
>>738728905kek
>>738728850That's because Japanese is further from English that whatever language you were coming from.Guarantee you you'd be struggling with Japanese as a young teen just as much as today.
>>738728973How many polyglot babies do you know
>>738728973*BTFOS* you
>>738729037slavshit languages are pretty damn different from english its not as big of a difference as japanese but the gap isn't so massive that english would be 10x easier just because of that
>>738729037My asiatic language is closer to Japanese than it is to English and learning Japanese as an adult was way harder than learning English as a child.
>>738726993>>738728850I started learning Japanese at my 30th birthday, and now ~9 months in I am N5.This is actually my second attempt. First was when I was ~18yo and I was filtered by kana so hard I gave up after 3 weeks. I thought I am total ngmi and now after 10 years of smoking weed daily my brain will definitely not hold on any new knowledge. And despite all that, just because I was bored and decided to give it another try, I just did it and it worked. I just had to find different method than writing down kana which was what everyone recommended to me, and I managed to learn it in like 2 weeks. And then it all just clicked from there. A grammar book, anki for words, trying to read some stuff online or watch videos in Japanese. Now I'm looking into some simple manga or VN to start with immersion.You can do it.>i learnt english naturally>compared to trying to learn japanese now as an adult it's night and dayThat's because your original language is mostly likely much more similar to English than to Japanese. With Japanese you need to learn a fundamentally different way of composing words and sentences, on top of all the kana and kanji autism which is completely alien to western people.
>>738727256Colon
>>738727279Not really, a lot of languages have near phonetic spelling
>>738729324>I managed to learn it in like 2 weeksKana take 2 hours to learn, though.
>>738729215>>738729319Your "slavshit" and "asiatic" languages don't have an extremely complicated logosyllabic writing system.
>>738729440Cool story
>>738729440Takes a tad longer than that.
>>738729373>koe linversus>kurr null
>>738729465>Extremely complicated Nigga it's just 2200 characters, many with multiple pronunciations, how is that any complicated. You're just being a drama queen
>>738729589True, true. Thankfully it's just 2200 *encounters jinmeyou* characters. How hard could it *author uses hyougaiji* b-ACK
>>738729465And Japanese doesn't have extremly complicated conjugation.Still, English is closer to this than japanese imo.
>>738729324Good work Anon Keep at it
>>738729836How's that different from authors using rare English words
>>738725215Literally impossible if you work more than 40 hours/week
You will never learn Japanese, even if you are N1.
>>738730051>if you work more than 40 hours/weekwhy even live at that point
>>738730051Nobody but poorfags work that much and if you're such a poorfag why are you even learning japanese
I'm incapable of learning any other languages thoughbeit
>>738729849what the FUCK
>>738725215>This localization is based!Okay, but why? You DO understand the differense , between an localization and an translation , right ?>Is bad because ... it just is !Well , o.k. then .
>>738728973It's not hard to learn any language if you can afford to spend several years doing nothing but listening 24/7 to two people who keep saying simple stuff to you.
>>738729849Reminds me of attic greek
>>738730552Are you crazy?
>>738730619How do you think babies learn their language? They can't use Anki.
>>738729849True, its conjugations are easy, but a lack of prepositional phrases paired with high-context, almost backwards sentence structure makes for a very hard to understand language.
>>738730538Translation is the umbrella term. Localization exists within translation, as a tool to better get across the meaning/intended experience. >Is bad becauseRead the patch notes
>>738730051There are 168 hours a week. Say you sleep 7 hours a day, for an additional 49 hours along with work. You still have 79 hours to learn Japanese every week.
>>738730023You can at least attempt to read those "rare English words," since they're spelled phonetically. Pre-OCR and AI boom, looking up kanji was a nightmare.
>>738730654Really fucking slowly. Babies are retarded.
Is the game playable in english yet?
>>738730073Post N1 score.
>>738730819I mean being able to sound out jeremiad won't magically tell you what the fuck it means
>>738730538Yup.Translation: [JP word] > [English word]Localization: [JP word] > "End fascism"
>>738725471Good thing I'm a manbaby
>>738730853Yet they learn Japanese faster than average JSL
>>738730880It's always been playable if you have no standards.
>>738726792The kanji consist of a fairly small amount of radicals. Still more letters than English, but nowhere near as much as you might think.
>>738728973their hours invested dwarf any autodidactic language learners and it doesnt even come close.you have a cargo cult level understanding of how learning languages works.
>>738731036They don't "invest" hours into learning language. They don't even think about it. They just learn it naturally and effortlessly.t. language teacher
>>738730980It takes first grade JP children a year to learn 80 kanji and 2nd graders a year for the next 160. After that is 200 300 per year. I know like 100 already and I've just been drawing kanji in my free time and doing Anki. I've been learning Japanese for like 3 months.
>>738731108because they are forced to be exposed to it at all times, retard.teachers keep confirming that they are the biggest morons.
>>738730783>what is eating shitting, etc etcLemme break it down >8 hours of sleep>10 hours of work>2 hours of commute >1 hour of eating and shitting >1 hour of chores>2 hours of spending time with the missus Workdays are already gone >8 hours of sleep>4 hours of chores>4 hours of taking the missus out >1 hour of eating and shitting >2 hours of socializing So that leaves 4 hours on Sunday. That's it for the whole week.
>>738725215but i am
>>738730952It offers etymological clues, unlike most of the rare words you encounter in Japanese. For instance, if I see "jeremiad," my first thought goes to the name Jeremiah. If the context is talking about a literary work being "jeremiad," then I'll know it's related to the prophet who wrote the longest book in the bible about the destruction of Israel.
>>738725995This game solved the early grind, literally just play this game 15 mins a day. Teaches you hiragana, katakana, a few hundred kanji, grammar, vocabulary, verb and adj conjugation, etc all with really good exercises and conversation practice. If you dont like it just go through a genki book and make flash cards or something>>738726993You and I are the same age bro theres people older than us and dumber than us who have been able to learn new languages. We can do it
>>738731250you mean like kanji radicals
>>738731193How does that counter what i just said idiot? They don't "learn" it in the same way that adults do. You can't even compare it. Its called language acquisition and its an unconscious process.
>>738731250I mean that's cool and all but you still won't know what the fuck it actually means without looking it up
>>738730956>[JP word] > [English word]The issue with this is that language too complicated to just swap around words. That will alter the meaning. That doesn't mean you have a carte blance to do>[JP word] > "End fascism"There's a reasonable middle-ground that people who are bad at their jobs want to pretend doesn't exist.
>>738729849bullshit image, some of these aren't even used or are gramatically correct
>>738731306The radicals aren't like letters, though. Knowing the radical system often won't give you insight on the pronunciation or etymology.
>>738731378>Knowing the radical system often won't give you insight on the pronunciation or etymology.
>>738730221Because OP told me to.>>738730783I usually work around 60 hours a week, last week I worked more than 100 hours though.
>>738731372>The issue with this is that language too complicated to just swap around wordsIt's not. Swapping words is exactly how you translate, save for idioms which may require phrase-for-phrase translation.
>>738731450So at the very least, you still have 10 hours a week to learn Japanese, which is more than enough
>>738730515To be honest, even native poles use wrong conjugations every now and then, especially when drunk, tired or stupid. Some mistakes are so prevalent they eventually got included in the official language.>>738730980Not if you consider the amount of hours spent learning it(including immersion).
here are the JLPT examshttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LBMkmeL9OuTzuSf043Mtw_Y2vvVx5LML
>>738731432Yes, that's what I said. The radical system was created for indexing kanji in a dictionary. It's not an alphabet. At best, it's a writing aid.
