Americans are lobbying against stop killing games.They're afraid of the mold.
>This bill is based on false premise: that consumers "own" digital games with permanent accessOOOYYYYYYYY VEY
There already is less games, higher costs, and less innovation already, thoWhere was that attitude in 2003?
>>738751425>Where was that attitude in 2003?jew hands did not touch vidya yet
>>738751226Why do zoomers care about this so fucking much?
>Ownership of games is antisemitic nowHitler was right the entire time.
>>738751226Chudbros...why is California agreeing with us? I thought we hated Stop Killing Games? Aren't we a Pirate Software board?
>>738751226>if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing Just stop buying games... oh excuse me, stop buying ""licenses""
>>738751226that seems like a lot of excuses to try and claim why they shouldn't have to provide you what you paid for over long term
>>738751226This reads like a fake document.
>>738751378BERG WITZ BAUM STEINEVERYSINGLEFUCKINGTIME
>>738751226>less gamesThere's already too many games for a single person to play in a lifetime, who cares?>higher costsGames are already costing $70 and going higher, who cares?>less innovationNobody has made an actually "innovative" game in years because they all keep chasing the same trendy shit even harder than ever before, who cares?
I simply don't believe you want to keep playing The Crew. Therefore I don't support new pointless restrictions. Simple as.
>>738751585It's probably Thor being the salty bitch he is
If this document is real, then fuck the ESA; if it isn't, get fucked OP.
The subversion theory with politicians in the EU supporting SKG, is that they will fill any legislation with pork, Patriot Act style.Multiplayer games have to "keep the game alive", meaning only the big jew players will have the option to implement these measures into game development. Indie and small devs won't even bother trying, so jews will monopolize everything with their Ubisoft, too big to fail studios.
>>738751378>>738751884You guys defend when Valve does this tho
>>738751226>AmericansThese ESA faggots don't represent us.
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE SERVER TOOLS YOU HAD 25 YEARS AGOYOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENJOY OLD GAMES
>>738751585I don't know how or why but I've noticed a massive amount of people in general slobbing corporate knob so hard that they genuinely believe they want to be slaves who own nothing and still are not happy. I geel like social media has gotten everyone addicted to being in constant despair and dragging everyone else down with them. Maybe misery really does love company?
>>738752119>I don't know how or why but I've noticed a massive amount of people in general slobbing corporate knob so hard that they genuinely believe they want to be slaves who own nothing and still are not happy./v/ does this with Valve
>>738752045I have been saying time and time again that game companies, and social media sites at it, shouldn't be able to permanently ban you for no reason whatsoever, and in case of game companies, to effectively steal your hard earned money, same shit with briking whole consoles for saying a no no word like "looking for group".
>>738751226>That's not how software worksIt used to though.Until handrubbing intesified.
>>738751226Fact: it takes nothing for you to play a always online game offline>b-but muh hackeronisYou are playing a single player game>b-but muh securityYou saying that means the game was never secure to begin with>-THATS FUCKING ANTISEMITIC GOYIt sure it, get the fuck out of gaming.
>>738751378OH NO NO NO NO NO GAYBENBROS
>>738751226>>738751378This is literally the argument /v/trannies use for permabanning access to games because the person said a no-no word though. I thought you all loved the license argument?
>>738751226>result in less innovationUnlike patent laws.
>>738751226At first glance this seems like it might be a good cause, until you do a little more digging and realise:1. This accomplishes nothing but require more forward facing labels and notices in promotional material about how you can't own service games2. This movement is backed entirely by individuals who want to revoke ownership rights and see it turned over to the state while also repealing copyrights and capitalism in generalIt's a communist movement.
>>738751650>Hitler >Right
>>738751226>It will limit how developers design modern interactive experiencesI already support it, you don't need to sell me on it further.
>>738752321>It's a communist movement.>It's communist to own your own property
>>738752662YouCan't OwnService GamesThat's WhatSKGIsEntirelyAboutFuckingCommunist
>>738751650hitler didn't believe in ownership either
>>738752716It's not "stop killing service games" thoughbeit
>>738751226>would force publishers to renegotiate for perpetual rights>requires fixes that are often not technically possible such as offline versions ... and continued support>full refundsAnons told me Stop Killing Games does NOT do these things and they've already been considered.I'm against the state telling game developers they have to do anything - at all. That's commie shit and it's why Europe is poor. BUT I'm also against IP laws - all of them. I'm willing to meet half way. If people pay for a game and can't play it, then either the developer needs to offer refunds for scamming consumers or the community should be free to redistribute the game and host servers themselves. This license thing is Jew shit. They should literally write it into law: "There's no such thing as licensing a game. That's Jew shit."
>>738752018TF2 on Xbox 360 will work just fine even if Microshart shuts it down because it uses P2P connection.
>>738751939They mean less innovation in monetization, not gameplay.
>>738752716thenwhyaretheysellingaserviceasagood?
post this to scare modern "developers"
>>738751226>You will own nothing
>>738753024
>>738751724>Jon Stewart>Not a real jew like TrumpNgmi
Imagine paying for GaaSlop LMAO, stop killing retards deserve to get their money stolen
>>738753024You don't want this, games may be hosted by pedophiles, terrorists and worst of all racists, you think they're going to moderate the chat?You need us to stop little Johnny being radicalized into a chudOh sorry is this a red state?You need us to stop little Johnny being radicalized into a tranny
>>738753192Sorry you got triggered by your jewish celeb being insulted
>>738752716then replace the "buy" button with "lease" if that's the case :)
>>738752586>>738752760heh. like a pottery
Ahem:FUCK THE E.S.A.
gamers are too informed to try this shit onthey got burned way too many times with rug pull bait and switches. they will lose, gamers will win
>falling for AI generated ragebait
>>738753278>Serving the jew to own the jew is based. What are you, triggered Goyim?Doesn't work anymore shekelstein.
>>738752716Games don't need to be services
>>738753452>no uFascinating
>>738753508>no argumentStill not dying for Israel. You now have my permission to cope and seethe.
>>738752938TheyAren'tIHopeThisHelps
>>738751226>would force publishers to renegotiate for perpetual rights>requires fixes that are not technically possible Bullshit. SKG specifically doesn't apply retroactively. Existing games would not need to be brought into compliance, and new games could take the requirements into account from the early planning stage.
>>738753571>more no uFascinating
>>738753409They don't need to fool gamers. They need to fool geriatric politicians.
>>738752045Valve says I own my games. Go on, post the image. It doesn't mean what you think it means
>>738751650So was Marx. Your point?
>>738753874Forgot image.
>>738752716YouCan't OfferAServiceWithoutAClearlyDefinedEndPoint
>>738751226>many games rely on online servers and authentication, security and anti-cheat tools and ongoing updates and infrastructureThe point is that WHEN these games functionality end, they should release a patch that effectively make them not required to be always online or in case of multiplayer, let players handle the hosting via p2p or their own servers.NOBODY told you to forever maintain these yourself, you misdirecting subhuman kike niggers.
>>738753739Jokes on you, they are gamers too
>>738751226Based America and Japan. Euros don't tell us what to do, stop playing our slop and make your own.
>>738751650>frog is completely fucking retarded
>>738754095Yeah you can. See: The Crew. Stop trying to sound tough when you're just a lying shitbag.
>>738754127>multiplayerWhat's more likely to happens is that even if they do let players host their own servers, they're only gonna do the absolute bare minimum and make the players do all the hard stuff on their own. And very few of these games are actually worth playing to the majority of people (hence why it got shut down in the first place), so even if the companies go "lol okay, do what you want", it's not gonna change a whole lot.And even some turbo-autist DID do all of the work necessary to make a multiplayer game work, you're still stuck in a sad state where very few people are playing the game (because it's dogshit), so you still have almost no one to play with.
>>738751226This is a sound and succinct opinion and every reply to it is hardcore racism and other thought-terminating clichesDaily reminder that these threads don't exist to help or hinder SKG, they exist to radicalize you.
>it would force publishers to renegotiate for perpetual rightsWhy? If someone bought the game when the original license is still valid, it doesn't matter if the license is currently expired or not. It only matters if you continue to sell the game.
i knew most of you were corporate cattle but jesus fucking christ
>>738753935>THE GUN IS GOOD>THE PENIS IS EVIL
>>738754557Sorry, I should have said may. You can do whatever you want.It's about time the games industry caught up with service laws
>>738754686radicalizing people against corpos is a good thing though
>>738754686>they exist to radicalize you.And that's a problem because...?
>>738754965This. Total public company death.
>>738754970>>738754965>but I love when wealthy monsters hijack my mindless anger to suit their political goalskill yourselves
>>738754965Corporations are only slightly more evil than the average person. Call me when you start hating blacks, Jews or liberals.
>>738754949Thanks for conceding at my request.
>>738751585They're all Xbox 360 faggots. That piece of shit was only known for its multiplayer slop.
>>738755048Why would the elite want to make me hate them, exactly?
>>738751585in general they don't, SKG threads are baby gamergate 2
Out of curiosity, how many people actually give a shit about The Crew? I feel like there were probably better games to use as the posterchild of your movement.
>instead of suggesting a reasonable alternative they offer nothing
>>738755048>corpos are good, actuallyYou first
>>738755157They don't. They just want gamergate 2.0
>>738755157objective quality does not matter, it's more about picking the game with the biggest numbers and crew was that game
>>738752018>Multiplayer games have to "keep the game alive", meaning only the big jew players will have the option to implement these measuresAnon, you do realize that there are plenty of multiplayer games that don't need centralized servers? Including indie games?
>>738755157If there were we would have used them
>>738753427where do you think we are? the IQ of 4chan as a whole dropped multiple points around the hack and now its just turd worlders getting mad at nothing and spamming it for (You)s
>>738755215The Crew had the biggest numbers? But no one other than Scott ever fucking talks about it.
>>738755269why are you in this thread then, genuis?
>>738751226Not surprised when a California mayor Eileen Wang was just outed as a Chinese Communist Party agent who manipulated public opinion and lied her way through
>>738755079Of course if we're separating can and may, I can own whatever I want. Ownership isn't a tangible thing so there's nothing stopping me
>>738755307The most played games of all time barely get any discussion on the places anons tend to visit.When's the last time you saw a thread about the gameplay of [yearly sports game]
>>738755157Me. I had a car waiting for me to drive it up pikes peak and now that opportunity is gone
>>738751226Fix is simple. If its a temporary licenses outline the specific date ranges the product will be available so that I can make an informed choice. If there is no definitive end date the assumption is that I will have access forever.
>>738752045Only retarded zoomers do. Any forced 3rd party botnet is a cancer that's killing video games.
>>738751226>video games are dynamic software systemslol bullshityour server software can be reverse engineered by people in the their free timeit's nothing special at all
There is no way stop killing games can win against billion dollars corporations backed by New World Order.The case will be dragged for 10+ years. It is already dragged enough so everyone almost forgot about it. Remember how we had non stop daily threads?
