What will it take to kill TF2 once and for all?
>>738785432It will exist as long as Valve exists.
>>738785432A better game.
I dunno, make it illegal to host private servers?
Gabe
>>738785432valve, more so the TF-Team performing incredibly poor actions with the MVM update that interest is killed for newcomers, given that ever comes out and stakes itself with a lot of changes but one would be able to figure that they'll play it safe.
it has been dead for at least a decade by this pointtf2cucks really like to keep playing with a raped corpse of what once was
>>738785632Everyone will just play on servers hosted in Russia
>>738785432If datamined leaks from other Valve games are true, I'd expect the playercount to rapidly drop after conversion to Source 2 engine, especially considering how much content can be left out and not ported over when it happened like in case of Counter Strike.
>>738785432The death of the internet
>>738786270it has a healthy player count. dead doesn't mean people stopped talking about it, its people arent playing it.
why even are there so many spiteful bitches who want TF2 to 'die'
>>738785432Team Fortress 3.
>>738786389>t. post JI newniggerdon't ever talk to me again faggot
>>738786459A bunch of bitter losers who's game died and want TF2 dragged down with them.
>>738785432Deadlock to be publically released
i believe it will die when valve officially announces they're ending updates for it. don't know when that'll be though.
>>738785432Time
>>738786268elephant in the room
>>738785432Only TF3 can kill TF2 and even then it probably wont unless you get item transfer
>>738787238Valve would be evil and make item transfers one way only
>>738785432TF3.But that's still not enough.
>>738786268sex
>>738785432never
>>738785432
>>738786389>>it has a healthy player count>in reality it's 40 - 30k less than what it was in 2015-16state of tf2sissies
>>738787601kek
>>738787381I have never once enjoyed a single TF2 thread on this board and even now I don't, the game should've outright died with jungle inferno because of how utterly lackluster it was whilst not even addressing the other problem childs like casual making for an overall worse experience for retaining players for longer periods.This game can't die because it's too well made and currently left in a stable enough matter that it couldn't die unless active attempts are made by the parent company, even if the player count gradually is lessening.directly causing: no indirectly: most likely and highly possible with valve's recent track record.It'll never be ported to source 2 nor will they try to rock the boat and even with attempts from retarded ecelebs with sticks up their asses, they're not going to budge for something like bringing back quickplay.
>>738787624>Steam reports 35k players in game right now>official and community server scraping crawler websites report only as much as 8k>TF2 actual playercount is made up of 3/4 with idling botsgrim, imagine still not being cashed out by this point
>TDMfag has shit tasteShocking
>>738787624I hop in the game and get a match instantly . Literally no different from when I played in 2013 besides some community server modes being hard to find like equal_randomizer. But you get zombie fortress instead
>>738785432TF2 is functionally immortal until another team-based, class/hero-based FPS releases that fills its otherwise-uncontested niches of>Being designed primarily around casual play rather than esports>Having support for custom maps>Having support for player-run servers that can run plugins/modsAs long as it's the only big-name FPS on the market that offers all of those things, there will always be people playing it because it provides experiences they simply cannot get from any other game
>>738787624>Random stats without any sourcesKek
>>738787624If TF2C and facepunch trannies taught me anything, the community is filled with malicious retards that would post fake shit just for validation.
>>738787904>NN-NOOO IT'S FAKE IT'S FAKE!your death is near emporium tranny
>>738787694also sexinagree that most TF2 threads here suck though but what can you do about it the game's been discussed to death it's gonna be 20 years old soon
>>738787601This needs an updated version so badly
>>738787941Nice argument retard. Kek. Just 2 more weeks. For sure.
>>738787995>Nice a-AAAAACK!ywnbaw emporium looney troon
>>738786268>interest is killed for newcomersWhat newcomers?
>>738787798Also needs to have characters with tf2 tier personalities. Which is never happening again
This game that's almost 20 years old will be ded soon!!Just like WoW!
>>738787624I like how much seethe a single image just caused in this thread, tf2troons are genuinely delusional
tf2 classic whatever happened there?
>>738787601god this is embarrassing
If you check out the steam reviews, there are still new people checking out the game. That's crazy that it lasted this long. Meanwhile Concord and Highguard...
>>738785432How did they do it? What made TF2 such an iconic and fun game?
>>738788157>overwatch>hey that is still a thing?>let me see how de-How the fuck did this happen?
