>>738766676
What other retarded opinions do you have?

>>738766676
FFVII is probably the best paced game in its genre. And that's not just singling out the "J" in the genre.

>>738766676
>disk
It's always "disc" when it's Sony.

Also, the discs aren't supposed to be equal parts. It's just broken up that way because the FMVs take up all the space on each one. Without them, the entire game would fit on one.

>The best part is really just Midgar up to the city of the Ancients.
Yes, everyone knows this. Extremely ancient cold take. That's why Remake was just Midgar and Rebirth goes to the Forgotten City. They've said the third Remake game will finish the story, and everyone is fine with that even though it means the remainder of the game will probably have much less new content than the rest did.

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>>738766676
coincidentally it's the amount of content that Remake and Rebirth have covered so far.

>shifty-eyed dog from the simpsons gif.

>>738768486
>the third Remake game will finish the story,

It would be good if it actually covered the story at all.

Instead of just changing things out of nowhere, that only make it way worse.

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It's overrated as fuck.

I beat it for the first time last year on OG hardware (30 year old zoomer), and while it wasn't bad, it was very underwhelming; so dry and boring that it took me almost two months to finish even when I didn't do much side content. Just a drag.

>everything is so damn slow-paced from animations to transitions to loading to constant cutscenes and monologues
>combat is braindead autopilot button mashing. Regular enemies are just braindead cannon fodder for grinding that pose zero threat whatsoever. Even bosses are a complete joke, and you will only ever fail to poorly telegraphed gotcha trollshit
>enemy designs are complete nonsense, like they're pulled straight from the digimon reject pile and don't fit the environment at all
>camera angles in combat are obnoxious and constantly obscure the fight
>targeting enemies and allies in fights is very finicky. Having to actually point at 3D models instead of the list of names is baffling
>magic spells are samey and don't really fill a niche or usecase, with few meaningful tradeoffs
>no descriptions for any spells or items while in combat
>no symbols for status elements and no way to view them
>translation is extremely shoddy, full of grammar/spelling errors and nonsensical engrish
>dialogue boxes look amateurish, appearing all over and blocking parts of the screen and character names only appearing their first line; when new, unnamed characters speak, no name is shown, and the dialogue box appears the same as if the previous character is speaking
>d-pad digital movement feels awful to navigate isometric maps; you will frequently bang into walls and go back the way you came on screen transition
>prerendered backgrounds are unclear and unintuitive regarding what areas you can traverse or interact with
>constantly have to go into towns and talk to every Tom, Dick, and Harry to advance the plot
>99% of the objects in the world can't be interacted with, while a few arbitrarily can and give zero indication

>>738769052
where did you copy that answer from?

Also, if you're a retard, it's not the game's fault.

The game is overrated, but saying that doesn't make you less of a retard if you were born one.

>>738769009
That ship sailed over half a decade ago now, anon. Just let the Remake games be another part of the anthology like Crisis Core or Dirge of Cerberus. I still love the original and the Remake games haven't replaced it, but I think they're a fun kind of "what-if" continuity that is simultaneously nostalgic when replays the old story beats and intriguing when it does new stuff.

>>738769052
Bunch of nitpicks that can be applied to other JRPGs as well. What is your standard of a good JRPG then?

>>738769413
I don't really like JRPGs as a genre, but Souls, E33, Paper Mario, and Pokemon are the only JRPGs I've ever really enjoyed.

>>738769368

So >>738768843 it's true.
The FF7 compilation stuff (anything other than the original game) has always been:
weeb, cringe, brainrot, kingdom hearts slop.

>>738769497
>The FF7 compilation stuff (anything other than the original game) has always been:
>weeb, cringe, brainrot, kingdom hearts slop.
Yeah, it's fuckin kino.

>>738769480
>I don't really like JRPGs as a genre
Then it's not FF7's fault

>>738769557
Agree.

>>738769009
It's not actually a Remake, Retard.

How are fansnois still upset about this? Like, they told you half an hour into the first game and you're still here bitching. As if maybe they're going to backtrack this multi-year project and do what Anonymous FFVII Boomer really wants.

>>738769557
>the genre is supposed to be shit
lmao

>>738769557
>>738769413
How is any of that inherent to JRPGs? Is there some unspoken rule that JRPGs have to be extremely slow-paced, have shallow and braindead grindy combat, zero interactivity, forgettable enemy and bossfights, and nonsensical progression gates that require you doing random arbitrary shit to advance the story?