>>738731321>They don't "learn" it in the same way that adults doYeah. Because adults can use their intelligence and knowledge to learn it in much more productive way than spending thousands of hours bruteforcing it via exposure.
>>738731487I dunno I feel like considering a baby overhearing it's parents talk while it eats as active learning hours is a bit disingenuous
>>738731376Which one?
>>738731593That's exactly how its learning, though.
>>738731485>just don't have any other hobbies broNah, fuck that shit
>>738731593That's literally immersion.
>>738731321yeah man if I were to put an adult into the same environment he would totally not outpace the babby.
>>738731661>>738731693Okay if merely being exposed to the language is learning then every anime watcher has thousands of hours of "learning" Japanese under their belts. And most of them know less Japanese than a Japanese kindergartner
>>738731568Yet babies learn it effortlessly, unlike adults. Contrary to what you claim as them tryharding for thousands hours. Unlike adults, they will perfect the language. With adults there will always be mistakes, whether it be pronunciation or grammar because they keep thinking in their first language. Look up critical period hypothesis.
>>738731824None of those hours are actual exposure. There is no attempt to comprehend the babbling by the viewer, they read subtitles instead.
>>738731824The anime watcher is actively tuning out the Japanese by reading the subtitles. The baby is, in fact, learning by listening as that's the only language it can begin to understand.
>>738731939>>738731968>noooo doesn't count I accept your concession
>>738731862That hypothesis is literal gibberish written by retards.Nothing is stopping adults becoming fluent. The reason they generally don't become fluent is because you reach a point at which you are functionally understood and can understand, and you stop improving. Kids get corrected, nobody corrects the 50 year old guy telling them that he feels like going sleepy now.
>>738732023The anime watcher is simply not forced to engage with the language. He can treat it like babble, whereas the baby has only the Japanese to contend with.
>>738732064they also do not immerse themselves in the same environment.russian migrant fucktard at work keeps watching shitty russian videos instead of working when I advised him to watch local language media or at least put up subtitles to passively absorb it better.
>>738731862>Yet babies learn it effortlessly, unlike adults.see this, THIS is what gets me man when i was learning english it just came naturally with little to no active effort. i didn't have to do fucking flashcards. i didn't have to read fucking grammar books. i didn't have to look up motherfucking pitch accents. it just happened naturally and most importantly it was FUNas an adult you have to actively fight for every single tiny gain. that natural effortless learning is gone, replaced by tedious hammering through grueling, active repetition that makes watching paint dry seem enjoyable
>>738725450is that true or are you just fucking around
>>738725215今私は学生の日本語です嫌い漢字
i played Advanged VG 2 recently, it's not translated. im not really studying japanese or anything but most of the dialogue was voiced and generic anime speech so i think i understood most of it any other JP only games that i can mostly understand with very basic japanese skills?
>>738732297100% true. You can check the credits. All non-Asian translations were handled in-house with a single Japanese supervisor.
>>738732347you did do that on purpose right
>>738732219>>738731862this is all a lie. Babies are subject to the language 24/7 from their parents and everything around them. And they still take multiple years until they speak properly (not just mamma pappa)
>>738732347こんにちは日本語。こっちはたかし。頑張ってください。
I don’t know if I’ll ever get fluent but I enjoy slowly going through my vidya in japanese with a dictionaryI’ve been playing Battle Network 4 lately
>>738732591i really hope you're not looking shit up manually anon there are better ways now
>>738732401I doubt you understood any of it. Here's a random line from the game. Tell me what you think she's saying.https://voca.ro/16e0xG3p4QKh
>>738732591yomininja 0.93 is your friend
>>738725380>>738725471there is no one (1) single reason to learn Japanese, if you need to do business English is more than enough, or you can learn Mandarin if you need to so extra business.
>>738729324but why?
>>738732723imagine being so thoroughly JEW'd that the only reason you can think of for doing anything is shekels
>>738725215I am learning Japanese. I will not stop talking about the atrocious fucking job vandal - I mean "localizers" are doing
>>738732219>i didn't have to read fucking grammar books.If you had you would start your sentences with capital letters and end them with full stops.
>>738725215tranny coded "game"
>>738731629grajcieżgrajmyżgrana, as in "gra była grana", a game was played, nobody talks like thatgrani, graniach, graniami, graniom, grań means literall "a ridge", nobody uses it in context of gamesniegrańniegraniomniegraniamiall these are not used by any normal person, they are(?) technically gramatically correct but it's bullshit, language noone usesalso this whole chart is misleading, it's like "look how much conjugation there is!" but in reality you can easily do shit like switching between male/female form or whatever if you know some basic rules, likegrałem > grałamspałem > spałamśpiewałem > śpiewałamand so on
>>738731824You will also start to pick up Japanese if you spent thousands of hours watching anime with no subtitles where they baby talk simple stuff to you and react every time you succeed in saying mama and papa.>>738731862>Yet babies learn it effortlesslyThey literally invest dozens of thousands of hours of their time to accomplish this.
>Just finished learning hiragana guys, now let me tell you how Japanese is.
>>738725215It's impressive how they permanently killed all the western discussion about the game the same day it released.
>>738732698i dont actually know japanese man, it's easier to guess what's going on with the context of the game and the cutscenes i guess she's saying something like "the takeuchi yuka i know wouldnt do this. why/what happened?"
>>738732778Because I want to play untranslated games, understand untranslated songs and ultimately, write some Japanese lyrics myself for my wife to sing.
>>738732439https://mantra.co.jp/enMan, this is kinda disappointing nglI guess still better than getting some shitty ai fan translation
>>738733157>>738732698what does she actually say i'm curious
>>738732439I bet they regret not doing this with English aswell now.
>>738732698>a skill of this level, takeuchi yuuka i know, easily [something]. why? why do you say this?i think. i'm not very good
>>738728520I speak two languages other than English in this picture and god damn EN is some real fanfic shit. I don't speak JP but the other two languages seem to more or less match up with each other
>>738733291>この程度の技。。私の知ってるたけいちゆうかなら簡単に*にきってい*のは。なぜ?なぜなのいうか?I am not sure what she is actually saying between asterisks but thats what i'm hearing.
I'm trying to learn french so I can live in luxembourg
>>738733157Like I thought, you missed most of it.>>738733291>>738733542>The Yuka Takeuchi I know would've easily seen a move like that coming. Why? Why didn't you, Yuka?
>>738732795A lot of people legitimately don't have souls. Don't feel bad for them, they weren't alive to begin with.
>>738727081I've read the part about just raw listening without subtitles on this site before and it does help. I've crutched on reading subs for stuff for a long time and forcing my brain to actually listen to the words properly helps a lot. I started just listening to random vtubers in the background while at work to just keep myself listening to the language.
>>738725215I'd rather cut my uterus out!
>>738733727oh right that scene. yeah i figured that much while playing the game, as i said the context and the visuals help
いいえ。「使った例文を教えて下さい。」>>738732543 #どうぞよろしく, たかしさん。すみません!
>>738733727Thanks Man reading is so much easier than listening
>>738733589>luxembourgMight as well learn Hindi or urdu instead
>>738732723nigger you don't even know englishcommas don't work like that
>>738733780>listening to jap the background that doesn't really work, does it
How do i git gud at rhytm games
>>738733872why would you say that anon-dono?
>>738733843I mean, it's *technically* the harder of the two skills, but it allows you to visualize and disambiguate the things you're both hearing and also might never have seen.