>>738788295I still see gibuses and new players constantly on EU servers
>>738788418They got rid of the 2 branding and somewhat listen to feedback regarding their disgusting characters so people want to play it now
>>738788381rock solid core game that turned into a launchpad for a shitload of user generated content that Valve nurtured instead of murdering in the crib
It would take Valve pulling the plug, that's the only thing. TF2's original design and gameplay are so timeless and perfect that despite a decade of terrible maps, bots, or whatever, its roots still shine through.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITZezEJC-A4
Before we can even approach the question of "how could tf2 die?" We must first define what it even means for a videogame to die.
>>738787601gotham city impostors was good though
>>738788660You remember Brink? The thing that happened to Brink.
>>738785559spbpI'm still playing TF2 solely because no other game has surpassed its gameplay and design.
>>738787601i hate this faggy 'EVERYONES TRYING TO DETHRONE US!!!!' mentality tf2fags have. i love the game but its players are so far up their own assholes its insane.
>>738788213They killed community servers and now they have like 200 players or something.(Charts says 400 but I guess they are botting? there's around 200 players 24/7 which can't be real)
>>738788660>We must first definewdym define, this game has been on life support for fucking years and only held up by occasional seasonal update that is fully curated by UGC creations, nothing made by Valve themselves. kill yourself you bstupid nigger
738788709>i hate this faggy 'EVERYONES TRYING TO DETHRONE US!!!!' mentalityfunny how overcucks have to make up shit we never said just to claim superiority
>>738788709It exists because when the game was at its lowest point full of bots and some of the worst seasonal updates possible like adding Wutville, people kept saying "just play X".Gigantic got revived too and it fucking died instantly while TF2 is alive. I like Gigantic and Loadout but everybody absolutely shit talked TF2 in conversations about them.
>>738788157>LoadoutFuuuuck I remember playing this game a fair bit and I actually loved it. Building your own guns was a very fun gimmick to me but I remember the game was not very balanced. Still had fun.
>>738788669The joke is peter listing a bunch of shows nobody gives a shit about anymore that aired on Fox. Its not saying Imposters was a bad game it literally has no modern relevancy.
>>738788669point is that those games died, not that they are shittribes, GW and gigantic were also good but they fucking died
>>738788660Well Concord, Highguard, Hyenas etc are all dead. Completely.
TF2 turning the "Hoist with his own petard" quote from Hamlet into a canon backstory for a gameplay mechanic is funny shit and it's just one of dozens of jokes that by some miracle actually workName one joke or character quirk in Overwatch that made you laugh
>>738788709it is gay (imagine having loyalty to a fucking video game) but at the same time, so many games have copied TF2 it's no wonder people get pissy about the clones
>>738785432i never understood the love for TF2have like 20 hours on it since it came out and its never been a good or fun game
The game feels pretty dead at least in the EU, there is a serious lack of decent community servers because everybody is using the matchmaker. I don't expect it to reach the heights of the class updates but anything pre-MyM would be a godsend.
>>738788775>They killed community serverswhat? no way, I thought it was all community servers, are they running their own servers for some godforsaken reason? wuhappen
>>738785432It's impossible. You would need a game that's able to fill the same space as tf2. What most people don't understand is that tf2 is a game you can just launch and play for hours at a time. It's like slipping into a stream of consciousness. There are barely any menus, you don't need to queue up for a game, you can just drop in and immediately start playing. Don't wanna play the objective? You don't have to. Wanna push the payload? There's servers for that too. Wanna just be quiet and do your thing? Yep, that's fine. Wanna goof off and spam emotes? That's okay too. Modern hero shooters are very restrictive and try to structure the gameplay as if it's a sport, with lots of downtime between games. The only space similar would probably be roblox. Companies think gamers want overwatch, but they actually want to run around, shoot things without thinking too hard, and !rtd and explode.
>>738785559>A better game.tf2, unironically, is the perfect game
>>738788660death row: under 1k players at all timesdead: under 100 players at all timesthe latter usually follows the former within 1-2 years (or less)
When a game lets me make funny sentences with my voicelines or lets me sticky jump across the map to double donk a sniper then laugh at him and explode bind myself we can talk about killing TF2.
