What I hate the most about the NuFF7 demake is how they butchered the world. It's literally the FF15 world meets the FF13 world. It has none of the original atmosphere of the dying dilapidated world you feel sorry for. Instead everything is "cool" and slick now and you're going on a super fun high-tech adventure on your segway. Absolutely disgusting.
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Smash looks more like FF7 than FF7R does.
>>738806540super trvke. nomura sabotaging.
OG FF7 only looked bleak near reactors
>>738806540Correct.It's no longer the 1980s' "dystopian near-future dieselpunk" vibe and setting, and many things are glossed over. Even whitewashed.The fucking Wall Garden being a goddamn mid-20th century European downtown, with Cabaret and shit, is just insulting.
>>738806540I dont think you played the original. It was also completely tonally inconsistent between locations
>>738806672dumb zoomer
>>738807429>can't even get the name of the location right
>>738807429>dystopian near-future dieselpunkLiterally only Midgar had that aesthetic
>>738806540OP, you're an uncouth trash baby.
>>738807643It's literally part of the entire civilized world of FF7.You got leaky pipes, oldschool vehicles, Ghibli airships, and even remains of ancient war mechs lying around.
>>738807118no idiot, it didn't look bleak only in a few choice deliberate locations to contrast the bleakness
>>738807578retarded zoomer
>>738807429>a goddamn mid-20th century European downtown?
>>738806540TRVKE. This makes zoomers seethes as they haven't played the original and think the demake is good because they are tasteless subhumans.
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>>738807828Nibelelheim also has a bunch of pipes on the buildings in Rebirth. It's the same.
>>738807898I'm older than you. Your opinions are from youtube videos.
You guys had better arguments when you were just posting that fucking elevator
>>738806540>It has none of the original atmosphere of the dying dilapidated world you feel sorry for.
>>738806540>It has none of the original atmosphere of the dying dilapidated world you feel sorry for.Absolute fucking retard. One of the big points is that too many people were totally oblivious to what was being done to the world, This is literally an eternally core issue with getting anyone to care about environmentalism.
I don't remember Costa Del Sol looking bleak and dying
>>738807904Why did you get this photo of 1960s Amsterdam
>>738806540>Instead everything is "cool" and slick now and you're going on a super fun high-tech adventure on your segway.The remake staff has zero vision or respect for the original material and it shows. Bunch of nigger troglodytes
>It has none of the original atmosphere of the dying dilapidated world you feel sorry for.
>>738808048>old rusty prison under the opulent casinoWhat's the issue
Wow Remake haters are actually coping retards aren't they?
Of all the things to be made about with Rebirth the art direction is not one of them
I actually think they did well with the landscapes. We still gotta wait for part 3 for the final verdict though.
>>738806540Say what you will about time jannies. That's not the case. The world in rebirth is littered with dilapidated abandoned homesteads with remnants of military camps and shoddy buildings. Even the resort time is falling apart. Everything has a veneer of being improved by shinra while fraying at the seams.
>>738808583Demake shills are literally brown gentlemen from Calcutta.
Only place that looks like ass is Cosmo Canyon during the day.
>>738808808You shouldn't refer to yourself in third person.
>>738806540Costa Del Sol never looked like any of the shit you said you fucking retard NPC
>>738808808https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/Y8oJJcrez5TfAqTvmil7ug/
There's a heavy disconnect with FF7, how it's presented, and the nostalgia golem people have built up for it that they based their perceptions of FF7 on.I don't think there's any greater example of this disconnect than the Remake games, which show what the devs of the original FF7, think of FF7.
>>738806540>It's literally the FF15 world meets the FF13 worldActually, thats a perfect description of FFVII in general, to be fair.
>>738809019I feel if he's shameless enough to post it the first time, shaming him with the 27 other times he's posted it won't have much effect
>>738809156>>738809019Still seething and not engaging.The demake is a god-awful FF15 knockoff, outsourced to India, with a fanfic-sequel story + shittons of woke slop on top.
>NOOOOOO MY OPPRESSIVE HELLSCAPE ATMOSPHERE
>>738808921Damn, take a look at the atmospheric downbeat slow burn in this picture.
