This was literally penetration without consent
And she liked it.
>>738733358>>738733667>>738733773In that moment I finally I felt represented
>>738733982post hooves
literally?
>>738734353she's rich she doesnt really need the money doe
>>738734353Why would a rich girl need money tho
>>738734475>>738734439First rule of rich people: they always want more money
>>738734475>>738734439Carol is rich not noelle
>>>/vg/
>>738735005Noelle is part of carol
>>738735005noelle was inside carol
>>738735458how curious, i was also inside carol
>>738734439>>738734475There are some things mayor money can't buy...
>>738733358i didn't play the game but i keep seeing memes about how there's rapeis there really rape (if so, that's hot) or is it not really rape
>>738735782Its safe horny rape
>>738735940why can't you just say what happened
>>738735782In every way except literal, it was rape
>>738736025play the game or watch someone else play it (like 90% of the what the fanbase does)
Don't tell anyone but I'm collecting fingernails for a Noelle artwork
>>738735782It's not rapeNoelle was forced to wear a ring made out of thorns, and the screen goes black with rose falling downOf course, many retards thought Noelle got dicked down because of that, which she didn't
>>738736215it's because the common use of a rose wilting is "defloweration" which is when a girl gets penetrated for the first timewhat is strange is how no one in toby's team, his playtesters or his localizers or any others saw all that and didn't say anything
>>738734353sauce
The updated animation kept it still obviously sexual assault coded, just clarified that the animation isn't a separate scene after the EQUIP.A literal rape just hasn't happened YET.There's 3 damn more chapters people. You want to cut the foreplay halfway through???
>>738733358Would be based if this route ended with Kris, Noelle and eventually Susie under control of the soul as a way of showing the player rejecting the premise of them not mattering, essentially completely taking over these characters' lives and fully erasing their original personalitiesOf course Toby Fag's too much of a pussy to actually go through with that, we'll get cucked at the end again probably since "you don't matter in this story" o algo
>>738735005How rich could Carol be as a mayor who doesn't take bribes?
>>738736348Honestly, I think the new animation of the thorns forming goes better with the sound effect that plays with it before the jingle. The rose animation, and especially that stupid dot, didn't really fit with it too well.
>>738736348Just wait until it's Kris's turn
>>738736348foreplay lol. here's the next step before we get the vessel back.
>>738736302I'm sure they've told Toby in the background and he insisted in not changing the imagery because he vastly overestimated the literacy level of his fans
>>738736471That's the crazy thing about it. If the final animation was the first one people saw there'd probably be a general consensus that it's superior for the game and scene. But because the rose came first it's forever immortalized as salacious "cut content" or especially "retcon". I saw Spics posting it next to the Gerson quote about "not letting doubt poison your story" to dig at Toby for not translating to their poverty language.
>>738736302Its because they knew what it implied/meant but did not think of the potential backlash, so they ignore/play dumb the fact as a collective because they are hypocrites. Portraying rape in any form is like saying nigger these days, only victims can use it.
Rape the Doe.
Are there really people who believe that the scene originally did and was intended to contain literal rape and then Toby changed the material facts of what happened because he got cold feet? That's retarded?
>>738736074Literally deflowered. How did Toby not assume this is how people would interpite this as rape?
>>738736641Noelle wouldn't murder Kris. Again the based choice would be for the soul to control both and eventually even Susie but that'd require Toby to be based which he isn't, he's a fucking cuck who made Sans a piece of shit because he didn't like that fans liked him as a character
GIVE ME MY VESSEL ALREADY I'M GONNA KILL KRIS
>>738736462unless Toby plans on rug pulling us and making Carol incompetent right now Carol seems like a perfectionist who knows how to keep things under her control for the most part. she owns property other her house, as shown by the flower show letter, and has probably been the mayor for years not to mention constantly paying for Rudy's treatments, paying for caviar so often Noelle is bored of it and keeping her house freezing cold, electricity to keep a house that cold has to be expensive, and the fridge full of bottles water. they've got to be loaded
>>738736872Because it's clearly communicated to you, the player, what's happening in the scene. You'd have to ignore everything leading up to the dramatic ending to have that interpretation and only base it on the scene's vibes and some of the used symbolism.
Toby knew what he was doing by releasing the game with the rose, and then taking it out almost immediately before most people even had time to see it.The message was communicated to the faithful.
>>738737603>>738736872He's an old school channer and a massive weeb. There's absolutely no way he didn't know.
Flower Shop objects you're excited to see turned into Darkners? >Dess Conspiracy corkboard>Golden Flower>TV
Where is chapter 5 Toby You said there will be Chapter 5 in 2026WHERE IS CHAPTER 5 SHITHEAD
>>738739617just WAIT anon there are still 7 months left (laughs)
>>738733358I don't get why toby kept patching this scene specifically.I get Toby doesn't want it to be seen as rape, but it's fine to leave your audience guessing that's what it was for a bit.
>>738739742>there are still 7 months left (laughs)
>>738738490WAIT, REMEMBER YOU CAN PUT AN EGG IN ASGORE'S FRIDGETHAT MEANS YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN GASTER DARKNER
>>738739934
>>738739843Either Toby is a pussy or he's just fucking with us
>>738739934gulpwait actually the Eggs are eggs in both the dark world and light world so it don't matter
>>738740138what if... the eggs don't change... but what's inside do change?
>>738739843It was only patched twiceThe first patch was a "small graphical alternation" less than 48 hours after release, replacing the rose with the Evil Fucking Red DotThe second patch was a few days later, inserting the new "shatter" graphic to "Strengthen imagery while maintaining a scene's intended meaning"
>>738740501yeah I *know*it's just weird.
who up proceeding they doe rn
>>738736090no way fag
>>738736074It's pretty telling how the internet is just projecting their own sexual fantasies when there's no an ounce of that stuff in this franchise
>>738733358Her mother are better choice
>>738733773
finally a good thread
>>738738490I remember there being some superhero comics Alphys gave him, so we might get some capeshit character. There really isn't anything else worth of interest there.
>>738741317>There really isn't anything else worth of interest there.Anon there's a whole ass schizo corkboard of Asgore's investigation into Dess's disappearance.
>>738738490the yellow flowertoby has the chance to do the funniest thing by slightly referencing UTY and throwing the fancontent side of the greater fanbase into an absolute frenzy trying to get recognition from toby.
>>738741592But I don't want the story to be about Dess. She's supposed to be UNUSED. Why is Toby retconning the game?
>>738741592Yeah I meant besides the stuff that was already mentioned. I think there's a single pickle in the fridge and a pic of Asgore's and Toriel's wedding on it but that's it really.
>>738740554Toby has been pretty hands-off about letting people interpret Undertale and Deltarune in their own way, he even deleted most of the posts he made after Undertale's release where he vagueposted about details that aren't clear in the game (stuff like "you've seen the best outcome, neither of them could fix the machine")But at the same time he's conscious and protective of how his vision of the game is communicated to the fans (see the whole translation drama), people can do what they want with his ideas but he wants to make sure they're communicated clearly. There's a small example of this with the Undertale 6th Anniversary Livestream where they played through Chapter 1, Toby went out of his way to comment something like "Please don't worry, this is a game where your family loves you," in response to people thinking that Kris is neglected or unloved because Kris's side of the room is dull and barren compared to Asriel's (also probably the motivation behind the line specifying that Asriel played with the knockoff controller in Chapter 2). Toby was obviously aware that people might get this impression from how Kris is portrayed, but wanted to clarify that -officially- it was not the case.Changing the rose is a similar case. Toby is obviously fully aware of the Weird Route following the dynamic of an abusive relationship, he's the one who wrote it. He had the graphic of a rose blooming and wilting made and put into the game at an extremely pivotal moment that was going to be heavily scrutinized. He knew what that imagery suggested.I can't speak for his exact thought process, but I believe the rose was essentially a publicity stunt. Removing it before most people have even finished playing the first time would only draw more attention to it, but at the same time would distance himself from it and any potential blowback. And it didn't really matter what it was replaced with, because everyone who cares knows what was meant to be there.
>>738741021>just projecting their own sexual fantasies when there's no an ounce of that stuff in this franchise
>>738740734instructions unclear, i turned my doe into a meat puppet
>>738741139ever been held by an older trusted female figure? pure cash. you can feel the love.
>>738736074>>738733358Hold the phone, WHY is she smiling??>>738733773ayyyy
>>738742315On days like these... I just can't stop smiling.
>>738741975The only person who doesn't consent is Kris. Is this the true self of Toby Fox?
>>738741653>unusedthats not the point of the hidden dialoguedess got gastered.the code portion is one fragment, the knight is another, there are an unknown amount of other fragments.carol intends to gather them all to rebuild dess but it'll go horribly wrong because the fragments have had time to diverge from the baseline part of dess that they were originally.
>>738742315noelle's scared but actively wants more. she's also a sado-masochist. it's kind of hot.
