What went wrong?
too many recolors. lazy.
Level-5 is as bad at managing franchises as Gamefreak is at developing games
>>738825852The creature personalities are too predetermined, you can’t act like your monster is unique.
>>738825852Level 5 can't market for shit.
>>738825852AI booteg digimon
>>738825852level 5 sucks, like really fucking sucks they could have gold in their hands and trade it for NFTs 3 tried something decent with the combat but it needed more work, it is also sad that fem mc in that game was so disliked they basically deleted her from everything
>>738825852Yokai watch 3 will forever be the superior game. There is not a single pokemon game in existence that is even half as good as yokai watch 3.
>>738827402Replacing Fumika/Katie while Keita/Nate got to stay was never going to go over well
>>738827402Hailey is absolutely based, japs just have shit taste.
>>738825852They made the essentially same game three times within 5 years and retardedly didn't see people getting confused and bored of their hit new franchise. Level 5 should've followed Gamefreak's lead and make on YW game per generation, with at most 1 mid gen update that fixes issues of that gen's game. No shit people are going to get burnt out when you supply more games than people demand.
>>738827616not many people played as katie and she has no personality of her own unlike nate who can borrow from the show and movies
>>738825852it is awful that we never got blasters 2, looks fun
>>738825852>What went wrong?taking too long to release their games overseaswhen the second game released japan was about to get the third onewhen we finally got the third game the 3ds was on its way out, the switch was a thing and they were already planning YW4spin offs like busters 2 never making it here, or the school one (this one kind of sucked so whatever) was retarded, but what is more retarded is the development of YW4 and never releasing it overseas
>>738827886>They made the essentially same game three times within 5 yearsTo be fair, so did Pokemon.
I don't know anything about this series, but thought it looked too childish for my age at the time. So I never bothered to try it.With that said, I want to fuck the shit out of Katie.
>>738825852>what went wronglevel5i've only played the first and second game and they were fun even if a bit repetitive
>>738829694You made the right choice. These games are childish as fuck.
>>738830290You didn't play 3? That's the best one.
>>738830424I played them back to back and got burned out, might try it someday
Its not for low IQ gaijin
>>738825852Actual slander campaigns by pokemon fans and a legitimately botched localization of the third and best game in the series (I know this only from hearsay because I never got my hands on it)
>>738827478I thought the same when I first played it before I realized how fucking scummy the game is. It's already a nightmare trying to get the Devas in the western version. In Japan, you needed multiple copies of the game, multiple 3ds handhelds, and I think also some Amiibos to get them. This on top of all the QR codes you were expected to buy medals to scan for event coins, the exclusives you had to have basically all versions of every previous YW game to get, the fact that you had to have a digital copy to get other exclusives, etc. Level 5 is arguably more jewish than GF
>>738825852some of the yokai were fuckable
>>738830767The YW3 localization is the funny kind of bad because it's extremely obvious the localizers were fed a shit sandwich. They did the typical "pretend Japan is America" 4kids thing for the first two games, but it bit them in the ass when 3 had the protagonist move to actual America. The localizers were therefore forced to refer to America as "BBQ" and make all the American characters exaggerated Dixie stereotypes
>>738827717she is and a cutie
>>738825852One of the most ugliest monster designs in videogames The anime was poop/piss/farts for toddlers
>>738831007
An unspoken problem with competing in the "monster catcher" game space is that you aren't ever actually competing with any particular IP, but every single individual creature in that IP.It's not simply enough to have a better game or whatever sort of media property associated with your catcher, you have to beat the place people have in their heart for ANY and ALL pokemon currently on the table.Truth be told most people don't give a shit about pokemon these days, they have pokemon they like.
they made the fox waifu male
DQ monsters mogs yo-kai watch
>>738825852many things, but the greatest sin of all: the games suck ass
>>738831606Nothing a little r63 can't fix.
>>738831625That mogs everything. It's not really a new and intriguing observation.
>>738831024That is hilarious
>>738825852Any of you guys played the port of the first game on Switch? If so is it an improvement over the 3DS original?
>>738825852>takes place in literally Japan and not a fantasy world>based on Japanese folkloreIt was never going to have the universal appeal of Pokemon.