Hi Seb, how is the revenue from youtube today?
The fact that we have multiple threads a day about how shit the ff7 remake was proves it's a success... somehow
If the world everywhere actually looked visibly fucked to such a degree, that is a sign it is probably beyond saving which defeats the point in wanting to save it because it'd be too late at that point.
>>738809443This is the fakest image I've ever seen in my life.
>b-b-but what about costa del sol????
>>738808770Exactly. The only thing I don't get is where everyone lives lol. Hundreds of random NPCs/Tourists but there's like no town towns.
>>738806540>They see me rollin'>They hatin'
Remake and Rebirth are not the same game go fuck yourself
>>738809770FF7 still had lots of undeveloped land that people could move to and try again, it's just everywhere everyone was already living had become cancered up.
>>738806540Agreed. Hard to agree that the planet is dying when everything looks sleek as fuck
>>738809545To be fair, just to the left of that screen are two surfers debating whether to risk raping Aerith and Tifa or not.
>>738806540I agree but the moment to moment gameplay was really fun (rb only)it's the CW version of the game
>>738808048>>738808527They retconned the prison being Old Corel. Now it's employee housing that got abandoned and Old Corel is in a completely different place so you don't feel awkward about playing minigames on the grave of Barret's family.
>>738806540I'm tired of pretending the remakes aren't worlds better than the original, teebeehaytch, I'm replaying OG 7 now and it's such a slog. I'm also playing it alongside Star Ocean 2 and that game mogs 7 in almost every way.
>>738812327bait used to be believable
>>738811805The problem is that in the original context it makes almost no sense. In the remake they state that at first, the gold saucer was a musem, which then evolved into the gold saucer. A museum set close to Corel makes more sense, which explains the location.
>>738806540Irrefutable.
>>738812513>The problem is that in the original context it makes almost no sense.How does it not make sense? Shinra wanted to build a theme park next to a new reactor so they burned down Corel to make room. It's the new context that makes no sense. Now they burned Corel down for no reason at all except to be evil.
>>738812512The combat is objectively better in the remakes, oldfag.
>>738812663>Shinra wanted to build a theme park next to a new reactor so they burned down Corel to make roomWhat the fuck are you talking about, the corel reactor is far away from the gold saucer, they didnt need the room to build it. Plus, the gold saucer doesnt belong to shinra. In the remake they actually explained why is the gold saucer the way it is. The entrance is no longer next to the backwater that is north corel, thats the employees entrance, the people get there by chopper from costa del sol. It was built up from a museum, which explains the keystone and why to begin with, it is built there. >Now they burned Corel down for no reason at all except to be evil.The corel reactor exploded and they blamed it on the people of corel, did you even play the original game or did you forget?
We don't really have shitposters thinking they know better than Nomura do they? Most industry vets can't even measure up to his character designs visual or writing wise. What makes an anon think they can?
>>738812968>What the fuck are you talking about, the corel reactor is far away from the gold saucerNo it's not. It's right down the train tracks. You literally walk a handful of screens from the reactor to get to Old Corel which has the cable car up to the Gold Saucer.>they didnt need the room to build it.They did, which is why they burned down Corel. That's the whole reason they did it.>Plus, the gold saucer doesnt belong to shinra.It does.>In the remake they actually explained why is the gold saucer the way it is.They didn't explain anything, they completely rewrote it to avoid having fun and games on top of what used to be Barret's home.>It was built up from a museum, which explains the keystoneThe keystone was already explained by Dio being a collector. They didn't need to rewrite the entire origin of the Gold Saucer.>The corel reactor exploded and they blamed it on the people of corel, did you even play the original game or did you forget?I've played the original game many times, and apparently you haven't because you're confusing Remake canon with the original. The reactor didn't explode in the original. Barret and Dyne were coming back from inspecting it and found Corel in flames. Because Shinra wanted to clear the area for the Saucer. Keep your mouth shut if you only know the remake.
>>738806540You're aware the dying parts of the world is in certain pockets and the cities are thriving because they're sucking mako out of the planet?