DELTARUNE OST or My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
>>738733358I saw a psychologist analyze some of the delta rune/undertale characters and they were rather surprised that like half the cast perfectly falls into the category of haing avoidant attachment issues, and upon looking further into it, I now realize that the reason toby is as good at being untouched by drama is that he is literally the most avoidant mother fucker to ever walk the earth.It also explains why when there is any from of pressure actually directed at him he bends immediately like a rubber tree in a hurricane, it's mental illness but it's perfectly suited to always survive the internet
>>738742315>Hold the phone, WHY is she smiling??Y'know how the thing that attracts Noelle to Susie is how aggro she is?That's why.
What’s her defect
>>738743709Secret edgelord with gory fantasies and a desire to be used/abused.
>>738742312Sugar mommy
>>738742432>kris is toby's self insert and the weird route is an allegory about how we RAPE his characters through porn and shitty suffering edgeslop AUsfuark i finally understand
>>738743532>when there is any from of pressure actually directed at him he bends immediately like a rubber tree in a hurricaneWhere’s that official Spic translation then?
>>738733358Fuck that useless kid.Post better woman
>>738743683I thought that was just on a surface level, she was actually glad that Susie is actually a good girl.
>>738744084toby should use sans to make a bad Spanish localization joke.
>>738744084As toby fox stated, "eventually"And "I don't mind fan translations"And within a week the seething from spics has all but vanished
>>738736074>Equipunironically what did Toby mean by this?
>>738744290It's Deltarune's version of the 'unzips dick' meme.
>>738740554It's not that difficult to guess at what happened>Toby outputs his original vision>people meme about rape and it starts hitting the mainstream>some company (such as Nintendo) contacts him>"the deflowering is too literal, change that shit immediately">changed to dot immediately>they figure out a proper replacement graphic that's subtle enough that said company approvesOr you can believe that the impetus came from within Toby's team, but I think the interim dot change makes a lot less sense that way.
>>738744142Noelle barely see's susie as a person most of anything susie says goes in one ear and out the other.Also DAUGHTER SUSIE I'M GOING TO YOU!!
>>738743709Idk but she's clearly a wacko. Like who the fuck says this about their ill parent?
>>738744142Well yeah, she wants an aggro person who also cares.The real deep cut is that she's projecting all of her feelings about little gremlin Kris, who would do schizo shit but loved being around and gave her all his attention, onto Susie.
>>738733358this scene ruined me. i cant stop thinking about forcefully fucking noelle on her couch with the risk of susie walking in.
Didn't play this series at all. Is Kris fucking the lesbian deer? Whats with the thorn ring/rose iconography? Shes controlled by Kris now?
>>738744636His?And we don't truly know what this nigga is on about.
>>738744756Yes, his, I'm not a femkris truther.
>>738733358Yeah, Kris was raped. We all know and love that.
>>738745026Wew, I'm generally more into KrisXFrisk&Chara Onii-loli, but this is pretty fucking hot, too.
Why didn't Noelle fight back?
>>738745026I only hope we get to do it again
How would Carol react to finding out Noelle is teen pregnant
>>738745215she was horrified and aroused. reference >>738742412 and>>738742868
>>738744689I keep forgetting Susie is in the fucking house while this is going on. Asgore too.Why is there no art of them getting discovered?>>738744689
>>738745161Sometimes we need a role reversal.>>738745232He will be raped again in 5 in the festival date, trust the plan.
>>738745401She would thank thank the angel that she and maybe Rudy will live to see their grandkids
>>738745026Aww he's pitching a lil tent
>>738744689Like if both susie and asgore walked in on it how would they react?Would it even register to them as a uhh... struggle type of snuggle and not just consensual with how noelle is and their mental bias to not want to believe kris would do something fucked up?
nerf the knight
>>738745215She was getting there.
>>738745492i can save kris. let me take his place, my sacrifice will not be in vain
>>738744313ooooh, i get it, because you are equipping her on your dick, clever
>>738733358It was literally lesbian rape.
>>738733773I remember when she said this iconic line.
>Kris removes the ring>"Never bring this up EVER again noelle, please">"Oh hey kris, remember that thing you begged me to never bring up again hahaImagine getting cucked this hard
>>738745692>both walk in>kris fucking noelle doggystyle, gripping her horns>noelle says "let me explain" like it's her faultwould be funny
>>738745913How do you ræp without a ræp rod?
Can you imagine how wet she must have been all night waiting to see Kris again after all that happened to her
>>738746192>I am going fucking insaneI love seeing this pic again lmao
>>738733358You wouldn't fuck a deer.
Did Toby make the weird route fetishy on purposeThere's no way he doesn't realize that having a girl being so subby she follows your every order like a puppy isn't arousing
>>738746380yes i would you fucking idiot
>>738746192krekkov?
>>738746380No but I would fuck a Toby fox monster with superficial deer features
>>738746451She's "subby" the entire game, and only an illiterate retard couldn't tell she's a masochist
>>738746470Don't call me an idiot you mean fucking jerk.
>>738746532oh. it's just aislop meant to look like krekkov's doing. shoulda figured given that kris isn't a futa
>>738736348>You want to cut the foreplay halfway through???No but i want noelle ready for when we use our vessel to rape her during the roaring, which shall prevent the death pf the universe through sacrifice
>>738746635bait to get someone to post the source for you
>>738746167With your fingers, duh.
I wish Noelle was the main girl party member and Susie was the friend we end up raping
>>738746842no, i found the bait. like i said, it was ai slop ("artist" literally put the prompt in the twitter post)
>>738747026toby would never do that to his beloved yoshi
>>738747026porn dialogue sucks and anyone who says ''that's the point" is far gone. i always listen to porn
>>738747026Let's be realisticwhat are the chances of a real Susie X Kris romance?
>>7387473200.
>>738746380that's the only reason a majority of players are doing the weird route. the rest love kriselle even though the supposed ship is torture for everyone involved minus the soul
>>738747090Bait
>>738743709Lesbian
>>738733358status del hymen?
>>738747320>straight romance in a western game-11
>>738747320No shot
>>738747368ironic. you're calling it bait in an attempt to get me to post the source, using the very tactic you accuse me of using. this is not an episode of a sitcom, so i'm not gonna do it
>>738747649lowercase bait
>>738747320DESSPAIR/10 even though from a story telling perspective it's literally the most required thing to have the message land in any meaningful way
>>738743876I'm using her to get closer to her mom
>>738745215>* She's a sweetheart, isn't she, Kris?>* Smart, kind, sweet... couldn't ask for a better daughter.>* I just wish she wasn't so... defenseless.>* Scary movies, bugs, Santa Claus... everything scares her.>* And when it happens, she freezes like a deer in headlights.>* Remember she used to even be afraid of humans under the bed?>* (Kris, it was NOT nice of you to hide under there, by the way!)
>>738747724Elaborate. What makes a romantic relationship different than a platonic relationship in that regard
what if >she was used upis us making kris snuff noelle
>>738747026Mind breaking submissives are boring Mind breaking confidant tomboys is the shit
>>738747756
>>738745986I'm so fucking excited for this to happen again in Chapter 5
>>738743709she prefers Wensleydale over stilton.
>>738746105
>>738746451>Did Toby make the weird route fetishy on purposeThere has never once been a moment when Toby didn't know exactly what he was doing
>>738747880Feminizing gruff tomboys and tiring them into trad wives
If the newsletter hasn't been released by the time I wake up(in 14-16 hours) then it's clear that Sebastian was just baiting and we're not actually gonna get a newsletter
Went outside today and saw a deerlater virgins
>>738747880>>738748220Cringe. Tomboys are a dying breed, why would you ruin one willingly?
I love tomboy loli x feminine loli duos.
>>738749004Best thing about feminizing a tomboy is that she can always go back to being a tomboy and you can start the process all over again
Hey uh, did anyone ever notice Tenna's HOPE meter thing has rainbow flowers on it?
>>738749406it's because of hopes and dreams and the asriel fight in undertalethere's one like it where it's "your brother" and then a snippet of his theme playsit's just undertale references, building up to undertale reference, the chapter in chapter 5
>>738736872>interpitegood morning saar!