Pokemon will never be dethroned simply because it was at the right place at the right time.
>>738825852A brilliant concept, but bad decisions: too many toys released too soon, poorly executed spin-offs or spin-offs that nobody asked for, and the classic: too many color changes.>>738831428>One of the most ugliest monster designs in videogamesThey are Yokai, They made it stand out by being so bizarre>The anime was poop/piss/farts for toddlersOkay, that's true, but I'd say it declined season after season, reaching its lowest point by the American Yokai arc, with the episodes being the hardest to watch.Not to mention how the quality also decreased.
>>738831992Also not true, the franchise has a fairly long history of well made characters that are attractive to people.Yes, attractive in that way too.
>>738825852It had no juice because it tried go middle ground instead of all in on one pure concept. It even tried to course correct by having a supplemental series based on only scary Yokai, but by then it was too late.
>>738832081>middle ground instead of all in on one pure concept.Middle ground of what?
>>738831024Also, what's up with the complete change of battle system? The one in Yokai Watch 1 and 2 was perfect in every way, so why is it a board in the third game and not the traditional disc?
>>738831007>ancient cloud ghost lady
>Yokaisnoys: "Yokai Watch will kill Pokémon!">Palsnoys: "Palworld will kill Pokémon!">Palworld fails and dies>Segasnoys: "Sonic CrossWorlds will kill Mario Kart!">Sonic CrossWorlds fails and dies>Digisnoys: "Digimon will kill Pokémon!">Digimon fails and dies (again)Are you noticing a pattern?
>>738832231I imagine they were wanting to shake things up and experiment. It was obvious after 2 that L5 would need to start playing around new battle systems because the 3ds wasn't gonna last forever.
>>738832317>Palsnoys: "Palworld will kill Pokémon!"Isn't Palworld the one making Nintendo lose money with failed lawsuits?
>>738832231it was for the best i liked that one better
>>738832231Maybe enough people complained about the disk. I think that board was a massive improvement. It just needed some refinement. >>738832317>>Yokaisnoys: "Yokai Watch will killThat never happened.>Digimon fails and dies (again)Digimon is going to die like 5000 more times and get better after every one. That shit is immortal. somehow.
>>738831992Digimon , Monster Rancher, Zoids are as old as pokemon Yokai Watch just has ugly designs that are not memorable or marketeable
>>738832175Being for kids, while also having yokai who are supposed to be awful, but aren't, while also wanting not to be Pokemon to attract an audiance who didn't want that. Lady Longnek is a good example. Her scary form in Yokai Watch is further none committal because Lady Wrongnek is just the same shit, but with glowing eyes. Rokurokubi aren't the most evil Yokai from folktale, but it's still a shapeshifting snake who became a prostitute. If they're gonna do that, then they shouldn't have been cowards by introducing Terror Time.
>>738832437>Maybe enough people complained about the diskI don't understand it, it's super simple in design and easy to use, I don't know why they would complain about something like that.
Every Pokemon wannabe suffers from the gameplay being worse than Pokemon.
>>738832696Not Dragon Quest Monsters. Siriliam might be better I don't have the tism to handle it.
>>738832696truth nuke
>>738832231Nah, it sucked in the first two games and got somewhat better in 3 unless you think brainlessly spamming Soultimates was good gameplay. The positioning mechanics objectively added more depth to both team building and the battles themselves. But it didn't fix the actual biggest problem, which is each mon only having 4 set moves that they randomly choose between
>>738826873According to the game's context, you're talking to the spirits of dead people; their personalities give them more humanity. Besides, the medal system is also interesting; unlike you capturing them, they give you a medal that allows you to summon them in combat. On the disc, you can invoke up to 6 yokai, and if a line has 2 or 3 yokai of the same tribe, it gives you a combo.
>>738832437>That never happened.YokaiSnoys were literally saying Yokai would "replace" Pokémon. Even the retard devs.
>>738832416>"failed lawsuits"Oh fuck off, snoy.
>>738832865You're very sensitive to sensationalism, you believe everything, lol
>>738832915>snoy.Speak in Christian, you twat.
>>738826873I actually like that they have personalities since they are ghosts
Alright I need to know, between yokai, pokemon and digimon, who got the best anime?
