How would (You) make Classic+ not shit?
It will be shit no matter what because it's a trooned and DEI'd developer
I don't know and I don't care, the only good thing about vanilla is leveling in the world
>>738830162But leveling sucks thats why everyone sits in dungeons spamming aoe
>>738830275leveling only sucks 1-6, 9-18, 23-28, 32-40, 42-55, and 59-60. other than that its really fun
>>738830275Thanks for reminding me that whatever Blizzard does will be full of gold buying and boost nonsense
>>738829851Its the easiest thing in the world to do. Just make new zones, raids, dungeons, and give each class a few new abilities as they level up. Change NOTHING about the overall gameplay because thats what people like and just add new content.
take normal classicrollback all the fake and gay changes like chronoboon and layeringdisable modsmake streaming a bannable offensegame fixed
>>738829851I don't know how they could make it better/different enough from SoD to make me play it.
>>738829851generals belong on /vg/
>>738830657only applied to ffxiv for some reason
release patch 1.0.0 and go from there on the exact same release schedule as 2004.Then just don't release TBC.
>>738829851By letting twow live
>>738830657And that's not what this thread is, stupid faggot.
>>738829851i don't even know if you canid like more to do while levelling and especially at endgame but theres probably a point you'll reach where theres just too much crap shoved in and how can you even trust blizzard to make good new content that feels like it actually belongs?a lot of the classes and specs could use touching up but how do you trust them not to balance out all of the flavor of the game?
>>738829952Then do a complete server wipe by shutting down all servers and remove everyone. Then restart it completely fresh and ban anything related to those abominations
>>738830790oh so now WoW gets a pass? cutetake to to the WoW general on /vg/
>>738830630>make streaming a bannable offensei would suck over 9000 black dicks for this to come true
The only thing worse than a janny is a wannabe janny. >>738829851>Level cap stays at 60.>New small dungeons at every level range.>New raids>New items aren't more powerful, they just make other specs viable>Ogres for Horde. High elves for Alliance>Horde pallys never. Alliance shaman never.>More zones at every level range.>Restore Male and Female, remove "Body type".>More fish and fishing.>More professions. More crafting recipes.>Multi day long quest chains for crafting mats. Like mooncloth but not boring.>Ban all addons.
>>738831018funny how it doesn't apply when it's spammed in ffxiv threads
>>738829851255 debuff slots on everythingJust wanna ret pally bro1h and shield, no more 2h stuff or at least an option to not use itcrusader strike available at level 10, all specs. crusader strike applies a holy damage weakness debuffshield smite(or zeal) available at level 20, 30/70 damage split for physical/holy damage, does not trigger seals. holy paladins get a talent for it to trigger a seal of light/wisdom combo on targets, can also be ranged for holy paladinsholy shock available to all paladins at level 30. holy paladins get a talent for a heal over time and/or aoe healing. ret paladins get a talent for dot effect. prot paladins get a talent for it to be aoe damagejudgements are lower cooldowns and almost no mana cost and do not consume sealsseal of command is a direct upgrade to rightousness. still does holy damage on each swing with a chance to double attack for all holy damage + swing holy damage. high chance for the paladin to attack twice and chance goes up the longer they go without a proc. in addition having the seal up gives nearby party members a flat 20% chance to double attack as holy damage. judgement is holy damage with no conditional damage and it triggers a 100% chance for a double attack next swingseal of vengeance is a cleave seal with added attack speed, main target gets hit for full all holy damage, second target 80%, 3rd 60%, 4th 40, 5th 20. slowed attack speed of targets hit. judgement deals holy damage to all enemies with the debuff. stops there, vengeance replaces seal of the crusaderbut seriously, i want to dps with a 1h and shield
i guess it's only fair to let wowbucks have a thread considering they die so fast and don't get 600+ posts like the supposed dead game ffxiv
>>738830439>32-40STV with the occasional SM between each group of quests turned inAlso depends on faction, 20-30 is absolute fucking garbage on alliance
>>738831410>Crusader strike adds a holy damage debuffSo what judged seal of the crusader already does
>>738829952get help
>>738831535
>>738830874retard
>>738831604I don't give a fuck if this isn't a retail thread, it's still a WoW thread. If FFXIV belongs on /vg/ then so does WoW.
>>738829851I want them to copy what ff14 did and give healers options to do more damage in team situationssmite healing was fucking amazing before they turned off smart healing, bring that shit backapplying dots as a druid would fucking rock to compliment their HoTs. maybe swarm and moonfire ticking off little heals to nearby allies from the target to push the HoTs even moresomething like shocks empowering heals or using lightning spells gives you stacks of swift like the wind or someshit that speeds up/instant cast with reduced cost heals. totems can get revamped like stoneskin giving off constantly SMALL amounts of absorb each tick, healing stream can be a long cooldown with modest healing over time
>>738831731this
>>738831408The hardest part of World of Warcraft is trying not to talk about XIV
>>738829952Unironically some random fan group has a greater chance of making classic+ good (see private server teams) than Blizzard, look at their track record in the past 10 years, look at the state of retail. If it's not a completely new team or Blizzard itself was completely purged, it will be guaranteed trash.
>>738829851First thing you have to accept is that you cannot be loved by everyone. Classic+ is guaranteed to get shit on by at least 80% of the people who play it because everyone who asks for it wants different things.Now me personally, I would throw out the opinions of the "no changes" crowd. Balance the specs so every class is viable at dps/tank/heal whatever it was trying to be. Make it so racials aren't game warpingly cancer. People who brag about how great the game is for being unbalanced just want to shit on noobs who have no game knowledge. Just because it might have been good in 2005 doesn't mean it's good now. MMOs are optimised and the game design needs to reflect that.Vanilla is already very different and more fun if warrior, priest and mage aren't 50 times better than everything else. But follow up by adding more profession gear, more levelling zones, and more quests. Actually cool quests, not "walk between these two towns". Also make some QOL changes, like shared drops on those "get 10 quillboar hides" quests. Those are fucking aids to do when levelling with a friend.Add reasons to raid the towns of enemy factions so endgame pvp has a purpose. I'm thinking some sort of shared loot drop, maybe a consumable? People should have an incentive to launch major attacks on capitals like orgrimmar and stormwind every week, or even smaller places like the Crossroads or Darkshire. It's some of the most fun you can have in the game and it's all organic, player to player interaction.Finally add an extra raid or two. And make the existing ones more difficult with better loot drop chances. Everyone except the most autistic of freaks is fucking bored of molten core at this point. But don't focus on raiding, just balancing the specs does most of the work there
>>738829851>>738832210>Now me personally, I would throw out the opinions of the "no changes" crowd. Balance the specs so every class is viable at dps/tank/heal whatever it was trying to be. Make it so racials aren't game warpingly cancer. People who brag about how great the game is for being unbalanced just want to shit on noobs who have no game knowledgeThis exists it's called retail
the number one thing i want is for quests to share their drops so that i dont get punished for actually trying to play with people in an mmo
>>738832297>75% of available specs should be completely useless or its retailyou NEED to kill yourself man im not even joking
world of trooncraft
>>738829851i just want tanking to be easy and rewarding. no more stance dancing with warriors, blood and thunder was an awesome perk to havei never understood bear tanking myself so whatever. more 2-3 damage cleaves with easier time to use swipe or.. somethingalso never understood paladin tanking outside of needing a spellpower mainhand weapon
>>738832353>Specs need to be individual classes themselves Nice MoP gameplay retard
>>738832483yeah?whats the point of assassination if its 90% like combat with one or two things shuffled around?we wanted to fix classic
>>738832483the eternal warrior nigger
>>738832671What's the point of having specs if you just choose the 41 point ability every time? Are you retarded?>Hmmmm let's see, build diversity or just pick the same shit every time
>>738832210>throw out the opinions of the "no changes" crowdI mean, you immediately have to do that. You can't make a classic+ without changes.
