Yes, we should.
>>738807224We should stop building love?But think of all the cute little girls
>>738807224I agree anon. Send me your contact info so we can get in touch
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/DiscoElysium/comments/109djty/my_favourite_quote_in_the_game/
Fuck off bunkertroon
>>738807224We need to break this communist/capitalist paradigm. You can bitch about the ills of communism and I wouldnt disagree with you but capitalism isnt any better. All the reasons we were told communism is bad havent gotten better under capitalism. Instead of breadlines we have stores filled with expensive product as our wages die. At least with breadlines the person who woke up at 5AM and got on line first has their rations. Now we can all starve together while the rich bourgeoisie wine and dine and dont give a fuck. In the big picture theres no difference between the two.The communist capitalist paradigm only divided the lesser folk against each other while the rich are extracting wealth from the lesser folk. Eat the rich.
>>738807224Would a commie really say that real communism has been tried before
>>738807224No, we shouldn't.
>>738807224love has worked out for me. skill issue
>communism = lovewat
>>738810820Can you read?
>>738810674there is literally nothing the left likes more than criticizing the left
>>738809297It may have to dawn on you that fascism is the best and most pragmatic version of communism and no leftie ever wants to admit it.
>>738810820We share everything in communism, just like how in love we all share your girlfriend.
>>738810861Yes but the analogy is too apologetic for my tastes.
>>738807224>When was the last time you saw yourself represented in a game?
>>738807224The life of the species, both in man and in animals, consists physically in the fact that man (like the animal) lives on organic nature; and the more universal man (or the animal) is, the more universal is the sphere of inorganic nature on which he lives. Just as plants, animals, stones, air, light, etc., constitute theoretically a part of human consciousness, partly as objects of natural science, partly as objects of art – his spiritual inorganic nature, spiritual nourishment which he must first prepare to make palatable and digestible – so also in the realm of practice they constitute a part of human life and human activity. Physically man lives only on these products of nature, whether they appear in the form of food, heating, clothes, a dwelling, etc. The universality of man appears in practice precisely in the universality which makes all nature his inorganic body – both inasmuch as nature is (1) his direct means of life, and (2) the material, the object, and the instrument of his life activity. Nature is man’s inorganic body – nature, that is, insofar as it is not itself human body. Man lives on nature – means that nature is his body, with which he must remain in continuous interchange if he is not to die. That man’s physical and spiritual life is linked to nature means simply that nature is linked to itself, for man is a part of nature.In estranging from man (1) nature, and (2) himself, his own active functions, his life activity, estranged labor estranges the species from man. It changes for him the life of the species into a means of individual life. First it estranges the life of the species and individual life, and secondly it makes individual life in its abstract form the purpose of the life of the species, likewise in its abstract and estranged form.For labor, life activity, productive life itself, appears to man in the first place merely as a means of satisfying a need – the need to maintence In both respects, therefore, the worker become
>>738810674>Would a commie really say that real communism has been tried before
Redistribution doesn't have to be unjust. People always assume it does. Limiting the 0.01% is the only way, assuring a healthy base level for even the most unfortunate.
>>738810930It's not an analogy, it's just a joke reply between yourself and your commie brain>communism hasn't exactly worked out but neither has love, you want people to stop loving? Exactly, so communism rules!That kinda thing.
Regardless of what goes on in your head, the only thing of political consequence you really do in this game is (potentially) stop one labor massacre
>>738807224>>738810945>>738811197Damn, I really wish we could get another game like this. And by "like this" I mean with similar gameplay and construction, yes, but also possessed of its own individuality, like DE, which means: not a DE clone that screams "look, I'm Disco Elysium" in your face all the time.And, of course, with an interesting setting and without nu-writing.
>>738811134Hence Christian Democracies actually are the only ones with actual benevolent economic models.
>>738811306You can also get abducted by the New World OrderAlso isn't it implied in some of the endings that the police and union are both part of some conspiracy to overthrow the occupation, and intend to recruit Harry into that if you turn his life around? Or was that a supplemental lore thing
>>738811495Bwahaha ok goylem. Even though the first communist communities were christcuck
>>738810820>getting your face value political takes from videogamesIt's used in the narrative to illustrate Harry's coping mechanisms for his love life being in shambles.
>>738811631Isn't that pretty much a LARP? Imagine being a real circle of precinct cops in the USA and saying they're gonna join up with the local dockworkers' union and overthrow the entire world order.
>>738812004*you're
>>738807224this gay ass behind-two-ironic layers writing needs to die
>>738808717Thank you for your service. This shithole is such a travesty.
>>738811414Never ever. DE's writing was unironically a once in a generation thing, which is why it's so fitting in a Disco way what happened to the developers immediately after release.
>>738812004They can't dismantle the Coalition but they can at least hope to kick them out of Revachol. If I remember, part of the reason behind the strike and why Claire is trying to hardline total Union control of the docks is to enable/expand smuggling real weapons in to arm a militia
I genuinely don't get why they canceled the Cuno game, sure it sound silly at first but then you look at the stuff that was released and I'm just dumbfounded. They had gold and they canceled it for reasons unknown, and instead they are doing a new franchise which just will stay in the shadow of DE. It had a lot of work put into it too, it wasn't canceled at the start
>>738808717>/109djty/>109Environmental storytelling
>>738809297Except I can afford to buy things, as you clearly can too given that you have a phone/computer capable of posting on 4chan, so I'd say we're both much better off in an economic system where we aren't standing in bread lines.
>>738807224>8 days till next kino
>>738810945this *is* *good writing*
>>738813309It's releasing in 8 days? Damn there's zero marketing around it
>>738813309Cool premise, will probably be mid at best.
communism works in small scale. An extended family living together in a commune or tribe, for instance. they need to be ethnically the same though. and it crumbles the second there's a big enough falling out. capitalism is the only thing that can build a modern nation of humans though.
>>738813454Zero parades, you mean
>>738813932>they need to be ethnically the same though
>>738811816was the writer using it as a coping mechanism when he said hail marx at the game awards?
>>738814223>when he said hail marx at the game awards?He the what now?
Politics are fake and gay. Materialism is the rotten core of what's destroying the world, and until we get rid of that, nothing's going to change for the better.
>>738811197idk why fascism is hard to understand for academic types. first its the "fascism is violence" narrative of the 60s-80s. now we have "fascism is when you hate women"
communism is bad because?
>>738814317"Fascism that doesn't hate women" is like "Communism that doesn't hate the rich"
>>738813234you can get a cellphone capable of posting here for free from the government
>>738807224Should I play this game?
>ideology pushed by delusional NEETs like Marx and Lenin doesn't actually function in the real worldDamn who could have guessed that 2 people that have never worked in their lives didn't know how to run an economy.
>>738814223Everything is coping. Nothing can be said or done in earnest with intent of self expression according to the average cuckchanner. No idea has value, prosperity is not real, and you're were born to die, "enjoy" your "stay".
>>738807224What is it about communism that people can go full retard and just ignore every time it has been tried and failed? It's like it's got a built in excuse every time it leads to a despotic leader and party gaining power, ruining everything, and later collapsing but oh, that wasn't real communism. That was just "leaders name"ism, totally different.
>>738814687It should be a decision either way.It's forced labour or following your vocation in life for me personally
>>738814848I'm just wondering what new idea comes next since America is collapsing embarrassingly. Surely capitalism is at fault for its failings, we're not making excuses for systems that fail here, and we can't recycle dead ideologies, so what is next?
>>738814317>>738814415But the commies hate women too?Have you actually read Marx? He calls women whores who should be fucking everyone instead of being pimped out to or by their husbands.
>>738813932>a modern nation of humansso progressive
Is everyone here fat and gay?
>>738814956Old school imperialism, given what the CCP is doing in Africa. It's not even being subtle about it, they've been making little Chinese colonies in Africa at the expense of the locals but nobody really cares to notice.
>>738814981>Have you actually read Marx? He (penis music follows)
>>738810820It's Rhetoric being rhetorical, it's what he does. He argues like a fag all day. It's impossible to discuss this game because people don't get that Rhetoric, Volition, Drama, etc. are all basically characters with their own personalities and bits. They're not soapboxes for the author and half of them are assholes that will get you into trouble if you agree with them too much.I wish /v/ would actually play the game. This is spelled out when you create your Harry. The more you invest in a skill, the more it appears, and investing too strongly in a skill can have unintended consequences. Maybe people would get it if the game kept its original title, "No Truce with the Furies." The Furies being all of the voices that popped up in your head.
>>738815159yes. and autistic, can't forget about that. including you of course
>>738815638https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/comm.htm
>>738815774This may be the most convoluted and pretentious way I have ever seen someone call all women whores.
Is the game replayable a lot or is most of it always the same?
>>738815774I just find Marx's thoughts of freeing humanity from the horrors of capitalism by reducing all peoples into economic units without family, race, nor identity incredibly ironic.
>>738816040It's pretty much the same besides your dialogue leading to different results, you get a different quest depending on your idealogy but the main plot is always going to go through the same paces. Still I got like 4 playthroughs out of it because I like the dialogue but I see most people saying they wouldn't want to replay it
>>738814415That one's a good quote ngl
Private property is more efficient than centrally managed property. If there's no private property, eventually all humans will spend all their time fighting, arguing and pleading for property.
