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lobbies. play with /v/ros.
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If I slay your spire would you die?
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>>vg
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Why did a game like this even need to hire radical feminist grifters as consultants?
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>>738793325
Get the fuck in here A10 bros


steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244890794232/76561197977064021
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8 days until Silent finally, finally fucking dies
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>>738793637
2/4
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>>738793385
It would be extremely ascendant
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>>738793325
Trannyfemoid game, skipped and passed.
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>>738793637
don't, my account got VAC banned when I entered this lobby
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>>738794110
VAC banned for being brown and homosexual
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>>738794185
>being brown and homosexual
the lobby, yes.
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>Doormaker is gone
Thank you china, now they just need to fix scaling in 2player mode
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man, seeing sts2 being so popular makes me wonder how big darkest dungeon 2 would be if the devs just stuck to polishing the first game's formula instead of trying to reinvent the wheel for no reason
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Is it true they gutted Ironclad in 2? I really enjoyed exhausting all my cards and hitting things for 200 damage with body slam, can you still do that?
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>>738794791
Ironclad's block was completely gutted. If you're not full offensive all the time you're going to die
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GG home skillet
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>>738793637
ggs necro bro
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Fucking finally. I hate silent
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>>738797037
Me, but regent
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>>738794716
But then why would anyone move from 1 to 2? Especially considering all the mods 1 has (and still gets).
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A10 lobby
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244897734442/76561198045448277
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>>738797297
multiplayer
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>>738797364
Someone joined on A1

im out
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steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244898348582/76561198143673966

