Just got an OLED .... its shitdont buy into memes, even ignoring burn in :-windows dosnt support auto HDR-no HDR support means you have to keep swapping it on and off by hand resetting your aps and settings each time-text looks like shit-light bleed and weird glow is still there due to panel coating-qd-oled means everything is pink, tandem oled means uneven greys and vertical banding-everything outside most expensive ones are too dim for normal usage
very good bait
>>738783290this is what oled shills wont show youget used to your eyes hurting the moment you try to read any bright text
>>738783416another very good bait
>>738783290>windows>text looks like shitdo you understand what a proper viewing distance is?>light bleed and weird glow is still there due to panel coating>everything outside most expensive ones are too dim for normal usageyou too poor for fucking curtains?>qd-oled means everything is pink, tandem oled means uneven greys and vertical bandingyou're talking about two different types of oleds there and you say you just got one, curious
>>738783320>>738783464not bait, its my first oled monitor, i wasted 1000$ on it only to now learn windows has basically 0 HDR supportso i have to keep switching by hand which after just 1 day makes me so angry im thinking of sending it backsure the HDR is nice addition, something we had in tvs for a decade, but its not woth it not being usable in desktop aplicationsalso fuck me the colors are so bad, everything is oversatuyrated up the ass, the reds glow as fuck, it looks as bad as those oled tvs in vivid profiles, only way to get rid of it is to go from normal hdr to custom settings
>>738783557>windows>hdrYou are beyond salvation
>>738783527>you're talking about two different types of oleds there and you say you just got one, curiousi got qd oled tv, samsung s95f, its fucking pink, and i mean pink pink, the moment you turn on any lights in the room the entire screen turn redish, only way to have proper colors is to sit in a dark ass roomso for my monitor i got woled... and it does fix that, no more pink screen, but its literally a waste of money on windows, you cant use anything outside of normal sdr mode as there is 0 support for ityou literally get worse screen quality than a fucking 200$ IPS if you buy a oled as pc gaymer
>>738783290My only problem with OLED is the grey bandingBut that's a pretty big one,I think it's worse than IPS light bleed Every time the scene is sightly darker and I move the camera I see those fucking lines
just bought one too but hasn't arrived, if its as bad as you say I'll just return it.
>>738783290I've gotten numerous compliments on my OLED screen, people saying it is a beautiful screen. Keep seething poorfag
>>738783920yep-vertical banding-individual pixel noise -burn in -brightness changing depending on screen usage-triangle or quad pixel layout making text and straight lines look wobbly and noisy-chromatic aberration on everything due to shit subpixel layout-pink screens due to coating -very dim in sdr, dimmer than cheapest laptop screens at even as low as 200nitspeople never mention all those problemsim legit convinced mini led is superior in every possible way, maybe contrast isnt as good, but its just one small problem next to a wall of issues
TN won
>>738784054qd oled or woled? how big?honestly everything under 32 inch 4k qd oled is pure shit, you will see poor pixel quality even with your bare eyes, those things need to be far away from you, this tech only makes sense for TVs4k oled is like 1440p IPS when it comes to clarity, maybe bit worse
The ONLY thing thats getting on my nerves is you have to take a 8-10min break after 4h every 4h
>HDR swapping Ctrl+Win+B turns hdr off and on instantly>text rendering sucks in windows This is true but is mitigated by brute forcing quality with high PPI by buying a 4K display. Windows jeets should fix their text.>qd-oled problemsRetard you bought inferior technology and are now complaining that it’s inferior>too dimLG G6 hits 3,000 nits. Next time do your research and buy a panel suited for your viewing environment.
>>738784291>LG G6thats a large ass tvtvs are much better than monitors overall, but thats another problem
>>73878425827" qd-oled, hopefully it isn't truly as bad as you say but like I said I'll just return it in the worst case.
>>738784054It's not, it's a bait thread. OLED is easily the biggest upgrade you can make and your monitor if your primary use case is media consumption.If you shitpost 8 hours a day, get an IPS (no risk of burn-in, conventional RGB layout handles text better, matte coating and brighter panels handle daylight better). Either way the monitor is the most important peripheral device you use. There's a staggering amount of retards on /v/ who think they're being smart, anti-consoomer and sticking it to the man by using 10-15 year old 60hz 1080p monitors.Fact is these monitors were always shit, even when brand new, we simply had no other options, we bought LCDs that were a straight downgrade from CRTs.But it's not 2010 any more, even a mid-range IPS gaming monitor BTFOs the high end monitors from 2010, and you're just torturing yourself by not upgrading.
>>738784358I use a 42” C5 as a monitor and recommend it. Do not be psyopped into believing computers need to be viewed in small displays. Games look better and are more immersive in bigger screens.
>>738784106People are complaining because it's RNG. There is huge difference between the worst and the best sample. No one wants to try out multiple monitors to get one with no issues.Some of the problems also go away after multiple refresh cycles.
>>738784471oh good, I'm personally looking forward to having real blacks again after 2 decades.
the monitor oleds aren't really worth it, true, but still:>windows dosnt support auto HDRauto HDR is never worth using in the first place. same for RTXHDR.A big strong point of OLED is that you don't need HDR in the first place really, as you get the most important part of HDR for free even in SDR with oled (the perfect black)It's the FALD/led monitors who need a true HDR signal at all time in order to know which zones to turn off/in order to look good, NOT oleds.>no HDR support means you have to keep swapping it on and off by hand resetting your aps and settings each time??? no. again oleds looks great in SDR so you don't need to give a shit about having the wanblows desktop display hdr>text looks like shitOnly QD OLEDs>light bleed and weird glow is still there due to panel coatingOnly QD OLEDs>tandem oledI need more experience with them but from what I saw the banding isn't as bad as some people say.>everything outside most expensive ones are too dim for normal usage300 nits full screen brightness on average is really fucking good and you're a subhuman niger with terrible vision without a roof over his head if you legit need more.I hate the dimfags so much. Reminder that SDR standard is 100 nits, and HDR paper white is 200 nits. 300 nits full screen is more than enough!The actual reason why I wouldn't recommend oled monitors is that Pulsar monitors exist now, and absolute BTFO any oled monitors that don't feature their own strobing technique. Pic very related, there isn't a single oled monitor or TV that's as good as this for content at 60fps and 75 to 119 FPS. At best they have 120hz BFI, meaning your game has to hit 120FPS first before you get to use the motion blur reduction tech. Pulsar doesn't have this issue.
>>738783290okay, i will get miniled instead
>>738784443uff, thats the worst comboif 27 only tandlem oled like gigabyte MO27Q28G or asus XG27AQWMG is the way to gootherwise i would go 4k 32 inch, since 4k 27 is a waste, too dense ppi unless you put your face into the screen, and at 1440p the clarity of qd oleds is unacceptable
You're suppose to buy an oled TV not an oled monitor
>>738784504i use 3 screens, cant fit a 42 in the middle
>>738783290>Just got an OLEDMay I see it?
>>738784729I have four screens and have a 42" in the middle. With Yamaha studio monitor speakers. Maybe get a real man-sized desk?
>>738784471>If you shitpost 8 hours a day,and where do you think your are?people here post memes all day and discuss games they never playedif you want an oled buy a console and something that supports it, on a pc mini ips is the way to go if you want "better blacks"
>>738783557I’ve never worked with OLED monitors, but generally speaking, the colors on all monitors are poorly calibrated.One thing you can try is borrowing one of those Spider devices, installing an open-source calibration program, and in 15 minutes you’ll have your screen calibrated and you can return the device to its original owner.The calibrated image leans much more toward warm colors, and it might even look strange at first, but if you have a good printer and print the image to compare it with your screen, you'll notice how accurate the calibrated monitor is (as long as you’ve calibrated the screen correctly for the lighting conditions in your room).
>>738784601Yeah, it's good to have real contrast again.My old TV was IPS and while the colours were very accurate the contrast ratio was less than 1000:1 with very high black levels. >>738784809That's why my desktop monitor is still IPS, it's for browsing and the TV is for games and anime.
>>738784753sure, here have with example blacks and greyseven with very good panel lottery and almost invisible banding, the oled "texture" is visible plain as daysame goes for color bleed from panel coating structure, bright colors bleed outside their borders, and colors are too saturated even after dropping it by 20% since monitor color gamut dosnt match the standard SDR of windows OS, and sure as fuck oled manufacturers dosnt seem to care
OLED monitors are shit. just get a TV
I don't have any use for a tv
>>738785234That looks like a moire effect, I don't see a pattern on my laptop's OLED screen.
Just dimm your room and monitor and you get good blacks on any monitor..
>>738783573What are you doing here?
>>738785394You can use it as a monitor
>>738785442nah, its well known in oldes and a side effect of manufacturingscreen "texture" + vertical banding are the bane of monitor sized screensmuch less visible in large tvs
>>738785498I can use a monitor as a monitor
I heard that grey vertical bending go away from using it for over time.It's been more than 6 months and I'm still seeing it when I browse 4chan on Tommorrow style...
>>738785480the oppositein dark you will notice the backlight bleed on ipsbut the moment you turn some light in the room ips blacks become as good as oldes since your pupil will shirk and filter out the dimmer blacks and graysa good ips will look almost as good as oled in bright room, evern better usually, and mini led ips will plain up look better than oled
The vertical banding was the real dealbreaker for me (i fell for the tandem meme, pic related). It was actually fine with bright and colorful games but absolutely ABYSMAL when games had more monochromatic colors, backgrounds and skyboxes. I wanted to tear my eyes out while playing games like CP2077, KCD2, Silent Hill ecc.
>>738783290If you buy an oled in 2026 with cheap mini leds all over the place you are a fucking retard. enjoy your burn in retard.
>>738785561they dont, they will equalize a bit as birghter pixels naturally start dimming at higher rate than the darker onesbut it will always be there
>>738785234I dunno what you bought but it maybe some very agressive matte coating instead of actual fault with the oled screen. I have a glossy 4k QD OLED and grays look perfect. I had 27' 1440p woled before. One of the first oled monitors released and the grays there had banding but it was only really visible on full gray screens. The main problem with that screen was the fugly matte coating
>>738785694meh at lest i know for 100% all oled shill are retardedand i have 2 weeks to send it back and get a 32 inch mini led instead>>738785718hate glossy, have semi mattei work in bright room so its distracting
do not buy an oled to use a daily driver, it's terrible for that purpose.
>>738785629Well it works on my TN. Increasing the monitor brightness causes more of the light bleed through it, how is it not obvious? So to reduce the amount of light needed for a clean picture what you can do instead is to reduce the brigthness of the envrionment.
>>738783290>-windows dosnt support auto HDROk this is a bait thread I'll see myself out as I walk in
>>738785645SameI'm mad at sites like rtings who rate these obviously fucked new tandem OLEDs 9-10s but give other non OLEDs 6-7s
>>738786005>rtings
>rapes OP
Thank you for your sacrifice, I'm going to Just Wait™ until better OLEDs come out.Preferably 4k32"+ 360+Hz.
>>738783290VA won>Good enough black>Good enough color>Doesn't hurt your eyes>Free motion blur
>>738783290anon, hdr is a meme. turn that shit off
>>738784504Does the C5 still have the vignetting that can't be turned off? It annoys me on my 42 C4. Other than that it is great. They aren't that expensive either when you wait for black friday or some other sale. Got mine for 650€
>>738785518I remember taking an photo a while ago, though it was because someone didn't believe me my laptop had no burn-in yet.
>>738783290When's Super Ultimate Nanoscope LED?
>>738784471>HURRRRRRRR OLD BAD NEW GOOD>THIS IS THE YEAR 2026, WHY DON'T YOU USE THE NEWEST® TECHNOLOGY®?
I just don't think you people can be trusted so I'll see for myself.
>>738786256>720p 720HzTotal meme.
>>738786182I like the site, nice detailed reviews and numbersBut they're obviously biased
>>738786584Yeah, you're the exact type of retard I had in mind when writing the post.Even though I said in my post that these LCDs were a straight downgrade from the CRTs that came before, you somehow interpreted it as old=bad, new=good.
I upgraded to a 1080p 144hz ips LG monitor and the fucking corners of the screen are glowing gray blobs whenever the screen is blackare all fucking IPS screens like this???