>>738809297""""""""""People"""""""""" (aka (((people)))) have convinced the world that there is capitalism and communism, and they form the opposite ends of an economic spectrum, and are all that there is and can be; this is a falsehood which only offers people the choice of whether your life is ruled by crooked billionaires or crooked party officials. The real spectrum is a market economy vs a planned economy. Planned economies that had nothing to do with communism were the norm before the industrial revolution came along and capitalists tore down all the traditional structures. Kings and feudal lords would decide what gets built where, what gets produced where, who trades what with whom, the prices of goods etc, all to keep things running as smoothly and stably as they could.
>>738814536God Bless capitalism
>>738815774based truthtellerif they knew anything about their idols they would hate them
>>738810820That's a voice in Harry's head and Harry can't stop thinking about his ex-wife no matter the situation.
>>738816202That kind of individuality is basically irrelevant to the vast majority of Marx's arguments because he's discussing economics (or in that quote the male/female dichotomy and economic classifications therein) and not Life, Liberty, And The Pursuit Of Happiness; basically you're finding it ironic that the term "reach for the stars" has nothing to do with space travelHe's being a ponce about it but the crux of that passage is that Man isn't separate from Nature and male-female conflict or relationship imbalances are as much an economic construct as they are a societal one, along with marriage being conflated with economy and the practice being used as a societal control, completely separate from marriage's function as an actual male/female partnershipTl;dr Marriage as an economic up-sell, and nothing in Marx's work is concerned even a little bit by where Your Feelings As A Free Thinking Individual come into play, because Marx is autistic and really doesn't give a shit if somebody who conflates capitalism with their own freedom of expression or personal identity has grievances with his economic theory
>>738809297>capitalism isnt any betterNah, your post falls apart here. Capitalism is infinitely better.
>>738816686>Harry can't stop thinking about his ex-wife no matter the situationYou just gotta try harder.
>>738814415I really fail to see why you think that.
>>738808717based rat
>>738810878Fascism sucks dick at doing anything but instating an autocracy
>game brushes very wide ideological strokes where you'd have to beat the game multiple games and still likely wouldn't see it all>somehow this game keeps getting called a commie game even though it is easily dismissed and never seen again and will even become anti communist if you let itYou didn't play the game or develop sapience, you are just flesh to be consumed. Begone, hylic.
>>738816659It is astonishing the amount of people who praise communism and Marx without actually trying to understand communist or Marxist thought. Marx isn't a builder. He's destroying everything and thinking somehow this will result in something perfect. Remind you of anything? >>738816727His economic theory insists for the lack of self and personhood to begin with. That's where it falls apart. He is asking humanity to cease being human. A state without state. This is outright impossible.
>>738816727He was wrong about economics in the 1870s he’s even more wrong today idk why we still give a fuck about this dude outside of history but academics just love to jerk him off for some reason.
>>738816894Haven't played the game, but it's clear that the fanbase is full of communists and dev team seems to have been too. The game honestly looks interesting in a lot of ways and seems to be about Harry coping more than just politics, I'm just saying the association between the game and communism isn't just coming from people who haven't played it. It's very popular in leftist circles.
>>738816947>His economic theory insists for the lack of self and personhood to begin withNo, it doesn't, this is a total and complete strawman. "Marx wants to turn me into homogeneous gray slop" is one of the oldest and probably still dumbest criticisms of his work and is so utterly outside the scope of the argument that you may as well put on a clown nose and tap-dance
>>738816998He sold them a pipe dream they're still chasing. It's as easy as that.
>>738817029>haven't played the gameStopped reading, you will be judged accordingly for your deception and alterior motives beyond simply playing videogames. Go back.
>>738817052Not an argument.
>>738817029>this SMACKS of COMMUNISM>haven't played it btwThe game actually jokes about people that think like this
>>738811414>>738812867Alexis Kennedy's new game is in a similar vein and will probably be of comparable writing quality.
>>738816727>>738817052What is it with leftists and this specific posting style?
>>738817148having an argument longer than a tweet?
>>738810878Which implies you trust any one person with that much unchecked power. I suppose it really depends on whos in office. If Obama were made King no doubt you would be eating your words.>>738813234Ill admit that early stage capitalism was pretty sweet but the amount of unchecked plutocracy and lack of accountability make it destined for failure. Removing the gold standard and never opting for periods of deflation meant we were perpetually kicking this can down the road till the next bigger crash came. Now the house of cards is collapsing. Gas is averaging $5.75 around the country and our economy almost perfectly mirrors Weimar Germany. Are you proud of your country now?
>>738816894It’s not a commie game but a nihilist game where all paths are equally stupid but some are more stupid than others. The theme is that being an ideologue is just another form of cope over the human condition. Of course, fans of the game who should understand this continue to be ideological fanatics anyway.
>>738817052Except it's true. He advocates for the abolition of family and therefore identity. "Working men have no country."
>>738817285Most 4chan guys get filtered out of Disco Elysium purely because the right wing options make you take a morale hit, regardless of it being because nationalism for a failed country means yeah you're gonna be pretty down in the dumps
>>738817092>Stopped reading, you will be judged accordingly for your deception and alterior motives beyond simply playing videogames. Go back.I don't need to play the game to make observations about the people surrounding the game. Fanbase demographics and personalities on the team aren't the game itself, and thus are fair game to discuss even without playing the game.>>738817128Is there actually anything wrong about what I said? Are you denying the game is popular among leftists, or that the devs were leftists?
>>738816894I mean, it does lean communist. Infra-materialism is shown to be real. But you're right in that the game isn't the tankie propaganda it's often made out to be. /v/ just hates reading and will find any excuse to not do it.
>>738817329I think they’re just not interested in another political piece of media where the right wing options are bad actually considering that’s been every piece of media for the past 80 years. You could say this is the direct result of trying to advertise this game as having some clever political insight. If this was just sold as a character drama mystery with some meta writing perhaps discussion would be better.
>>738817338>I don't need to play the gameThen you don't belong on /v/, videogames. Now leave. You are not and will never be a gamer, you are a gross offense to meaning itself. Opinion discarded. I will not respond further. You lost and got raped.
>>738817490For grown men who consider themselves the heritors of power and The Old Ways, they fucking suck at taking criticism of their political direction
>>738817521I'm playing Trails in the Sky SC as we speak.
>>738814668Why not?
>>738817490Not to mention its idea of fascism is retarded lefty shit that fails to realize how much overlap there is with Communism
>>738817490>where the right wing options are badThey're not bad, they're hilarious. You just don'r have the mental fortitude to be an Icebreaker.
>>738817265>tfw no immortal God-King who only has his subjects' best interests at heart
>>738817329Disco Elysium is essentially Liberal Bible Thumping.
>>738817531How so? You can’t get a public education in America without receiving criticism of a right wing political direction. By simply exiting in culture you have probably absorbed every criticism of right wing thought under the sun.
>>738817531>hurr durr, you hate womentruly scathing and worthy of validation
>>738817490So you're saying they're little babies that can't take a little criticism? Fragile little snowflakes who need their safe space? Interesting...
The writing on this "game" is terrible. Manhunt has better dialogue than this.
>>738817612
>>738817612>Disco Elysium>Liberal
>>738817637wut
>>738817706yes
>>738817521>can't actually respond to the content of an argument>asks like a clown and lashes outCommunists and fascists consistently act in bad faith like this. No respect for the truth or honest discussion.
>>738807224Gay woke nonsense that tried to market itself as a cop game because they knew nobody would buy a gay politics simulator.
>>738817661>on
>>738814305This post was good. Not as great as my post(s) from ~ an hour ago but only second to mine overall.
>>738817734You don't even know what "liberal" means. You're in way over your head. DE bashes on liberalism even more than fascism.
>>738817490>another political piece of media where the right wing options are bad actually considering that’s been every piece of media for the past 80 years.We should preface this conversation with that this is the way it is because the American right wing is also conflated withCORPORATE DICK RIDING AND EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANITYWhich everybody fucking hates; until American conservatism divorces itself from these two things, that's never going to stop, and both those things are so entrenched in the American right wing that it would be tantamount to a completely different identity for itself and is probably not a possibility without everybody in the American right wing zeitgeist just magically dropping dead
>>738817772>Harry gets the best ending if you just ignore politics and focus on solving the case
>>738817706Nothing is more liberal than pretending to be a communist while doing exclusively capitalist things. DE and the story around its development and studio takeover is the most liberal possible.
>>738807224>Commies start putting pamphlets in and and around neighborhood>Street is now completely littered with red confettiHaving kurd neighbors isn't all bad it seems, they hate commies with a passion.
>>738817858American conservatism divorces itself from corporate dick riding and evangelicalism when pigs fly, hell freezes over, etc.
>>738817858>CORPORATE DICK RIDING AND EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANITYHave you paid any attention in the past twenty years?Genuinely asking
>love hasn't worked outFucking what? Is this actual communist argumentation?
Reminder that Volition is a skull and the "Crown" is the top of his head blowing open.Suicide King.
>>738817858If everybody hated evangelical Christianity than it would not exist. You have to acknowledge that a large portion of the country has those religious beliefs. What you mean to say is, “the people responsible for creating cultural products hate them” which is more accurate.
>>738817879It's funny how communist groups tend to fall apart in the same ways as communist countries.