A6 BETA BRANCH
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anything below a10 on multi is just too easy
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>>738794716
Sts satisfy the chinks who love going infinite and play power fantasy, that's why it's so successful. DD is hardcore game, they only sell to Western players, it'll not be as big as Sts
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Anime mods for ancients and characters are here, when anime mods for all enemies?
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>>738793325
Anita Sarkeesian
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>>738797739
> DD is hardcore game
DD has fuck all thinking, all bosses are the same, you build correct team for every dungeon type(that you check on wiki) and just face roll enemies
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Any voice mods out yet? Playing as mesugaki Regent without any cute voice just feels it's lacking something
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>>738797739
>infinites
I have over 100 hours and I have yet to get a single infinite on any of my runs
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I finally beat StS1 on a20 with ironclad someone please congratulate me.
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>>738797924
WTF is that real?
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>>738797890
would you also like a real life 8 year old to cosplay Regend for you? some of you fuckheads make me sick
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>>738797739
ah yes DD the game where the devs seethed whenever players found something that worked
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>>738797701
>anything below a10 is just too easy
True.
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Would you call this a deck-building issue or a combat-playing issue? Probably both, but would you have won the boss gauntlet with this deck?
I died to Subject after taking gorillion damage to Queen cause I didn't kill the minion fast enough (and I drew no block on important turns, and I was frail).
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>>738798130
>no elites in act 2 and 3
You played too safe, you pussy
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>>738794716
>dd2
it still hurts
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>>738798319
That's true, but the paths weren't very nice either. What relics would've turned this deck around? I doubt a pantograph would've helped. Now that I look at this deck, there is no draw, so I had no way to fix those bad hands vs heavy hits.
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>>738798021
>responding to bait
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>>738798130
thats a difficult deck to win with
sword is hella slow if you dont have ways to either ramp the fuck out of forge or return it to your hand multiple times per cycle, and you dont really have any other way to deal damage
on the other hand you do have diadem so you can play slower than shit while taking like 4 damage a turn max so i dunno
if you had a way to exhaust shit to ramp cycle itd probably be good enough
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>>738797924
Nobody cares.
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>>738798130
weirdly similar to the run i finished an hour ago. id say. Biggest problem i see is low energy generation (no orbits), sword wincondition with no summon forth which basically means your parry is worthless with that decksize since if you use the sword it will take at least 4 turns to see it again and low amount of block basically 3 relevant blocking cards in this big of a deck is bad
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>>738798452
draw is the name of the game vs both queen and nigger lizard, so yeah it looks like you needed a a bit more.
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>>738797924
good job anon. Barricade body slam? heart or just act 3?
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>>738797924
I care, I hope I can get past A17 soon
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>>738798452
You get higher chance of rare card and more gold too
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>>738798130
imo a deck-building problem, since i have no idea what your combats are but i'm seeing a major lack of card draw
something like a cosmic indifference or summon forth could have done you wonders on subject if you got shafted on his third form
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>>738797924
proud of you son now do it with defect
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>>738794791
Big block is sort of gone because your only reliable way to get it is through an ancient (boss) relic and a rare card you're never guaranteed to see. Body slam is still in the game though.
Exhaust is still a thing, Strength gain is gone, Vulnerable as an archetype needs some massive tweaking, but he's still alright.
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>>738794791
Stat site says Ironclad has much higher winrate than Necrobinder, unbelievable
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>>738797297
>why would anyone move from 1 to 2?
what a stupid post
why would you move from sts1 to 2 either? Because you want new content that isn't just mediocre modslop
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rehost steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244900772791/76561198045448277
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>>738798432
the worst part is how much more production values they poured into 2 just for it to end up being such a lesser experience
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>>738794716
DD was doomed from the start because Redhook themselves didn't understand what made their game good. There was one interview where they asked one of the devs what his favorite character was and he just went "Oh yeah I don't really play the game, I just make it harder. That's what you guys like right? lol"
They stuck to the worst aspects of DD1 and failed to commit at making something fresh and exciting. RNG fucking you over is fine in DD1 because it runs on DnD rules, sometimes you roll nothing but 20s and smoke a boss in two turns, sometimes the first hallway schools you on overconfidence. This philosophy doesn't translate well into a roguelike where runs can take well over an hour and the bosses just says "fuck you" and ruins your run by killing your tank, only to replace him with a Vestal or Jester without your input.
They also did the scummiest thing possible by releasing a half-baked game at full price and THEN charge you 20 bucks for 2 fucking characters.
If it's of any comfort to you, Redhook got sold to the Dead by Daylight studio, a fate worse than death.
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>>738798587
>Decisions,
nice, something like that would've saved me, and I could've gotten that from an elite. I'm usually too aggressive with them, and this time I screwed up my run by taking the oppositve extreme.
>>738798591
>>738798713
>>738798829
Thanks, you're right and I'll take that into account next run
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>>738797297
It had more content than the original already and it's only getting better.
We'll probably get the other alternate acts before the end of the year and a new character.
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>>738799192
>Stat site says Ironclad has much higher winrate than Necrobinder
stat site says Ironclad has lowest winrate on a10
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>>738799313
Is the other necro gone?
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>>738797505
my bad... how the hell am i supposed to raise my ascension level on multiplayer thoughever
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>>738799313
Game is as dead as our necro
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>>738799192
necro is currently the worst a10 char
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>>738799670
Most people don't care. Just join anyway and ignore the snobs
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>>738799616
Damn, there are multiple stat sites https://www.sts2.fun/
https://ststracker.app/
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>>738799670
Just console command straight to A10
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>>738799192
That makes sense because ironclad is better than necrobinder. He's probably the strongest in the game next to silent after all the buffs since launch
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>>738799192
Necro struggles the most to scale her damage.
Her playstyle is usually to go turtle mode and let Osty get big, but the only payoff cards to Big Osty is your starter, and in later acts it falls off immediately because all enemies scale faster than you do.
Feels like she doesn't have any cards to counter this by herself, because you need to build an archetype whether you want it or not, and A10 separates the cards from their archetypes.
>Noxious fumes is a part of the poison archetype
Wrong
>Noxious fumes is a good card if you need an AoE solve, and it just to happens to combo with other poison cards like Bubble Bubble and Accelerant
Correct.
But if you want to play Necro you need your rares to lean you into picking certain cards, which naturally sucks.
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>>738797958
Bonafide.
>>738798665
Didn't go for keys so I guess I didn't beat the game. I ended up with a busted hybrid deck that had the full exhaust engine with corruption, dark embrace, and two feel no pains, but also some substantial strength stacking with inflame+, spot weakness, and limit break and whirlwind to cash in, and ALSO the block suite with barricade and body slam. Dead branch and that event relic that gives you a free power at start of combat let me cheat everything out, and on 2nd boss (timeslurper) I got lucky with free demon form as the random power.
>>738798680
You can do it! If all else fails snecko eye will eventually carry you like it did me for a couple ascensions.
>>738798891
Fuck that shitty robot. I've always sucked as him.
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>>738799670
you can edit the save file or use a console command I think
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>>738800058
>Strongest next to Silent
No way. Silent and Regent are the top tiers.
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>>738800058
>He's probably the strongest in the game next to silent
not when regent and defect exist.
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>>738800140
>>738800176
Regent is good but he's not silent and ironclad tier.
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>>738800213
>92% winrate
>not as good as Ironclad
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>738800078
*mummified hand, not dead branch
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>>738800076
The problem with scaling osty, is that it depends entirely on healing with Spur(or getting a lucky Electric Shrymp Reanimate).
They need to add another healing card for Osty, preferably common.
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>>738800264
Why are you lying about winrate? Post your run history so I can laugh at you.
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>>738800213
Regent is the best char in the game right now. He just filters low iq retards into thinking he's bad.
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>>738800337
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6a5zUvmZWI
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>>738800405
oh nevermind I just realized I'm arguing with a streamerbrained idiot. I'm basing my opinion off of 250 hours in STS2 and 50+ games on every character at a10. Keep parroting though.
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>>738800472
so let me get this straight. Streamer that has 500+ hours and 100+ games is wrong and you're right?
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>>738800392
He's really good but he's slightly worse than silent and ironclad. Ironclad is the true filter. People think he's bad because they are too low IQ to take advantage of all the buffs he got and cry about him being different from STS1. If 92% is possible on regent (and it's not, no one is uploading a full run history with that winrate) then 100% is easily doable on ironclad just by it being stronger.
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>>738800557
so let me get this straight. You have no opinion of your own and are just parroting what some e-celeb told you right?
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>>738799450
sts is also "rng game" that can fuck you up with poor draws and make you lose at bosses, that's not the reason dd2 fails. If anything dd2 is also a lot lighter on rng than dd1 was

the reason dd2 doesn't work well is because it's runs are way too fucking long for a rougelike formula.
Late confessions can take 4-5 hours, and if you are not using guides there will be tons of "knowledge checks" that can easily smoke you in the first times meeting them and just not fully knowing what to expect.
also in sts you instantly jump to the next location and can instantly land several attacks, in dd2 there is long ass pointless traversing animations and slow attack animations between typically 8 characters

the story was also lame, like they completely missed the appeal of cosmic horror despite nailing it so perfecctly in dd1. Cosmic horror is not supposed to be just "metaphoric"
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>chart autism
>streamer worship
yum
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>>738800680
>always pushes "I have better winrate than you" as proof his word is correct
>when confronted with opinion of someone who has more hours and better winrate than him(streamer) that it instantly doesn't count
hmmmmmmmm
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>>738800405
>Not even Xecnar
Shiggy Diggy
I like Caleb's guides but this one and his Ironclad one are shit
>So theoretically, you could get perfect draw against the boss, and have all the resources to play all your cards in one turn. So, you can win.
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>>738800850
Xecnar is an ESL faggot that plays pre-determined seeds
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Regent is lame and unspired
>card creation
Just making random overstatted cards and getting rewarded for it, minions are cool I guess, even if they are samey
>forge
most forge cards suck and are boring normal cards + forge
>stars
either normal cards that grant stars or overstatted normal cards that cost stars, nothing fancy, multiple repeats of his starter card
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>>738801031
He's honestly the most boring character because he doesn't have many routes he can go through. You see bulwark you always take it. You see child of the stars, you take it. Too many snap picks.
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steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244903571931/76561198091556171