The industry just has to keep making up new useless stuff to sell to you, don't forget to buy your 8k spaceLED AI powered monitor in 2 years
>>738786347i like HDR in gamesbut yeah, no desktop app made in last 20 year uses or even needs HDR
What exactly is micro RGB LED? At least Samsung describes it as pretty much OLED, without organic part
>>738786731>I like the site, nice detailed reviews and numbersyou have to pay to view
>>738786725>720p
>>738786936If it's using edge backlight it will have light bleed.But what you are seeing is compounded with IPS glow.
>>738786492pure panel lotterypeople complain about lottery with IPS backlights, but OLEDs are even worse hereyou can get a perfect gray panel, and next one will look like 20 vertical ones glued together with visible seperations
>>738787107What do you think dual mode is, retard-kun?
Why does OLED discussion always consist of people posting arguments and pics about why OLEDs suck and then there are replies going "this doesn't happen!", "this is misinformation!".I really don't think there is a dedicated group of people on the internet whose sole purpose in life is to discredit OLEDs by posting fake information.
>>738786731they paywalled the site 2 montsh agoso nobody can view it anyway
>>738786936Current display are different flavors of pick of your poison.But why 1080p? 1440p 180Hz displays are pretty cheap now
Imagine babysitting a monitor
>>738786936problem with edge lit ipsthere are multiple backlight technologies, miniled and dual led ips dosnt have this problemthey made edge lit so the panels could be as thin as possible, but now that oleds are paper thin, they went back to normal backlighting
>>738787231disgusting
im thinking of buying a Samsung S90F. is that a good TV for pc-gayming? I would be using it as a monitor and the pcs main and only display. Is that a good idea or not? It would be my first OLED
>>738783290>bought a monitor>uses it in a well lit roomshould have gotten VA
>>738787105>>738787202Eww, rip
OLED response times are the best. The "I pressed it" excuse isn't viable unless using one with a bad internet connection.
>>738784886>Spider devicesThose are probably the worst ones you can get. >calibrated image leans much more toward warm colorsYou can just change the whitepoint temp if you prefer cooler whites.
bought an lienware 4k 240hz olednever used hdr
>>738787102their spin or mini leds is i guessnot the first to use dual layers for backlights, problem was always power draw, watch it get banned in EU the same 8k tvs were since didnt comply with environmental regulation on power use per citizen
>>738784291>QD>inferiorDidn't even need to finish reading your post to know you were a retard using a TV with poor contrast and pretending it's a better monitor because it's bigger.
>>738784681>too dense ppiLemme guess, you have glasses
>>738783290>-windows dosnt support auto HDR>-no HDR support means you have to keep swapping it on and off by hand resetting your aps and settings each timeWindows 11, HDR always ON, works with SDR and HDR content seamlessly.
>>738787348I mean Samsung actually claims that each pixel is it's own RGB light source.
>>738787405>Windows 11
>>738787291samsung makes decent tvs, i would grab the woled one, some of they panels are qd led, some woled depending on size
>>738787481There's literally nothing wrong with Windows 11.
>>738786936>are all fucking IPS screens like thisAll IPS panels glow if you look at them off axis (less so on-axis but they still glow), but what you're describing is backlight bleed and varies from monitor to monitor.Standard LCDs have a bunch of reflective and diffusive layers behind them and if those are not perfectly flat the backlight won't be uniform. >>738787027Fucking zoomers man. LCD monitors were worse than CRTs for about 15-20 years, they were stagnant in almost every measurable way.The same 1366x768 TN panels on every laptop, horrible contrast, viewing angles, motion clarity, refresh rates etc. The innovation arms race was to cut costs not to improve quality, that's how we got 6-bit panels, eIPS, how they got rid of polarising filters that minimised IPS glow and so on. We're finally seeing some genuine improvements $200-300 screens are better than old high-end monitors and people find a way to complain about it. >>738787151I think you got used to TN/VA/IPS and OLED's problems stand out and get overexposed in comparison. I was a staunch CRT die hard for a long time, I've owned nothing but nice high-end VA and IPS panels and they've all had their drawbacks, so I think people tend to get mad at OLED simply because it's not the second coming of Jesus.
>>738787405shhh anon 4chan fags like to pretend windows 11 bad for some reason
>>738787517damn i want to get the 42 inch version because everything else is way too fucking big for my use case. And I think that one has the lesser version of what you're talking about
>>738787461if its single panel then its basically oled without the oragin part, should lead to less burn in as standard leds last longer and dont shift hues depending on how long the are used
>>738787572good morning
Perfect monitor with no drawbacks when?
>>738787405im staying on 10
>>738787760Never.
>>738786936>I upgraded to a 1080p 144hzkek what is this 2009? poorfag kekaroooo!
OLED is not a meme but HDR certainly is
>>738787814Once you actually try HDR you won't be able to go back.
>>738787814I wish HDR wasn't a meme. It looks very nice when done correctly but devs don't care to change their whole production pipeline for less than 1% of PC users.
>>738787814>>738787865 HDR is great for vidya and movieoutside? pure meme, all content is made for SDRstill, in game its like getting "extra colors for your eyes" DLC, you forgot how dim whites and bright colors are unless you have ips and oled side by side, then you go "oh, now i get it"
>>738787940Let this meme die, every new release with HDR support had good HDR implementation.
>>738787865>Once you actually try HDRi have tried it both on PC and on my PS5 and it barely makes a noticable difference and in some ways looks worse than sdr it depends on the devs implementing it well
>>738787982Not a problem on Windows 11, it can display SDR and HDR content side by side and do tone mapping/color management on the fly.
>>738787394nta but should I have different considerations when buying a TV if I wear glasses compared to a person without them?
>>738788009And how many of those were there?I don't play a lot of AAA garbage.I might try it in Death Stranding 2.But nearly in every game I tried it looked nearly the same or worse than SDR.I've seen far better result when I watched HDR blu-ray rips.
>None of this on my LG 49 inch 5k2k Stop buying shitty OLEDs, specifically QD-OLEDs.
>>738788270>it looked nearly the same or worse than SDRlet me guess, you didn't install a color profile for your monitor?
>>738787760When microled monitors become viable. So never.
>>738788270playing Hell is US now, good HDRalso good game, looks like souls slop, but its not, its horro/adventure puzzle game with weird combat and a lot of thinking requiredinteresting story and setting too
>>738787982>HDR is great for vidya and movie>outside? pure meme, all content is made for SDRWhy would I care about extra colors in content other than vidya and movies lmao what a retarded argument
>>738788219It's about the PPI. If it's too high you'll be scaling things up so you can actually read things. 11pt fonts in 4k at 27" are readable by anyone with good vision, but the rest will find it hard to read anything without increasing the font size (Windows will usually turn on scaling on 4k by default because of this).4k @ 32" should be fine for everyone though.
>>738788357>49 inchok fuck off with your tvsome of use do actual work
>>738788430yeah, im sure they gonna gate the tech for most expensive panelsnobody is releasy a perfect one, when they can sell you a new oled every 3 years
https://www.displayninja.com/mini-led-monitor-list/When it comes to Mini LED IPS, what's better for Peak Brightness and Local Dimming Zones? I'm looking into buying a second 1440p 27" monitor, so I'm looking through the available options in my country's Amazon. To add, /g/'s PC Building General seems to recommend the KTC M27T6S.
>>738788651Mine has 1000 dimming zones and 1600 peak brightnessWould not recommend an IPS though, the blooming will be very noticeable
>>738788579nta but what does it matter? modern tvs especially those that are oled know people might use them as a monitor what do monitors have that high priced OLED TVs don't? Besides display port
>>738788651ips needs much less peak brightness since it can blast all 1000 nits from entire screen at onceso 1000 dimmizing zones + 1000+ nits is what you should look foroften software side of how dimming is handled is more important than number of zones
>>738788558Interesting, thank you.
>>738788773they are too big32 inch you alredy need to sit a meter away from it, if you have two like me? i have a 120x200 wide desk and it still feels crampedno idea where the fuck you gonna put the 50 inch one
>>738784106Show them anything other than static wallpapers
The best combo is an IPS monitor for normal usage and an OLED tv for HDR gayming and movies
>>738789095Watching movies is more fun in VR.
>>738789192its really not, got a headset and its annoying to have it on yoru head
>>738789959Weak neck muscles
>>738783290>qd-oled means everything is pinkThis hasn't been true for years
>>738787525shitty laggy UI
>>738790076im build like a gorilla and still its not comfortable at all
>>738789192Strapping a screen to your head is a stupid idea even on a conceptual level.
>>738788736I already have an IPS, specifically the Acer Nitro XV271U and to be honest, the backlight bleed is only noticeable if I'm playing in a dark room. During the day is virtually unnoticeable.>>738788807So pretty much 1000 + 1000 is the average. Thank you, I'm already seeing a couple of options available, like that KTC and also the Acer XV275U.
>>738783290I switched to windows 11 just because the hdr works better lol
>>738789095yeah I've been doing this for years now and it's been a blast.I just wish my controllers stopped breaking all the time. It's funny how people freak out about Oled but a 90 buck controller breaking every 8 months is no big deal.
>>738788357Always funny seeing retards but TVs with shit contrast and low refresh rates while trying to pretend their WOLED TV looks good because they insist everyone is a retard who can't figure out how to use curtains.
>>738783290you forgot dark levelsit's literally pitch dark and increasing gamma only helps so much, during gaming sessions a catastrophy
>>738793063ive never had controllers break or get stick drift , lottery
>>738784601Yeah well we still have to deal with fucking atrocious motion blur. I got a CRT TV recently and the image clarity of moving objects is perfect, I forgot how good we used to have it. To make things even worse, the few motion blur solutions that exist for flat panel displays don't work on OLED because they cause burn-in. We fucking need CRTs back, or somebody needs to invent something better than OLED immediately. It's unacceptable.
>>738783290works on my machinenever had any issues with HDR on my LGC2. its okay to admit you are poor OP.
>>738784186Wtf lmao. Oled screens on phones are greatNever going to get jewed by oled monitors then. thanks anon you saved me money
Should I wait for the pulsars or buy an ASUS ProArt IPS? I don't care about 5000 Hz, but improved motion clarity at 60-144 Hz would be welcome
>>738795858>We fucking need CRTs back, or somebody needs to invent something better than OLED immediately. It's unacceptable.Companies are too busy shoving AI, ads and surveillance into their huge ass TVs to worry about measly features such as image clarity, improving motion blur or response time.
>>738785234>he boughted matte coating monitor
>>738784809console is the worst way to play hdr games since native hdr implementations are busted most of the time and you can't mod in hdr in games that don't support it (most of them)renodx supremacy
Only real giggers know bout this setting...
>>738786936Yes IPS was always overrated trash.I'd rather use TN than look at screen glow all day.
>>738796156>Oled screens on phones are great>Never going to get jewed by oled monitors thenWhat?
>>738783290>not a single true statementyou do not own an OLED monitor. Literally the only thing not optimal is the peak brightness for HDR highlights, but almost no game even uses HDR properly.
>>738787325>You can just change the whitepoint temp if you prefer cooler whites.If you change things however you like, then that's not calibration.The idea behind calibration is to make the images on your monitor look exactly like the printed images you hold in your hands, in the same room where your computer is set up. This is particularly important if you work with printed materials or photography.Once your monitor and a photo in your hands look basically the same, you can trust your monitor from there on. However, if you change the light bulbs in your office, for example, the image in your hands will now look different because of the new lighting, but your monitor won't. So you calibrate it again.Note that there is no official calibration standard. A monitor properly calibrated in one room may look off in the next room.Virtually any device on the market will work well for calibration for digital artists, photographers, etc., even the cheapest ones, because the principle isn't really that complex. There are tests with spider devices showing that they work well enough.You'll probably need much more expensive and sophisticated instruments if you're working in a scientific lab or something like that, though...
>>738783557>windows has basically 0 HDR supportworks fine here. Maybe you're retarded
>>738795858>We fucking need CRTs backFuck outta here with that. CRT displays are ugly. They are heavy. An you honestly need to install an air conditioner in the room with the CRT because CRTs throw off an absolutely insane amount of heat.
>>738785234My VA monitor has more contrast and better blacks than this. is this QD oled?man.. I was jokingly calling them fake Oleds but maybe it's more true than I expected.