>>738733727fucking hell i was so far off
>>738733950Definitely not harder for Japanese with Kanji. It feels harder because people focus on reading much more than listening.
>>738733057>grajcież>grajmyżhttps://sjp.pl/grajcie%C5%BChttps://sjp.pl/grajmy%C5%BCThese are archaic plural imperative forms for 3rd person and 1st person. You can find them in books.>grana, as in "gra była grana", a game was played, nobody talks like thatMost of the time you use that in perfective mood, but this is also a valid form.>grani, graniach, graniami, graniom, grań means literall "a ridge", nobody uses it in context of gameshttps://sjp.pl/graniFor example: "Oni są grani przez tych samych aktorów".>you can easily do shit like switching between male/female form or whatever if you know some basic rulesThe point is that there is a lot more rules about that than in Japaanese.
>>738734048Yes, exactly.
>>738733932It's a tiny bit of extra immersion it won't make much of a difference and you definitely can't learn just from that but it's better than nothing
>>738733475That's because the EN translation is mismatched. It was supposed to go here I think.
>>738733932It definitely helped me to get used to the speed at which normal people talk. It's a lot faster than compared to an audiobook and if you're learning you can pick up on how words are used casually.Just make sure you don't completely zone it out to background noise.
Is this rate of demoralization posts also present in learn to code and learn to draw threads?
mtl tools are already advanced enough to translate simple stuff to the point of being 95% accurate in 5-10 years it will be even better.
>>738734082did you miss when i said nobody normal uses those in regular spoken language?>The point is that there is a lot more rules about that than in Japanese.i will argue the rules are easier to understand for a westerner. tell you what, tell me what do those 2 words mean, separately, in polish>każdy>dzieńnow put them next to eachother? >każdy dzieńmakes sense? now do the same in japanese, tell me what these two kanji mean and how would you speak pronounce them out loud>今>日and now put them together, tell me what it means and how to pronounce it
>>738734374yeah probably much worse actually
>>738734374Yes, crabs are everywhere. No matter what you try to do crabs will try to drag you down
>>738734378It's closer to 98-99% accurate on even advanced stuff.
>>738725471children take like 10 years to learn how to speak like an adult can, arguably up to 18 years in some cases. you can learn a language in like 2 years. yeah you won't be as fluent as a native speaker but they've got so many years on you that expecting otherwise would be silly. i don't get where this "only children can learn a language" meme comes from, it's totally backwards.
>>738734419>did you miss when i said nobody normal uses those in regular spoken language?Why does that matter if they are valid forms and you can find them in books or in specific regions? "grajmyż" is especially common, my friend would often speak "no grajmyż już" for example.Anyway you claimed that they are incorrect, but that's just plain wrong. Just check a dictionary.>i will argue the rules are easier to understand for a westerner. tell you what, tell me what do those 2 words mean, separately, in polishJapanese rules are not difficult either. The point is that there is so much less of them.>>każdy>>dzień>now put them next to eachother?>>każdy dzień>makes sense? now do the same in japanese, tell me what these two kanji mean and how would you speak pronounce them out loud>>今>>日>and now put them together, tell me what it means and how to pronounce itThat's not conjugation.
>>738731520>problem 12, 4, 1, 2, 2, 3, 1, 2, 2, 3did i get it right?
>open japanese thread>two anons arguing about polish kek i love /v/ sometimes
>>738725215You overestimate me
>>738734709>Why does that matter if they are valid forms and you can find them in books or in specific regions?because the dude that put them there did so to show people how supposedly terribly complex the language is, while ommmiting the fact that some of those aren't even used by normal people. it's like those people who say "dude japanese is impossible to learn, they have 20 thousand letters!", which is obvious bullshit>Anyway you claimed that they are incorrecti sais nobody normal uses them, are you daft?>That's not conjugation.whatever nigger, answer the question
>>738733092>westernNot everyone is american, retard
>>738734994Those places are not relevant at all though?
>>738734905>because the dude that put them there did so to show people how supposedly terribly complex the language isPolish conjugation is one of the hardest in the world.>i sais nobody normal uses them, are you daft?>>738731376>some of these aren't even used or are gramatically correct
>>738735020Those places are making the only good vidya out there
>>738725215>learn Japanese>for a rhythm gameLmaoI played original Taiko no Tatsujin games and untranslated pop'n music releases since I was 12 and never felt the need for itget to my level scrub
>>738735104okayand then i said nobody normal uses them. which i have been saying in every post. nobody uses them. they are gramatically correct, but nobody uses them>Polish conjugation is one of the hardest in the world.sure. how does this refute my point? also>still doesn't answer my question
>>738735186>
>>738725471スキル問題
>>738725215You WILL play real rhythm games.
>>738725215I'm surprised there isn't a program you can run while playing a game that uses AI to translate text
>>738731520Thanks for sharing, would be nice if it was on mega so it didnt need a google account to access
>>738735201>TaikoSideways rhythm games like Taiko and Muse Dash just don't work with my brain compared to regular top down rhythm games. I really should try to learn how to play properly but it's super hard trying to get used to them
>>738735504There were MTL translations released for this game like 3 days after release.
>>738735292I accept your concession
>>738735601NTA, and I enjoy rythm games, even the ones that diverge from top down falling notes like OSU or ADOFAI, but I always sucked balls in Taiko. Idk what is it about it, but it never clicked for me. I always struggle hard and not enjoy it at all.
>>738735504you can just use yomininja or some other grabber
Seeing a sentence full of words you don’t know feels bad, but it’s even worse when you know all of the words but still don’t know what the sentence means
>>738725215Why did they plagerize henya/pikamee?
>>738725215I don't need to learn Japanese to jerk off
>>738726158Sorry anon, you're NGMI
>>738725450>>738726242>>738728707Are we talking about the Latin American or Spain Spanish translation?
>>738736109>but it’s even worse when you know all of the words but still don’t know what the sentence meansIKTF
>>738731520There used to be a site that had exams from past years that you could take, was it shut down?
>>738736245Who
so is the game actually a good rhythm game
>>738738526rhythm game?
>>738736109I don't mind the compound characters in hirigana, but the subscript ゃ/ゅ/ょs are barley smaller to the point where my brain doesn't even detect it. Is this normal?けやけゃ
>>738727180you can guess how most kanji are pronouned via their radical componentshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfAjdBj-p8U
>>738739386*にゃ
>>738739386Wait until you get to シツンソリノ人入.You will get used to it anyway.Also consider using djt kana game instead of duolingo. Duolingo is not that bad but kana game is just so much faster without all the stupid animations.https://web.archive.org/web/20220326112101/https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/kana.htmlAlso my modified version that repeats most often mistaken symbols and automatically introduces new symbols as your mistakes drop: https://kanji.funmaker.moe/kanaI would recommend against using duolingo after learning kana. It's really shitty app and makes you barely learn anything. Check out /djt/ for better resources.
>>738728412you should start reading right away and build your vocab from it. don't try to absorb contextless words from some premade deck
>>738739386A lot of the times in manga I feel like you just have to infer that the kana are smaller just from context because there’s barely a size difference
>>738725215Imagine the paizuri...
>>738740040Thank you. Someone in /djt/ recced it and I've been using that kana game to good effect, haven't touched much else of it though. I got a cracked Duolingo, let's me play as long as I want, but I will explore your links more, especially your recced fine tune. すみません!
>>738740623Even cracked duolingo(you don't even need to crack it. Just make a classroom and get infinite hearts) is pretty bad choice. It's just much more efficient if you use something like Anki and pair it with some grammar book/videos.
