Is Elden Ring the easiest souls game?
>>738773937It's the sloppiest for sure.
>>738773937with mimic yes, without its the hardest aside Sekiro
Cute build. Did you make that yourself without a guide?
>>738773937>those buffs>that rune>that vigor level>no skill text
No.>>738774657I'd say you do not need a guide to make a mage build, but going by the number of people I've seen on this site saying mages are underpowered in ER, maybe I'm wrong.
given the fact /v/ had a melty for 2 whole months because (You) got filtered massively, no.
>>738773937It's the easiest and the hardest for equally stupid reasons.
>>738773937No?They have a pretty identifiable difficulty curve. They literally go from easiest to hardest. DS 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> ER
>>738773937IMO, DS3 is the easiest overall. Like Elden Ring, level design itself is rarely a factor in difficulty compared to older titles, instead relying more on enemy/boss movesets instead. But unlike Elden Ring, DS3 combat never quite reaches a point of feeling overtuned outside of maybe some things in the Ringed City. DS3 also has the most linear world progression, which means its fairly easy to figure out what to do next, and almost never has any bosses that feel like a brick wall that you're supposed to leave until later.
>>738774623Sekiro is probably the easiest one after DeS/DaS1
>>738773937sekiro is easier
>>738775270Night Comet is stupidly good and whoever told you that was lying
>>738773937If you use summons it's the easiest. If you don't, it's the hardest.
>>738776286If we're being honest with ourselves, Elden Rings level design is all over the place and the open world is the reason why. Some levels are so incredibly simplistic you can tell the devs hammered it out in an afternoon and threw it in. Then you have the larger legacy dungeons that are these massive, sprawling things with multiple pathways and hidden items all over. Then the actual overworld where often you can just completely breeze by a large portion of it...and completely ignore a lot of the encounters entirely. Though whether this is due to the inherent nature of open worlds allowing you to go basically anywhere you can find a way to get to, or Fromsoft not really knowing what to do with all that space could be a 50/50.
why doesn't he lose mana? i only swing swords so i don't know how magic works
>>738777259It's like swords, but at range and blue.
>>738777259physick buff
>>738777259https://eldenring.fandom.com/wiki/Cerulean_Hidden_Tear
>>738773937just don't use the 999 imbalanced things durrrrr
>>738773937No easiest to hardest its ds1, then elden ring, then ds3 then ds2. Any DS1 complaints can be replied to with the artorias webm you know the one. Also DS2 is mostly the hardest due to some godawful hitboxes.
I would say that the difficulty between the Souls games is like this:Sekiro > Bloodborne DLC > Elden Ring > Bloodborne base game > Dark Souls 2 > Dark Souls 3 > Dark Souls = Demon Souls. I only played Dark Souls 1 for a long time, then I jumped to Elden Ring, which I put 600 hours into. Then I decided to play previous Souls games, and for example, Dark Souls 1 through 3 were much easier for me.
>>738777464I recently replayed DS1 and found it too easy; I killed Artorias on my first try, and I didn't even play the DLC back then.
>>738773937based mechanics userI kneel
>>738773937Yes if you abuse the spirit ashes, if not it's the hardest by far
>>738776575The game is pretty easy even without summoning
>>738778136Magic has always been the easymode in all Souls games tho
>>738778136What's wrong with this?
>>738778136>boss is idle doing the summoning animation for the first 8 seconds of the fightdo this with any boss that throws you right into the action and it won't work lol
>>738781025That's pretty much every boss in the DLC because the devs decided to be petty.
>>738781025Didn't they patch Comet Azur so that even if you have infinite FP for a moment it'll still eat your entire stamina pool?
>>738781114No not really, i just killed Mohg with it yesterday.
>>738776424Sekiro isn't a souls game.
>>738781578It has a lot of the hallmarks of a souls game, including being made by the devs that created the games the genre is named after.
>>738781670So, the armoured core games are also souls games
>>738773937technically, sure it can be. depends on how much of the optional stuff you use.
>>738781670>he doesn't know
>>738781931Yeah, real clever you cheeky cunt. You know what I meant.
>>738776424>sekiro harder than ds2 lmao no>sekiro harder than ds3lmao no >sekiro harder than bloodborne havent played. too lazy to emulate >sekiro harder than elden debatable. going in blind, elden will probably kick your ass.
>>738774889>you didn't beat the game because... you used spells and stuff that's in the game!
>>738781114No...?
>>738782319 (me)BONUS ROUND >sekiro harder than lies of penis nope. have you seen the rally in that game? absolutely disgusting.>sekiro harder than little witch nobetayes, but it isnt as cute and funny >sekiro harder than ai limit yes on both regular and semi-void form runs. but i had more fun abusing thunder step + reapers in ai limit than i did with weapon arts / prosthetics in sekiro.
>>738782460>sekiro harder than lies of penismeant to say yes* am retarded
Magic is fucking dogshit in every souls game and it's hilarious when people pretend otherwise.
>>738782585>Elden Ring got like 200 spells>only like 5 are actually useful >most of the good ones are only good because it breaks the enemies input reading
>>738773937No.You can do webm in 1, 2 and 3 to varying degrees. Magic, pyromancy and faith ALL killed bosses faster with moves that had less commitment and lower stat requirements than that. The fact is that ALL Souls games are fairly easy if you have the 5 IQ required to not be an NPC, think for yourself and not follow the first google result for "OP souls build", which, for some reason, told people to use 2 handed sword in hand and shield on back.Using any form of magic is always broken because bosses and enemies cannot deal with ranged attacks well and they always scale too hard.Using a greatshield is always broken against anything that does not simply ignore shields.Using a high stun weapon and the shield reversal thing in elden ring breaks boss poise in like 2-3 hits, has 0 risk and takes 0 skill. Elden ring is notably poorly balanced though, even by series standards. Power stancing and jump l2 spam trivializes every single boss in the game and rot is a retarded concept for a status effect that people only don't abuse much because its slower than magic.
It can be the easiest or the hardest depending on how you play.Bosses and special enemies dont fuck around and some of them seem like they have infinite stamina and huge combos. But the game also gives you a dozen different ways to break it in your favor and wipe the floor with everything.
>>738782191man, where's my tenchulikes
>>738776424You've never touched Sekiro.
>>738782662>and then you get to the DLC or endgame where bosses have fuckhuge resistance against elements and anything that doesn't deal pure plain damage just tickles shit
Elden ring has the most cheese strats by far; comet azur, rotbreath, bleed arrows, lion's claw, bloodhound fang and many, many moreBut if you want to do straightsword+shield only you're probably gonna have a much more difficult experience
>>738778136This entire area really exposes how bad the average player is. I heard so much about the "teleporting red eyed knights" and how unfair they are from friends, but didn't know where they are. Finally find them here. Think "Oh shit"... held L2. They are COMPLETELY incapable of doing anything if you block. Shield countered them after their combo. They break poise in I think 2 hits. Ripose. Move on.0 deaths.Is it so hard to think for yourself and use the tools the game gives rather than dodge spam and whine if it doesn't work?
>>738773937it's both the easiest and the hardest and that's a bad thingif you suck against a boss, you can either memorize his moves, change your tactics, try a different build OR use the mimic tear and kill the fucker instantly
>>738782748In what?You kill every boss except the last in DS1 DLC in like 3 casts and that last boss is entirely cucked by greatshields so you just hide behind that and cast like 5 spells instead.They die almost instantly in 2, too.Can't comment on 3 since I never played the DLC for that or Elden Ring DLC since those games are kind of ass (unlike GOAT SOULS 2).
>>738782663This. If you go by Bryceinator13's videos the only way to make Elden Ring "hard" is by deliberetly no making the most out of any game mechanic.
All the "difficult" base game bosses have pretty hard countersGodskins are weak to sleepMalenia is weak to frostbiteIronically mohg is weak to bleed, i was once able to skip his 2nd phase by hitting a bleed proc, breaking his stance during transformation (pretty easy with the bloodhound fang), getting the crit and another bleed proc to killMaliketh can low poise and staggers very easily so jumping attacks and charged heavies get him goodAnd scarlet rot works for everything else
>>738773937>Is Elden Ring the easiest souls game?Yes, it is designed from the ground up for casuals and faggots just an utter DOGSHIT game, Elden DOGSHIT Ring, if you will.
>>738783107Weak to frostbite isn't exactly a hard counter. You could bring all the frost and unfrost combos in the game but you still need to defend against duckduck disco.
>>738783138Dont try to turn AC6 into something it is not.
>>738783138Take your (you) but let me ask what kind of autism are you on to post this every single time?
>>738783270AC6 isn't an armored core game, that's for sure.