>>738796585oled panels are worth the investment given the nature of the device (phone)not so much for pc monitors
>>738783557>trying to use hdr on windows 10kek you a dumbass
>hdr comes out in 2015>op tries to use an outdated operating system for HDR>makes thread and bitches about Oled due to his tech illiteracymy fucking god OP i genuinely hope you're some underaged 17 year old because you are a fucking moron.
>>738784636>300 nits full screen brightness on average is really fucking goodIt's okay, not really good. 400 to 450 nits is ideal. Higher might be too bright for sitting directly in front of. 300 nits is a little on the dim side. I would rather have the option to lower the brightness to a level that pleases me than not be able to make things brighter without washing everything out.
>>738797034You literally can (and should depending on your needs) switch around the reference whitepoint and gamma when calibrating. And yes, standards do exist for both white points (i.e. D65 is an industry standard) and colour spaces (sRGB, Rec. 709).As for spyders, they're just trash. Their software is garbage, their build quality is shit and because you can't update the built-in corrections they're basically e-waste as new display tech comes out.
>>738783416This dumb nigger be reading like this
>he fell for the OLED memeThanks for funding MicroLED research, sucker
>>738799884For a seemingly revolutionary tech, there's very little hype about this. Why?
>>738783290hdr is a memeoled is a memecrt is a memetyler kendall's kundalini yoni gave my lingam ligmayour welcome
>>738784471>another fake nostalgia fart huffing faggot who got memed into thinking CRTs were superior in every way to LCDs
>>7388008781080p is a meme60hz is a memeall we need is 720/24fps, the perfect cinematic 7th gen experience.
>>738800864No reason to look at future tech when you got something as good as oled.maybe when it burns in in 10 years.
>>738801257>another retarded zoomer that thinks he has an informed opinion on technology he was too young to useMy Mitsubishi 2070SB did 2048x1536 at 85Hz 20 years ago retard.
>>738801470Some of us use monitors for 16 hours a day or more, very often with on a static content. OLED is just not good in this scenario
>>738787531>>738801583we get it, you doomscrolled crt fake nostalgia tiktoks for 10 hours yesterday
>>738801679>I'm 17 so everyone else here must be 17 too
>>738801769looks like shit and you're a naive fool who gets brainwashed by tiktoks (lmao)
>>738783290>Just got an OLEDtake a photo and post it, faggot
>>738783290You didn't as you are clearly poor
>>738801853No more you's until you from a coherent thought, zoomie.I kind of pity you because you have no idea how good my generation had it, you grew up with blurry LCDs with horrible input lag and 60Hz refresh rates.
>>738783557>Using HDR
>>738783785>Pajeeto thinks you use OLED for HDRI can't anymore
>>738784186So not only did you buy the cheapest monitor you could find, you also didn't configure it
>>738802034>my fake nostalgia niggerbabble is coherent
>>738784054Why do you believe and obviously retarded brown fuck that bought the cheapest oled he could find and doesn't know how to set it up (not that it's hard)
>>738802034CRTs were fucking dogshit
>>738802383Wrong
>>738802092>not using HDR
>>738802383Gave up my CRT when I couldnt read Dead Rising big mistake (didnt even end up liking the game).https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2006/09/5264/
>>738784471I feel it doesn't matter much for games since devs still add anti-soul gas into everything. Looks great for movies though.
>>738802383If your only experience is a crappy CRT then yes, the bar can be low, but if you had a good CRT the move to LCD felt like a downgrade. The only upside was the physical dimensions and perfect geometry. Everything else was worse - viewing angles, contrast, motion clarity, input lag etc.As I got a job and had the money for it I bought the Mitsubishi and a TV that ran at 100Hz and didn't flicker. If you didn't live through it you can't appreciate how bad the early versions of the new display technologies like rear projection, plasma and LCD were. And on PC the most popular option was 5:4 TN monitors with response times so bad it made scrolling text look like smeared ink.
>>738784471They're also retarded and don't realize you have can have a separate monitor for text than you do for games+videos because they're poor
>>738784272Depends on the monitor, Asus/ROG ones are every 6 hours.
>>738783290replaced my previous ips ultrawide with this one. ultrawide freesync 175hz qdoled curved and I love it. better in every way especially the colors/blacks. one of the few ones without active fans inside the monitor, now thats a major problem and I am surprised you dont mention it.
>>738783290retard. windows 11 does have auto hdr
>>738783290picrel is the biggest issue imo
>>738783290works on my Scamsung G60SDimagine being poor
>>738783557I thought the whole point of hdr was to make up for the fact other panel technologies didn't have perfect contrast. OLED has perfect contrast, why the fuck do you want to use hdr on top of it?
>>738783290I miss CRTs.
>>738807221/thread
>>738807221You miss your children, CRTs are shit.
>>738808904*childhood
>>738804452>175hzso retarded, just 5 hz off from a refresh rate that make sense. I hope for you that you can OC it to 180.
>>738783557>on it only to now learn windows has basically 0 HDR support>so i have to keep switching by hand which after just 1 day makes me so angry im thinking of sending it backwhat the fuck are you talking about?Just turn on HDR setting and keep it on.
>>738785645why did you buy it then retard?>but the shills shilled meTHEN WHY DID YOU LISTEN TO SHILLS?!>>738786005Been telling you retards for years, never pay attention to what reviwer kike shill tell you about a monitor or anything.Look up HARD data, FACTS, numbers of tested parameters.I've seen rtingniggers say shit has no dark smearing when their data clearly shows dark smearing.I bet they do similar shit for a lot of downsides.IGNORE all text by reviwers, focus on data tested. If it shows that pixel transitions don't make the refresh in time, then they dont and it smears. End of story.Same thing with Tandem oleds from monitors unboxed, rtings and every other kike source.They say "ohhh it's not even noticable"look up some actual screenshots of the shit, it's extremely noticable and there is a LOT of people posting it, meaning I will be extremely lucky if I manage to avoid that shit.Conclusion, didn't buy it.NPC all of you.
>>738787105>>738787202AHAHAHAHAHAHA THEY WENT FULL KIKE!
>>738786004>Ok this is a bait thread I'll see myself out as I walk inalright, what is the solution to OP's problem? genuinely asking since HDR implementation is still shit on windows. my poorfag android phone does it better
>>738787190>I really don't think there is a dedicated group of people on the internet whose sole purpose in life is to discredit OLEDs by posting fake information.VA panels do not dark smear saar, buy new VA monitor, smearing is fixed now! Saar for real this time! Do not listen to lies about dark smearing saar!
>>738787405>Windows 11, HDR always ON, works with SDR and HDR content seamlessly.yeah, no.t. "upgraded" to windows 11 for HDR and the implementation is still dogshit
>>738783290How is MiniLED for HDR? it doesn't ssems to have these issues, besides weakier blacks.
>>738787151Thats not burn in mongolitron, that is not adjusting the monitor properly for banding
>>738787190I am not poor, so I have an OLED, I don't have to convince anyone, just call you a lying fuck
>flickers in you're pathwhat now OLEDfags?
>>738811789Left looks so much better lol
>>738787531I think people are pissed about OLED because after all this time we can only half-assedly somewhat solve problems that CRTs never even had and it costs us like $500 to do so. It just isn't good enough for the price we have to pay. OLED alone is just not good enough to be that expensive.
>Enter the "I am fucking poor" daily OLED thread>It's another "I am fucking poor, boughted the worst monitor I could find, and set it up wrong, it looks bad" episode
>>738811702Mini-LED has its own bunch of issues. The limited amount of zones makes it impossible to highlight smaller objects well so you either live with massive halos or go the other direction and have you monitor not highlight small objects.Also mini-LEDs are useless for non-HDR because local dimming destroys colors in SDR so even the companies making them tell you to use them like normal IPS for non-HDR content.
>>738811939CRTards are actually delusional about them not looking like fucking smeared shit or is it just some kind of plot to sell their parents old TV?
>>738811657The implementation is perfect.
>>738811789You know flicker is from VRR right?
The following are memes and you are a retard for falling for it:OLEDUltra wideCurvedHDRRay TracingPlaying above 1080pPlaying above 60hzMore than 2.1 or 3.1 audioDolby AtmosDolby Vision
>>738812209the poorfag cope
>>738812049>CRTards are actually delusional about them not looking like fucking smeared shitI can't tell if you are trolling or you have just never used a proper CRT monitor. There's literally no fucking smearing on CRTs. The clarity and motion smoothness is completely unrivaled and still to this day has sadly not been replicated.
>>738812209How fucking poor are you lmao
>>738812278That is very cool anon, they still look like fucking shitThanks for responding, now I know you are actually delusional
>>738812252>>7388123074k 120" laser projector owner that can do Dolby Vision/HDR10+ 360hz. No, you guys are retards for falling for this shit for VIDEO GAMES.
>>738812069far from itHDR can look great if calibrated properly but the way windows handles HDR content is still dogshit even after decades of HDR monitors existing>alt+tab from HDR to SDR>takes a solid 2 seconds>desktop brightness is still shit>almost always the auto HDr switch doesn't work>SDR content is displayed with an HDR gamut, making it look washed outthis was the case close to a year ago with the latest win11 build at the time. what a shitshow
>>738812369>they still look like fucking shitIn what way? Provide an actual argument with a real description instead of just claiming vague shit.
>>738812209HDR is not a meme, it's really nice but is troublesome to setup depending on game.
>android phones have solved the SDR/HDR content switch>windows still shits the bedexplain this shit to me. Why would I waste a thousand euros on a god-tier OLED if Winblows won't even work properly in SDR?
>>738812427>SDR content is displayed with an HDR gamut, making it look washed outInstall a color profile for your display. It's not washed out, it's sRGB 100%, the accurate colors.Win 11 implementation is as good as it can be. It's always the user who doesn't know how to set it up.
>>738812589>It's always the user who doesn't know how to set it up.that shit sounds like linux users defending their OS shitting itself and being bad.
>>738812447It is a meme BECAUSE of how inept it is to set up and the fact that we still don't even have a standard. Did you know they're getting ready to release Dolby Vision 2?>Had to add HGIG because of games>Sometimes movies/content have to be set to HDR/HDRPQ/HLG because it isn't displaying properlyAlso HDR is just for highlights and shadow contrast. They keep saying it's for color improvement but that's a fucking lie.
>>738812589>Win 11 implementation is as good as it can be. It's always the user who doesn't know how to set it up.yeah sure anon. two weeks of different color profiles, windows settings, HDR calibration, and general tests were not good enough to get the most out of a 700€ OLED. SDR sRGB content still looked weaker than on an 6 year old IPS, especially because of the brightness.
>>738812637Then set it up properly, if you're seeing different colors when you enable SDR and HDR then you didn't even bother to install a color profile for your monitor.
>>738783290Perfect blacks on plasma :|Perfect blacks on OLED but it costs ten times as much :O
>>738812392Yes we already told you you are poor
>>738812759Not the guy you are arguing with, but because of how there's no real standard for how both Widows and developers handle HDR, it can be so fucking different from game to game that there's never going to be a "properly" set up.We desperately need some sort of standard for HDR when it comes to video games.
>>738783557>so i have to keep switching by handdo you mean having to Windows Key + Alt + B before playing game? that's what I do.And yeah. not all game support HDR well the HDR is not consistent.
>>738812753HDR should not affect colors when it's set up properly.Your HDR monitor can show very bright and very colorful colors (wide gamut)When HDR is OFF: Windows ignores that and stretches regular colors to make them look extra vibrant, but it's actually too saturated, not accurate.When you turn HDR ON: Windows clamps (restricts) normal desktop/games back to the proper, narrower color range they were made for.
>>738783416Text looks like that on psvr2, which uses OLED. Really shitty, I wish there were more mini-LED monitors available where I live.
