Why is using AI in gamedev bad when It allows new oportunities like making a game with hundreds of npcs with impossible to do levels of rpg dialogs by crafting them manually?Or make a porn game with hundreds of npcs to fugg.
kill yourself cris
>>738825952https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacra_and_Simulation
>>738825952a bad thing according to whom?
It's lazy and the really creative people are too proud to use itI have only used it one time on a whimPasted the error message into chatgpt and asked what was wrong. Expected it to ask for more context but it just immediately intuited what I was using it for based on the name I gave the variable and solved itIt was really impressive for somebody who doesn't know a whole lot
>>738826105>Using blender and a photo camera is lazy because it wasn't drawn by hand
>>738826236if the sum of your goals is "I want an apple" then yeah taking a picture is definitionally lazier than drawing and coloring a sketch of one
>>738825952>>738826018>>738826040>>738826049>>738826105>I hate AI>just not when it's doing the busywork that we could have hired a team of level/environment artists to do - gamer c. 2002 Do you not realize that by playing games like Far Cry 3-5, Oblivion, Cyberpunk, The Witcher 3... any of those 'greats' that you are taking work away from artists who are currently STRUGGLING to find stable employment in the gaming industry right now?Yeah.. kindly rethink your stance on AI and maybe think about that the next time you're basking in the leaves of those artificially placed trees. Fascists.
>>738826105But the really creative people really aren't and probably should use it.
>>738825952Gamers are the first people to see and use AI in video games and yet somehow they've been tricked into being against it.
>>738825952only retards say its bad. every company that actually makes money (10 million in assets or more) uses AI
>>738825952It's not bad, it's just a bunch of no codes that complain
>>738826409buddy if you're driven and passionate about an artform then the freedom that the existing tools give you is always superior to the good enough fillerAI has not made anything good and that is not a coincidence. The kind of people looking for that much of a shortcut are people who wouldn't go deep enough to make something good anyway
>>738826361>kindly
>>738825952Its bad because the "devs" work less and still want to sell for the same price, is the company being lazy and expecting you to pay premiun for it, most of the time the ai stuff they add looks like shit.
>>738825952Hey look at this neat trick
Remove AI RIGHT NOWREMOVE AI FROM GAMESREMOVE NPCSREMOVE PATHINGREMOVE BOTSREMOVE EVERYTHING THAT CONTAINS THE WORDS "AI"YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE AI IN GAMES
>>738826361Typical ai shill nonsense, trying to make people see everything as gen ai so you can weasel in and weaken distinctions.
>>738826531They aren't gonna make anything good anyways. May as well save themselves the time
>>738826593my skin is white than yours, my parents are the same color and my name doesn't end in -desh or -jit like yours.https://www.massivesoftware.com/ (don't tell the Lord of the Rings stans that Peter Jackson had this software suite begin creation specifically for the task of making massive crowds of clashing soldiers all the way back in the 90s)alright my melanated colleague because I don't feel like being catty all dayxgen (disney 2003)terragen (late 90s)cityengine (2001-2002?)you're welcome for addressing you by the way I know you lower caste types don't normally get to speak with lighter skin folks such as myself :)
>>738826531ai tools are already baked in to their programs though. if you used the magic wand selection tool in photoshop, you used aiplus your argument exposes the problem. "existing tools"? perfectly fine. new tools (like ai)? evil and satanic. go back a decade to when those "existing tools" were new and you would have hated them too lol>>738826867how are ai tools different than other computer algorithm tools? using speedtree as an example>boot up ai>prompt it to generate a tree>your computer makes a treevs>install speedtree plugin>prompt it to generate a tree>your computer makes a treei dont get it
>>738826915that's doomerism and not helpfuleven a shit product teaches you how to make a better product next timethe problem with ai is it absolves the user of failurefailure is expected
>>738827026saar meltyi agree with you btw, i just think youre indian
>>738825952It's notOnly trannys hate ai
Why is /v/ like this, I thought we hated this guy?
>>738827048magic wand does something I already wanted to do>select this areait doesn't just make up 100% of what it thinks I want from a paragraph of textthese are not the same thing and you are more than aware of ita chisel helps carveit doesn't just make a statue for youis the product art? sure. did you make it? did you achieve something worthwhile? negative on both accountsthe process of art teaches you what's good about productAI generation doesn't teach you anything or advance your skill
>How come low quality, lazy shit made to mass-produce horrible dogshit is a bad thing?GEE I DON'T FUCKING KNOW.ALMOST LIKE PEOPLE DEMAND QUALITY INSTEAD OF CRAP.