>>738787798and it needs free video editing software to cater to editors who want to make ingame effect grounded
>>738789261I think they started hiding other people's servers for not following a code of conduct or some such janny nonsense
I wonder if it takes a certain type of retard to see tf2 dyingAll I hear is nostalgiafagging of shit10 years ago, you’ll probably see the same bullshit for overwatch or valorant in the next 10 years
>>738789513>well guys, despite our expectations, our niche mod for an already small game actually succeeded quite well and we've got a healthy player count with solid reviews and a bunch of youtubers talked about it, so we can expect more players as time goes on>what's next boss? optimization? better custom server tools? weapon addon framework?>nope, none of that>then what?>
TF3
>>738785432Governments banning lootboxes and the trading of digital goods for Steambux.
reminder that Quake Champions is a game with usually less than 400 players and Bethesda still supports it
The game is already dead.There is not a single server that is vanilla, more than just one map, objectives not disabled, player numbers that aren't spoofed and replaced with disguised bots posing as players, ping isn't spoofed, actually located in europe, and regularly has double digit player counts.
>>738789738I just played a 24 player match on Pier a day or so ago in an EU server and im american.Like i know everybody hates casual and the game is probably fucked in places like australia but its not my problem.
>>738788052Me. I started playing a year ago.
>>738788213turns out that you can't just bring back vanilla tf2 and expect people to play it. i played one match, got autobalanced and then remembered why i quit
It'd probably lose a considerable portion of its playerbase if a new equivalent was released, people tend to play more recently released games.Though there isn't any guarantee on that tons of people play CS 1.6.Most people's on how tf2 'will' die or 'has' died are basically total schizophrenia
I wanna see a game with classes, maps, guns, all based on 1800s companies. I really love the look and feel of that time period.
>>738788067Agreed. I mostly play because I just love hearing Scout's cackling like a lunatic after killing someone. Not only that, games are very safe nowadays, things like Domination would NEVER be implemented because players cannot handle it. If a game ever tries, it will probably be very forced and not natural at all. They will force characters to be "le crazy".
I like playing MvM community tours and i will play the new MvM update even if it probably wont be that good cause i just like PvE.
>20 years TF2 documentary next year
>>738789195>copiedtf2 didnt fucking invent the concept of a role based shooter
>>738785432The basic game is fun. I was playing team fortress mod for quake 1 in like 1995. It's just fun. Why kill it? It's free too.
Exploring dead TF2 servers 3
I always tell 'em: I like toast.YEAHHH TOAST !
>>738786832>DeadlockToo complicated for drunk low IQ gamer dads.
>>738789993I mean the elephant in the room is that nobody wants to play tf2 with mentally ill fucks that commit a significant portion of their time and identity to pretending to have played a specific shooter 20 years ago and technically being directly affiliated with generally only fairly objectively bad updates in the game's history
>>738790246Obviously, games like Tribes and Planetside existed previously, but TF2 blew the fuck up and loads of games copied TF2's format much more closely than other, similar games.
>>738790246>tf2 didnt fucking invent the concept of a role based shooterYeah, it was QWTF that did.
>>738789231Now imagine it's the 90s and you're on dial up and it is the first team based shooter ever made and the only one that exists. Now you see the appeal, because the only other option is arena death match or team death match.
>>738785432A better class-based multiplayer game that also includes:>Game console access>Uncensored voice and text chat>Completely freely customizable player sprays>Custom servers>Mod support >Mod tools/custom maps>Fun physics exploits (surf maps, rocket jump maps, etc.)>Maps that at least support up to 32 players
>>738790546>Game console accessyou mean debug/dev console? what the fuck does game console mean what a faggy term you just conjured here
>>738790447>Now imagine it's the 90sTF2 came out in 2007 retard
>>738790320They just need to add community servers that let you play 24/7 2fort with no hero limits and a very simplified item system (it works like loadouts, you pick a few items at spawn) and stoners would love it
>>738785432Tf2 now has had a literal decade of the worst update its ever had that added a completely broken matchmaking system that was only added to try and make the game into the next e-sport. While simultaneously having had troons and faggots trying to kill the game by flooding every single server with aimbotting, micspamming bots that flooded into literally every single server while valve did absolutely nothing to stop them for almost 10 years until very recently actually doing something about the problem. Yet even after 10 years of the game pretty much being broken and barely playable, its still going strong. Because its just a great game at its core and can always attract a player base. Even with all the bullshit going on that would kill any other game, tf2 can survive because its an incredibly well made game that's happens to also be free.>>738786459Unironically, because tf2 is one of the last bastions of early 2000's internet culture. With complete freedom of speech and creativity allowed on official valve servers, this upsets the troons and commies as its a complete anathema to the modern internet where communities and games are censored to hell. For example, remember spray's being removed? Its because a tranny pedo (not just saying pedo for no reason they actually were found out to be one after this) claimed people were posting cp with sprays (Something that has never happened.) and pushed a dumb twitter campaign for valve to remove them. They do this because they want the game to die just so they can claim a "win" over the evil racist chuds who can say naughty words and can have objectors with bad evil swastikas and other things they don't like.Attention catching image unrelated.