>>738817980>>738816686
>>738817980No, it's the psyche of an extremely broken man trying to cope with losing the love his life by being a communist
>>738817768>content of the argument admits they don't have direct experience with the topic and merely took it on faith from someone elseHe didn't play the game, therefore he like the anon said, lost and got raped. Maybe play the game next time before trying to open your mouth on it. You are allowed to hate it only after you have played it. These are the rules of this land and they will never bend or change for your arrogant ass.
>>738818030many such cases
>>738814284the people receiving the awards thanked Marx and Engels for giving them the necessary political education
>>738818049He wasn't talking about the game itself. Try actually reading the posts. If you continue posting like a clown that can't read, you can be dismissed as a clown.
>>738817858You have thousands of movies and TV shows where it’s stated multiple times that communism was right and the most we have for “fascist movies” is Dirty Harry lol
>>738818102It was also an event hosted by The Muppets which means anybody who takes them seriously for saying that is the biggest rube on the planet
>>738818030The same could be said of all the political paths. That's something that a lot of people who haven't played Disco Elysium don't get. Even if you strip all the dialogue and commentary away, all of the ideologies in the game are being mocked by virtue of Harry being able to become their strongest soldiers.
>>738818142A "fascist movie" would be obscenely boring, mostly a middle-aged man bursting a blood vessel in his head whenever somebody talks back to him and he has their family assassinated later
>>738817861>Getting shot in the diner after dicking around talking about politics with ugly weirdos is the best endingThat's stupid. You don't solve shit either you just wait for the trigger nothing you do in the game advances the case. He just fucking appears, and confesses.
>>738818150So the other award winners who gave heartfelt speeches shouldn’t be taken seriously either?
>>738818102yeah without them there wouldn't be communism to make jokes of
>>738817983Finger on the Eject Button, my beloved.
>>738818181Yes, correct
>>738818113Next you'll say: "if he's not talking about the game, he shouldn't be posting on /v/".However, the post is about a game fanbase and a game development team, thus still being on topic for /v/.
>>738818113Did you, or did you not play the game? I don't need reading comprehension other than a yes or no. I can make a flow-chart if you really need one. This isn't complicated. Nobody ever on any topic on any board on any context at any point in history is allowed to indirectly have an opinion on something. You either play the game, form an opinion, or you get mocked and dismissed for clearly not being able to follow rules even your dead sophists could figure out.
>>738818215Sure why not, you're already looking for reasons to get upset so here's another
nearly every disco elysium hatepost makes it very clear they have not played the gamenearly every "wow disco elysium is the best game ever" post also makes it very clear they have not played the gameyes I am a radical centrist how could you tell
>>738818246>>738818256NANI!?
>>738818202See what I mean?
>>738818212>figure out where the shot came from>go to where the shot came from>turns out the guy is still there>because he is also a broken man trying to cope with loss by being communistABSOLUTECINEMA
>>738817991Evangelicals aren't human. Also drop the Christianity, because they aren't Christian either.
>>738818305>doesn't answer the questionSounds like someone got raped HARD.
>>738818150the writers are obviously marxists anon, it's that education that allows them to have a precise view on all ideologies and then mock them in genuinely funny ways, you can just accept that and still enjoy the game.If you play Outer Worlds, a game written by liberals, you'll definitely cringe at their portrayal of different ideologies because it's evident it's all vibes based and there's not much actual knowledge behind it. DE knows, its portrayal is honest and down to earth, which makes the parody work and be memorable.
Why can't Chuds make a game as good as Disco Elysium?I would play a game that is a far right ethno-nationalist manifesto if it was as funny and emotional and Disco.
>>738818346Unhealthy obsession with rape.
>>738818307Ackshually he's still there because the hole in reality and the magic bug have been mindraping him for years.
>>738818401Chuds are allergic to sincerity.
>>738818473more than one thing can be true at a time
>>738818401Chuds kinda fucking suck at creative works
>>738818490Yes, but so are tankies.
>>738818490Disco Elysium is probably the least sincere game ever
>>738818404And yet you still refuse to conceed despite either having not played the game or refusing to answer if you have played the game or not when the entire juxiposition and very axiom of all discussion relates to that very simple question. If you legitimately believe you are allowed to hold opinions on games you have not played then I am going to make sure you don't enter heaven even at the cost of my own soul. You are evil, flat out if you have concluded you are correct by abstaining of that game playing.
>>738809297Capitalism is strawman invented by Marx.
>>738817612the most disgustingly evil people in the game are liberals >The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is *control*. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.
>>738818561Can you say Roman Polanski is a pedophile rapist without having seen his movies?
>>738818540In what reality?
>>738818401It would be too vulgar for you. I am not in favour of libs or chuds byetehway
>>738818580How many millions of people have centrism killed exactly
>>738818592I don't know who that is, and likely haven't seen his movies so I have no opinion on the matter. I hope if you pull this same trick on /tv/ they rape you just as hard.
>>738818401>Why can't chuds make a piece of shit?I try to make at least one every day, but maybe I need more fiber
>>738818638
>>738818640>I don't know who that is, and likely haven't seen his movies
>>738817858>until American conservatism divorces itself from these two things, that's never going to stop, and both those things are so entrenched in the American right wing that it would be tantamount to a completely different identity for itselfThat happened, it's called MAGA. You can call them idiots for believing the New York billionaire was actually on their side, but the movement isn't just Boomer conservatism under a different skin.
>>738818540Harry's whole deal is pretty clearly deeply personal to Kurvitz
>>738818606Write about communism being dumb. Win an award "Thank you Karl Marx and Friedrick Engels."
>>738818640It doesn't really matter if you know or not. If you saw evidence that he was a pedophile rapist, but you haven't seen his movies, would you have to disregard the evidence you saw?
>A communist, Kurvitz has a green-gold bust of Russian revolutionary Vladimir Lenin on his writing desk, which he claimed formerly belonged to Estonian Soviet writer Juhan Smuul.[28] "I guess my favourite thing I like to say about this is that for me it's just a wholesome tradition. It's about loyalty, it's about the country where I was born. This is how I was raised, this was who I was told to follow, and I would be a naughty revolutionary, kind of an edgy rebel, if I wouldn't have Lenin on my writing desk."[2]The Estonia is made up of beet and onion slop eating Hungarians who polished the cocks of German horses for 1000 years before being elevated to sapience by the USSR.
>>738818738Something deeply personal can still be insincere if the person in question has no soul.
>>738818729Corporations and evangelicals are MIGA's biggest supporters. The entire movement is centered around corporate kickbacks and fealty to Israel.
>>738818716I don't google things to correct myself mid argument, its called being authentic. Was the blade runner continuation one of his movies? I saw that, but I know absolutely nothing about anyone behind it other than ryan gosling being in it.
>>738818580I felt like that was a comment on NATO during the balkan war
>>738818729Yeah I actually am going to call them idiots for believing the New York billionaire, loan shark and eternal non-payment expert who couldn't even be bothered to write his own book on "the art of the deal" was somehow the fucking Great Awakening against how corporate-friendly conservatism in America is
>>738818729>fell for it again award
>>738818794Someone without a soul would be unable to express this level of pain through art.
>>738818741Retarded or american?
>>738818772That is irrelevant here. You're comparing criminal acts and trying to somehow stretch it to be applicable to the knowledge of a media's content.
>>738809297>capitalism isnt any betterFactually untrue.
>>738818958It's entirely relevant. The posts you were replying to weren't about the media's content, but about the creators and consumers of that media.
>>738807224Love works out all the fucking time.
>>738816998Good bait never dies
>>738814317It's mostly because they are so accustomed to calling everything they don't like fascist. Fascism is quite simple. Authoritarian nationalism within a capitalist economy.
>>738818857it's a comment on Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Laos, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Indonesia, Panama, Nicaragua, Niger, South Africa, Palestine, Lybia, Syria, Korea, Peru, Venezuela, Colombia,
>>738817858>CORPORATE DICK RIDING
>>738819003Incorrect, read the reply chain again.
>>738819035Everything that I read about this guy just paints the picture of him being a massive troll. If he was alive today he would most certainly have a Twitter account that the VP would be following.
>>738819037Were you going for the triple word score with that post?
>>738819071Wow anon for a second there I lived in your shining world were corporate politics weren't extremely performative
>>738813045The reasons are that they kicked out part of the staff who had "shares" in the company due to one of the investors of it doing a hostile takeover of ZAUM, the other bunch who were working on it left because they didnt want to work with that new board.ZAUM wont continue this project because all of those devs left and they likely are fighting over the rights for Locust City to this day.>>738813454The only marketing they did was plaster an ad onto the main menu/pause menu ui for DE.
>>738819071YEAH SURE IS WEIRD THE MEDIA AND BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES STARTED PUSHING IDENTITY POLITICS RIGHT AFTER OCCUPY WALL STREET
>>738819071You're not making the point you think you're making.
>>738819074I did, and my observation checks out. If it helps you, I've copied the original posts below:>post 1>Haven't played the game, but it's clear that the fanbase is full of communists and dev team seems to have been too.>The game honestly looks interesting in a lot of ways and seems to be about Harry coping more than just politics, I'm just saying the association between the game and communism isn't just coming from people who haven't played it. It's very popular in leftist circles.>post 2>>>738817092>Stopped reading, you will be judged accordingly for your deception and alterior motives beyond simply playing videogames. Go back.>I don't need to play the game to make observations about the people surrounding the game. Fanbase demographics and personalities on the team aren't the game itself, and thus are fair game to discuss even without playing the game.>>>738817128>Is there actually anything wrong about what I said? Are you denying the game is popular among leftists, or that the devs were leftists?Now, addressing the content of these posts, do you actually disagree with any of it?