>>738755697people said hell would freeze over before apple adopts usb-c yet here we are
>>738752292I think we're just fed up with underage edgelords coming here to bitch about their peepee getting slapped because they're incapable of acting like a normal human being in games
>>738755732wow... we got a worse charging cable...
>>738752045>>738752268>the chosen nation is being criticized>the usual suspects bring up steam out of nowherethere is only so much nooticing a man can endure in a single day
>>738755447Have fun in your LARP
>>738752938they aren't, are you retarded
>>738754095yes you can, literally every service business does this
>>738755697political power is actually the one thing money has to fear, because if the wrong people get control of the law, they can take it all away overnightthat's why they spent so much time and effort to control it
>>738752716then charge a service fee or refund my "purchases" when it gets shut down, lmao
>>738752716Wait, Ubisoft can't own The Crew? There goes the IP rights argument I guess
>>738751226>Europe says thing >USA explodes screaming that Europe is wrong because [babby coddled state of theirs did a Thing] SO THE WHOLE WORLD IS WRONGWhich people would suffer if the united states of America got nuked out of the face of the planet?
>>738756035they do charge you a service fee
>>738755048When did I say I don't hate them too?
>>738751226THE MOLD IS AMERICAN BABAYYY
>>738751585you think it's zoomers and not boomers and millenials with the billions of dollars being invested instead?how do you think this is somehow relevant to kids that barely got out of high school? you think they'd be capable of writing this shit even?
>>738751226>OY VEY THE CUSTOMERS THINK THEY """OWN""" THINGS
>>738756040come at us, then. i dare you
>>738756040Americans believe they have the prerogative to enslave and exploit everyone, because if they do it, someone else will, and then the USA will be worse off than if they do it first
>>738752716S a rM yS t r e e tS h i t t e d
>>738756187the world is our oyster
>>738751226>harm consumers
>>738756187>>738756218>samefag
>>738756248legit don't even know why you would think that
>>738754868lel
>>738756248>there can't be more than 1 person who like me, waaaaahlmao
The US is ran by corporations and the citizens suck corporate cock
>>738752045No, you dumb console nigger. We tell you that you don't own your games either, and that steam isn't the only store that sells licenses. That's what all games stores sell you, regardless of whether your license is inscribed on a piece of plastic or tied to an account.That's not defending steam, that's stating the obvious reality. Just like Shlomo did in his legal text.
>>738751226I don't support SKG because dude has a forehead of an egg. Smashing it with hammer might sounds nice.
>>738756356europe doesn't even have real corporations, just imitations that get crushed the moment they have to fight a real battle
>>738752045valve is just a store what needs to change is consumer's rights
>>738751226>The bill is based on a false premise: that consumers "own" digital games with permanent access.No, it's based on the fact that live service games are sold as a product and continue to be allowed to do so because the average lawmaker doesn't know anything about video games besides "it's the beep blorps kids play at the arcade".What I love about Moldman is that he made SKG's arguments airtight and its opponents can do literally nothing but make up blatant falsehoods about it.
>>WE HAD NO IDEA THAT THE GAME COULD POSSIBLY END ITS LIFE CYCLE AT SOME POINT>Actually it says right here in the EULA that this can happen.>>BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE EULA BEFORE I BOUGHT IT>Yes you did, it's freely available online. Plus, you have the option to refund if you disagree with the EULA after purchase.>>B-BUT I CAN'T BE EXPECTED TO READ A CONTRACT BEFORE AGREEING TO IT, WHAT IF IT SAYS THEY CAN KILL ME?>That's silly, plus this argument is about informed consent. You can't claim that you weren't informed if you agreed to the contract.Case closed. It's called personal responsibility.
>>738756419there are just so many higher value fights you could pick
>>738751226Amerigoys not beating the corpo-slave-cattle allegations...
>>738756356Still better than your shithole
>>738756460what about>the people running SKG are super gay and also trannyas an argument?
>>738755050>Corporations are only slightly more evil than the average person.corporations do a lot more damage to the world and the people than the average person
>>738756540corporations are made of people
>>738756535honestly a more cogent position
>>738755916That's weird. When I see a movie it has the end time on the ticket. When I buy a month of netflix I either have to pay again or get cut off after a month. When I buy 12 hours of parking my car won't get towed within the 12 hours I paid for. Even a restaurant won't force you to leave unless you cause problems
>>738756579and people are made of cells the fuck
>>738756654they are free to cut you off before that stated time. you're deluding yourself
>>738756462Just because you write something in a contract doesn't automatically make it enforceable. Courts invalidate contracts - in whole or in part - all the time.
>>738751226>games include licensed content....this is such a poor argument and so dishonest i would vote yes out of spite for insulting my intelligence like that. i wonder if EU boomers will think it makes sense though
>>738755774there is no normal you stupid fuckin retard there's only cucks and the rules they want others to follow while they watch strangers FUCK THEIR WIFE
>>738756579Not legally. Corporations are legally considered a person and this means anyone involved in the corporation is safe from all consequences that are not specifically linked to illegal conduct on their part. For vast majority of illegal activity, the corporation as a person is responsible.
Feels good to buy physical and pirate digital if it's not on GOG. I love owning video games
>this bill is based on a myth that you actually own the things you purchase
>>738756883only way to truly own a game is to be able to duplicate it
>>738752045Valve in practice believes you own your games, they just won't make the legal claim as such as nobody has been able to since like 1995.You will be hard pressed to find anyone who didn't commit credit card fraud to actually have library access revoked.
>>738754127>call right wing point LeftistWhy are they like this?
>>738751226Is this all lobbying is? Sending emails mispresenting an issue you don't like to out of touch politicians?
>>738756883>Patapon on SwitchI'm starting to wonder why Sony Japan is gutting PlayStation west.
>>738756947You're a braindead tranny. So you don't even own a pair or shoes?
>>738756984pretty much yeah, this insanity isn't just about gamesdon't look up the misinformation ford was spreading about right to repair
>>738757006>This retard doesn't grasp the concept that you can make a copy of your own shoes
When I was younger I always thought Americans were some cool cowboys who love god and their family and hate the gubermint and mega corporations trying to steal their property.Nowadays they call you a terrorist for disagreeing with their pedo goon government, rank #1 on the global bootlicking leaderboards and love getting fucked in the ass by corporations.What happened?
>>738756984You also invite them to your pedophile sex island.
>>738757072Go away corpo nigger. Nobody's buying your D&C
>>738753192Jonathan Leibowitz is such a jew he doesn't even publicly go by his real name.
>>738757006shoes aren't digital
>>738751226So, would giving the players tools to host their own private servers would be good enough to fulfill the condition?
>>738757115Neither is your PC or my video games. Tranny.
>>738756984Well, no. Generous campaign contributions and invitations to exclusive country clubs play a big role as well.
>>738752760a blatant lie
>>738757138my video games are digital thoughbeit and they're not reliant on propitiatory hardware to run
>>738757072>rank #1 on the global bootlicking leaderboards This is not true. Japan is rank #1 on the global bootlicking leaderboards.In US even when New World Order is pushing DEI/woke/troon shit people are still divided especially IRL. Corporations and government are too powerful.
>>738757261>not reliant on propitiatory hardware to runYes you do it's called a PC with windows DRM
>>738757138Not him, but you might be retarded. There is no world in which a computer program for a digital computer is not digital. That is definitionally impossible
>>738757119Absolutely, even patching games to work offline and thus with no MP components would probably be good enough, private servers would be perfect. It's why the worthless faggots don't want to make such tools available anymore, because if we can play whatever game we want with its full functionality whenever we want, there's less general incentive to buy the new thing.
>>738756693It doesn't matter anyway since payment comes after service. Right now is as well defined as any end of service date
i genuinely hate america, i want to leave this shithole as soon as i can
I hate most modern games and I especially hate GAAS games. I can't think of a single example of a game that I have "lost access" to because the servers closed down. Even so, I support SKG just because it's such a simple ask and I'm tired of living in a world where everyday consumers lose more and more ground to wealthy elites. I can't imagine anyone being against this. Aren't you tired of everything always getting worse? You should support it on that basis alone. Do you just enjoy bootlicking for billionaires that much?
>>738757340Nigga you're braindead nothing youw write makes sense just take your meds you seething poor 3rd world schizo You own nothing not even a person who loves you
>>738757430Same. I haven't touched a multiplayer game in 15 years let alone GaaS slop, but if big corpos are against it I'm for it.
>>738751226why are companies trying so hard to fight against this?just put an option for players to connect to private servers/p2p after you discontinue the game
>>738757437You could just admit to being wrong instead of impotently seething and telling me that your parents don't love you.I don't care to know.
>>738757072We were always like this, we just currently hate the corpos and government because they're woke, when that's fix (already being fixed) we reset to being how we were like Japan is.
>>738757372>lives in FREEDOMland>still wants to leave Glutton. And unironically you have privilege to leave to any country you want. While I can't and need to do shit tons of rituals just to get freelancer visa and permission to be 1st world country. And I need to have 1st world country tier salary to do that. And I can be jailed for drawing anime porn.
boomers and zoomers have irreversibly damaged this country
>FLOOR ALERTFLOOR ALERT>FLOOR ALERTFLOOR ALERT>FLOOR ALERTFLOOR ALERT>FLOOR ALERTFLOOR ALERT
Where's the source?
>>738757542Genuinely some companies cannot afford to lose the ability to rip your game library out of your hands every five years if possible, and in certain cases are legally compelled to.
>>738757734Here
>>738757562>Already being fixedOn what fucking planet
>>738757603zoomers grew up in like 3 recessions back to back, we had even less chance than millennials
>>738757737Also the whole copyright and dmca thing is a legal landmine that nobody wants to fucking touch at all if possible, because shit's on the verge of imploding.
>>738757542>how can we sell our new slop if they're still playing our old games?It's not really about the effort required in patching in an offline mode. That's easy. It's the control they want. And particularly for developers who have gone downhill in the past 10-15 years, they want to make sure you can't just sit around playing their old games when they have new, heavily monetized GAAS slop to sell you.
How come you niggers cheered for concord and highguard shutting down despite supposedly what SKG is supposed to protect from happening? Those weren't f2p live service sloppa like gachas or korean mmos either. Those were pay to play games.>B-but muh shitty gameAnd so is The Crew, an ubishit game and yet that's the poster child for this movement. Nobody cared when Anthem was shutdown either.
Ubisoft hired a third party to make Anno 2070 work offline.They've already done the work to "Show" they can comply with such a regulation themselves. They're proof against themselves.
>>738758045A game failing =/= the game intentionally being shut down and players who both probably already did host, and could host being prevented from playing.Anyone stupid enough to buy that dogshit should still be allowed to play it.
>>738756145I'm not going to punish you for crying in the supermarket, that's your mother's job. I'm fine just looking down on you
>>738758045>How come you niggers cheered for concord and highguard shutting down despite supposedly what SKG is supposed to protect from happening?Because those games were woke DEI slop, stupid tranny.