hosting
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>>738801272
2/4
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>>738801272
3/4
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>>738801149
reflect is also insane
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>>738800557
why would you believe people encouraged to lie on the internet for views
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>>738800936
You keep accusing him of cheating without any proof at all anon, if you're so sure he's doing it surely you can prove it?
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Currently it's Silent > Defect > Necro = Clad > Regent imo. Regent to me is starting to feel very samey. Card creation feels like the only archetype that's actually consistent enough without strong relics. If you can find Block on Clad then he's better than Necro since he's not restricted by Lethality only working on the first Attack, but otherwise Necro has an easier time blocking while dealing damage.
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>>738800076
I think necro has a lot of ways to scale damage. Ending up with enough block/summon that your base deck unleash solves damage is just one way but she has plenty of other big hit attacks to take in case osty never grows. And sleight of flesh exists. I think it’s just surviving the early turns with her that is hard because, outside of your basic attacks and defends, everything she has is do stuff later cards like powers or put souls in the draw pile. If you draw bad and don’t have relics or potions to cover it you get hit.
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Personally, I'm just playing some of the better mods for right now. Freshening up the experience a little. Hong Lu's been the funny kind of busted, when you can get a build together.
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>>738799670
that's the first time i've seen someone complain like that, don't worry about it, keep joining lobbies
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>>738801860
Necro is kind of similar to Defect in my view. They both suffer the most in early turns to setup but once that's done they're basically immortal. And they both have issues with AoE so you need to pick specific cards to solve that aspect. Both want to remove all Strikes more than other characters and both are very good at Blocking and dealing burst damage but they're not Attack spamming characters. Defect is better atm because they overbuffed Shatter and the new boss makes Compact an S-tier pick. Necro also deals with the new boss well but doesn't complete trivialize it the same way Compact does.
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jorbs has such dumb takes on some cards. why the fuck would I not insta slam defy. It’s still the most busted block card that necro has without danse and relics active and putting weak on an enemy helps you block with danse and covers bad draws when you chain weak. Am I gonna skip defy to take a pull aggro when I have no danse? Fuck no. All of necros 2-cost blocks aren’t good block output without helmet/danse. 11 block for 2 energy is kinda bad and gets you hit a lot which is exactly what he says earlier for another card. Delay+grave warden doesnt even full block bowlbug duo.
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A10. We accept nothing less but picrel
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>>738802402
Also defy opens up banshees cry and sleight and pagestorm which are all incredible. Spirit of ash is good too. The other etherals are totally ass to activate any of these synergies.
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>>738802860
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244905776552/76561198045448277
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>>738802916
>steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244905776552/76561198045448277
we are currently on a1 brochacho
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>struggle to get a win Ironclad
>do a random run picking every strike card i find
>A10 in under 30 minutes
i dont understand this character
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previous lobby filled so fast I guess I can make another one
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>>738803412
3/4
will wait for 3 more mins
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>>738793325
I'm reading steam discussion threads and Reddit. How are people actually that stupid?

>oh this card could be good IF--IF-- you have the right relic, if you're going this build, if you can apply this Enchant, if you could play this card combo, then you can freely play that card
So retarded. IF I win the lottery, then I don't need to work anymore. They don't think about reality. Why would I pick a shitty card and try to mental gymnastics to justify its existence, when I could simply use a better card? Why do they always think this way? Why do they never read, or think beyond false reality hypotheticals? What causes them to be this way?
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>>738793637
Jorbs here, can i join your room?
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>>738803412
game crashed
rehost
steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244908351312/76561198102069257
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>>738802860
a10 multi is such a trip, final bosses either end up being hallway fights or completely crushing us
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>played a discard/draw deck with silent
>Act 3 boss is the new boss
>"Fuck I'm screwed if he's like Time Eater"
>Boss is like time eater except all he does is put a status card in your deck that does fuck all
Doormaker died for this? The fuck were they thinking?
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>>738805804
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>>738800405
The title is clickbait and is based off a 10~ish run sample.
I think I have a decent regent winrate (he's my best character by FAR) and I'm only at like 60something%.
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GG lads, we all had slow decks, lol
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ggs ty for block
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GG, getting replay on this is fun.
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thank to whoever threw me the blood potion during test subject. i was planning on using a duplication potion on one of my goopy blocks but i didn't end up needing it.
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>>738806669
has anyone ever got hidden gem on catastrophe?
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>>738801572
you fucking test it retard
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>>738806896
yes, it was glorious, and catastrophe played beat down twice
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>>738804236
Yes, its exactly like that except there are 20 winning lottery numbers and you know what they are and you can pick out of 3 numbers for each digit. But yes, just like the lottery
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>>738793325
NO
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>>738807140
I was talking about shitty cards, and about how literal retards will believe anything is viable and bring out insane hypotheticals that have a less than 1% chance of happening, rather than just admit the cards suck
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>>738803412
GG. I got carried lmao.
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>>738803412
gg
soaking enemies with strength debuffs never fail in miltiplayer. I had a good time smashing.
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>Burst+ and Apparitions
>Call of the Void and Pagestorm
>2 Banshee's Cries
>Pic related and lighter
Best ethereal deck I've ever had
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>>738807404
yea but it happens quite a bit where a dog shit card gets boosted by pure luck, you just have to be ready to seize the opportunity
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>>738807649
>modded necro
Gay and brown.
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>>738808017
silence, nigger
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>>738807965
> a dog shit card gets boosted by pure luck,
Momentum is a decent early game card and has archetype synergy.
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>>738808074
and? what are the chances of me getting hidden gem and momentum on it? could have been any fuckin card
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>>738807965
Momentum isn't even bad, I was talking about Eidolon and Howl From Beyond. You can literally take any other card and substitute it with whatever synergy they are talking about and it would outperform every time.
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>>738802860
GGs. Nice build Necro. Everything gets put in the cuck chair and does no damage build
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>>738800849
So you just repeat what someone else says and don't know how to play the game. Got it.
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>>738802860
GGs, Necro lowkey carried with debuff build.
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new lobby?
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>>738802860
behold a perfect support slut build
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>>738808374
it's kinda funny how Subject had at one point -51 strength, weak and debilitate
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>>738798027
>see class has a purpose
>enjoy said tool in the swiss army knife as intended
>new patch
>read patchnotes
>"Powergamers made a midgame boss trivial so we're nerfing this"
>check new numbers
>literally have to be a minmaxing powergamer and using unique trinkets to have the class be as effective as it was before
The only friends I know who had anything good to say about DD1 either completed it before Crimson Court, played with busted mods, or played with busty mods.
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>>738809079
I gave DD my best shot but I got filtered by the game part, call it skill issue but I thought it was too tedious for its own good.
Brilliant aesthetics and voiceover though. I like StS' art on its own way but DD visuals mog like crazy.
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>>738807226
She looks delicious
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>>738809294
Everyone was filtered.
DD is tedium personified.