>>738783138>NG4>Not faggyYou play as a gay twink who gets cucked in his own game by Ryu's superior gameplay because his twink arms literally can't swing as hard
>>738777476DS2 is way easier than DS3 in my opinion. Why?Even if you suck and don't care about le gank mobs you can be persistent and just eliminate everyone one by one until they stop spawning.DS3 is just giant fuck you, I actually hate that game.
>>738777476Elden Ring is the easiest by far. Sekiro and Bloodborne are the hardest mostly due to no summons.
>>738783418>DS3 is just giant fuck you, I actually hate that game.the only fuck you areas in DS3 are the DLC ones and maybe some individual encounters in late game, rest of the game is a smooth breeze
>>738783418ThisThe bosses in 2 are the easiest part of the game, and you can just run away from everything else
>>738783270>Dont try to turn AC6 into something it is not.AC6 is a fun game, doesn't waste time. A game doesn't have to be difficult to be a game. A game not being difficult doesn't mean it is designed for casuals. Contrary to popular belief, difficulty isn't what deters casuals, it is IQ and entitlement. All casuals are low IQ subhumans with massive entitlement. That is why an open-world game will always appeal to casuals, the very nature of an open-world will render the game worthless and meaningless, that is why Elden DOGSHIT Ring sucks, every other flaw is derived from this root issue.You didn't understand this, you only saw difficulty, you need to improve your understanding if you want to come at me.>>738783278>why you post this everytime!!!When the same thread is made over and over again, I will reply the same over and over again. If you want a different reply, try making a different thread or going to different threads.>>738783393Yakumo is based. Of course he gets mogged by Ryu, everyone gets mogged by Ryu.
>>738773937I thought it was hard, my first playthrough was using rapiers and I struggled.When the DLC came out I picked it back up and went strength jumping. Everything was piss easy. I used a giant wooden club I got early on for the entire game.
>>738773937That would be DeS and DaS2. ER requires you to know the broken stuff and build with them in mind, DaS2' challenges disappear as you level up normally and DeS is not hard
>>738783517Your comment is pure nostalgia. Just because you can summon doesn't mean much, since you fight the bosses one-on-one. Elden Ring is more difficult than the other Dark Souls games (and in the classic Dark Souls games, you always had a way to summon). Bloodborne is only difficult because of its DLC bosses and the final boss. I played it recently and it was very easy for me. Sekiro's difficulty comes from its mechanics, which catch newcomers off guard and depend entirely on skill. Also, the bosses have a much faster pace than the rest. Dark Souls 1, 2, and 3 are a breeze (although their DLCs do make it a bit harder).
>>738783842With Dark Souls 1, learning to parry makes it much easier. In Dark Souls 2, the annoying part is losing health every time you die, but you can practically just run all the way to the bonfires and gather resources from the bosses.
>>738773937knowledge is power, it always has been>know where to get good gear>know what bosses are weak to>know what strategies work the best>durrr where difficulty??beat the game on RL1 with +0 gear and no summons and you will learn every detail
>>738783674What makes open world bad?
>>738774623>Jump heavy everything in my path>Low-profile 90% of attacks due to the ending animationLOL no
>>738783885Huh? Are you having a stroke? I'm no souls gamer but even I understand that if you use summons of any kind then you remove the need to deal with boss attacks and can just spam attacks from a distance. That's as braindead as it can get.
>>738773937Yes, because the open world allows you to run around and look for easier challenges that also let you level up and give you new gear.I hate how Souls turned into "le super hard gameXD" when in fact Demon's and Dark souls were never that hard. They were simply punishing, during an era when most games were piss easy and had fast regenerating health. With SOTE and Nightreign, Souls further mutated into a boss-rush spectacle, with difficulty for the sake of difficulty.I just want an adventure, man.
>>738783842>ER requires you to know the broken stuffactually all you need to do is spam Vigor and Strength and use heavy (jump) attacks with the biggest hammer you can find. Everything gets staggered to death.
>>738784184How is that functionally different from reseting enemy spawn at bonefire and grinding them repeatedly to achieve the same effect?
>>738784184Scadutree fragments were their attempt at preserving "adventure' after Mohgwyn Palace ruined the base game's balance
>>738773937>Is Elden Ring the easiest souls game?Yes but only if you cheese it, and if you try to play it properly its fucking obnoxious because every fight in the game is designed to punish you for not cheesing it and playing it like a souls game.
>bro this game is super hard, you just have to play it like a retardAre fromdrones actually mentally ill?
>>738783674Just take a trip and call it dogshit expert.
>>738784403>every fight in the game is designed to punish you for not cheesing it and playing it like a souls game.there aren't many pure cheese moments at low level aside from like... elden beast? if you put vigor it's pretty easy to trial and error your way through things, it's only "punishing" if you play the entire game with like 20 vig
Of course. Just being open world makes it the easiest already. You can just grind or explore for better gear and return. sure in other games you could grind too, but it would be those 1-2 hallways between you and the boss, very limited. desu i hate the open world fast travel addition so much. Sure the quality and design is still there, but it actually made the game so much less intense and "soulslike". Elden ring is the dark ubisoft soul of the series.sekiro is undoubtedly the hardest btw, then maybe demon (without magic) unironically.
>>738783885Anon, all the Souls games are on the same level of difficulty more or less. You are talking about vets discussing specific boss movesets at which case we will be here forever debating window timings and boss designs. I'm talking about the average player. The average player will find Elden Ring the easiest because if you can't beat a certain boss, there's tons of cheese, optional bypass, mage class, gear and multiple summons to abuse. Sekiro is hard because if you can't parry and learn the moveset, you won't progress the game. Simple as. Same with Bloodborne. And keep in mind, the average player sucks donkey dick. They won't plan. They won't strategize. They'll just button mash. Most of these retards don't even use smoke grenades in Battlefield. So yeah, the order goes (hardest to easiest)>Sekiro>Bloodborne>DeS/DS1/2/3 (maybe DeS edges them out because half health penalty loss and that penalty was reduced as time went on)>Elden Ring
>>738784630That depends if you consider sweat lording a mental illness.The only way a game can be challenging these days is if it's a test of reflexes and perfect execution. Anything less is a matter of copying a cheese build and just going through the motions. Too many game developers and gamers think it's a bad thing which is why we have things like Inferno Nemesis RE3R, Rebirth's pigheaded Hard Mode and Promised Consort Radahn.AI solutions like NitroGen are few years away from becoming a staple in every gamer's household. Either game devs cede ground and rethink their idea of what makes games fun or they will be forced to turn all games into IWBTG.
It's the hardest one. You have the best tools in Elden Ring but the game really requires you to learn about it before it's easy. It's much easier to brute force the other souls games.
>>738773937No. Because generally to break the game you need to scavenger hunt a bunch of items that you may not know even exist in the massive map. Compare that to DS1 where you can just get a Zweihander and Havel Armor in an hour or two, and it isn't at all comparable. It can be pretty easy for a total expert. But for a novice that doesn't have a dozen key item drop locations memorized, it is not that easy.
>>738785253There's no such thing as novice in age of information. We all have internet devices in our pockets.
>>738777476I played Ds3, BB and Sekiro first playthrough within a few months and this was my impression of difficulty:>Early Game: Sekiro hardest. Maybe because I needed to learn deflection>End Game: DS3 or BB hardest due to DLCBosses:>BB actually has easier bosses in general, maybe because the dodge is strong as fuckHardest boss:>Sister Friede (I might have been underleveled)Notable bosses that took me about the same time, from 1,5h to 2h of tries in no particular order:>Owl 1 & 2>Orphan>Nameless>Gael>fucking Drunkard>Lady butterflyThe last two were mainly because I didn't know how to deflect in early game.Dancer and Champion I fought late so I was overleveled, they might have posed a greater challenge.Honourable mentions:>Demon princes>Chalice Rom
>>738784047Everything.>>738784694I post in other topics too that have nothing to do with dogshit, so no, I will not do that.
>>738782585The early game of a magic char is pure ass but the mid to endgame is great. Been doing a full sorcerer playthrough and that's what i gathered.
>>738781025Yeah, the DLC basically intentionally killed this, because almost every hard boss is scripted to throw out a big "fuck you" attack if you lag by the fog wall for more than .5 seconds.
>>738773937Most of elden ring is incredibly easy since you can get weapons almost fully upgraded before fighting anything. Even if you're base level you don't even have to play perfectly thanks to opaline bubbletear and other buffs. Of course malenia and the DLC are bullshit and were made with a very pessimistic design philosophy at odds with everything else, probably because some exec said that fromsoft titles have to live up to the punishing meme.