>>738831731This is not a general
its an impossible task. how do you fix the player base?
>>738832796if its just 5% crit with X at one point a pop just to bridge to a level divisible by 5 talent is a game changer ability from either trainer or the new tier i unlocked with the captivating 1% crit x5?yeah fucking filler.filler talents.dressrosa levels of fuckin fillerso why not axe 'em?
>>738832402literally rent free
>>738830630btw, no real reason to have chronoboon if you just remove world buffs since they're the main problem on why endgame vanilla turned really gay and a brownfest.
>>738830657Sorry Janny I should have started a thread about the circumference of Night Elf assholes with a barely cropped porn image>>738832991Facial ID. Ban everyone under 40 and non-white.
>>738832671Classic is about classes, not specs you quadruple jew
>>738829851Fresh servers obviously. Finish incomplete areas and fill some of the gaps in xp at certain level brackets.Make a serious attempt to bring all specs up to viability, which importantly means NOT nerfing the META specs but making other specs/classes on par, not including gimmick shit like warlock/hunter tanks.Introduce three main end game content farms, the first would raiding starting with what has already been released and then adding in new raids as well as big sweeping quest lines and server events like Scarab lord.Second is a rotating faction war that takes place in cross server instanced versions of zones that works like massive version of Alterac valley with events and actual narrative consequences (sort of like Helldivers 2).Third is a seasonal system like Diablo. Remixed leveling, dungeon bounties, exclusive items, hardcore/ironman, etc.All of these things, outside of progression on the first two, would grant exclusive (but tasteful) cosmetics like titles, mounts, emotes, etc.
>>738833127>Facial IDYou're English, I'll wager
>>738829952>troons are the only issuenah, at least they try to play the game and play it properly even if it's autistic minmaxxing, a lot of you faggot retards are picrel that are annoying AND suck at the game, at least troons are decent
>>738832796There's more build diversity in retail than classic btw
>>738829851By selling the IP to either koreans or chinese
>>738833150I promise I am definitely NOT Keir Starmer.
>>738833060>so why not axe 'em?The entire game is filler you fucking ape nothing is actually necessary maybe think about what levelling a character actually is instead of how you can ruin the game with "efficiency"
So much of what made vanilla so strong was writing and worldbuilding- even if you don't think you cared about the story, the lore was part of what made the world feel so interesting and full of mystery. I don't hate modern Blizz writing, but its very hokey and transient like Genshin Impact or something. I just don't think they could successfully build off of vanilla without ruining it all over again.If they really wanted it to be a whole new core product they'd build off of indefinitely they'd also need to start retconning shit pretty quickly which I'm sure people would be furious about
>>738833197OK but this is about Classic, not retail, so whatever point you think you have is worthless to the discussion.
>>738830275This is just incorrect. In fact the opposite is true, people actively enjoy leveling MORE than dungeon spellcleave which is why so many people were crying that something needed to be done about it. The reason those people cried, and the reason spellcleave was so popular, is because it was the META way to 60 and people are so buckbroken now they feel compelled to compromise their own enjoyment for efficiency.
>>738833197There are no builds in retail, you don't build a character, you choose from call of duty perks when it suits you
>>738829851Remove the mapRemove 99% of questsRemove addonsUninstance dungeons/raids
>>738833226>maybe think about what levelling a character actually isTime wasting chore to pad sub time?
>>738830630Add world buffs getting dispelled when entering a raid or dungeon and this list will be perfect
>>738833248It's not just about what the story was like it was how they presented it. In classic it is very non-obtrusive. The writing is more their to inform the game design. Areas like Duskwood (a gold standard) epitomize it. You can go through the area without reading a single piece of quest text and you'll still feel the writing because of just how heavily it affected the design of the area. That's exactly how MMO writing should be.
>>738829851definitely increase the honor rewards from warsong gulchi just wanna play warsong gulch all day :B o_Oand make it so botters and gold sellers get insta ban.and no gdkp
>>738833315Yeah anon who wants to build a character in an MMO RPG when you could be playing a worse version of Mario party in an instance with 9 other freaks, surely the decline of wow has nothing to do with this
>>738833283Nope retail has tons of builds. You can see them on wowhead
>>738833450No I can't because they don't exist
>>738833398>i just wanna play warsong gulch all day :B o_OIt was so sad playing tbc anni and realizing literally nobody runs any BGs before max level
only have a handful of + changes initially and then expand them over time so it feels like the game is constantly evolving and updating. season of discovery was retail lite, people don't want retail lite they want classic +.
As an oldfag who played back in the day, and only recently dabbled in osrs, I would love WoW to somehow incorporate the cozy skill grinding of osrs integrated in the vast landscape scape of azeroth.Maybe I'm an outlier but leveling outside of dungeons and professions were always my favorite part of the game, raids being my least favorite. Hell every 12 months I still level a character while crafting on some random private server because everything about the game is peak cozy.The small sweaty vocal minority who race to 60 need to fuck off.
>>738833478https://www.wowhead.com/guide/best-hero-talent-builds-all-war-within-classes-raids-mythic-plus-delvesRight here. There are also pvp builds on top of this but they arent included
Beat all parsefags within an inch of their life
>>738833557Explain how this is character building
>Hey guys what do you think about game X?>GAME X!? But what about game Y!?I hate this board.
>>738833632You select which skills your character gains based on the content you're doing
>>738833545Not the only one. I love just grinding. I hate questing. It's fun to just pick a zone and kill everything for a few hours, then move on to a new one.
Wow is a game for fucking faggots made by fucking faggotsDie already
>>738833712Have you tried cookie clicker
>>738829851Remove the economy entirely.
>>738829851jew goblin the fast travel system>waiting for the zepp/boat and flightpath animation is still free>but traveling instantly costs moneynot only pve dungeoneers not wanting to wait but imagine the possibilities in a pvp environmentit would be the ultimate gold sink
>>738832991English quiz and captcha required before logging in, before each dungeon, or before typing anything in chat.
>>738829851Big nerf brownsLeave ret as it isBig buff enhance shaman
>>738833817Cookie Clicker doesn't have random open world pvp.
>>738829851Make it like Turtle Wow
>>738830706>some reasonThat reason being troons.
>>738833943Neither does wow when every server becomes 1 sided
>>738829851Take all of Shenna/Torta's ideas and claim them as my own, then watch the chink-ruskie hybrid try to go to court over it as i get mad dosh
>>738829851more use of fist weapons. base game had like 3 fist weapons total
>>738833959Sucks to suck I guess. Works on my machine.
you should be able to smoke cigars and put them out on peoples heads
>>738834085You know server pop data is public right
>>738829851impossible
>>738834109This is retarded but they need to return /spit
The Gnomes should retake Gnomeregan aleady. God they are fucking pathetic. Actually, just give me the ability to kick a gnome's teeth in instantly killing them. Maybe put it on 2 hr cooldown so I don't get too addicted
>>738830162there's some pretty major gaps in levelling that can be bridged with some new areas. you gotta admit a new 35-45 level range would be nice to help that horrible late STV funnel. late 20s for horde sucks cocks too.
>>738834146Looks fine to me.
>>738834252All dead so definitely no pvp
>>738834312Most people are in TBC. Still balanced enough.
>>738833706That's not character building
>>738833706>>738833283
>>738829851general:>lower XP required to level from 40-60 by 20%>no more battleground rank poopsocking required; it still exists but gear doesnt require max rank to use>no stupid fucking chrono-time-shifting-world-boss buff saver trinket bullshitpaladin:>holy strike from alpha added to the game (instant attack that deals weapon damage +holy damage and adds a stacking debuff that increases holy damage taken on the target, stacks indefinitely)>blessing of sanctuary also causes the target to recover mana each time they're healed, equal to 5% of the incoming heal amount (including overheals)hunter:>deadzone removeddruid:>out of combat no-cooldown resurrection ability addedmage:>chill and slowing effects do not apply to mobs that are gray to the mage. yes, this is entirely to stop boosting>dungeon mobs that are not gray to the mage do not have their diminishing returns reset after a period of time. yes, this is entirely to stop boosting>also boosting just straight up made a bannable offensejob doneits literally that easy
Would be cool to see a vanilla interpretation of Mt. Hyjal and Uldum.
why did incels reject SoD?