I had the second or third darkest dungeon level eat all my heroes. I didn't want to spoil myself so I didn't look ahead but the entire point of those levels is you can't win without both counterbuilding a set of enemies found nowhere else in the game and taking the optimal route to the end.
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>>738809294
slay the spire has the kind of visual where when you find out a feminist went through it, and de-souled it, your response is "yeah that tracks."

Fill in this blank:
"Slay the Spire's visuals have a distinctly _______ feel."
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>>738809834
>and de-souled it
ah yes, famous sts sovlfull artstyle
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>>738809984
>it was always bad, stop caring!
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>>738809984
i mean to suggest that it is intentionally made soulless, including the first one. such that the final product gets her thumbs up.
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>>738809294
The shittiest thing about DD1 is so much of it is trial and errors.

>a boss has unique mechanic
>engage with it
>punish you for engaging with it - all your well-farmed heroes (4+ hours of progress) are gone
>ignore it and go dps racing
>win

>another boss has unique mechanic
>alright, I learned this. just burn it down quick
>this time, punish you for not engaging with it - all your well-farmed heroes are gone

Like, sure, surprise buttfuck can be exciting, Fromsoft do it all the time. But not at a cost of 4 hours each time it happen (which is did, all the time)
The game is alright with wiki open all the time. it sacrifices some genuine first hand experience, but at least it keeps the game palettable
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>>738810195
what about it is trial and error, wilbur aside?
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Defect is FUN! F U N ! ! ! it seems like it would be trivially easy for the architect to fix defect and flaw and have at least one of the slayers fuck off and stop bothering him
>>738809984
don't respond to bait anon
>>738810195
>The game is alright with wiki open all the time.
I think you just don't have a brain.
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>>738810356
frankly wilbur had context clues. if you didnt think to focus the little speedy fucker instead of the blob, after playing this level with its little disease faggots all over, thats on you.
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>>738803412
Where did clad get the sovereign blade?
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>>738810592
Hammer Time.
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>>738810592
from this slut
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>Unrelenting and Music Box
>Juggernaut and Prolong
Ironclad has fun combos
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>>738810481
well yea but that talking point makes even less sense for the other bossfights
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>>738810195
the only "jumpscare" boss mechanics are the cannon bringing most of your team to zero and swine prince not being completely self explainatory
the tier1 version of most bosses are otherwise pretty chill and you can figure them out

otherwise I agree that it would be best if eg. the notes you pick up could give you hints about shit like this

>all your well-farmed heroes (4+ hours of progress) are gone
that's just bullshit tho. It's easy to leave battles that are going badly, in shit cases you lose 1 hero, and in a rare very shit case you lose 2, but you have to be actually shit yourself to lose 4
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>>738809294
DD is really boring and I don't know what people see in it
>you visit all the areas in the first few hours and after that they barely change
>missions all feel samey
>characters outlevel missions so you have to bench them and level up new shitters to do them
>lost a squad? time to grind up a new squad if you want to attempt it again
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>>738810356
what to boss mechanic you need to engage with and what to not, is one of it
for example vs Hag. if you waste your damage trying to help your potted hero, she just re-summon it, the fight progress nowhere.
but on the Shambler, while you can also burst it down, if your team is not build on for that you need to manage some clapper claw before it get out of hand.

>>738811116
raising 2 heroes still take the same amount of time as raising 4, just that you get 2 extra after you're done. I guess it's fine since you want 12 heroes for the final dungeon, still, it's unreasonable time sink that the game force on you
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When it comes to console, will you guys still be here? Will you play with me?
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>>738811580
Yes.
No.
Just kidding, yes actually
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>>738810356
>curios
>boss battles
>size 2 enemies
>the treeman
>finding out dodgetanks are bad
>torchless
>torchless brings rewards
>torchless brings death
It's a complex, attrition based puzzle game with rote learning. Of course the entire thing is trial and error.
What anon is talking about is that when you make the wrong choice, due to being uninformed, as per the intent of the game designer, you're punished to the point where it's not fun.
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LET'S GO BOIS

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>>738811056
>Juggernaut and Prolong
how is that combo? You deal 6 damage for one card, that's not a combo, Prolong + Barricade is actual combo
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a10 get in here steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244920275400/76561198801173979
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>>738811707
:D
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>>738812065
2/4
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>>738811853
Do you think it's impossible to lose a darkest dungeon campaign and still have fun? Have you ever had fun on an sts run that you didn't win? My first ever DD campaign (pre crimson court) I played on normal mode and I lost three heroes - one to the shoggoth on the first level of the darkest dungeon, and two to the heart (its auto kills that are unavoidable without extreme leper cheese). I'm not bragging like this is some big achievement, the game simply isn't that hard on normal mode. I think you're overblowing the game's difficulty and attributing your shitter experience to the average player.
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>>738811431
>raising 2 heroes still take the same amount of time as raising 4
no it doesn't?
you are constantly spreading XP across your entire roster strategically, not leveling the same 4hero teams equally, you also don't want to overlevel anyone too soon as that locks them out from clearing lower level bosses
the game also gives you a couple tools to powerlevel heroes, like stagecoach, events, or just brining 1 low level hero to a higher level dungeon with a strong team