>>738832865The localizers said it. Not the people that actually made the games. I don't care how well cast Whisper is you are retarded.
>>738825852Yokai was cringe
>>738833225>localizersThey also did an awful job with the yokai names.like, her name is literally "TOILETTA"instead of something more Bloody mary
Released too many games too quickly. Something like 5 games in 2 years. Opposite problem as Palworld which, in the same time, couldn't even finish one.
>>738833219Yo-Kai Watch's show is funny if you're Japanese and has some heartfelt moments. Digimon is the best. Pokemon exists.
>>738833331Sadly, the only thing that remains active from the franchise is literally a fucking Gacha+candy crush game that is only constantly updated in Japan and that completely twisted everything the franchise had already established into chaos.https://x.com/yokai_punipuni
>>738833546oh yeah, they are doing another collab, this time with The Eminence in Shadow
>>738833219digimon, you have at least 3 good to great onesyokai is for kids but i guess it can be funny sometimes pokemon i found it boring on rewatch save for a couple of good episodes
>>738833546I remember watching the recent L5 showcase and seeing a cool animated trailer for what I thought was gonna be a new YW in the old times or something and all it was was another fucking thing for Punipuni. I want to strangle mobileshit so fucking bad.
>>738833219Yokai Watch is basically just a sol comedy, literally Gintama for kids. Or better yet Doraemon since it plays more homage to that. Digimon had the better serious anime. Pokemon anime was mostly just filler until the gym battles. tl'drMetabots had the better anime. Followed by Zoids.
>>738831024Idk if "fed a shit sandwich" is right when it's their own fault for doing the 4kids thing in the first place
>>738825852unironically too many games
>>738831428poop/piss/farts are kino. a real frogposter would appreciate such elegance
>>738833836>Or better yet Doraemon since it plays more homage to that.That was partly what Yo-kai Watch was based on, and especially the theme of the first game, that all everyday evils were caused by spirits of the dead or originating from that Buddhist plane or whatever is called the Yokai Worldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAZz0L9qcwA
>never got a proper shadowside gameI hate Level 5
>>738825852Ugly creatures and also no clear goal. Pokemon in both the anime and game there's a clear goal of beating gyms and challenging the Pokemon league. What's the goal of Yokai Watch? Only one kid can see them. All you're doing is walking around talking to ugly spirits.
>>738831606(And That's a Good Thing, Here's Why)
>>738834020>>never got a proper shadowside gameYes, I mean, the game is way too big since they're cramming past, present, and future into one.It would have been easier for them to just focus on what's seen in the anime instead of including all the Yokai from the original franchise, which includes the three Nintendo DS games.Because a lot of the Shadowside yokai that appear in the anime don't appear in the game and vice versa.
>>738834031>Ugly creatures and also no clear goal.The idea of them being bizarre is what made the game so appealing, besides the fact that the game is much more of an open-world RPG where you can either follow the main missions or complete all the side missions.also not all of them are ugly.
>>738831992>Pokemon will never be dethroned because it's the best at what it doesFTFY
>>738825852>What went wrong?Too much, too quickly.In 2013 (the first year the games launched) there were 2 different Yo-Kai games. By 2014, the next year, there were 5 games. By 2015, there were 9 games. There were up to 12 games in 2016, and by 2018, there were 14 games released in just five years. Even compared to Pokemon, that is a silly fast release cycle. They also filled stores with all sorts of merchandise, attempting to pull a Pokemon.The problem was that they just hadn't built up that much interest. Nobody was playing 14 games in just a few years. Even ignoring the dual versions, that was still 12 games. And nobody was so into the games and the anime to be buying a bunch of plush merchandise as well. This left a lot of product just rotting on store shelved. Why would anybody pick up "Yo-Kai Watch 2" when "Yo-Kai Watch 3" was available right next to it on store shelves? And there's only a two year difference there, meaning a lot of people would see all five versions of the first three games at full price. It doesn't prompt selling one of every copy.
Seems to me like they have one good design (the cat) carrying the series and nothing else. Does it actually have any other cool monsters?