>>738749406Where yellow flower
>>738748220what a fool you are tomboys are already the ideal tradwife, studies done over 100 years ago proved this feminizing them is just making them worse
>>738749316Nah, once she's out of it she's out for good. It's not even much of an accomplishment, takes like one baby for her maternal instincts to override any tomboyishness. Maintaining one is the hard part
>>738750693They become soccer moms.t. her son
>>738748172Noelle is fascinating. She's an absolute faker, unable to be honest with herself or anyone else except Kris. Without Susie on the brain, she likes to talk about old memories, because there's nothing else going on in her life. Her family is fractured thanks to Mom being a workaholic ice queen, dad being an on-his-deathbed jokester, and Dess being a huge question mark.Put Susie into her brain, and the very idea of her hijacks Noelle. That's just her personality from that point onward; "I want Susie to eat my deer pussy." She may lie to Susie and say that her friendship with Kris is forced, but you know that's not true because of the difference between how she treats Kris, and how she treats Berdly. She likes to talk about all the good times she had with Kris as a child, while acknowledging that he's kind of an ass, but at no point does she ever have that frothing annoyance with Kris, that she has with Berdly. There's a forced friendship. They're only put together because they're the smartest students amongst a class of lazy and/or mentally retarded students, and despite Berdley swooning over Noelle the way Noelle swoons over Susie, there's no chemistry between the two Just like how there's no chemistry between Noelle and Susie.But why Susie? Well, why Noelle for Berdly? Because Noelle has everything Berdly doesn't. She's liked. Her intelligence is genuine. She doesn't need anyone else's help, she can stand on her own feet. But Noelle doesn't know Susie the way Berdly knows Noelle, so Susie must be a substitute for somebody else. Who else is there that fits the general themes Susie represents, from a glance? Tall, imposing, punk-ass, usually has a mean smile on her face. Well, the only other person that we can say fits those qualities, is someone that we, the viewers, only know from a glance. I'm talking about Dess. (not done yet)
>>738751265One look at our room tells us everything to know about how Dess carried herself. Tall, probably the same height as her father. Punk aesthetic judging by her boots and upper-wear, somewhat disorganized. Clearly a rebel. Judging from what Noelle has said, Dess was a guardian figure (usually protecting the younger sister from Kris), and liked to hang out in macabre areas. It's a surface level interpretation of Dess, but that's all we have to go off of, the same way Susie's surface-level interpretation is all Noelle has. We're at chapter four out of ten, and Noelle has talked to Susie for the second time. She doesn't even think the first discussion actually happened, so maybe we shouldn't even count that. Is it so good for Susie and Noelle to mingle? A little escapism never hurt anyone, but Noelle wants to drown herself in Susie's essence. How would you fix that, anyway?Well, you'd fix it by focusing Noelle's gaze on yourself. Not Kris, but (you). Instead of opening her heart to other people, you train her to think like a character from one of her favorite games. It's simpler. All she needs to do is get stronger. All she needs to do is follow your command. All she needs is (you). There's no more Susie, now. There's no Dark World. There's only (you). (You) push her into acting on her worst feelings in order to thwart Berdly, and it's far worse than just kicking him into the ground. She always had Snowgrave in her, as much as she wants to play the oblivious card. The ThornRing is a pact. Noelle will get stronger. It's all she needs. Not her innocence, not her friends, not her sister. Just (you). It may not be literal rape, but come on. (You)'ve wed her to another person without her input. (You)'ve made her do horrible things she never would have done on her own. (You)'ve deflowered an innocent woman for your own amusement. (You) can not unrape the doe, Toby. Goodnight, /V/eattle.
>>738748220Based
>>738751315>our roomHer room.
>>738751315>We're at chapter four out of tenDO YOU KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T???????!?!?!?
>>738751315The Weird Route is about raping two girls and how they react in very different ways.
>>738751515the files have headers for 0 - 10 chapters, this goes as far back as the ch2 demoit's very possible that they're just default placeholders, but who knows, ch 6 & 7 were surprises when ch2 dropped, before that everyone just thought deltarune would be 1 - 5
>>738749035fuck off you're not hijacking kriselle into suselle 2
>>738751315kris always had violence in them too which is what the mantle game is telling us
>>738751986Please do not insult Kriselle by comparing it to Suselle.
>>738746635artist is demidoggo Re*ard
So how come this "rape" doesn't appear in the prophecy?
>>738751986sorry chuddy but kriselle isn't h*tslop its queergem
>>738752323From the tweet: "A small thingy I made for /sus/.Prompt: "Kris but his uniform is a bit too small with dick outline""Gee, what does that "prompt" part mean? why don't you tell me, anon?
>>738752580god damn it i misinterpreted "prompt" as in ai prompt instead of "prompt from the thread i made this drawing for" nevermind i'm the gigaretard
>>738752580Anon I don't like hetslop Krusie either but there's no need to be so retarted right now.
>>738746635bait or mental retardation?
>>738747891>>738745986that noelle scene still felt out of place because no one talks to someone like thattoby got praised for his writing but that was pretty dumb, unless it was noelle thinking about what happened instead, or at least word it differently
>>738752680> >738752890i (>>738752580 >>738752634) already admitted i was a retard, you don't need to twist the knife. also fuck you hetslop krusie is just as good as fagslop krusie because i would still fuck male kris
>>738752680>yuritard>unironically using the term hetslopI’m about to snowgrave you
>>738753034Well how did you want me to call it? Heterocoal?
>kris walks into boy's shower after gym class>other boys don't know human biology and think she's one of the boys>berdley does this really funny prank where he gets kris to bend over by bumping the soap out of her hand, and then fucks her in the ass, calling her the "bottom bitch">kris puts up with it because it's the only way she can get any dick
>>738749035I genuinely thought noelle had a gigantic ass from that thumbnail. My brain is mush
You know these threads feel a lot like ut- oh forget it that joke was beaten to the ground a month ago we’re just going through the motions now
>>738753407This really happened.
>>738753816>absolute look of murder in her eyehe must fuck like a runaway semi. i bet he yells "WOO HOO WOO HOO WOO HOO" while he does it
>>738734353Noelle wouldn't do this.
why these threads daily again?
>>738734353Noelle wouldn't do this but Kris would.
>>738753749Maybe reddit is more your place then.
>>738754210I would say they wouldn't but I just remembered Frisk literally shakes her hips for moldsmall for literally no cash, so...
>>738735782It's a metaphor.
>>738754124she would for the right price
>>738751265>>738751315>She's an absolute faker, unable to be honest with herself or anyone else except KrisThe parallel of Noelle denying their friendship to Susie not knowing that Kris is listening and Noelle being completely unguarded and ready to risk it all to connect with Kris again on the Weird Route, Toby I am kneeling once moreExtremely high-quality posts anon, thank you
>>738754351Chara is the only pure one (Clover is dumb enough to do it for basically zero money).
>>738752406>So how come this "rape" doesn't appear in the prophecy?Are you sure about that?
>>738754153Because a janny use to shit zem self over these threads being daily so they just remained daily out of spite
>>738733358It's time to clean this general up mods>>>/vg/
>>738754351Why did Chara want to fuck this thing
>>738741139The only character in deltarune to give you a >(you)
A gacha thread died for this
hello I am Toby Fox and I love yuri. All your theories are wrong and chapter 5 has been delayed to 2027 fuck you.
>>738754685blow it out your ass
>>738754760I can see the appeal.
I'm making a team
>>738754505Chara is kind of a prude but like >>738754760 said she absolutely has a kinky side hidden that she only shows to her special someones.
>>738754916kris and transei is yuri btw
>>738736302I think Toby just wanted to imitate his favorite animes without thinking about how his fanbase would've reacted to it without the context.
>>738755161Add Kris too.
>>738752369what would canonically cause noelle to curse
>>738755161Dude, Mark is such a faggot. Imagine crying about getting fucked by a 10/10 amazonian.
>>738755713Especially when every other chick he gets with is infinitely inferior
>>738751265>>738751315Honestly Frasier, this is worst than your psychanalysis of earthbound being an allegory for the death of the american Id by foreign invaders
>>738755543Probably some extreme shock or goading from Dess or Kris.
>>738736851I think only the biggest Snowcoomers might believe this.
>>738739742>>738739902I really, really, really, REALLY love waiting guys Also that one re-tweet from Wolff? Nothing so far (raughs)
>>738755543Kris being to big
>>738736348Yes.
>>738741975Now give me the entire mental gymnastics you've conjured up in your mind where you see this innocuous line as "RAPED/RAPIST" dynamic
>>738747880>so long gay susie
>>738755543I can't wait to find out
>>738757152Deltarune Chapter 1 + 2 (2021)(C) Royal Sciences, LLC.
I'm sensing a lack of a certain variety of input equipment in this thread...
>>738742432>>738735782You the player (the soul) are in that moment raping Kris. You are forcing him against his will to engage in an unwanted intimate act with his childhood best friend.If you take the weird route you are worse than an actual rapist because you are forcing someone else to do it. Its very sick.Kris will literally freak the fuck out and beat the shit out of you for it afterwards
>>738757927Shouldn't have hit me with a hockey stick
>>738738490Literally only the flower bouquet as I don't think the game is going to focus on anyone else. They need to be based on the dead kiddos.
>>738757927He's going to thank me for it later
>>738743709https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sggmx8vysoc
>>738742315She's smilling to hide the pain and because she loves it.
>>738743709Masochist dyke.
>>738758514That [Smooth Taste]...
>>738745215Deer in the headlights.
>>738745763Sorry, but those humans are already mine. You're free to be raped by the doe in a few months once Chapter 5 is finally out.
>>738746380I would fuck a REINDEER, yes.
>>738746167We do it because both Kris and Noelle were raped.