>>738791061Get it a pew pew wahoo gamemode with zero MOBAshit and tf2 will die overnight
>>738787983The game despite nearing 20 years of age still has a lot of stuff you can talk about from a community side as well as a vanilla side but the thing is about either side is that they're comprised of idiots, not savants, not compfags, not jumpfags not anything, the bottom of the barrel people whom I view as the equivalent to the tourists of TF2 today.The winning move with TF2 for valve is doing nothing and it works, people pay by the minute for the virtual market it has and is reinforced with the 3 yearly cosmetic updates from a bunch of subhuman workshop makers who I want to personally see lose everything in a very short time period so there's less content bloat to the game; I haven't played casual in over half a decade or more because it's a shit system, haven't touched cosmetics outside of insanely ugly ones because I find the degradation funny when conducting some personal barbie dress up time.I'm repeating this but they can easily give this game a longer life span by doing the bare minimum but just don't because of how valve's system works.
>>738787771Why would there be idling bots though? You can't get items through idling anymore, and the big bot ban from a year or two ago got rif of most of them anyway.
>>738791240Exactly. People love their gimmicky subclasses and Deadlock has like four the amount of playstyles, functionally.
>>738791531*four times
>>738791526>You can't get items through idling anymorewho the fuck told you that
>>738787798Also a cast of blank slates who are both distinctive yet bland enough for customisable cosmetics that aren't just skins.
>>738787983I mean it's less that there isn't anything to discuss or share, moreso that most people know it's relatively pointless since people know disingenuous mental cases will flood basically any "discussion" about it with ritual posting like they're on the propaganda arm for some government.Like they do this on the TF2 SPUD, and it's way more apparent and sad with it actually archived.
>>738788660>We must first define what it even means for a videogame to die.Dota 2 has been dead and dying for a decade and it's consistently the second most played game on Steam. I don't know either.
>>738785432Depends what you consider dead. If you mean literally zero players, it will never die and there will always be a few people on their own self hosted servers. Things like TFC and Day of Defeat are not dead by this metric since some people still play. There will always be people playing TF2If you mean dead as in only getting down to a handful of players, it'd require valve to shut down official servers which is unlikely due to them being cheap. I could only see them doing it if TF2 stops making money and they just don't went to bother fixing issues anymore
>>738787601>loadoutI still think that game could have made it big if the devs didn't fuck everything up the gun crafting was so much fun.
>>738787798doesn't even have to be class based desu
Valve won't shut TF2 down because if they do it'll be a huge red flag to counter strike players telling them that their digital items aren't worth anything and could be taken away at any time, causing a major crash in its digital economy as everyone tries pulling out. The amount of money Valve makes on key sales and marketplace transactions alone is insane.
>>738791721a game is dead and dying when its playerbase consists entirely of zombies who mindlessly eat up whatever slop handed to them
>>738792068>counter strike players telling them that their digital items aren't worth anything and could be taken away at any time,But they aren't worth anything, do they really not know that
>>738792224they deluded themselves into thinking they are actually worth something
>Yearly urge to play MvM>Sick of Two Cities so boot up Mecha Engie>Stuck in cue for 2 hours.>Finally join>its a Tacobot vs Pizzabot retard offI hate this game.
>>738792068What effect do you think something like >>738787272 would have? One-way, irreversible TF2 to TF3 transfers. I imagine it would only add value to TF2 items since it makes everything seem shiny and like these old items will appreciate in value for a new generation game
>>738792224If somebody's willing to pay thousands for a knife or ak skin on the market then it's worth something now. And Valve gets a cut of those constant transactions while doing literally nothing, they would be stupid to shut it down.