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Clone is so fucking stupid it's awesome.
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>>738812394
I think best description about DD is tedious
>STS
>runs are up to 1.5 hours
>if you lose because you met something new you don't lose anything outside that run
>every run new and fresh because of random relics, bosses, cards
>both macro and micro decisions matter equally to defeat fights

>DD
>your team you send into dungeon is preset by you with preset skills
>macro decisions matter far more than micro decisions
>you have kill everything three times with zero changes in bosses besides more hp/damage
>any loss due to bad rng can cost you hours of tedious grind

Imagine if every time you lost a10 run you got locked out playing a10 until you beat a9? This is level of tedium DD operates on
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>>738813146
>loss due to bad rng
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>>738813252
yeah you can lose a character purely because of several crits in a row.
I added it because I knew you'd be unable to actually defend games insane tedium so you'll attack "heh, you have to be good enough to never lose anyone"
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>grashopper stole supermassive+ in a deck where I have quasar, begon!, collision and pillar
this can't be happening
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>>738813506
>I said something dumb because I knew you'd disagree with it
Amazing. Losing a hero doesn't end your run. If you're losing enough to end a run, it's not because of endless RNG fucking. You're making excuses for your bad decisions.
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>>738813627
I hate that motherfucker like you wouldn't believe.
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>>738813865
>died to milipede right before the boss
I had no AoE but I still blame the hopper
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>>738813745
>I said something dumb because I knew you'd disagree with it
but I didn't say something dumb. You can lose a character due to string of bad RNG, if you deny this is even possibility you must operate on some INSANE level of cope.
>Losing a hero doesn't end your run
None said that, you're not even trying to address my point.
DD difficulty is built on top of tedium, tedium and more tedium. Loss is punished with tedium
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rehost sry steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244923267628/76561198801173979
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>>738814263
Managing attrition is part of the game. You're attributing the result of your many fuckups to "tedium." Funny that you bring up cope.
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Smith or tyranny? (Third option is make it so)
Tyranny is my favorite Regent card, but The Smith is good damage. I don't have the stars tho.
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>>738815028
Smith without stars or decisions is pretty bad. Tyranny can be useful all run and good against aeon.
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>ez run
>get to final boss
>queen
>lose

Man the rng on card draw is usually fine but if you get 9 “I need this” cards shackled back to back you kinda just die because strikes defends and a couple uncommons is not enough to tank 35 per turn
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>>738814465
are you actual retard or pretending to be?
We're discussing possibility that you can walk into a fight, all enemies deciding to attack one singular character and criting him. There's nothing in game preventing that from happening.
For that you're punished by running mind numbingly dull easy dungeons(for which you need to prepare new team because lol lmao other guys are too good to enter low level) to level a replacement.
This is nothing but tedium and that's majority of DD.
You're contorting yourself into a pretzel to avoid actual discussion which is why I'm saying that you're coping
>inb4 he does address anything AGAIN and just says "just play better lmao"
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>>738797924
Good job anon
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>>738815139
>flipping a coin is unfair because you could flip tails 7 times in a row, it's bad design
Yup, you're attributing your bad experience resulting from shitty decisions to "bad luck."
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>>738815391
Are you American? Only Americans have such insane level of reading comprehension.
If losing a10 in sts2 locked you out of a10 until you beat a9, would that be good game design? Because that's what DD is
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>>738800680
>In my opinion, Julius Caesar was a nigger. If you say otherwise you're a mindless drone that parrots historians.
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>>738811896
gg
4 orbits regent mogged the glasses so hard
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>>738815583
i honestly couldnt believe 4 prophecys werent enough to go infinite
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>tank saves the day
not many such cases
gg with a capital g
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damn, that was a dramatic run
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ggs, lizard is a bitch
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>>738815748
also special shoutout to the fortify pot
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Does this work? Like the copy is 0 cost with glam.
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>>738815748
thank god for it, I was dead that turn because I didn't have vuln for colossus if you didn't play it.
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Casul fun <6 asc lobby
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>>738815114
yea, card draw and removing strikes/defends are huge for queen. pandora is a good option
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>>738815203
Thx bruv
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>>738815953
I don't know but anger keeps one-time enchants when it copies itself
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>>738815953
It works. Every other instance like undeath and anger keeps the enchantment effective.
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>>738816104
2/4
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>>738816104
>>738816324
Misclicked, my bad lol
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>>738816104
>>738816324
rip lobby i guess
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>>738816450
just do 2/4
it won't be comfy though
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>one more elite for one more useless power
>bottom deck all my storms in the boss fights
I am the nigger defect and god hates niggers.
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>>738816449
3/4
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i think i just hate the silent, 7 runs, 7 times abomination and this dog ass of a character just doesn't have ways to scale 200 damage out of ass while blocking and not eat at least few wounds
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gg kino silent beacon of hope
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>Get Dominate turn .
>Wait for next rotation to get like 20 strength
>Dominate goes to the bottom of the deck and shows up just as Queen's minion dies.
Every time man. GG.
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A10 run
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>>738817116
im joining with the sole purpose of sabotaging this run. I wont tell you who i am but be wary
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>>738817116
2/4
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>>738817275
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Hit A10 on everyone but Silent, who I can't get past A6 with. She's incredibly bad. Regent like the strongest character to me.
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>>738817636
>not saving by saving foul pots
boring
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do I build exhaust every time to win on ironclad?
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>>738815497
maybe you should make up your own challenge run or cheat and keep save backups if endgame makes you that anxious. for me it's downloading 150 class mods, random hero start, and stukov's prison break (no stagecoach, but prisoner rooms can spawn in every zone). i get an event for a random party on week 1 and 3 but otherwise i'm fucked if enough prisoners don't spawn. to me that's fun because i usually have to do weeks 2 and 4 with afflicted heroes and it's a funny dramatic trainwreck with my units screaming at each other. no other game does tantrums and disobeying the player as well imo. you really feel the essence of existence in there. thanks to all that i get super attached to a run that gets off the ground or a party with miraculous synergy. every new unit i find is sooooo important and cool, every death is so tragic and impactful. otherwise yeah it's kinda like you said. if you have no intrinsic goal you can default to grinding infinitely or doing dark runs with level 0s and never care about anything and be upset when something gets in your way of the extrinsic goal of the i win screen or achievement at the end. caring can be rekindled no matter how much of a jaded metagamer you think you are though. i'm a natural optimizer but even i learned to enjoy making little weekly report segments with an llm in between dungeons to flesh out the last dungeon's drama and utilize all the story threads that a high variance game like DD is so unique in constantly throwing at the imaginative brain. maybe you enjoy doing that so much, you end up creating high quality hero or enemy mods inspired by the offscreen worldbuilding you start to build up. it was like that for me and kenshi, writing fanfic character journals while autorunning to places. it inspired me to learn fun computer stuff like blender and my mod's got like 60k downloads, pretty sweet and positive i think. just my tip of the day for any stagnated gamers.
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lets goooo
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>>738817990
have a pity (you)
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Still stuck on a9 everything. Can beat A5, when I'm just fucking chilling, semi consistently with everyone other than Regent. I don't get his ass at all.
Who else /bad/?
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>>738819364
wheres your pride as a man? Go get your glory
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gg
of course i drew my x30 pull from below on the intangible turn
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>>738820206
Cloak + dominate were fucking bottom decked so I feel you.