>>738757816It's not the recessions that fucked zoomers, people can easily survive hard economic times. Zoomers and anyone after them got fucked by smartphones and the digital gulag. Even Windows for young people these days is digital gulag compared to what it was like for millennials.Probably doesn't help that they are being miseducated either, but constant dopamine highs from social media fuck you up.
So what are good arguments against SKG? I feel like it could potentially limit certain games being made but i think that can mostly be fixed by letting players host the servers. Any opposers here?
>>738758045It's not really about them shutting down, it's about being financially nonviable. If dogshit games are nonviable then perhaps one can have the tiniest smidgen of hope that this dogshit AAA industry will wake up and try making something else for a change, hopefully something better. That being said I wouldn't be upset if they released a Concord or Highguard dedicated server and the 3 people who'd still play those had the ability to do just that.I don't even know what your argument is supposed to be, unpopular games exist therefore developers should have the right to remove games you paid for on a whim? I hope not, because that would mean you are extraordinarily stupid.
>>738751226It's not about the present but the future.SKG cockblocks the industry from doing slngle player games that have the data on a server elsewhere.
>>738756462I don't recall the contract stating the length of time a $60 subscription was supposed to cover
>>738758045They were bad slop, and basically nobody bought them. That being said, I don't see how it would be a bad thing if people could still play concord today.
>>738758317>Hey Picasso regulations say you need to add green paint to Guernica>Hey Beethoven regulations say you need to use a harpsicord in this symphony>Hey Wright Brothers this plane doesn't have the required number of safety belts we're going to have to demolish it>Hey developer just add an entire single player offline mode even though the game isn't designed to work like that
>>738758258>social media did this!Soccermoms strike again LMAO
>>738758384>these are the kind of niggas that anti SKGLMAO
>>738758205and the Crew wasn't? It's still a company made by the wokest devs around, Ubisoft. Also funny how this shows that /v/ has no principles huh? People get up in arms over censorship and denuvo and having a clear white and black stance regarding it but for SKG, preserving games only matter to a select few but also pushing the bill regardless?>Anyone stupid enough to buy that dogshit should still be allowed to play it.I genuinely never read or hear anyone say that, much less bring up SKG to the games' defense. There are games getting EOS'd every month while people still champion SKG and being blind or just outright not care about these games regardless, instead of you know, adding them as fuel to champion the cause that games should be preserved if you spent money on them.
>>738752045Oy vey stop going against our narrative!
>>738756952>my wife fucks other men but she still loves melol
>>738758317There aren't any.Like they can cope and scream about how it makes demands for how games are designed, but it really doesn't.Technically this would just be rolling back the provisions in the DMCA that make it a felony to legally use shit you bought and paid for.
>>738758384>hey nuclear powerplant, you guys should not dump uranium on your front yard.
>>738751226if I don't own it, it's a service and you're violating service law by not clearly outlaying the duration and frequency in the contract
>>738758384wew lad...
>>738758478Dude the only way this metaphor would work is if there was a state mandate that your wife had to fuck other men.
>>738756040Stop this tribal nonsense.
>>738758045How was The Crew shitty?
>>738758338My point is that SKG and people who support the movement should actually act up or at least stand their ground with their beliefs that games, regardless of how good or bad they are, have a right to exist in offline form and don't deserve to EoS. Yet the same people who supposedly support this movement are also the same ones who laugh and holler whenever a live service game gets shut down, when this movement existed because it wanted to prevent a live service game from being shut down in the first place.
>>738758579It's corpofags trying to incite division really poorly. Only turbo retards believe it.
>>738758583I watched an Angry Joe video about it several years back and it was a very janky racing game.
>>738758416I literally said that, not in those exact words though. >>738758368I am for bad games being preserved, I just find it hard to care if they get shit canned. Specially when the victims get a refund which I think they did get with concord.
>>738758585Nobody said that you should never be able to play dogshit games that failed you fucking retard, kill yourself.
>>738758416>uuuuuh chud if you're against murder, you can't be happy when a serial killer gets killed!!!! this is hypocrite chudYour mental gymnastics don't work here, GCJ troonoid. Go back
>>738755048>Corporations are hijacking my mind to…support something that they don’t likeok lol
>>738751226>ignores how games actually workAh, the good old "you can't have what you want because that's not how things are", as if that wasn't the whole point of getting legislators involved.>mandating seatbelts in cars ignores how cars are actually made: without seatbelts
>>738758416What was woke about the game?
>>738756947No that's incorrect.
>>738751226>no software product is required to remain available to consumers indefinitelyThank god someone is brave enough to say this. Can you imagine a world where the consumer was actually entitled to keep something that they paid money for? Perish the thought.
>>738751226>Americans are lobbying against stop killing games.Good.
>>738751226lmfao, the handrubbing is off the charts
>>738758692>Nobody said that you should never be able to play dogshit games that failed you fucking retard, kill yourself.Anon, /v/ literally keeps laughing and mocking and even getting angry at people playing gacha. Hell there are people frothing at the mouth when you say you like stellar blade because why would you play a watered down action game when better games exist? Something that /v/ parrots off all the fucking time that you can only play specific games. >>738758717That is still not a good look for your movement. Case in point, how many games do you even want to preserve under this movement? Do you even play live service games to begin with?
>>738758656Well I played it and it's no more janky than 90% of supposedly good games. I encountered a total of two physics bugs throughout the entire game. Glitch compilations aren't really representative of anything
>That is still not a good look for your movement.>"movement"Retarded GCJtroon LMAO
>>738752716Brainraped corposlave goyim mindset.
>>738758938Should not be able to and Shouldn't are two different things.
>>738758585Everyone has the right to laugh at dogshit games because they're dogshit. Just because something's dogshit doesn't mean it has no right to exist. But it also doesn't change the fact that it's dogshit.
>>738752018Retard. Small/indie devs are more likely to release server binaries so their games can be community supported forever. Corps deliberately stopped doing this because they WANT games to die to force you onto the next yearly instalment.
>>738759041It is a movement because it's not a law yet. Hell, I don't think it's even a movement because nobody is even championing for the preservation of live service games. It's all just Scott, because he's really passionate about The Crew. I genuinely never saw anyone else lament that a game was shut down. Hell if you look at steam forums for example, the most common threads are people doomposting about inevitable end of service and telling people that they're retards for wasting their time playing and spending money GaaS, which I guess in a sense is true since Steam clearly states that you don't own those games.
>>738753837You don't own them, you purchased a license to play themYou're a neet living in his mother's basement, so you don't know the difference, but in the real world it matters
>>738759110>Everyone has the right to laugh at dogshit games because they're dogshit.No no no. If you like games you should like all games and if you don't like all games you don't like games at all.
>>738751797It's certainly typeset like one, which ironically leads me to suspect it's legitimate since these modern bureaucrats can't produce an aesthetically pleasing document of any kind to save their fucking lives.
Making fun of Concord and Highguard should be illegal. It is war crime.
>>738759071I know that, but why is there drastically lesser conviction and fervor for game preservation, despite people here supporting, compared to say censorship? There are literally games that get a hint of censorship, which by far are games that /v/ doesn't even get a flying fuck about, but anons will regardless say that censorship no matter how small or big, or where it happens, is completely unjustifiable. Like look at the massive uproar about the censorship of panties in crimson desert, a game that /v/ hates for being korean.
>>738756462>>It says right here in the EULA that I can rape you in the bumhole. What the fuck are you going to do about it jewboy?Case closed, you are my bitch slave.
>>738759189Valve's statement about licences literally say I purchased the game itself
>>738759189Every crime is legal until a law is made.This "you don't actually buy but lease but we don't need to disclose" thing is clearly hurting consumers and destroying art, so it probably will turn into a crime.
>>738757542Because they want to be able to remotely disable older games to force consumers to by the newer ones. That's what Ubisoft did with The Crew, they wanted to push that games playerbase onto the sequel. This isn't even the first time a company has tried this, Apple was caught sabotaging older iPhones via software updates to push users onto newer models.>>738758317There isn't any because SKG's vision is one we've already lived through. Plenty of older games were designed to work just fine without having to authenticate to a server and private servers were a thing that a lot of multiplayer games were designed to work with out of the box. Even games that weren't designed that way, players still found a way, like all of the World of Warcraft private servers that existed. Their entire counter-argument against SKG falls apart the moment someone walks into the hearing with a pair of laptops connected to a Quake III multiplayer session.>>738758938/v/ is not one person you fucking sped. This board is infamous for the constant bickering and arguing that happens here. There is not a single topic in the world that this board can collectively agree on.
>>738751226Why are people against SKG? Don't you guys want to keep playing your beloved games and not see it die because they closed it and then released a sequel that sucks balls?????Don't you want your own (community) servers so you can play with your friends instead of just thinking"man I wish I could play X but they closed it"??I don't get why anyone would oppose this, it's beneficial for everyoneImagine if they killed TF2, at least you can host your own servers and have funWhat the fuck??? My mind is blowing up from the retarded dumbases that want to protect the companies like if they actually cared about us.
>>738759205Except the entire purpose of SKG is that you should defend games from being shutdown and/or force the devs to provide an offline version of the game to people who paid for them. You can laugh at a shitty game being shit sure, but it's also absolutely hypocritical to support a bill that is supposed to stop live service games from being lost forever while also laughing and cheering on a game that you don't like from also shutting down. Before you say it, no, absolutely nobody was asking for Concord to get an offline build either. There were some people who tried salvage it a few months ago, but got no help from SKG.
>>738756540Are you 12? Corporations are just organized groups of people working to make money.>Grr! I really hate when people get together and work towards a common goal of providing products and services to others!You're free to go back to Africa and live in a mudhut, nigger. Civilization won't miss you. Lord knows you don't deserve it.
>>738759486>/v/ is not one person you fucking sped. Judging by the responses here, it's safe to assume that genuine supporters of SKG are probably in the minority. Most are probably just fine if the bill passes and whatever niche live service game they play, say For Honor, gets an offline mode but if games continue to get killed, they will probably just move on and continue playing something else.
>>738751226
>>738759604A majority would say yes over no
GCJtroon, if SKG was real your DEI woke slop would entertain /v/ for more than a year. You should be glad it is dead and immortalized in a moment. And yes I play gaas shit. Elite Dangerous the game that was turned into always online gaas in the middle of development and up to this day is still unfinished and kept in hostage of retarded devs.I need SKG. I want to see devs bankrupt so they will be forced to release offline version of the game. And then modders will save entire space sim genre. Something that retarded devs can't do.
>>738751226>nooo we cant just support a game foreverwhy does nobody understand this point at all. just make games like they used to be.
I'd rather have corporations control everything than governments, leftist retards don't understand the consequences of their actions.
>>738759501>Don't you guys want to keep playing your beloved gamesOnly slop is threatened to disappear.
>>738751226*taps the sign*If buying isnt owning then piracy isn't stealing.