>>738831410Im sure they will make paladin OP just like turtle and epoch did.i dunno what the fuck it is with normies and wanting a broken paladin in vanilla.
>>738834720yeah and couple years before that they did another classic whatever that was harder or some shit
>>738829851Make leveling 3x slower with quest content to support it.>b-b-but muh endgame muh raids if I'm not in endgame chasing epics 3 hours after creating a character then game badGo play retail.
>>738834720SoD was them testing out shit for potential Classic+.They recently cease and desisted Turtle WoW, and invited a bunch of Classic streamers to their offices to show them something "cool", which means they are about to announce Classic+Thus, people are discussing it.
>>738834782Everyone likes the power fantasy of a paladin.
>>738834849I have no interest in Paladins, personally. I am a pure heal slut
>>738834627>lower XP required to level from 40-60 by 20%solved by adding more quests in existing hubs and adding more quest hubs in general>no more battleground rank poopsocking required; it still exists but gear doesnt require max rank to usejust make the gear cost marks. the problem with the R14 grind is that once you start you cant stop so the easiest way to satisfy both sides (keep the gear valuable but maintain the effort) is to have it cost the equivalent time in BG marks>no stupid fucking chrono-time-shifting-world-boss buff saver trinket bullshitturn WBs from flat cooldowns to charges that get consumed on application of damage (melee hit, spell hit, dot application) or heal application, this would obviously need a large amount of tuning but generally WBs should last about an hour and a half of raiding. have them persist through death like flasks. keep them dispellable but a dispel would remove 1 charge at a time.>holy strike from alpha added to the game (instant attack that deals weapon damage +holy damage and adds a stacking debuff that increases holy damage taken on the target, stacks indefinitely)no lol. it got removed for a reason. turning ret paladin into a 1 button spam class is not the answer (nor is seal twisting)>chill and slowing effects do not apply to mobs that are gray to the mage. yes, this is entirely to stop boosting>dungeon mobs that are not gray to the mage do not have their diminishing returns reset after a period of time. yes, this is entirely to stop boostingyou can achieve the same thing by just spreading the cc value around like how tbc does blizzard damage e.g. 50% slow across 5 mobs = 10% slow each
I would add a very robust sex framework or just make it final fantasy 14 :D
>>738834929Well you admit to being a bitch, so no shit you have no interest in power fantasy.
>>7388350091. blizzard isnt going to add more quests or actual content, get real2. thats literally what i said3. needlessly complicated4. youre a retard. the reason it was removed was because tigole and furor got in as lead devs and they were assmad at paladins for stomping their candy asses in everquest, so they deliberately set out to make paladin dogshit in wow, and their cancer persisted for over a decade. i will never forgive or forget5. doesnt work because then the booster just does small groups at a time rather than the whole fucking dungeon. yeah it slows them down a little but doesnt actually stop it
>>738834627>>738835009To fix boosing is even simpler than that. If you are in a party with someone more than 5 levels above you, you get 0xp
>>738835169I so have power fantasy though, just my power fantasy is being able to not fight, and keep everyone else alive.
>>738835217thats a really good changebut how do you fix the immediate followup problem where angry boosters go and set up mob tagging services in the overworld? they'd completely ruin the open world out of seethe even if it wasn't economical
>>738834929If theres one good thing about the dogshit retail writing that was actually good the past few expansions, it was Tyrande straight up going gangsta and fucking peoples shit up, namely Sylvanas' shit.Shame they probably forgot they did that.
>>738835598Ban them publicly with no refunds. Make them buy a new sub.All bans should be announced.
Ban warrior
Dance studio + new strafing run dailies
>>738835204>3. needlessly complicatedniggers cry about no boons because it discourages logging in, niggers cry about boons because it means u cant sit on top of the org zepp tower and dispel people. there is an obvious compromise that involves no boons but still allows purging and logging in and its exactly what i described>4. youre a retard. the reason it was removed was because tigole and furor got in as lead devs and they were assmad at paladins for stomping their candy asses in everquest, so they deliberately set out to make paladin dogshit in wow, and their cancer persisted for over a decade. i will never forgive or forgetno it got removed because its boring and stale design not because of EQ grudges lol as evident by thje only fun part of ret being seal twisting which turns the class into a two button combo instead of pressing 1 button and waiting for your mario to white hit>5. doesnt work because then the booster just does small groups at a time rather than the whole fucking dungeon. yeah it slows them down a little but doesnt actually stop itdistributing damage and cc as a baseline, not as a final. you could also add an unccable mob to every pull in particularly egregious dungeons like ZFoff the top of my head kronos adds a single unslowable, rootable etc elite to every zf gravethe idea is to make it annoying for the average booster to do consistently so it discourages them from doing it. a solution that requires no active intervention from GMs but is as close to parity with active intervention itself is always the best solutionan obvious example of this is raid lockouts. blizzard did not want people getting loads of loot super quick so rather than creating a funky roll detection system per boss they just made raid IDs and locked you to the instance
>>738835217why should a level 54 not be allowed to qroup with a level 60 for brd? "more than 5 levels diff = no xp" only works when all dungeons encounters only have a 5 level difference from start to finish otherwise people will be discouraged to group with low level players
>>738836260>>738836260>why should a level 54 not be allowed to qroup with a level 60 for brdNobody is taking 54s to BRD>otherwise people will be discouraged to group with low level playersCorrect. This is the point.
>>7388352175 is way too strict, since some dungeons span groups 10+ levels apart (BRD being the big example).
>>738829851>add flight paths for the Alliance to and from Nejil's Peak and Astranaar to Theramore and otherwise>add zeppelins to and from Kargath for the Horde>do something so you don't have to swim out a mile from the coast of Azshara for Quintessences>change how veins and flowers spawn so bots have a harder time farming>add something in-front of instance portals like a jumping puzzle to stop bots from farming certain dungeons>new leveling dungeons, new pre-raid dungeons, new short-raids, new side-grade-raids>Stone Talon Mountain reworked>Swamp of Sorrows reworked>make it so blacksmithing can be unlearned>ignore the idea that, "mixed classes have to be worst classes," and balance from there
>>738836371>retard on /v/ promoting antisocial mechanics in a massively MULTIPLAYER online game
>>738836412This shithole had an entire general devoted to single player WoW. It's without question the worst of the playerbase
>>738836260>>738836378Boosting isn't an issue past 50 so it can be less restricted, easy.
>>738836380>add flight paths for the Alliance to and from Nejil's Peak and Astranaar to Theramore and otherwisenijels point is already connected to astranaar via stonetalon peak (which has a breadcrumb quest) so this is a nonissuenijels is also just connected to theramore have you even played the game lol?>add zeppelins to and from Kargath for the Hordetrannywow sloppa change. make it a one-way teleport like from booty bay to gnomeregan and maybe>change how veins and flowers spawn so bots have a harder time farmingproject epoch had the idea to have a handful of spawn sets (or just hundreds of spawn locations) for herbs and mining nodes that would get randomly chosen every 24 hours to dissuade bots>add something in-front of instance portals like a jumping puzzle to stop bots from farming certain dungeonslol>new leveling dungeons, new pre-raid dungeons, new short-raids, new side-grade-raids>Stone Talon Mountain reworked>Swamp of Sorrows reworkedis that it? nothing to elaborate with? just... rework stonetalon
here we go again with AI bots writing dissertations of the worst ideas known to man for classic+, bravo blizzard
>>738833545This guy's series "500 kills of X" may interest you:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhhKWfdodcgNothing better than settling in for a 2-4 hour farming session with some snacks and a movie on the 2nd monitor. It's peak comfort.