>>738818934Stating facts
>>738819071how are those two pictures related?
Left and right should just destroy every government everywhere, together.You are all so unenlightened.
>>738819128wut
Why do literally all Marxists support unlimited scab labor immigration if they are defenders of the working class?
>>738815638>>738815774This is really fucking embarrassing for you.
>>738819216>haven't played the gameStopped reading there, man I love raping you. I don't even have to try at all here. I could be dementia ridden and coked up with everclear and still win this again. Easiest poopdick moment I've ever had while playing videogames this year.
Pirating their games is the only moral thing to do, no matter if you are a commie, nazie or liberal. The game tells you this.
>>738819259Government should exist enough as is necessary to protect people's basic rights and defend from foreign threats
Reminder that Pol Pot went to university in France where he was fed a bunch of insane bullshit by communist professors leading him to go back home and enact a government so inept it had a greater mortality rate than the Black Death.
>>738819317do go into detail anon
>>738819343What game are you playing right now? You seem to be posting on 4chan, and not playing a game. Curious!
>>738819431Baby steps rn, wbu?
>>738819371Don't misunderstand me, I am a accelerationist with anarchy as my preference. I couldn't give a toss about these mental gymnastics you and others conjure up as " necessary "
Thoughts on the upcoming ZAUM game? It comes out in 1 week
>>738819520You can just say "I am a retard" instead.
>>738819520>I am a accelerationist with anarchy as my preference.
>>738819374
None of you have read the Italian elite theorists and it shows.
>>738819553Man you suck at discussing.Bro just go play videogames. Do what you tell others to do.
>>738819520>I am a accelerationist with anarchy as my preferenceYou have to be 18 years old to use this website.
>>738819650I don't recall telling anybody to play videogames.
>>738819580You should look up the connections that Castro had as well. Real interesting stuff.
>>738819668You would be surprised.
>>738819071Huh I wonder who could be responsible for that sudden shift on activism policies right after they finally started calling out the top 1%
>>738818816>The entire movement is centered around corporate kickbacks and fealty to Israel.The average MAGA supporter didn't see it that way.Now that the Iran fiasco made them realize they were duped, I wonder who they'll turn to next. Tucker Carlson? That would be funny.
>>738819749>Iran fiascoAttacking Iran is the best thing Trump has done.
>>738808717I'm cheesed to meet you
>>738819317Marxists famously love when democratically elected left-leaning governments are toppled so that workers will be forced to illegally relocate to America to be exploited.
>>738819749whoever jingles some keys in their face next, I imagine
>>738818401Living for nothing but vulgar ignorance and hatefulness doesn't lend itself to being creative or interesting, shockingly
>>738816894Literally the way it treats both communism and every other ideology reflects the thinking of a communist who can make fun of and criticise themselves and other communists. The entire text slants this way if you actually pay attention.As the game presents it, the problem with every other ideology is that the ideology itself is in some fundamental way bad, and the people who want it want bad things and have bad motives, whether they're conscious of it or not. The problem with communism is that its difficult(but perhaps not impossible) to make it happen, and that communists are often personally goofy or conceited in characteristic ways, but communism as a state is repeatedly and earnestly presented as a beautiful idea, the only ideology presented in that kind of light-but not a tragically impossible nice idea, one that is probably possible. The better communists are clearly the people the game has by far the most positive view of in how it discusses and treats them. No other ideology is criticized by way of saying its just a shame that its adherents can't get their way and have been up till now completely defeated for all their heroism and genuinely good intentionsThe creators of the game have explicitly said they're marxists. This wouldn't be seriously debatable if we only had the game to go on, its certainly not debatable when the creators have explicitly and publically said you're wrong.
>>738819776>just two more days until the special operation is over bro
>>738819616I only read fiction unless its related to physics or religious history. Dead sophists who had ideas of how the world worked have only harmed the world with their retardedly stunted ideas. Philosophy is something you figure out when you're 12 and build up from as a fundamental, not a life passion for you to study. Nobody has their shit figured out and anyone claiming to is a flat out liar. You will not manipulate me into parroting some dead nigger because someone decided his opinion resonated with them. Now quit coming onto 4chan /v/ to load yourself up with altier motives other than simply enjoying media from an open minded and neutral perspective. I don't come to /v/ to discuss communism and I don't want to keep seeing disco elysium games not talk about the game, I just want to talk about the game. Communists are all retards who should kill themselves, and all anti communists are also retards who should kill themselves. 4chan won, oldfags won.
>>738818401Esoteric Ebb gets pretty damn chuddy if you play as a nationalist
>>738820009There is nothing to talk about because the game amounts to “pathetic idiot loser who ruined his life by being a pathetic idiot is a loser” and no one ever wants to talk about gameplay so you’re left with this.
>>738819943Death of the author voids all of what you are proposing. Close 4chan and just play some more games, lilbro.
>>738809297Communism doesn't work because it concentrates power in the hands of a few who then oppress the majority. Capitalism allows power to accumulate in the hands of some few, but not all power rests with them, not even the majority. There is a massive gulf between the two. For a communist state to work it would require a hugely decentralized government which is extremely antithetical to the basic premise of communism.Could you operate a communist nation? Yeah, but you would have to artificially create it, every communist state has arisen through violent revolution which means they all start with pwoer in the hands of the military. You cannot overcome this obstacle and communism is a naughty word because it has fucked up so many times. Just make a new concept and take some good bits with you.
>>738820136His post doesn't require anything about the authors thoughbeit, he's legitimately analyzing the content of the text inside the game.
>>738820130But that was kino, I loved the pathetic loser balding protagonist. He was literally me. Inland empire is still my favorite skill to main.
>>738820136>directly analyzes the text without referencing anything about the author>DEATH OF THE AUTHOR
>>738820183Have you read this thread at all, like Lollmao evenYou would have to be blind to not see him jerkjng himself to his own made up talking points or "arguments"
>>738820323see >>738820316
>>738820224I am not an alcoholic and I have basic social skills so I was not able to relate to Harry as a character as much as the writers intended me too it seems.
>>738820136The concept of Death of the author isn't a magic spell to make people stop calling you a retard. That's not what it means or how it works.
>>738820152>Communism doesn't work because it concentrates power in the hands of a few who then oppress the majority.Step 1: Dictatorship of the ProletariatStep 2: ???Step 3: Classless Society
>>738820397You sound autistic. Just close your eyes bro
>>738820350I'm not only an ex alcoholic but I have even experienced the type of amnesia the protagonist developed as well. So I'm sure you can imagine why it resonated even more deeply with me, despite my political neutrality.
>>738819776How?>>738819850Here's the thing: At some point, their leader isn't going to be controlled opposition, it's going to be a guy who actually believed Trump's rhetoric and will fight for "America First".This is why I believe the Iran war was a disaster for the Boomer right. They had the MAGA guys under control because, no matter how little things actually changed for the better, "their guy" was in charge. Now the mask is off, and MAGA is loose.Things are getting very, very interesting in the coming years.
>>738820491Problem being the "Proletariat" cannot simply govern themselves, they are busy working. So they elect or appoint representatives to rule. Those representatives then invariably stray from only ruling for the good of their citizenry, because surprise you've given somebody incredible power and riches.
>>738807224>It was real. I'd seen it. I'd seen it *in reality.*>The mask of humanity fall from capital. It has to take it off to kill everyone, everything you love, all the hope and tenderness in the world.>It has to take it off. Just for one second. To do the deed.>Then you *know.*>That the bourgeois are not human.I can't imagine reading this shit and getting offended by it. Some of the hardest goddamn lines in vidya.
>>738820152>Capitalism allows power to accumulate in the hands of some few, but not all power rests with them, not even the majority
Marxism is retarded anyway because it’s final form relies on us finding a way to become post-scarcity or generate infinite resources which is just never happening ever.
>>738816659I beg of you, read Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State to get an actual analysis of women and their position in capitalism, along with a diagnosis on what communism should strive for in regards to gender dynamics. >>738814981weird that you got that from this, since Marx is providing an analysis of existing gender dynamics rather than determining how these relations should be.The salient point is that gender relations are downstream of material conditions, thus the relationship of men to women change based on the development of productive forces and the changes that this development brings. Marx doesn't actually give a shit about how people fuck, he just diagnoses(along with Engels) that eliminating private property and bringing social equality to women while socializing their labor and historic, "natural" duties will also change men's sexual relations to them.>>738820152>Capitalism allows power to accumulate in the hands of some few, but not all power rests with them, not even the majority.Bro please come back to the real world, where every decision made by capitalist governments exists to maintain bourgeois profit margins and the neoliberal order>every communist state has arisen through violent revolutionCapitalist states, historically known to arise peacefully(read a book for the love of god)
>>738820632Oh yeah I'm agreeing with you, it doesn't work. The classless society part never happens.
>>738820717how do you figure anonhow do you conclude that from Marx's writings?
>>738820717>it’s final form relies on us finding a way to become post-scarcity or generate infinite resourcesThis is one of the first critiques against capitalism Marx makes in the communist manifesto. Which you would know if you knew even the first thing about Marxism.