>>738768843
It's funny that, for such a big fan, the face of Final Fantasy VII now for some reason, he think that Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus need to be removed from the canon and that Remake needs to end differently.

How is it that Final Fantasy VII fans always seem to pick and choose which parts of the canon they want to believe?

>>738769925
I don't think any of those should exist or be considered canon to FF7 because they all suck
if they were more than cashgrab projects, people would be less likely to dismiss them as noncanon

>>738769925
because AC and DoC are that bad

>>738770018
>>738770036
Thank you for proving my point.

>>738770061
You didn't make a point though, you postulated why other people have opinions like a moron

>>738770151
I did make a point, you just don't like the point that I made. I think it's funny how the biggest Final Fantasy VII fans want to remove everything from the canon and then change the remaining things that do exist after they have removed the compilation, even though at least Crisis Core is canon to the Remake, and the devs have already said that the end will lead into Advent Children.

It's just funny how the biggest fans pick and choose what they want to believe is canon. I don't think I know any other video game that is like this.

>>738770061
I bet you're still salty they threw out all your official Star Wars eu novels.

>>738768843
I can't wait to see the look on this guy's face when Genesis appears in Part 3.

>>738770410
What the fuck does that even mean? I don't even like Star Wars.

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>>738766676
>disk 3 is just a boss rush until you hit credits
Disk 3 is where you breed chocobos, master materia, and fully explore the map. It's the fuckaround disk aka my favorite part.

>>738769925
>he think that Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus need to be removed from the canon and that Remake needs to end differently.
This is a pretty normal opinion to have with basically every single long running IP. The tacked on stuff after the original tends to suck.
>People are fans of a thing which makes that thing become popular
>The company that made thing want to make more money and fans want more of thing
>Thing ended or used up all its good ideas so they have to come up with bullshit excuses to continue making thing
>That stupid bullshit of the thing typically isn't as good as the original thing
You could say the same for Star Wars, Star Trek, Simpsons, South Park, Family Guy, World of Warcraft, Halo, Pokemon, ect.
Saying its dumb to not like the shit that happens in Advent Children is like saying its dumb to not like everything was actually the jailers plan in WoW.

>>738770292
Metroid and Chronotrigger are most definitely like that. Companies do ill advised sequels or let other people work on someone else's story. You have no obligation to consider sequels canon as a fan of the originals. Holding copyright on something doesn't mean people have to acknowledge you as its steward if you're plainly unworthy.

>>738770468
Thanks for confirming my theory.

>>738770640
>Thanks for confirming my theory.
What? Can you even begin to explain what you think you're saying?

>>738770521
Nta but you can do most of that in Disc 2 before the Midgar Raid. I think Battle Square having the Special Challenge fight for Cloud with Proud Clod being the final encounter in it is reserved for after the Midgar Raid aka disc 3. Naturally the best EXP and AP spot is in final dungeon with Movers and Magic Pots so if you need to grind levels and materia, it's best to save for the final disc

>>738769923
I mean that person said Souls games, E33, Paper Mario, and Pokemon are the only JRPGs they've ever really enjoyed.
Also to rebutt your claims:
>extremely slow-paced
Even Pokemon Diamond is considered very slow-paced. I don't agree that FF7 is "extremely slow paced". There are even time limited parts so you have to rush.
>shallow and braindead grindy combat
Not at all. There are bosses with gimmicks, enemies that can oneshot you (Hell House, MIdgar Zolom), superbosses in OG FF7
>zero interactivity
You can hit your teammates to cure status effects. You can combine multiple materia to make combos, added effects. Your decisions affect a particular cutscene in the story. I don't think many JRPGs have that kind of interactivity.
>forgettable enemy and bossfights
absolutely wrong. There are many cool looking enemies with variety of gimmicks.
>nonsensical progression
Please elaborate further

>>738770640
>>738770672
I guess you can't explain what you thought you were saying.

>>738770970
>Hell House
>boss in OG FF7 and can oneshot you

Hell House was random encounter on your way to Wall Market with Cloud and Aeris and it can't oneshot even Aeris

The discs are meant to hold data, not pace the game for you you fucking nigger retard. Jfc you fucking contrarian retards should all die

>>738771206
The whole game fits in one disc. The FMVs were the reason they had to use multiple discs

>>738770970
>Even Pokemon Diamond is considered very slow-paced
And it was shat on before Platinum fixed it. I don't really care much for Pokemon past Gen 3 anyways. FF7 is absolutely slow as fuck, partly due to technical reasons, and partly due to pacing.