>>738740040If you wanna play the original you can use https://djtguide.neocities.org/kana/ instead of the archive.Also for シツンソ what helped me out a lot is paying attention to which ends of the lines are in a horizontal line (mostly)
>>738729324>~9 months in I am N5That's impossible, N5 takes way longer. What are you doing?
>>738731297My problem is that I already know stuff and all this learning from 0 resources are boring as hell till I get to my level. I'm doomed
>>738740231>私は。。。>nice i got- FUCK what is this next word? >looks it up>alright nex->shit i don't know this one either>okay と i know- wait what the fuck is this grammar point >30 minutes later, still in chapter 1 yeah great plan >inb4 just read read shit for toddlers those are less fun AND less effective than grinding anki
>>738740939I just think of them as faces and remember シ and ン are looking up and ツ and ソ are looking down.
>>738732347This is wrong isn't it? Or am I retarded? Nigongo no gakusei should be the right order?
>>738741191you have start somewhere. the beginning sucks no matter what you do, but the guy learning words with context will outpace the ankidrone every time, even if the drone has a much higher iq
>形容動詞 means "adjective verb">They're nounsWHY JAPANESE PEOPLE
>>738741250My brain can't parse it that way, maybe it's faceblindness
>>738740778ah, I see. fair enough. hey, regarding your modified version, I'm trying it out now and it will call capital roman letters incorrect, only lowercase is considered correct although the other version would allow capitals. Would be awesome if you could fix that, though not impossible for my phone's keyboard as I could disable auto-capitals. But figured it would be constructive cristism. Otherwise, it's based so far! Thanks again.
>>738741423>you have start somewhereyeah, anki and genki.
>>738725215Unironically this game is not that hard to understand in jap if you have already a N3 levelMost of the lingo you need to understand it is mid 2000s net lingo and 2ch memesif you are on your early 30s and have been here (or on 2ch) since you were on your teens you can understand this game
>>738741547>Japanese is easy to understand if you know Japanese Any more groundbreaking insight, Cpt. Obvious?
>>738741663Not that anon, but N3 is not knowing Japanese. You'd just barely struggle to understand anime aimed at kids with that level and even a lot of Shounen anime would just be white noise to you
>>738741532some people have to learn the hard way
>>738741746(You)
>>738741832He is right thoughever
>>738741663I didn't say thatI said that a basic, BASIC, conversational level of japanese (N3) + knoledge of memes and anime from the 2000s is enough. All the hard words on this game is over the top complex jap lingo that was made to be over the top complex because they were stupid easy things to explain and the nerds wanted to be specialLike 絶対領域 you know what this means, even if you have never ever seen these kanji together or know what they mean on their own, because their ACTUAL meaning means jack shit to the meme meaning and that is the meaning this game is using
Im too old
>>738741992you'll be lost if you don't know a bunch of political vocab
>>738733924I'm pretty sure you need to capitalize the word English and you must put a comma after the word nigger, you dumb nigger.
>>738741389the other guy called me out for it, I think you're right. The only times I've truly used の like that is attributing possession to someone's belongings. >私の靴so I struggle to consider the proper possessor-possessed relationship properly.
>>738742134You're just too lazy
djt says you cant learn japanese if youre over 25 and/or below 110 iqsorry bros
>>738727180No you cannotYou think you do because you are either a native english speaker or you are an ESL that has been exposed to english for so long that you start to intuit how the stupid spelling of this language works.Hell even American and British kids have difficulty with non common words, some can't even read "oversimplified" correctly and it is not even a hard work, the whole GH bullshit that english has also confuses ELS and younger/dumber native kids too
>>738741389yes it's fucked upthe second part is in the wrong order two
>>738742276No one at /jp/djt/ knows Japanese. Its just a glorified chatroom for N4kuns. /int/ one is decent tho
>>738741389Yes it is, japan uses the same Adjective - Subject interactions as english. a native english speaker would not do that mistake, must be some one from some other language where the interaction is reversed like Portuguese or Spanish
>>738741832N3 is>600 kanji>3.5-4k words>just enough grammar to begin to understand native content, although you're still missing a bunch of common expressionsIt's just about enough to begin immersing provided you accept that you'll have your nose in the dictionary for pretty much anything you decide to watch/read. I didn't feel comfortable even reading an "easy" Visual Novel until I had at least studied triple that amount of kanji
>>738725215Very nice aesthetic, too bad the gameplay looks irredeemably shit and I don't speak nip nor read moon runes, so I have no incentive to buy it.
>Been leaning 日本語 since I was 17>Currently 30>went on and off on studying it for half of my life>Stuck on N3 and speaking like a little kid (can't pass N2 at all)>every guide online I try is either too easy and I get dismotivated or harder than my level and it becomes too hard or noiseI think I have autism and can't crack this without forcing muyself to just speak this damn languageI have a flight booked anyway, so either I starve there or just crutch hard on people knowing a bit of english, either way I think I will have fun on my vacation
>>738742423literally nobody browses the fake djt on /int/ thoits got like 30 posts after a whole 24+ hours
>>738730051
>>738742818That was my original point here >>738741547YunYun is mostly basic jap because Q is dumb and talks like a nerd, her vocabulary is mostly net lingo you should know if you been on 4chan for a decade or more or was a terminally online weeb in the 2000sThere are complex stuff here and there, but with a dictionarry you should get it enough to enjoy it
>>738742950>>738742423I did not know of /jp/'s djt before this thread, only /int/'s, lol.>>738742642>a native english speaker would not do that mistakeI'm American actually...
>>738743179Shit son, you black/poor? because you should know how adjectives work in english, and that is the same shit in japanese
>>738727861>>738741992What Japanese proficiency do I need to go over there to get a job in STEM that my degree is in?
>>738742423>>738742950About 25% of all of the posts on the /jp/ thread are from a single schizo autist who has been pretending to be another one of their regulars for years now, to the point of posting photos of the other guy's wife/mother and passing them off as his own. He's been doing this daily for years, over a hundred posts a dayThere is nothing of actual worth you can extract from a thread with a regular like that in it
>>738743405N1
>>738743405N2 and aboveSanae-chan is putting into law that if you can't crack N2 you will not get a work visa at allGet read to see a bunch of anitube ytbers and vtubers emigrating back from japan because they can't pass N2 and get the boot in the next few years
>>738743284I thought の worked like "of", nor like " 's". I thought I was saying "student of Japanese", and the browser translator I tried double checking with didn't really point out where my error was
>>738743539>if you can't crack N2 you will not get a work visa at allHow are they planning to import infinite jeets then?
>>738743637Jeets don't need visas
>>738743539>>738743528Jesus... My friend went over there a few years ago to do one of those "teach English but in reality you're just the classroom pet" programs, are those going to get axe'd too?
Am I missing something about this question, how is this different from the other ones that require you to insert the correct answer? What is the point of those empty spaces?
>>738743572NiggerJAPANESE is an adjective in English, and if you meant the language, that is still a subject You should have gone for "Japanese Student" becoming Nihongo no SeitoGaku is used when you are still in school or on that age (at least is what my sensei told me years ago)
>>738743836The sentence has four blank spaces. Each word given goes into one spaceThey're specifically asking you to give them the word that appears in the space that has a star in itIt's more involved because you have to be able to figure out the full sentence before you can give the answer
>>738743836You put all the answers to the boxes in the correct order. Its asking you whats the word in the star.
>>738743173wait a second
>>738729440Can confirm kek.