>Make a dogshit classic + >psyop threads into making it seem like its what the people want>"YOU'VE SPOKEN AND WE HAVE HEARD YOU"
>>738829851>Flesh out underdeveloped areas (like Azshara, Desolace, Feralas, The Arathi Highlands, The Hinterlands, the Stonetalon Mountains, the Alterac Mountains, The Swamp of Sorrows and The Blasted Lands)>Don't just do new raids, add new dungeons as well, especially a line of harder endgame dungeons>None of this modern "AoE down the useless mobs to get to the big bouncy funhouse boss room where you fight the boss by playing minigames." The dungeons and raids should be big and sprawling and the mobs in them should be challenging and engaging, and if that means that there isn't time to design 10 stage boss fights with a billion gimmick mechanics and Mario Party shit that's FINE. Tank 'n' Spank bosses are FINE. I want big, compelling dungeons and raids that are interesting and challenging throughout, not a hyperfocus on the boss fights.>No Good Boy Tokens>Seriously update the professions and integrate them as a fundamental part of progression (and if there needs to be some guaranteed drops to reward players for beating certain content, make it rare crafting ingredients, NOT Good Boy Tokens)>Rebalance the talent trees, but do NOT deviate from the original intention of each tree (ie - don't give everyone a tanking and healing tree)>No new fast travel>No cash shop>No transmog>No level boosting>No "you're the HERO and the CHOSEN ONE and the MAIN CHARACTER OF THIS STORY" crap>No phone game minigames>No cutscenes>No cross-realm bullshit>No mention of the new lore outside of maybe some TBC stuff. Preferably, Classic+ would be an entirely different timeline and reality from Retail.>All new models follow the original aesthetic (meaning the Samwise Didier art direction)>No teleport-to-the-instance LFG tool>No "millennial writing." Meaning the text should take itself seriously and also not be about therapy shit. Go back and read some old Sword and Sorcery like Conan and Elric if you want an idea of how Warcraft should handle its plots and writing.
>>738837276we have data though on what people want. https://wowclassic.plus/survey/results
>>738829851Which are the better private servers currently? I feel like playing again
>>738837325>like AzsharaI would like more quests with the furbolgs in that area. IIRC they were aligned with the timbermaw rep.They also have the Hinterlands Troll/dwarf reps that were installed, had quests, but never finished. The centaur could be expanded upon to.It's stuff I wish they did with SoD, but they didn't do.
>>738830764Spbp Seventh post best postThank you
>>738837335Why did you allow Retail players to respond to the survey?
>>738829851increased experience ratesbuffed raids - significantly more hp and damagefully fleshed out world
>>738837623To ignore their responses
>>738829851turtlewow already perfected it
Bundle it with a time machine that takes the player back to 2005
>>738833951Full of trannies?
>>738831458Lmao20-30 is alrernating Redridge and Duskwood til youve got nothing but reds then heading to Wetlands and 100%ing it. Then back and finish Duskwood. Throw in a single clear each of Stockades, Gnomes and RFK and youre 30.
>>738831515Yes that was how Paladins worked before Tigole & Furor gutted then at the last second purely out of hateful spite from their EQ days. Paladins spent 5 years shackled to spiteful design and to this day are the target of this vestiges hate.
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>>738829851replace the bliztard troons with turtle wow devs
>>738834706New game bad
>>738830630Add ability to respawn near the boss to save time on runbacks after a raid wipe if the raid leader has already cleared the whole thing at least once. I mean that should be in the game to begin with (dunno if refail has it though) but the devs respecting that after 20 years maybe we are not feeling that group energy fomo incentive to sacrifice all social life to do a raid anymore would be nice. I don't want hand me downs to the dadcore "dude 'member barrens? I always dreamed of raiding MC" crowd, just an understanding that for content that in theory should be farm status we would get more time to work on the challenging stuff if we had no impediments to gearing people up for it.If I remember correctly AQ40 runs were the fucking worst, like several minutes riding on your bug every time.
>>738838349>after 20 years maybe we are not feeling that group energy fomo incentive to sacrifice all social life to do a raid anymoreNobody does this. Theres no raid in Classic that cant be cleared in 90 minutes and none of them require anything more than basic knowledge on how to gear your character, two sets of consumes and knowledge of the fights.And 90 minutes is taking your time.
>>738838191it surprises me this isn't common knowledgeTigole and his nepo friends are completely fucking deranged
>>738838583It used to be, but somehow fell out of common knowledge. Its also why Warriors and Mages are so fucking insane in Classic PvE. They were simply designed to be "better".
>>738829851It really is quite simple. Make all the specs viable (look at TBC) and then just add more zones/dungeons/raids/bg's etc. Maybe a profession like jewelcrafting, maybe new races. Turtle did this.My fear for blizzard's classic+ is that they can't help themselves from outrageously powercreeping everything, SoD was already a mess in the first phase regarding this.They have to be strict in not adding more power to player characters, because when you do that, it completely changes the feel of the world.
>>738829952This. Under any circumstance do not let modern izzard do it.
>>738834706Because it went from an ascension wow clone to retail wow in a classic wow skinsuit
>>738838106this
>>738829851The only thing they need to do is make it seasonal. Have a different version of "classic+" happen every few years. Retards who want a "forever server" need to be shot. WoW does NOT work when staying on the same patch or xpac forever.
>>738829851No raids. 5 man content only. Some 10 mans are fine.
>>738839076wut? vanilla is when raids are at their best.
High elves for allianceOgres for hordeMore quests for all the zones especially the 30+ zonesNew zones - HyjalGilneasQuel'thalasNew dungeons - Stonetalon ChasmUldumBarrow DeepsGrim BatolTeldrassilNew Raids - Timbermaw HoldSunwell Darkwhisper GorgeKarazhan
it cannot be made not shit because that fat fuck aggrend is in charge and he is a paladin fag so you know that paladin will be buffed to ridiculous levelsmilking the playerbase for maximum gains is also going to make it so they never permaban for anything because that would lose them a potential income source so gold buying will be rampant and the economy ends up destroyed by botting and boosters
>>738829851I wouldn't, because Classic was always shit and there's no fixing it.
>>738830162No, I hated that shit in 2004, hated it in FFXI in 2003, hated it in EQ in 2000. Getting frozen out of playing meaningfully with your friends for an arbitrary number is the dumbest fucking idea for a social game ever.
>>738829952FPBP
>>738829851Remove /combatlog
>>738834483>>738833283That system has been gone for several years now, it's actaul talent trees again. You should do your research before making yourself look stupid
>>738841058>you should do your research on a game you never intend to playno
>>738829851No one can recreate the magic. It is a known quantity inside and out, everyone knows how to min-max, there’s no sense of wonder, discovery and exploration. Information about the game is far more easily and freely accessible than in 2005. There’s a million add ons to make it even more brain dead. Cross servers and the group finder killed player driven interaction, faction rivalry, and socializing. There will still be WoW tokens.My first step would be retconning everything after vanilla and trying to go from there.
>>738841058fhey overhaul it every few expacs anyway
im going to play it anyway even though its gonna suck
>>738841120Okay then don't fucking talk about it like you know then faggot
>>738834849only browns like that gay shitreal niggas play gnome mage
>>738829851Keep the class """balance""" changes down to a fucking minimum. This means no taunt for paladins (you're a healer, deal with it). I would instead of trying to make heckin meme specs be le viable, beef up the already existing specs a tad and address weaknesses. For example, make Warriors actually tank with a fucking sword and shield instead of the whacky fury/prot bullshit. Shadow Priest would have a little more support utility so you actually want to have 1 (ONE only) in a raid as a mana battery (spriest is already a monster in pvp and any more changes will break them). Shit like that.But knowing shitzzard they'll just make it SoD lite aka human male ret paladin power fantasy funserver like literally every single other classic ploos slop that's ever come before it (lolpoch, troondle, soddywoddy etc)
>>738841520I know it's for faggots and trannies. You can fuck off out of the thread about the good version and join your people.