>>738792361Nah it ain't
>>738785432The games been dead since Meet Your Match. Its just got better fundamental gameplay and content than any modern globohomo games that people keep coming back.
>>738785432TF3
>>738789289>entire game design hinges on a class most people don't want to play>said overreliance often compromised by the fact that excessive healing doesn't always culminate in ubers anyway thanks to dispensers>sticky bomb traps are bullshit game design>every other anon complains about snipers, sniper also being the class that enabled the sniperbot crisis and in general is far too susceptible to aimbotting that valve does basically nothing about
>>738792068This wouldn't happen, counterstrike is a much bigger game with more staying power. TF2 has comparatively much less people and could be considered dead already if you look at how CS is doing. And traders aren't buying items with the intention of holding them forever, they buy and sell stuff, and would know to sell if the game starts to die (which tf2 being shut down does not cause)
>>738792346If they made it where TF2 items can be used in TF3 then you really wouldn't need to make the items one-way transferable in the first place because the existing items are already accessible "outside" of TF2. You would just see new content being added only to TF3 with support for 2 falling off.(Or they do another CS2 where the game is updated to the new "sequel" version but the inventories are unchanged.)
>>738792224production for use is commie shit. we speculative market up in this bitch. NFTs and CS2 knives are worth money and basically you cannot afford a house
>>738792743what a bizarre thing to respond with
>>738792416Tell that to the marketplace listings and recent transactions. Just because I believe something like the iPhone is worthless doesn't mean Apple makes $0 when their newest phone sells like hotcakes.
>>738789231It's a well made team based shooter that has funny characters, that and it always has been a pretty casual shooter for people who just want to have fun and throw piss at french people instead of dealing with sweaty COD lobbiesReminder that GET BEHIND ME DOCTOR was recorded when TF2 was still a new game
>>738788669So was Monday Night Combatboth games deserved better
>>738788162Yep it's fucking pathetic>N-No you don't get it bro, yes the game is pretty much completely abandoned by valve at this point and yes you basically can't play anything other than payload and 2fort if you don't want to play on half empty servers all the time but the game totally still has 6 gorillion active players bro trust me...
>>738788157half of the games on that list are completely different genres and did not even try to compete with TF2 in any way.
>>738792980digital scarcity is stupid
>>738785549Valve actually functions as a freemasonic lodge, when Gabe Newell dies another one will ascend to his throne
>>738786270Counter Strike 1.6 is pretty much an abandoned game by valve and you can still find full community servers in every corner of the world. If TF2 goes officially unsupported there's a chance it will go in the same way
>>738793606cs 1.6 was never a live service game retard
>>738792068This also highlights tf2's eternal doom.>valve don't want to make a tf3 because it would necessitate transferring over everyone's inventory and all the content that entails>same for any kind of tf2 remaster/remake>valve quietly probably realises most of the weapons they ended up putting in the game were a mistake and would rather make a game without them, but can't, introducing reluctance to make anything>as a result everyone is stuck with tf2, with all the aging source 1 issues, watching as the rest of the industry gets new games on new engines with new featuresValve really did the worst thing imaginable to team fortress as an IP by forcing items/microtransations onto tf2.
>>738787601>OverwatchWell it did actually kill TF2 come to think of it.Valve made their own shitty update "Meet your Match" to rival OW and we all know how that went.
>>738793682I know, but people still are playing it, and tf2 like cs has a long history of community servers
>>738793747The most reasonable move for Valve is to port the game to Source 2 like they did with CSGO, it won't be pretty but maybe they'd prefer that if it meant people would lose interest in the game over time on their own so they won't need to handle the headache of it all in the end.
>>738792507>sniper also being the class that enabled the sniperbot crisisAh yes, the fact that people cheat in the game and the retards at valve just let it happen for 7 years, thats not a problem with cheaters, or valve, or the party system that allows bot hosters to invade servers effortlessly. The real problem is clearly the core gameplay...
>>738793908In other words, compniggers ruined everything
>>738788213They've put all of their focus on verified servers aka fucking over servers that don't share their viewsThe mod is certainly not growing in player numbers and is slowly bleeding players, it used to get 1k players regularly, now it's down to 700Putting all that effort into killing servers because you don't agree with them for an already niche mod is just retarded
>>738785432never but it's still ludicrous that valve has infinite money and can't spare a few cents on unfucking the matchmaking I don't need constant new maps and weapons but I'd prefer if the game went back to quickplay like the old days
>>738794020Yes. Because you can do something about the core gameplay. Preventing aimbots in shooters outright is basically impossible. And even if you try your absolute hardest to prevent it, we all know valve are the last company to put in that kind of effort.And saying "it's the fault of the cheaters themselves" isn't going to magically get rid of them. Get that hamster running a little and you might be able to start thinking practically.