>>738743836>filtered by the very format of the questions based retardyou have to put in all 4 in the correct order and then the final answer is whatever is in the slot with the star
>>738743836Oh that is a classic of the JLPTThe spaces represent part of the sentences that were taken out, you are supposed to pick the one that would be on the start spaceFor example"I ____ _____ _____ __＿”a) Hateb) Fuckingc) Gamesd) VideoWhich one of the above represents the star anon?
>>738725215I WON'T buy your game.
>>738744116But there is no star.
>>738725215>be me learning japanese>going pretty well>start failing college>become depressed >start taking antidepressants >become too numb and fatigued to do anything I dont know how to find the motivation again
>wish i could read all my favorite untranslated doujinshi>ai translators start coming out>finally i can read them>its all the same exact shit as the stuff thats been translated and i wasnt missing anything at allI honest to god dont know what I expected.
>>738743749They will now>>738743637That is the fun part, they are trying to get rid of the mass importation of browns>>738743768Maybe, he will probably get a baito visa instead of a permanent visa>>738744182Fucking 4chan got rid of the star emoji I typed out"I ____ _____ _____ __＿”maybe this will work, if not, it should be the fourth space
>>738744262Jesus fuck, I tried two JIS characters and still didnt work"I ____ _____ _____ __星＿”this HAS to work now
>>738744057>you need to figure out what the author of the question meant
With this, I will finally learn Japanese.
>>738725471you might be retarded
>>738744390>figure outBitch the instructions are written right there in plain japanese These questions start to pop up on N4 and N3, and on both they give you a really obvious example with the answer done for you to intuit it out if your nihongo is that shitFor example"I ____ _____ _____ __星＿”a) Hateb) Fuckingc) Gamesd) VideoWhich one of the above represents the 星 anon?
>>738744595The instruction LITERALLY doesn't say anything about order, it just says "Which of the items goes into the space", which is the exact same as every other prior question.
>>738744250You think that doujin would be a great way to motivate you into learning since you want to know what is happening to keep your dick hard, but now you have to concentrate harder to try to figure out what is happening and your brain tries to cheat on you by looking at the pictures intead of the text and now you are only reading the few katakana moans and nothing else
>learn japanese thread>no one tells you how apart from learn the kanas and ankiAnki is so fucking slow tho. I got a premade deck and learned maybe 100-150 words sure but it took me over month to do so. There is no way thats the most efficient way to learn Japanese. >make your own anki broThis is also slow as fuckWhy would I do this over input and talking with native speakers?It is the best way to learn how to listen and speak Japanese. Which is what actually matters if you are interested in watching anime, visiting Japan, finding a Japanese wife, etc..
>>738725215Post the ultimate guide to inject understanding of the Japanese language into my brain.
>>738744701Yeah its like an IQ test in that sense. You need to have at least 80 to pass JLPT
No one cares if you can read Japanese..I guess it is an important skill, but speaking and understanding is 100x more impressive and much more important in the real world.If you are in a Japanese city, you may need to know how to read the words for Bar, Hotel, Toilet, room number etc.But you know what you will be doing much more? Talking to actual Japanese workers. Knowing how to do this without a horrific accent(something most of you absolutely have) is more important than knowing how to read something like >The short haired girl wanders into the forest to find the potion she was looking forOr some retarded shit like that.If you REALLY like Manga, cool. But it just seems like a huge waste of time to focus on that rather than actually speaking Japanese.
>learn Japanese purely for my own enjoyment>people keep asking how I'm going to use it to earn moneyWhy are people so soulless that they can't even entertain the idea of doing something for pure personal interest?
>>738744748Immersion is the most efficient way to learn a language. It was said multiple times ITT already.Of course you gotta learn some words and grammar before you can even start with immersion.
>>738744748There's three components to Japanese: kanji, grammar and vocabGet a system to learn kanji (most will teach 2k), go over Tae Kim's grammar guide to get a feel for the language and, once you have a decent amount of kanji, get a beginner vocab deck in Anki and grind it (10-15 new words a day at the start)By the time you have a few thousand words and a few hundred kanji learned, you can start reading easier stuff. You keep building up vocab daily and slowly move onto harder and harder stuff until you eventually hit native content
>>738744390yeah it's a bit weird but it should click when you start reading the sentences and realize you can't just shove one word in there
>>738744748Because no one here SPEAKS japanesewe all know just enough to read a bit here and there but no one here is fully fluent and even if there was some one here that is, they probably can't explain how they got to that level
>>738744343Most symbols don't work outside of /int/ and maybe some few other boards.
>>738744949>people keep asking how I'm going to use it to earn moneyWhat's their age?From my experience, zoomers are incapable of having hobbies and all they ever do is motivated by either making money or getting engagment on social media(so they can monetize it).
>>738744949Because making money matters in every single instance of your life because you need money to survive and it can make your life better and learning a language especially Jap is a HUGE opportunity cost if you dont use it to make money.You can use it to translate, you can use it be a teacher, and if you are good enough to get any job in Japan. If you are just learning it to read manga and hentai books or whatever yes that seems like a retarded waste of time.You should learn how to speak and understand Japanese if you want to make money from it.
>>738745142You don't need all of your hobbies to generate money. They're supposed to be things that you enjoy doing
>>738745092Everyone, but especially people 40+.>>738745142Languages are a terrible way to make money, even worse is that practically everyone who asked me why I don't use Japanese to make money already knows I make more money than I can even spend with a cushy as fuck job.
And learning Nip to make money is obviously the play because the west or at least my country (USA) is deteriorating and collapsing in real time and I dont desire to live here and Japan, while being a $1100 plane ticket away, is my best bet. The only downside is Im not fluent enough to get a visa but being there for a few months and making money online somehow is my best hope because I dont want to live in this shit hole anymore.
>>738744745nine times out if ten you can infer what's happening based on the pictures but sometimes i like to know whats being said cuz i like a good narrative in my porn
>>738745142Good goy>>738745248>but especially people 40+.That's strange. My parents and grandparents know like 3+ languages and use only their native. They would never question why would anyone want to learn a new language.
>>738744931>most of you absolutely haveNot me, my sensei drilled that shit into me from day one, to the point that people even ask why I speak so softly jap and normaly loud any other language I know.Because my sensei was an elderly japanese woman who would get angry if I spoke japanese like a dumb american
>>738745142I'm sorry man, you don't have a soul.
>>738744949>hey guys what cool untranslated games have you played recently?>2 replies >you fags I'm better at learning languages than u, watch how fast I can learn languages>2000 replies
>>738745308Same, but it literally kills my boner to drop my cock and grab my dictionary to find out that one kanji I never seen before
>>738744962So immersion okay. But I guess my question is whats the best way to gauge your progress? Lets say I listen to Japanese speakers for an hour every day for a month. How do I know how much progress I have made and what my weaknesses are?>>738745010I appreciate this reply. I will check out Tae Kim. Thank you. But Anki always gives me a headache. Maybe im not doing it right but I have given up on it.>>738745245>>738745248>you dont need hobbies to generate moneyYes I agree..but like I said it’s the opportunity cost. Learning Nip to an actual competent level takes YEARS. Why would you take that and spend it reading some faggot novels, when you can use it to teach or translate or at the very minimum live in the country which is certainly cheaper than where you or I currently live(California USA)?
>>738745142>Hobbies: crypto
>>738745451Sometimes they're kind enough to provide furigana for your fapping pleasure.