>>738841640>playing alliance ever
>>738841746Paladins as healers is the dumbest fucking thing imaginable.
>balance changes>new items>make pve less braindead and add new content>rated battlegrounds including AVis all I need
>>738842129Nah, healing has always been part of WoW Paladins' toolkit.The way it worked for all 3 specs in Wrath was ALMOST perfect.
>>738841746>warriornigger demands he continue being the best class with zero competition everLolLmaoShut up and pick up the toothpicks Lil nigga. 2handers belong to Ret.
>>738841746Paladin could be "fixed" with very minor talent changes that would have practically no effect on PvP balanceThe only hard part would be figuring out how to make ele shams worthwhile in raids without buffing their PvP as they are already PvP gods in classic. Druids could be changed by buffing moonkin mana regen by a lot but increasing moonkin transition cost, this would make balance more viable in PvE while not affecting PvP too much because going in and out of moonkin would be too expensive to use in PvP (good balance druids dont use moonkin in pvp anyways)
>>738841746you sound like a colossal incel. lmao
>>738842129Not only is it dumb to make it their main role their actual playstyle as a healer is dumb too, they just have 2 buttons, fast small heal and medium bigger heal and their niche is that they don't run out of mana ever.
>>738842564>hard part would be figuring out how to make ele shams worthwhile in raids without buffing their PvPBuffing their utility and group benefits instead of their damage.
>>738842343Paladin healing is fine.Paladins only worthwhile role being healing is absolutely fucking retarded in every conceptual way. Completely contrary to the entire class in every way. It only happened because Kalgan and his buttfaggots were assmad over hybrids being actually good in EQ.
>>738829851I would make it sub free so 3rd world monkeys would fight with bots.
>>738841746>beef up the already existing specsSo prot paladin. You know, the spec they have a dedicated tree for, on a class commonly associated with being a protector using a shield. Faggot.
>>738842985Nah brownoids are too retarded, see >>738842564
Make a 3rd non aligned faction with races like murlocs, ogres, naga, furbolgs etc.
>>738843163Did you even think about this for more than 10 seconds?
>>738843239If a private server could pull this shit off then so can chinablizz if they actually cared.
>>738829851Fire every single person at Blizzard starting with the board of directors then the CEO + every single jew from finance, medias, government, army, law. This is literally the only way.
>>738839136Does anybody actually think this? Bringing 40 fucking people in to do 1 button rotations in 20 year old content? You want that? You enjoy that?
>>738843539it is for people that can only be #1 through parsing content that you can be the best by simply buying buffs and consumables.
>>738843284Private server doesn't care for the world to make sense. People still discuss to this day that Forsaken or Blood Elves shouldn't have been in The Horde because of this and that lore reason, and you want Furbolgs and Naga to share a general mantle of a faction.
>>738843539you can't even make the argument that they like the raids themselvesbecause SoD had balanced specs, harder fights, better loot tables and each class had an actual rotationand that was deemed 'retail', 'reddit', 'shit'they actually LIKE wasting their fucking time breezing through boring shit everyone has seen beforelike an autistic ritual
>>738830439>59-60just do silithus dailies.
>>738829851I'd force main spec need into looting, delete the accounts of anyone who types gear score and explode the monitors of dps who don't give the tank 5 seconds to get rage and threat.
Remove raids, dungeons and BGs.Every piece of gear is crafted.High-level epic mats are all need to be crafted in several stages (epic metal ingot need to be smelted in some distand fuckoff area, then tempered with epic oil fom alchemist, then enchanted by epic enchanter).Faction territories control through PvP.Forced faction queue.
>>738829851by inventing time travel, never letting Blizzard get sold out and telling them that Outland and flying mounts aint itno other way
>>738843912>explode the monitors of dps who don't give the tank 5 seconds to get rage and threat.?? isn't it enough that they die? they either have to sit there in humiliation and then beg for a rez, or they cause a wipe and then get bitched out by everyone. seems like punishment enough to me
>>738844032>?? isn't it enough that they die?Sometimes they don't die but they still took enough of the healer's mana that the rest of the party has to wait or even wipes from an oom. They don't always feel the consequences of their actions alone.
Death to all corporate bootlickers!
>>738830576And that's what retail does and makes all the money while still changing gameplaya nd making more due to it.
>>738829851I don't think i represent anyone and people would hate my ideas but this is what i would do>add new zones to the overworld>alter the level range of zones creating a different levelling path and different endgame zones>consequently alter the level range of dungeons, which would alter bis gear and the like>add 4th skill tree>add a bunch of high variance rolls on items and item corruptions like PoE>gate levelling so all my friends can't nolife to 60 on day 3>remove MC and Onyxia, add some other shit idk
>>738829952fibby bippy im non-buynary etc
I'm gonna light you up, sweet cheeks!
>>738844438>gate levellingimagine the shitstorm
>>738844502SOD had gated leveling. It was very popular at launch, but most people lost interest after 3 months capped at level 29 running the same dungeon
>>738844592I think the worst part, for me, was all the fucking retarded casuals who played in phase 1 that go around telling people how great phase 1 was and how the game fell off. Every single one of those niggers is a useless retard. I hate them so much.
>>738837325>No cash shopblizzard literally cannot ever be trusted with this and I wish no more than total corporate cleansingit is genuinely better for all of us if classic+ never exists rather than the possibility of it being a thing that's constantly violently raped by current blizzshit
>>738844140As a healer main if I have to heal a dps it means the dps fucked up their threat management. I should only be healing the tank and giving the warlock an occasional renew.
>>738844710have you even played the game? there are plenty of mechanics where you take damage without pulling threat
>>738844729>standing in firekys
>>738844751Never made it past molten core, then? That figures.
>>738833248>writing>world building>mysterySo many larpers pretending they knew what people cared about back then. The writing was shit the second they decided to launch WoW. There's a reason they have to keep going back and rehashing warcraft 3's story, it's because WoW's story is shit in comparison - not like people that actually play the game care about it.
>>738844780I don't raid, I poop in the toilet like a normal person.
>>738839136the raids were horrible and naxx was so badly tuned and required so much out of raid farming for consumables that barely 1000 people played it.I wouldn't mind if classicfags just admit they find non-gameplay reasons the big draw for them, rather than offer fake gameplay reasons.
>>738829851Make it as little as vanilla originally was as possible, because vanilla fucking sucked.>>738829952>tronnedActivision CEO donated to the GOP, they hired townsend as compliance officer, who previously worked in the bush administration and is on record as a torture defender saying torture is a valuable tool to get intel, something that most republicans disagree with these days. They also hired union busting firms to make sure workers don't get uppity over there. Oh and speaking of workers: They fired like 200 of them the same week they announced record ever profits. They also revoked a players winnings and banned him for life the second he spoke out in favour of Hong Kong. AKA: If you actually believe blizzard is woke, because the corpos hire some blue haired trans dykes to be community managers, and put some fucking wizard in a wheelchair for "representation" then you are fucking retarded. A billion dollar company can never, and will never be "woke". They will pretend to be woke so that normies feel good about buying their shit, but the second it's more profitable they're gonna sell SS armor in the WoW shop.
>>738844793It was cool to see Warcraft 3 get fleshed out into a setting, there was writing 'value' in that sense. But overall you are right, no story beat in vanilla is interesting. Shit like Onyxia transforming, nobody really gives a fuck. They have to keep going back to warcraft 3 characters because random hero units that showed up in 1 rts mission have more character and appeal than characters with 5000 questlines in WoW like Chromie.I think it doesn't help that every character in wow looks small and ugly, and player character power levels are too high for grounded storylines
>>738844592>3 monthsThey legit did this? lmao. Blizzards greed is actually crazy level. Keep it like 2-3 weeks tops
There is no good answer here. The audience has "old is good" brain, they should just launch classic+ with a lvl 70 cap and use those SoD raids as the part of the end game raid rotation and be done with it.