>There are bosses with gimmicks,
Cheap gotcha moments that are braindead simple once you know their basic gimmick

>enemies that can oneshot you (Hell House, MIdgar Zolom)
Which is usually just cheap bullshit as they look completely unassuming like any other monster until they just one-shot your party.. "hope you saved recently retard!"

>superbosses in OG FF7
That's nice, but these usually require very specific items, very high levels, insane amounts of grinding, and have only have a couple strategies that are actually viable, not worth the effort.

>You can hit your teammates to cure status effects. You can combine multiple materia to make combos, added effects.
That's not what interactivity means. None of this shit matters when combat is braindead button mashing and grinding 99% of the time.

>Your decisions affect a particular cutscene in the story.
Wow, a single cutscene, incredible.

>I don't think many JRPGs have that kind of interactivity.
Just one reason of many why they are shit genre

>absolutely wrong. There are many cool looking enemies with variety of gimmicks
Almost every enemy in this game, except the couple that can one-shot you out of nowhere, are completely forgettable fodder purely for grinding. Even most the bosses are completely braindead and most of the time can be beat by mindlessly button mashing random attacks and magic, and have little difference from the grinding fodder except a larger healthbar and they might have one simple gimmick trick up their sleeve

>Please elaborate further
Constantly have to go into towns and talk to every Tom, Dick, and Harry to advance the plot, have to do some random thing which arbitrarily causes some unrelated event to occur allowing you to progress

>>738766676
yeah. i had layer all ff from 1 to 6 and tried 7 like 3 years ago. disc one is the best shit ever like holy shit all the midgar section from when you begin to when u escape is so cool. but everything fell apart after disc 1 i think it was meh and disc 3 is just the "final dungeon" which was pretty lackluster. i still think they fucked up by killing aeris

>>738769925
They occurred already because this is a sequel, brainlet.

>>738770640
That's only part of it.
Because nothing prevents them from making the fame at least look or feel like the original.

The problem is that in most disappointing sequels, the worlds never feel, nor look the same.

Crisis Core and Remake and Dirge, those may share the names of the places,
feels like something completely different.
And I don't mean technology-wise.
The Ambient, the atmosphere, the feeling.

They don't feel like side-stories, they feel like an FF7 coat of paint on top of some random game.
With FF7 on the title for fans that will buy anything with FF7 on the title.

That's unhealthy for the cultists, even if they say they love it.
Because they will keep making excuses regardless.
Facing criticism they will defend the thing, even if the problems are obvious.
And the problems being obvious only highlights when people lie to try to defend the thing.

>>738769925
You find me someone that likes Dirge of Cerberus for anything but the sheer bile fascination at its awful quality. The fact is that Square-Enix past the Squaresoft days kept making new shit and bolting on random things on there that got worse and worse, and thus you have a split of opinions like Zelda or Sonic fans between those that just vibe with the bullshit and those that resent it.

>>738771456
In the early development the plan was to kill the party members who you didn't pick for the Disc 2 ending Midgar Raid. They decided to kill just Aeris instead and that caused the need for second heroine and they came up with Tifa. Aeris originally had Tifa's design. After deciding to kill Aeris, Tifa was made to be childhood friend trope whose whole character was to be idealized waifu for Cloud and incels
t.tifafag

>>738771484
>he still thinks it's a sequel rather than multiverse shit
Look, I thought it was a sequel too after Remake. It just doesn't seem that way anymore. They pussied out.

>>738771527
Dirge of Cerberus has them finding ancient spaceship from alien civilization that is nod to FFX-2's Shinra finding out they can use FFX's planets cycle of souls to power technology and Shinra theorizes it could enable inter-planetary travel

>>738771593
nta but multiverse stuff being a thing doesn't stop it from being a sequel. for remakes multiverse to exist the first game needed to happen as is and then this timeline / universe is different making it a sequel.

>>738769706
It's obvious it's not a remake. It's a reboot if anything.

The, "it's a sequel" meme doesn't hold up.
There's multiple timelines ("worlds") in the remake trilogy,
and in none of them the characters are older or something like that.

There's no cloud-with-a-beard, Tifa-with-old-woman-saggers, Barret-with-white-hair-timelines.
That would've been fun. But no, it's fan-fiction circling around the same events of the original,
but never addressing them directly or in a sincere way.