GGs regardless
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Having 2 Debuff Necros kinda makes it too easy. GG.
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ggs the lizard got diddled
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GG EZ fellas
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>>738815540
>retard doesn't understand primary sources
kek
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>>738806257
teach me your ways
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>>738825080
read xecnar's guide and do what he says. after that it's just micro.
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>>738819364
I learned to live with the bad ages ago. 1k hours in sts1 and never beat a20 once
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Sleight of Flesh couldn't be more broken even if they tried. What is this shit man. 35 stacks of sleight of flesh. Deathbringer + Transmutation (just with replay 1) did 140 damage AND it applied 52 doom and 2 weak.
Isn't spamming sleight and debuffs the best thing you can do with her? It feels like it. I kind of wish this was toned down a bit to make the rest of her stuff better. Runs where you don't get sleight or danse macabre and a bunch of ways to proc it are orders of magnitude more difficult in my opinion.

>>738825080
Sorry I was playing. I was going to reply but yes, it's basically this >>738826423
You can greedmaxx with the character which really fits my playstyle and way to look at the game. I'm too retarded to play other characters more optimally, that's why I only win that much with Regent.
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>>738799031
>Strength gain is gone
FIGHT ME!
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>>738827361
Transfiguring eradicate or pull from below is still my beloved
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steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244937406421/76561197997192985

LOBBY

I'm playing on 3 steam decks rn
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>Almost wipe to Aeonglass
>Perfect the Queen
Draw silent is still crazy with Corrosive Wave.
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>>738827361
Sleight of flesh runs get old because there is almost no micro involved, just play cards. Depending on on how strong you are you may have to consider skipping a sleight of flesh in your first deck cycle but once they’re in play you just click random cards and win.
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>>738827617
Ah yes she also has these 1 card archetypes which is kind of weird.
You got the one (1) hang? You get to play a hang run.
You got the one (1) eradicate? You get to play an eradicate run.
Otherwise it's a bit all over the place I feel like. The osty archetype is mostly a meme and there's barely any payoffs unless you get squeeze + sentry mode.
Doom is more than playable on its own but once again, sleight of flesh basically solves doom's biggest weakness which is having to block the last hit, since sleight of flesh kills immediately.
The payoffs for other cards require you to play said cards (pull does nothing without ethereal cards, no escape does nothing without doom, etc), but sleight of flesh synergizes with almost everything the character does or with cards that you mostly want to play (debuffs, AoE debuffs, weak sources, etc)
Same with danse, it solves block so efficiently I feel like whenever I get these cards working together the difficulty is lowered dramatically.
The more I think about it the more I feel like they're the strongest kits by a fucking landslide unles you get something giga retarded. Like this retarded run I had a while ago which was just the stupidest shit on earth, but it was mostly an ice cream thing.
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steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244939683383/76561197997192985

lobby for manifesting bird cards
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>>738828032
yea, i generally like ethereal just for the card creation. You can get up to 30+ hit pull from belows in a boss fights pretty easily
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>>738800328
Just buff the 2 cost card that summons and blocks
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Is there a way to only select specific ascension modifiers? I want A8, A9, and A10, but I don't want all the un-fun garbage from A5-7.
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>>738830585
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>>738830957
Explain to me how arbitrarily bricking a draw once per combat is fun or interactive.
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A10 lobby
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>>738830983
>explain fun to me
that's /v/ in a nutshell innit
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It's been 12 years and I still can't figure out what she did wrong
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>>738831692
Yes, but have you considered that there are now female characters in games that aren't designed exclusively for me to jerk off to? How can you not see that as a sign of western civilization collapsing?
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gg, game did not want to give me dance macabre
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>>738793451
>>738794106
Wokot game, please understand
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>>738829361
ggs i knew taking production was a good choice,
it literally saved the run.
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gg
had no clue what my deck was doing, worked for the most part though
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I need an Arsenal run on Necro since Call of The Void is also innate.
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>>738831692
>>738831790
No one is even discussing this shit ITT
God leftist shills are retarded
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>>738831692
>Go and say that video games should be gay and lame
>People get mad at her
>The people getting mad at her get co-opted and accelerated by outside powers, as do the people mad at the people getting mad at her
>It becomes a hot button issue
>People make video games gay and lame out of spite
>Millions of dollars lost, hundreds of IPs now worthless, counter reaction basically caused the current state of american politics.
It's more the fault of the orchestrators but her name is publicly available with zero research and she was part of the inciting incident.
Basically it's like she lit a leaf on fire in a forest and the illuminati came over and started pouring gasoline on it.
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>>738832314
Leftist? Would a leftist say nigger nigger nigger faggot?
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>>738794716
God dont remind me
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>>738833069
You don't fit in. Your handlers should train you better or just use AI.
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steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244946359120/76561197997192985