>>738813253Barret (narrating)That's how the Corel Reactor was built..... and completed.We all thought it would bring us an easier life.The scene changes to show Corel in flames.Barret (narrating)It happened when Dyne and I were out of town for a few days.Corel was burned down by the Shinra troops.All the townspeople... All my relatives...... Everyone... everything......CloudShinra troops? What for!?BarretThere was an explosion at a reactor.Shinra blamed the accident on the people. Said it was done by a rebel faction.TifaThat's so terrible!BarretWell, I guess that's true. But more than Shinra, I couldn't forgive myself.Never should've gone along with the building of the reactor...
>>738806540Yeah
>>738813321try playing the game zoomer
>>738809048Get a job.
>>738806540its complete trash garbagetheres noway anyone with iq over 120 who played the original during its time thinks its good
Remake hate is just slippery slope fallacy, you couldnt even formulate an actual review of the game so you went straight to "yeah you're not a true fan of the game if you haven't played the original". As if somehow people have to choose between either.I'm done even appealing to reason with you people, you're just bitter cunts.
Remake and Rebirth are too open ended. Not enough cluter
>>738813774>I'm done even appealing to reason with you peopleDon't kid yourself, you were strawmanning remake critics from day one.Don't forget to ask everyone who calls it kino to formulate actual reviews, anon. Or is it only critics who need to do that? Praise it and you don't have to explain. Criticize it and you have to explain - but also no explanation is acceptable.
>>738813361>>738813253Since you are probably stumped that you forgot this, the story of the gold saucer in the original isnt really much there other than Dio owns it. The gold saucer was owned by Shinra, it wasnt built by Shinra either and Corel didnt get destroyed for it.
>>738806540The problem seems to be that it looks more like our futurismthan the futurism of the 90s that they used in the original.And, as you say, that being the case, it looks like another world.It doesn't look like FF7 world.It does feel more like FF13 and 15 than 7.On top of that, not just the environments, but all (or most) the atmosphere and feeling,it looks too glossy and neat and bright and detailed, that there's nothing to imagine.In the remake, the people living in the slums, even the main characters,some wear rich-looking designed clothes (like the kids at the beginning of Kingdom Hears 2.)>It has none of the original atmosphere of the dying dilapidated world you feel sorry for.People have already distorted this sentence. But I guess you meant the music and everything.In the remake trilogy, they are ruining the music.In the remake there's blood around on the floor sometimes.The Midgar Zolom in Rebirth is modern anime Kaiju slop. No blood.And if they were going to put Sephiroth over and over, why didn't they just make him a main playable character?As when you play Shadow in Sonic Adventure 2.
>>738813552Forgot to quote OP there
>>738806540what's with slants and segways? the newer yakuzas have that shit too
>>738806540gaming is dead
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>>738806540BIG
>>738814949It's a vehicle that wouldn't look out of place on a sidewalk. Lost Judgment used a skateboard, which was weird for a 50 year old man to do sick tricks on, but it's still not as silly as a segway.
Sometimes I wonder whether people actually played the original.
>>738818537what are those ruins in the 4th pic? are they anything or just some scattershot UE assets dropped in for no reason
hopefully in the next one they put even more flying enemies this one only had like 80% of the enemies in the air at all times i felt that wasnt enough given that the combat totally fucking sucks and doesn't work in the air
>>738818865From what I recall, the explanation was that there were more settlements and buildings and shit in the area around Kalm, but they got ravaged in the war. Some of the buildings were also used as military bases. You can also see some old abandoned remnants of military vehicles as well. Rebirth is littered with remnants from the war or abandoned construction projects. Kalm and Midgar are connected by a freeway, but it's largely been abandoned and unmaintained. Cars are no longer used to go between towns and cities, and deliveries appear to be done mostly by airship, which seems crazy wasteful but that's kind of how Shinra's portrayed in the remake games. The reason the chocobo business flourishes so much is because the few travelers that move from town to town primarily use them to get around, as due to poorly maintained, incomplete or the complete lack of roads makes most land vehicles utterly unusable. Rebirth places a little bit more emphasis on a war that preceded the Wutai War, the war between Shinra and the Republic of Junon. From what I recall, this war was never really alluded to in the original game, the concept only first surfacing after Advent Children.