Kris probably didn't even cum
>>73874732010% being optimistic here
>The Time Has Come For Noelle To Realize Her Own Strength>Her Own Will>Her Own Determination>Focusing Into Her Blade, She Will Create A Neo Dark Fountain>BUT JUST LOOK, KRIS. LOOK AT THE [Power of NEO] AND ASK YOURSELF...>WELL, DON'T YOU?>DON'T YOU WANNA BE A [Big Shot]!?>Sick of the CLASSICS!? We'll make 'em NEO!>NEO shows, NEO programs, just watch, watch, WATCH!What did they mean by this?
>>738749035This but just feminine lolis in general but one is bratty while the other is curious.
>>738749406Tenna has a flower motif in general like his nose blooming into one.
>>738759073And Jevil says>THE TRUE AND NEO CHAOS!in his final attack but it's not in the text dump because it's fucking voice acted
>>738758987Honestly, going by his reaction, he both really enjoyed it and hates the fuck out of himself for it.
>>738758987>Girl gets too close to you>Immediately run to the bathroom and beat the fuck out of your meatVery subtle, Toby
>>738759309
Now that I think about it, where did Spamton get the ThornRing?
>>738759452Maybe it was a giftfrom a friend
>>738751265>>738751315>Chapter 4 out of tenThis guy is clearly delusional, get him off the stage!
So Toby Fox like Utena or something? Idk I only played 2 chapters of deltarune and won't get any further until the game gets a full release.
>>738752406Because the weird route is about breaking the prophecy.
>>738759669maybethere is a theory that kris and noelle parallel anthy and utena
>>738753407And then everyone clapped
>>738754153To piss you off in particular. Yes, YOU.
>>738759669probably
>>738757927I wonder what forces Kris to keep going back to the Soul even though he clearly hates being controlled by it. He gets moments of lucidity that seem to happen at random, but when they do he has full control, even ripping the Soul out, but even then he always goes back and puts the Soul back in, no matter how much he hates it.
>>738755543Berdly gets Susie
>>738759869Well, you kind of figure a person can't live without their SOUL forever
>>738736074>>738733358wtf Toby really wanted to do an indie jrpg huh?
>>738758602Tastes... painful. Like Gaster
>>738758987If he came he couldn't say he was raped.
>>738751315>Noelle has a furious crush on a mean girl she has only a surface level understanding of>just like the fandom has a furious crush on a supposed mean girl we have even less than a surface level understanding of>both are quite possibly going to be shattered by the end of thisjust according to keikaku...
>>738757927>You the player (the soul) are in that moment raping Kris.Oh please. Kris is nothing without us.>>738759869You wanna really know why he goes back? Because we make his life interesting. For all the mayhem, for all the chaos, for all the mischief we put him through; we make his life worth living. Without us he's nothing but a weird quiet kid drifting through life with no purpose. We bring him the adventure, we got him new friends, we helped him through an adventure, we made him grow as a person. And whether he likes it or not we are going to keep pushing him forward as we see fit. Even if we have to do it with him kicking and screaming.
>>738760313>we make his life worth living
I didnt do the alternate route because I felt bad and I like noelle
>>738759073Neo is the fancy word of new from nipponese media
>>738734684long ass couch
>>738759869Kris needs a SOUL to live. All living creatures do. The main issue is how Kris can remove it and where exactly is his unaltered soul.
>>738760478
>>738736302It's because Toby knows Kris is a girl and thus has no dick to penetrate with.
>>738759869Kris is not being forcefully puppeted against their will most of the time, and I do not believe there is anything that indicates that they "hate" being under the SOULs control outside of the Weird Route.They knowingly took the SOUL into themselves, after all. Why would they hate it?
>>738759869He doesn't have any other options. People act like we've learned Kris can go without a soul indefinitely just because he doesn't actually have to start limping around the second it's out.Also, it's his soul. I'm pretty sure his anger with it represents internal conflict.
>>738759869Is not just that kris needs it to live, the entire fate of the world probably depends on us being alive.
>>738760403without (you) they have no chance of finding dess so Kris has to suck up whatever we put them through
>>738760313This.Kris's implied messed up past seems to fly over everyone's head. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Kris allows us to take possession of his body because he himself finds his life so pathetic and boring.Would the REAL Kris flirt? Would the REAL Kris be a leader? Would the REAL Kris fight a TITAN? Would the REAL Kris seek out the ShadowMantle to fight the Roaring Knight? Would the REAL Kris seek out Spamton? Would the REAL Kris shine in the dark? I don't think he would, everything he accomplishes in the game is due to our determination, but that doesn't mean Kris doesn't deserve agency, in fact I find the Weird Route so interesting precisely because we make Kris's life such a living hell he would rather have his depressing agency back than letting us ruin his life any further.
>>738760790I think we're "piloting" Kris more than "puppeting" them usually, but Kris has still expressed frustration with their lack of control and the limitations we impose on their body.Just because they don't extra super duper fucking hate our guts outside of the Weird Route doesn't mean they like being a meat puppet, they still dunk us in a cage, nail us with a hockey puck and beat us with a stick.And regardless of any specific action toward us they're obviously deeply conflicted about the situation in general, torn between loyalty to their new friends and the promise they gave up their own freedom for.
>>738760790On the normal route any time Kris pulls the soul out he violently throws it into some kind of container. When Kris did it at Noelle's house they even jumped on the Soul in the kitchen if you wander around and takes you back to the box. Not to mention the way Kris tries to physically beat the Soul with a hockey stick in the closet to keep it from alerting Noelle and Susie.It's pretty clear that Kris hates the Soul, and takes the chance to enjoy their own desires when they rip the Soul out, like eating a whole pie, chugging chocolate milk or playing the piano.
>>738761575>they
>>738761572The issue with that theory is Kris has shown when theyre in control that they do all kinds of stuff. Eating a whole pie, slashing their mom's tires, opening a fountain, playing piano. Kris isn't some boring nobody, and are clearly working events on their own.
>>738761637>triggered
>>738761736>theydidn't read
>>738761741>>>/vg/utg>>>/reddit/these are more your speed, dumb trannies
>>738761572>Would the REAL Kris seek out the ShadowMantle to fight the Roaring Knight?Yes, according to ERAM that's exactly what they're doingWhy does Kris agree to Spamton's deal and put themself in such an obviously dangerous situation alone even though it seems like they're afraid of Spamton? Why does Kris get frustrated and hit the robot body when it seems like nothing's happening? Because they wanted the Shadow Crystal and were willing to take that risk.
>>738760559>>738760790>>738760861>>738760898Thats my main point though. WHY does Kris have a Soul that isn't their own, or if it is Kris' original Soul, why are WE the ones piloting it?
>theydidn't read again oops sorry fucker>>>/vg/utgis that way, xister!
>>738761758>>738761832>>738761997You missed out on a few dozen posts above, and also the whole fucking game, soft little faggot
>>738760790Just because it's part of the greater plan doesn't mean Kris can't dislike doing it. He probably does hate us because we are actively working against him which is why he keeps trying to contain us.>>738761984We don't know. We don't know why we're in Kris's body and how this works. It's something we can only speculate thus far.
>>738761984>or if it is Kris' original Soul, why are WE the ones piloting it?Because that was the plan.How could the villains' plan succeed without You?They need YOUR POWER. And they needed a Cage to put it in.
Another note is that after the NEO Spamton fight, Kris is so visibly unsettled by everything that happened to Spamton that even Susie notices, and Kris can start freaking out. Was it because Spamton died without something pulling his strings? Would make sense.
>You missed out on a few dozen posts above, and also the whole fucking game, soft little faggot
>>738761575>>738761621I don't think those acts of violence are personal. Why would it be? Kris knew what he was getting into. To me, that sort of behavior reads clearly as intimidation and coercion, not personal animosity. After all, what's the very first thing they do after revealing they're aware of us? They try to scare us.When you have a wild, dangerous animal on a leash, you don't play nice with it. You do whatever it takes to get it in line and under control. And look at what happens when this fails, and how Kris reacts. He doesn't try to reason or speak to us, he just beats the SOUL more. That's controlling behavior, not hatred.>>738761984Kris or someone who he is working with them stole the SOUL from Gaster so that the Knight could begin working. The SOUL is obviously necessary to close the Fountains, and the Knight clearly does not want to cause the Roaring despite needing to open Dark Fountains for some reason, so their plan could not begin without the SOUL. The story is taking place when it is because that is when Gaster brought the SOUL and Gaster bringing the SOUL is what allows Kris to take it in themselves so that the Knight could open fountains safely to accomplish their goal.
>>738762279And Spamton literally calls them a "[Heart] on a [Chain]," everything about Spamton resonates with them and scares the fuck out of them
>>738762279Kris was freaked out because a puppet dude that followed orders from a phone suddenly died without his strings. Kris saw himself in Spamton.
Gaster please come free us from Kris' faggot assI want out
I hope when Toby gives us control of our Vessel that we can use it to rape Kris.
Can we agree that Deltarune has good music but still haven't reached the peaks of the UT ost?