>>738793934relationship with game of people who played cs 1.6 in it's hay day versus those who still play tf2 is very different, I would even bet both of my testicles that if tf2 got actually abandoned ( official matchmaking and item servers pulled offline indefinitely ) it would just fucking die overnight and become an extremely niche circle of curiosity due to how tf2 players are attached to the way how game itself operates currently.
>>738793747>valve quietly probably realises most of the weapons they ended up putting in the game were a mistakeNope this is entirely a construct by mentally ill people that don't like TF2.Mentally ill people that don't like tf2 with a disproportionate control over media production regarding it so you could mistake this as consensus, but it's niche opinions nonetheless.
>>738792361it would be fucking funny thoughand valve isnt pressed for cash, they have steam. they should say fuck it and do it for the lulz
>>738794245i wish we got new weaponswhy don't they release new weaponsseriously WHY i'm not asking for shit like the jetpack and the dragon's fury that completely changes the weapons, even releasing bullshit that is a list of simple stat changes is funjust look at the banana, it's literally the sandvich with numbers tweaked and it's still really fun and unique and was unironically a better addition to the game than every new gimmick bullshit pyro weapon added alongside it combined
>>738794335people will loose their cosmetics and taunts, but most people actually likes the weapons which are actually free and can be loaded into servers with mods, an example is custom weapons mods. That's one of the reasons why people gravitated to tf2 mods like Goldrush and Classified
>>738790126>players hated MvM back in 2012, so it became niche very fast>now players are waiting for a mythical MvM update???
>>738793474Dread Piracy Roberts is a service problem
>>738794437Back when Robin Walker was still involved with tf2 he went on record to say that Natascha and the Sandman were mistakes. He also shared some disapproval of cosmetics saying the dangeresque shades was the furthest he was willing to push the style.That's just a hint of what you get when the game dev is actually willing to voice their opinions of their game to the public. Back before a shit load more weapons ad cosmetics were added to the game. So just imagine how much more there would be said if valve were willing to voice their opinions again.Hell Chet Faliszek can be a bit of a twat but one of the things he said after leaving valve was MYM was a mistake.And you only need to look at games that valve have done since tf2, and look notably at what they DON'T do again, to get some indication of what things valve realise were a mistake they don't wish to repeat.
It doesn't make sense that the average hat costs more to trade then crafting a random hat.Most players left the game and sold their backpacks at huge losses way below market value proving market value is made up and whole economy and most items are controlled by couple of players.Most current players are in valve servers where they don't even know trading is a thing. With all the people that left hats should cost way less than the current prices.Its all made up, not a real, fuctioning economy.
>>738794906>Good night TF2. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning.
>>738794832People didn't hate MvM, they were indifferent to it.Even now people don't really hate MvM they hate the mentally ill burnouts that unironically think other players are literally stealing their money if they can complete tours to potentially receive austrailiums
>>738794949Scope expanded beyond what was actually discussed to rattle off ritual posting points pretending them to be authoritativePerish
>>738794981>Its all made upDuh. Prices controlled by players and bots amount.
>>738795092Then focus on what I said about the weapons dumbass. We already have two weapons in the game that had the lead dev's seal of disapproval. And that was his opinion back when the number of weapons in the game are a fraction of what they are now.
>>738794020Ok, let's just gimp or remove every skill based mechanic because 0,001% of the playerbase are cheating subhumans. Amazing logic.>Preventing aimbots in shooters outright is basically impossibleIt's really not, and we know this because before MyM TF2 never had a big problem with cheaters.
>>738795225>Pretend like I didn't out myself as a mentally ill freakNo
>>738789161i did chuckle at "REAPositioning" from reaper using his teleport back in 2016that's about it
>>738795240meant for >>738794270
>>738795092>you.png1 frame of masterpiece, it can be placed on a wall, it could even> *GUN SHOT*
>>738789161Does the lore depict Lincoln as a president or is "President" one of his names, hilarious if the later, its also funny because he used to be the OG Pyro so he invented a method to reach higher floors to evade having to deal with rockets.