>>738759815they have denuvo
>>738759501>Why are people against SKG?The state forcing anyone to do anything is wrong by default.>Don't you guys want toGrug want play game. Grug want free food! Grug want many woman and shiny things. Is world not belong to Grug and Grug alone? Grug confused...>I don't get why anyone would oppose this, it's beneficial for everyoneIt's beneficial to the people behind the game?>My mind is blowing up from the retarded dumbases that want to protect the companies like if they actually cared about us.And by the company that doesn't care about you, just to be clear, you are referring to the company that gave you this game you enjoy, right? You sound like a spoiled child threatening to kill your mom because she refused to buy you the latest smartphone.
>>738759752It's not even thatThey just have to give you the tools to host your own servers, they can just leave it to die like Titanfall 2, players will host an anticheat system that you can download if you want
>>738759540Corporations are legally people themselves. I can hate one person without hating a bunch of other people
Will Americans ever quit begging corporations to fuck them in the ass?
>>738751226>Americans>some Jewish company go to bed Vlad
Kneel
>>738755317>genuisI want to believe this was on purpose (because it's funnier that way).
>>738759887>denACKvo
>>738759604Being against SKG gets (you)s, especially the more antagonist you are. That's all the reason anyone ever needs to make posts here.If we were able to truth serum-roofie every anon on /v/, I'd be willing to bet most would be in favor of SKG in reality. But you're right in the last part, in that they'll just buy the next sequelslop if it keeps going on. /v/ yells a lot, but at the end of the day, we're even bigger whores and big-talk-no-walk losers than reddit.
>>738759501>Why are people against SKG?because SKG is against corporate interests.anything that disingenuous astroturfers like >>738759897 say can be safely ignored.
SKG is only impossible for MMOs (devs cant just release official server tools tho). In all this GAAS games always online is just a form of DRM.
>>738759954thor won
>>738759809I'd rather have neither control everything, but that's not an option for you retarded absolutists
>>738760068>cantCan I mean.
>>738759897>It's beneficial to the people behind the game? The people behind the game stopped caring about it, that's like you throwing away a GPU just because you got a 5070You could just sell it and help someone else that could buy your used GPU for half of a new oneWhy do you think that the companies are the only thing allowed to be happy? Are you genuinely retarded? Do you like eating shit?
>>738759440A game and a license to the game are two different things. If you owned the game, companies wouldn't be able to take them from your account, but they can.
>>738759509Concord offered a full refund to all buyers. That's a valid alternative under SKG principles if you don't have another EoL plan.
>>738756984The cash (and other "physical" considerations) are delivered under separate cover more privately.
>>738760342fair.Would be interesting to see if china and korea comply with this though. Nexon particularly is infamous for sunsetting their games.
>>738760342Why do people want to conserve movies, music and artBut people say "lmao you can delete my game anytime! I sure do love not playing the game after a week because it flopped"This is why videogames will never be taken seriously
>>738760468They'll just drop eu
>>738760482movies and music are also licenses
>>738760068Any game with a proper subscription model with clearly defined limitations would be exempt, i.e., "If you pay us this much, then we will let you access our game for this length of time". You've specifically only paid for the right to access for a certain period of time and no more, so if you want to do something about that, you'd need another thing entirely. Stop Killing Games appears to only specifically target games with an up-front cost. Like if you paid $60 to purchase a game, only to be unable to access that game at all, that sort of thing. Games without an up-front cost are a separate matter. There's also the issue of "free to play" games which appear to be outside SKG's area.
>>738760068Yeah, that's one thing I never understood about how these companies think. At the end of an MMO's life, rather than let the fanbase reverse engineer all of their work and release free tools, they could just start selling the server packages and get a whole new revenue stream for a game that's otherwise completely dead. I mean, look at City of Heroes. Those stubborn korean fucks missed out on a ton of money because they wouldn't negotiate for over a decade even with interested parties continually trying to open channels. And in the end, despite all the scumfuckery with leandro and cipher, they just got their server code released to the winds for free.We've seen time and again that people will and do continue to flock to the new ones even when the old ones are operational, so that's not an excuse either.
It's stupid anyways and something only a tranny would care about.>>738751650You lost tranny
>>738759930A company does nothing, has no identity or agency, and expresses no individualism outside the people who work there. It's just an abstract concept. By hating companies, you're hating people who group up and work together - that's it, because that's all a company is. Actually, a company doesn't even need to be that, it can be a single person. So you can tell me you like me and then I announced I am now Anonymous #4732, Inc. and suddenly you hate me. What changed? Literally nothing.You have no arguments. Some soiboi kikes told you to hate corporations and you listened to them because you're poor and you recognized corporations as making a lot of money and you're jealous so you accept the fact this abstract concept, which is literally just people working for a living, would benefit you if it were evil.You're just a parasite and modern civilization is so backwards that it lets you parasites think you're the good guys. Not that you'll ever actually get anything out of it. Ultimately, this must be a result of the poor, stupid, lower class people outbreeding the rich, intelligence, upper class people, which began in the 1830s and has resulted in the population being 90% genetic mutants. But being a genetic mutant is fine, I won't blame you for that, but I can blame you for being a cunt.>>738760064I didn't say anything disingenuous. Anons told me SKG agreed with my stance. OP's picture does not. Anons told me OP's picture and SKG are not the same thing. So if you're going to respond to OP's picture and say, "Why are people against SKG," I'm going to think you're someone who thinks SKG agrees with OP's picture (which, again, /v/ says it doesn't).
>>738760557but mmo's sell full price games and expansions not just subscriptions. I bought this game why can't I play it anymore?skggers have no idea how messy this can get.
>>738760068Then maybe MMOs should only exist if your company is big enough to make offline tools? It's not like anyone is making new MMOs like FF14 or WoW
>>738760208They are two different things, and according to Valve's statement, you receive both the digital product and a licence for the digital product
>>738760848Valve has no power in any of this they can only sell what the sellers give them and that is licenses.
>>738760157>The people behind the game stopped caring about itYou don't have a right to judge whether I care about my property or not. Just because you haven't used that treadmill your mom bought you 10 years ago doesn't mean I have a right to steal it. That's not how this works.>that's like you throwing away a GPU just because you got a 5070That's my right since it's my property. You sound like those Ukrainian Jews who go sifting through people's garbage cans.>You could just sell it and help someone else that could buy your used GPU for half of a new oneI could do that. And I will if I want to. Should the government put a gun in my face and force me to do it on threat of death? No? Okay, then your argument has fallen apart.>Why do you think that the companies are the only thing allowed to be happy? Are you genuinely retarded? Do you like eating shit?I paid for a service. I got it. If I don't think the service was worth the price, then I won't do it again. That's how reality works, do you not know that?
>>738760806I can smell the dirty Yuropiss in this post.>You are NOT allowed to do this unless you meet Regulation A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J...Doesn't your Muslim foster brother need to use the computer?
>>738751226This response isn't surprising. I'm all for clear disclosure so that it's plain to see whether a game can work offline or not but all the 'let users run their own servers' memes won't stand up to scrutiny in the real world.
>>738758045Concord refunded everyone. If I pay for something and they take it away they should give my money back
>>738761084This. Letting users run their own servers is impossible. That's why no game has ever done it.
>>738761084Merely forbidding companies from suing anyone who hosts private servers for games they no longer support would already be a massive improvement.
>>738760972>You don't have a right to judge whether I care about my property or notOkay you're retarded, you're ragebaiting me.You go around wasting money and when you get scammed you go "oops, I don't care!">>738761075I can't see the future, maybe they just say "make offline servers easy to create" like Apple's Lightning cable USB C bullshit, and the right to change your phone's battery
>>738759501The people that are against SKG are either>Shills of some variety>People who think any government intervention is some 1984 shitthe former is pretty easy to understand. Company can't kill own game, they can't sell you new game. So it's against the company's interests, and being a corporation, also hire jeets to argue against it. None of these people are sincere.The latter are mostly boomers and Republicans brainwashed into believing that anything that harms rich people in any way is Communism. So they flip and freak out any time its mentioned.That is despite the fact that without government regulations, society would be significantly worse off. A world where Walmart can do what ever the fuck they want, completely unchallenged, would be 1000x worse than anything George Orwell wrote about.
>>738751226Don't worry we've got your back.
>>738751226>Council, there's absolutely no way to let players host servers
>>738752321Copyright is communism.
>>738760710If the people are absolved of all legal responsibility for the company's faults, then my criticism of the company has nothing to do with them.Stop taking it so personally. I don't hate you, just an abstract concept that you're a part of
>>738761084It would upend the entire media landscape as music/tv/movies and the entire software industry (not just games) also sell licenses for decades. SKG think this will be a nice and easy law that only effects games but the games industry won't sit back and be unfairly targeted while everyone else is selling licenses and pulling them.This has no chance succeeding the way Ross and co think at best a new disclaimer will appear when you click the buy button.
>>738760914Then they should be more careful with their legalese because they're on the hook for what they advertise. That was the whole point of the statement
>>738761328The latter aren't actually real, capital L Libertarians are unironically a glowop to make minarchists look stupid.Which should have been obvious to everyone when they entertained that misgendering someone is a civil offense.
>>738761075>he says this after Washington banned investment firms from buying houses
>>738761272>Okay you're retarded, you're ragebaiting meYou're making the same argument that the ASOIAF fans make because GRRM is taking too long to write Winds of Winter so the government should force him to do it or steal the IP or make it pubic domain. It's his series. It sucks that he isn't ever going to finish it, but stealing it from him or threatening him to do something he doesn't want to do is unethical. And all that because you want to read a fucking book. Or in this case, play a game.>You go around wasting money and when you get scammed you go "oops, I don't care!"No, I'm against that. I agree with SKG as it was described to me by /v/ and the people behind SKG allegedly agree with everything I've said - they've already thought about all this.>I can't see the future, maybe they just say "make offline servers easy to create"It's unethical to force them to pour man hours into teaching you how to play their game without their assistance. That would be like forcing landscapers to teach all their customers how to mow the lawn in the event they go out of business or move.The correct move is to make it so developers can't take action against people who provide services for their games when they no longer do. In the event of a massive flop like Concord where no player was given a fair chance to even play the game, they should be refunded, and usually this does happen anyway. Really, the solution is to simply get rid of intellectual property laws, but that will never happen.>>738761429But you're not attacking something real. The people at a company can just move and start a different company. The Dassler Brothers Shoe Factory can just split and become Adidas and Puma. If you hate those companies, but somehow swear you don't hate the Dassler Brothers, then the only thing left for you to hate is the mere concept of organized production. They're just dudes who needed food so they made shoes and the moment they slapped a name on it, suddenly you're aggro.
>>738756302>>738756327>shill forgets they were supposed to be two people who were against each other
>>738762162You don't get to decide what my opinions are
>>738761328>>738761642No, the latter is real and it's what anyone with an IQ over 130 believes unless they're part of racket. The state does nothing good. It's a tool for authoritarians whose ideas can't survive rational scrutiny. Both liberals and conservatives have a religious belief in their way of thinking and want to force it on everyone else and they do this by bureaucratically dueling over control of the military/police, who people believe have a legitimate monopoly on violence. There's literally nothing about modern civilization that wouldn't be better without the state.