>>738773937BB purely because playing it at 20FPS is actual torture > ER > DaS3 > Sekiro >>> DaS1 > DeSArtificial difficulty tier goes to DaS2
>>738785523>Everything.Now you're just being ridiciolous. Taking your mindset to it's logical extreme will lead us to on rails movie games with QTE events without visual prompts in order to create "fulfilling game experiences that trully test gamers".
>>738784771By "punishes you" I meant the fights are just poorly designed and instead of the bosses having real boss patterns they largely just read your inputs and cheat in a way that people used to recognize as dogshit annoying game design that makes legitimate artificial difficulty. Elden Ring is like if someone said "every boss in our game should feel like fighting Mortal Kombat 2 Shao Kahn" When you get "punished" in Elden Ring, its not like Dark Souls where you got greedy and did something stupid, its usually just the game pulling some blatant bullshit and killing you in a way that just makes you feel robbed of your time because the game thinks its being cheeky and clever by being intentionally annoying.In actual souls games bosses would leave openings and have obvious windups and tells for attacks and if you had a little patience you could learn to overcome any fight with just basic common sense regardless of what kinda build or playstyle you're going for. In Elden Ring the bosses are the ones exploiting you, they stand around like dumb cunts waiting for you to press a button so they can read your inputs and punish you in some kind of hollywood esque annoying subversion of expectations that does nothing but make the game objectively fucking annoying in a way that none of the other souls games were. The other games respected you as a player, elden ring does the opposite and directly disrespects you and not in a "haha thats so hardcore!" kinda way, it just farts in your face and then turns around with a shit eating grin on its face like "tee hee hee wasn't that so clever and subversive?", no Elden Ring, having the boss do fucking nothing and wait around for me to press a button so it can instantly counter whatever I fucking did isn't a clever hard boss you fucking cunt its just bad game design.
>>738783138>elden dogshit ringvery creative, bozo
>>738785838my nigga just have 40 vigor, some defensive talismans, a shield, and have some flasks, you get like 100+ mistakes per bossfight that wayI've been running RL1 NG+7 bosses for a while and very few bosses are pure inputreading bullshit, and margit is definitely the worst offender but even him can be aggressed and pushed into a corner if you're smart enough
>>738785936>just cheese the game with a specific build that trivializes how poorly designed the game isI already covered this in my original postYou either cheese the game and trivialize it, or you suffer through the worst designed souls game by trying to play it normally because the developers thought it would be fucking hilarious and hardcore if every fight in the game was designed around subverting the expectations of seasoned souls players, but all they managed to do was encourage everyone to play the game like a retard that maxes out their HP and just spams jumping heavy attacks or minmaxes a giant laser beam because actually trying to engage with the fights like you would in any other souls game is a tedious obnoxious slog that no one actually enjoys doing outside of a bunch of weenies that think being good at elden ring makes them a hardcore gamer because they grew up on reddit surrounded by poseurs jerking themselves off for playing the wacky le prepare to die game from the youtubes.
>>738786110this nigga's shadowboxing lol
>>738777476The biggest hurdle of difficulty of these games largely comes from acclimation to the underlying mechanical systems. Your first souls game will always be the hardest because it's like learning to ride a bike.Sekiro I expect for many provided a second-experience of this as people came into the game unprepared for how strongly it expected you to accustom yourself to the parry and counter-timing combat.With all that said, I'm baffled anyone sincerely believes Elden Ring is the easiest game From have made, even given the inclusion of spirit summons and overpowered magic. It seems to wilfully ignore the existence of overpowered tools in previous games. 90% if not more of the bosses in Dark Souls, Demons Souls, and Dark Souls 2 would struggle to qualify as minibosses in Elden Ring's gauntlet, and there are numerous examples of hyper-agile tanky mobs especially by the end-game that would actually be among the most difficult fights in those previous games were they somehow backported into them.
>>738786110>Using nondescript equipment of which there are dozen types as well as leveling in an RPG is cheesing
>>738785936nta but in order to get all that you need:> approx 140k runes> visit Atlus Plateu for Dragoncrest Shield TalismanNot something you would organically get in Limgrave and Weeping Peninsula. If you'd go out of your way to get those things then you might as fully commit to +10 Somber nonsense.
Personally, I'd say DeS
>>738786473DeS and DaS are genuinely the best games by far because they came out before the franchise felt like it needed to prove something by being hard, and was just trying to be its own thing. The hyperfixation on being a difficult franchise kinda sloppified the sequels
>>738786393faroth dragon + putrid avatar give 160k ish so that's not really a concernalso if the argument is about early bosses, then 20-30 vigor + brass shield + barricade shield is absolutely more than enough
It's been a while since I played, but you really can't use two Ashes of War when you're holding two weapons?I use the Eleonora Twinblade but I want something fun in my off hand.
>>738773937it's the hardest game ever made
>>738785876The guy who posts 'Elden Dogshit Ring' should be documented for their tireless perseverance. The sheer longevity of their crusade against ER would be admirable were it not so tragically autistic. I've sort of worked out through lexical analysis that he's an actual OG shazamtroon who was seething about ER before its release, and quite possibly experienced an actual complete mental breakdown after ER released in a state contrary to the doom-mongering.I wouldn't remark on it either way were it not so concerning than in almost five years, he hasn't even attempted to change his shitposting methodology. 'Elden Dogshit Ring'/Elden Shart/Elden Mid etc. is bizarre third-worlder playground-level schizobabble. He must be a genuine spastic.
>>738773937yes lolyou can literally ride through the whole game untouched
>>738786528For sure, though my favourite is DaS 2, for whatever reason, the DaS & DeS are probably still the actual best games.
>>738785838>ER disrespects you because it actually punishes you and forces you to learn what you're doingER bosses have tons of openings that are literally built in their attacks, also previous Souls games had the same "input" reading so your point is null
>>738786770>ER bosses have tons of openings that are literally built in their attacksWhat good does that do if the boss doesn't bother attacking until you do because the devs are annoying cunts?
>>738786809>What good does that do if the boss doesn't bother attacking until you doPlease stop peddling your mental illness, nobody who actually played the game believes your bullshit, it's been nearly five years by now
>Invader tubers>They all cheated every item multitple times into their inventory with all ashes of war possible to switch on the flyJust because you could theortically have this legit by being on NG+20 it doesn't mean you are not cheating
>>738786532So Caelid is it? Again, not a location someone would stick around in on their first organic playthrough since it's more likely they'd get brutalized either by doggos.>b-but Guranq teleportor Black Blade Kindred/Vulgar MilitiamenIf someone is bullrushing to those rune farms then they might as well do their rounds like Bryceinator does in his videos.
>>738785201as a skilllet who always brute forces these sorts of games, I disagree. I went for a STR build and in the mid-to-late game I could beat pretty much any boss in a handful of hits with an upgraded Giant-Crusher with Royal Knight's Resolve and a few buffs. With a high enough poise you really don't need to dodge since you can kill bosses faster than they can kill you.
>>738786857I spent way too much time testing this, and if you don't do anything they won't engage and will just stand around doing nothing, and the moment you start casting a spell they'll launch across the stage and interrupt you. Its not a fun or exciting fight, the way the boss is designed isn't challenging in a satisfying way, its just really annoying and stupid.Thats my point, the way bosses in elden ring are designed is annoying and stupid.I don't care if they can be beaten, I don't care if I was able to beat them myself. After beating the bosses in Elden Ring I never thought "wow after getting the hang of their patterns that was a really fun fight!" it was always "holy shit I'm glad thats over I fucking hated that boss, what an annoying cunt, everything about that fight pissed me off"Similarly, losing to bosses almost never made me go "Shucks I got greedy and made a dumb mistake, next time I'll learn from this and do better!", every time I died it almost always felt like pure robbery and there was nothing to be learned. The lesson in death 90% of the time in Elden Ring was just "lol. Lmao. Get pranked nerd"I've beaten Elden Ring and all the other souls games, Elden Ring is by far the least fun to play because the bosses suck and the most effective ways to deal with them aren't even fun to do.
>>738787016read the rest of my post>also if the argument is about early bosses, then 20-30 vigor + brass shield + barricade shield is absolutely more than enough
>>738787115>I spent way too much time testing this, and if you don't do anything they won't engage and will just stand around doing nothingYou didn't do shit, retard.
>>738787163I'm sorry for insulting your comfort game, but you hyperfixating on souls games like a sperg doesn't invalidate everyone elses experiences with them.
>>738787125Enough for who exactly? You wrongly assume your average gamer is as competent as you are.
>>738787269if your argument is just "the average gamer won't do that" then i'll just relink>>738784002"knowing what to do" is the only skill barrier these games have ever had
>>738787115high effort bait. good job.