>>738820617MAGA is held together by the commitment to Dear Leader and little else. It's going to implode the second he bites it.
>>738820641
Mercantilism and protectionism are the future. Who knew that old systems are the best?
>>738820838reaction, reaction everywhere!
>>738820717and capitalism is totally sensible because it doesn't rely on extreme abundance and an assumption of infinite resources, and definitely wouldn't fall apart the second actual scarcity set inoh waitshid :DDDDD
>>738820632we just take it turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week
>>738820802 (me)Adding onto this, one of the main points of Marxism is that resources AREN'T infinite and thus need to be distributed in a way that allows people to live instead of being funneled to 1% of the population.
>>738820906kind of the gist of what Lenin writes in State and Revolutionthere's nothing divine about a public servant, you can train people to do that job without having to elevate them to pseudo nobility status.
Regardless of your view on anything honestly, things will accelerate into the worst possible dystopia imaginable. It's just a matter of time.And we will get there since progress can't be stopped.
>>738820880that's globalism actually
>>738818580Reminder that you American "conservatives" also are liberal.
>>738821017globalism is capitalism's final form
>>738821017You're going to want to sit down for this...
>>738821038I'm not american or a conservative, but I agree
>There is a word very commonly used these days: "anti-communism." It's a very stupid word, badly put together. It makes it appear as though communism were something original, something basic, something fundamental. Therefore, it is taken as the point of departure, and anti-communism is defined in relation to communism. Here is why I say that this word was poorly selected, that it was put together by people who do not understand etymology: the primary, the eternal concept is humanity. And communism is anti-humanity. Whoever says "anti-communism" is saying, in effect, anti-anti-humanity. A poor construction. So we should say: that which is against communism is for humanity. Not to accept, to reject this inhuman Communist ideology is simply to be a human being. It isn't being a member of a party.
What's that quote? Every critique of communism is just describing what capitalism already does?
>>738821137Sounds like a dumb quote
>>738820152>Capitalism allows power to accumulate in the hands of some few, but not all power rests with them, not even the majority.buddy
>>738821178and yet it keeps happening
>>738820825When someone describes prose as "hard" they're not saying its scary. Its clear you just don't know what its like to read.
>>738821137>In different places over the years I have had to prove that socialism, which to many western thinkers is a sort of kingdom of justice, was in fact full of coercion, of bureaucratic greed and corruption and avarice, and consistent within itself that socialism cannot be implemented without the aid of coercion. >Communist propaganda would sometimes include statements such as "we include almost all the commandments of the Gospel in our ideology". The difference is that the Gospel asks all this to be achieved through love, through self-limitation, but socialism only uses coercion. This is one point.>Untouched by the breath of God, unrestricted by human conscience, both capitalism and socialism are repulsive.
>>738821214Not really
>>738821094You do realize that's not an actual critique, right? That's just a lot words for>gommunism is le scary :(((
>>738821261it happened multiple times in this very thread
>>738821302Actually, I may be mistaken and will reconsider.
>>738821217The prose is retarded. You don’t even know how the meme works.
>>738821069>>738821072once I hit post i expected these, but I'll stand by my naivety
>>738821264Considering he was in the gulag for 8 years I think he has every right to describe it as scary.
>>738821094There is a word very commonly used these days: "anti-capitalism." It's a very stupid word, badly put together. It makes it appear as though capitalism were something original, something basic, something fundamental. Therefore, it is taken as the point of departure, and anti-capitalism is defined in relation to capitalism. Here is why I say that this word was poorly selected, that it was put together by people who do not understand etymology: the primary, the eternal concept is humanity. And capitalism is anti-humanity. Whoever says "anti-capitalism" is saying, in effect, anti-anti-humanity. A poor construction. So we should say: that which is against capitalism is for humanity. Not to accept, to reject this inhuman capitalist ideology is simply to be a human being. It isn't being a member of a party.
>>738820816There's enough people out there going on about how he "betrayed MAGA" for it to be a simple cult of personality.The ideology is not going away anytime soon. The question is whether they'll be fooled by another false prophet or not.
>>738807224National Socialism is the middle way between capitalism and communism.
>>738821485Good thing nothing bad or scary ever happened to anyone in a capitalist country
>>738821264>gommunism is le scary :(((It legitimately is. As is fascism. Masses of people consumed by what is essentially hateful madness and lies forcing others to follow along is terrifying. It's rational to fear forced conformity and mass suffering.
>>738821437>you are a capitalist who needs more money>to get more money, you need more customers and more resources>expanding your operations to encompass the globe provides those things>you do so>you now have access to customers all over the world, and can extract resources from a million miles away>congratulations, you have achieved globalism>let's hope a senile old man with access to nukes doesn't do anything to upset the delicate balance you've spent the past 80 odd years trying to build, ha ha that would crazy
>>738821527its time as a unified movement is done once he dies. There'll be a bunch of people without a fraction of his charisma jockeying to take his place, and it'll just lead to splintering and factionalism as everyone tries to claim the title of "Real MAGA."The Sunni-Shia split of American politics, if you will.
>>738821621>Masses of people consumed by what is essentially hateful madness and lies forcing others to follow along is terrifying. It's rational to fear forced conformity and mass suffering.how I feel when I see someone who doesn't earn over 100k using talking points from a billionaire's $57 million dollar investment in propaganda to kill a 5% wealth tax
>>738821616The BLM riots were nowhere near as violent and destructive as, say, the Cultural Revolution. And that is just one example of the many many communist policies that have led hundreds of thousands to be dead. Like dead dead. Not just struggling to pay rent.
>>738821659getting resources to fellow republics on other side of the world also requires vast investment and the last part can happen regardless of the supposed economic system. it's what I mean, relying on infinite resources being able to fuel a global economy is globalist inherently, regardless of underlying motivations.
It’s interesting that any critique of communism is met with an implicit accusation of being a capitalist, bourgeoise, or reactionary. Perhaps indicative that communists view communism not as an economic policy or philosophic view but as a spiritual belief that must be defended in some vast metaphysical war.
>>738821864capitalism is inherently based on the assumption of infinite growth.
>>738820721>Capitalist states, historically known to arise peacefully(read a book for the love of god)Capitalist states are almost all democracies. You are free to elect a communist government at any time. You are trying to separate economic and ideological systems when governments always combine the two. You can't do this and expect to be taken seriously.
Gommunism>Work for everyone, OR ELSE>Empty shelves OR the product is subpar and on stampsGoypitalism>No work, everything is outsourced to the cheap migrant force>Actual shit on shelves but prices are sky high>May include food stamps like SNAP cause people can't afford foodSo uhhhhhhhh, how long till some genius or a think tank comes up with a new, less shitty system? It's been centuries, surely someone out there works on it, right?
>>738822076Distributism?
>>738820675>>738821212>he says as he expresses his opinion on a worldwide communication network available to almost anyone under a capitalist system.What rights don't you have under your current government that you would have under a communist one? You are acting exactly like trannies demanding rights they already have. You don't want rights, you want privileges, which you can earn under the capitalist system.
>>738822060This is bought consent. It is obvious how people are indirectly bribed to sustain the status quo. Democracy is just aristocracy of the rich who buy themselves the politicians and people's good will.
>>738822076no new systems will arise because globalism will fucking eat them if they even tryplease wait for the collapse of globalism :DDD
>>738822149Reminder we have Douglas MacArthur completely cockblocking commies from Japan to thank for anime existing.
>>738822350God bless America
>>738822221So you're saying the majority, the overwhelming majority, of the population are happy with capitalism? Because supposedly it only takes 10% of a population to change the government. Maybe...capitalism/democracy is the better option?
>>738809297Where do you live? If you're living in a capitalist country, then your shitpost is not valid. Alot of you commie fucks are preaching communism while living in a capitalist country. Just know that you will be the first ones to be shot when commies take over.
>>738822350There were many heroes.
>>738821957Capitalists have famously never accused their detractors of being communists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
>>738821957a bunch of empty words is not a critique, if you can replace the word communism by [any other system] in your "critique" and still make sense that means there's no point to take from it because you're not actually critiquing inherent ideas specific to communism
>>738821957Whataboutism is the only tactic tankies have. They will never directly address any arguments.
>>738822350>>738822394Too fucking bad America has let commies in and are fucking up everything good about America.
>>738822551and he was vindicated
>>738822403No this isn't what I said in the slightest. Never once did I say happy (for example).My post was mostly a cynical post sorry that this flew over your head. I am saying people won't be forced any longer to live docile lives because it won't be sustainable for long. It will show what people truly are. After democracy and capitalism finally die out completely everywhere.
>>738807224Good point desu
>>738822630I accept your concession.
I am a centrist social democratI only play moralist harryI exist. I am not the only one
>>738822551Case in point.
Communism has been tried the same way north korea and russia is trying democracy.
>>738822454>get forced to not only open trade but also trade oil in american dollars via two buttfucking bombs>REEEEEEEEEEE ITS ALL UR FAULT RANDOM SOCIAL NATIONALIST SHINEEEEEEEE
>>738822643>After democracy and capitalism finally die out completely everywhere.two more weeks
>>738822802Jews should forget:Don't poke the bear too hard or your system's downfall will happen faster and faster.