>>738826867>I-IT DOESN'T COUNT B-BECAUSE THE COMPUTER DIDN'T THINK BEFORE DOING ALL THE WORK FOR MElmfao holy shit>naturalmotion/euphoria (why don't the animators hand animate the falls and 'ragdolling' instead of relying on a computer to do all the math for them?)>realflow (can't they just get someone to do all the math for liquid physics?? talk about lazy!)>vue >grasshopper>garmann/MDlike seriously my nigger how lazy are these people? using marvelous designer or your grandpa using garmann to cheat instead of doing the clothes in their movie or game by hand? That's literally money out of artists' pockets>>738827107I'll be called any race for lulz, but Indian, that's legitimately an insult
After seeing how abused shit like open world and procgen gets I simply do not trust devs with anything that allows extreme laziness. Do you really think they will even try to use it well?
watch him/her/it come up with an argument about how it's not REAL AI because it doesn't mean the arbitrary set of definitions xit has now changed for the umpteenth time as xe's neckdeep in the consumption of the very thing xi claims to hate
>>738825952tools that do more legwork themselves directly correlate to lazier devsevery modern game has shit lighting because of this
why do ESLs think they fit in when they babble about trannies
lol it got mad it couldn't come up with an argument, that's funny as fuckcontinue eating out of the asshole of AI and crying about surface level googul image jenerashin and da data senturs, don't forget to retweet this
what is this negro waffling about
>stop fighting it
>>738825952It’s not, AI hysteria mostly comes from deviantart trannies who think AI is going to turn their fursona into an NFT or something. AI isn’t displacing programmers more than India already was
>>738827715don't say tranny you'll set it off again it has a very hurty neovagAIna
>>738827164so you support ai. using ai powered tools still counts as using ai. you used an ai powered magic wand tool instead of manually selecting each pixel yourself>buddy if you're driven and passionate about an artform then the freedom that the existing tools give you is always superior to the good enough fillermeaning this statement was a lie lolnobody thinks prompting chatgpt to make a picture from nothing makes them the next picasso. but plenty of people think using any amount of ai at all makes you the devil. thats dumb. more people should be using ai powered tools to reduce tedious bullshit in art - like manually selecting pixels
you don't fit in here
>these are the type of people defending ai
>>738827902I fail to see how there is a discrepancy in what I saidmagic selection is literal grunt workAI generation of the modern definition could hypothetically be used as such, but it isn't geared for that and is rarely if ever used for what you're describingand it still encourages lazinessif there were a worthwhile art to selection tools then I would suggest learning it before using magic wand. there IS an art to backgrounds and posing and everything that AI replaces. AI is just too powerful in the hands of an irresponsible artist who will never grow when they're tempted by the "do it all" button
>>738827296Why are programmers using a language? just talk to the computer using 0 and 1s, it's more souful that way.
>>738828073you say that like they don't teach you to do that when you learn codingI took 3 years of computer science and we DID learn to do thatbecause it's educational and valuable for higher level language
Every time I've used AI I end up liking maybe 10% of the stuff it outputs. So I'm fine with game developers using it to make stuff, but not with it being implemented in the game. Like say there's a painting on the wall of a house. A developer generating one would be: >Dev uses AI to generates 10 paintings >9 in 10 are shit >Dev picks the best one and adds it, maybe even makes a few tweaks himself >I see a convincing painting when I enter the house>Immersion maintained My PC generating it would be: >I enter the house >PC generates a painting >9/10 chance it's shit >90% chance I see a shit painting on the wall >Immersion broken I'm sure it'll get there eventually but there's a lot of low quality AI slop out there that's not inspiring confidence.
>>738825952the reason things like that (tons of dialogue) are cool is because in days of yore someone had to sit down and write all that dialogue themselves.it had soul and meaning to it. using a retarded robot cheapens that experience.but more than that. video games are art, what is art? art is the expression of a little slice of a human beings or beings. when you make a game or a tv show or a movie or any kind of a work of fiction. you're imprinting a little of your soul and who you are on it. which is the entire point of why we make and consume art. it's an expression of the human condition.having some artificial intelligence robodick who can't think or feel or do anything other than guesswork and crapping out stuff based on an algorithm is insane. it is also insipid and boring.am i going to pretend that there hasn't always been at least some made-by-committee garbage? no. but all AI is going to do is just make more garbage. except even worse garbage because at least the other garbage was made by people who were presumably trying to make a product people would enjoy and not twiki from buck rogers.>>738826236this isn't even remotely the same thing and you know it.
>>738828070Ah you're right, there's going to be way too many Rembrandts and Picassos now so no one can be talented anymore or recognized for their merit in their hobby. Also most 2025-202x art programs are using machine learning in their selection tools like Adobe Sensei or Photoshop.. photo wand is an algorithmic tool, a machine does the work for you, it performs an extremely complex mathematical seed-fill formula to what it identifies as a continuous region of pixels usually via color hex code with newer art programs allowing complex machine-learning assisted tools. A traditionalist would select the portions they wish to isolate by hand, it is clerical work but it prevents the artist from giving more work away to a machine and allows for you to act with deliberate precision versus relying on a clumsy machine to potentially muck it up and get its' mechanical stink on it!
>>738828323if immersion is your goal, wouldn't.. you know, actual paintings made by people be by definition more immersive?
>>738828417Yeah but those are expensive and even more time consuming so I am just going to hire a digital artist to use machine assisted tools and a digital art suite. Yay layer tool!