>>738763638Chapter 3 and 4's ost already DESTROYED UT's ost, it's just that good.
>>738761948All of that happens after the fact though. Weve put him in that situation and helped him grow substantially up to that point. Pre chapter 1 he really doesnt have anything going on.
>>738763638https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKAG7eVwm5g this is the best song toby made
>>738763638Yes. Deltarune hasn't beaten Asgore, Hopes and Dreams or Finale
>>738761575>theywoah man censor that shit. i nearly pissed your pants
>>738763638There are a few things here and there I feel Toby outdid himself in the DR OST, like the vocal tracks and how well he used Tenna's theme. Otherwise, I think it's quite lacking on some angles.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ1Jp-Wg7b0Not a single song that can evoke a similar "pleasant loneliness" that Snowy has. My Castle Town comes the closest to that, but not quite there. Almost every major songs feels it's trying too hard to be grandiose, like they're all trying to be the next Another Medium or CORE.
>>738760478This but I fucking hate how Noelle just lets herself get endlessly used like a little puppet slave bitch, Berdly is my true gamer nigga
>>738733501Need Noelle with thorn ring and a Fell For It Again Award
>>738763638ch4 alone smokes most of undertale's ost 'it's tv time' rivals 'big shot' for toby's best boss songall that's missing is the signature song to tie the game all together, which we probably won't get until ch7
>>738763638Generally speaking yeah, the two off the top of my head that aren't surpassed are> Hopes and dreams> Another medium
>>738747791>* And when it happens, she freezes like a deer in headlights.Bergentruck confirmed?
>>738764636I don't get what people saw on ch4's OST besides A Dark Zone. It all just sounds like a Squenix JRPG with the same single leitmotif spammed everywhere.
>>738764636Nah, Asgore is still his best boss song by a mile
>>738764746i liked the flow of the music from dark sanctuary to guardian, it naturally builds upon itself dark zone is fun because it's just a shitpost version of spooktune i think ch3 had better stand alone songs, but they don't continuously add to the next like ch4's do
Kris is a boy. Kris always has been a boy. If you show AI an image of Kris, it will tell you that's a boy. The they stuff is Toby both saying it's two people one body and playing to his gay fanbase.Either way there's a dick and Noelle got dicked down.
>you made me have sex with my 10/10 childhood friend who loves me?>HOW FUCKING DARE YOU!!!
>>738764894Kris is masculine-presenting, correct. That does not make her a boy.
>>738737603So clearly communicated that they panicked and switched it for a different animation and tried to blame their stupidity on the people who knew what the visual of a flower losing its petals means?
>>738764894Kris is a they BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO NIGGAS
>>738764896rape is... le bad
>>738733358Reminder that this little fuck let this happen each chapter keeps confirming that Kris can literally resist and force the opposite of whatever you try to do. And more importantly that he can just live without his soul(you)Literally any time in computer world could he have just gone "nah" before this scene he could have tossed the Thorn Ring.andhe could have stoppedPROCEED
>>738764894if kris is supposed to be a boy, why did toby himself while using his official twitter repost art that clearly depicts femkris?
>>738764896how would YOU feel if a demon possessed you, manipulated your childhood friend into putting someone in a coma, and then used you to rape her?
>>738764840I think they both lack the introduction AND use of new major leitmotifs.>1 had Don't Forget, Prophecy, Rude Buster, Lancer, The World Revolving, Susie, Card Castle, and Knight>2 had Girl Next Door, Cyber World, Sweet Cap'n Cakes, Queen, Queen (Mixtape), HEY EVERY, Spamton and Berdly>3 had Tenna, Green Room (which is just Hip Shop from ch1), Doom Board, and Sneaking (castle town only)>4 had Dark Sanctuary and Gerson (which is just recycled UT leitmotifs)
>>738765154She liked it. Both Kris and Noelle are into each other. The soul was more of a matchmaker.
>>738765050>the troon berdly artist
>>738765154>how would YOU feel if a demon possessed youKris was waiting and knew he would be possessed> manipulated your childhood friend into putting someone in a comathe ball was entirely within his hands and let it happen> and then used you to rape her?this tooanyway i'd be pissed and broken if there was nothing I could do about it
>>738765050I fucking hate this gay tiktok redesign blue tint they put in everything
>>738764894>If you show AI an image of Kris, it will tell you that's a boylol
>>738758987Can you imagine some cosmic horror implanting itself into your body.Forcing you to rape your childhood friend until she's a twitching mess and not even being allowed to nut?No wonder Kris fucking hates us
>>738751265Berdly is not interested in noelle romantically retard he literally says so
>>738763638overall, yes.but DR has World Revolving and BLACK KNIFE so it's not an easy toss up
>>738766361They're all dominoes baby
>>738733358Why did toby do it? I don't get it.
>>738766889Think it's just cause the game still doesn't have that many weeks,but i'm sure we'll get more poc characters soon enough
>>738736873>Noelle wouldn't Murder KrisYes, but you see, I *would*.
>>738765226It's obvious that introductory chapters are going to introduce more major recurring motifs that are in most or every Chapter. If you compared motifs that are confined to one chapter, it would even out a lot.You also can't account for motifs in the newer Chapters that are likely to be used again in the future but haven't been yet, like the music from the games in Chapter 3.
>>738763638I can't think of many UT tracks I prefer over Deltarune's. Hotlands, premonition, and Undynne's Themes are cool.
>>738761984human soul is the only thing that can banish the supernatural darkness of the fountainsso it's probably a key to dealing with the roaring: a good old heroic sacrificebut what if, kris need not sacrifice his own soul?
>>738764579Toby best not deprive us of "battle against a true gamer". Put some real fucking bonus content in, instead of another nothingburger annoying dog bit.
>>738759869He gave up his hand to get the Soul.
>>738759869Oh, it's part of his mission, anon. It's clear he can survive without a soul, and it's quite clear that he can seemingly take control over us at any particular time and remove us (excluding some parts of wierd route, though that could be because of our strength).He's been granted our Soul so that he satisfies the conditions of the Cage, and thus allows Carol to direct our role in the prophecy, with one of her agents being there to watch and guide us, or to minimize our potentialShe's also got control of the Knight.She's planning something big.
>>738761984Because Carol gave it to the knight, duh.
ONCE AND FOR ALL did she groom Kris?
>>738768923Why do her and noelle both change shape in Mantle?
Why do you lust for deer, anon? It's not normal!
Noelle made me realize I am a sadist. And thats okay.
>>738757927Kris secretly likes the weird route
>>738761984Because that's how you cheat the prophecy. Kris wasn't supposed to be the hero, and while protagonist is bound by the story, that leaves the SOVL free to do what's needed. Break the prophecy that is the game's script.
>>738769271>Dess + ??? = Monstrous form with Cyan eyes>Noelle + ??? = Noelle in her Dark World form with Scary Ice magicIt's a soul, isn't it?
>>738769271I think it's a meta device to confirm to people who the characters are intended to represent in the game. I don't think the unused-in-game alt sprites will ever be like, relevant to the story.
>>738769436I mean, this *is* Tony the Fox we're talking about.Unused assets, Error handlers, and meta OOG shit are his bread and butter for foreshadowing/mystery building.
>>738769271It's the "Toriel" variable that changes them, yeah?Which probably means it's a censor, given the context of the rest of the Chapter.
>>738765154how sexy is my friend in this scenario?
>>738769679She's the hottest girl in town.
>>738734439Heh, doe
>>738753407This is true except Kris is a boy and still a bottom bitch
>>738754760you see the hole don't you?
>>738769364Kris hates that he likes it.
>>738760478But she wants it though. I understand that its hard for you, but part of being a good partner is fulfilling your lover's needs. In this case, Noelle needs you to make her think you're actually going to kill and rape her. Its the only way she can get off.
>>738770797rudy is not blackhe's north italian at most
>>738757927I'm going to break the prophecy. If I got to be evil to do that then I'll do it
>>738736318since that anon is being a NIGGER, here's the sauce.
>>738749004All the more reason to do it, gotta repopulate somehow.
>>738770987I see him as Spanish
>>738763638Yeah, but its getting there. Deltarune's ost feels more put together and grander, but Undertale still has the emotional highs on a track-by-track basis. But that has a good chance of changing in the following chapters. I'll screan KINO if Deltarune surpasses thishttps://youtu.be/42kI2lT0x6U?si=SW0af8WXjyWWAgjW
>>738747320Probably not straight up lovers but Kris seem to be very dependent on Susie. Like she's the only thing that's keeping him comfortable right now.
>spamton died and that's why Kris freaked outI mean yeah he should've, but he's actually just hanging out in Kris's pocket.
>>738771695on one hand yeah there was the implication he was just chilling in kris' pocket as dealmaker but on the other it takes away from the moment when he can just reassume his old form whenever he feels like it if he were just a talking pair of shades i think it could still work as a bit without entirely taking away from his 'death'
>>738771487noelle is latina?