>>738809297Capitalism is an economic systemCommunism is ideologyYou can have shitty capitalism but communism will always be shit
>>738822643Anon this is not a surprise or revelation to anybody, the American public does not give a fuck about democracy or sacred values or anything. Trump could kill nigs on the street and turn America into a fascist state and they wouldn’t care if it means the economy is fixed. This applies to communism too, they’ll gladly make Mamdani the next dictator if it means prices return to how they were.If you’re wondering about a potential “global collapse” scenario, people will just follow whoever is strongest and most charismatic. Same as it ever was.
Fascism is more likely to replace capitalism than communism..02% instead of .01% chance
>>738822993>the end goal of capitalism is more likely to replace capitalism than communism.Yeah?
>>738823103You will need to realize fascism is closer to communism than capitalism to progress.
>>738823131>unironic horseshoe theory believer in 2026
>>738819528Is bad.
>>738823193>MY totalitarian state-empowering system is better than YOUR totalitarian state-empowering system>under my RED flag, MY state will LOVE ME
>>738823193He's right though. You don't actually have an argument against him, hence just the mocking greentext and Sweet Bro image.
>>738823193It's not horseshoe theory, it's a line, and fascism sits between the other 2.
I was told communism would improve video games but then I look at the games commies play and they’re all gay arthouse walking sim shit with no gameplay
>>738823103If fascism is the end goal of capitalism why did capitalism spend all its energy defeating fascism while allying with communism?
>>738823492hey tetris was pretty good.
>>738807224love isnt real thoughever
>>738823501because that fascism wanted to get rid of capitalism's biggest proponents
>>738809297>>738816570I'd say this kind of paradigm is the exact brain damage that keeps the "crooked" (mostly capitalists, because they profit from it) in power. Pretending that >communist/socialist/any type of leftist = USSR is the problem and it is intentionally framed that way by people who want to direct your malice in a way that benefits them exclusively. Its a bit like watching manosphere fucktards who have a "system/theory" that accounts for women only fucking the top few percent of men and you're an uggo dysgenic incel who can never make it, so you need to subscribe to their secret MLM course or whatever. The short answer is that Marx wrote about economics. That's all. Its not enough to make a good society you want to live in. Hell, it should tell you something that "Marxism-Leninism", made up by Stalin (and those around it) was basically fan fiction to enable his authoritarian shitfuckery in an era where Even the most simple political compass meme has both X and Y axis and there's a big difference between having the same economic system with a totalitarian social and organizational implementation, as opposed to one with more small-L liberal ideology. Of course, this is by design that people ignore or forget this as a tactic to keep people assuming that any failure of a country that even suggests leftist economic system is a "a feature" whereas a failure of any capitalist country system is just "a bug" and of course had nothing to do with capitalism. >>738823492Putting aside that its not like people are going to some great "communist" country and making vidya under that system if you want something pretty decent check out >Tonight We RiotBeat em up made by a dev run as a co-op a few years ago. Even the mechanics are pretty novel as you control a whole mass of chars and get stronger as they recruit more workers to join; if you take out the goons first, enemy workers join you etc. Neat indie game
>>738823553>one game>notoriously had trouble getting released and giving the creator what he deserved because of communism (the rights to the game were the property of the soviet government)>creator moved to america and started a business with an American entrepreneur
>>738823893You cannot run a large group of people without some form of autocracy. As long as you want to live in a larger nation state some form of totalitarianism will have to be applied.Also, at some point, you have to accept that communism has failed so many times that perhaps the theory just wasn’t that good. And this is not an oopsie mistake. It has cost the lives of hundreds of millions.
>>738807224Honestly? Communism would be really based in a gigachud ethnostate.
>>738824505Same with libertarianism.
>>738824505gigachads are anarchists thoughever
>>738824684he wrote gigachuds thoughbeit
>>738823893>Tonight We Riothttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgeU4uSy8L4Honestly it doesn't look great. I know you only said "pretty decent," but still. I'd say I'd try it and give it a chance, but I won't. Doesn't interest me enough to try, sorry. If this post seems pointless, it basically is, I just watched a video of it and wanted to share so the rest of /v/ can see what it looks like.
Who cares. Whatever gayshit system you are cheering for like some retarded football hooligan? Doesn't matter. It’s far too late to change anything about the current state of the world; maybe 50 or 60 years ago, but not now.
>>738824894we need to nuke the planet and send everything back to the stone age primitivism is the only way
>>738822963Capitalism isn't an economic system to communists.Its the devil and all the evils of the world magically originate in it (but would NEVER take root in the hearts of TRUE COMMUNISTS)
>>738824738oh I just self-inserted, sorry.
>>738825059no problem i do it too
>>738824894absolute demoralization
>>738825051>Capitalism isn't an economic system to communists.source?
>finally did the moralintern transceiver task after like five playthroughsi love the small things in this game
>>738824334>Autocracy>TotalitarianismYou're not using words correctly, which makes me doubt you're appropriately assessing any other concepts being discussed. That aside, the idea that "oh it doesn't work in a country-sized group" is another fallacy. Its just that the closer it gets to working successfully, the less people somehow consider it leftist policy. This is because of a number of elements including vested interests in the failure of anything labeled as leftist, but everything from the incredibly successful New Deal (not to mention the things that Roosevelt planned but died too soon. If we would have ended WWII with Roosevelt or at very least Wallace instead of Truman, things would be much better) to the post-WWII rebuilding of Europe, especially Nordic economic systems, have the most leftist ideologies involved in their structure. Remember a few years ago when Musk wanted to make some shit there but demanded not to pay proper wages and abide local labor laws and the govt say >No you idiot, you're going to follow the laws or you can kindly fuck off. Now this is not to say that any of these countries have implemented on paper 'communism' (nobody every has even usign the technical definition) or even 'socialism', but they're often the closest to them (ie requirements of worker ownership of a certain amount of every company over a given size etc) as well as having high social advancement, happiness, and other quotients. However, they were not on the sside of the USSR so they were seen as "social democracy" instead etc. This does not mean the Nordic model can't be improved or that there aren't people who want to profit more greatly and fuck over countries pushin for more unregulated capitalism and weakening these systems, but there's more going on and this is not an issue of scale. >>738824872Kind of a pity then. Its a pixel game, yet its beat em up mechanic is novel and there's a reasonable amount of content, stuff to unlock, and more
>>738825405>Kind of a pity then. Its a pixel game, yet its beat em up mechanic is novel and there's a reasonable amount of content, stuff to unlock, and morePixel game isn't an issue for me, I play tons of pixel games and love old beat em ups. It's just it looks like a poorly made flash game that I'd waste 10 minutes on at best. A dime-a-dozen sort of game, with a somewhat neat gimmick. But to each his own, not going to knock you for liking it. Though it does seem like a game people are more likely to enjoy for its politics than its actual quality as a game.
>>738816727Historical Materialism, the core principle of Marxism, has already been debunked.
>>738825657I mean if you want short pixel games with neat gimmicks, just play UFO 50. Pretty much any one of those games is likely to be better.
>>738807224I'm not a communist.I'm just sick of getting scammed to death by corpos. See: American Healthcare SystemI just want to go back to a time when bribery was illegal and the difference between the rich and the poor was smaller.A time when we invested in the prosperity of our nation by funding education. There used to be free colleges until Reagan needed more meat for Vietnam.A time when houses were for living in, not a casino for foreign investors.I don't think this is too much to ask.
>>738824894This is what the games hints at anyway. Nothing of this gay political platitude jerking will matter eventually because Revachol gets nuked by the coalition, and later on, the pale consumes the world.
>>738825857Yes yes Bernie the problem is that we don't have enough people with worthless college degrees that someone else paid for. Hey why did you stop talking about illegal immigration?
>>738825405it sounds like we agree. post-WW2 Europe is just a colony of progressive America. to the point that the Overton window over there is dramatically further left than anything seen in America. It’s obvious why such a place would be an appealing model if you shared those values.
>>738825857Your not communist, but the police will be at your door for antisemitic opinions.
>>738825857for the most part, I agree. but also hang the ultra rich from their mansions.
>>738825936Then narrow the scope of the degrees covered for free? Society can shape their labor sources by compensating people who wish to join the workforce. If you don't want worthless majors, just don't pay for them.
>>738824872>>738825405Out of room. I've just watched a bit of the video, but it doesn't look like the person playing is using a lot of the mechanics What weapons you use, which enemies you attack first and how you prioritize matters. Like the tear gas bit yo u can go back and circle up your units that get dispersed which means they start attacking alongside you (instead of one guy using a brick or bomb, all your units will throw them each time). Keeping your units together and using melee and ranged when proper (water hoses and riot tanks will disable burning equip like molotovs) , knocking out stronger or controlling enemies first ( you knock out the yellow flag wavers hinding behind the yellow shirts, the remaining yellow shirts will turn red and join you for instance, where if you just kill em all you progress but without more units). There are cosmetics and equip that can be unlocked by getting the full amount of stars on each stage , some you have to select others are by default equipped as I recall. There's a good bit of other stuff but its been awhile since I played it, but not sure the video is showcasing all the mechanics that make it differ from a lot of other "move right and just punch guys" beat em ups. >>738825657I never said that its the best of the genre in a modern depth of Double Dragon Gaiden / Castle Crashers, SoR4, Shredder's Revenge, River City etc.. , but I think its decent enough and the game's mechanics and story/concepts align well; its a bit like how Cultist Simulator can be played as "just" a resource game, but for those reading it and the conceptual consonance of the story vs how someone's being initiated into higher magics slowly discovering the way, makes it a better overall experience. The quality of the game, especially when it goes on sale for about $5-8 I think is decent given the length, gametype and other facets. I'd like to see them make a sequel with what they learned from the first one though
>>738825251Communists.Anything they can and care to blame on capitalism>greed>corruption>nepotism>class divides>even disparity of wealthThey do not bother to understand HOW these evils they decry come to emerge.It is a STAPLE of communists to ignore such things, going back at least as far as Marx himself.They do not want to understand the problems.They just want to tear things down and try to rebuild something themselves.That is why every communist society that ever is tried has:>more greed>more corruption>more nepotism>more class divides>equal or greater wealth disparityBecause they bothered to understand the systems they sought to improve upon.How can you hope to replace just a complicated and large scale thing as the government of anything larger than a small village without even trying to understand what that government DOES?The mistakes it made?Willfully blind and ignorant, they stumble right into the same traps repeatedly.