>>738756960Rightoids will attack anything and everything.They'll side with the ESA out of spite. In fact you have shills like >>738752321 already pulling out the mum communism bogyman because god forbid, consumers clawing back some of their freedoms is a calamity.Either way, watch their shills use the usual political divide and conquer tactics by somehow branding SKG's as woke, or whatever the current culture war bogyman is to try to suppress support for it.>>738751226This begs the question, who are the pro SKG groups that are correcting the ESA and other anti groups lies.
>>738751378STOP BEING ANTI-SEMETIC YOU DISGUSTING BIGOT! you will pay for this
>>738762340I don't get to decide whether you're an idiot, that ship has set sail, but I do get to decide whether I call you one.
>>738762475Unfortunately we're stuck with the state, so we might as well use it against those who use it against us
>>738762515>alreayd virtue signaling about freedom when you're 100% free to not partake in services
>>738762515Don't worry, komrade, one day true communism will be tried and brown people will rob, rape and murder all the white people and you can live as King of the Niggers.
>>738762639>>738762652>The discord raid NPCs are already seething and furiously spamming their damage control talking points.The masses are not demoralized this time. Consumer freedom is calling and you cannot ignore it.
>>738762554That's an entirely different subject, but just because you want to decide what my opinions are, doesn't mean I do. You're free to think I'm an idiot
>>738761328don't forget>lead paint on toys (regulation is the devil!)>swimming in piles of garbage thanks to privatized garbage disposal>no drinking water because all water gets purchased by mining companies or the likes of nestle>toxic pesticides and foodborne diseases galore because no regulations on food safety
>>738762652Just you wait until true capitalism is tried
>>738751226>AmericansYou are brown.
>>738762742Good talk.
So you "people" would rather let videogames die because you only care about corpos and not the people that actually buy the games and spend money keeping them alive??I would've tried Concord just to laugh at it, but now I can't, and that sucks
>>738751226Everyone vote Yes on AB 1921 because this would force Sony to shut down their PlayStation headquarters in California and move back to Japan
>>738762905>So you "people" would rather let videogames die because you only care about corpos and not the people that actually buy the games and spend money keeping them aliveYup, same way I let blockbuster, toys r us, and Pontiac die without flinching. I'm sorry to all the pontiac fans out there, but we can not regulate that you remain successful and alive. Things are allowed to fail.
>>738753874Based and nazbol pilled
>>738751226I have sub 50 IQ and incapable of thinking for myself, just tell me if /v/ won or lost fucktard
I've noticed no one has actually gone into the status of SKG Cali edition, so I looked it up. Here's the current low down>SKG Cali edition (AB-1921), has been referred to a vote on two Committees, (Privacy and Consumer Protection, and Judiciary) where it was passed by both of them. >Politically it's being pushed by Democrats (liberals) with Republicans (conservatives) overall opposing, however there were 1 or 2 democrats who sided with the republicans in voting against it.Also, for those worried about this becoming an 'us verses them' sitution where the usual shills will make it a wedge issue, some good news.>Macedo (Republican) Switched her vote from 'no' on the first committee vote, to 'yes' on the second one. This means SKG Cali edition is not only winning people over, but it now has bi-partisan in support.>The bill will now be sent to the Committee on Appropriations for a vote there.tl;dr SKG Cali edition already has had two votes where it passed both time and it gained support on the 2nd vote.
>>738751226Finally, someone puts into words what I always knew. Obviously this was doomed to fail.>no software product is required to remain available indefinitely>mandates impossible legal and technical obligations, games include licensed content...>not a consumer protection bill, unworkable mandate with serious unintended consequencesReally now, all this just for "a 1.0 offline version of 'The Crew'" and similar games? You retards make me sick.
>>738762475>and it's what anyone with an IQ over 130 believes unless they're part of racket. The state does nothing good.Refer to >>738761328Unless you want to pay subscription fees to use fire exits.
>>738753602>>738755865They are though.
PC vegan bros......
>>738765617Nope! They aren't.
So how come software, ebooks, digital films, and other digital utilities and stuff get the treatment of longevity and making sure they are functional after expiration date, but not video game multiplayer services? Why are they somehow the exception?
>>738765771Because ebooks and itunes songs are purchased goods while certain video games are purchased services. Good question.
>>738752716KillYourselfKikeNiggerFaggotTranny
>>738765827Kill me yourself, communist.
>>738751939Higher cost is bullshit>oy veyy server no cheap goyim!>then stop making online only games, no need of server if game doesn't connect to the internet>.....THAT'S EXTREMELY ANTI SEMITIC GOY
>>738751226>>738751378>The bill is based on a false premise>That bill specifically calling out that purchaes thes days are considered permanent lisences, and everything else that has a term license has a specific end date that's followed, and permanent liscences aren't being followed permanently Way to fucking slam dunk this case for STG, Entertainment Software association. Holy shit.
>>738752716Then why are they selling permanet services and then taking them away before my lisence is complete?
>>738766163>everything else that has a term license has a specific end date that's followed>permanent liscences aren't being followed permanentlyI wonder if the real reason people discovered the 30 day timer on their digital purchases on Playstation was Sony testing how licenses with a specific end date would work out. Don't want to lose your games despite buying a permanent license? Good news, game licenses aren't permanent anymore and explicitly last X amount of years. Problem solved.
>>738766163>everything else that has a term license has a specific end date that's followedYou just made that up.
>>738765824Then why are these services sold at 60-70$ at upfront charge as if it is a good? Also games were always treated as a product before always online crept in and changed definitions. People recognize that a one-time purchase implies durable access yet its somehow different with online video game sevices despite the user being charged the same amount as an offline singleplayer standalone game and that's bullshit.Also Itunes and ebooks songs remain accessible as the files exist locally or can be re-downloaded, essentially a functional offline state. SKG asks for exactly the same thing.
>>738753370Seriously we need courts across the world to say "Buy means Own, end of discussion".
>>738756462Fortunately, EULAs are immediately discarded in the EU when the law comes rising, because the EU doesn't suck corporate cock like America does, Amerifat
>>738766254You weren't sold a permanant service and saying "why" in front of a lie doesn't cleanse you of being a liar.
They're advertised as goods. They're sold as goods. They are operated like goods. Does the button on the store page read 'Purchase License'? No, it says BUY. >But the fine print says 'purchase of this digital item is a license'Still has to say 'purchase of this digital item'.
>>738759698It costs money to keep a bar going. It does not cost money to keep a singleplayer game going.>but the online conte-Which you chose to add for no reason. You made your bed, sleep in it.
>>738766382>Then why are these services sold at 60-70$ at upfront charge as if it is a good?That's what they decided to do. Are you going to make upfront charges for services illegal? > Also games were always treated as a product before always online crept in and changed definitions. People recognize that a one-time purchase implies durable access yet its somehow different with online video game sevices despite the user being charged the same amount as an offline singleplayer standalone game and that's bullshitThen don't buy those services? >Also Itunes and ebooks songs remain accessible as the files exist locally or can be re-downloaded, essentially a functional offline state. SKG asks for exactly the same thing.Those are goods, not services.
>>738753874>>738753935>Never worked a day in his life>Did everything possible to not work>Complained when his sugar daddy could not pay for his lifestyle anymore>His children starved to death>Was a Journalisthttps://youtu.be/L8XbI9aJOXk
>>738751226I'd very easily believe you, buts o u r c e ?
>>738751378how is that incorrect?it is 100% a false premise
>>738751378Shut It Down
>>738766487huh?
>>738766440What was I sold? A lisence or a game?
>>738766658>'Purchasing a digital product doesn't mean you have purchased that digital product'
>>738766856All media is licensed, so you were sold a licensed game, and that game was a service and not a good.
>>738766868yes
>>738752716>>738752321>>738765870Poo covered hands typed these posts. Sorry sir your visa expired, you have to go back.
>>738766541>That's what they decided to do. Are you going to make upfront charges for services illegal?None answer. The question asked wasn't regarding its legality but whether you can structure the price of something like a good while structuring the obligations like a service. >Then don't buy those services?How much of a soulless jeet do you have to be to even say this? by this logic, no consumer protection law should ever exist, because you could have chosen not to buy the faulty product, the misleading investment, or the undisclosed document. Consumer laws exist to make things clearer for the consumer because a corporation was being a snake somewhere, muddying the waters.>Those are goods, not services.who decided that, and how? by what criteria is a $70 one-time-purchase game a service while a $15 iTunes album is a good? Apple and Amazon faced enough pushback that they couldn't get away with calling music and books "services," so they didn't. Game publishers faced less resistance, so they did. The category wasn't disclosed clearly at point of sale, so consumer resistance was never properly informed. This is the issue.
>>738767050>frog talking down to anyoneGood one
>>738766995Ah, so then you just sold me a product without an agreed end liscence date.Go to jail now
>>738767208You signed the TOS, you agreed to the license date being whenever I choose.
>>738760068>devs cant just release official server tools thoOf course they can, just give me a .exe to host a server on my computer so I can play with friend and voila
>>738767087>The question asked wasn't regarding its legality but whether you can structure the price of something like a good while structuring the obligations like a service.Well you can. Full stop.>by this logic, no consumer protection law should ever exist, because you could have chosen not to buy the faulty product, the misleading investment, or the undisclosed document. Consumer laws exist to make things clearer for the consumer because a corporation was being a snake somewhere, muddying the waters.No you'll get your little symbol on the packaging and small trex in promotional material telling you that it's a service. Same as before don't worry champ.>who decided that, and how?The developer and by structuring the game as a service. Your awefully fucking retarded. Do more research on your end. You shouldn't have this many questions this late into SKG. Stop feigning retardation for attention.
>>738767208I didn't sell you a fucking thing and I'm not participating in your faggot LARP you bored NEET.
>>738751650Cool it with the antisemitic remarks
>>738752045Valve are the semi-benevolent dictators of PC gaming but I wouldn't complain at all if they had some of their control taken away either
Sorry jews, either stop with the GaaS, or keep that server online if you don't want to see the inside of a prison cell. These are your options.
>>738756474if it's so low value why are people defending it so hard
>>738751226>point 1good, maybe this can correct that nonsense.>point 2and stop killing games is literally about reversing this very point. also "anticheat" is a non-issue.>point 3i can still pop in a disc of a game that uses licensed music and play it just fine. your license to sell it is irrelevant. also "oh no, things could be harder or more complicated" is just impotent bitching. deal with it. do better.>point 4>continued supportcontinued support is not mandatory. this would be evident if you actually read what is proposed, but you didnt, and you're just in conceptual opposition. >refundsyeah, if you reneg on your end, you owe it to the consumer. thats the point.>point 5it doesnt take any rights away from creators. the same way environmental regulations dont take away rights from factory owners/operators. all it says is "you sold it, they get to use it". revoking service isnt a right.>point 6it absolutely is pro consumer, as clearly illustrated. there is no shortage of games. there is no shortage of games that dont even need to worry about this bill because they arent live service or "licensed" software. "fewer games" is meaningless. higher costs is a joke when setting up the necessary tools to accommodate skg really isnt that difficult or complicated, and "less innovation" is pure cope.there is objectively no argument against skg in this.