>>738812653>It is a meme BECAUSE of how inept it is to set up and the fact that we still don't even have a standard. Did you know they're getting ready to release Dolby Vision 2?HDR is not a meme because it's amazing when it works right.I use Renodx or liumis HDR and custom dune it for pretty much any game I play.Outerwilds is amazing in HDR.If it's movies or anime or anything, I Have two video players, HMC setup for HDR content, that makes it auto HDR with nvidia RTXHDR. And another video player if I don't want to autoHDR my video.Do I have to put in some effort to set things up? Yes.Does it makes game look amazing, very much so.I'd say oled by itself is utterly worthless.But HDR on the other hand is noticeable and a big boost.>Also HDR is just for highlights and shadow contrast. They keep saying it's for color improvement but that's a fucking lie.Depends, in my games, I can expand the color gamut, and get more colors that originally werent there.In some games it makes it look dumb and over saturated, in others the new colors really work with the visual aesthetics.I quite enjoy having the freedom to tune the visual experience to what I think as well.Highlights, shadows, color richness and so on. I have gotten decently good at tuning them for any game I pick up. It's interesting tuning the visual experience to my idea.Though I do enjoy when a game has native HDR and it's good and I can just install it and play without having to tinker.Returnal for instance has good HDR.>>738812759>Then set it up properly,You aren't shaking my allegations about sounding like a linuxshills that say everything is the users fault always.Also color profile only makes a difference in SDR. In HDR it goes out the window.
>>738812863>We desperately need some sort of standard for HDR when it comes to video games.not even that but not even Windows has a standard HDR testing methodology, and the technology has existed for close to 10 years. Every single youtube faggot shills for OLEDs with HDR but what they fail to mentiin is that the SDR content on said OLEDs looks like dogshit compared to an IPS.
>>738812931>HDR should not affect colors when it's set up properly.not him.I have the same problem.It's kind of hit or miss with games.But it could be my monitro benq ex2780q
>>738813049>Also color profile only makes a difference in SDR. In HDR it goes out the window.You have to install it as an HDR profile. Like I said, user error.
You know what is annoying with HDR?You can't take secern shots that will look good in SDR
>>738813049Not the anon you are arguing with but from what I understand, you aren't viewing SDR content? So either you only use apps with native HDR implementation or AutoHDR options with RTXHDR?what do you do if like 90% of the things you'd look at are in SDR?
>>738813240AMD has Radeon Image Sharpening 2 in drivers on RDNA4, which looks great, but it's also applied directly on output picture, which makes it impossible to capture with software and you need to capture it with external capture card.So it's very hard to shill it, unless you're turbo autist. I'm just a moderate autist, not dedicated enough to get capture card.
>>738813212As I remember linux lacks this functionality and I also don't remember this functionality on win10.If it's win11 exclusive, well, too bad, I'm not using that absolute SHIT.>>738813240don't people have ways to look at HDR content and get it tonemapped into SDR?I've seen some people post HDR webms here that get mapped to SDR just fine if they are on my pc.>>738813241>Not the anon you are arguing with but from what I understand, you aren't viewing SDR content?Depends? If the game is SDR, and I decided to play it on my HDR monitor I will convert it to HDR. So technically the game is SDR, but I am viewing HDR.Same thing with movies or anime.I can take a SDR anime and have it autoHDR through RTCHDR and I am viewing HDR content.>what do you do if like 90% of the things you'd look at are in SDR?Uhhhh? Frankly as I Said, I convert the SDR content to HDR and view it on my HDR monitor.If the game has shitloads of UI elements(yes OLED) that are static the entire game, and/or it has so little highlights that there is very little to gain by making said game into HDR, then I just use my shitty SDR monitor for that content.But yeah, pretty much 90% of content I view in HDR. Looks great.Frankly it's the only real upgrade I've seen in the past 20 years in terms of visuals.I really enjoy HDR. It's like I'm a kid thats seeing amazing new graphics in new videogames that wow me(remember when those happened, hasn't happened for a long time now).
>>738813049>I'd say oled by itself is utterly worthless.Then you are a complete retard and your comment can be completely ignored
>>738813826Wow that sucks! All you have to do in Windows 11 is run a calibration App, then lower the SDR brightness slider to around 15-25%, and HDR works flawlessly everywhere, side by side with SDR content.
>>738814119>Then you are a complete retard and your comment can be completely ignoredwhy do you deny reality this hard? People who own oled say this, and you go into full denial. Why.>Wow that sucks! All you have to do in Windows 11 is run a calibration App, then lower the SDR brightness slider to around 15-25%, and HDR works flawlessly everywhere, side by side with SDR content.eh, I preffer having control over the paramaters than a single all covering setting. I understand the convenience though.
>>738813240There's a way surely but I have no idea how to do it.
>>738783557>>738783290HDR works fine for me in Windows and I have a chinkshit OLED. Desktop HDR works out the box, auto HDR works fine, RTX HDR, native HDR in games, renodx, Special K. There's problems here and there where certain methods won't work with certain games or certain games will require my monitor to be in a different tonemapping mode to work properly but I honestly have no clue what you're doing wrong if enabling HDR in Windows just doesn't work.
>>738783557skill issue
>>738812447How to properly set it on windows? I played Sony games on PS4 and they all look better in HDR, now I have 10 times better PC and somehow HDR looks worse and washed out on my tv. I don't get it.
>>738783290My QD-OLED is great and I can't go back to normal screens for gaming.If you are a low IQ monkey who have spent all your life savings on your oled and are now upset trying to justify it, do yourself a favor and return it.
>>738812209>Ultra wide>CurvedYes, it's meme.For the rest lol
>>738814983I would buy OLED if not burn-ins. Having windows and a browser bar for 10hr per day, like me, will destroy it.
>>738783290I have a QD-OLED. Alienware 27" 1440p 280hz. Only had it 6 months but it still looks great.
>>738812818Stay mad you fell for it.>>738813049>Depends, in my games, I can expand the color gamut, and get more colors that originally werent there.>In some games it makes it look dumb and over saturated, in others the new colors really work with the visual aesthetics.Yeah but that's not HDR, that's the capacity of the gamut of your display. Its just not adjusting saturation globally, just per source. My 4k projector has rec709, DCI P3, BT2020, Adobe, and Native that can be switched off and on at the press of the button WITHOUT HDR being on.The fact that you need third party software to get it to look good is just proof that it's not there yet aka it's shit. It's like saying Skyrim is an amazing game.... But you need 20GB of mods to fix it. That means it's NOT an amazing game and you're just applying slop mods to gaslight yourself.
>>738813240I've seen people in /tv/ post webms that are sepia tone/grey trying to convince people that the movie looks good because they don't know HDR color didn't transfer. Lol.
>>738813240If I screenshot with mpv they turn out fine. My issue is finding an easy way to make webms that are tonemapped properly to SDR.
>>738814908dunno, there is lots of specifics. What I Can tell you is that it certainly shouldn't look washed out.Double check both your TV settings which has bunch of HDR settings.and your windows and game settings.>>738814983stop being a ultra kikeniggermonkey both shilling a product and acting like you are better than somebody else for consuming. Genuinely kill yourself -5000 izzat.>>738815131>I would buy OLED if not burn-ins. They all burn in, it's inherit part of the technology.You can baby it by using a normal LCD for lot of things and using the oled only for dynamic HDR content for example, but it's still added hassle to reduce the speed at which shit burns in.>>738815190>Yeah but that's not HDR,> that's the capacity of the gamut of your display.Anon, nothing takes advantage of that capacity of the display except HDR content, because those extra colors from from shit being displayed at higher brightness.> Its just not adjusting saturation globally, just per source. My 4k projector has rec709, DCI P3, BT2020, Adobe, and Native that can be switched off and on at the press of the button WITHOUT HDR being on.you can switch it on, but so far as I see and understand, those colors only come alive when you have added brightness/darkness to display them. The color of "yellow" will look different depending on how bright it's being displayed at. for example.>The fact that you need third party software to get it to look goodI need it to get HDR on any game I want that has been released.>just proof that it's not there yet aka it's shit.it's proof it's not standerized yet. It isn't going to stop me adjusting some settings and getting an amazing HDR experience that wows me. If you are 100% bottlenecked until corpos decide to make it retard proof for you to use, then I only feel pitty for you. Though again I understand the value of convenience. But that shouldn't stop enthusiasts.
>>738807129no, hdr is just a higher bit color depth under a really poorly defined standardoled is not any better in regards to color depth over other panel technologies, we're still bandwidth/standards limited before we're panel tech limited, they can only calibrate to the same points and everything else is inaccurate
>>738812427>>738812582All these look like complete ass, what is wrong with your monitors? This game is supposed to be way darker, it's not fucking Fortnite.
>>738815190>It's like saying Skyrim is an amazing game.... But you need 20GB of mods to fix it. That means it's NOT an amazing game and you're just applying slop mods to gaslight yourself.Anon, the games weren't made with HDR in mind.Taking good games that were made in SDR, then using free programs that are like 10mb in size to convert the SDR to HDR and then fiddling with sliders to get the exact visuals you personally find perfect, is not the same as downloading mods for a game.And you can do this with every game. We aren't talking about a single game. IF all games could be made with a 10mb mod and some fiddling, damn right I would do it.
>>738783290>>738783416All valid, I won't buy OLED until they fix all of these
hdr is a meme. anyone who creates pictures for a living knows that you need to know the dynamic range of your output medium in advance and create your pictures against that output medium. there's no automatic way to decide how to map your scene space to a display space because of how our visual cognition works: we don't see the world like a camera where we read out a bunch of RGB photon counts and then visualize them, but we rather perceive things relative to their local surroundings. the colors and shades we perceive in complex images very rarely tightly correlate to their actual RGB values; they are shaped by all kinds of complicated local interplay (these are usually dismissively called "visual illusions" but they really aren't edge cases, it's just how our perception works generally at a fundamental level).hence, a generic input -> output global (e.g. sigmoid) tone mapping curve where you simply change the dynamic range of the output space can never ensure that all of this complicated local interplay that you want to present visually is actually preserved in the output medium.there's no better way to ensure that a picture looks like you want it to look than taking your output medium and eyeballing how you need to adjust the picture you want to create against the output until it looks right. photographers often do this by adjusting the tone curve itself, cinematographers hire colorists and CGI artists fine-tune the scene against a specific tone curve until everything looks as it should. when we change the output medium (e.g. for a photographer when they print their images, or for a movie in its non-theater release or different theater releases) we re-do this eyeballing process against the new medium until it looks right again.1/2 of autistic rant
retarded, don't bother.
>>738816223with sdr displays we had it pretty good: short of viewing conditions and a few other minor variables, we at least had one fairly consistent standard of output medium, and so in the digital world we only had to create our pictures once and would have reasonable confidence that they'd look as we want them to look on viewer screens. now, with hdr displays (and in fact things like "wide gamut" displays as well), there's a myriad of different dynamic ranges that we need to design our art for. in practice, nobody does this; we just apply a generic tone curve and call it a day, and the result is that the pictures often look like shit when viewed on screens that they were not intended to be viewed on. sdr media looking like shit on hdr screens, hdr media looking like shit on sdr screens, media for hdr screen 1 looking like shit on hdr screen 2, sometimes even media for hdr screen 1 looking like shit on hdr screen 1 because many of the people who buy into hdr image creation don't really have a good grasp on what makes a good picture or how our visual cognition works (e.g. being obsessed with "detail" in highlights and shadows when in fact the lack thereof is often a very powerful mechanic for designing visually appealing images).and for what? just so that our monitors can represent a larger dynamic range, something that our visual cognition quickly disregards anyways because it performs something akin to local tonemapping to adjust for the exposure it is confronted with. you typically only really notice the difference much in side-by-side comparisons when your cognition can't adjust to the new level of exposure it is confronted with (e.g.: blacks and whites may look dull on an sdr screen when compared to an hdr screen, but this really doesn't matter once you look at your sdr screen for a while because "black" and "white" are always perceived relative to their local surroundings. same goes for photographic prints compared to an sdr screen, for example).2/2
>>738816223>hdr is a meme.Real world experiments with my eyes prove otherwise, the rest of your post is irrelevant.
>>738816338louder music sounds better too, no?
>>738816956Pretty ironic when the loudness war in music results in a narrower dynamic range
>>738816328>>738816223Ok actually you're not retarded, very interesting.but calling hdr a meme just because of these issues is still a bit much. even if yes the implementation has been very poor.There's no real artistic intent on brightness levels, be real, especially not for videogames where devs don't bat an eye over killing all contrast with anti soul gas.SDR isn’t immune to tone mapping it’s just baked into the display curve (BT.1886), often inconsistently applied too.HDR is essential for unlocking the full potential of modern displays, especially FALD and Mini-LEDs they need HDR metadata to drive local dimming, delivering deeper blacks and better contrast. that's an huge improvement no matter how you slice it.Plus, highlight detail and wider color gamuts are consistently more impactful in HDR. When mastered well, the improvement in realism and immersion is undeniable. I notice it every time. Get renoDX and customise the value to get a better picture, it's better than SDR everytime.