>>738826089>>738825936You don't even need to change the system much. Just offer generous federal scholarships for valuable degrees with performance requirements to weed out freeloaders.
If only Nicholas II had been more like his father, we wouldn't have to deal with this shitty thread.
>>738826390>>738826390Yeah, communists historically, going back at least as far as Marx himself, famously did not attempt to analyze the material conditions behind the evils of the world.It is absolutely not the basic principle of the theory of dialectical materialism that serves as the structure for entire political philosophy of marxismyou have never read a single thing about marxism and it's amazing seeing the intensity of the drunning-kruger effect in action considering the pretentious tone of your post
>>738826089>>738825936>>738826430>>738825857let me give you all the dirty truth I found after decades of looking into this stuff.Every system, culture, law, enforcement of law, and all the problems within ANY instance of such?It all flows downhill from the people themselves.How those people were born, raised, and educated.Its the ugly festering sore at the heart of civilization right now.When people are parented wrong they strain the education until they are raised wrong as the teachers (assuming they give a damn) try to fill in for that parenting. If the teachers don't do this the child will not absorb the correct lessons.If the education is wrong the child will not learn to make the right choices within their society.And then they will grow to be in a position to BE that society and influence it.And then new children are born into an enshittified parenting and educational system.And everything get worse.
>>738826687It is a bit ironic to be talking about pretension considering the topic is Marxist. Marxist academics are perhaps the most pretentious class of people on average.
>>738826687As is typical of communists, they are incapable of reading their own muse's words.Marx outright stated that trying to fully understand society and its problems was too hard for him, and that he would rather rip it all apart and start anew. :)
>>738826741you have never talked to or seen or read about a single marxist academic>>738826758please post more, show me more of your thoughts
>>738826801everyone who has ever gotten a higher education has interacted with a marxist academic at least once
>>738826846at which point in your higher education did you interact with one? What's their specific area of expertise and study on marxism?
>>738826801>>738826976Such pretentious replies. You're really proving his point.
>>738826976they are everywhere, but you can find them mainly in sociology and literature departments.pro-tip for anyone going to university for the first time. when you're asked to analyze a piece of art or literature, simply apply the most basic marxist analysis to the work. extend the details on social class to race and gender. it doesn't matter how sloppy your writing is, you are guaranteed to get a high grade, and graduate with ease.
>>738826801Marx never had an accurate view of any situation.He was correct in identifying that problems existed and seeing what new ones would arise, but such things are simple in comparison to understanding how they arise.Marx got most of his input on how companies and "capitalism" worked from engels.Engles was his sugar daddy, and had a nice job in a factory.That job was deliberately engineered to make sure Engles knew nothing, learned nothing, and did nothing.Engles' Father got him that job so he would stop being useless, at a company he had only marginal influence in.The man in charge of Engles was worried that the father was hoping to expand his influence over the company because of how profitable it was. But he couldn't simply remove him.So he pulled a simple bit of office politics and gave Engels the modern Japanese treatement.Engels, being just as much of a deadbeat as marx, did not question this.He happily sat around, doing nothing, talking to Marx about how he THOUGHT being a manager worked.Marx was working with poisoned information the ENTIRE fucking time from his best friend.Which explains a lot of his most irrational bits of idiocy, such as when he decided that a company doing ANYTHING with profits besides paying workers was "theft"To marx, if you so much as saved a bit of money to get your workers a CHAIR, it was theft.His language on this matter is both childish and absolute.
>>7388092971) "Capitalism" is a made up word by 19th century socialists as a kind of insult towards anyone they saw as private capital owners and the economic ideals of "free market" in general2) "free market" as understood by 18th economists hasn't existed anywhere since at least last century - today there's not a single goverment on the planet, that doesn't enforce extensive limits what, when and how an individual or enterprise can trade and do with it's private property, and that hasn't directly intervened in the market to literally save or destroy an enterprise or financial institution3) the economic ideals of "free market" where the ones that generated the greast wealth explotion, material uplifting and social emancipation in human history - and it is also inhenrentely the most ethical economy policy since it flows from the other ideals of respect for the individual's life and liberty - it not perfect of course and some regulations might be required to prevent bad faith actors from undermining it, but nothing in this life is perfect and this is easily the best economic system mankind has come up with so far
>>738826801>>738827137Anyways, the TDLR is that Marx is was a NEET who was friends with a nepo-baby and shitposting on paper about his flawed view of the world.Like many a shitposter on /pol/, ironically.Despite this, just like /pol/, he was fully capable of seeing various problems too great to ignore, and able to predict many new ones from the things he could see.I sometimes wonder how the world would be different if he had bothered to actually understand things instead of relying on his friend.But he was a lazy man. Too lazy to ever get a job.
>>738827096oh no>>738827097well then, explain to us, what is the most basic marxist analysis? >>738827137oh damn, so Marx was working with bad information? So that must seriously endanger the veracity of this work.Can you give me one example where Marx's methods to analyze a political and economical situation resulted in incorrect or contradictory results? Some place where the inaccuracy of the data panned out in a flaw in the process?
>>738827215No. The word is not made up, but rather twisted.Communists, as they became very very clever with politics, learned to twist the definitions of words over time.It is the ultimate long-term political play, because by twisting how people think of words and labels, you get to twist their very thoughts.Think of it at the very core of Marketing in general.Capitalism as a word and concept is centuries older than you think.
>>738827304https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_literary_criticismclass struggle can be updated to racial struggle or sexual struggle depending on the situation. you get extra points if you can tie all struggles together
>>738827391nice wikipedia page, here's one in return.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grim_%26_EvilI didn't say that criticism of Marx didn't exist. I was asking about you. Do you have criticism of marxism? Can you quote one, explain it to me? Something we can have a conversation about?
>>738827251>But he was a lazy man. Too lazy to ever get a job.wow he's literally medo i have to adopt marxist ideas now?
>>738827304I did in general terms here >>738826390There are many angles to this problem though.The biggest by far is that communists never seem to want to think enough about HOW to get to the "true communism" they keep blabbering about.It requires the same depth of understanding I already stated they (and marx) did not want to bother with.The vague plan marx eventually outlines over time (while being very contradictory about it) is one of creating a utopic society, even though he goes out of his way to try to decry that.The inherent problem communists always run into WITH the shift of society is that they need to shift EVERY ASPECT OF SOCIETY.They need to exert control over people's behavior right down into the subconcious over time to fully achieve the shifts needed and create a self-reinforcing cultural pattern that WORKS with communism.This results in a very crude and simple plan that they all follow:>step 1: revolutionthe obvious bits of seizing control and throwing off the yoke one way or another>step 2: fascismcommunists, in their bumbling, ill-thought out plans, always end up needing to enforce an iron grip over society, as I already mentioned.Marx even writes about this, and has a "plan" to solve it>step 3: ?????all of the HARD work communists and marx don't want to think of.Somehow, after gaining unlimited power to CHANGE society, you... fix it. Somehow.>step 4: utopiaas marx himself wrote, when the state manages to actually fix all of the various problems and leave people at ALL levels so satisfied that the state becomes unnecessary... it will "naturally wither away"He is correct about this but the problem is step 3.Getting there.Communists don't want to engage in the deep and troubling nature of this. It always leads back into things like resource scarcity and trying to avoid being corrupted by power while making the PERFECT scenario for an evil tyranny to arise.
>>738827706>The biggest by far is that communists never seem to want to think enough about HOW to get to the "true communism" they keep blabbering about.stopped reading here, since you've proven to not have attempted to read a single work about communism.
>>738827619Plenty of his ideas are valid and universal.You can find them anywhere in the world just by observing, unsullied by the poison marx mixed them with.
>>738827564Are you retarded? Do you actually think "Marxist literary criticism" means criticism OF Marxism?
>>738827752Perfect example of my point.The communist here is too lazy to even look at the problem before him fully.Too lazy to read any books about the problems communists encounteredToo lazy to do anything difficult.This is where communists always turn to their ultimate mistake.Shifting blame and accountability.It's always someone else's fault that they did not bother to look into their problemsIts always a foreign influence's fault that their shitty hellholes are fled from, and that other nations do what they do to LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE EVER ACROSS HISTORY and try to exert influence on the communists.Communists are perpetually looking for any excuse to stop thinking and pretend to be a victim. Its pathetic.