>>738787312Someone who already knows that probably knows more and wouldn't settle for bare minimum.
>>738787241I only invalidate other people's experiences when they're patently false.Which admittedly happens a lot in this shithole of a board which has been infested by subhuman garbage like you for well over a decade by now.
>>738785832Nope. There are different approaches to world design that work: non-linear interconnected closed-world design (dark souls), linear world design (dark souls 3), level select world design (demon's souls), chapter based world design (ninja gaiden black) or mission select world design (armored core) and other variations of these methods.Open-world is just lazy, boring, empty, time-wasting and worthless. Holding 1 button and running around in an open-world is not gameplay, it is anti-gameplay.Elden DOGSHIT Ring is just another dogshit open-world slop and its fans are delusional, especially since they were ridiculing "le ubishit open-world is so bad, Elden Ring is so innovative!" despite the fact that they are both the same thing.
>>738787115>I spent way too much time testing this, and if you don't do anything they won't engage and will just stand around doing nothingOnly Malenia does this and she only does it when you do too much damage too fast because she is a shitty one trick pony boss and getting you close to her to do Waterfowl is the last resort of that shitty boss AI of hers
>>738787469sounds like a massive cope but you do you m8
>>738787423Cope, ER fucking blows and it’s combat is ass lol stay mad no one cares about it anymore
>>738787550Open world for a souls game is trash and is boring as fuck to playthrough again, sounds like you’re seething but you do you m8
>>738782585I'd say it was straight up OP in Demon's Souls because of how primitive boss AI was in those games. By the time you get to Elden Ring, it is good, but if you wanted to break the game, there are much better ways to do it.
>>738787638>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE! SEETHE!yeah ok kid
>another disingenuous anti elden ring threadyawn
>>738787567Good to see you dropped that extremely thin façade already, didn't take much.
>>738786630>I've sort of worked out through lexical analysis that he's an actual OG shazamtroon who was seething about ER before its releaseWrong. I was the biggest Elden DOGSHIT Ring promoter on /v/, many years before it released. I was the guy who posted that infamous 3x3 with Elden DOGSHIT Ring in it for years before it came out, claiming that it would be a masterpiece. Then the game came out and I was the first to see what an utter dogshit game it was and how worthless the open-world element is. Instead of being spineless, I apologized publicly to /v/ for spamming that 3x3 and that I claimed a game would be masterpiece before it was released and shilled and hyped it up for years... and then I declared war against Elden DOGSHIT Ring. If you actually were an active user of /v/, you would know who I am and what 3x3 I am talking about. Maybe you can track it down in the archives if you are as good at analyzing and researching as you claim.In any case, you are wrong. I was never a shazamposter, nor that anon who made the "shart" posts. I never said "shart", I always said Elden DOGSHIT Ring.
Pretty much every souls game had builds that made them piss easy but the newer they are the twitchier the combat so I'd say no probably not. Dark Souls 1 is probably the easiest.
>>738787469Corridor's thickness doesn't change anything. You still run from point A to point B.
>>738785838Elden Ring is not turn-based. You're meant to be more aggressive.
>>738787550Nope, I don't cope, I post truth.
>>738787912open-world doesn't have corridor's. open-world makes running from point A to point B tremendously longer, taking more time, it is boring.
>>738773937every souls game is piss easy. ds1 had black knight weapons, ds2 had rapier, ds3 had sellsword swords. the only souls game that you couldn't cheese was sekiro, hence why it's the best one
>>738782585you can pretty easily break all of DS1 with magic although its harder to do pure sorcery/faith, there's no reason to not use pyromancy on any build realistically,In DS2 they nerfed hexes several times.
>>738788020nta but that's just exercise in trial and error and you might as well just unga bunga Prayer Strike/Lion Claw
>>738773937All souls slop are JRPGs, anon, the easiest fucking genre in video games. Always has been and it's why casuals love it.
>>738788085That only happens if you ignore literally everything along the way same way as you would ignore everything along the way in any design you mentioned.
>>738773937my favorite part is how after the initial stamina usage niether the mana or fatigue bars move at all. Liek the game is glitched or somthing lol
>SOULS GAMES ARE EASY>EXCEPT WHEN THEY'RE DIFFICULT, THEN IT'S FAKE AND SHITTY DIFFICULTY50+ million salesvideo games savedShazam lost
>>738788283>That only happens if you ignore literally everything along the way same way as you would ignore everything along the way in any design you mentioned.No, it only happens in open-world slop. Map too big, way too boring.
People who whine about boss difficulty are 100% likely to not be using a shield because none of the "gotcha" boss moves that you can't really instantly deal with are not much of a gotcha if you can block most if not all of the damage and then react next time it happens to retaliateDkS1-3 and ER are all designed to be played that way with shield melee combat being normal, magic being ez mode and shieldless melee being hard mode.Making the game harder and then complaining that it's hard makes you the manifestation of that falling off your bike maymay
>>738788153sure but there was nothing like the eyeballs on Elden Ring when it came out. All the normies saw the infinite spell glitches and shit bricks. There is nothing similar in any of the previous games.
>>738773937DS2 is easier despite /v/irgin trying to convince you otherwiseDS2 is for all intends and purposes turn based
>>738788895its crazy how strong and boring having a tower shield and poke weapon is in this series.
>>738773937Bloodborne is the easiestElden ring is the sloppiestDark Souls 2 is the jankiestDark Souls 1 is the bestestDark Souls 3 is the strangestDemon's Souls is the oldestSekiro is
>>738788193That is literally doing what I said.
>>738782783>shield shitterActually engage with the combat and come back
>>738783138lmao switch lies of p with the braindead mecha game
Elden Ring has the easiest metagame by nature of it being such an open world. If you autistically memorize every item location you can know how to make any sort of broken build you want before you even fight any of the hard bosses.See: the seemingly infinite elden ring challenge run youtube videos.
>>738786557No luck. It defaults to what is in your right hand, unless you're carrying a shield. You'd have to put No Skill on your right hand weapon to get it to swap to the left's skill.
>>738788895Souslop gives you hours worth of i frames on the most basic of dodges, at least compared to other action titles. Why waste time turtling when you can probably roll through 80% of attacks on pure instinct?
>>738788912and water is wet. why do you think i didn't mention elden ring? too many examples to list. star fists, bloodhound's fang, dark moon greatsword, blasphemous blade and mohgwyn's sacred spear, night comet, ancient dragon lightning strike, dragonmaw, etc etc etc.
>>738789387>Roll spam>Combat engagementYou literally cannot be touched by enemies whenever you roll.
>>738782585>infinite ranged damage is dogshit in the games with fuckhuge spastic enemiessure manpyro is by far the strongest ds1 starter and it's not even close
>>738773937this doesn't work on 99% of the bosses
>>738789482People dying dozens to hundreds of times against bosses proves that relying on 'instinct' is retarded. Souls enemies are more powerful compared to the player and the player is intentionally clunkier to control compared to other action titles.
>>738789528you literally cannot be touched by enemies by moving out of the way, does that mean if you're allowed to move in a video game that it doesn't have combat engagement?
>>738783138i'm a faggot and i like elden ring and AC6 but none of the restnot sure what that means for your image
>>738773937>0 rune
>>738788895From easiest to hardest imo:>greatshield + anything completely solves all combat>pure spellcaster with spirit summons that are there to take aggro for 2 seconds so you can delete the boss>weapon and shield with a smart mix of dodging, blocking and guard countering (dodge-dodge-dodge-block-guard counter solves almost every fight)>pure spellcaster with no summons and using only quick spammy spells>shieldless dex build leaning into status effects>pure spellcaster with no summons trying to make big nuke spells work>shieldless dex build with bad or no status effects>purist weapon only play with no spells or skills>soulless "dodge+R1" gameplay
>>738789248Greatshield is not even easy mode, it's "just the story please" except there is no story of course, which makes the whole thing pointless to play. Magic at least looks cool
>>738783638How do you plan to run away in 2 when fog doors, levers, chests all don't have invincibility built in?
>>738789609Souls games are as mainstream as you can get, so they were many many many folks' first ever action game. I'm talking about a situation where you've actually fucking played such a game before.
>>738789387>Play by my arbtiary, made up standards so I can pretend the game is harder than it isSure*One shots every boss with magic*
>>738790125If you used an attack, I can say with full confidence that you didn't beat the game.
>>738789985Devil May Cry and God of War were very popular when Demon's/Dark Souls hit the scene and made everyone shit their pants over their difficulty.