Even Aerith's death is half-assed. They didn't even commit.
Rebirth had Cloud fighting Sephiroth alongside Aerith, for the same reason they named the first game Remake.
They were afraid that it would flop so hard, that they wouldn't be able to make the next part.
But it shouldn't have ever been three parts.

>>738771747
It's not like it really matters either way. It's still going to lead into Advent Children just like they said. I thought it was going to be a sequel, but they pussied out and it's just some multiverse shit, maybe just a straight up reimagining.

>>738771747
If you consider the ending of the original.
That's the most sequel that we're ever going to get.

Multi-verse is just bad fan-fiction, lack of commitment, and bad writing.

>>738771864
>It's still going to lead into Advent Children just like they said.
why? if it is just timeline multiverse shit, thats just more of an excuse to make this have its own ending since the ending of FF7 REtarded could be literally anything and advent children still happens because its a different timeline / multiverse.

>>738769052
>targeting enemies and allies in fights is very finicky. Having to actually point at 3D models instead of the list of names is baffling
>no descriptions for any spells or items while in combat
>prerendered backgrounds are unclear and unintuitive regarding what areas you can traverse or interact with
>99% of the objects in the world can't be interacted with, while a few arbitrarily can and give zero indication
Try pressing the select button, my guy. It solves all of these problems.

>>738772012
I'm just telling you that nothing about this matters. They're too pussy to change anything. You can call it a sequel all you want, but if it is, then it doesn't matter that it's a sequel. It's more appropriate to call it a reimagining, no matter what it actually ends up being.

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>>738771864
Hmmm

>>738772087
>one person says one thing
Whoa, no way?

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>>738772139
Uhhhhh

>>738768486
it's a technological limitation that they ended up using in their advantage, like being a trilogy by itself

>>738772197
Well, I hope it's going to be different. It just hasn't been, you know. And again, I really don't think it matters one way or the other what you want to categorize it as. Multiverse, sequel, whatever. It literally doesn't even matter. We're 2/3rds in and nothing is different, so it's more appropriate to call it a reimagining.

>>738771147
Didn't say Hell House was a boss.
>>738771384
>Cheap gotcha moments that are braindead simple once you know their basic gimmick
LOL are you seriously saying that while Pokemon is one of the games you said you enjoy? E33, Paper Mario was all that too.
But ofc you said JRPGs are shit, I don't know though you haven't said anything that constitute as good. Sounded like you want to argue for argument sake.
>That's not what interactivity means. None of this shit matters when combat is braindead button mashing and grinding 99% of the time.
Proceeds to not explain what they mean by it.
The latter statement also doesn't mean jackshit. No actual arguments, just ragebaiting.
>Wow, a single cutscene, incredible.
Tell me JRPGs where your choices actually affect things. There aren't many of them. Even among Final Fantasies (only FFX did)
And the MMOs don't count
>Just one reason of many why they are shit genre
So you are just being bad faith. And you don't even have a standard that can be compared with.
>Almost every enemy in this game, except the couple that can one-shot you out of nowhere, are completely forgettable fodder purely for grinding
I can list lots of them and you will just say "nuh-uh not for me tho"
>Constantly have to go into towns and talk to every Tom, Dick, and Harry to advance the plot
Well shit you want to be told to go to your next location with quest markers and shit all the time? You are just basically asking your hand held by your mama.

>>738772647
Mhm. So why bring Hell House at all if it was just random encounter in OG and promoted to boss in Remake? Eligor in Train Graveyard got the same treatment and you can steal Aeris' weapon from it in both OG and Remake

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Why do people assume they know how retrilogy will end? Do you close your eyes when playing?

>>738772784
It's very important for anons to think they are correct

>>738772784
It's conflicting reports from the devs themselves. One year they'll proclaim it's going to end the same as the original game, the next thing you know the entire discussion shifts to this series of twisting nightmares of Sephiroth testing world iterations for results to create something perfect to rule over or some shit and things that can't really end the same way without either just being immense amounts of expansion that can be largely wiped away, or a literal divergence as a plot point.

>>738772837
The devs always said the remakes would lead to Advent Children. It's not about the destination but the journey

>>738772784
Everyone is trying their hardest to defend the VII Remake trilogy from any possible negative opinions, even if that means being confidently wrong and inadvertently becoming a shitposter against what actually does end up happening.

>>738772768
Because it's a pretty mildly difficult encounter and has a memorable design IMO (and 2 different forms).
You only got Cloud and Aerith in the team during that time as well.
Ofc later it gets mogged easily tho

Morning, Jimbo. Still a virgin?