>>738767697Looks like they're exercising their 3rd option, vote it down democratically. Sorry communist.
You don't own the hotel room just because you bought your stay in it, fucking entitled imbeciles
>>738767362>Well you can. Full stop.Not an argument and again, not what is being asked. were asked whether you can structure pricing like a good while structuring obligations like a service and the answer "yes" would require justification, not a full stop. >You'll get your little symbol on the packagingAre you fucking serious? Do you even read the shit you type? That's literally arguing in favor of SKG. Your little symbol on the packaging idea is asking for disclosure which is something SKG is literally asking for with end of term service. If the remedy to misleading transactions is clearer labeling, you've just agreed that the current situation involves insufficient disclosure.>The developer, by structuring the game as a serviceA circular argument. Very cool. Who decides it's a service? The developer. How? By deciding it's a service. There's no external criterion or standard so it loops back without making a point all because le it just does!Also I like how much of a raped faggot you are by the fact that you keep using my pic related because you are seething so hard.>Your awefully fucking retarded. Do more research on your end.Cool "argument". I accept your concession
>need comb>go to comb store>accidentally buy comb service instead of comb good>get angry and make selling services illegal
>>738755785valve sucks kike cock, thats why they didn't even try to make their own payment processor and bent to the demands instead and bought a yacht company with the bribe money
>>738762905Anon, you don't understand. If the government does anything, IT'S LITERALLY 1984! It's literally the same thing! That why we shouldn't have government regulations at all!Well besides the ones I'm used to like safety regulations, food regulations, medicinal regulations, fraud, proper disposal of waste, structure of houses, being legally required to pay your employees, how banks work, traffic, copyright laws, how to handle sensitive information like credit card info, identity theft, retaliation against whistleblowers, discrimination hiring, etc.Also ignore how Meta, a corporation, is currently lobbying governments globally to implement ID verification for the sole purpose of decreasing loses when ads are shown to bots, and how if the government didn't exist, Meta would just implement ID verification on its own while collaborating with every other tech platform.So yeah, if video game companies can't just fucking steal back games you bought, it'll be literally 1984 or some shit.
>>738752321YOU HAVE FAILEDYOUR IZZAT IS MINE
>>738768239>we need more government because the corrupt government is doing the bidding of Zuckerberguhhh... great argument....
Tune in May 14th to watch the latest hearing on this in California.https://apro.assembly.ca.gov/hearings
>>738767980>Not an argumenWe aren't arguing. I am teaching you lessons. Learn to learn.>and again, not what is being asked. were asked whether you can structure pricing like a good while structuring obligations like a >>738767980>service and the answer "yes" would require justification, not a full stop.Yes you can. No you don't need justification. > Very cool. Not really.>There's no external criterion or standard Critical portions of gameplay are hosted on a server outside the code written on the media you purchased. My fucking god. You literally can not seriously be trying to discuss SKG without even knowing to begin with what defines a service game. Fuck you you time wasing sealioning faggot. >keep using my pic related And I will keep doing that you statue posting smug emoji cunt. >Cool "argument". I accept your concessionAgain, we aren't arguing, I'm teaching you a lesson. If we were arguing you wouldn't be asking me for advice.Hope this helps.
>>738767898Cool, then they shan't be getting my money, and I know to them that's worse than a thousand holocausts.
>>738768239The free market could improve all the things you mentioned>food regulationPeople find out the sellers are making shitty stuff then they stop buying from them>how bank worksPeople see their bank sucks they stop using them>medicinal regulationsDont know what this is to you, it would be great if I could buy morphine over the counter in the pharmacy >being legally required to pay your employeesIf you don't pay them you risk your business having a bad reputation of not paying workers therefore you run out of workers so your business failsEtc etc etc
>>738768543>People find out the sellers are making shitty stuff then they stop buying from themSKG has made it this far precisely because your statement is wrong, however
>>738751656Fuck you and fuck that retard. I hope it burns alive.That's right I called it, it because it does not deserve to be categorized as human.
>>738768370Anon, what the fuck do you think Meta is going to do if the government didn't exist?>Aww shucks! There is no government for us to lobby...>Better not implement ID verification ourselves...Why the fuck do you think companies lobby governments in the first place?
>>738768543>People find out the sellers are making shitty stuff then they stop buying from themget ready to eat literal shit buddy cause a truly free market has no regulation on what a company can get away with and they have no obligation to tell you
>>738768604Im not wrong, is merely meant to show what would hypothetically happen, also skg has made it this far because people are entitled pieces of shit who have insane subjective normative beliefs
>>738751226Can we finally drop the LARP and admit that ameticans are the source of all evil in the world?
>>738751226I didn't even get 2 paragraphs in. Burn it all to the ground. Fuck these people.
>no goyim, we never sold software licenses that were entirely your own to do as you pleased, your memories of a better past are antisemitic, now buy the subscription
>>738768097>have wonderful 10 year old comb>comb breaks, need a new comb>all you can get at the store are comb subscriptions, where a man delivers combs whenever you need it but breaks all of them when you stop paying>"wow this sucks">everyone loudly gasps and shoots you for being a fucking socialist
>>738768676They dont get away with it though, the result people just dont buy from them lolAlso theres literal labs that exist where stuff can get analyzed and you can know what things are made of, you believe the food that is made is some sort secret formula hidden in a locker or something like a cartoon
>>738768507*tips fedora*
>>738768687>EntitledYet those companies think they are entitled to our money. The whole point of SKG is that game developers need to stop abusing their customers trust, precisely because they want games and gaming to keep existing. You can only fuck people over so many times before they learn your products exist only to fuck them over, and they stop buying from you. SKG doesn't just protect consumers, it protects developers, from themselves in this case.
>>738768604Ummm no. It hasn't made any ground anywhere relevant and will not pass round 1 in the US congress.
Why can't this be about new games? Devs can't retroactively change a lot of games that rely on online features, but they can start making games that will work 100% offline as well as connected to the internet. It's definitely possible, unless we lost the technology to do that or something.
>>738768881Entitled implies a forced behavior, companies dont force you to buy their products therefore companies cannot be entitled
>>738768752>now buy the subscriptionThat's the funny part, service games that USED to be one time up front charges will now be required to subscription services if SKG passes. Because SKG demands end of life service dates, but end of service dates are impossible to predict, so to avoid legal issues devs will charge by the month. Thanks SKG!
>>738751226>unintended consequencesOkay. List them.
>>738768892>It hasn't made any ground anywhere relevantEU is literally the only market where companies get buckbroken on shitty business practices tho USB C chargers as standard and removable cellphone batteries are the two more recent changes that come to mind
>>738768448>Critical portions of gameplay are hosted on a server outside the code written on the media you purchasedSo they say
>>738768987>Why can't this be about new games?The one in california is, it's specifically for any games available for purchase after January 1st 2027. I guess it does apply to the longer and currently running games like WoW
>>738768787Sorry but this LARP isn't believable on the grounds that you are still clueless about the difference between goods and services but in your analogy you are somehow smart.
>>738769053Making service games isn't a shitty business practice>>738769063Fuck off, commie. I'm done replying to you.
just release the means for offline play on EoS
>>738769194So you say
>>738769194>Making service games isn't a shitty business practicePFFFHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>738768448>We aren't arguing. I am teaching you lessons. Learn to learn.Wowee. What a cool dominance move to avoid accountability for his retarded claims. Someone genuinely teaching doesn't need to establish that they're winning, faggotron.>Yes you can. No you don't need justification."Yes you can" is a claim. "No you don't need justification" is a claim about the claim. Both still need justification. Saying you don't need to justify something doesn't make it true.>Not really.Seems like it is if that's the only way you know how to argue.>Critical portions of gameplay are hosted on a server outside the code written on the media you purchased.The only thing out of your retarded claims that has substance, yet falls flat. Even if server dependency defines a service, that says nothing about whether charging a one-time purchase price for it is honest. Your criterion explains what a service game is, not whether selling it like a good is legitimate. Also you're allowing the seller to determine the legal nature of the transaction by making engineering choices the buyer had no input on and often no knowledge of. >And I will keep doing that you statue posting smug emoji cunt.Ah. Thank you for admitting you are arguing in bad faith>Again, we aren't arguing, I'm teaching you a lesson. If we were arguing you wouldn't be asking me for advice.Again, what a cool dominance move for a fag to avoid any accountability for his retard claims. You look more like a faggot than any "teacher"
>>738769028>Because SKG demands end of life service dates, but end of service dates are impossible to predict, no nigga that's not what it's saying, the requirement is that whenever the publisher decides to bring it to EOS they must give a 60 days notice. The consumer isn't told from the start when EOS is going to be.
WHAT PART OF " YOU WILL OWN NOTHING" YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND?
>>738769352I will own something and I will be unhappy!
The repeated flops of games like Concord just keep exposing the flaws of the "Games as service" model >pay for game>game doesn't fulfill projections >game gets shut down >no way to play the game you purchased
You don't own the game bitch, go build a rocket boy
>>738751226Why do they even care? Just pull out of any market that doesn't play ball.
>>738769546my pirated copy says otherwise
>>738751226The American gaming industry is dying, why would anyone care about what they have to say?
>>738769314>Both still need justification.No. There is literally zero legal precedent to require a legal business venture to display business justifications. Fucking dimwit. > Even if server dependency defines a serviceIt does. It's exactly as I stated. >that says nothing about whether charging a one-time purchase price for it is honestOh great, the communist want to send people off to prison because he personally felt a price point wasn't honest, but bough it anyway. Fuck off. >Thank you for admitting you are arguing in bad faithThank you for admitting you are arguing in bad faith
>>738768992>companies dont force you to buy their productsThat's kinda why they lobby to bring in shitskins that have no problem sucking slop from a hose
>>738769028>endless deaths of games, that I then get for freeTHANK YOU SKG>kills the western industryTHANK YOU SKG
TOTALJEWBANKRUPTCYSOOOOON
>>738751226Reminder this is the same retard org that gave us ratings and fumbled E3.
>>738769746>There is literally zero legal precedent to require a legal business venture to display business justifications"Breach of implied covenant of good faith" is literally a legal precedent
>>738769746>There is literally zero legal precedent to require a legal business venture to display business justificationsCalifornia AB 2426
>all games will require subscriptions Bullshit. Think about how competitive the subscription market would be. Nobody wants to pay more than a handful of subscriptions and they'd be competing with the likes of Gamepass. Is that really a more viable business model than patching the authenticator?Besides that there's already plenty of games coming out that wouldn't need to change. Go on, name all the games that came out this year that would be released under a subscription
>>738768543The Free Market absolutely solves 0 (zilch) of those problems, and only enhances those problems.Anyone who lives in fucking reality can already tell you that “lmao just vote with your wallet” doesn’t actually work in real life.Also someone shouldn’t have to choke on woodchips just so company A could possibly get boycotted, while company B, C, D, E, etc. all put woodchips in their food anyways and no one has a choice.