>>738774001Fucking kill yourself, not everything is slop this slop that, go slop on the 13 dildos in your closet retard.That goes for anyone using the word "slop"
>>738783638I am playing ds2 for the first time, just beat sinnerAny boss that is objectively weaker than their runback gets a 0/10. So far sinner and ruin sentinels are 0/10
>>738789683>roll spam>look dad, I rolled and "I got out of the way" and didn't get hit!Who's gonna tell him?
>>738790349>God of War>i frames
>>738788716No, it only happens if you ignore everything along the way. There's always something to interact between point A and B same way as you would in a corridor.
>>738789904Greatshield + Spear is the easiest way to play the game but also the most logical combo to use for a tarnished that can just become giga strong with runes so why wouldn't he just carry a big ass shield everywhere instead of gimping himself with dexcringe
>>738789293>Sekiro isThe kino-est.
>>738792130Why didn't they use this effect in ER?
>>738789439Lies of Piss is exactly where it is supposed to be.>>738789751>i'm a faggot and i like elden ring and AC6That is not possible. Elden Ring and AC6 have directly opposing and conflicting design philosophy, if you like one, you will dislike the other automatically.Elden DOGSHIT Ring is an open-world slop that priortizes time-wasting emptyness.Armored Core VI Fires of Rubicon is a mission-select that prioritizes fun and action, no time-wasting nonsense.
>>738792314St. Trina's torch has a purple fire effect
>>738790667Worthless filler, copy+paste time wasting garbage. The only good content in Elden DOGSHIT Ring are the legacy dungeons.
>>738792314Different teams working on the games and simultaneously developed, so couldn't carry much over. Don't worry though, Miyazaki wants to SHARPEN the future games.
>>738792729They've been sharpening it for 7 years so it better be able to cut through space by now
>>738792403>One cannot like fast-paced action and slow-burn games at the same timeNigga are you retarded? To use food analogy since stupid post deserves a stupid response: "You like salty AND sweet foods? That is not possible. Sweet and salty have directly opposing tastes"
ER has more input reading, delayed attacks and AOE spam of any souls game. It's definitely the hardest one playing solo, by far.
>>738773937Never made a magic build and never actually beat that dude. Always used the easier route instead.
>>738792729Well let's hope so because Sekiro was the next step in combat evolution and then they regressed it with ER because it began development earlier. But it was too successful which makes me worried
>>738782846>Can't comment on 3 since I never played the DLC for thathe's 100% referring to ds3 dlc. it is infamous for cucking spell builds because so much shit is either resistant to lightning, magic, fire, or all of them at once. pyromancy has it especially bad in ringed city because demon prince and midir are resistant to fire, and the ringed city has a ton of picrel encounters
>>738773937Yes
>>738792850>>One cannot like fast-paced action and slow-burn games at the same timeThat is not what I said.One can't like TIME-WASTING BORING EMPTY OPEN-WORLD SLOP RUNNNIG AROUND SIMULATOR and MISSION-BASED NO TIME-WASTING DESIGN at the same time.>Nigga are you retarded?No, I am just too smart and aware. You lack one of these, that is why you can't comprehend what I comprehend.
>>738792637Wrong
>>738793134>WrongWhat content in the open-world slop is better than the structured legacy dungeon content?
>>738792637This, ER is much better if you skip most of the LARD
>>738792403sorry, but not everybody operates the same way you doI've beaten NG++ and replayed the whole game once last yearI also enjoy making builds in Elden Ring, though I'll admit most of my replays have been with the Convergence mod, since that adds way more stuff and lets me actually do unique and interesting buildsI consider AC6 one of the best games of all time, it's probably in my top 5, definitely in my top 10here are some other games I like a lot, in case you want to experience more cognitive dissonancewarframe (stopped years ago though, game went to shit)TF2Abiotic FactorSlay the Spire 1SubnauticaMorrowindDeep Rock GalacticHearts of Iron IVMonster Hunter WorldKilling Floor 1Borderlands 3 (with voices muted)Vermintide 2Schedule IFactorioMinecraftThe Stanley ParableCore KeeperHades 1/2Far Cry PrimalRisk of Rain 2
>>738783138>ac6 is different bro. you're spamming quick boosts in that game instead of rolls.
>>738793840>warframe (stopped years ago though, game went to shit)>TF2>Abiotic Factor>Slay the Spire 1>Subnautica>Morrowind>Deep Rock Galactic>Hearts of Iron IV>Monster Hunter World>Killing Floor 1>Borderlands 3 (with voices muted)>Vermintide 2>Schedule I>Factorio>Minecraft>The Stanley Parable>Core Keeper>Hades 1/2>Far Cry Primal>Risk of Rain 2All of the open-world games in this list are DOGSHIT, just like Elden DOGSHIT Ring. The non open-world games are acceptable, even if I am not interested in them.If you like open-world slop, you are a subhuman to me.
>>738792909>Weak to Dark>Can emit/force downYou have no excuse, shitter
>>738794663cool, i don't give a shiti'm just letting you know that your autistic hyper-fixation on your object of hate does not apply to everybody and some people will enjoy things you like while also enjoying things that you hateif you possessed theory of mind this wouldn't be so hard to wrap your head around
You objectively didn't beat the game if you use magic. Magic has always trivialized souls games
>>738773937This is an end game level build with a maxed out weapon against a mid game. In any souls game, the boss would be trivial under such conditions.
>>738792729This is the next Sekiro team game btw
>>738773937Demon's Souls is easier still
>>738792868Parryslop dogshit is not combatThe Bornekiro team is making DuskbloodsYou will never get a Sekiro successor
>>738786157The tranny who made this thread will either ignore or not read this, but you're exactly right. A random crucible knight requires more technical skill to fight than Gwyn.
>>738793076That looks boring, glad I never used summons
>>738773937It's the hardest :)
>>738795632>Pre mimic nerf webm
>>738793076Then she hyperarmored into her Waterfowl Dance and killed both of you.
>>738795148nigger what i had no problems with the resistances personally. i literally just took the uchi and rag clothing from the samurai guy in firelink shrine and used that from beginning to end in my first playthrough (including dlc). im just pointing out that the dlc enemies have a ton of resistances
>>738795745>im just pointing out that the dlc enemies have a ton of resistancesNo they don't, retardLike all Dark Souls 3/ER enemies are weak to at least one damage type accessible to any caster buildMiracle casters can use GnawPyromancers can use Dark Fire
If you used any of these, you didn't beat the game
>>738795632>Flask of crimson tears: 1
>>738773937Dark Souls 2 is the easiest souls game as no other souls game lets you permanently clear areas of enemies
>>738795253Sorcery is not particularly good in elden ring actually. There's just a meme spell that you can use against a couple of bosses that start the fight by standing still or walking directly towards you slowly
>>738793268Open field battles with giant dragons and other very large enemies. I love ER dragons.
>>738795868>DLC ENEMIES DONT HAVE A TON OF RESISTANCES>HERE, USE THESE SPELLS TO COUNTER THEIR RESISTANCESwhich one is it, dumbass and i doubt the average player on a blind playthrough would be able to tell their damage is being resisted to begin with, let alone figure out the elemental weakness of the dlc enemies without looking it up. the ringed knights look like they would resist dark, for fuck's sake. why would u think that dark spells would work well against them??
>>738789293Dark Souls 3 is more sloppish than Elden Ring
>>738773937No Souls game is hard because you can just level infinitely and brute force your way through every encounter. You are literally never required to git gud.
>>738796146>>DLC ENEMIES DONT HAVE A TON OF RESISTANCES They have the same reistances all base game enemies do. You will do shit damage against demons using pyromancy>and i doubt the average player on a blind playthrough would be able to tell their damage is being resisted to begin with, let alone figure out the elemental weakness of the dlc enemies without looking it up. >the ringed knights look like they would resist dark, for fuck's sake. why would u think that dark spells would work well against them??Yeah who could even figure the guys with fire weapons and using dragon head shields aren't weak to fire and lightning
>>738796059i like ds2, but it definitely is way easier compared to ds1 or ds3. >infinitely farmable healing stones that you can carry dozens upon dozens of>bonfire ascetics to grind boss souls for easy level ups or to get ng+ items early>by far the easiest boss roster in the entire trilogythe only thing it has going for it in terms of difficulty are the """ganks""" but you can just funnel enemies into a corridor and kill them that way. there's shrine of amana too, i guess, but a bow and poison arrows trivializes the mages
btw faggots, if you even opened and started any souls game, you didn't beat the game. next thread now.
>>738774623sekiro isn't a souls game
>>738774623Mimic is less effective than doing the meta heavy jump attack. There's a reason almost every clip and build is someone jump attacking with a great sword. There's also a reason why Radahn punishes that strategy the most and so many "git gud" faggots were exposed as scrubs. Even From knew the great sword jump attack was ez mode.