>>738844978The cheapest solution would be to just do a path of exile thing where you release classic but it has a league gimmick with some free power
>>738829952its a soulless corporation using claude AI to code retail patches, that still has some passionate people designing the raids and dungeons. Also some of the guys writing the lore, the music people, and the art team have souls.All the gay shit you keep screenshots of is there to tick a checkbox to remind people they aren't stealing milk from bbw mothers in their building.
>>738844978This is what makes me curious. Why are they even doing it? Classictards will shower them with abuse for even trying.
>>738829851By range banning and credit card blocking anyone that's spent money on WoW in the last 5 years. Just like that, the servers are cleaned up and like 4/5 of the LGBT invaders are gone.
>>738845037>affix>borrowed powerYou just triggered a classic player, who probably got ptsd from legion remix.
>>738839709If you dont have alts to play with your friends, you're a bad (and lazy) friend.
>>738845186rather play with troons than pserver jeets desu
>>738845278Who said anything about private servers? I only said to ban and block recent players from the live servers.
>>738845186I finally found my first trans player in WoW in the last 8 years, they are not visible at all, but only to your faggot self who has a folder of them most likely.
>>738845318>seething reddit response>playing consistently for 8 yearsInstantly proving why a 5 year purge and credit card block would improve the demographics of the game.
The classic playerbase fundamentally don't know what they want. They're diehard casuals, but they believe that they are hardcore (and sling insults around to that effect). They hate levelling and PvP - go to any server, you'll see them avoid both activities like the plague - but they spend all their time talking about how much they like it. You can't please people who won't be truthful about what they want. So the optimal classic+ is one with false advertising. Spend a lot of time talking about new classes and new zones and new quests and then don't make any of that shit and focus on raids and raid gear and parsing because that's what 99% of classicfags care about whether they'll admit it or not.
>>738844978There are two main group of players right now:Group A wants the game to get slower, focus on leveling and exploration by introducing new lower level content (zones, quests, crafting paths, social activities, new races and classes to start fresh characters)Group B just wants to "refine" the formula of classic, streamline the experience and fast forward the leveling to reach the endgame treadmill, with new content being just new endgame raids and related stuff. So a glorified retail.
>>738845318Every single player with a female toon is a troon anon
>>738845275And what happens when you want to play that alt but your friend is busy, or when you get busy and your friend keeps playing, or when you don't have enough time to maintain more than one character?
>>738843967my dream alternative time line is instead of flying, we get some GW2 style mounts with some kind of movement mechanic like how the recent expansions of done it. There's a mount where you can do a mid air jump (consumes stamina) that gives you more distance the farther you fall , and it recharges more stamina in the same vein. Something like that wouldn't invalidate the open world, and in fact makes the terrain way more meaningful.
>>738845416lmao>le redditSo I was right. So how many gigabytes is the tranny folder, you classictard faggot?
>>738845489its equally likely they are try hard autists or the new bunch of players that only like login to make sick houses.
>>738842129>>738842405>>738842576>>738843016>t.
>>738841746just fucking delete warrior at this point im tired of these fags, they have got to go. they are a tumour and they will kill the host if we let them grow any longer
>>738842405did you play sod?despite the colossal amount of assblasting seethe from fagadins, warriors were STILL top dps (or at the very least, better than retcucks) and to rub salt in the wound, the ashbringer was better on 2 handed fury than it was for ret
>>738845540Lmao, keep projecting little guy. I wouldn't play WoW classic if blizzard paid ME a subscription. I stopped playing in WoD back in ~2014. Please keep lashing out in impotent rage to defend the gays, though.
>>738845638got another 2 decades of seethe in the tank lil bro?
>>738845613You are not even self-aware enough to realize you are proving everyone right
>>738841746yeah, why play 9 classes, if you can play warrior or priest
Quit it with phasing. It's supposed to be a social MMO, not a lobby simulator.
>warrior>top DPS and tank>priest >top healer>warlock>summon bot>mage>aoe farm bot>paladin, rogue, hunter, shaman, druid>lol lmaoThis is the "good class balance" of vanilla?
>>738844876Developers =/= managementIt’s trooned dei slop evidenced by the content made by blizzard for the last decade
>>738845768
>>738845842as God intended
>>738845885Soul
>>738830275The fantasy is that they make leveling "good". Prevent dungeon spam with lockouts. Design meaningful quests and storylines that all end with a big encounter with cool rewards.In Divinity 2 or BG3 I never got a quest that was just a kill X boars or pick up 10 shitpiles that every WoW quest still adheres to this day. Every quest was meaningful with twists and turns with actual fun encounters most of the time.
>>738845842they are balanced in pvp where it matters
>>738845976brother, 90% of classic players use a literal "follow the arrow" addon that tells you where to go step by step from 1 to 60. No one cares about twists and turns. they only care about getting ahead of others and pretending to be good at the 20 year old video game
>>738846017There is no balance in pvp, the fact that you have to use non class gimmicks to have a chance with some classes proves this.Show me a balanced pvp tourney that restricts all usage of extraneous items. You cannot.
>>738845879Anon, do you know when the content started sucking? Spoiler: it wasn't when they started pandering to DEI wokeshit. It was when Activision acquired them, their sub count dropped a few mil after an all time high, Suddenly expansions came out buggier than ever, WoW tokens made gold selling / buying legal economy be fucked, Blizzard went from the most trusted gaming company in the world to: "Do you guys not have phones?" Trannies and DEI fags, if they are passionate about games, they can make good games. But corporate greed? Fuck once that has hold of your company you're never gonna make anything good again.
>>738845669Warriors seethed because they didn't get any fun abilities
>>738845976Whatever other faults it had, I liked Elder Scrolls Online quests at launch. They definitely put resources into the design and writing.
>>738845976You can't have every quest be interesting when 2/9 classes have permanent invisibility and can skip all filler content to go directly to the quest target. The only solutions are to remove stealth literally (rogue worthless, druid nerfed) or make everything a detector which essentially is the same thing without affecting pvp balance.The meta for leveling will be for non stealth classes to ghostwalk through trash to quest targets if every quest is designed as such.
>>738846157>Show me a balanced pvp tourney that restricts all usage of extraneous items.Like armour?
>>738846123i know but they should do what I said though, so I can laugh at the excuses they put up when they can't just buy a subscription to rested xp and listen to Zogmongold to 60.
>>738846227no you stupid larping faggot who pretends to play the game, engineering, random quest items, potions etc.
>>738829851By putting literally anyone else other than bLIzzARd in charge of developing it.
>>738846280Why are those extraneous and armour is not
>>738846227Bad faith nitpicking.Not that anon, but mages full resetting and drinking to full 3-5 times per high level duel is pretty unbearable. Hoarding a lvl 15 quest reward with a unique effect not intended for use at high level play with 5 uses to win a duel is another example of this.TBC DR and arena consumable restrictions backported to Vanilla would work fine, could even be loosened a bit to allow for certain profession tools and longer CDs.
>>738846157the game is balanced around using extraneous items. why would they not allow them ? It's like saying you can't use items in wc3 . doesn't make sense
>>738845976And how many quests are there in BG3? 100? 200? WoW has to introduce like a thousand every expansion, Vanilla started with 1500 or so and it wasn't nearly enough, some zones were almost completely empty of quests. Obviously many of them will be fluff, their main objective is to move you to the next area of interest.
>>738846501Their main objective is to waste your time and addict the mentally fucked so that Blizzard gets more subscription money.
>>738846471You're just a retard. Go look up the definition of "class balance" and remember that the argument was that class balance was great in classic.