>>738745556>Learning Nip to an actual competent level takes YEARS. Why would you take that>what is a hobby
>>738745328>>738745312It’s calling being smart not being a goy.You have accumulated maybe not to full proficiency but accumulated nevertheless and actual decently impressive skill?Put that shit on the resume, tell every employer about it, apply to companies with Japanese influence. Japanese can make your life much better by making you richer.But you use it to read faggot anime books and porn?It is just completely retarded
>>738745675Good goy
after building a decent enough vocab, I read these https://tongari-books.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.htmland now I started reading 本好きの下剋上 with https://reader.ttsu.app, and checking harder sentences/passages with google and deepl, not sure if this part is good in the long run but I feel like I'm getting betterobviously you gotta find someone you enjoy but if you keep putting it off you'll just slow down your learning
>>738745556>when you can use it to teach or translateFor me personally, I don't want to move to Japan. So that just leaves translations, but that takes years to qualify for and also the pay isn't exactly stellarIf you want to make real money from TL, you don't go into media/anime/games, you translate legal documents, safety manuals, etc. Stuff where if you fuck up, you'll end up actually being responsible for it and which requires native level Japanese to translate, but the money is good. I suppose working as an interpreter also generates good money but that also requires quick thinking and people skills, so it's not for everyone
>learn a language with 4000 charactersno that's retarded
>>738745673>learn hobby>You can use this hobby to A. Get job opportunities, Travel, Live in a country with significantly lower cost of living, perhaps find a wife in the process?B. Rot in your room reading faggot booksOh sorry you are a disgusting obese neckbeard so you will choose B. I understand now.Please continue to rot in your room, your genes werent going anywhere else.
>>738745675You're a penniless whining little bitch who probably got fired from every job he ever got and convinced himself it's not his fault and that if he just completed the "impossible task" of learning a language somehow his issues would be resolved. You are beyond saving, I suggest you invest your money in a rope.
>>738745810>>738745730I am sorry that you are upset that I have actual aspirations to do something significant with language learning.You are a loser and will never do anything This projection hits hard, thank you.Continue rotting in your room, masturbating, and dying alone.I will go to Japan and enjoy the time of my life
>>738745775*somethingit's getting latealso I tried reading on my ebook reader but it's not optimal yet
>>738743924>You should have gone for "Japanese Student" becoming Nihongo no Seito>Gaku is used when you are still in school or on that age (at least is what my sensei told me years ago)oh, so I was just taught wrong then. OK, so I am the primary subject, and I am describing myself as a student (生徒) learning the Japanese language (日本語). "Japanese" is the adjective to the subject of "student", and ergo it would be 「私は生徒の日本語です」.Am I getting it?
I see lots of complaining about a digimon reference being removed but no one can tell me what the reference was
>>738735365Those are some big 大福
>>738745810I dont need to tell you to kill yourself either btw, you are clearly doing it for me.Continue reading your porn addict novels.You clearly are living life to the fullest compared to me, yes.>>738745785Any money is good money. Ill fo anything to make money when I learn Japanese, because it is a magnificent skill and would be retarded to pass up any opportunities with it.Of course I would move to Japan. Why wouldnt IThe USA is a brown shithole and there is no future for young people here.Get me out.
Imagine being this upset that people enjoy things.
University starts again in a couple months. Im a CE major, but I think I will take a Japanese class just to immerse myself as much as possible. There is no reason not to
>>738746047No one cares what you do with your Japanese. Why do you care what others do with theirs?
>>738745798>Live in a country with significantly lower cost of livingYou also need to accept that the working culture over there is completely different from the West. If you go in at 9 and clock out at 5, your co-workers will resent you. I'd rather not deal with that>perhaps find a wife in the process?Most Japanese women are not interested in dating foreigners. The ones who are (and aren't whores) expect you to be native level because they're not going to lower themselves to your level. This would be a lot more convincing if you had some actual experience but you're just posting on 4chan, so you end up coming across as one of those failed PUA fags
>>738746095If you enjoy being alone in your room watching porn you are a retard who deserves to be killed since you are probably also on some NEET financing and are taking my tax dollarsIm genuinely in favor of executing loser men, especially ones like you
>he's still replyingDon't get Paris syndrome now
>>738746132Do what you want. Im just calling you a retard. If you dont want to be retarded do non retarded things.You cant prove you arent a loser though. You dont live in any place that shows status, you cant show me you have any money, you cant show me you have an attractive nip wifeIm just saying. You, objectively are a loser.So you want to continue being a loser?What sense does that make?
>>738746178I have a full time job, work from home every second day and read whatever Visual Novels/eroge I want in my spare time, or just watch anime without subtitles and actually enjoy the action. What's your stunning comeback for me?
>>738745987>「私は生徒の日本語です」.is this bait?
>>738745987Don't worry too much about trying to construct your own sentences at this pointThe honest answer here is are you trying to make a sentence for a language class or to talk to Japanese people?私は日本語の生徒です is technically correct but is extremely unnatural日本語を勉強しています is more natural at least, although maybe overly polite. You don't need to say 私, people know you're talking about yourself through context
>>738727784>Check out *tranny*No
>>738745798My country has similar living cost and homogeneity as Japan.
>>738746254Why would i do any of that? What would i gain by proving i have the biggest dick on a random thread on an anonymous forum? I think you are just butthurt people here didn't agree with you so you this is your coping mechanism. Calling everyone losers because we don't care for your aspirations.
>>738746173>co workers resent youThey secretly resent you anyway for being a white(I assume you are white, maybe this is a blunder) tall confident man who had the abulity to fuck their wife if you wanted. If that is truly a concern then there is always remote work. With being fluent in Japanese remote work should not be hard to find>Jap women dont want foreignersMight be true generally sure.But if you are white, keyword WHITE, and TALL, and not hideous. MANY MANY of them will like you, or go crazy over youAre you white and tall? Then you really should go to Japan. Those women really do like tall white men.>>738746293>I know Japanese but spend my free time using watching porn because thats the best way I can think of using my free time. Grim. Are you white? That makes this even more sad.
>>738746554>They secretly resent you anyway for being a white(I assume you are white, maybe this is a blunder) tall confident man who had the abulity to fuck their wife if you wanted.Why are you LARPing like some sort of alpha male when you're an autist screeching about how people spend their own spare time?>Those women really do like tall white men.Mate, only the easy sluts will let you get away with being shit at Japanese. Why don't you actually go over there instead of this weird shitty Johnny Bravo impression>spend my free time using watching pornDo you think all anime is porn? Are you actually retarded?
>>738746554>why yes i learn about japan and japanese people from /intpol/ how could you tell?
>>738746510Cool. Mine doesnt. I live in a shithole snd have been trying to figure out everyway I can to get out. Im going to college to get this degree and once I have it I should have the freedom to live where ever I please. I could technically drop out and move to Japan right now but Im saving up before I even consider that. I just hate where I live. Maybe its just my area because Ive lived in one state for most of my life(USA) but I really want to leave. There is nothing for me here.The point of the degree is so I can make money anywhere I want. Thats what I care about.>>738746745>being shit at JapaneseObviously dont be shit at Japanese.But if you know Japanese and are a tall white man then yes you will have access to any single woman you want. It really is that easy.I think you underestimate how much jap women love white men.
>>738745294Anon please look into Japan's (extremely harsh) immigration laws before you fuck your life up
haha yeah bro I'll do my anki later, I'm just a bit tired right now
>>738746865>But if you know Japanese and are a tall white man then yes you will have access to any single woman you want. It really is that easy.>I think you underestimate how much jap women love white men.Have you ever actually been to Japan? >Obviously dont be shit at Japanese.One of the best things about this is that I'm better than you'll ever be at it but also I use it for what I want, not whatever you wish you could use it for
>>738746474>You don't need to say 私, people know you're talking about yourself through contextI keep forgetting that Japanese is like that. nah, I tried making that statement earlier to practice and just wanted to understand it correctly. Can't learn without trying and getting it wrong, right? Thank you.