>>738771695On the topic of Spamton, I'm not sure if I'm a fan of him and Jevil being able to morph from item to darkner that casually. I know that Lancer did it too, but the way Spamton is defeated made it seem like a willful surrendering of his personhood after failing to break his chains despite gaining POWER and that being why Kris damn near had a panic attack. Felt like the natural linchpin to Spamton's tragedy. The foam bit was funny though.
>>738769271>>738769648There's a video by someone who can actually read Toby's code that explains and clarifies thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnC0AQDZL8&t=385sTL;DW:>The mysterious black monster, identified as "enemy_black_deer," is modified by a "toriel" variable>The "toriel" variable is worse than useless from a practical programming perspective, so its purpose seems to be for dataminers to discover and interpret it>The "toriel" variable's function is to "disguise" the black_deer; when set to "true," it gives the enemy the appearance and properties we see in-game, with a black version of the generic monster sprite resembling Toriel or Asgore>When "toriel" is set to "false," the black_deer is properly represented as a black deer, with a complete and (intended to be) functional set of sprites>Notably, this also has the secondary function of disabling the enemy's invincibility, allowing it to be hurt (but not killed) before completing the room's puzzle>The "toriel" variable DOES NOT have anything to do with "enemy_deer," aka the White Cloak. There are a set of normal brown deer sprites in the game's files, but they are not functional or assigned to any enemy. There is no code that makes the White Cloak turn into the deer.My personal conclusion is that this is simply a very clear indication that the black_deer represents Dess, like the White Cloak represents Noelle. The black deer is hidden because Dess has consistently been hidden from us, and she might have been transformed into something else in a very real sense by becoming The Knight. The variable that hides her is named "toriel" because her sprite is replaced by a generic monster sprite that looks like Toriel.The whole setpiece itself clearly signifies something, but whether it's foreshadowing future conflict between Kris and The Knight, somehow depicting what happened in the Shelter, or just something designed to fuck with Kris like the rest of the game seems impossible to determine for now.
>>738747320>>738747528>straight If we trick Toby into thinking it's a "queer"ship we might get it to higher than 0
>>738771887She's half latina as Carol is white
>>738771887>>738772015rudolph is not a latinx name
>>738771695I mean failing to gain your freedom even after achieving your goal, becoming powerless when you're not under someone else's control, being depersonalized and treated like an object or tool to be used and discarded when you've served your purpose are all things Kris has good reason to be deeply afraid of
>>738736462>he soul?>bump eet
>>738770987Carol is North italian and Rudy is South italian.
Rudy is going to be Weird Route final boss calling it now
I'm gonna help Kris breed the doe consensually
>>738771994I thought the variable was called toriel because toriel is covering up the truth to protect kris (would tie into the omori similarities toby teased)
>>738773112I don't see how Toriel can possibly have anything to do with what happened, especially the idea of her actively covering it up to this dayWe don't know what happened to Dess, but at the very least, Toriel being the secret-keeper while at the same time divorcing Asgore and joining the town in shunning him for trying to find the truth about what happened just cannot be where the story is going
>>738771986It was funny, but I share your opinion that it DEEPLY cheapens out Spamton's death.Meanwhile Tenna gets his arms sliced off and actually fucking dies if you don't recruit all his cronies.
>>738772917optional character btwpeople who never went to the hospital will have no idea who this guy is
>>738774150Okay, but everyone went to the hospital, unless they're purposefully trying to be "that guy" and act like they don't know Rudy.
>>738774275you overestimate the normalfags who play this game as straight as possible remember that 'who the fuck is dess' was a fairly substantial meme in the ch2 days, because only people who were engaging in every aspect of deltarune had any idea who she was
>>738765154Noelle wasn't raped. Kris arguably was, but Noelle was completely into it. In fact she invited him into that room with the expectation that he would fuck her, that's why she closed the blinds.
>>738764894Correct>>738764935Kris is not "masculine presenting", he is just masculine
>>738774275>>738774325Normalfags STILL don't know who Dess isThat's why you're going to get Plot Mandated "What happened to Dess?" infodump in Chapter 5
>>738759869>>738761984Kris gave his original soul to the knight. He needs another soul because if he didn't have a soul, he would turn into a darkner in the dark world. Through some kind of ritual or other process, he summoned a human soul from outside of his reality, and that soul is (you). He resents the autonomy he has to give up by allowing you into his body and wishes you would just be a DETERMINATION battery, but he has no other choice.
Did they scissor during that Weird Route scene or did Kris just use her fingers?
>>738735548What did she do that night?
>>738774575Kris used his penis because he is a boyOr I suppose, we used his penis for him
>>738774526granted even people who engage will all of deltarune still have no idea what happened to dess outside of a vague 'she isn't around anymore' that has never actually been said aloud is she missing? is she dead? did she just fuck off entirely? we don't know because everyone except susie does and they don't want to talk about it
>>738736348Who is the Chad that raped her?
>>738774575fingers most likelyhttps://files.catbox.moe/xxgbum.PNG
>>738774634She's cryogenically preserved in the bunker. Or she was until becoming the knight anyway
>>738774676>femkris drawfag has revolting tranny artstylenot surprised
>>738774746let's see your artstyle then gayboy
>>738736641There is no other "vessel". The hop to Noelle will be permanent, because she is an ideal vessel already.
She farts while being raped
>>738774530No offense to you Anon but your post opened my eyes. If I had to explain to someone why I couldn't give a damn about the story of this "series" this post would be it: literal made-up dumbfuck lingo schizobabble hinting at depth, reminds me of Kingdom Hearts or Death Stranding.
>>738736074I'm not playing this game but do the fans actually think toby would intentionally put a sex scene that can be interpreted as forced sex into the game? That's like thinking nintendo is secretly putting sex scenes with peach.
>>738774624Kris is a futa? I can't believe Toby would have such bad taste. Noelle makes for a better futa.
>>738775005But this is very straight forward. Human souls are very strong. Kris has already shown he can remove them from his body at will. He is conspicuously missing his own soul, and explicitly working with a horrifically powerful shadow monster thing. This is leading to a dramatic flashback in episode 6 or 7 that will show Kris literally tear out his heart to try to save or revive Dess, and it partially working.
>>738775090the original intent was clearly meant to represent a loss of purity, but toby backpedalled once the people here started screaming about it being rapei don't think nintendo cares too much about this sort of stuff as long as it doesn't blow back on them, and the scene was vague enough that only the depraved would think it was actual literal rape, so the excuse would holdi personally think toby changed it because it would've made something too obvious later on, but since we don't have the full scope it's impossible to say atmit's also very possible he pussied out after release for a different reason
Dess raped Kris.Kris raped Noelle.Path of Rape.
>>738735005Carol is rich and hot Noelle.
>>738775420nokris is always the raped, never the raper
>>738775420Noelle was into it. Kris was the raped, by me. Also Dess and Kris was a loving and wholesome affair until she got hit by a car or whatever and became a dominatrix shadow demon
>>738733358P R O C E E D *PLAPPLAPPLAP* P R O C E E D *PLAPPLAPPLAP*
Honestly I'm not expecting anything too interesting from the weird route. Mainly because you have to go out of your way to find it. It doesn't seem like an actual choice, rather some gimmicky thing like UT's genocide route.
>>738774530>Kris gave his original soul to the knight. He needs another soul because if he didn't have a soul, he would turn into a darkner in the dark world. Through some kind of ritual or other process, he summoned a human soulThis reasoning is all backwardsWe were not summoned by Kris, our connection was made with Gaster, who seems to be interested in "YOUR POWER." (Determination)Getting put into Kris was unmistakably part of the plan, the plot does not work if we are in anyone else's shoes. This makes sense, because Kris is "The Cage." Their role in The Prophecy is to serve as our vessel, by fate or by choice.Kris obviously suffers despite submitting to our control, but we're also causing problems for the rest of the Evil Plan. And Ralsei also knows about us, but is keeping quiet even though he knows Kris is suffering and we're potentially putting other people in danger. Why? Why do all of these groups tolerate us? Because they NEED us.We are not here to support Kris, Kris is not the mastermind behind this situation, and there's no reason for Dess to need a human SOUL. We are controlling Kris because the "FATE of the WORLD" depends on it, on "YOUR POWER." YOU are the one who seals the Fountains, it's YOUR Determination that lets Kris overcome The Knight, and if you give up, "THEN THE WORLD WAS COVERED IN DARKNESS."Everybody needs YOU, whatever way they're planning to end or save the world, they need YOU to do it. YOU were always the plan from the start, you're not just an unfortunate inconvenience that Kris has to deal with.
>>738775729The point of the weird route is to play the game "wrong" in the same way Noelle does, and grind a character that was supposed to be a chapter guest to beat the final boss. Narratively, this will mean continuing to train Noelle and desensitize her to violence to the point she can solo the knight, possibly after posessing her to give her a power boost. Narratively, this will result in Noelle effectively killing her own sister, and then us ditching her to deal with it alone cause the game is over.