>>738773937bloodborne is the easiest for sure except for orphan of kos
>>738795180>i'm just letting you know that your autistic hyper-fixation on your object of hate does not apply to everybody and some people will enjoy things you like while also enjoying things that you hateNobody should enjoy open-world slop. If I had the power to exterminate them, I would.
>>738797897You don't even possess the mental fortitude to get good at a video game, let alone wield violence against your enemies
>>738795440Nope, it is solo directed Miyazaki passion project. Hamatani and Yamamura (The S-Team behind Sekiro and Armored Core VI) are working on something else.
>>738795498>The Bornekiro team is making DuskbloodsWrong. Read: >>738797989
>>738797897okay, inversely: I think you're a fag for needing an on-rails experience and not being able to enjoy the adventure that comes with being dumped into a world with tons to do and only being told "go do stuff"do you hate TTRPGs for the same reason?
>>738797950>You don't even possess the mental fortitude to get good at a video gameWhich video game would that be?>let alone wield violence against your enemiesI have no enemies. I am perfectly capable of violence, I just don't have enough of it to exterminate open-world subhumans.
>>738798174>being dumped into a world with tons to doThere is nothing relevant to do in the boring, empty, time-wasting, copy+paste open-world slop running simulator section. The only relevant things to do are the structured legacy dungeons.>do you hate TTRPGs for the same reason?I hate all open-world games, if the TTRPG is set in an open-world, I hate it.
>>738798267>Which video game would that be?Elden Ring>I have no enemies. You've certainly made an enemy in me, by spamming your nonsense tranny seething threads every day for years>open-world subhumans.You're the DaS1 baby who cries and shits his pants at any game that isn't trivially beat without effort
>>738773937Souls games got progressively harder each time, objectivelyNot that ER is insanely hard but a lot of enemies are designed to be annoying, like the fire knight whores in SotE
>>738792130
>>738788716
>>738798734>Elden RingI pirated, beated and deleted it during release period, it was piss easy, open-world was extremely boring and worthless.>You've certainly made an enemy in me, by spamming your nonsense tranny seething threads every day for yearsYou can see me as your enemy, I don't see you as my enemy, you are just a victim of open-world subhumanism. If you could be cured, I would be happy and hug you, if you can't be cured then I want your extermination, that would make the world a better place. Open-world and its lovers are a cancer, cancer has to be cut out and exterminated before it kills them organism.>You're the DaS1 baby who cries and shits his pants at any game that isn't trivially beat without effortNot me.
Its the easiest once you start learning how to break stances and stack bleed and frost.
>>738799069Beautiful design, structured, handcrafted, every step is calculated, every 10-15 sec that bad player is forced to think and make a decision, he fails the crystal lizard, continues on, drops off a platform, finds relevant loot instead of meaningless cookbooks or arteria leaves, has to observe his surroundings, fall damage is relevant, takes calculated risks, ends up at the bottom.This 1 minute of gameplay of a transitionary zone, showed verticality being perfectly applied.Dark Souls 1, the perfect non-linear interconnected closed-world game design ever witnessed in this dogshit gaming industry.Humilates Elden DOGSHIT Ring open-world garbage forever.
>>738799098No you didn't "beated" it. You got filtered by fucking Margit and have spent 8 hours a day shitposting ever sense>You can see me as your enemy, I don't see you as my enemy, What you see is irrelevant. You're a retard tranny who sucks at vidya and I will remind you of it every day until you get over yourself (which you likely never will)>Not me.Yeah you, faggot. You're also likely to claim to like DeS and BB despite never even playing them.
>>738789869>pure spellcaster with no summons trying to make big nuke spells workThere is nothing more satisfying than lining up Astel Meteorite and one shotting a boss.
>>738799514>finds relevant loot It's a terrible armor set and a generic bow in a game where bows suck dick. Have you even played DS1?
>>738799069Darkroot really is a boring as hell level. I don't think any forest level can really be made all that interesting. No Fromsoft game has succeeded so far.
>>738782783or just stun lock them with a colossal weapon
>>738798363>if the TTRPG is set in an open-worldnigga you're just retardeddo you even know what a TTRPG is
>>738793076they patched it, you can't cheese her like that anymroe
>>738798793>infinite million damage combo>oh btw one of the random peasants standing around everywhere will suddenly stand up and heal the fire knight lmao xDD gotcha! welcome to le elden ring
>The STR player that tells you that INT is easy mode
>>738802442Really, I think everyone who calls ER hard just refused to use FP in any form, despite there being so, SO many ways for even the most magic-hating deus vult chud to obliterate everything via ashes of war.
>>738791173The runes into strength thing is so busted that the Tarnished would have no reason to stop at materials designed for humanoid use. He could and should move on to solid rock and such. This right here is the objectively correct Elden Lord.
>>738773937No, every game had abuseable spellcasting except DS3 where they nerfed it
>>738781114They nerfed the duration of the infinite FP Cerulean Tear.
>>738782783>Is it so hard to think for yourself and use the tools the game gives rather than dodge spam and whine if it doesn't work?Yes, Elden Ring brought in a bunch of secondaries who didn't experience the iteration across titles from DeS to ER. They didn't realize each game subverted the expectations of the player a little bit to push them out of the comfort zone they established with the previous game.
>>738773937Yes. The players have just gotten more casual, and most people have been psyoped into playing like a no X challenge runner, where X is 75% of the game mechanics.
>>738773937>implying you couldn't two shot bosses with a minmaxed INT build in DeS/DaS
>>738774657>Find a big wave motion gun spell>Find an infinite mana item>Put 2+2 together>Profit
>>738803651This but unironically. I play like this and look like this and game easy
>>738773937It's the only mainline souls game so far with a built in easy mode (summon ashes), so yes.
>>738773937Torrent's shit just got blown smooth off
>>738789387Shields were part of combat since Demons' Souls. Weaker attacks bounce off shields, exposing the enemy to an instability hit for bonus damage. Block into 1 handed R2 hard counters the shitty, dagger-flailing enemies.
>>738799862Forbidden Woods in BBHidden Forest in Sekiro
>>738773937After your first time playing it, maybe. But the first playthrough, if you have ever played other installments, feels like a 150 hour pure tilt deathmarch, and I can’t imagine what the perspective of a first time player must be like, probably a bit overwhelming if you are unfamiliar with level progression in these games.
>>738773937I don't think i ever used magic in a Souls games. There's something inherently effeminate about it
>>738785936shield IS cheesing imoshield changes the entire fucking game, you realize that rightplay consort radahn with vigor, shield, and the deflecting counter tearnow play consort without a shield and see the differencethe only person shield gets fucked by is malenia which is probably why so many people raged at her, because both magic and shield users don't get to kill her for free (unless you use invisible magic, also deflecting tear but that wasn't around in the base game)
>>738796653Mimic is a free extra source of damage, you can do both you retard
>>738773937This shit only works on like 3 or 4 bosses while STR builds can just Lion's Claw everything.Magic is definitely not easy mode aside from bosses like mohg.
>>738806448That's funny because Mohg is the only boss that I fought "normally"
>>738806448>This shit only works on like 3 or 4 bossesAll of them (sans Mohg) are also absolutely trivial ones too.I really don't get why anyone would go with this metabuild when there's literally a build that will one-hit every single boss with a single light attack.
some of the bosses are the most insane stuff they ever made but it also has some of the strongest tools they've ever put into a game to deal with itmimic obviouslybut also in general the ability to inflict status effects on bosses is huge, plus you can get to super high level for everything just by doing all the mini dungeons that are around in overworld, you can get to super high levels just by gradually cleaning them out which isnt really an option in any other of their games and its not grinding just doing all side activities its well balanced
>>738806858My rule of thumb when I was doing my INT run is that if the boss does a cutscene FF move, I can hyper beam them, only for le beam clash kino. Actually made me forgo the snake killer on Rykard.
is demons souls worth playing?I like ds3/sekiro the most from fromsoft
ER was so easy that I didn't know it was supposed to be hard until I came to /v/ to find people raging about not beating certain enemies due to them being "unfair" lol.Then I found out they were just being autistic faggots and trying to roll spam the game
>>738807532Yes, although it might feel slow compared to the other games
>>738805747>uh you can't use this common piece of equipment that's cheesingare you for real?
>>738807948pls give me your build i'm an autistic faggot trying to roll spam the game
>>738808294nta but: hookclaws + quickstep = maximum styleno need to roll spam anymore
>>738787469I disagree because Elden Ring is the only "open world" game with a gameplay loop fun enough that I actually wanted to complete it.
>>738773937People sure did a lot of bitching for how "easy" it was when it came out then.