>>738795292>Pretend like you didn't out yourself as a mentally ill freakOh I assure you being a hopeless valvefag to the point that you defend things even the company realises was a mistake is pretty mentally ill. I'm not pretending otherwise.
>>738785432Tran.s wright
>>738792110in that case tf2 has been dead since mannconomy
>>738795532Actually the issue is most people can't be bothered with the mobile authenticator so trading across basically of Steam died.TF2's economy had long since been entirely insular and dead before that though, it really never recovered from the incident of 2011
>>738795240You do realise that was how tf2 was designed to begin with? The most prominent mechanics are all things that wouldn't be that susceptible to aimbotting. Random spread everywhere and no headshots at all except for one class. Who is the one class valve questioned whether they should even have in the game. And even then they put in efforts to reign in how powerful snipers would be with the scope charge mechanic. Of course 150 damage uncharged headshots ended up being plenty.>before MyM TF2 never had a big problem with cheaters.It did. It just didn't go as far as sniperbots.
>>738792321>try to blame mvm>boot camp because lol @ lootbox gameplay>everyone always quits after the first lost wave
>>738785432It's already dead. Returned to it after year and it takes 3 minutes to find a match. Most players are bots farming drops probably.
>>738794949Robin Walker knew more than anybody that Sandman was the product of just rushing to have some update out, people who defend the Scout update are memers. The quality definitely went down after they added the mann co store because updates were a means of promoting purchases from the in-game store not the game in general.
>>738793747>they will never have the developer culture that led to tf2 ever againfeels bad man
>>738796278You know the sad thing is you're literally too much of a fag to understand why Robin in particular would have an issue with the mobility denial weapons
So uh....Why doesn't anypony just play on dedicated servers? If you love the game so much do those they didn't get touched?
>>738796548"Nobody" goes on dedicated servers (TFTumor and shartoid servers) because people don't like them and don't want to play with them.And everything surrounding the situation is cope.
>>738795915>The most prominent mechanics are all things that wouldn't be that susceptible to aimbottingYou do realise that aimbotting is not the only form of cheating right?>Who is the one class valve questioned whether they should even have in the gameSource: Your gaping asshole>It did. It just didn't go as far as sniperbots.Wow encountering a cheater once every couple of weeks is such a big deal. I guess the votekick feature did not exist back then, right?If you genuinely believe the entire core gameplay of any multiplayer game should be designed around cheaters you’re actually fucking insane and I don’t know what to tell you at this point.
>>738796548People would rather complain than fix the problem. Short term gratification of playing casual outweighs having consistent fun in dedicated servers to them
>>738796548I do. The problem is new players don't know about them which means they can't really grow, and joining servers via matchmaking is more convinient so most people don't bother with anything else.
>>738796548>Why doesn't anyponythis ain't 2013 grandpa
>>738796713>You do realise that aimbotting is not the only form of cheating right?Oh look whose "expanding the scope".Aimbotting was the topic at hand. It's also the most abuseable form of cheating and what we're talking about here.>Source: Your gaping assholeHave you really never heard people say this before?>Wow encountering a cheater once every couple of weeks is such a big deal. I guess the votekick feature did not exist back then, right?You really think convincing the other team that they have an aimbotter is easy?>If you genuinely believe the entire core gameplay of any multiplayer game should be designed around cheaters you’re actually fucking insane and I don’t know what to tell you at this point.Because you don't have an actual reason why it's a bad thing to do.If you were limiting aimbot abuse at the cost of fun it would be one thing. But a lot of the time it's both limiting aimbot abuse AND making the game more fun at the same time. See most of the classes in the game.
>>738796392what, because he likes quake, what has that go to do with the scout update being poorly considered garbage
>>738785432Only TF2 can kill TF2, and Valve has zero reason to rock the boat too hard when no matter what people say it prints a nice bit of $$$ for the little "effort" they put in.It's a game that can exist and be played even without ANY effort from Valve since players can host servers. Even if Valve pulled all official infrastructure (and they'd never delete inventory servers that pay for themselves with keys + steam market tax) the game would basically just revert to how it was for the start of its life after they added the first unlocks and hats.
>>738797717>the game would basically just revert to how it was for the start of its life after they added the first unlocks and hats.tf2 for xbox 360 chads, we're going home
>>738797995I mean not exactly, there's still the fact that all the flamethrowers got fucked up and spy gets buttfucked by spawn wallhacks, but more or less, yeah.