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>one mention in the credits
>endless seethe
how does she do it so easily bros?
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Not playing this woke slop stop shillling it.
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>>738802042
Redpill me on the ProjectMoon mods
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Just got this event for the first time and was 1 gold shy of the 300 gold option. Pretty neat event.

https://slaythespire.wiki.gg/wiki/Slay_the_Spire_2:Welcome_to_Wongo%27s
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Soon.
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steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244947382762/76561198801173979 a10 lobbo
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>>738835223
2/4
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>>738835223
Reminder 2-man multiplayer A10 is harder than singleplayer A10, harder than 3-man multiplayer, and harder than 4-man multiplayer
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Why is Hunter Killer so strong compared to any of the hard fights in Act 3? It's so strange.
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>>738835525
hes not you're just bad
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steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244948162069/76561197997192985

rehosting, I have a theory that drawing makes it go divergent more often
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>>738834631
what's woke about it
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it would be cool if you could spectate multiplayer runs if a room is full
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>>738836013
There's mega lagavulin and the rolling beetle that wakes up, but there's no awakened one this time
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I made it to a10 with ic… and the a9 deck I won with was powerful enough to beat 2 bosses…
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>>738793325
woke homo slop
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>>738835223
We lost because I didn't have enough attacks and Sunder fucking SUCKS outside singleplayer
Rehost please
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>>738836369
kk lets try again steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244948875154/76561198801173979
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>>738818203
MILK
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>Get demon mask
>Have gigantic dominate combo
>Buy Vajra from the shop
I still 1 shot the boss but it could have been so much more.
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Do you think it's fun to be forced to adapt your deck to every situation? Does it homogenize winnable decks?
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Wait this shit actually has multiplayer? How does that even work, it's a fucking deck builder roguelite?
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>>738838124
It dehomogenizes them away from synergy piles.
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>>738838417
Enemies get extra health and their attacks hit every player, run ends when everyone dies
Players take one big turn with their own energy pools and cards, and can use some stuff on each other
Cards are played First-In-First-Out so you wait to see if anyone pulled any debuffs before smashing all your attacks
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>>738836407
Bro I had zero scaling, you carried that whole run. My deck was TRASH
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>>738836407
gg really nice try, I was getting close so I had to use my stardust early, I probably could have saved it and done more damage
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>>738838515
Interesting
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>>738838930
You can join in any lobby, just copypaste the steam link into your browser
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>>738838990
Nah I don't have the game thanks though
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>>738839030
>I don't have the game
Then why are you here?
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>>738839074
he probably knew of sts1 and saw that the OP mentioned multiplayer
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I don't want any of this shit.
>Earring ruins my Gambling Chip
>Cape takes my HP lower than I want it and 3 extra cards fucks with my strategy
>Choices is the least bad but still nothing for me
Where's the thick barefoot girl with my free 999 gold?
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>>738839397
cape is amazing, paradox is at worst harmless, quicher bitchen
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>>738839397
Paradox is always the best default option he can give you if his other two are garbage
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>>738839556
>>738839453
I wish I had a real relic.
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>>738839702
oh, you're just retarded. my bad for engaging
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>>738822647
>primary source means it’s more important!!!!
>what do you mean those guys have more credentials so their words count for more?! That doesn’t count, stop quoting best players, they don’t know anything
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>>738839773
See that you don't next time
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>>738839826
if only you could have turned invincible that turn. too bad there are no cards that do that
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>>738839779
It's just sad anon. Try playing the game and thinking.
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>>738839702
>anime modder doesn't know how to play
grim
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>>738839702
you could have taken apparition and put soul's power on it. you would have taken 0 damage against mechanigger
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>>738840135
Sorry, pal. Retards don't turn invincible.
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>>738840150
>you need to believe me because i played the game more than you and have a higher winrate than you
>Okay but this other guy played even more than YOU and has an even higher winrate than YOU
>you're a retard for believing someone else for those reasons
man people who watch streamers are dumb fags but you are an unbearable midwit. your entire line of reasoning gives people reason to agree with streamers instead of you.
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>>738839920
no cause that would reveal my atrocious win rate
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>>738840150
Look at you, you played it and came to wrong conclusions. Isn’t that far more sad?
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>>738840191
Anime modder here, he just sucks
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>>738793325
Not playing your shitty woke slop game, fuck off and buy an ad.
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>>738839702
the default choice here is apparition. idk why other guy suggest paradox. (maybe because it has no big downside?)
people are willing to sac 50% maxhp to get 3 apparitions in StS1 if they can get away with it, you know.
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>tanx gives you free attack every turn
>Vaaku gives you one, not discounted, card at the start of a fight
>there’s uncommon relic that does same but makes it free
Choices Paradox is baffling me as ANCIENT relic, wow let me pick between 3 commons and worthless uncommon while Mecha Hitler hits me for 30
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A6 or 10 if you feel like you're a big boy BETA BRANCH

steam://joinlobby/2868840/109775244956246257/76561198143673966
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>>738841885
2/4
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>>738841971
3/4