>>738809048I just like it for the occult angelpunk vibes
>>738819728It pisses me off so much that people criticize these games dispite all the new road lore we got
>>738806540OG also had that strange mix of comfy fooling-around activities and grimdark end of the world apocalypse with the planet dying anyways plot. demake fucked up midgar from the start, darker tones were too bright, and it was clear the rest of the locations outside midgar would also suck, I think the word "sanitized" for normie plebs fits well for the demake. I was laughing out loud when the party visited cosmo canyion, they made it into a fucking mass-tourism location.
>>738806540FF7 was always silly as fuck with serious moments. Costa del Sol was a silly, fun, vacation beach place. Rebirth did an excellent job portraying exactly that.
>>738820373Is there anything you felt it didn't do well?
>>738807025I don't think so. He has very little to do with the micromanagement of the game. It's more the FFXIII guy's "scenario" team coming up with really lame B-characters. He also made all the new Wall Market characters like Andrea, the finger-sex lady and the Chocobo Cowboy mobster guy. And it's the FFXV team zoomers who have no idea what to make except things like this, and for the sake of development they have to allow that.Toriyama talked about how Wall Market in FFVII Remake Part 1 was the most satisfying part to make, because it felt like "how we made the original" because after a long argument with Nomura and Kitase he convinced them they should reimagine the whole section.
>>738820373>Rebirth did an excellent job portraying exactly that.no it didn't, dumb zoomer
>>738820167I think something that a lot of people gloss over in regards to the original game is that, if you think about it, FF7's worldbuilding is a bit incomplete compared to what you'd get in previous titles. If Shinra was originally an electric power company prior to becoming a global dictatorship, then there must have been a nation that the company operated in prior to taking power. These ideas never come up in the original game, even though logically they must have existed.
>>738820373look at the brown girls with green bikini, are those supposed to be black people or? Whites can't get that tanned.
>>738820639This is why it's so upsetting when people criticize the remake games. It's like they don't appreciate all the new lore we get to fill in the gaps in the incomplete original.
>>738818537What you posted makes me want to change Cloud in the overworldfor Crash Bandicoot from the first Crash game.
>>738820669>white people cant get that darkYes you can, its called bronzer
>re-release a game>three times at full price over ten years Lmao no
>>738806540>Cloud not even half an hour after Aerith dies
>>738806540There is SOME merit to what you are saying but your extreme autism and hyperbole completely undermines your argument.Cosmo Canyon was somewhat ruined by turning it into a tourist hotspot rather than a genuine spiritual retreat.Nibelheim is not as eerie anymore now that it's being transparently used as a Shinra-operated medical treatment site rather than being a full on potemkin village.Everywhere else is the same as before. Most of the reason the original might feel gloomier is simply that the camera is usually pointed down and you rarely see the sky.
>>738821141The japanese need to catch up. If Naughty Dog were to remake FF VII there'd be half an hour of Cloud farding and shiddying himself as he threw up after beating Jenova Emergent.
>>738821000Ffvii launch msrp was 39.99. Put on the greatest hits catalog for 19.99 soon after
>>738808512OG kalm felt much more magical and mysterious.In Remake it's just a central european city
>>738823041I don't think that was intended. There was nothing special about Kalm at all in terms of setting. It might just be because it's perpetually night in Kalm, whereas it's impossible to visit it at nighttime in Rebirth. I think a lot of locations would feel radically different if you could regularly visit them at different times of day.
>>738821663dumb reddispacing zoomer
>>738823425Kalm was a uniquely dark blue city and the buildings looked more medieval in OG.
>>738806540True and irrefutable.
>>738823575Yeah, but again, I don't think it was intended to be more "mystical" than other locations. Like I said, it's a totally normal town in terms of setting and lore.
>>738823530I've been here since likely before you were born. I played FF7 on release.
>>738823698I care more about my own experience than lore desu
>>738818537Kino vs clutter