>>738746812I can only assume you are non white if you genuinely dont think jap women love tall blonde white men.I dont even care about finding a wife FYI.I plan to fuck prostitutesBut at least im getting actual sex.You are sitting at home jerking your pp off.Sad.
>>738746890And it is about to get harsher>"The preservation of Japanese society matters more than cheap labour.”Based Sanae-chan
>>738745556>you can use it to teach or translateYou can't unless you get extremely lucky. The market is ridiculously oversaturated. >or at the very minimum live in the country which is certainly cheaper than where you or I currently live(California USA)?Anon what the fuck do you not realize you won't be getting Commiefornia pay in bumfuck rural Japan or even in Tokyo
>>738746936>better at meWow you know a couple hundred more words than me thats really impressive dude. How about you actually speak some Japanese if you are so confident?
>>738747068My bad. I forgot Japanese prostitutes only accept 190+ blonde men.
>>738747107I dont give a fuck.I only care about money as a means to an end.I can make $90k doing whatever bullshit work Ill do when I get my degree in California. Then I can save up and move to Japan and live my life on easy mode.
>>738727075people have different paces for a variety of reasons. I'm sure we could all make you feel retarded too for various things. stop being so autistic
>>738747224I mean anyone can get prostitutes. But the best part of being tall and white is that you dont need to.Asian women love white men.Tale as old as time.If you are smart, you will bang a bunch of nip women, then find one to settle with you and impregnate hapa babies with.That should be the goal of most men
>>738726197Japs are dogshit. Most of us live in America where we can bag a Latina.
>>738745294Anon, Japan is currently deteriorating and collapsing even faster than the US. Their currency is in freefall, and the naphtha shortage is fucking them over so bad they've been discontinuing products left and right.
>>738747331Latinas are much much less high quality than Jap women are you serious?You are opting for some brown muttoid over a nice japanese women because she has a fat ass?ARE YOU A FUCKING RETARDED NIGGER?
>>738747389>Japan is falling more than USAyou must be jewish or brown to say something that fucking stupid. Japan is falling faster than a country with 60 million illegals lmao. Shut the fuck up you retarded nigger.
>>738726308you've clearly never done anything in the real worldi'm a POC and had a japanese gf who was 10 years older and made $300k a year as a network engineerturns out she was a psycho so i broke it off eventually but the sex was great and she had some good qualitiesin the real world, especially for NORMIES (the people who matter when you want a beautiful woman), soft skills + pedigree >>> skin color
>need japanese gf to motivate me to learn japanese>need to know japanese to get japanese gf
>>738747240>he's still in uniYou're in a for a rude awakening when you actually start trying to enter the workforce
>>738747389>Their currency is in freefall
>>738747139んなもんをするか、ボケ
USA:tens of millions of brown illegals siphoning our resourcesMillions of violent niggers destroying our society for funHalf of the population supports these niggers and illegals and importing as many as possible These same niggers are bring given gibs and gibs on top of gibs and no one in the government is stopping it.But yeah definitely worse than JapanFucking retarded jew nigger
>>738747602One sentence isnt Japanese.>>738747571At least I will be one step closer to leaving this shithole. FUCK the USA. Fuck this shithole fucking country. Fuck niggers and jews and everyone whi made this country a shuthike
This guy is clearly mentally stunted. How does a mouthbreather like him even end up here?
>>738747683>One sentence isnt Japanese.An infinite more than what you've posted
>>738747398Latinas are literally the chads women of choice alongside Italians.I know you are brainrotted by the drawings of men and smelly fish women but Latinas are the apex of women amongst many. No one gives a ratsass about your Kana Hanazawa wife but they will constantly turn heads at your Sofia Vergera wife.
>>738747683It is. It actually shows that anon understands Japanese to a decent degree at the very least. Its not something you learn from your average textbook.
>>738747683Yeah I get where you're coming from I'm not a fan of the country I live in either. Good luck Anon you're gonna need it
>>738747693hilarious that you think 4chan is full of high IQ people instead of the dregs of society. virtually every single person here is socially retarded, which is why everyone talks shit about each other instead of doing things in the real worldimagine how stupid you have to be to think all of japan will hate you if you visit and aren't tall and white. this is literally terminally online brainrotall most of them want is that you are not a nuisance to their way of life. some will want nothing to do with you of course but that's true of almost anywhere you go
>>738737715all>>738732439>>738733269
>>738747813I mean Japanese are some of the most xenophobic people out there. I imagine recent developments have only made that worse. The actually dumb part is anon thinking being white will make the Japs flip a switch from dislike to sucking his dick
>>738748028of course they are. but that doesn't mean you can't win them over. if you're charismatic and respectful and make an obvious effort to assimilate, that goes a long way almost everywhere in the world unless you're dealing with extremists
>>738748101>went from just b white bro to just be white and tall and good looking and have a nice personalityoh...
>>738748101>if you're charismatic and respectful and make an obvious effort to assimilateMy man, if your posts are anything to go by, you have the charisma of a carton of milk left out in the sun. I've no idea where this endless confidence stems from
>>738748101>if you're charismatic
>>738748165that's great. your opinion doesn't matter>>738748156that's a misread>>738748186i know where we are. see: >>738747813
>>738748223He means you
>>738747068>I plan to fuck prostitutes>But at least im getting actual sex.You're bragging about the sex you haven't even had yet. This is honestly the saddest thing in this thread
>>738748343doesn't matter. this advice is universalyou're seething like you've been bullied all your life. learn to handle disagreements without shooter energy
>>738746178For what it's worth, this particular anon was, I'm pretty sure, shitting up a similar thread on /a/ several months ago with the same autismI'm pretty sure he just shows up in any thread about learning Japanese to sperg about people not wanting to use it for the exact same things as him (apparently fucking prostitutes eventually)Probably an actual schizo
>>738748429I feel like your worldview and Elliot Rodger's would overlap far more than you're willing to admit
>>738747068that's not even a japanese woman lol you fucking swarthoid brained nigger
>>738748573lol if you say so
>>738725215no thats what the data centers are for
>>738731520oh nice, thanks
>>738725215Imagine being EOPlollmao even
>>738725380hontou? :(
YUNYUN!
this bitch is unfixable
I somehow managed to memorize hiragana and katakana a long time ago but I can't remember at all how I did it. Maybe I should finally start putting some effort into understanding how the language works and memorizing kanji besides important things like 中出し, but meh I'll get started tomorrow.
>>738751645You just drill it. Pick whatever method works for you and get over it in couple of weeks.
>memorising kanjiWhy are you so retardedWhy do you think this is the best way to learn Japanese
>>738725450i would take rough AI translations over malicious localizers at this point, they have been fucking with translations for decades, they have erased a whole game's worth of dialogue and replaced it with their failed writer oc drivel multiple times and have been given every fucking chance to correct the course, but they still keep messing with things they shouldnt, now they can all starve for all i care
>>738728108its sad because that somehow beats the best lolcalizers
>>738725215I WILL learn Japanese, but I won't buy that game out of spite.
>>738728165Then why'd you mine it dumbo? Do it for shit you feel like learning or think you should, not everything you come across.