>>738775796gaster did not put (you) into kris, that was the still unknown second entity in the introwe know it wasn't gaster because a), it speaks differently, and b), why would gaster waste everyone's time allowing (you) to create a vessel only to throw it away right after completing it? why not give (you) a quick brief then place (you) in kris if the vessel wasn't ever supposed to be used?
>>738748220>the way her breasts are sagged slightly and theyre being picked up by the cupsrealistic and natural, you got to love it
the only good art of Noelle was when she was animated like a Tex Avery cartoon and smoking a fat stogie with an angry competitiveness
>>738775796Gaster is bullshit. Kris summoned us with the demon ritual>"YOUR POWER." (Determination)This is why Kris needs us yes. We allow him to open and close fountains and, without our determination, he would be an "object" and thus become a darkner in the dark world, and the behavior and goals of that darkner would be unpredictable. We will probably see him in this state at some point, when he is forced to give up the soul in a moment of desperation (in the normal route) or we intentionally ditch him for greener pasturess (in the weird route). >Their role in The Prophecy is to serve as our vessel, Their role in the prophecy is to defeat the knight and save the words, of course he intends to subvert this in some as of yet unspecified way. But he is a CAGE. He actively opposes our agency and our cooperation is not part of the prophecy.>Why do all of these groups tolerate us? Because they NEED us.They need Kris to havd human soul mojo. He doesn't need or care about you specifically, he just needs A human soul. It's actually kind of an inversion of the earlier rugpull that Kris is an entirely separate character from the player and thus an inconsistent and even contrary "avatar">and there's no reason for Dess to need a human SOULWe have no idea why she has it, but she obviously does. How else could she be so powerful, and literally covered in crystalized determination?
>>738775507The most raped girl in fiction.
>>738776250Boy. Krid is a boy
>>738761984kris not having their own soul is something you assumed, considering the more grounded lightworld of deltarune it's possible that souls don't exist/don't do anything, the game file call us device, not soul
>>738776274Who's Krid?
The very first thing that happens in the game is Gaster getting "interrupted" by someone who deliberately puts us into Kris. They made Kris into The Cage. Every part of the Evil Plan so far has been following The Prophecy to the letter. It's not a coincidence!>>738775932>gaster did not put (you) into krisI don't believe there's any way he didn't know it was going to happen or couldn't have stopped it if he didn't want it to happen, but regardless, the point was that Gaster brought us here, not Kris. The idea that Kris somehow summoned us directly is cutting out the Man in between, which we can't just ignore because that's the intro and framing device for the whole game.>why would gaster waste everyone's time allowing (you) to create a vessel only to throw it away right after completing it?The pretext of Deltarune was that it was a "SURVEY_PROGRAM." The vessel creation process was a survey, Gaster asks you a bunch of questions about your preferences via the vessel, which he expects you to shape in your own image. Most importantly, he learns your name.Gaster might be keeping you in the dark for the same reason everybody else is, if you knew what was going to happen or what you might have to do it could be an issue. It would certainly be less interesting, at least.My personal interpretation is that the intro happened in some quasi-physical location in "the Depths," and that the second voice was The Knight, intervening (or being ready all along) to seize You for The Plan. The Knight is one of the two definitive participants in The Plan, the only character with definite access to The Shelter, and probably the only character who can travel between the Light World and "the Depths," assuming that's a real thing. I also assume that The Knight is the person who is not Gaster talking to us in the ARGs.But again, that specific interpretation is irrelevant to the point of "Gaster is the reason that we're here, not Kris.">>738776161>Gaster is bullshit.lol
>>738776307Susie can open a fountain on her own implying she has a soul
>>738776358>lolNot an argumentAlso why do you keep calling it "the evil plan", we have no reason to believe Kris intends to cause anyone harm other than perhaps himself
>>738776250Kris is a girl and she makes me banana bread every Sunday.
>>738776113shit taste, noelle looks good in every artstyle
>>738776371you don't need a soul to open a fountain, you need determination, opening a fountain might be an ability that all sentient being posses
>>738776515Determination comes from the SOUL
>>738776161>without our determination, he would be an "object" and thus become a darkner in the dark world, and the behavior and goals of that darkner would be unpredictableThis is completely speculative. We have no idea what would happen to Kris if they tried to enter a Dark World without the SOUL, because it hasn't happened yet. For all we know, "Kris can't enter" means they literally cannot enter or interact with it at all, and it would just become a dark room to them.>He doesn't need or care about you specifically, he just needs A human soul.The player is specific and important. We were chosen because of our extraordinary Determination that we demonstrated in Undertale.The idea that we specifically are not important just trivializes the idea that there needs to be another human SOUL involved at all. If there's not an actual reason Kris couldn't do this on their own, the idea that someone else has taken their SOUL becomes an unnecessary contrivance in the story.>but she obviously doesThe Knight's chest gets ripped open and we sure didn't see any kind of SOUL in there.>How else could she be so powerful, and literally covered in crystalized determination?The game has drawn absolutely no distinction between the SOULs of Lightners. Humans do not possess any more Determination than monsters. There's no difference between the Fountains created by Kris, Susie or The Knight.I assume you're trying to imply that The Knight is a "monster with a human SOUL" that has become incredibly powerful as in Undertale, but aside from the question of why Dess would need Kris's SOUL if she still had her own (since the process is the two SOULs fusing), the concept does not translate into Deltarune at all. It was based on the idea of monsters being made of magic and humans having far more powerful SOULs, neither of which are true in Deltarune.>>738776418>we have no reason to believe Kris intends to cause anyone harm other than perhaps himselflol
>>738776515>>738776802It is technically correct that you don't need to be actively ensouled at the moment you make a Fountain, but you still need to have had a SOUL to supply the Determinatino in your body in the first place.
>>738776431Lucky...
>>738776907iirc the nip translation of the phone call more explicitly says that the soul itself is what's important so whatever the case is, (you) are not an ordinary soul
>>738776907>We have no idea what would happen to Kris if they tried to enter a Dark World without the SOUL, because it hasn't happened yet. We were told that something bad would happen, so it couldn't just be "Kris can't enterbthe fountain".>The player is specific and important No.>We were chosen because of our extraordinary Determination that we demonstrated in Undertale.Deltarune is not a sequel>The idea that we specifically are not important just trivializes the idea that there needs to be another human SOUL involved at all. If there's not an actual reason Kris couldn't do this on their own, the idea that someone else has taken their SOUL becomes an unnecessary contrivance in the story.The point is that Kris was forced to sacrifice his autonomy to regain power he previously gave up. Why he gave up that power has not been explicitly shown yet but is rather obvious.>The Knight's chest gets ripped open and we sure didn't see any kind of SOUL in thereThe soul isn't just like, physically floating around in the body. It's not a literal heart>I assume you're trying to imply that The Knight is a "monster with a human SOUL" that has become incredibly powerful as in Undertale, but aside from the question of why Dess would need Kris's SOUL if she still had her own She probably doesn't. The knight is most likely a darkner, not literally just Dess, the monster. >neither of which are true in Deltarune.Are you certain? Because the game dhows at least twice that the only reason Susie can keep up with Kris is that he's sandbagging. >lolKris throws a tantrum when you so much as make his friends upset, you think he wants to kill people? No doubt whatever he's trying is very risky, but the goal certainly won't be 'evil'.
>>738759884This. Him floating the idea basically gave her a stroke, him ACTUALLY successfully cucking her would definitely make her swear (as she goes to find a gun).
>>738776974you are assuming thatthe device is a soul the device is incompatible with soulsthat we are talking about the same time bending determination of undertale that can be extracted and injected into other beings and not the emotionthat soul have any inherent power in this magicless worldnone of which is explicitly stated anywhere
>>738777239The line in English is something like >"Kris... Dark World.. no soul... can't...."Because of Japanese grammar, "can't" is specifically "can't [enter]" in the JP translation. It clarifies (apparently, I don't know Japanese and I don't trust random people online who claim they do) or implies that Kris cannot enter the Dark World without the SOUL in a very real way, more than simply not being able to complete their objective (needing the SOUL to seal the Fountain)>>738777256>We were told that something bad would happenWe were not told that. The voice on the phone just vaguely warns or reminds Kris about it, for entirely unclear reasons.>Deltarune is not a sequel"A game for those who have completed Undertale""Great to see you again.""The Place Where It Rained">The knight is most likely a darknerThat is the ONE thing it cannot be. Darkners cannot exist outside of the Dark World, period.Gerson is a Darkner created from his own ensouled remains, and his existence is MORE restricted than a normal Darkner's, to the point that he can't even live in Castle Town.>Are you certain?Monsters are not made of magic. They bleed and can create and harness their own Determination without melting. Both of these are impossible in Undertale's rules."Human SOUL" is only specified twice in Deltarune's entire script, in Kris's starting class and in The Prophecy's description of The Cage. Humans and monsters are both just Lightners. No significant distinction has been made between their SOULs.>you think he wants to kill people?No, they're distressed and unhappy with their situation because it's happening anyway. Kris puts you back in even after you attempt to murder Berdly, they don't have a choice.