>>738827769the point is that googling a wikipedia page doesn't actually answer my question, which was about actual knowledge of marxist literature instead of imaginings of it
>>738827904he's also doing that thing where he makes sure to never cleanly define his own position while continually handing out questions, to ensure that the other party is on the back foot and his own position is fluid should he need to change his angle of attack.It's a very dishonest approach to discussion and people use it a LOT
>>738827752How many times will communists fuck up and make another genocidal "not TRUE communism" before you fuckups realize that you have NOT been thinking properly about how to get to "true" communism?How many times will you repeat the SAME stupidity, the SAME mistakes, with the SAME consequences, again and again and again, huh?All you had to do was acknowledge the simple truth of various technological and geopolitical hurdles and complexities, and resign yourself to needing to solve THOSE first,Then maybe your grandchildren could make some fucking headway.
>>738827904you are an amazing poster man, never change
I have never played the game nor researched it. Is it just a retarded commie propaganda? I cannot believe western lefty weakling still love getting tricked by a kike's book. Ruined eastern Europe for decades is not enough for them I guess, they gotta destroy the lives of even more white people.
>>738828016so you actually don't know what "Marxist literary criticism" means, lol. ig you're the welfare check kind of commie
>>738828069what were the mistakesgive me a few, or just one, of the various technological and geopolitical hurdles and complexities>>738828107still failed to show knowledge of anything related to marxism at all, but you are good at posting links about it
>>738828084nah it's "detective uses debates over political identity to try and ignore the pain of his girlfriend leaving him"
>>738828068Communists have effectively ingrained it into their culture and unconsciously spread it via cultural bleed at this point.Many start to realize what they are doing and choose to do so actively as well.They do it because it is POWER to be manipulative, and their inherent goal naturally requires the mass manipulation of EVERYONE for "their own good".It is just one of the myriad of mistakes they have made by not bothering to get into the details properly.And so they have crafted a language of lies so perfect that they can regularly deceive themselves.Terry Prachett spoke well of how humans need to believe things that aren't true so that they could become, but communists seem to have mistaken that for thinking belief alone is all you need.
>>738807224This game is infuriating because it would've been so decent (for me) if it wasn't for the unending barrage of political bullshit
>>738813054Kek!
Why would you keep trying to build love with a girl who only ever hurts you?
>>738828157Resource scarcity.The biggest one by far, and the consequences of trying to fix it without considering the cultural impact.Anon. If we are at the point where anyone anywhere can "have less" than someone else and be unable to fix that with an amount of labor they are willing to easily put in, you are gonna have greed.And from that greed all sorts of corruption and problems spring forth.This is why star trek has the closest thing to true communism.They have effectively unlimited resources via space magic and free energy for the common citizen of star fleet until you get to the fringes of their civilized space.the VAST majority of all geopolitical shenanigan's, wars, etc across history is about resources.resources the people think they need.before religion even comes into things its always about "why should I let someone else have this, if I think I need this?"Solve resources, you solve the very CORE of most of humanity's conflicts.Why did we even take slaves? Labor is a resource.Why did we pollute the earth? Energy and good materials are resourcesWhy did we deplete the ecosystems? Resources.The other side of the problem is the entitlement being given things for free can create.This would require some stiff cultural engineering and reinforcement.You can see it in any rich faggot who is so used to various luxuries that to go without them feels unfair.You can also see it in many of the homeless in my area who got used to not being prosecuted for violent crimes, and being given free reign to do as much drugs as they want.It affects ALL of humanity.There is no threshold of "free stuff" where you can just TRUST that entitlement will not set in.It must be actively countered and defended against somehow.
>>738828157>>738828480the magnitude and different fields of these problems, one a level of technological ability that is a foundational staple for ANY utopia, and another a deeply complex psychological and cultural issue ingrained into our very genetics for survival purposes...is just ONE hurdle.free resources can be thought as leaping over the hurdle, while the entitlement and laziness issue can be thought as landing on the other side and continuing to run forward.again, that is just ONE hurdle.and nobody anywhere has solved it yet.and frankly any communist who really wants it to work SHOULD be looking to solve it.It is the only way to have even a fighting chance of making ANY civilization last beyond a few centuries without doing what rome did and colonize everything around them repeatedly, until they collapsed under their own weight, some plagues, and repeated issues with succession.
textbook stockholm syndrome
>>738828157>>738828716and to continue forward, right now the only immediate solution to these problems IS to be like rome.and the world is heading towards it, slowly.By colonizing our surroundings.By harvesting space and the asteroid belt for resources.But it will not be permanent because it is not endless. Its the same shit even Marx could see all over again however many centuries later.We will grow, expand, and keep needing more and more and more.That is why that core issue of free resources MUST be obtained someday.Lest we collapse under our weight again, just like rome.
>>738828920We could also implement strict population controls to the point where what we use is renewable within a generation, but that seems like the largest logistical undertaking with the most firm application of giant state-guns-and-violence boots we've ever seen.
>>738829096yes, and now you have run into step 2 of the communist plan >>738827706fascism, one way or another.Fascists are a form of communists that believe a big evil brother watching over you is NECESSARY, as is an outward foe to band together against for nationalism.They have are pessimistic communists, in a sense.Born from a communist in italy who saw how effectively the masses could be commanded by such things, and decided communism needed to be revised.And of course, we all saw how THAT went for him, since he didn't solve the other issues.corruption and greed will STILL happen.there will be people in powerpeople with "haves" and "have-nots"there will be divides, resentment, and rebellion.
>>738829208>they have are pessimistic-well, I ruined THAT monologue
>>738829096>>738829208but anyways, already you are thinking deep enough to realize you are in the shadow of a problem that is truly monsterous.in some ways it could be called the ultimate problem of humanity.
>>738807224did they got back disco elysum rights back?
>>738816727It could also just be because Marx was kind of shit at being a husband and father and wanted to write a justification for why both were bad to dismiss his many, many moral and personal failings as a man.
>>738807224They are literally an anti-democracy argument made manifest. Anyone who cannot explain economic basics should not be able to vote, and if they ever find a majority your country will self-destruct
>>738815350Georgism or whatever the fuck China's doing without calling it socialism with National characteristics. ,
>>738822149>forums and imageboards don't exist in ChinaYou are completely fucking retarded.
>>738829603>The Chinese internet isn't censoredYou are completely fucking retarded.
>>738829504National Socialism, if you will
>>738808717disgusting vermin, they'd sooner drag down their fellow man down to the mud so these "enlightened individuals" have an easy life. fucking retards
>>738829756If you just state it plainly, you ruin the comedic value of the thing. Where's your sense of humor
>>738817285It's a game made by literal communist activists you lying rat.
>>738827251He was literally the son of a rabbi. If he knew any better, he would have undoubtably concocted something even worse.
>>738829874it contains a sad example of their shortsightedness here.I completely agree with the redditor's opinion, but to use it here is.... painful.When we engaged within the space race, and america pulled ahead during the escalation and won, it was not because we were mindlessly attempting the impossible.It was because we carefully laid out the foundation, planned for as much as we could (and paying some very bitter prices when we strayed from that)And so mankind in the span of a mere 66 years accomplished something we still think of as impossible.We left the ground, and landed upon the moon.We did so with an enormous amount of careful planning and attention to detail.Not with a blind, passionate rush.
>>738819374Was it even ineptitude when they were straight up deliberately executing people?
>>738807224begging the question. false equivalence. love has and does work, but pinkoism doesn't.
>>738830168Depends on how he looked at his religion.There is a lesson there that many refuse to learn despite prostrating themselves before it.A lesson on the consequences of hubris paid in blood again and again across time.>>738830239In an extreme sense it could be seen as such.Profoundly retarded discipline to enforce equally retarded laws is well within the realm of "governance" if you remove the "profoundly" and "retarded"
>>738830334>Depends on how he looked at his religion.One can easily infer his views since he started his own religion.
If that faggot Kurvitz ever got around to translating his novel that DE is a prequel to, you'd know that the only winning philosophy in the end is Ligotti-esque pessimism and nihilism.
>>738830990One can easily avoid talking about him in any depth or specificity by moaning about his followers, removed entirely from his writing
>>738815656Far too rational for this board, GTFO
>>738815656>investing too strongly in a skill can have unintended consequencesThis is true to some extent (it leads to special dialogue) but it never felt like the game permanently screwed me over for investing too much into Encyclopedia or whatever, though I do get that's easier to incorporate into a tabletop campaign and not a video game that already has a library's worth of branching paths.
>>738831036>You aren't LITERALLY him, so you're not allowed to criticize him!
>>738832750????
>>738807224Will I enjoy this game as an ESL?
>>738831025Kurvitz's book is stupid and we all know it. I think he knows it too considering he decided to make a video game instead of writing another book.
>>738816894The developers went up on stage and praise marx
>>738830990sorry, took a while to get back to you.his views are, as I have said, largely based on incorrect information.He was an idle wastrel that fell in love with thinking.
>>738817858What you call corporate dick ridding is just a lack of anti corporate obsession You want corporate dick riding look at Japanese laws around copyright and defamation.
>>738829747Your original post said nothing about censorship. And you're delusional if you think you aren't going to jail for online comments in a capitalist country.
>>738833339it will be quite difficult. Bordering impossible.
>>738807224I know how to make communism work