That opening section of the remake is maybe the most hyped I've ever been for a game; it was exactly how I imagined it would be in my dreams. I must have played that demo like 30 times before the release. That section is a 10. The whole game isn't that bad; I would give it an 8 or 8.5, even based on how entertained I was the first time I played it. Rebirth, though, is more like a 7. Sadly, it was way overbloated with meaningless content.

And more egregiously, I would say, they missed the whole tone of the original.
This is supposed to be a dark world where sometimes goofy things happen; instead they made a goofy world where sometimes dark things happen.

I'm baffled how the people making the remakes could miss the tone so badly.

>>738772895
Do you have selective bias when it comes to dev statements?
>>738772197
>>738772087

>>738772965
>This is supposed to be a dark world where sometimes goofy things happen; instead they made a goofy world where sometimes dark things happen.
Is this what I can call the Yakuza Effect?

>>738772965
50-70 hours in darkness and gloom is too much for modern players

>>738766676
You can always tell which posters have only played one RPG when you point this out. OP. It isn't even the best PS1 Final Fantasy, nor is it the best mainline one.

Somehow VI's hype is more overblown than VII's

>>738773218
7 is my favorite followed by 5, 8 and 10. 4, 6 and 9 are good but not as good as the better ones. The better ones have more customization and player agency.

>>738773117
I mean honestly 7 isn't even that dark compared to what that anon said. You have creepy moments, horror bursts, but in between that is hours of fucking about with materia and chocobo grinds, characters having drama or quirkiness, weird shit in general. The back third of the game with Meteor in the sky is the real dark part since it strongly influences the tone after that even if the levity isn't completely gone, but up to that point the whiplash can be downright neck-breaking with how bizarre the game could be at times.
I can genuinely see certain moments in 8 or 9 as generally being darker overall, 7 was hardly the gloomiest until it's the preface for the end of the world.

7 is a good entry point to the series

>>738773376
No, I meant Remake and it taking place in Midgar which the anon wanted to be as dark and gloomy as in the OG for 50-70 hours it takes to play through Remake

>>738773376
>The back third of the game with Meteor in the sky is the real dark part since it strongly influences the tone

I know what you mean. I always liked the Main Theme playing in the map more than the shit that plays when Meteor is in the sky

>>738769480
>Paper Mario, and Pokemon are the only JRPGs I've ever really enjoyed.
You have toddler brain

>>738766676
I agree but I thought it was just because I never got to disc 2 as a kid so I had nostalgia for disc 1 but not the parts after

>>738773471
And Midgar isn't really that dark and gloomy for something that couldn't see the sun beneath the plate, much less the pollution. Seedy, but unrealistically lit in the original. And they didn't really wanna bother with that by elaborate choice instead of finding ways to make it.. not look so fucked up in daytime.

>>738773786
The underneath of the pizza is dystopia with Akira anime lights. Except for Aerith's church and her house that are in the slum but from the sheer holy power from Aerith's messiah figure happen to bathe in warm and nice sun light with clean waterfall and flowers and no average slum resident has trashed them and painted graffiti on them or raped and robbed Aerith and her foster mother because the coldhearted assassin spy Turks are just that nice to make sure Aerith can live comfy life to make sure she chooses to return to Shinra. And then Tseng gently persuaded Aerith to do the right choice by threatening to fuck up Marlene so Aerith could have genuine personal reason to come back to Shinra HQ

>>738768486
>It's always "disc" when it's Sony.
"disk" was used for diskettes (floppy disks, hard drives)
"disc" was used for CDs (and later DVDs and blu-rays)

>>738766676
Yes, it falls apart after midgar.
>>738766962
Chrono Trigger, Skies of Arcadia, both the Lunar games, Panzer Saga, FF6 are all much better paced....

>>738766676
It's like the rest of the game after midgar is just a jumbled compilation of leftovers they scraped up off the floor and stuck together.
Half of it feels like prototypes of other unrelated games, there's shitty mini-games everywhere, the temple of the ancients looks like absolute crap as if they ran out of money etc.
It's a mess of a game.

>>738775150
>>738775195
They orignally planned the game to take place in New York and Midgar was supposed to be NY. They also planned a detective story with you chasing Sephiroth and Vincent was originally a paranormal investigator who would be surprised himself too in the battle first time his limit break was used.

Jenova fights were supposed to be different bodyparts of Jenova and the final Jenova fight the bodyparts all together. FF8's Edea was originally designed for FF7.