>>738817174"loud" as in you cranking your amp (this is your "display" space), not "loud" as in the base-line of the source material being loud (this is your "scene" space).perception of sound is arguably much simpler than visual perception (the local interplay isn't as complicated so fortunately simply "increasing the volume" doesn't break our perception of the source material as easily), but a similar principle applies as for visual perception: when you listen to a song at a volume loud enough that you can make out all of the interesting elements of the sound as intended by the author and then increase the volume, the version with the increased volume generally sounds a bit better to us in direct comparison. but our perception of the sound quickly adjusts to the new level of volume, and when listened to in isolation for a longer time, it really doesn't make a difference to us whether we listen to it at the lower or the higher volume; the only thing that matters is the local coherence of the sound and whether it is maintained at the volume we are listening to it.
>>738783290wake me up when OLED has VRR strobing
>>738812209>Playing above 1080p1440p is kind of a meme, it doesn't look THAT much better but it's a nice bump in quality if your PC can handle it. 4K definitely does look a lot better but not worth chasing atm.>Playing above 60hzAbsolutely not a meme, even 60hz -> 75hz is a noticeable improvement to me. Playing above 120hz/144hz is the real meme.>More than 2.1 or 3.1 audioOnly a meme if you don't play any games that support surround sound. Can be expensive to set up but it's a lot less bad if you can get a good used deal/thrift store find. As usual care must be taken to avoid dogshit speakers but that's the case for stereo as well.Agree with the rest.
>>738817554>There's no real artistic intent on brightness levels, be real, especially not for videogames where devs don't bat an eye over killing all contrast with anti soul gas.you'd be surprised at just how much time CGI artists both in the film and the game industry invest to fix their visuals and things still ending up looking like absolute shit in the end. not being able to design against a specific output medium just makes things even worse and the current reality of the field is that many people are starting to give up on actually trusting their eyes to tell whether something looks like shit or not and instead fleeing themselves into fundamentally broken attempts of objectivity that miss the point of picture creation (e.g. "look, my game has blur, that's what cameras do too in reality!" [games] or "i am using ACES for tone mapping and this means that my pictures are properly saturated!" [film industry / netflix] or "look, my picture doesn't crush any of the highlights or shadows and the midtones have so much contrast!" [photography, especially iphones] or "wow, these reflections are so accurate because we use raytracing!" [games again]). hdr and friends unfortunately only make things worse on this front for little benefit. the tech is marginally better once we account for the fact that our perception just gets used to it but the pictures we design against it can only get significantly worse because it becomes impossible to create them properly.1/2
>>738817554>>738819210>SDR isn’t immune to tone mapping it’s just baked into the display curve (BT.1886), often inconsistently applied too.sure, tone mapping is a fundamental process of image creation regardless (it's not baked into the display curve! gamma is a simple *compression* function that retains less details in highlights, not a tone mapping mechanism. we encode pictures with gamma into a compressed digital format so that the monitor can then decode it with gamma and emit a linear RGB response that our eyes pick up. we could remove gamma from the equation entirely and we'd just end up with larger amounts of data to be transmitted to the monitor and the same visual response). the point is that it's much easier to tone map in such a way that your picture looks right against one display (sdr) than many.>delivering deeper blacks and better contrast. that's an huge improvement no matter how you slice it.it's an improvement, but i'm not convinced that it's a huge one because your eyes just adjust to it pretty quickly. the main thing where you notice it is direct comparisons. many film prints were absolutely beautiful too, long before digital displays came around, and those have even less dynamic range! they only start looking bland when you compare them side-by-side to digital imagery.2/2
>>738819210>the pictures we design against it can only get significantly worse because it becomes impossible to create them properly.THIS, holy shit thank you autistanon, you put to words what I've been thinking and nooticing for years. This right here is the reason HDR, ray tracing, fram gen, etc. is a meme. All this type of fragmentary tech does is guarantee that nothing designed with it in mind will ever be reproduced correctly, and that can't be reconciled in any way that matters.
>>738819725You could say the same thing about any visual setting. The only intended way to play a game is on consoles with the graphics setting that the devs set.
>>738819210>>738819308you're right, this is actually why even devs who try to implement hdr correctly end up having something going wrong in the final build, happens even to the few devs who actually cares.
>>738813182that's an ips monitor, it can't do hdr properly
once you go oled. you really cant go back. kinda like going from 60hz to 120hz.
>>738813049I agree with you. oled sdr itself is good since you no longer get shit that plagues older panels like smear/glow/backlight bleed and you get perfect blacks/contrast ratio but hdr has been the biggest visual image quality upgrade to me in the past 20 years.every time I boot up a hdr game on my lg c1 I'm impressed. it gives the picture another level of depth and the darkness next to brightness is fantastic. I use renodx for the majority of games and rtx hdr with mpc-hc for video files.
>>738821210I also forgot the biggest pro to me. hdr costs 0 performance. zero for a way bigger image quality gain than raytracing and can also be implemented into nearly any game on pc.
>>738820156original OP here:just to be clear, i generally don't mind if i ship a piece of visual media to a consumer, tell them that this is the way that it is intended to be consumed and they then decide to change it because it isn't to their liking (e.g. because the performance is too bad on their machine, they think one of the visual effects sucks, it's too dark, etc.).what i do mind is if i need to ship a piece of visual media to consumers, and i literally can't ship it the way it is intended to a significant majority of them because everyone has wildly different displays that significantly differ in terms of how they reproduce the media.(i do however still think that technologies like raytracing or framegen are frequently misused: raytracing because while it is occasionally useful as a tool, physically accurate lighting is often not the most optimal lighting to represent a specific scene, and framegen because it is often just slapped onto a fully designed product at the end without redoing the eyeballing process, which then tends to produce broken pictures that were never intended to be viewed in this way)
>>738784636>Reminder that SDR standard is 100 nitsThis is objectively false. There is no standard brightness for SDR, It's "whatever the user is comfortable with"And the standard for HDR is technically 100 nits, but even the ITU realized how gay that was and suggested 203 nits. But even then, pretty much every single phone manufacturer, plus Microsoft and Linux (and maybe even Mac too idk) recognizes that absolute nit values is gay faggot shit and implements HDR in a relativistic manner, which scales with a user-set SDR white.I personally master content at 230 nits of SDR white and 1150 nits of peak HDR brightness.
>>738783290Bait used to be believable. You can't just tell all lies. You gotta throw in some truth to get people to really bite anon. You'll learn one day.
mine arrives today, whats the first VIDEO GAME I should play on my new 4K QD-OLED 240Hz FreeSync Premium Pro Gaming Monitor™
>>738783290I am convinced that the same people who rave about OLED screens are the ones who rave about CRT for old games.I just play on a 85 inch miniLED TV with a high refresh rate and everything looks great.
I agree, unless you get the latest models the improvement is not that big. And god forbid you have a yellow thing with a sharp boundary on screen, your going to taste the rainbow.
Oh, and OLED people will gaslight you about the yellow tint everything has>That's what it looks like in real life bro it's more accurate, reality has a warm color profile go outside
>>738822085Kubrick bitched about cinemas not honoring his original aspect ratio decades ago and you know what he ended up doing? He framed for all of it and that's exactly what a lot of HDR masters do now with multiple frames of reference. I know people that work post for the major streaming companies and they master all the way down to iPads and phones from their reference Dolby Vision 4000 nit displays. In other words this is just a skill issue.
>>738823261the "major streaming companies" are by far not as sophisticated in terms of picture creation as you make them out to be (or perhaps as your friends may make it seem to you). most movies from netflix and friends look like shit (e.g.: mid-tones getting increasingly dragged to the shadows, unsmooth gradients, broken tonality, saturated colors "punching through" haze or fog, non-emissive materials appearing emissive, etc.) precisely because they attempt to "master" for far too many screens and do not invest enough effort into repairing local visual coherences by re-eyeballing the entire thing - a lot of what they do is simply the "slap different output parameters onto the tone curve and adjust some of the global parameters slightly" that could never repair all of the things that break when you go from 4000 nits to sdr. another factor is that they use tone-mapping standards like ACES that are objectively visually fucked but make it easy to coordinate loads of different contractors (if you're bored, i'd encourage you to dive into the ACES 2.0 committee discussions - it's mind-baffling how companies like netflix managed to drag that thing into the mud, and how broken the standard they produced still is relative to the state-of-the-art of tone-mapping).the task that kubrick had ahead of him (or in fact all people working traditional film) was *orders of magnitude* simpler than what you are faced with today if you truly want to target the whole spectrum of displays. and it shows: a lot of movies recorded in the film era are still much more beautiful than what streaming companies produce today despite the tools that people had at the time being orders of magnitude less efficient.
Holy chatgpt
I have the PG27UCDM, I'm really happy with it. Even just going from a cheap 4K panel to this at the same resolution has made a huge difference.
>>738824821QD-OLEDs scare me because they scratch easily compared to pretty much anything else.
>>738812582>explain this shit to me. Why would I waste a thousand euros on a god-tier OLED if Winblows won't even work properly in SDR?you shouldnttruth is there is 0 reason to get an oled or any HDR monitor if you are on windows
OLED looks fantastic but the HDR is shit.
>>738813049>HDR is not a meme because it's amazing when it works right.the problem is that it dosnt workthere are handful of games that use it properly
>>738826662Skill issue
>>738826662Wrong. Most games do HDR correctly. It was a handful of games almost 10 years ago that did it poorly, like RDR2. It hasn't been an issue for years.
>>738826662https://youtu.be/XbfnkBE2SFwlack of standards and dev resources. but yeah, it rarely looks good because it rarely gets implemented correctly.
>>738816223No it has a larger color gamut
For the HDR brainlets who can't into Windows: https://pastebin.com/5ygwwiy8HDR works absolutely flawlessly in Windows desktop and 100% of the games I play, even emulated games. OLED is a game changer. I pity anyone who can't experience it with PC gaming.
>>738826941I followed step one, and instead of just writing the settings down it sent me to a youtube video. Piss on it.
>>738826941>HDR works absolutely flawlessly in Windows desktopI don't know if Windows 11 fixed this but Windows 10 had a scuffed gamma curve that would raise near-black levels subsstantially, causing everything to look much brighter than it actually was. Made games like Phasmophobia trivial to play. Linux, funnily enough, doesn't have this problem, and I keep HDR on all the time.
>>738826941>Lookup your display on RTINGS >rtings is gonelmao, good guide you retardalso all those step to get a shitty monitor tech to work half properly
do any switch emulators support hdr?
>>738783416My phone looks kinda like this upclose, must suck on a big display
>oled colors are great !>clips reds past 60%, everything is oversaturated up the assamazing
>>738827445I mean if you can't think critically that isn't my problem. You need to know your peak 2% brightness to properly configure HDR. That goes for consoles too. Sorry you're a fucking retard anon. You can find it wherever, I listed some examples.
>>738783290Recently bought my first OLED phoneIt was so unbearable I had to return it, even tho everyone was praising it as having a good oled screen. Got an led screen and my god it looks SO much better, even tho it's a budget phone since pretty much all mid+ range phones are just oled nowOne thing noone mentions either is that oled looks a lot more pixelated/jagged than lcd does and this lic is a good example why >>738783416Just squint your eyes and the left will look a lot amootherAnd it's not just with text but every image that has some smooth lineart looks worse on itI could also hardly even notice any difference in colors being more "vibrant" on oled when the screen was so much darker in general. Even the difference in blacks are only noticable when it's true black or something very close to it
>>738828845>oled looks a lot more pixelated/jagged than lcd doesyeah, triangle pixels just dont work properlyoleds look much worse than their resolution would imply
>>738822801Crysis remastered
>>738822801Marvel Rivals, Doom Dark Ages, Sifu or Mega Man.
>>738783290>>738783416>>738783557You are genuinely retarded. Like actually for real, profound stupidity.
>he actually fell for the OLED memelol, lmao perchance
>>738783290>0 4:3 OLED screens>sideways 8 ultrameme curved screenspersonally im waiting until qdel but until then im just not interested. OLED has way too many negatives for me to give a fuck about it.