>>738799808>It's a terrible armor setNope.>and a generic bow in a game where bows suck dickSo?>Have you even played DS1?Yes.
>>738784403>>738784771>>738785936>>738786110The difficulty slider of a souls game is your build and equipment.It's up to you if you want to play "optimally" or if you want to play the character you want to play.
>>738799674>You got filtered by fucking Margit and have spent 8 hours a day shitposting ever senseMargit is an optional boss and can't filter anyone. Elden DOGSHIT Ring barely has any filters or roadblocks, you are clueless. Typical open-world slop consuming subhuman.>You're a retard tranny who sucks at vidya and I will remind you of it every day until you get over yourself (which you likely never will)I am better than you ever will be at gaming.>Yeah you, faggot.Nope, that anon you described is not me, cope.>You're also likely to claim to like DeS and BB despite never even playing them.I like all FromSoftware Soulsborne games, excel Elden DOGSHIT Ring.
dark souls with no shield or armor is easier than elden ring at full cheese outside a 1 hit kill build
>>738800008>nigga you're just retardedHow so?>do you even know what a TTRPG isYes. I answered your question perfectly, if you have trouble understanding it, that is your problem.
>>738808294Recontextualize the game>get yourself a shield, big and small (shield counter is strong, lots of human enemies are parrybait)>recognize that a lot of attacks can be jumped (jump attacks are OP)>recognize some attacks can be avoided by simply walking around them (and giving you windows to attack/heal)>getting in as many heavy attacks as possible consistently is king>often worth to power through damage to get a big hit in, especially if you feel the stagger point is imminent>use light attacks not as your main attack, but to keep the stagger meter from rebuilding>or darts/projectiles when there's distance
>>738799862>Darkroot really is a boring as hell level.You have dogshit taste.>I don't think any forest level can really be made all that interesting.Forbidden Woods is one of the best levels FromSoftware has ever made.>No Fromsoft game has succeeded so far.Clueless secondary with dogshit taste.
>>738773937It's the easiest if you cheese, but any game can be the easiest if you cheese. Actually playing the game as the developer's intended (Miyazaki himself said he wants players to overcome challenge, and cheesing is the antithesis to that design philosophy. Cheesing isn't overcoming. It's skipping) makes Elden Ring the hardest Souls-like and it's not even close.
>>738787841didn't read, sorry
i havent played in 2 years nowstopped before the elevatori hav no idea how this game plays anymoreis pvp still active? or is it filled with cheaters
>>738809823Headcanon. If the challenge has exploits then exploiting those is overcoming the challenge.
>>738804641>>738809641Forbidden Woods is a massive boring slog.
>>738802442Its a good trick to get through phase 1 painlessly, but IME, that phase really isn't that dangerous in general. On phase 2, staggerlocking her is almost impossible.
>>738809897>didn't read, sorryLiar
>>738810116Low IQ subhuman, back to Elden DOGSHIT Ring where you belong.
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>>738809823i'd like to see skumnut completing that challenge
>>738810769ancient dragon lightning strike would have two-shot him without any setup. also knight's lightning spear, these two spells bury every other sorcery and incantation in teh dirt
>>738810769Placidusax sucked so much. I'm glad we got Bayle so Elden Ring could have one great dragon fight.
>>738810940No it didn't. Those attacks where it phases in and out and the big lightning explosion that causes a brief time stop were kino asf
if I want to be able to claim that I actually beat this game, what weapons am I allowed to use?
what's specifically wrong with using things that are in the game? is that not playing and beating the game within the context of the game?This board loves to talk about the old days of gaming, magazines at that time would constantly describe the most optimal ways to beat games and strategies to get more powerful, why is that different in a game like elden ring?
>>738790378slopslop slop slop slop slop
>>738811119Its like beating up a stinky old geezer, but half way through the fight he pulls out his concealed carry magnum, but if you dodge the shot you get to crack his skull for free. It sucks. >>738811131Straight Dex/Keen infusion is the weakest in my experience. Almost nothing redeemable about it in PVE that isn't way better in another build.
>>738796653At launch Mimic could litterally beat the bosses solo. Shit was nerfed hard.
>>738777464>Also DS2 is mostly the hardest due to some godawful hitboxes.You didn't play the game. No one cares about hitboxes. It doesn't matter at all.
There is no shame in using mimic tear I used it the whole time and I had fun
>>738809823you are a buck broken mentally ill raped faggot if you genuinely force yourself to think about all this shit after a fight. If the developers didn't think about it or prevent you from doing it why do (you) get to decide over the developers?
>>738811131here are the official rules from the "you didn't beat the game" guidebook:1. you may only use one(1) broadsword, one-handed. two-handing is not allowed. every other weapon or shield is strictly prohibited, including the serpent hunter.2. you must pick the wretch class and stay at level 1. leveling up is strictly prohibited.3. armor, talismans, great runes and buffs in any way shape or form are strictly prohibited.4. usage of spirit ashes will result in two(2) "you didn't beat the game" members to break into your home and spitroast you violently.5. see >>738809823's pic for additional guidelines.
>>738811327
Well, /v/?
>>738811646i don't think he likes elden ring
Anyway, it's unironically demon's souls If you get this spell the game is over and even if you don't you'll be able to carry an almost infinite supply of healing and mana restoring items
>>738776424>every other game literally allows you to summon other people to play the game for you>but Sekiro is the easiest
>>738811646>Portugal now it makes perfect sense
>>738810769The moon was unnecessary as both meteor spells deal physical damage only
>>738782319DS2 and 3 are piss easy though? Hell I beat DS2 without ever dying or using a bonfire.
WOW
>>738773937the virgin Dragon Tree Sentinel>tries to intimidate adversaries with some gay pony flourish, leaves him temporarily defenseless insteadthe chad Commander GAYASS>charges directly at the player so aggressively that he got nerfed, on a pig
>>738811873SL01 can be pretty easy!
>>738810227She staggers to all the same shit in phase 2.
>>738810360source?
>>738811646Somehow based and extremely cringe at the same time
>>738810769ENTER,Elden DOGSHIT RingTrivialize everything, cheese everything.
>>738811821got a rellana one?
>>738786630I wonder how hard he was trying to think of a better name than the embarrassment he ended up with.
>>738811951How does he deal so much damage at lv1?
>>738811225>what's specifically wrong with using things that are in the game?Those things shouldn't be in the game. FromSoftware needs to grow up and grow some balls and remove all the cheese cancer from their games. Fuck Elden DOGSHIT Ring.
>>738810769I was really disappointed by this boss just like elden beast. The entire fight depended on dodging the laser beams near the end just like elden beast's destructo disks.
>>738812201Pyromancy Flame doesn't scale with stats, just the weapon level. He has the ring for extra damage while low HP and every other item that gives him extra damage.>>738812151There are only like 2~3 bosses in the game that you can use that Meteor of Astel against like that at most, and they had to time it really well when Placidusax was doing a long attack animation and broke his stance right before he finished it.
>>738812201Pyromancy flame scales on its own reinforcement only, and he's stacked flat percentage boosts on top of it.
>>738812112You can't loop her because she gets wake up hyperarmor.
>>738811885Gayass? Felled.
>>738812201Fully upgraded flame and he's wearing red tearstone ring, bellowing dragoncrest ring and crown of dusk
>>738810227>that phase really isn't that dangerous in general.you are out of touch
>>738812309You sure about that? He was hitting her in the first few frames where the hyper armor wore off in first phase as well, unless she lengthened her frames.
>>738812380I'm not particularly good at the game, but she's so passive that you're really able to control the pace and do stuff like running attacks that the AI is bad at handling. Phase 2 is much better designed because she actually tries to kill you.
>>738812384Retarded birbman
>>738812201The red tearstone ring buffs your damage substantially when you're below 20% health
>>738812116>source?Me.
>>738812410She'll hyperarmor through poise breaks in phase 2
>>738812453IIRC she can at any time whip out Waterfowl, even cancel a get-up or stagger animation and go straight into the attack, and it has hyperarmor
>>738812257>There are only like 2~3 bosses in the game that you can use that Meteor of Astel against like that at most, and they had to time it really well when Placidusax was doing a long attack animation and broke his stance right before he finished it.Cope*ding ding ding*ENTERMimic Tear / Black Knife Tiche*solo's 95% of the bosses for you while you literally stand there and watch*GOTY!!!I AM LE HARDCORE GAMER!!!IT IS NEVER TOO LATE TO GITGUD!A dogshit game designed from the ground up for the casual masses.All true FromSoftware fans and all true Souls fans will always hate Elden DOGSHIT Ring and the people who like Elden DOGSHIT Ring.
