why do steam games still use xbox face buttons as the default even though xbox is dead
>>738760239because it's intuitive for people whose language reads left to rightyour language does that, right anon?
>pointless tech that will eventually breakdown
>x button on the y axis>y button on the x axis
>>738760239You mean, Sega's face buttons, zoomer?
cheeto dust would destroy that in milliseconds
because of xinput
Backwards compatibility is important. Not all games have remapping, sadly, so control schemes when playing older games would be unintuitive because of the switch in placement.Wanting to be different for no reason is faggotry, Valve doesn't tend to care about this over widespread support.
PC gaming is Microsoft owned
>>738760729>xinputWhat does China's president has to do with it? I swear you fucks see politics in everything
Why does xbox still use dreamcast face buttons even though dreamcast is dead
>>738760239This is such gimmicky stupid bullshit. Why not just have a small button somewhere that changes the layout/lights instead? Or make it a double tab of one of tghe already there buttons.
>>738760849Not anymore, bitch
>>738760239For what purpose?
>>738761119its for those people that have to constantly look down at the controller
>>738760239what is the point of this when you a) never look at your controller and b) can just rebind the buttons to whatever you want
>>738760239>he needs to see the buttonsthis will always be my default config on my brain. if i get confused, it doesn't last and get used to it fast
>>738760239>No moonrunes option for PS emulationPointless
>>738761008>why not waste more money adding a microcontroller to remember the state of the layout and lights versus using a cheap and brittle piece of plastic to just rotate a poorly glued sticker on another piece of plastic???
>>738762470Autism. If my bindings don't match my buttons it bothers me a lot.
The confirm button goes on the bottom. It's the first button, the first letter, the first place your thumb goes. It's the foundational button. You move your thumb from A to B or to X and Y. It is the universal action button, it's where jump defaults to, if a game only needed one button it's going to use A. Only Japanese insanity could decide on making the cancel button your main button. Sega got the hardware layout right but all of their games just did their own thing anyways. Fuck it C is jump now, fuck it every button is jump, lol lmao
>>738760239what a chink design
>>738760239Cause XBOX = Microsoft = Windows PC = Steam games = XBOX buttons
>>738766694>XBOX = Microsoft = Windows PC = Steam gamesIn an alternate nightmare timeline, sure. Thankfully we live in a reality where Microsoft being greedy incompetent retards killed their iteration of PC gaming, and then Steam sprung from its rotting corpse like a Greek deity.
>>738760239Why do you need a physical lever for that?
>>738760239>why do steam games still use xbox face buttons as the default even though xbox is deadbecause it's the default from inertia, one of the only things xbox 'won' with.
>>738765993Do something on your PC that requires confirmation. Is the Ok / Continue / Confirm button on the right or the left?If answering a Yes / No question, is the Yes on the bottom or the top?When driving a car, is the gas pedal on the left, middle, or right?When flipping a light switch, which direction is On?
>>738767284>When flipping a light switch, which direction is On?depends on how many light switches the room has
>>738766864>In an alternate nightmare timeline, sure.what are you talking about?99% games are still made for windowsMS retardation in ruining W11 is real, sure, but that literally hasn't had any significant impact on gaming whatsoever, even with all the recent increased popularity of linux gaming distros and steamOS, linux gaming is still only 3-4% of the total.Literally 100% of games released on steam are made for Windows PCs
Your fingers are going to get so much gunk in there
>>738767425half A presses
>>738760239>xbox face buttonsAre the ones that make the most sense.
>>738760239you mean the steam controller's face buttons?
>>738760402You say this but if this was 90s tech everybody would be jerking off to it saying they don't make cool tech like they used toAnd this is a very 90s tech thing
>>738768954No, I think he means the Dreamcast controllers buttons.
>>738769574>TFW no VMU
Every controller should come with interchangeable Xbox and PS glyphs, and every game should let you freely choose which layout to use regardless of what controller you have plugged in
>>738760239Nintendo and Sony unironically sue if you copy their face button layout, its fucking stupid.
>>738770178Some controllers use magnetic caps that can be switched around. The problem is, this makes the buttons heavier and louder. It's also just not worth the effort to re-arrange things all the time. The best solution is to stop looking at the controller like a retard.
>>738760239I'm pretty sure the SEGA layout on PC predates the Xbox with stuff like the SideWinder, maybe even further. Changing the layout now when nearly every single PC game with controller support uses the Sega layout is retarded.
>>738767425Dual pole lightswitches generally aren't used in rooms, but in hallways. That way you can turn the light off without having to walk back to the other end of the hall. Rooms tend to be smaller and as such this is not an issue.
The 360 controller was so ubiquitous during the rise of Steam that it became the default PC controller layout.
we need a non-engraved controllerslike hhkbi know hhkb is a meme but still
>>738760239can anyone explain why people are so fixated on thisI was a playstation guy and I haven't had one for the past decade, but no matter what controller I'm using it's always going to be ecks, circle, square and triangledo people look at the face buttons when playingisn't the only thing that matters is the button prompts in the game itself
>>738760239is just the superior version
>>738760239That shit won't get in the way and get fucking annoying at all.
>>738762609>cheap and brittle piece of plastic to just rotate a poorly glued sticker on another piece of plastic???a microcontroller is way cheaper than that and your gamepad already has at least one anyway
It's actually the dreamcast layout.Nintendo's double backwards layout is dumbIf anything the buttons should be N(orth) E(ast) S(outh) W(east)
I just hope that universal button glyph to become the standard
>>738771765You talking the one with all 4 buttons shown?