>>738797387>Have you really never heard people say this before?Yes I've heard people say a lot of retarded shit, I've never once seen any credible source that valve questioned sniper's inclusion in the game (because it didn't happen)>You really think convincing the other team that they have an aimbotter is easy?Yes because anybody from RED or BLU could just join spectator and see for themselves. (a feature removed in the same update that started the bot crisis, funny right?)>Because you don't have an actual reason why it's a bad thing to do.My reason is that I want to play games with skill based mechanics that reward me for being good at the game and bot hosting subhumans should get raped in the ass by niggers.
>>738791225Pyro ass is always related.
>>738798079The same bothosting subhumans named uncle dane who were legally compelled to stop doing so like 3 years ago now?
>>738798079>Yes I've heard people say a lot of retarded shit, I've never once seen any credible source that valve questioned sniper's inclusion in the game (because it didn't happen)So why claim it specifically came from me?>Yes because anybody from RED or BLU could just join spectator and see for themselves. (a feature removed in the same update that started the bot crisis, funny right?)Oh yeah, shit change. But also lol at thinking that people are incentivised to leave their team and stop playing to inspect an accused cheater who is helping them win. Proper kill cams would have been nice, though from what I gather those can sometimes make legit players look like cheaters, though surely then the same would apply to live spectator cams? Doesn't help when hacking programs also has features letting cheaters know they are being spectated as well.>My reason is that I want to play games with skill based mechanics that reward me for being goodBut apparently that is only really the case with 1 or 2 classes in the game?
>>738788162>no source for the image>supposed to be taken as factsounds cool trannoid
>>738786459Zoomers hate anything and everything that was built with soul and made to last long. Such a spiteful generation no better than boomer tumors.
>>738796548>a server I used to frequent died shortly after the Ukraine war.
Why did >>738795532 get removed ??
>>738787624this would've been valid a couple of months ago but valve must've done something about the idle bots and now the player count chart looks more or less healthy. it used to look like a mangled mess with no repeating peaks whatsoever
>>738790115hi guys thanks for tuning in to another video on forgottenweapons dot com
>>738800665That was my post and It didn't get removed.I meant to delete a post I fucked up making in another thread, but am operating off 1 and a half hours of sleep and somehow selected and deleted that post instead.
>>738785559>>738788698>>738789289And what would you say to this? If someone unironically developed it. But class base mechs for class base characters that can get in and out and hijack, two additional classes along with a few dozen quality of life fixes similar art style.
the absolute pinnacle of character design
>>738786268>mvmThat was over 10 years ago, anon. Also post more TDM.
>>738787561>lunatic's leathersbased
>>738801070one thing i always forget is how tiny everyone's eyes are in TF2 and how every overwatchesque clone copies the lighting and modeling, but gives everyone gigantic pixar bug-eyes because they don't know how to animate expressiveness through pose, voice, etc
>>738790671You sound like a raging hrt tranny. lmao
>>73878821345 months for some sourcemod?
When TF3 comes out with the Orange Box 2. You know Valve is going to do another orange box with HL3, Portal 3 and TF3 all with Source 2.
>>738802645>When TF3 comes out with the Orange Box 2
>>738801110Not THAT MVM update, the newest pending mvm update which alone is probably going to cause so many issues on release and they know it because there's been nothing but silence since they made the announcement asking the workshoppers to do their work for them.I just hope it bombs alongside whatever they've got planned as a new scheme for what they can implement in deadlock to create more profits, I hope the faggot fucking higher ups have a string of failures thinking their planned efforts will become material on a shitty hat simulator full of autistic regrets of the internet society.
>>738788213Had so much fun making temp listen public servers where people joined and were allowed to say anything and spray anything. The most fucked up fetishistic sprays imaginable. But because of the nature of trannies to impose their will on anyone due to being mentally ill, they introduced verified servers. Probably because they didn't like people mic spamming music or typing nigger in chat. Basically killing the game. I miss Elvis and Evil Elvis
Valve disabling item drops and trading
>wake up to yet another obvious fake friend request from a bot and multiple comments on my workshop items asking to buy out my tf2 inventorycan valve assassinate these fucking faggots already
>>738803762just make your inventory private?
>>738804401nothe solution that involves dispensing undesirables is always more appealing