Why are Americans always so evil?
>>738770557>I literally cannot just not buy somethingpathetic
>>738769746>No. There is literally zero legal precedent to require a legal business venture to display business justifications. Fucking dimwit.What the fuck? I wasn't asking about anything legal related. I was pointing out that an unjustified claim isn't an argument. completely irrelevant to what is being asked retardo ricardo. >It does. It's exactly as I stated.That's a reassertion not an argument. I already accepted server dependency as your criterion. The issue is that you're letting the seller determine the legal nature of the transaction through engineering decisions the buyer had no knowledge of or had any say in the process to sway.>Oh great, the communist want to send people off to prison because he personally felt a price point wasn't honest.Communism and sending people off to prison wasn't mentioned at all. You seem to be a commiefag since you love to talk about it all the time.>but bough it anyway.Deflection. The 'you bought it anyway' is the exact 'don't buy it' deflection that already failed earlier in this conversation.Also its "bought" not "bough" maybe not be a seething faggot next time so that you can see the words you type?>Thank you for admitting you are arguing in bad faithThe fuck does this mean? Am I talking to a real person or a jeet bot that just repeats phrases and my pic related's back to me?
>>738770702They were raised as consumer cattle, see >>738770713
>>738752321why are you like this....you aint gonna get shit except owning less ill tell you that
>>738752716corpo/rich bootlickers like you need to get hanged infront of their headquarters and see if they give a fuck about you subhumans
>>738769746>ad hominem>ipse dixit assertion>strawman, ad hominem>Tu quoque
>>738771242I feel the same about leeches like you who produce nothing
>>738770751>The issue is that you're letting the seller determine the legal nature of the transactionNo, 80 years of copyright law did that. Every piece of home media you have ever bought is following the same rules and it's all perfectly legal.>the buyer had no knowledge of or had any say in the process to sway.The buyer can read the back of the box or the store page it's all there.
>>738770309Well yeah no shit you need to disclose whether or not it's a service. You don't need to justify selling a service.
>>738771242I would say the same about you and the government but the government would like to see you hanging since that way they justify state police
>>738770702We're the good guys.
>>738770751>the buyer had no knowledge of or had any say in the process to sway.Then start researching what you buy before buying it. It was advertised before hand, you were ignorant of it.
>>738770702Shalom
>>738769746KWAB. -1000 izzat, sar
>>738771439>government rules for corpo bad>government rules for civilians goodyeah kill yourself
>>738769746Fuck up cuck
>>738771691No government at all would be better, bitch
>>738751226Why do amerimutts love licking Israeli boots so much?
>>738771295the rich produces nothing, they just got lucky making bets. the workers produces stuff
>>738771691Rules only exist for the poor anyway. Those with the means and connections can bypass it with ease.
>>738751226man, the way it's described is like they don't even want us to consider the idea of permanently owning software ever againabsolutely disgusting
>>738771651Fuck off, child.
>>738751378>This opinion given by the ESA assumes they are entitled to my money because they assume they are "guarding the value of their industry and the value of the products in a fair market they are upholding"Sorry ESA but E3 was just one domino....
>>738771785Workers don't produce, they didn't buy the materials, the tech, the logistics etc
>>738771857You think American jewishness can't reach new heights, that it cannot possibly overtake the last peak, but then you see posts like this and you wonder for how longer will Whites keep tolerating their existence.
>>738771393>No, 80 years of copyright law did that. Every piece of home media you have ever bought is following the same rules and it's all perfectly legal.Cool. Copyright law also never anticipated always-online games being sold at full purchase price with no disclosed expiration date. This a real case of the law being behind the technology, which is exactly why SKG exists.>The buyer can read the back of the box or the store page it's all there.This is the disclosure argument you already conceded which was the requirement of better labeling because better disclosure is literally one of SKG's demands. Congratulations for agreeing with the mold man.>>738771541>Then start researching what you buy before buying it. It was advertised before hand, you were ignorant of it.Sorry but that's not a sufficient standard when sellers have every incentive to obscure unfavorable terms. "you should have researched it" is not an acceptable standard because in no other consumer context do we accept this standard. Food doesn't just have ingredients listed somewhere in a database you could theoretically find, it's required on the label. Financial products don't just have risk disclosures buried somewhere online they're required to be prominent and clear. SKG wants clarity with our games.
>>738771857Apple recently bent their knees to right to repair act, stop being so cynic. It's a long and hard battle but it is possible.
>buy season pass for ski resort>bad snowfall so everything basically closed >they only do snowblowing for the kiddy part since the conditions suck>go to EU>hey they sold me a season pass and I can't use the slopes, you should force them to put snow on all the slopes, its easy it will just cost them a little extra>ski resort operator comes in>actually it would be crazy expensive and non viable for us to snowblow on all the slopes, even if we were able to do it, the costs would be prohibitive and we wouldnt be able to stay open>uhhhh well thats not my problem, if you can't give me snow on your slopes all season long then you deserve to close, you sold me a season pass after all >internet pipes up>yeah it sounds hard to snowblow all season long on every slope, its not a realistic expectation>ACKTYUALLY im an EXPERT skiier and its EASYY we do it all the time at MY resort and its CHEAP>why are you going to the EU? just go to a different ski resort...
>>738771943that has nothing to do with what he postedworkers mostly do not produce things, they assemble things from raw materials purchased by someone else, and are offered compensation for their assembly labor why do you pretend to not understand that concept?
>>738771285Pro-corpo shills are doing their damnest to turn this comic into a reality.
ITT : Oy vey
>>738772001This >>738771943was meant for >>738771789
>>738751650>The Jews and shills coming out in force against this postLmaoing
>>738772063Stop noticing the patterns
>>738751226a bunch of poors literally just built a gold statue for Trump kek. America is dumber than India and Americans should not have an opinion on anything
>>738772001We're gonna fucking kill you beak nosed kikes together with your entire families, old and young alike. You realize this, right?We're gonna shoot every single one of you and throw your putrid corpses into mass graves, turning your holocaust fanfiction into a reality you wanted so much. I just wanted to make sure you knew this, you understand, yes?
>>738756462You are a dumb fat Jewish faggotNote that by responding to my post you agree to my EULA which states that I can fuck you in the pooper with whatever instrument or bodily part I see fit to use whenever I want for the rest of your life
>>738751226>"own"this sounds pretty irrelevant, it's still a licensed product even if it's made possible to play without company servers>how games actually workskg has always been about setting up your own servers to play on so i don't see how any of these points matter>licensesnever been an issue with offline games so why is it a problem now>muh moneynot an issue if you actually deliver, which you can>taking away rights from creators*translator's note: consumers shouldn't have rights but corporations should>fewer games with less innovationonline games are innovative? all the stuff i've ever seen in online games have been taken from offline gameswell, other than gacha shitalso online games are dying en masse already so this just makes it sound like they're offloading the blame on the consumers again
>>738751650>brings up Jews out of nowhere Rent free
you can buy a gamego to the owner of the game and offer to purchase the rights to the softwarethen you can do whatever you want with it, if they are willing to sell it to you>reee thats too expensive!right, because you're actually purchasing the rights to the software, that little $50 you spent or whatever is for a software license which allows limited use of the software for a specific purposewith that out of the way, I hope people can now move on with their lives if you want to save a game from dying then you should go start a crowdfund and purchase the game and develop/operate it as you see it, but my guess is you don't actually care that much and just want to see if the gobermint and do some heckin terrorism on your behalf
>>738751226why is it always. fucking. California
>>738772196Anon please. This is a buckbroken amerishart. The mods are golems too and won't like this post.
>>738768239Holy shit imagine still spewing this bullshit, if Facebook is throwing around money over age verification stuff it's to minimize how hard they get fucked, it's entirely on the states, it can be clearly seen how it benefits states and their values, anti corporate obsession is a mentall illness and everybody with it should fucking kill themselves
>>738771938>Copyright law also never anticipated always-online games being soldHow do you know that?>games being sold at full purchase priceFull purchase price doesn't mean anything, they can charge whatever they want. Only clueless gamers think $70 comes with any entitlement for length of entertainment.
Don't care what some israel-serving amerimutt companies thinkThis is about the rights of EU citizens
>>738772285No amount of vacations will stop what's coming nor my finger from resetting my router.
>>738771952well at least it's not a food analogy, still pretty dumb to use something that legally falls under "an act of god" for an analogy when it's not relevant to the current discussion.
>>738772196oh look a tough guy. you won't do shit you shut in
>>738755157The Crew was the perfect point to start because it was made by the French in France. Ubishit tried to pull an anti-consumer scam in one of the most pro-consumer countries. That's why they announced that The Crew 2 will have an offline mode so quickly.
>>738772196Three letter agent glow so bright
>>738772170America is not a christian nation. They have been rejecting the teachings of Jesus for a while nowThey formed some kind of zionist satanic religion where they worship billionaires and israel
>>738754557That's illegal in Europe. That's the hook.
>>738772279because that's where the vote is taking place?
GOOD OLD GAMES>GOOD OLD GAMESGOOD OLD GAMES >GOOD OLD GAMES cannot be shilled enough fuck gayben
>>738751585Because lots of them grew up with and have nostalgic love for a generation of games that they now realize are propped up on chairs with nooses around their necks?
>>738771857>>738772001>they didn't buy the materials, the tech, the logistics etcright, so why don't the ceos assemble and produce using the stuff they already bought for themselves?>are offered compensation for their assembly laborThis is disingenuous and you fucking know it. They pay as minimal as they can get away with, not a fair wage. And if not they outsource it to some third world country at lower pay, all while ruining the economy. And they get to do it because some retarded president deregulated corporations. Corpo needs regulations for capitalism to function correctly for the people not for the rich.
>>738771938You'll get your lable on packaging lil commie bro, don't worry.
>>738772372Kike. >>738772391Also a kike.I heard your people enjoy living under floorboards. Better start training now.
>>738766590It's even worse, he was exiled to Britain.Imagine. Ugh.It's pretty funny the guy who wrote Das Kapital (which nobody has ever actually read just the manifesto because it's thick as porridge) was stuck in the country most enjoying the benefits of the economic model he was railing against. That's rough man.
>buy a book>publisher decides to end support>guy busts in my house to take book away and burn it
>>738772406The founding fathers were not christians
>>738771952Well said.
>>738772493Correct. They were freemasons and also faggots.