>>738828408listen retardI don't know if you're auto translating my posts from Afrikaans or what, but you haven't said a word of what I'd consider an actual reply to anything I'm postingI have no fucking idea what you're talking about or what you want me to get out of your postYou are not speaking English to me. I'm not getting anything out of this conversation. This will be the last post we exchange
>>738827985You're as much of a caricature thinking that was a good argument.
>>738825952Moraltard hypocrites are more upset at muh AI than the hordes of retarded brown pedophiles spamming engagement bait here every day
>>738828509>I cannot understand the English language unless it's an AI-generated voice over a 30 second video reel >anyway fuck AI >starts up painttool sai and uses a machine to clean up my lines and select entire portions of the canvas for me
>>738828621i hate them both what now
>>738828417Not if the only artists I can afford to commission suck, and I also suck, or I'm on a time crunch.
>>738828689then learn, nigga.or try your bestif Evil Dead was filmed on the budget of like five dollars and half a ham sandwich and it turned out to be one of the greatest horror movies ever made. then im sure you can make one (1) painting for your video game.and quite frankly if you don't have the patience to draw a fucking painting for your video game you probably shouldn't be making a video game in the first place
>>738828509$10 says this retard played GTA IV and enjoyed it
I'm waiting for the first developer to not give a fuck and genuinely make something amazing with it like what you saidI feel like we went through something similar with the growth of digital art until Toy Story came out and people started taking it seriously
>50 replies>not a single coherent argumentAI wins
>>738825952Posts like these really make me realize some people out there just have no cognitive functions or inner monologue. Crazy work brother
>>738826489Why would I care about that stuff as a consumer I just care if the game is good
>>738825952People are fucking stupid, look at the idiots in this thread conflating data centers with AI in game development. Actual mongoloids.
>>738828417Immersion is all about fooling yourself. Visiting an actual house with a painting in real life is better than doing so in a video game. The video game doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to be good enough so as not to break the illusion and make you "forget" you're playing a video game. If AI can clear that bar, so be it, but if it's just a excuse to cut corners by shitting out some tung tung sahur pixar filter slop then that will break my immersion and I will not buy your game.
>>738825952All the big companies pushing for it have been creating complete trash for decades. It's not a coincidence that most "people" who love and rely on AI also have made nothing of worth.
>>738829242Just ask grok to summarize the posts for you, then they'll be coherent.
AI is on it's way out just like NFT's and crypto shit. Keep on fighting
>>738829536have some gold kind stranger! :-) keep up the fight+upvotes you
>>738825952It's not if you know what you're doing but most people that were introduced to ai don't know how to code so they will get filteredthat hate on ai is artificial and people hate it for no obvious reason
in the end, people won't notice if you coded 1 thing with AI, just as people won't notice if you used AI to fix a drawing or a spriteif you use it strategically it's great, but if you use it to do literally everything at every point, then it's bad.I swear there's going to be a lot of input done by AI in the future, if not done already and people won't notice if the function used to load the storage of an NPC was written by Gemini, ChatGPT or Claude.This is the same thing as using a computer to help you edit photos vs doing it by analog methods, or using a computer to make 3D models instead of making them from clay, there's human and computer input in both of them. Sadly for people, doing more work doesn't mean the work is better.
>>738825952instead of singularity, AI will reach sloppularity. everything will be the same in very very short time (It already kind of is)there will be a bottleneck when internet is 99% AI content and inbreeding of models becomes uncontrollableI don't mind. anything that helps to burn this gay ass clown world down is good in my books.
>>738825952Because all of those hundreds of npcs will have absolutely nothing to actually say
>>738829497no, i prefer the REAL HUMAN experience of reading through a bunch of incomprehensible schizobabble
>>738827697Sounds like bullshit but fuck it i want the slop to die.
>>738828594cry about it
>>738825952We already have soul vs soulless image templates. Do you really want to make the atmosphere in vidya gaems feel even worse?
>>738826593It's astounding how the majority of people posting that pic are actually the ones who don't belong here
>>738830732>4chan is now overrun by people who don't belong here It's over, anon. The meta is no longer what it used to be.
>>738830603>we already have reddit templates
>>738830976>Soul is Reddit>>738830917Yeah, no kidding
>>738831020yes, "soul vs soulless" are peak reddit faggotry
>>738831135Redditors breathe, so that must be Redditor behavior. Go back to your soulless trash.
>>738825952If youre poor and cant afford to pay artists, musicians and whatnot I get it. Some other part of your game better be unique enough to make people trudge through the AI generated content to be worth their time. Otherwise dont be surprised when people call your work slop.For large studios that can afford to pay their employees though, its really lazy and tells me how little your workmanship as a dev or brand as a publisher means to you. If you took pride in the things you do, you would be making sure you made the best possible content for the customer within reason. Not having a random image generator make it for you.
>>738829394Theres literally only one post about data centers before yours dumbass. I wouldnt be surprised if you posted it to false flag others too.
god forbid more gamers actually make games.
>>738828349a tool is just a tool
>>738826361>STRUGGLING to find stable employmentLets increase this struggle.