>>738846693Their main objective is to level you up because you want to level up. All games are a waste of time. You played 200 hours of BG3, you wasted 200 hours of your time.
>>738846381Shut the fuck up about things nobody cares about you dumb retard>Buhuhuhuhuhu you can't play like this you're having too much fun
>>738846987Wish there was a hardcore PvP server
>>738847028>hardcore PvP serveri don't think someone can poopsock hard enough for this
>>738847101>Die the second you step into contested territory Would be hilarious
>>738846885No.
>>738847028>players forming blockades and kill-walls around contested territory boundariestook ya long to think about it
>>738846175>the human male ret paladin power fantasy funserver fucked over warriors>turns out their fantasy is just not being upstaged but the superior classWarriors were right to complain about this lel
>>738846954Found the blue boy.Glug glug.
>>738846501288. It doesn't matter though, because one good quest outweighs a thousand shitty filler quests.
>>738829851Make warriors pay the hybrid tax. I want browns at the bottom of the meter with the retardins, shamemes, and furfags.
>>738847538
>>738847617No, they stole my daggers.
>>738847653
>>738847695This perdition blade was promised to me 3 gorillions years ago and yet a muddy dirty brownoid stole it right under my nose.Total brown nerf.
>>738831018>>738839391>alliance high elvesIt's been 20 years you obsessed AGP trannies.
>>738829851>How would (You) make Classic+ not shit?If you want to make the game people wanted to play back then, you have to hire or use as consultants the people who made the game back then. :^)
>>738848832you already have that game. you need a game that people would like to play now
>>738832210Just play retail retard
Don't make me play on the same dogshit servers as the streamers you pea brains. The fans who flock to those servers are so awful it ruins the entire experience.
https://old.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1tc6b6p/classic_era_ban_wave/Why would anyone play on cuck+? You'll just get banned anyway by faggots abusing mass reports
>>738849847just don't say slurs retard it's that easy
>>738848832The current game is way more popular than shitnilla though?
>>738848832Made for BWC
Classic+ needs to be a game for casuals. Actual casuals, not whales, not trannies, not achievementgrinders.
>>738850167casuals can fuck off to retoilet
>>738850197The whole point is that casuals don't play retail
>>738850264but they dowho do think blizzard keeps releasing dogshit reskinned mounts for?
>>738850304Trannies
>>738850304For the whales, who are not casuals. Call them normies instead of casuals if you prefer, I am talking about the milions of players who played until wotlk before leaving.
>>738848884The general design philosophy doesn't change, so saying that the game already exists means you didn't understand the post you were replying to. Classic+, if it is anything, is just a continuation of vanilla wow if the people who worked on it never got booted out. You don't shit out welfare epics, you don't fuck with the economy(you kill gold sellers on sight), you don't make 5 version of the same sword, you throw 2-3 legendary items only the big guilds can make and you don't fuck with the server communities, meaning you close servers down if players leave and merge them with bigger servers. You don't make pvp content for sandpit fucking autists because that rapes class design, and you don't make each class do the same shit but with different colored spells coming out of their asses. Server economy, class design, world quests, soundtrack, professions, you try to keep the same or on the same level. You can add class quests for gear or mounts but you don't add transmog nor cash shop skins. You don't give shamans to the alliance, you create new classes for each factions and if you create new races, you make them fit the lore, because you want to continue the vanilla world building, you're not making an instanced lfg queue game like retail. I didn't play turtlewow because i never played any pirate wow servers out of fear for wasting years whenever the inevitable C&D letter came but i hear they had some ideas that weren't totally retarded. So go to those guys and ask them for some tips&tricks if you don't know what to do, pay them under the table. All you have to do is compare and contrast because they probably weren't too far off the mark. It all depends on what you want to make and whether it aligns with what the actual audience wants.>>738850001>The current game is way more popularIf that were true, they wouldn't bother with classic+ and turtle wow/nostalrius/etc wouldn't have existed but you already knew that, you're just pretending to be retarded.
>>738834627>Nooo stop soloing things!Tourist take
>>738829851Add some new stuff and actually emphasize war, make contested territories actually contested and stuff like that.IE: Horde in Hillsbrad can actually take over Southshore and the town will reflect that, it would be up to the Alliance to take it back, same goes for the Alliance taking the Crossroads in the Barrens.When a faction leader is killed they won't respawn for a week and it will add a buff/debuff to your faction.Also focus on adding early-to-mid game content, I'm tired of the focus on late game, I played retail because some buddies were and man, that game is literally "Hey speedrun to cap so you can get to the raids."Like, you have no fucking motivation or reason to play anything else, and that's a big fucking problem.I'd also make the dungeon finder a thing however, you still have to actually run to the dungeon, or get summoned.
>>738829851expand vanilla with what was left unfinished. azshara battleground, all those portals in winterspring or other places that were supposed to be dungeons or raids etc
>>738834360>300k+ raiders in tbcwhat the
>>738850167It's already a game for casuals
>>738851435Itemization: You have to go back and look at gear design stats wise: there were items that didn't give stamina or agi or any main stat, they had only a proc and that was good enough. Character stats can be and should be influenced by other stats than just main class stats, so for example agility might give mages dodge or reduce their spellcasting time. Strength might give rogues more damage/parry or increase their energy recharge while agi just gives them more crit. Warriors could gain damage reduction from stamina and more crit from intellect, etc. Itemization is the core treadmill of classic, not dailies or grinding or pvp, and gear matters much more because of that as a core motivator. The same items can be used by more classes, which creates competition and leads to guilds forming due to reciprocation and trust, which builds communities in the long run. So go nuts with the itemization but you can't make it a diablo tier crazy town of random stats, it's just not that type of game. So you could have cloth rare bracers with +3 agi + 5 int + 2 sta and multiple classes would be interested because all of them could gain even though really they're mage or warlock bracers.The hardest thing to pull off would be creating new armors and weapons because of the visual congruence needed to pull it off. Vanilla gear had a unique look which was still warcraft3 inspired while not being totally insane like tentacles coming out of your ears or swords that look like mobile game epics.Progression in vanilla is more like a participation trophy for being able to be there and make friends while not being totally retarded or uncaring about other people's time instead of a skillcheck, because that creates toxicity due to gearscores and achievements. You can hire and fire people based on skills irl because you have to put out a product on time but you can't do that in a video game. You cannot make a mmorpg based on elitism, because elites are rare and snobby.
>>738853512Evidently not, considered they don't play it
>>738830745The thing they need to do is make TBC a separate server and make it optional to transfer your level 60 on a one way trip to it.
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>>738829851steal from turtle wow
>>738856057>Cash shop items and half baked mechanicsLol
>>738856236they dont need to steal that, they do that just fine on their own.
>>738851435Its objectively true that retail is way more popularTroontle and classic servers have miniscule populations
>>738857212most of retail is soccer moms that play solo and might as well not exist
>>738830576Can't be done item wise. Warriors are hitting hecking crit caps with Naxx gear. You literally can't make better gear that would feel meaningful.
>>738834627Why would I play this? This is just fresh with changes to things that don't matter at end game
>>738829952/thread
>>738829851you can't. players, devs, and the overall environment of the internet are not the same as it was 22 years ago. the biggest part of what made WoW fun is gone or greatly tarnished. I'm not sure there is anything the devs can do to make an MMO not shit when most players want to play a single player grindfest and actively ignore 95% of the game.
>>738829851ban everyone playing it
>>738829851Remove layeringRemove streamersGive back my hair lineShrink my waist sizeFix my knees Allow Blizzard employees sexually harass their female slave coders againBring back the Blizzcon Cosby suite Remove all the furry races except Taurens (they're chill players)Remove alphabet retards that needs a colorful flag to be represented Give Sylvanas and Tyrande massive lactating mommy milkersUpdate the Atiesh model so its not corn on a cobGive transmog Give housing Give High Elves New zonesNew raidsAllow warlock tanks
>>738857556Most of classic are washed gamer dads buying gold twice a weekRetail is still, objectively, more popular
>>738829952fpbp
>>738831578Is this not attractive to you?