>>738773937No it's obviously DS1, but it's also the best
>>738812595Yeah, she does that in phase 1 too. If he just keeps up his timing though, she'll keep bouncing in the air. Granted he didn't need to because of his volcano pot trick, but still.
What's wrong with using a build guide for Elden Ring?
>>738802442wait, she regained no hp for phase 2?
>>738812732Build guides are a very boring way to play games.>god I just can't decide, I need an optimized build to copy
>>738812732It's a sign of being small minded if you can't come up with builds of your own
>>738812706>Mimic Tear / Black Knife TicheI commented on Meteor of Astel. Yes Mimic Tear is absurdly strong.>>738812745It was a bug that if you got her to phase 2 with fire damage or something she wouldn't regain her HP. I think it was completely fixed.
>>738812732It's the one thing that makes me give the didn't beat le game meme some validity.I mean, wouldn't you rather go in and create your own journey as you go? So much of the magic dies once you start metagaming. I can understand looking up some things like weaknesses, because you have no reason to assume Crucible Knights have none.
>>738790378Seethslop
>>738812453you're rationalizing. you're describing a level of gameplay that only becomes viable after hundreds upon hundreds of mastery of this particular genre, with an understanding of this particular iteration's mechanics, after sufficient trial and error feeling out the structure of the fight presented to you, or reading someone else's guide. you beating the boss eventually does not diminish it's a hard and extremely dangerous boss. you're transparently humblebragging expecting anybody to impressed by saying absurd bullshit. well, no. it just makes it clear to everyone you lost mentally to the boss. you're still seething years later, to the point you have to, unprompted, pretend like she's not a formidable foe.how do i know all this? because while you might acknowledge that you suck, i am actually good at these games. she's a hard boss, and is extremely dangerous. most players will struggle against her, even if they summon and pull out all the stops. that's because she's the hardest boss in the base game, and elden ring is a very hard game. no amount of rationalization changes any of that. you're just weak and can't let it go, but you can't cover up weakness anon, not while it still festers inside of you and rots your soul.
>>738813616I did not find phase 1 to be very hard even on my first playthrough as a caster that didn't realize that night sorceries could bypass her dodging, so only half my comets ever hit her, and I kept trying to fight her with a single one handed spear to feel cooler. My physick tears sucked, too. I didn't realize the poise breaking tear only lasted a short while, for example. Even in that case of really just kneecapping myself out of ignorance, phase 1's passivity made the fight pretty easy. Phase 2 is very difficult. This pattern has followed on subsequent playthroughs with different builds.
>>738782585I agree. It can be OP but it's still dogshit and annoying. Even the heals and buffs are irritating somehow. Stupid nippoids.
>>738787115I did have fun on this fight once. I was using a buffed up fire broadsword spamming the weapon art. I was able to stun/combo one, then DPS down the other before the first one came back, if I timed everything right. It was cool. But that weapon art is moderately broken, and I only say moderately because this is Elden Ring.
>>738812732there’s nothing nothing as long as you know that you didnt beat the game and never will beat the game if you used guides in your first run.
>>738813616NTA but none of her attacks are particularly hard to dodge except waterfowl in phase 1, and the only reason she's hard at all is her self healing. She isn't mechanically challenging, it's just her stats. I would actually argue that radagon has harder to dodge moves
>>738775508This but unironically.
>>738809210The people crying back then are the same ones trying to say its easy now that they've figured out the OP bullshit.
>values giving players the feeling of accomplishment after a tough challenge>also gives the players ludicrous amounts of overly powerful tools to get rid of all the challenge and therefore remove the players' feeling of accomplishmentall according to plan
>>738811225Nothing, in fact the point of a game is to find the easiest way to break it. Using a cheap strategy that makes the game easy means you're smarter and better than cowardly players.
>>738796653>>738811327The problem with Mimic Tear is that it takes effort to find in the game. Most players look everything up and then complain it's easy, but if you actually played the game you would feel rewarded by finding the Mimic Tear.
>>738817101here's a challenge run idea: play the game as lore-accurate tarnished. the chosen tarnished would have no way of knowing where the overpowered items are, so only go places that make sense for your character to go to. it's autistic but might be fun
>>738773937>spell requires 60 int>thats more int than the level you would be if you just progressed naturally through this part of the game.Leyndell is like the end of mid game in terms of balance, you should only be 40-50. Dragonbarrow is endgame area and for whatever reason the volcano has endgame loot despite the boss being a gimmick boss. Then you have some underground areas that are endgame tier as well. But doing those before Morgott is doing them out of order, which is fine if you want to, but basically no shit game will be easy when you sequence break and do lower level areas later.
>>738816663miyizaki is a tanky player. its pretty comfy but its really OP despite being nerfed in like every souls game since dark souls 1.
>>738817101i guess its out of the way but its not too hard to find blind if you're the type to explore as much as possible. I combed through just about everything my first run
When considering poise you are forced to look ugly in this game
Playing Souls games for the first time and realizing they weren't this extremely challenging brutal mountain that players made out to be, largely due to autistic self-imposed challenges like no summons, was one of the most disappointing gaming experiences I ever had
>>738818114Poise is a complete meme, if you can win a boss fight with poise you can win it without poiseAnd nobody ever won or lost a pvp invasion due to his poise, you were gonne win/lose regardless
RX 90760xt + 13700k + 32gb DDR5.Can I run ER at max settings at 4k@60fps?
>>738818170if youre looking for a challenge why choose to use the item that plays the game for you
>>738818170>largely due to autistic self-imposed challenges like no summonsI agree that from games are nowhere near as hard as they are made out to be and I'm not one of those "you didn't beat the game" autistis about anything else but summoning is straight up cheating and of course it trivializes the games, you are having other people beat the game for you and calling it easy, fucking ridicolous might as well say a game is easy because you didn't struggle while watching a let's play of it
>>738818170Elden ring specially was deigned on the assumption of using summons and/or spirit ashes in every boss fight.Miyazaki play tested the game using every tool at his disposal to get through them because even he admits he couldn't beat them without them.The game is LITERALLY designed around the assumption of using every tool at your disposal to cheese it.So when someone complains that xyz fight is too hard and then says "uhh no I didn't do that, that's not REALLY beating it" they're basically admitting that they're tying one hand behind their back and doing a challenge run, then complaining about it.
>>738818379>>738818576>j-just don't use the tool that is right in front of youyou'll faggots blame anyone but Miyazaki for putting such retarded mechanics in the game.
>>738818170>>738818671just play sekiro, the actual good game. no summons, no cheesy bullshit. every tool substantiates gameplay instead of circumventing it
I hate modern souls, fighting bullshit bosses with bullshit moves is not fun.If I want to play a sword and shield niggah I'm fucked since that's not spear and shield or the meta guard counter weapon.Also remember to do your buff rotation before every boss and recast when they run out since fights take forever now.Leave the broken stuff for whoever wants to break the game but let everyone else have fun with regular builds too
>>738818671you control the buttons you press :)
>>738818867every souls boss stops being bullshit the moment you realize how predictable each and every single one of them are. invincibility frames were always a mistake, and dodging by rolling and phasing through attacks you clearly didn't visually dodge is fucking stupid. monster hunter and sekiro are the only ones that did it right
>>738818795>every tool substantiatesmore like every tool is invalidated by god mode parrying that solves 100% of situations
>>738773937not gonna lie now that the dust has settled and we have ue5, this game looks ugly as fuck
>>738818795I did but I think samurai shit is lame. hopefully their next big title is hard like Sekiro. but probably not since ER was such a big normie success it'll probably be even easier.
>>738782783For my Lvl 1 run, I found that hitting him with a fire pot will cancel his teleportation. Being the shitter I am, I just lion's clawed him, followed by a heavy, then a crit, then repeated until he was dead. Felt pretty good to bully an enemy that fucked me up my first playthrough.
>>738818671you can do what you want faggot I'm just pointing out the absurdity of claiming something it's easy when you had someone else do it for you, if you seriously don't get it you are legit retarded
>>738774623>>738796653I never even had enough HP to ever summon the mimic. And even if I managed to acquire the minimum amount to summon it, I bet the mimic kind of sucks at minimum HP.
>>738819086>nowPeople were calling it ugly way before release, anon.It always looked like an early PS4 game (because it is just Dark Souls 3 but open world)
>>738819314Ye because it's health is partly based on yours so having low maximum HP makes for a squishy mimic even when fully upgraded
>>738819092sekiro is by far the easiest souls game
>>738819630post webm of you beating inner sword saint ishin with timestamp or fake and gay
>>738817101I didnt even know what it was till it soloed the gargoyle twins well I hid on a rock shooting them with a arrow. So no, I disagree.
>>738819781just imagine me pressing parry a bunch