Is there really retards who look at the symbols on their pads?I dont give a fuck what logos my buttons have
>>738771846yeah, all 4 with the desired one being filled in or something
>>738771856>Is there
>>738771885I get it's more universal, but I think it looks ugly and is severely dependent on games recognizing and correcting the layout of your controller to a universal standard.
>>738771979hence the hopei dont really think it looks ugly but also it has problem of controller input apis and controller themselves flipping the button depending on the mode-that you really cannot really know the physical placement of the button-there is always some ambiguity with many 3rd party controllers and its selected compatibility modesit is kinda chaotic even on steam deck, which is grim tb h
>>738760239Overa decade later and the 360 controller if not for the d-pad is still the gold standard for controllers.
>>738760239needs more moving parts
>>738760508the x axis goes left to right anon
>>738760239you never look at button while you're playing, this is pointless
>>738760239It's SEGA's layout. You can kill the company but not the idea
>>738771765I rather playstation icons became the default icons. Shapes are just better than all the shitty swappable lettering
>>738760239I still don't understand why more multiplat games don't have an option to directly change the button icons in the options menu.Modern Capcom games uses this now, but other games are still stuck on relying on the game itself to detect what controllers you use, which can be janky if you use a third party controller or sometimes Steam just decides to make your controller an Xbox controller since it's the default option even though I'm using a PS5 controller.
>>738775541This jesus just let us choose and give us the option to force controller icons to stay when using mix controls. Holy fuck it cant be that hard of an request.
>>738760239The Xbox (aka Dreamcast) layout is simply better. Deal with it. And I say this as someone who prefers Nintendo platforms.
"Press the one that looks like a chinese house"
>>738760239Is this designed for retards that have to look at their controller when they play a game? I've gotten used to having to flip-flop between the Xbox/PS style controller icons, I don't think it warrants some weird feature like this that adds some probably uncomfortable groove to the controller grip.
>>738776032you genuinely don't understand how stupid the average person it
>>738765993The problem is that in Japan they mark things that are "correct" or whatever with an O, so O being the confirm button isn't really weird, with Nintendo though they're really retarded for their A/B X/Y placements, For PS though I really don't think they needed to change the default confirm to X overseas.
>>738776131I know people are retarded but even this seems like such a stretch to me, I guess it's no different than people that have to look at their keyboards but it feels more depressing hearing about it with a controller specifically designed for you to comfortably hold and manipulate it.
>>738776243i found out someone i knew and basically her entire family is illiterate yesterdayi genuinely don't think i would have known unless she mentioned her brother failing to get a job because of itshits crazy
>>738765993>confirm and jump overlapAnd that's why confirm goes on the right button.
>>738775541>option to directly change the button icons in the options menu.>Modern Capcom games uses this nowAnd even they half ass it. For example Pragmata released on Switch but the PC release doesn't have Switch icons as an option at all. It took them more effort to pick and choose which ones to include, than it would've been to add all of the sets they made.Even MH Rise, which started as a Switch game, the "Switch" controller graphics setting on PC still uses Xbox's LB/LT instead of the L/ZL that they had ready
>>738760239xinput - it's the default API for Windows (and Xbox), Windows is still the default platform for PC games and Xbox is still not dead (yet).Most games are multiplatform and have to cater to the lowest common denominator - xinput.Some games do support Sony's implementation, but only if you connect your controller with a cable, otherwise they fall back on xinput. Even fewer games support the Dualsense over Bluetooth as well, I think BeamNG.drive and Pragmata do.In my ideal world all games that have a PS5 and PC version should support Dualsense on PC. And all PS5/Xbox games that have a PC port should support mouse and keyboard on consoles too. The work is already done, the only excuse is artificial segmentation and developer laziness.
>>738776793>xinput - it's the default API for WindowsNo, xinput is deprecated. Go learn the new APIhttps://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/gaming/gdk/docs/features/common/input/overviews/input-overview?view=gdk-2604
>>738779152I stand corrected about the API
>>738760508It gets far worse when you do 3D.>>738760239Legacy non updated software is the answer.
>>738776793all this shit right here is why Valve created Steam input.Also as of last year microsoft no longer recommends xinput for games. Took them long enough considering they introduced Gameinput on xbox back in 2018
>>738760239I don't really mind that the position of A and B change. But the X being above the Y is an unholy abomination.
>>738780289Z up makes more sense.I'm making a 3d game in pure opengl. X+ is East, Y+ is North.
>>738760239That's how xinput displays and maps buttons. You got to obey some standard if you don't want make a unusable turd.
>>738780289Holy fuck UE get it together.
What kind of retarded loser actually has to look at the buttons on the controller anyway
>>738780289>3DS MAX is Z-up>Maya is Y-upDamn, it sure is a shame those applications are made by different companies, otherwise we might have some consistancy. :(
>>738760239Are those button LEDs customizable?
>>738760239We have tranny controllers now!?!?!
>>738783047>see video game controller>first thought is tranniesmindbroken
>>738760239Why doesn't steam controller have this feature? That would be great.
I and II for life
>>738783047>We have tranny controllers now!?!?!Almost a decade now, the Switch came out in 2017 bro.
>>738781065Me, i use controllers like once a yearAnd can blindly use arma 3 double layered keyboard layout
>>738780787real time stuff traditionally think in normalized display coord tho..