>>738829851Just play retail lol
>>738857045Retail WoW only had one pay to win item in the cash shop and it was the auction house mount. Turtle had basic mechanics as 20 dollar "donation" rewards
>>738832008>HasDid. They shut down Turtle WoW and it was better than anything Blizzard could make
>>738844592what happened july 2024?
>>738860148Can you show me any content in turtle that compares to L'ura?
>>738860196Phase 3 of SOD was incredibly bad and made people quit in droves. In an attempt to salvage the mode, blizzard delayed the release of phase 4 (50-60 + molten core) to add more to it. This made phase 4 quite good, but...that last part of phase 3, extended even beyond its normal lifespan, was fucking dire. Nobody wanted to play.
>>738860148Shenna you should be hiding from the Ukrainian soldiers and not posting here
overworld filled with AI bots that will accept invites automatically and dungeon with me whenever I want like in erenshor with the option of going to a shard with real players only, but freely interchangeablenothing like playing in the middle of the night with nobody interested in dungeoning
>>738846160we should definitely 100% hang all trannies but we have government tools like the FTC to fight monopolies.
there's no fixing classicfor all intents and purposes MMOs are essentially outdated gachasit is a raidlog simulator, where you login once a week to roll the dice to see if you get the piece of loot you wantedall the faggots that still play it only care about their numbers going upif the numbers in the raid don't go up, there's no purpose for them to do it
>>738861329raiding is such a shit end game
>>738846160>Suddenly expansions came out buggier than everNope, vanilla had entire servers crash regularly>WoW tokens made gold selling / buying legal economy be fucked,This was years after Activision> "Do you guys not have phones?"Over a decade after ActivisionThe content never started sucking at all. You cant seriously compare Molten Core and any modern raid and pretend like Molten Core isnt magnitudes worse
>>738861637that's why single player rpgs with optical coop experiences are infinitely better>>738861834all classic raids are boring. I don't know how people run them for years over and over
>>738846160It's true. All of it... It's true. Corporate greed demands max profit. So it can't be a mainstream niche. It HAS to appeal to everyone even the troons.Not even a historical medieval RPG can escape corporate greed. KCD2 needs to be gay and black now.
>>738862078naxx40 and kara are the best so raids peaked in 2006
>>738829851Season of Discovery 2Ranged RoguesMage TanksHealing HuntersPriest pets
>>738862350most things are alright once for an experiencebut when everything dies sub 2 minutes is not interesting
>>738862350Name a single good fight in either of those raids
>>738829851MAKE A NEW GAME WITH NEW THINGS THAT GAMERS HAVENT EXPERIENCED BEFORE. FUCK THIS BOOMERSLOP.
>>738859313>Give Sylvanas and Tyrande massive lactating mommy milkers
>>738859313SEXO
>>738838191I think Vanilla WoW might be the only game in existence where the paladin class is a primary healer that's useless at tanking and damage.In literally every other game, paladins are either supportive magical tanks (most commonly) or "smiters of evil" (less commonly) with some crappy side healing abilities.
Playing both Classic and OSRS effectively blackpilled me on the idea of Classic+.1.) WoW's player base is its own worst enemy, as the relatively recent, unofficial Classic+ survey suggested. J. Allen Brack was accidentally right when he said, "You think you do, but you don't," just not in the way he intended. WoW players want the features that killed WoW, and so OSRS's method of polling changes with a 70% threshold is incompatible with Classic+.2.) This leaves approach #2, which is Classic+ being defined by the developer, with a coherent vision of what it ought to be. The issue: it's fucking Blizzard. Just listen to Jeff Kaplan's recent interview about Blizzard and you'll understand how fundamentally fucked the company is. Not only are none of the people who made WoW what it was at Blizzard anymore, even WoW's original success was premised upon taking risks that the developers didn't necessarily believe in; the faction split, for example, was the pet idea of a lead who left Blizzard mid-development, and it was a huge stroke of humility and genius that the people who inherited his position decided to respect the idea.1/2 I guess
>>7388703953.) WoW's core design philosophy is just incredibly flawed and dated. The more you play OSRS, the more you understand that the Gowers accidentally created an elegant machine that just needed a little oiling and a lot of maintenance to run well in perpetuity. The core design concepts are very simple, but that simplicity is a strength. Everything interlocks very elegantly, which makes the world feel more alive and relevant than the things that theme park MMOs tend to focus on. The more I've played WoW (20 years at this point), the more I come to hate how it's designed. Content is instantly irrelevant, all content is functionally identical, entire mechanics are functionally identical no matter what you're doing (combat, professions), the whole game is just a treadmill of grey gruel that arbitrarily stops as soon as you hit max level so that you're forced to pay a subscription fee while waiting for the privilege to gamble on daily / weekly lockouts. The game fundamentally feels better to play than OSRS because WASD and mashing keys is more intuitive than playing the weird clicking rhythm game, but the underlying content is so homogeneous and boring - except for PvP.Blizzard is just in this awful position where they have to simultaneously exercise strong creative autonomy that they no longer have the talent for while gratifying the base instincts of a literal horde of retards who don't even know what they want. I have no fucking idea how you pull off Classic+ in this context.
>>738844592I actually fell out of it because they started pushing the phases too fast. I fell behind and missed one of the "endgame" phases and lost interest.
>>738870395lol
>>738870449Very good analysis. They definitely will either make a new treadmill having learned nothing from their last 2 decades or- yeah, they're going to do that. That's Blizzard. It's a quick and fast buck.
>>738873535Treadmill is the literal definition of runescape retard
>How would you make classic PLUS not shit>One minor change to a single classAre people just retarded?
>>738829851KILL LAYERING AT ANY COST.IT'S THE DUMBEST FUCKING MECHANIC AND THE ANTITHESIS OF AN MMO.I DON'T CARE ABOUT MUH SPAWNS. MAKE THEM DYNAMIC INSTEAD YOU FUCKS.Also kill bots and the most broken gold(mage) farms to save the economy, I guess. BUT FUCK LAYERS ESPECIALLY
Just do this.
>>738845465It's honestly worse than you described. I really hate the faux-tryhard attitude of these wowfags. I have no problem with players who genuinely enjoy tryharding in raids or BGs, but there are "players" who pay other people to play the game for them. And don't even get me started on the faggots who deliberately join a PvP server but piss and moan when they get ganked collecting bear assholes.I could not tell you what these cretins even get out of the game, pretending they played it for clout? Who gives a shit if you played wow?
>>738878815I fucking LOVE classic WoW!>joins pvp server>dungeon boosts to 60>spends 8 hours in a city spamming lfg in trade for raids>spends 1 hour raiding>HKs: 0So epic man. For me? I don't really give a shit about end-game. I like leveling in classic. I like getting angry that some rogue ganks me. I love getting my own back and killing them back. I love joining groups with random weirdos to do dungeons. Once I hit 60, I start a new character. I know people like to play the game differently and get enjoyment in different ways, but some people are just objectively wrong and should go back to retail.
>>738879314>For me? I don't really give a shit about end-game. I like leveling in classic. I like getting angry that some rogue ganks me. I love getting my own back and killing them back. I love joining groups with random weirdos to do dungeons. My first time playing WoW (or any mmo) was classic, and those are exactly ehat I loved about it. I espescially loved the brief period where world pvp was the only pvp available and some areas devolved into warzones. It go so crazy at one point the server kicled everyone out and it vecame a race to see which side could login again first.But the end game stuff was horrid. I realized then that many other players just did not enjoy the game, and they definitely weren't good at it despite their obsession with minmaxing. The raids were torture with these people, but BGs were even worse, I learned that it's apparently normal for teams to avoid eachother and speedrun the objectives?