>>738783290>nearly 30 years on we're still trying to catch up to CRTsTo this day its hard to describe how much of an immediate downgrade in quality monitors were when switching over to LCD in everything but weight.
>>738783416>curved monitor>like op's chode dick
>>738822801Crimson Skies
>windows doesnt support auto HDR 'it sure as fuck keeps bugging me about it
>>738831978For real. I want them back, bros.
>>738824541You can point all day to mass produced slop to attempt to prove a point but the fact of the matter is that these things can be done correctly and are. And no it isn't more difficult than framing your entire film for multiple formats. If you want to romanticize film why don't you talk about the how all the film stocks used for prints back then varied more than any tonemapping inconsistences we have today.
>>738783416that gray banding is a common WOLED problem and it's not a problem for QD-OLED also text are 99% fine for my QD-OLED
>>738783290The HDR spec is broken by design and not a selling point. A lot of the time it looks worse and thats not a fault of the monitor. Just disable it.
>>738783416That isnt even the same pixel density. Youre outright lying.
Watched Project Hail Mary on my oled tv last night and the scene where they skim the planet was fucking beautiful.
reminder, your OLED monitor will literally DIE if you get flashbanged in a gamehttps://www.reddit.com/r/LGOLED/comments/1sgishx/heres_one_for_you_guys_my_c1_restarts_whenever_i/
>>738783416You are becoming hysterical
This thread is still up? Let me just say again: HDR is shit. Yeah OLED can look good but most people are too retarded to understand that 99% of games were not designed for an OLED display. Same for film. It's crazy how people say stupid shit like 1914 is a film that takes advantage of HDR and OLED when the infact it was meant to be seen on a giant theatre screen. Literally no theatre does HDR.
>>738828286Maybe try using the settings of the monitor before complaining:http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/Might as well bitch about TVs clipping in "dynamic" or "store demo" mode.
>>738836006LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>738783290>>738783557Actually just discovered like 5 minute sago that it's a meme that HDR doesn't work on it's own. I was playing stellar blade with the renodx hdr mod, and forgot to manually turn on hdr, and low and behold it actually just turned my monitor into HDR mode on its own. >>738813240>>738813819On that note this is a real issueit's crazy the differences. This is what it looks like if i upload a direct screenshottotally fucked up
any reason why every single topic is infested with trolls? popular topics I can understand but not everything ever. I'd never be a nigger about everything I see online, I just don't care enough.
>>738836790Actually, that didn't come out that bad. It might have just been bad 4chanx compression that messed things up before last timeanyway heres the difference between xnviewmp, windows thumbnail, and mpvhopefully it actually comes across clear
>>738783557>I have to turn on HDR every time I want to use itWow you fucking bitch get over it
>>738836006Not defending OLED, but that's a faulty product.Full black to white is most basic feature on displays.Also, I'll never buy this shit or "smart" telemetry spyware TVs.
my qd-oled is the best gaming tech purchase ive made in decades, there are certain milestones that redefined my gaming experience, one was an SSD, next is getting OLED, once you try it out you won't go back
>>738836868Here is the original screenshot but auto converted to jpeg by 4chanxt for size issue (the original file is 11MB)
when i can use an oled monitor for actual PC stuff like web browsing without burn in then ill get one
Waiting for 2880p dual mode RGB strips woleds. Preferably at 240hz/1440p480hz minimal. But ill be curious if they ever could pulloff a triple mode 4320p monitors at 27inch for a 240/480/960hz in the future. Maybe some rolling BFI g-sync pulsar technique could be done by then for a complete CRT replacement.
qd oleds are dim as fuck. woleds are said to be nicer, but I would never pay those insane prices for a qd oled.
>>738837079no idea why you nerds have to spell out what you're "waiting for" or some shit like you're in the boardroom for LG or ASUS with any clue about what sort of work they actually do as engineers feels like
>>7388372605k oleds are already here you stupid fucking prick
I had a monitor in my shopping cart one click away on amazon the other day when I was getting myself worked up about OLED, then I decided to just go fucking see it in action at Microcenter.I watched the first 10 minutes of someone's Stalker 2 letsplay (4k, hdr, high bitrate as far as youtube goes) and was underwhelmed. I expected it to be like next level contrast and black levels and shit but it just wasn't. It was a mild improvement over my ips display.Idk it's hard to get excited about graphics advancements because displays have just plateau'd for a decade or more. Walking to my fucking mailbox at midnight is a more atmospheric, immersive night time experience than any game on any hardware on any display.
Anyone have a gysnc pulsar monitor? What is that like?
>>738837327right, and you have an intuitive awareness of what 5k pixels looks like do you?
>>738837367Better then oled on motion clarity but worse in every aspect
I think my laptop with an IPS display looks better to my eye than my 4k oled other than the slight ghosting on my laptop. I just prefer the more muted colors but I know I am just being retarded. I am a little tempted to go full goysumer and sell my oled and buy a 4k IPS monitor
windows does have auto hdr you need to use the calibration tooltext looks substandardget a glossy paneloled needs to be in correct lighting conditions
>>738783290>Windows HDRI manually calibrated my 32" OLED once and its been fine lol
>>738799774Everytime I hear you guys talk about monitors I've never seen a single good thing presented, I get that no technology is perfect but there's gotta be some kind of compromise here. I don't have the money for some expensive quad-OLED mini crystal cathode, and I don't have any need to play above 1440p at the highest. You're telling me no matter what monitor type I'd get ill just be rolling the lottery on complete visual dogshit?
>>738837563Oled cost like $300 dog
Yeah I agree OLED has a lot of inconveniences, I had to hide my taskbarI have to do a pixel cleaning 5minute downtime every dayI have to turn off most of the brightness/hdr settings when im outside of a gameI do worry that my browser is causing burn-in constantlyBut I was playing call of duty modern warfare and the shadows in the game looked real, and that made all the other shit i have to do worth it so there you go
>>738837589I'm the kind of person that browses the same shit daily, even with pixel refreshing I feel like I'd get super concerned about any type of burn-in. I've had some low end 1080p monitor almost a decade now but I wanna let it rest eventually. My point wasnt about the price but the drawbacks of getting these newer monitor types, all i ever see is negative reviews about gambling on getting a shitty display or not.
ITT: people without properly calibrated monitors probably using the basic Warm or Cool setting talking like they are experts
>>738837605As oppose to keep HDR on 24/7 are you crazy?My monitor has quick load settings one flick minimum brightness, pixel care settings onNext flick HDR settings no pixel safety on. Geez lots of work
>>738837745What white point do you use friendo?
>>738837756>flickPlease, stop talking to me.
>>738837839Feeling stupid eh
>>738838040Shut the fuck up retard.
Let me guess, you need more?Bought pic related, coming from a TN panel that I've used for 13 years this is a godsend.The image never been more brighter, and the colors are punchier.
>>738783290uhhhhh how am i able to see the black on the oled screen if i'm viewing the image on an led one
>>738817554>especially not for videogames where devs don't bat an eye over killing all contrast with anti soul gas.heh, that's actually like the reverse of HDR.So for anybody wondering what is HDR like, it's like going into the reverse direction of anti-soul gas.That's the best way I can describe the feel for anybody that hasn't seen it. >HDR is essential for unlocking the full potential of modern displays especially FALD and Mini-LEDsespecially OLEDs too. It's really pointless to get an oled and use it in SDR only.>>738819210>>738819308>noooo but the artists vision they can't bla bl abladont' care. HDR looks better, and I have the tools to adjust the scene to make it look good in my opinion.Literally all you need to do is implement proper calibration in games that currently you have to do with thirdparty programs/injectors. Let people adjust the tonemaping curve, let them adjust max brightness, and UI brightness, let them adjust over all game brightness. Let them adjust which color space things are put out into.Simple, done.But nobody is going to go and retroacivelty do it to all the games released up to now.So you either miss out on tons of good games that could look amazing in HDR, or you learn to apply those third party programs and fix any game yourself.Enough about this whining and happying about having a hard time as us content creators cannot make things perfect because bla bla bla.
>>738818815>Absolutely not a meme, even 60hz -> 75hz is a noticeable improvement to me. Playing above 120hz/144hz is the real meme.The lower the HZ the bigger the boost you get form any increse.going form 30 to 60 is gigantic.Going form 500 to 530 is insignificant.That's because 30hz is 33.3ms60hz is 16.6msdifference of 16.6ms.While 500 is 2msand 530 is 1.88ms.This is why I personally feel anything less than 100hz is subhuman and should never be used for pc.120hz is "enough" for it not to feel bad. And stuff above that makes things smoother and feel better, but not as much as that initial jump.Difference of 0.12ms
>>738821285>I also forgot the biggest pro to me. hdr costs 0 performance. zero for a way bigger image quality gain than raytracing and can also be implemented into nearly any game on pc.this too.I doubt it's literally zero, but it's functionally so close to zero that you can call it that.And yes, it makes a far bigger difference than raytracing does. I think the only game I've seen that Raytracing made a big enough visual difference is control.I honestly would have preffered if the industry put all it's resources and effort into getting HDR standardized and customizable in each game. Than slapping in raytracing into a lot of games that halfs the performance and looks sometimes better, sometimes barely any better.HDR is, in fact, the most sensible upgrade to visuals we have gotten in the past 20 years or so.I have no hope for game graphics improving, but at least we got an upgrade in displaying things.
>>738822801Since it's your first game, then I suggest something that doesn't require knowledge to setup. So native HDR games.Returnal, Ori and the will of the wisps. Control mayyybe, as I remember it still required tinkering.Once you got that done.I highly suggest playing SDR games that have good visual style to make use of HDR. And using a tonemapper to convert SDR to HDR.
>>738816328>and for what?If you introduce more settings and technology that makes a reference image harder to create - it makes it much easier to sell technologies that improve the various niches consumers have built for themselves. The dozen settings that help manufacturers cheat RTINGs tests have found yet another use in a market that most people already have a TV that's 'big enough', 'colorful enough', 'pretty enough'. Even better if the setting has obvious downsides visible to the consumer - local dimming makes blacks look great, but kills their maximum brightness. Dynamic contrast ratios make the picture more visually striking, but perceptibly takes time to adapt to the scene.AI picture quality enhancements are the next step in this evolution. Endless, personalized settings that can be updated and sold till singularity.
>>738839781>This is why I personally feel anything less than 100hz is subhuman and should never be used for pc.Yet we had to deal with nothing but 60Hz for over 10 fucking years.
>>738826646>OLED looks fantastic but the HDR is shit.https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxppX-OU9Z0Vke1p8ZNIGBl-lPgbh3MDiM
>>738783290Never buying a new monitor until it completely outdoes a CRT, no matter what.And this thread is nothing but sunken cost copium
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>>738840583>I will stay on my old 60hz LCD because fuck you>I am smartThe only positive aspect of CRTs we still haven't matched or surpassed is arbitrary resolution, and we never will for obvious reasons.On the other hand modern displays have features that would be unimaginable on CRT like variable refresh rate.
>>738836625>buy a 1000$ monitor>have to get a doctorate to even turn it onyou are retardednobody should be expected to know any of this shit
>>738836938>Mini led is brighter Is that really good? If you look at monitors all day you will put the brightness below 50% at some point
>>738843246>have to get a doctorate to even turn it on
>>738840880i never understoo this image
>>738830545I have an oled and I can say this shit is not for a normal person.>>738832949QD oled has other issues.Such as EXTREMELY fragile protection on the screen that gets scratched by dust, tap water, and so on. It also raises the blacks if there is any ambient light, so if you take a QD oled you pretty much have to use it in a dark room and cleaning it is like doing brain surgery.Still better than woled and tandem woled that has no black raise but incredibly bad gray banding and texture.
>>738833342>>The HDR spec is broken by design and not a selling point.HDR is the main selling point.oleds without HDR are utterly not worth it. If you get oled and don't use HDR you are utterly fucking retarded. >>738836006lol that is pathetic.Thank god I don't have that issue, but that's seriously bad.>>738836316HDR is amazing actually. OLED on the other hand is a big risky meme. I trully hope in the future we get microleds figured out and have something better than whats on the market now, and HDR becomes completely standard.