>>738777831there's a non zero chance dess owned a rifle given her interests
>>738777862>you are assuming that>the device is a soul >the device is incompatible with soulsNo actually, I believe we're basically overlaid onto Kris's SOUL and controlling it. But the physical SOUL is still there, providing Determination, however it works.>that we are talking about the same time bending determination of undertale that can be extracted and injected into other beings and not the emotionIt might not be exactly the same thing but "emotions" don't let you do this>that soul have any inherent power in this magicless worldThe Light World doesn't have magical spells but a SOUL is an inherently supernatural thing, and "focus your will into your blade and strike the Earth to call forth the Darkness that creates a world of fantasy" is not mundane by any stretchHumans allegedly gave up their magic in Undertale but they still had Determination and the power it grants them, Toby invoked "Determination" again for a reason. It makes sense for it to once again be a quasi-magical supernatural power, as Queen frames it when she's explaining how Fountains are made.
>>738776907>The Knight's chest gets ripped open and we sure didn't see any kind of SOUL in thereBut we do, anon.
>>738734353>I'M ANIMATING!!!
>>738778575Anyone who denies that:>The Red Soul is (You)rs>The Knight has Kris's Soul (Which is Cyan)>The Holiday Administration is controlling both Knight and Fun Gang (Through Kris)>Gaster is a real G and is our greatest fan>Pizzarina is realIs a no-brained retard who needs to play the game again (and read every piece of ARG material)
>>738778378>"emotions" don't let you do thisfair enough i was convinced all the magic stuff was happing in the dark world and stabbing the ground was a way to summon a access to it, completely forgot about the sparkles and shit happening before that
The Knight doesn't have Kris's soul.
>>738778749>>The Knight has Kris's Soul (Which is Cyan)where the fuck did you get that
>>738779012Kris has been implied to have some connection to the Cyan's soul items, leading people to believe she's the Deltarune version of the Cyan soul.
>>738779012anything to make kris knight still 'true'interesting play to also include cyan soul kris into it though
>>738778021>or implies that Kris cannot enter the Dark World without the SOUL in a very real waymy theory's always been that kris with no soul + dark world = he becomes a darkner.if it were as simple as "need the soul to seal the fountain" he'd be able to rip us out to prevent snowgrave, spilling the beans on everything to your childhood friend is a much better alternative than traumatizing her for life and killing the kinda-annoying-kid-that-doesnt-deserve-it.but if the alternative is a fate worse than death (conspiracy gang failure, kris getting darkner'd, possibly both) then its something kris will just have to deal with
If you stabbed Noelle she would most likely have the biggest orgasm of her life as she diedThe girl is a freak
>>738779012On the Cyan Soul:>Undertale 10th Anniversary's expanded ruins having Deltarune's death music while dealing with Cyan-Soul related itemsOn Knight having Kris's soul:>Mantle Mirror room (Knight also has Cyan eyes here)>Knight having Kris's body language>Knight and Soulless Kris creating Dark worlds with the same Color palette, while the Dark world we saw Susie create has a radically different colour palette>Knight appears to have similar Strength in the light world as they do in the dark worlds, implying that they've somehow kept their dark world body in the light world>Spamton, who steals ideas and motifs from everyone, believes that a Soul could grant him Freedom, the implication being that a soul might let him walk in the World of Light.IIRC there's a few more bits for "Knight has Kris's Soul", but I legitimately can't remember them all.>>738779145It's still a theory heavily dependant on Dess being the one with the Soul installed, though, even if Kris's soul might be doing a lot of the puppeting.
>>738779161Plus, who knows what a Raw soul exposed to the Dark World would result in.
There's going to be a secret 3rd route that will only be available once the game is completely released and requires you to complete both normal and weird routeIt'll end with the entire world being destroyed, not by the roaring, but by the player literally doing everything it can to have Kris and Noelle end up together romanticallyIt will be a scathing indictment of shipping culture and how far people are willing to go to see two fictional people hold handsIt's going to have the most bullshit boss fights, the worst grind, the most unfun minigames all meant to punish the shipperAnd I would do it all just to see kriselle happen
>>738751265Fake Deltarune fan who doesn't know Berdly behaves far nicer with Noelle when they're alone and only acts like an ass with Noelle in public to protect his own fragile ego
>>738779545That's the Weird Route and it's still gonna end with everyone dying because you want your choices to matter at any cost.
>>738764636>'it's tv time' rivals 'big shot' for toby's best boss songBoth are really good. I also liked the Hammer of Justice. I thought the Titan and Roaring knight's boss themes were kinda weak though.
>>738780004I agree about the Titan theme. I personally prefer the Titan Spawn theme that played earlier, mostly because of this sectionhttps://youtu.be/iRMn2HlCRFI?t=42
>>738754210Kris would do this to Noelle using Monopoly bills and Noelle wouldn't catch it until after he nutted inside herYou'd think she'd learn after the first 17 times he pulled this prank, but I guess not
>>738755543Kris double dares her to say "fuck"
>>738779969The knife twist Snowgrave will be the "True" Ending. As in the original one that the game is trying to prevent. The Truthful Ending, while the default one is an intrepid fantasy of eternal recursion that "never ends".
>>738780004'black knife' feels more like an 'oh shit' kind of song than an actual proper boss theme, it's alright but it comes across a lot weaker compared to 'the world revolving' and 'big shot''guardian' fits with the building motifs of ch4 but by itself it's unfortunately the least interesting chapter boss song because of it'chaos king' has a similar problem but it sill manages to have an identity of it's own somewhat
>>738780220ralsei flat out tells (you) that snowgrave has a high chance of being objectively worse than the actual prophecy in ch4both routes are trying to alter the prophecy, one by outright attempting to change it, the other by 'becoming stronger' than it
>>738780220The ending of the prophecy is probably what's gonna happen if you don't collect all the Crystals and eggs.
>>738779191>"Anh!~ (You) impaled me on your huge spear!~">mfw
>>738736348Secret obsession with Kris and Weird Route would only make sense if Noelle is the Knight with a split personality making her confused and act concerning.
>>738747320If Chapter 5 doesn't let you ride the ferris wheel with her or contain any seret "Flat soda/Minikris" scenes then it's officially over. You will 100% get a platonic aromantic ending or possibly Suselle. It all depend if Toby will appeal to Japanese fanservice or tries to deconstruct them like JRPG's dungeon crawlers in Undertale.
Kris and Dess are the Knight.
>>738779638Pic needs nipple outlines in the shirt to complete the fantasy
>>738780745Dess is my wife, actually.
is Susie supposed to have bad teeth, or is it just her species? they're like yellow compared to everyone else's.
Kris and Noelle seem like they'd have a bunch of kids but end up only having two. meanwhile despite displaying no interest in have children Dess ends up having 9 kids with Asriel
>>738781231>Kris and Noelle seem like they'd have a bunch of kids but end up only having two.I honestly can't help but imagine their kids inheriting the worst traits of both parents.>meanwhile despite displaying no interest in have children Dess ends up having 9 kids with AsrielDess has strong "Forgot to bring a condom but too horny to get one" energy.
>>738768923Yes, absolutely yes. Kris loved it, too.
>>738781231Kris and Noelle would probably adopt one human and one monster.
>>738781231Kris looks like he only fucks lizard women.
>>738774575SOVL cock
>>738775729But Undertale's genocide route is a big choice with major changes, I wish weird route was like it.
I still haven't played the weird routeI don't like making characters I like feel bad
>>738782157I can't believe they're all part of the soul's harem!
>>738779012Kris having a cyan soul was a thing since Chapter 1 days because of their connection with the cyan souls item, even if people are realizing this could unironically implicate femKris.
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>>738782529I can't believe Kris was an aryan little girl in Undertale...
>>738775729>gimmicky thing like UT's genocide route.fuck you...
>>738779545Toby already said there's no plans where you need to complete all save files. What you see is what you get, there's nothing beyond that. You overestimate the dog.
Canon Kris boob size at the end of the thread.
>>738782408I haven't played weird route because i don't give a shit about Noelle and I'm not going to cuck Susie who is obviously more into Kris than she is into Noelle.
>>738782523Yes, all humans are and some of the furries, too.
I deserve Kris' friends, childhood, family, and life.
>>738782653We love human booba even when they aren’t that big.
>>738782883Truth!
>>738747320Impossible.
>>738782960Flat is justice.
So I guess that Wolff fag was baiting after all
>>738779469I don't like dess knight since it requires a metric shit ton of convoluted nonsense for it to work
>>738783753Pretty much. It seems clear to me he must absolutely despise Undertale and Deltarune fans so he decided to fuck with them like this. Worst case he can always just claim ignorance and say he simply retweeted that because it was spring or something.
>>738783753Yep. He isn't part of Toby's actual team so it probably never meant anything.