6 or 10
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>have a deck that just rapes the game
>9 elites killed
>get to queen with a lucky tonic, retain, and a dex potion
>fail to draw damage even once in 8+ shuffles of my deck
>i die while she has 70hp remaining
My bad, I should have drafted more draw.
Oh, wait, I had like 7+ draw cards in a slim deck. Guess it doesn't matter when EXPECT A FUCKING FIGHT IS CHAINED UP WITH EVERY COPY OF POMMEL STRIKE+ I HAVE AND WHEN MY LARGE BOULDERS GET 3 BOUND AT THE START OF EACH TURN
YOU ARE AT THE COMPLETE FUCKING MERCY OF DRAW FUCK THIS NIGGER FIGHT
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>>738842835
There are some fights like that. You can beat some bosses without taking any damage, then a minute later you can get chewed up by some random bullshit because you can't get to key cards in time.
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>>738842835
23 niggerliscous turns of fucking drawing NOTHING RIGHT EVEN FUCKING ONCE
AND THE PITIFUL DAMAGE I WAS ALLOWED TO SHOVE ALL BEING WEAK
LITERALLY NOT A SINGLE FUCKING THING WENT RIGHT
NO USEFUL ARMA DRAW
NO BIG ROCK TURN DESPITE ME BEING ABLE TO FILL MY FUCKING HAND EVERY OTHER TURN IT DOESNT MATTER EXPECT A FIGHT, BLOCK, AND DRAW ARE ALL CHAINED XD PLAY BETTER XD
QUEEN IS NOT ATTACKING? OH HERE ARE 3 CHAINED UP LARGE ROCKS AND TAUNT TO PROC YOUR PAELS LEGION
OH BUT DUDE YOU SHOULD HAVE UPGRADED YOUR DAMAGE MMMKAY BECAUSE
CLEARLY
THIS
DECK
WAS
NOT
CAPABLE
OF
DOING
ANYTHING
DESPITE
KILLING
9 ELITES
AND
BLOCKING
60
EVERY
TURN
AND
DEALING
100+
DAMAGE
AS
LONG
AS
THE
DECK
DOESNT
COMPLETELY
FUCKING
BRICK
AT
EVERY
OPPORTUNITY
There is literally no point in playing this nigger game. Maximising value? Planning ahead? All of it is fake and fucking gay because your nigger deck will brick and waste 45 fucking minutes of your life anyway
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>>738843072
I could have won with that
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>>738843218
The seed's right there. Why don't you prove him wrong?
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>>738834785
Hong's the most 'complete' one, since Riensang is being put on the backburner for ArayaShu.
He's a better summoner than Necrobinder ever could be, and he doesn't even have to really use them. He can just go Rupture or focus on Shin.

I know I'd get bored playing him forever, so I'm probably only gonna do so many runs with him so I don't ruin my gameplay taste like the chinks, but I'll admit pulling this infinite off was funny.
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>>738839702
>>738839397
BTW Earring and gambling chip is an amazing combo. You get to use gambling chip before Vakku plays, and Vakuu always just plays cards from left to right, so you can mulligan your first hand and force him to play certain cards.
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>>738843646
>You get to use gambling chip before Vakku plays
Well, shit. I figured it would override it or he would auto decline to use it.
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Any lobbers?
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>>738841885
>>738842081
>>738841971
bravo lads, the final boss was less threatening than the elite trio !
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>>738842835
>Draw all your attack during block phase
>Draw all your block during the attack phase

Many such cases!
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>>738843872
Had a lot of trouble staying alive but my damage was fine. hesitating if quadcast was truly worth or a shrimped shockwave would have been better
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>>738843072

you sure it isn,t simply skill issue?

From here, looks like skill issue
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They really need to buff Necro next patch because she's starting to feel like the worst character in the game now with how much they overbuffed the other characters. For some reason they're so eager to fix one of Silent's very few bad cards Blade of Ink into an overtuned monstrosity but have been doing everything in their power to nerf Necro into the ground when she too has a bunch of useless cards.
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The Regent is simply too fun.
Vakuu almost managed to screw this run up, but the pantograph saved me, and 5 energy was too cool to pass up on.
Btw I hate knight trio because they exhaust my blade.
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>>738844114
I find this character the most boring. Too 1 note.
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>>738844114 (me)
Also check out this beautiful friendship, courtesy of primastic gem
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>snecko eye with lethality x2 + instinct reap/banshee cry
>still manage to lose
time for bed
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>>738844141
How can is it 1 note when you never know what random bullshit you get to throw at the enemy?
One combat dough created Gambit and Prolong, and Vakuu immediately played them. You don't get interactions like this with other characters
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>>738844264
>snecko eye banshees cry
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>>738844141
Regent runs feel so samey right now desu. Him and Necro feel like they're having this issue where they have only one very consistent archetype, everything else have a lot of trouble scaling / ensuring consistency with draw order.
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>>738844320
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>>738843072
You want me to take that seed and beat it on A10 instead of A8 to show you how wrong you are
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>>738844265
Because he uncommons that are so good you always grab them. If you see reflect, you take it. Same with bulwark. He's extremely samey. You can *try* a sword run but if you don't get the cards you aren't gonna beat a3 bosses, it can be done but you're gambling.
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>>738844461
I don't take reflect cause I rarely have stars. Same with that aoe card. I like his commons more desu
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>>738844557
You're winrate most likely.....REFLECTS that decision
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>>738844557
Reflect only costs 3 stars it's pretty takeable even without star gen though. You do need some star gen to keep using it consistently though in longer fights.
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>>738844557
>>738844668
You should always be taking star gen with Regent anyways. What the fuck else are you playing?
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>>738844390
beating the fucking seed doesnt count when you know what relics you'll get and what bosses you'll face shitstain
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>>738844713
this: >>738844114
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>>738844728
I THINK EZREAL OWES ME SEX
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>>738844753
Stay mad then bro, don't forget to blame the game while playing on baby diaper poopoo difficulty
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>>738844870
what are your sts1 acension 20 streaks at nigger?



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