>>738836973>when i can use an oled monitor for actual PC stuff like web browsing without burn innever.Oled by design has organic elements that burn in/burn out.It's quite literally never going to get fixed, only mittigated.The only sensible workaround right now is to use two monitors. One for browsing and oled only for movie/gaming.
>>738837346>I watched the first 10 minutes of someone's Stalker 2 letsplay (4k, hdr, high bitrate as far as youtube goes) and was underwhelmed. I expected it to be like next level contrast and black levels and shit but it just wasn'tyou sure the browser they had there can actually display HDR content?
>>738837563>Everytime I hear you guys talk about monitors I've never seen a single good thing presented, I get that no technology is perfect but there's gotta be some kind of compromise here.fuck off shill, we will not be doing your job for free.>You're telling me no matter what monitor type I'd get ill just be rolling the lottery on complete visual dogshit?No you are picking your poision.VA has dark smearing.IPS has glow and poor contrast.TN has bad viewing angles and is only good for desktop pc monitor that you view straight onoled has burn inminiled has bloomingAnybody trying to deny these faults is a shill that is trying to sell you something.My suggestion is you look at a decent example of each monitor tech and see which fault pisses you off the most and which one you can live with.
>>738837756The fuck are you even trying to say you esl retard.Type in normal english with full sentences.
>>738840163I got a 144hz monitor more than 10 years ago.Most people still don't fucking get it.I absolutely refuse to use anything below 100hz I can feel the jank every second I move anything, like even mouse on desktop.
>>738783290The black crash is really obnoxious on OLED. I don't want to raise my brightness to a blinding level in order to see in a dark environment.
>>738783290I agree. Even with the recent price drops I'm not that impressed. I have some newer VA panels that you would be genuinely pretty surprised to hear are VAs with how nonexistent the ghosting is, and they were 1/4 the price of the OLEDs I have that are the same size. And they don't need the maintenance or burn-in avoidance or any of that other annoying shit.
>>738840907>On the other hand modern displays have features that would be unimaginable on CRT like variable refresh rate.variable refresh rate is an utter meme.I just use high refresh rates, locked.To ilustrate my point, I'd use 1000Hz locked, over 48hz-144hz varriable anyday, ANY!DAY!In fact varriable refresh meme is only critical the lower the HZ you have.And there is a lot of downsides to VRR, like flicker and other bullshit.Thus, I simply lock the highest refresh possible and have no issues.
>>738843246No, you don't need a doctorate to turn it on.You need a doctorate to clean it.
>>738844448>I have some newer VA panels that you would be genuinely pretty surprised to hear are VAs with how nonexistent the ghosting is,SHILL DETECTED! DO NOT BELIEVE THIS CRAP, THEY SAY THIS LITERALLY EVERY YEAR!>n-n-n-n-o this time it's fixed, for real>go look at the objective data tests>it smearseverytime.
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>>738843301it matters for qd oleds that are very dim, its notr that mini led thats brights as fuck, its the oled that looks badthere is a reason why all those salon tests in malls are like 50% black and 20% highlights, its to hide that oleds are dim as fuck and can only do bright highlights
>>738783290OLEDbros... not like this...
>>738838852stop asking questions
>>738844523They have actually improved, even if they're still smeary ghosty yuck
>>738845362yeah shills ignore how all oleds monitors outside the new and expensive ones have brightness on the level of budget laptop ipsonly the new gen qd oleds and woleds get bright enough to not look like muddy, grey shit
>>738844523I dunno what to tell you dude. On default settings they ghost like an absolute motherfucker but when I turn on overdrive they're pretty good
>>738844453>variable refresh rate is an utter meme.It's not, it's necessary and CRTs handle duplicate frames/stutter even worse than LCDs which is why I brought it up. Obviously in a perfect world you'd have low and consistent frame times with no stutter.
>>738783290oled sucks, but you can fix the automatic HDR shit in windows with SpecialK.-t miniled enjoyer.
>>738845439If they improve by 0.1% that is still technically "improved".But did it improve enough where I wont see blacks smearing while playing in high contrast, or dark scenes. No.Again I can see the test data. You don't need to gaslight me and tell me>no nono bro this time for sure, THIS TIME FOR SURE THEY FIXED IT!>>738845545eh depends, some overdriver settings will cause overshoot, others will just smear.The main thing about VA is that they can get all the other pixels to transition in time, but the black transitions are what always lag far behind.I've seen 180hz VA monitors hit only 30hz refresh rate compliance on their fucking dark transitions.VA are a great option for static content or slow movies.It's horrid for videogames.>>738845569>It's not, it's necessary and CRTs handle duplicate frames/stutter even worse than LCDs which is why I brought it up. Telling you, the only time VRR was important is when you were dealing with shitty 60hz panels.on 144hz is not nessesary as you wont notice problems and on 240 or 360 it becomes completely a non issue.>Obviously in a perfect world you'd have low and consistent frame times with no stutter.IT matters only if your refresh rate is low.At 30hz you better believe every frame shoudl sync up.At 1000hz, you don't give a shit about shit syncing up because each frame is displayed for 1ms and any skipped frames, or tearing will be gone before you can ever register it.VRR is simply a retarded cope tech that has many downsides and the true solution is to have shit just run well at higher hz.Yes, I will take 30fps on 1000hz monitor over 30fps on a 48hz monitor with VRR. ANYWAY.
>>738845725>the true solution is to have shit just run well at higher hz.Not happening with gay tracing and jeet engine 5>I will take 30fps on 1000hz monitor You're not getting 1khz on a CRT either
>>738845865>Not happening with gay tracing and jeet engine 5you are again making the mistake.You don't need your FPS to sync up with your hz.IT's irrelevant.VRR depends on fps.High HZ does not depend on FPS.The biggest meme people have been fed is that you shouldn't get high refresh rate monitor because you can't run fps at that fps.Even if it doesnt run fps at that rate it still fixes a lot of issues and makes things smoother by updating things more often.>You're not getting 1khz on a CRT either1khz is just a made up example for ease of understanding the physics of this.I used 144hz with VRR and in the end I turned it off because VRR flicker was more noticable than any stutter or screen tearing ever was.
>>738786492some OLEDs hide burn-in by lowering brightness of surrounding pixels
>>738845993>VRR depends on fps.>High HZ does not depend on FPS.>makes things smoother by updating things more often.what the fuck are you talking about?if a game only delivers 100 fps, a 240hz monitor will still show only 100 fps.
>>738846994It makes perfect sense if you understand how VRR works
>>738845362>Muh brightnessthe most useless metric
>>738846994>if a game only delivers 100 fps, a 240hz monitor will still show only 100 fps.it will update the screen 240 times per second.Regardless of what FPS you have.This is literally the dumb meme I keep telling you about.People shilled on VRR think you NEEEEEED to have FPS correspond to refresh rate to avoid problems. If you are using VRR your FPS dictates your refresh rate. To "avoid tearing".But in a normal locked situation, you can have 10 fps, and update the screen at 500hz (500 times a second).Screen tearing, stutter and other such problem are only noticable when your screen refreshes not so often.If your screen is blasting 500 updates per second, a small misaligment of the image at the top of the screen will be impossible to notice.Same thing with framerate, frame pacing, and HZ.So I repeat. I completely don't use VRR.I just use High refresh rate. REGARDLESS of what the fps is.
>>738847389cope
>>738847513see >>738816223You get used to it after 30 min one way or another. Brightness means nothing. For gaming especially I'd rather use extremely dim CRTs over even an oled that has no strobing.
>>738847513>miniled>have to bother with broken hdr on every single gamehorrible
>>738847513I see the haloing despite this being a cherrypicked image that is supposed to hide it
>>738847582You clearly have no idea what HDR is.If you get used to something that makes colors look more lifelike, you can never go back to flat looking SDR.
>>738846705Sure, but that's not the case here. I've got a calibrator and the screen hasn't lost any brightness in 2,5 years of daily use. They over provision the subpixels to compensate for lower brightness as they degrade, and some subpixels are physically larger.From my experiecne you get what you pay for, for the most part. I had a cheap Xiaomi phone, it burned-in in less than a year, my Samsung has been okay so far 2 years in and I read several hours of webtoons every day on it.
>>738847645Works on my Windows 11 machine.
>HDR is bad>yes I still use a 1080p monitor from 2015 and I can't upgrade to Windows 11 because my PC is even olderThis entire thread basically
>>738847425>it will update the screen 240 times per second.>Regardless of what FPS you have.To clarify, because I know some of you are too retarded to understand the implication of this: a monitor will re-draw the previous frame if it refreshes before the source can push a new frame to it. So, if your monitor draws a frame, and it's torn because your FPS is lower than your Hz, that torn frame will only continue to be displayed until the next MONITOR refresh. If the monitor re-draws the same frame, it won't be torn. The faster the monitor's refresh rate, the less time that torn frame spends being displayed, the less perceptible it is to the human eye.
>>738847687>>738847645>>738847582human eyes are very sensitive to brightness...
>>738848536Only when it's low, but you're a retarded shill. A 1600 nits monitor is not 4x as bright to human eyes as a 400 nits one.
>>738848536when you're comparing then sure yeah. But people usually don't have 2 tvs together in their room like this.
>>738848657Damn, some of you anons still have a single monitor setup?Aren't they like super cheap now, you can buy a $200 IPS as a second monitor.
>>738848801I have an ultrawide ips for work/browsing and the oled TV for content/gaming.The oled looks way brighter to the monitor. Because IPS glows and looks like shit if you crank the brightness too much, meanwhile the oled has no such issue and you can simply have it maxed all the time.
>>738816328You could make the same argument with colorspace and brightness, though. Once we are no longer held back by dogshit HDR standards that are unable to hit 10x headroom for an average viewing condition, your entire argument becomes a non-factor, just as it's a non-factor for SDR televisions that had color gamut accuracy issues or gamma issues.
>>738818073But HDR isn't "just" cranking your amp", it's that plus listening to quieter music that occasionally has loud aspects. And that's what HDR is; extra headroom for the loud parts to be truly loud.
>>738845725>Again I can see the test data. You don't need to gaslight me and tell meWhy the fuck would I care about gaslighting you? If my VA monitor had black smearing I would've returned it day one, but it doesn't. It does have blooming and limited viewing angles though. >muhhh test dataTry testing an actual monitor some day instead of writing this garbage. You'd be surprised.
There will never be a perfect monitor, I was swayed by the XG27AQWMG but there's the banding issue and the constant pixel refreshes make OLEDs too obnoxious to actually use in practice. >>738838171 nearly had me, but>matteThere will never be a perfect monitor.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHGmk4QChD4
>>738847893i still want to know how windows can both not support auto HDR and still manage to bother me about it everytime i start up a game its clearly a supported feature
>>738849895>There will never be a perfect monitor.yes, so the answer is simple once you understand that, just have multiple displays. You can have your glossy OLED with strobing for gaming and movies, and your IPS or whatever the fuck else for browsing or working.
I'd buy an OLED if they made 24 inch 1080p panels. But they're jews and want me to have a MASSIVE 27" MONITOR and force me to run 4K natively.Pass.
A reminder that if you're going for a single IPS screen, and you're NOT going for the Pulsar ones, you're fucking retarded.
>>738850753>no, I do NOT want higher clarity and a less baby sized screen for the same performance!4K DLSS perf performs the same as 1080p DLAA and looks way better.Also 1440p is the norm for 27". It's at least way better for browsing and working, I have no idea how people find 1080p acceptable for the desktop.
>>738847893I don't even know what HDR is, but why wouldn't you play on a 1080p monitor? Going further is just fucking yourself over by not being able to see low res images and getting forced to jump on the upscaling hamster wheel. I felt bad even when I went up from 720p.
>>738850991>
>>738850827OLED doesn't have this problem
>>738850986>nooo you have to consoom for the sake of consooming because you're not allowed to be satisfied with 1080p>you NEED to consoom more so you need a higher end gpu instead of running your 9070xt for 10 years!Sorry gookjew from samsung, not going to buy LOL.
>>738851183No, that's wrong and that's why I warn people about this in every threads, it's a huge misconception people have. Oled is just as blurry without strobing, it looks exactly as bad. And sadly, there's no Pulsar oled monitor, for now.
>>738851205You may be retarded with a micropenis but at least you know how to cope, carry on.
>>738851297I would've assumed OLEDs would've been perfectly primed for this considering BFI comes natively to them and their high response times.