>>738753291>>738753386The good news is AI translation matches the quality of a very proficient English translator, so we aren't even sacrificing quality of writing anymore.Also, localizers genuinely miss 99% of the jokes/puns/references, so it's not like they're even cultural experts.
>>738751645Coomers are genuinely some of the worst learners of Japanese, so I'd give up now if I were you.
>>738753819>AI translation matches the quality of a very proficient English translatorGood luck keeping all the references.
>>738745451Google's kanji recognition is good enough now I can just scribble it without looking and it will still recognize it most of the time
>>738725215I know this thread is almost done but can someone explaing the relationship the OP image has to this thread? Is it some absolutely amazing Japanese-only game?
>>738754036>translate reference>reference retained???
>>738754143The first does not imply the second.
>>738754270That's typically how translating references works, friend.
>>738754304Not quite.
>>738754341No, that's pretty much it. It's really not that complicated.
>>738754110It's a hybrid rhythm adventure game that received a pretty botched translation, but only in English. The creator had to apologize and correct many of the changes, though the game is still largely inaccurate. OP is suggesting people learn Japanese to avoid this.
>>738754398No. Literal translation might lose the reference. Especially if it's a word play or the other work was not translated literally in the first place.
>>738754110It's a game that got vandalized by woke localizers who inserted stereotypical US-centric political messages, censored some stuff and removed references to other VNs, anime, games, etc. They also fucked up and swapped some lines around making the dialogue nonsensical.This issue is only with English translation, other languages and Japanese are fine.
>>738754489Who said anything about a literal translation? Also, a translator is not beholden to maintain the wording of another translator. Often translated works from Japan will have multiple versions of the same line, depending on how the anime, manga, and fans approached it.
>>738750474What do you mean? She provides for herself financially, that fact alone puts her above 95% of womankind.
>>738725215>generic 2020s style ai looking anime girl with the pointless hairclip in the middle of the bangs for no reasonI'm not going to play it in any language.
>>738754619>Who said anything about a literal translation?An AI more often than not will not catch non-trivial referenced and so will translate things literally.>Also, a translator is not beholden to maintain the wording of another translator. Often translated works from Japan will have multiple versions of the same line, depending on how the anime, manga, and fans approached it.That does not conflict with anything I've said.
>>738754849>generic 2020s style ai looking anime girlWhat
>>738754859An AI will absolutely catch a non-trivial reference. I ran every reference line into Gemini from Yunyun and it caught every one, which even I was surprised about. The official localizers caught...uh...oh that's right, zero.
>>738754960Ok, let's test it.Can you list all the references in Yunyun?Preferably with how the gemini translated them, but that's optional.
>>738754905has the quirky fangs tooan ai could generate these designs and art style easily
>>738755124>fangs is 2020s inventionUnderage or retarded?
>>738725450>that no one can tell.lol, lmao. Some of the errors you see are so basic that leaves no doubt it was machine-translation. I swear the devs went for the cheapest mfs when it came to translations.
>>738725215Nah. I have Russian non-MTL direct JP > RU translation without trannylators.
>>738755081I can't since I don't have the script available, nor do I feel like hunting them all down, but I can tell you that from memory it caught the Fate, Food Wars, FFVII, Rance, Jojo, and sister creepypasta ones without issue.
>>738755216They went with Mantra, which claims to be AI-powered but who knows. You wouldn't be able to tell with a SotA model.
>>738755280>I can't since I don't have the script available, nor do I feel like hunting them all downWell well, after all you've managed to go trough nearly 7000 lines of text and find and verify all the references in the game. And there is a lot more than the 6 you've mentioned. I am sure you must had put a lot of work into accomplishing something like that and at least have written down some notes during that process. One does not simply spent so much effort into something without at least having a document or two with your findings.
>>738755195every le quirky anime/adjacent design has these now in case you have difficulties with pattern recognition
>>738755770>anime is 2020s inventionZoomy zoom zoom
>>738755770>le poster>retarded zoomoid
>>738725215If you're also not learning Uchinaguchi + Ainu + Learning Japanese in the Tsugaru dialect = ngmi
>>738755596Oh, I didn't realize you were a localizer. Here, let me refine my statement: "I ran every reference line that I personally could find and/or saw posted by someone else. In every case, I found that the AI also was able to inform me of the reference during my initial translation, without special instruction."
>>738755239And it is kino.
>>738735751I accept your axewound
>>738745912>actual aspirations>just a faggot whose doing it for money
>>738755923んだんだ
>>738725215I'm going to continue shitting on localizers>w-wait you cant do that!!!Watch me
>>738731194>Posted on tuesday
>>738755923I FUCKING HATE DIALECTS ESPECIALLY KANSAIBEN
>>738725215I'm working on it. 500 cards down on the Kaishi 1.5k deck, drawing kanji every single day, memorized them against other people's advice.
>>738725615You will always sound like indians do to white people
>>738756990もうええけん、諦めや。
>>738757402分かりません!ちゃんと日本語言ってください
>>738757182>drawing kanjithat aside make sure to get started with your mining deck at least 200 cards in advance
>drawing kanji>AnkiWhy are you doing all this?
>>738757182Please incorporate reading/immersion as soon as possible
>>738757919>telling a newfriend with 500 words to go read
>>738757865drawing kanji is admittedly a meme, but i fail to see how using software to optimize your time spent learning is bad
>>738757919Based dictionary enjoyer
>>738758027Good enough to read Yotsuba, Azumanga Daioh, and start sentence mining (and your own Anki deck). I wish I did it sooner even at 500 Kanji
>>738758129Hey I got told to put the thesaurus down, maybe he's onto something.
>>738758163problem is 99% of the people learning japanese fall into one of these two categories >have already read/watched those>have no interest in those
>>738747504>need to talk to people to get a gf
>>738748028They aren't, that's a lie people perpetuate to sound wordly. They are very slow to change and people who don't understand the culture nor speak a word of Japanese misinterpret that as xenophobic. Half of Tokyo is foreigners at this point, which is something you don't get if you're a "xenophobic" people.
>>738755124SHARK TEETH ARE NOT FANGSTHEY'RE DIFFERENT THINGSAlso if you wanted to bitch about modern fangs you should be complaining about flesh fangs.
>>738747504It can't be that difficult to at least get a Nikkei gf and work yourself from there if you live in the Americas (USA, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, and Peru have big Japanese communities)
>>738758472retarbro if she's in the US that means she has access to 10000 10/10 guys she's not picking an anon over those
>>738755850>>738755910https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension
>>738747581This is not Yen getting stronger BTW.
>>738758564>literal le posting brainroted zoomoid is still trying Le ai 2020 quirky fangs frfr no cap
>>738727784no one should watch troon dolly. anyone who tells you "everyone else is lying to you only trust me" is a troon groomer
>>738757919分かった>>738757865漢字を書くとても楽しい>>738758108>drawing kanji is admittedly a meme 違う一緒に男の娘が探すさないか
>>738759078>漢字を書くとても楽しいstatements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
>>738759078based schizobro
>>738759162Not him, but some kanji are fun to "draw" other are write only, and some are hell to do either
I hate that this game is now undiscussable because of the shit translationI want to talk about Q chanI want cute and lewd pics of Q chanBut there is fucking nothing because every one is bitching about the translation. Thank god that for drunk godess the porn came fast even though they are using the same translation company
>>738760272i think you might have a thing for odyk's artstyle...
>>738759078Writing kanji is the first thing I learned about Japanese when I was a kid and it is still fun for me.
>>738760363Based China/Taiwanese bro
>>738760340Yes, I do.Is that a problem, anon?
>>738760527not at all i kinda get it honestly