>>738835035>Without a doubt, one of the best designs in Yo-kai watch, simple but effective with the concept of the character, being both cute and spooky.give me another.
>>738825852It's unironically too Japan focused. >why don't american kids want to buy a plushie of a japanese demon that goes around stealing people's anuses, Hijikata-san from the marketing departmentTruly a mystery.
>>738834031>What's the goal of Yokai Watch?It's defeating the bad guy of the game, the first game is loose around this with the final boss being a literally who, the second and third games have the villains be more present
>>738835035Lots but you'll never see them because the series likes to stick with its gag yokai.
>>738835035A ghost that represents insomnia, a huge eye that prevents you from sleeping.
>>738835035I think soI will say it's got a bigger variety of monsters than any other monster game I've played despite all the recolors. Some stuff that's cool, some that's cute, some that's just plain bizarre, some that look completely out of place, and some that are trying way too hard to look like an SSR gacha pull
>>738835035Shadowside have one of the Best monster designs of the entire franchise.
>>738835501That's not the vending machine.
>>738835748That's frostina or something
>>738836239Her name is Fristina, fuck.
The girls and monsters didn't have enough fat asses or big tits.
>>738836457keep looking.
Anything advertising itself or hyped as "the [franchise] killer" is going to be a major disappointment. Better games have tried.
>>738836725I have a suspicion that these franchises seem to have some kind of self-sabotaging system or something like that. I mean, Yo-kai Watch had everything, how is it possible that they ended up now as a gacha game and a successor title called Holy Horror Mansion and not a new game in the franchise that can really revive the brand?
meh idc about the tendies rage bait here some yokai I really like
>>738837102The Noko are the best mascot in the franchise, better than the cat or Komasan.
>>738829502Pokemon space their releases, you get main plus remake per console, BW2 is a glorified third version.L5 released like 6 games in a single year.
>>738837226I really love kon-tan
yokai watch was good but then it got too up it's own ass with the referencesThe first game was the best and then they kept flanderizing the setting and characters until it was unrecognizableThe new female protagonist being le epic otaku neet who collects gundam and isn't afraid of the scary demons was the last straw and I'm not surprised 3 killed the entire franchise
>>738837208>better than the cat or Komasan>KomasanNow I'm gonna have to stop you right there bud. Komasan is my boy. Nokos are cool, but you aren't beating a face like this.
>>738825852Nothing: it's a crock of shite just like modern Pokémon, they've overwhelmingly succeeded
>>738837337The most random spin-off they could ever create, it literally has nothing to do with the original franchise and is a spin-off that nobody asked for.
>>738837510Anon.>>738833836
>>738837430its worse its connected to the original jinpei is grandson of Jibanyan's owner
>>738837575The Fuck
>>738835501Holy!
>>738837539not my fault I don't expect people to use my webms
>>738837672the plot is so stupid >aliens somehow discovered the yokai world and wipe out everything >Enma and is trusty spread the soul of yokai though the real world>mikkettio is claim the strongest yokai and was sealed offY-academy is only praised for their humans designs
>>738837872>aliens somehow discovered the yokai world and wipe out everythingI honestly blame the 3rd game for this, since the Ghoulfather hijacked an alien spaceship to get back on earth during his exile. They probably wouldn't have been there if he didn't do that.
>>738837872>>aliens somehow discovered the yokai world and wipe out everything>>Enma and is trusty spread the soul of yokai though the real world>>mikkettio is claim the strongest yokai and was sealed offThis Shit sounds like the bastard son of DANDANDAN and Dark Gathering
>>738837510>Ends just before the best partLame
>>738837872Y-Academy would've been fine as a silly spin-off what-if. Just L5 being L5 went in hard on the multimedia thing for it and spread themselves thin over ideas that would not have reached the same levels as the base YKW series. Had Y-Academy just been like two games and like a limited 8 episode anime it probably would've been whatever.
>>738837946>TFW I pull this yesterdaySEXO!
>>738838474Beatrice as Desert dungeon princesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jWbIBO9SLI&t=147s
>>738835501oh yeah.https://x.com/yokai_punipuni/status/2013536989014843470
>>738838474Tits!
>>738837872Um, that little girl is really sexy.
>>738839191Where, lol
>>738825852The third game is very good.