>>738751226OY VEY
>>738772471>fair wagePlease define this
>>738772492>buy online only bookforgot that part
>>738772492>*BANG* *BANG* *CRASH*>YOU DIDN'T PAY YER MONTHLY FEE TO FOODHUB. JOHANNES, GET THE PUMP WE'RE EMPTYING HIS STOMACH.
>>738772573The amount everyone should be paid that I personally don't feel any economic or social negatives from and especially doesn't make me pay any taxes except for black people because I just don't like them very much.
If this passes will chink companies have to support their gacha after EoS with offline version, or does this not apply to F2P games?
>>738772298>How do you know that?Because it was documents written in the 1800s that requires constant legal challenges to it in order to be changed? And has been in legal fights till this day as theres a lot of uncertainty? That uncertainty is exactly why legislative solutions like SKG are being proposed for the case of online vydia. If copyright law had cleanly resolved this nobody would be debating it.>Full purchase price doesn't mean anything, they can charge whatever they want.So by your logic a company could charge $70 for something that disappears tomorrow and that's fine because price is meaningless. If price communicates no expectations whatsoever then you've just admitted consumers have no way of knowing what they're getting from the transaction at all, hence why we would need something like SKG to try and fix. >>738772476>ad hominem retardationAgain, congratulations on agreeing with the mold man that we need disclosure of our online games via labeling. You can fuck off now, faggotron.
>>738772196As a moderate antisemite I recognize this poster comes off a little strong but he really does have a point if you think about it. Perhaps the best solution is to just deport all Jews to their Rothchild LARP of a country and let browns and yids fight each other over their desert shithole forever.
>>738772583Even that is a bad comparison, because you can still easily copy that book to a file you can backup and keep it to enjoy forever
>>738772583>buy online only book with an EULA that says I can break into every buyer's home and rape their children>this makes it fair, moral and righteous in the mind of the average Amerimutt kike
>>738772639the california bill doesn't apply to F2P, dunno about the EU stuff
>>738772667fucking moderate antisemites. Get off the fence and throw some bigger stones you lazy shit.
>>738772654>Because it was documents written in the 1800sWrong lol. You should stop talking.>So by your logic a company could charge $70 for something that disappears tomorrowYou know the crew was up for 10 years right? So disingenuous because you have no ground to stand on. You'll see on June 17th when you get a reality check.
>>738769746Unequivocally jewish post
>>738772756I was making a joke at the expense of the infamous moderate Muslim fren
>>738752018>Be me>Play a shitload of games from smaller studios>They all release for free the server binaries >No AAA games I know of do this
>>738772689>schizo ramblings
>>738772776How about one year then?
>>738772854Concession rejected, please face the wall you dysgenic headed hooknose Israeli yid nigger.
>>738752716Just bans games as a service unless it charges a monthly fee like wow.And at any point it stops charging that monthly fee it reverts to being a product and now needs to comply with the law
>>738772935Change the name of "stop killing games" to "just ban games"
>land of the free
>>738773029*land of the fee
>>738772826I'm not making any joke at all. Get the rope.
>>738772857$15 for a year of entertainment? Sure.
>>738772776>Wrong lol. You should stop talking.Not an argument lol. Also very cool that you didn't respond to my claim in full showing how much of a disengenous faggot you are>You know the crew was up for 10 years right? So disingenuous because you have no ground to stand on. The length of service before shutdown doesn't retroactively make the shutdown acceptable, the fuck are you even saying? That's even worse because players lost access to 10 year old content they paid FULL PRICE for with no fucking remedy. This is a product being charged as if its a good rather than the obvious service it is.>You'll see on June 17th when you get a reality checkThe fuck does this mean? Is this the date of your gender transition?
>>738772654>we need disclosure of our online games via labelingWe? Just you. I have no issues telling the difference because I'm not a retard like you, and it's no skin off my back to give you a safety blanket if that's what keeps you quiet. That's all you're getting out of SKG if anything.
>>738773096But it sure was some skin off your dick.
>>738772792I don't care. Jews are fucking awesome if you aren't talking about Israeli warmongering jews.
>>738773084>Also very cool that you didn't respond to my claimAfter you said copyright law was written in the 1800s you already lost.>paid FULL PRICEStill doesn't mean anything.>The fuck does this mean?>he doesn't know
>>738773096You're probably some faggot who doesn't play video games anyway. No wonder it would be no skin off your back
>>738773084>The length of service before shutdown doesn't retroactively make the shutdown acceptableYes it does. Service games can shut down. If this is a problem for you then don't participate.
>>738773141>Jews are fucking awesome if you aren't talking about those without the opportunity to act like Jewsone day you will understand, tourist-kun.
>>738773179I almost exclusively play service games heavily reliant on external servers.
>>738773141>Jews are fucking awesomeSaid literally no one ever except other jews
>>738773187>literally a HOW DOES THIS AFFECT YOU PERSONALLY argument
>>738773206I've been here since I was in college in 2009 my child.
>>738773206having /pol/ brainrot is nothing to be proud of
>>738773217>m-m-my narrative!!!!
>>738773249I don't think "people" who go to college should come to this website to lie, tourist-kun.
>>738773285Neither is being born part of an ethnic child raping satanic cabal, but hey, it's 2026, right?
>>738773249>college>I'm an old fag trustLmao retard newfag
You. Don't. Own. The. GameSkg is faggot shit
>>738773297Nobody cares what you think, hooknose
>>738773343you're posting on a pedo website
>>738773306Tough shit
>>738773343Your entire worldview was hand crafted to give lenience to Jeffrey Epstein. Don't tell me about rape you child fucking white christian catholic.
The party is over. Time to banana split out of my club!
>>738773425Wowzers, I didn't know Epstein wrote the Holy Bible, which is deemed by Jews the most anti-semitic piece of text ever written.Your posts really diminished my hatred for Jews, especially the part where they're social engineering time travellers!
>>738773456This movie was a giant money laundering operation, I refuse to believe anything else.Also, it's time to give socialism an actual try if we can't keep the video games we paid for.
>>738773160>After you said copyright law was written in the 1800s you already lost.Cool genetic fallacy. Let me guess, someone deadnamed you and now that invalidates your entire existence making you have to rope? Neat.>Still doesn't mean anything.Of course it means something. You're just too low iq to even understand the difference between a good and a service and how they should be priced and treated accordingly. Let me guess, you also watch PirateSoftware streams?
>One day, I might become the one who fucks people in the ass>That's why when I get fucked in the ass, I won't complain!lmao @ burgers, you know you won't, you fucking idiots
>>738773486Go off sis
>>738772492Instead you're shilling for the government to have more power to bust into your home to burn the book because they find it offensive
>>738773561As opposed to corporations who already do it anyway without any sort of opposition?
>>738773589The corp can't touch your offline copy, the state can, and they will shoot your dog in the process
>>738773549You're clearly underage or a shartytroon, but I recommend researching where tranny meds are made. It's gonna blow your mind, or maybe that's just the shotgun you're bound to fellate sooner or later.
>>738773634The offline copy that I don't have, because the corpos didn't give to me, and the offline copy that I would get sued for, by the aforementioned corporation, if I tried to make myself?Holy fuck. You're fucking retarded.
>>738773723corpo dicksuckers usually are
nothing said in there is wrong. you buy an online only game, you shouldnt pikachu face when it shuts down you fucking morons. its like buying a pet and thinking it doesnt fucking die before you do. stop playing online slop. stop playing gachas. stop giving them money in microtransactions. stop being fuckign stupid cattle. you dont need the government
>>738773842>government is only good when it's working for the corporations, something they readily utilize>but PEOPLE shouldn't use the government, it's a tool for leverage AGAINST citizens!
>>738773842Yet it happens, and it shouldn't.This simple idea makes kikes and amerigolems seethe for some reason, which one is you?
>>738773842That's funny, games didn't USED to dieIn fact you even had games that were designed purely around online multiplayer that ALSO never died
>>738769746>>No. There is literally zero legal precedent to require a legal business venture to display business justifications. Fucking dimwit.>ACCC v Valve which caused them to change refund policy>Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act requires clear disclosure of warranty terms on consumer products. If a game is sold as a product this potentially applies. >FTC Act Section 5 prohibits unfair or deceptive acts in commerce. Marketing a revocable license as a permanent purchase is a strong candidate.What a retarded ass post. All you had to do was google shit and discover your claim to be retarded
>>738773986oh alright, lets boot up fucking killzone 2 multiplayer right now. oh wait, its fucking dead! abloo abloo government help me. grow the fuck up retard
>>738774048Why shouldn't we be able to play killzone 2 multiplayer?
>>738774048https://youtu.be/KSAmNwkl2z4Okay, hop on. Fucking retarded imbecile mutt NIGGER!!!
>>738774048So happy people are able to have freedom and liberty and it makes your tranny axewound vibrate and seethe infinitely
>>738751226>Video Games are dynamic software systems not static productsYes and no. The game itself isn't, but the physical media that it is on is therefore I do in fact own the game.
>>738751650>Hitler was right the entire time.
>>738773657Sick memes kiddo
>>738773986StopYou are not allowed to remember the pastThings were ALWAYS a multicultural corporate run exploitative hellscape
>>738773935Somebody tell pontiac and blockbuster they shouldn't have gone out of business
>>738773425my family's hatred for jews is older than israel and the united states of judea's entire existence combined.
>>738773986>games didn't USED to dieYeah they did my child.
IS THE IMAGE PEOPLE ARE ARGUING ABOUT REAL OR NOTTHERE ARE NO SOURCES POSTED
>>738774426Good to know.
>>738774391Were all your VHS tapes and your player suddenly repossessed when Blockbuster went under?
>>738774332>>738774472What an organic poster.
>>738774563>i le hate le jewYou too broskie
>>738773425>Don't tell me about rapeWhy not? Are we making a mountain of a mohel?
>>738774580What exactly prompted this bizarre defensive behavior? Please do explain.
>>738774654You sarcastically called my posts organic while simultaneously making anti jew post #48382929595Hope this helps.
>>738774760You're tired of Jew hate yet not of overt Jew behavior as demonstrated from the OP throughout this entire thread?The reaction is the problem for you, not the action?
>>738773913People like you is why people don't deserve anything good
>>738774893Good for whom?
>>738774826I don't mind Jew hate. I mind jew hate being used as a substitute for an argument because you lost to me.
>>738774991I think you're grasping at straws after being throughoutly BTFO across multiple posts from different anons, as evidenced by your lack of replies to them.Because of this, you try cope by choosing to pick an specifically culturally inappropriate thing to do in this site, as a means to gain any moral point left, it's honestly kind of pathetic.I wasn't even arguing legality with you, that was a different anon. I was calling out how Jewish your dogshit American beliefs were.
>>738773990Is justification a different word in commieland? I never said a business doesn't need to abide by regulations.
>>738775152Point out the posts and I'll address them
>>738775306yet it's somehow a huge problem and literally communism for them to abide to this one because it favors their own buyers instead of goldsteinberg
>>738775354The burden of proof to bear forth the argument that I supposedly lost is on you, who made the claim, actually.lol.