>>738783416I fell for OLED meme too. I returned the new OLED monitor the same day and went back to IPS.
>>738816223>>738816328You are both simultaneously spot-on and completely missing the mark at the same time. I think the biggest misconception about artistic intent people make is that it's "ensuring every pixel is precise and accurate", when in reality, it's almost always not.I happen to be in the rather unique position where I paint HDR Artwork. Perhaps you've seen me shamelessly shilling my work around /v/. And if not, check it out, preferably with HDR enabled, here: https://art.soandnb.com/posts/query=hdr My workflow involves painting in a scene-referred space, and then tonemapping to various display formats. Getting an image to look good both in HDR and in SDR is a unique challenge, but, at least for my standards, it's not actually all that complex. I usually approach an image by making sure its SDR rendition looks good first, then fine-tuning it to make sure it looks good in my HDR view. And what I often find is that, if I become satisfied with an artwork's presentation in SDR, then I usually end up finding that I like how it looks in HDR, and vise-versa. I've come to realize that HDR, as transformative to image quality and presentation as it is, it actually isn't. It's just bonus headroom. It enhances an image, but doesn't actually change it, so long as you use the same "family" of transform algorithm. At least in my experience. Because for me, artistic intent is about capturing a particular feel, but this feeling is not necessarily ONLY present if every pixel is exact.Now, of course, I bundle both SDR and HDR into my files. For Rec2100-PQ only images, all that goes out the window the moment Chrome or MPV or whatever decides to apply a completely different family of tonal transform to the image. And that is the one BIG issue I have with the HDR spec; tonal transforms are handled by the display, and not the artist. I wish an artist could specify the transform used in an art to produce much more consistent intent.
>>738783290OLED is for motion clarity and meant for low light so close your curtains.Right about HDR and windows, waste of time
I try my best not to learn too much what ghosting, smearing, crushing, tearing, flicker, etc mean exactly because I think it will ruin my life noticing this stuff immediately
>>738854782You will, ignorance is bliss.
>>738855207it's also why i never became and audiopedophile
I'm going all in on MicroLED
>>738784504I have a 42 inch c5 too. Maybe a c4 I don’t remember (got it for free)It’s amazing. Would never buy one of these shitty QD memes
>>738854250I love your HDR drawings anon, they look really cool.
>>738783290I bet 99% of /v/ doesn't even calibrate their monitors
>>738856813That's an overly optimistic estimate, apparently you need a doctorate to adjust your contrast and saturation.
>>738854693>motion clarityNo that's CRT, Plasma and DLP (and now IPS with Pulsar). Most OLEDs are still sample-and-hold shit.
so you overpaid for an older oled and you're bitching because you're too stupid to configure color profiles or HDRlol. you do realize RGB stripe subpixel OLED exists right now?
>>738811789just.. don't use vrr? tearing is imperceptible above 240hz. you aren't poor, you can afford a 360hz+ monitor, right?>his screen has glow burned in from the factory. permanently.
>>738851183it absolutely does. OLED is not bright enough for strobing
>>738783290>not running Haiku
I've got 2 Qd oled with 280hz monitors. I like em
>>738858573wrong pic
>>738858707>wrong pic
Saar pls be buying the miniled saar pls buy the microled do the needful and buy the pulsaar saar
>>738858165The BlurBusters CRT simulation shader works great.https://blurbusters.com/crt-simulation-in-a-gpu-shader-looks-better-than-bfi/Imagine if a manufacturer implemented it on a firmware level.
>>738854250>he one BIG issue I have with the HDR spec; tonal transforms are handled by the display, and not the artistThis doesn't apply to images but isn't this what the metadata in DolbyVision allows?
>>738783290some OLED screens just burn my eyes for some fucking reasonhad 2 laptops, one is an Asus (somewhat old) while the other is a brand new Lenovo 7i aura. both OLEDsevery fucking thing points to the Lenovo having a superior screen, and im talking numbers not just reviewersbut the thing is.. that Lenovo just BURNS after reading a text for 10min, the other one? nothing, not even a small fatigue after 4 hours
is QLED just a meme? its cheaper and I dont really like the reflection that true blacks give on normal OLED (I use a matte screen on my oled steamdeck). But besides that is it almost as good as oled?
>>738859518Some get the same with QD-OLED and there it had to do with the amount of blue light. Try yellow tint sunglasses.
>>738854250I liked your chirstmas lights art
>>738840163120hz has been cheap since 2010
>>738860019120Hz is a low refresh rate.
>>738857901>RGB stripe subpixel OLED exists right now?well in theory, it's not actually available to buy, just announced, and has no release date and will probably be delayed even after they give a release date and will probably be unavailable everywhere when(if) it actually comes and it will probably have problems with it, like how 4th gen tandem had the vertical banding issuebut by then they will have announced the super rgb molecular tandem pixel 2nd gen, which will allow you to say "actually the REAL endgame monitor that solves everything is here" even though it's not actually here nor does it solve everything
>>738850991with stuff like dlss is makes more sense to go higher not lower output res.1440p with dlss quality will look a hell a lot better than native 1080p while performing the same.same story for 4k with dlss performance over 1440p native.
>>738860175negligible difference between 120 and 144, and the anon I was replying to was acting as if over 60hz monitors was only a thing in the last decade
>>738860019If you wanted garbage TN panel sure.
>>738860178Keep coping.
>>738860474ah yes lemme just buy oled in 2010. genius.
>>738860339144Hz is a low refresh rate.
>>738860583true I guess we just don't have high refresh panels yet. 1000hz when?
>>7388606561000Hz is a low refresh rate.
>>738859518this >>738783416 is the reasonyou might not see it, but the color fringing + bright peaks gets to you
>>738783290>windows dosnt support auto HDRit does>no HDR support means you have to keep swapping it on and off by hand resetting your aps and settings each timeif theres no HDR support then just hit the hotkey. takes 1 second to do>text looks like shitmac type, or go 4k. >-light bleed and weird glow is still there due to panel coatingshit panel then get something good>qd-oled means everything is pink, tandem oled means uneven greys and vertical bandingnah this is some dumbfuck take, ive had a qd oled tv for 3 years, the 'pink hue' isnt noticable and infact had to look extremely closely to see it. >-everything outside most expensive ones are too dim for normal usageto be honest unless you want to buy a TV keeping your OLED monitor on a lower brightness is not only good for your eyes but good for the lifespan. i've noticed how out of the box qd oled monitors are intensely bright probably because they mimic tv settings. Good bait tho.
>>738784272not really. I mean thats up to you but I just turn on the setting run when the monitor is off. Ive seen some tests where they ran it whenever not a set time and the results were just as good.
>>738851297>60 FPS Poverty tier
>>738783290OLED is made for console gaming since only TVs have true HDR capabilities whereas monitors are fake shit that rely on nVidia "fixes"
>>738784661goodluck paying even more then bucko
My god /v/ is so tech illiterate it's insane. Never EVER take advice on ANYTHING technical from this site. If you're looking for a new monitor, never forget that 90% of people incorrectly use the term "OLED" to encompass like 5 unrelated types of monitors.>>738783290>>738783416>>738783557>>738784443Profoundly retarded posters in profoundly retarded thread.QD is not OLED. MiniLED is not OLED. You bought an overpriced LCD panel and got tricked by marketing names.
>>738787190take a guess m8. its jeets who cant afford oled so they resort to spouting misinformation.
>>738861790It's true at any framerate until you hit 1000FPS.There's a ton of games locked at 60.
>>738797645>CRTs throw off an absolutely insane amount of heatperfect for getting toasty, but i doubt its any meaningful amount
>>738859518lower the brightness brother. out of the box these panels are calibrated horribly and have the brightness cranked so high it burns your eyes.
>>738862052No it isn't.
>>738860178I heard MSI MPG 341CQR X36 is out and has the RGB stripe subpixel layout but it's like $1000.
>>738862052>There's a ton of games locked at 60.No there isn't that's a consolefag myth. The majority of games are unlocked.
>>738783290>>738783416microLED is the future
>>738857541Well compared to VA trashUnless companies start replicating that one TCL monitor and selling for $200 I'll stick to OLED
>>738797645>CRTs throw off an absolutely insane amount of heat.They really didn't. Your modern monitor uses more power than you expect for its backlight anyway and not only that but all that image processing it has to do to drive the panel is done on various combinations of CPUs, ASICs and FPGAs that all consume the difference in power. You'd probably save energy and heat if you went back to a CRT monitor at this point.
>>738862795Yes it is. >>738864023The majority of modern slop maybe. Even then, you're not reaching 500 or 1000FPS on the vast majority of games.What is this cope you guys?
>>738864892Nope
>>738865078Retard. You're demonstrably wrong and coping hard because your 1K$ oled is as blurry as a 10 year old VA.https://blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/
>>738865186>because your 1K$ oled is as blurry as a 10 year old VA.Objectively wrong and poor
>>738865378Read the article and keep coping. It's true btw. In fact some older VA with strobing are clearer than Oleds without lmfao.
>>738865489>In fact some older VA with strobing are clearer than Oleds without lmfao.Proof?
>>738864253>They really didn't.They absolutely did and do. I have a 24" CRT from 1996 in a room that is 15" x 20" x 8" that has one inner door and one outer window with blinds. Within 30 minutes of turning on that CRT, this room is easily 10 degrees warmer. After 90 minutes, I have to open the door or window for ventilation to cool the room. That is nothing compared to working on an office floor loaded with these CRTs. Air conditioners running constantly, personal fans on every other desk. The office filled with that smell, always that smell, that electrical ozone smell. CRTs are notorious for producing that smell.
>>738865489Just took this photo with my camera on a 165hz OLED using your article.Problem?
The current best: 750hz https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27gx790b-b-gaming-monitor
>>738865598Anything with strobing (including oleds and CRTs) will look sharper in motion than any display tech without strobing. This is a hard rule you can't do anything about because the majority of the blur we see in motion comes from the human eye, which strobing tricks into removing that natural blur.Of course I'm exaggerating about old VAs but there were in fact older VA and many IPS monitor with strobing tech in the 2010' and while the result isn't as clean due to response times, the strobing alone did an insanely good job are removing the motionblur. And because of the pulse length hiding the bad response times in darkness (the backlight is off during those bad transitions until the picture/pixels are actually ready, depending on pulse length) you just saw less response time induced blur and artifacts.And the same tech is why Pulsar is a big deal and utterly destroys OLEDs. THERE ARE OLED WITH STROBING TECH HOWEVER and those destroy even Pulsar imo but it's an extremely rare feature. I have an LGC1 just because of this and it is fantastic. Just, don't go and buy some random fucking oled monitor thinking your lower framerate experience is gonna be blur-free because that's completely false, it's sadly not how it work, I repeat myself but the majority of the motionblur we see is caused by how our eyes interpret motion pictures. Strobing is nothing more than an optical illusion, but it works and imo a requirement for games. Even at 120FPS or 240FPS it's still valuable to have because you get the motion clarity equivalent of 500 or in the case of Pulsar 360hz gets you 1000+ FPS of motion clarity on an IPS.
>>738865927KekYou'll get even better results with print screen!
>>738786302VAs crush blacks just like OLEDS due to ecessive contrastand the excessive contrast give it ghosting due to the pixels having to move form very black pixel to whatever
>>738844049>HDR is the main selling point.Wrong. The vibrant colors and the deep blacks are the selling point of OLEDs.>oleds without HDR are utterly not worth it. If you get oled and don't use HDR you are utterly fucking retarded.You fell for the HDR meme. Its ok a lot of people do but you really shouldnt double down. Not only is HDR poorly supported but it has poor software implementation a lot of the time so even if you have a good monitor colors will be washed out, whites will be blown out and youll have constant screen dimming for no reason.Leave it off. Save yourself the headaches. Dont be retarded.
Rather than OLED which has fixed pixel response time and amkes low fframerate games and movies/animes stutter and look very harsh, TVs/monitors need adjustable pixel response time.TN monitor wich pixel drive settings could adjust depending on whether youd look a movie or play a cinematic game with medium setting to low response time for higher framerate content racing games etcall TVs/monitors should have that setting, separate from profiles (game/movie whatever)
>>738866407Why are they always tiny?
>OLED gaming>508 repliesKill yourselves