>>738825852>>738826595>>738826873There's only like a limited number of them and no over arching story. It's just not as popular.
>>738827616>>738827919Nate is a Chad.
2 and 3 did in fact mog the pokemon games of 3DS and Switch. Not in sales but by being good games
>>738825852nothing. bring the anime back. or maybe the anime is what killed it because of robonyan fisting or whatever
Anime wise it never got the overseas popularity that Pokemon has. And jap audience dries up quickly.Game wise, they acted like activision and guitar hero. Yearly games with bare minimum changes.Pokemon at least gives you something different per game, yo kai watch took 4+games and all they did was give you a very limited combat grid.Fundamentally the games were terrible because of the combat and catching system. Children got bored too quickly and adults hated the qte bullshit.
>>738825852even GF felt threatened by it, considering they made the fucking RotomDex to try and compete with the gay ghost
>>738831462having my first daily wank to this
>>738839662hop off the goat whisper son
>>738839260no she is
>>738839770There's a lot more
>>738839627Latest episodes: low budget, terrible script, Nate being treated like a selfish weirdo, Whisper a proud, arrogant ignoramus and Jibanyan a lazy good-for-nothing.
>>738840092Why does McDonald's girl love McDonald's?
>>738840332I think?
I feel like the big issue is the design philosophy they use to differentiate themselves from Pokémon, and it falls on the opposite end of the spectrum from Digimon. Digimon went out of their way to make every evolution distinct and stand out to the detriment that you can't always tell which original mon that another mon evolved from at a glance, with a core focus on making them look badass to appeal to a more mature audience compared to Pokémon.You-kai Watch, by contrast, seems kinda afraid to deviate much from the base designs, which is why we got so many Jibanyan variants when these slots could have been something more unique. It's more concerned with remaining cute or funny (or both), which doesn't exactly help it gain appeal with older gamers, even if there definitely are some real banger designs in the franchise that do stand out.I like You-kai Watch myself, just as I like Digimon too, but there's a reason why Pokémon has had the longlevity and cultural significance that it did, and that's because of the sweet spot it occupies when it comes to monster design and general tone. The one thing in common between both competitors that I do like is that neither shies away from making humanoid designs for their mons, and that's the big advantage that both of them have over Pokémon in my eyes, you can only get off so much with just Gardevoir to choose from.
>>738826873The Yo-kai are characters, not creatures. It's kind of a given they have a fixed personality since it's about making friends by beating the shit out of each other, rather than getting a pet ala beating the shit out of each other.
>>738840617Never said better
>>738840090Oh yeah, that moment...
>>738840242holy shit, he's friends with GALO SENGEN?
>>738841059You mean Lord Emma?The God of the Yokai world and reason why in the Gacha there's a lot of Genshin impact characters?
>>738826873Devs who want to compete with Pokemon need to focus on the monsters and letting the players connect and interact with them.It's not about the open world gameplay, survival or base building. it's about having a favorite team of monsters and going on a fun down-to-earth adventure in a setting that feels like you're exploring your own local small rural town and travelling to a bigger city over timeLet players pick their favorites so they can feel special about the teams they've builtIf you want to beat Pokemon, focus on letting players be able to beat the game with any ''type'' so they can have similarly colored and typed monsters on their team. Focus on clothing and hair costumization. Basically focus on the player character and the monsters and find ways to personalize them>ability to ride own monsters>partner monster that follows your character>clothing options for the monsters>naming the monsters>team badges or other team oriented apparel>feeding the monsters>bathing the monsters>playing with the monsters>petting your monstersetc. etc.Focus on letting the player connect with your team in ways Pokemon doesn't let you.
>>738840696I love how the make her a S-rank for no reason.
>>738841059Lord Emma
>>738841579Oh right. They also made their own Pokemon GO... but it didn't last long... fuck.
>>738841735https://noroino-pedia.game-info.wiki/d/%b2%d6%bb%d2%a4%b5%a4%f3S
>>738831932every pokemon game worth playing was set in "literally japan"
>>738840617>The Yo-kai are characters, not creatures.Pisses me off when TPCi keeps calling Pokemon "characters" now
>>738832839Smash
